Roe Norman and Bryson deChambeau start takeoff with the lower part of both hands beneath the grip controlled by the ulna bone, not the thumbs & index fingers at the upper side of the grip controlled by the radius bone. Shoulder rotation is only used to reach the expected relative position of both hands, not for generating of power. The part above the chest should be kept passive and act as the counter weight related to the forward moving of mid and lower body. That's the reason why the shoulders/neck/head are rolled backward toward the trailing leg before impact.
Just popped by to say thank you to Graves golf. Back in 2016 I suffered a herniated disc and my golf future looked really bleak.I watched the single plane swing on YT for hours. In 2017 I purchased one of your first videos and embraced the concept. First couple times out I jammed my forearm so badly I was purple for a week. I purchased the swing aid and learned the grip. I hit thousands of balls at the driving range and gradually saw my game and driver come to life. Now, I don't even need a full backswing and there's no twisting of my back and I still can hit a ball 220 yards straight down the middle of the fairway...far enough for an old guy. My playing partners are amazed at the accuracy and distance I've achieved in such a short time. My scoring reflects my progress. Went from the high 90s to the very low 80s in a little over a year. Anyone with back issues or if you just want to play a better round embrace the concept and watch your game improve. Thank you Todd and thank you Moe.
Kevin that's awesome! Glad you're experiencing Single Plane success and more enjoyment with the game. Keep us updated on your progress (gold@gravesgolf.com) and hopefully we can get you into our Hall of Fame! moenormangolf.com/hall-of-fame/
The easiest way I describe the single-plane swing is the setup starts at the impact (locked lead arm) position and then I move the club back away from the ball, set, then begin the backswing. I used to tell people who ask for help to watch a robot swing. The single-plane method simply nails this concept. Keeping it simple and removing all unnecessary moving parts is the same methodology I use when teaching people how to fire a rifle from my sniper training in the Marine Corps. Although its difficult to change a life-long learned swing, it's exciting to master this method. Great stuff Todd - keep up the good work!
Another great explanation of Moe's single plane swing by Todd. My old swing was mainly all hips till I clicked onto Moe/Todd's video's which is a complete opposite in what others confessional swings were telling me what too do - So thanks again Todd for your guidance in showing even old golfers like me in how we are still at school and we can still learn and improve in this game we all love! Cheers Todd!
Absolutely amazing data for the single plane swing: 1. Spine tilt from address to impact only changed 3 degrees!! 2. Pelvis lift from address to impact was less than 1 inch!! 3. Trail arm rotation from address to impact was less than 1 degree!! (Talk about jack hammer) This proves beyond any doubt, that the single plane swing GREATLY reduces variants or deviations, and DRAMATICALLY increases repeatable consistency! I can attest to these results from my latest range session, where I hit 90 golf balls. Only 2 balls were sliced, only 1 was missed entirely. Out of the 30 drives I hit, the tee NEVER broke, and nearly every shot was straight as an arrow with very consistent and repeatable carry yardage. My 7 iron repeatably went straight about 160 yards nearly every time. Out 90 balls, maybe 15 were hit fat, and nearly all of them were at the end of the bucket when I started getting tired. Once I learned wrist lag, the single plane swing came alive, I'll never go back to a 2 plane swing!!
John, I must say I agree with you 100%. I'm still working on it, but I am one of the converted. I can swing 3/4 with this swing and the ball goes just as far. I have not felt contact like this in 5 years. I know it's because of lag. I have a friend who just went out west, so I made him two videos just for fun, and I put them on youtube. He loves them. I paused one of the videos at 1:14 when I am hitting this baby 7-iron, and the lag and bend of the club really surprised me. I'm still working on it, but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I hit the ball way better with this swing.
I do like the in depth technical explanation given in this video. It's a further breakdown of what you show us in all your UA-cam videos. This swing is so logical, and once you understand it and execute it correctly, It works so well!!
Chain of command in martial arts for maximum power- mind, hip,elbow, hand. Transferring the body’s mass into the weapon Newton’s 2nd law F=MxA Loving the videos. Really enjoyed you playing those four holes this week. Thank you for the content.
Amazing detail of sequence for the one plane swing Todd..Infact, while watching the graph I could remember and visualise one of your previous vlogs where you demonstrate exactly what you are talking about today..So thankyou for your input. I can see you are totally dedicated in trying to explain the one plane swing so that we can experience this unique swing.
bummed i missed the webinar! UA-cam sucks as of august 13th, they've taken away our ability to be Notified by email, whenever Live streams happen or new videos are uploaded by channels we're subscribed to!
I’m very interested in trying this method. I especially like the way you set up to the ball as you will be at impact. What I’m not sure about and don’t necessarily agree with is the flat trail foot at impact. It looks like you are hanging back. In every athletic motion I’m aware of, that involves throwing a ball or swinging an object, there is a weight transfer into the lead leg. Look at a pitcher throw a ball. He is not flat footed. Your thoughts on this?
I tried this today at the range, it felt very awkward compared to what I normally do, I got one good straight shot with driver but nearly every other shot I seemed to top and it went straight along the floor, obviously not as simple as it looks, will try a few more times see if it becomes less strange
Looks like Bryson isn't restricting his lower body like Todd teaches. I think something might break at the kind of rotational speed he is producing. Also, his grip has gotten super weak with both V's pointing left of his face, possibly to eliminate a big hook? Interesting stuff.
I don't know. Looks pretty restricted to me. His right heel stays pretty low to the ground. ESPECIALLY when you compare it to Justin Thomas, but he's problem the extreme on tour. photos.app.goo.gl/4THuN4SK38uzQJc6A photos.app.goo.gl/XfFEQjQAigxr8Fh66 photos.app.goo.gl/dcf9vQrDcjf5yHQB7
Exactly right. The Moe swing being taught keeps the right heel planted through impact and the left knee bent. This restricts hip turn and swing speed. Seems that it could lead to injury as well.Best to copy Bryson than Moe. Bryson has 6 wins on the PGA tour while Moe never had any.
It's not completely true to suggest that the "single plane" swing is a powerful swing now because of Bryson DeChambeau. Keep in mind, Bryson has bulked up 3x bigger than he was 2 years ago and he is 5x stronger. Kinda fascinated to see how you have latched onto Bryson's success to prove Moe Norman's swing aka Natural Golf. Nowhere does Bryson talk about Moe Norman's swing and the reasons why he employs the single plain golf swing. It has nothing to do with Moe Norman. He takes a Scientific approach to golf, and throughout the years he figured out the "single plain" worked best for him. I don't think he ever knew anything about Moe Norman's "natural golf swing", nor who he was for that matter. If anything, Bryson has combined the "standard golf swing" with the "natural golf swing" and made it work for him. You can't take Bryson's swing and call it Natural Golf. He doesn't have a very wide stance. He doesn't stand very far from the ball. He doesn't have a five finger grip. Nor are his legs completely straight at address.
I find it unlikely BDC is unaware of Moe Norman. Regardless, the analysis here really misses the secret which explains his swing, Moe's, and many others. The computer guy doesn't know it, although his graphs are accurate no doubt. If you understand the secret you should be able to hit the ball well emulating (for example) the swings of such seemingly disparate golfers as Mac O'grady, Hogan, Palmer, etc. etc as well as Moe and BDC.
Bryson DeChambeau ABSOLUTELY knows about Moe Norman (as well as Graves Golf). DeChambeau quoted in a Golf Digest article, "Look at Moe Norman. Why was he able to hit it dead straight every time? It wasn't that he was thinking about everything. More like he was thinking about nothing-his mind was on automatic. He found his baseline, then let himself be an artist, not a machine. That's the ultimate triumph in golf." www.golfdigest.com/story/the-zealot-bryson-dechambeau Moe has been well-known and admired by PGA Tour Pros for decades despite not being well-known among the general public (especially in the U.S.) Many of the greats throughout the years have praised Moe Norman and gathered around to watch him hit balls on driving ranges at many PGA tournaments. Also, there really isn't a secret to it at all. As Moe told Todd Graves when asked how he mastered his Single Plane Swing, Moe said, "Hard work. You can't buy it." There are tons of detailed instruction beyond UA-cam that Todd & Tim Graves and Graves Golf provide having learned the swing directly from Moe in 10-years of mentorship and personal friendships
One of the biggest myths is BdC is longer than Champ/Finau and others who swing easier and are longer than him lol And they didnt turn themselves into an unhealthy blob.
Invaluable analysis. While watching the part about kinematic sequence, I compared the model (and Chandler's swing) to my own most recent V1 submission for critique. Boy, are my hands ever releasing MUCH too soon. Trail arm is straightening too soon as well. Back to the drawing board as they say. p.s. STILL NO BACK PAIN nor ice and pills either (and I played 27 holes yesterday)!
Roe Norman and Bryson deChambeau start takeoff with the lower part of both hands beneath the grip controlled by the ulna bone, not the thumbs & index fingers at the upper side of the grip controlled by the radius bone.
Shoulder rotation is only used to reach the expected relative position of both hands, not for generating of power.
The part above the chest should be kept passive and act as the counter weight related to the forward moving of mid and lower body. That's the reason why the shoulders/neck/head are rolled backward toward the trailing leg before impact.
Just popped by to say thank you to Graves golf. Back in 2016 I suffered a herniated disc and my golf future looked really bleak.I watched the single plane swing on YT for hours. In 2017 I purchased one of your first videos and embraced the concept. First couple times out I jammed my forearm so badly I was purple for a week. I purchased the swing aid and learned the grip. I hit thousands of balls at the driving range and gradually saw my game and driver come to life. Now, I don't even need a full backswing and there's no twisting of my back and I still can hit a ball 220 yards straight down the middle of the fairway...far enough for an old guy. My playing partners are amazed at the accuracy and distance I've achieved in such a short time. My scoring reflects my progress. Went from the high 90s to the very low 80s in a little over a year. Anyone with back issues or if you just want to play a better round embrace the concept and watch your game improve. Thank you Todd and thank you Moe.
Kevin that's awesome! Glad you're experiencing Single Plane success and more enjoyment with the game. Keep us updated on your progress (gold@gravesgolf.com) and hopefully we can get you into our Hall of Fame! moenormangolf.com/hall-of-fame/
The easiest way I describe the single-plane swing is the setup starts at the impact (locked lead arm) position and then I move the club back away from the ball, set, then begin the backswing. I used to tell people who ask for help to watch a robot swing. The single-plane method simply nails this concept. Keeping it simple and removing all unnecessary moving parts is the same methodology I use when teaching people how to fire a rifle from my sniper training in the Marine Corps. Although its difficult to change a life-long learned swing, it's exciting to master this method. Great stuff Todd - keep up the good work!
Another great explanation of Moe's single plane swing by Todd. My old swing was mainly all hips till I clicked onto Moe/Todd's video's which is a complete opposite in what others confessional swings were telling me what too do - So thanks again Todd for your guidance in showing even old golfers like me in how we are still at school and we can still learn and improve in this game we all love! Cheers Todd!
Absolutely amazing data for the single plane swing:
1. Spine tilt from address to impact only changed 3 degrees!!
2. Pelvis lift from address to impact was less than 1 inch!!
3. Trail arm rotation from address to impact was less than 1 degree!! (Talk about jack hammer)
This proves beyond any doubt, that the single plane swing GREATLY reduces variants or deviations, and DRAMATICALLY increases repeatable consistency! I can attest to these results from my latest range session, where I hit 90 golf balls. Only 2 balls were sliced, only 1 was missed entirely. Out of the 30 drives I hit, the tee NEVER broke, and nearly every shot was straight as an arrow with very consistent and repeatable carry yardage. My 7 iron repeatably went straight about 160 yards nearly every time. Out 90 balls, maybe 15 were hit fat, and nearly all of them were at the end of the bucket when I started getting tired. Once I learned wrist lag, the single plane swing came alive, I'll never go back to a 2 plane swing!!
John, I must say I agree with you 100%. I'm still working on it, but I am one of the converted. I can swing 3/4 with this swing and the ball goes just as far. I have not felt contact like this in 5 years. I know it's because of lag. I have a friend who just went out west, so I made him two videos just for fun, and I put them on youtube. He loves them. I paused one of the videos at 1:14 when I am hitting this baby 7-iron, and the lag and bend of the club really surprised me. I'm still working on it, but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I hit the ball way better with this swing.
I do like the in depth technical explanation given in this video. It's a further breakdown of what you show us in all your UA-cam videos. This swing is so logical, and once you understand it and execute it correctly, It works so well!!
Chain of command in martial arts for maximum power- mind, hip,elbow, hand.
Transferring the body’s mass into the weapon
Newton’s 2nd law F=MxA
Loving the videos. Really enjoyed you playing those four holes this week. Thank you for the content.
Great video and explanation of single plane swing!👍
Amazing detail of sequence for the one plane swing Todd..Infact, while watching the graph I could remember and visualise one of your previous vlogs where you demonstrate exactly what you are talking about today..So thankyou for your input. I can see you are totally dedicated in trying to explain the one plane swing so that we can experience this unique swing.
bummed i missed the webinar! UA-cam sucks as of august 13th, they've taken away our ability to be Notified by email, whenever Live streams happen or new videos are uploaded by channels we're subscribed to!
I’m very interested in trying this method. I especially like the way you set up to the ball as you will be at impact. What I’m not sure about and don’t necessarily agree with is the flat trail foot at impact. It looks like you are hanging back. In every athletic motion I’m aware of, that involves throwing a ball or swinging an object, there is a weight transfer into the lead leg. Look at a pitcher throw a ball. He is not flat footed. Your thoughts on this?
I tried this today at the range, it felt very awkward compared to what I normally do, I got one good straight shot with driver but nearly every other shot I seemed to top and it went straight along the floor, obviously not as simple as it looks, will try a few more times see if it becomes less strange
Great Video,keep um coming
1:23 What is that? A low wrap-around backswing with a little over the top move to get it back on plane?
In this video it looks like the stance width in this video is more narrow than the normal for Moe. Looks more like a bryson stance width.
Looks like Bryson isn't restricting his lower body like Todd teaches. I think something might break at the kind of rotational speed he is producing. Also, his grip has gotten super weak with both V's pointing left of his face, possibly to eliminate a big hook? Interesting stuff.
I don't know. Looks pretty restricted to me. His right heel stays pretty low to the ground. ESPECIALLY when you compare it to Justin Thomas, but he's problem the extreme on tour.
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photos.app.goo.gl/XfFEQjQAigxr8Fh66
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Exactly right. The Moe swing being taught keeps the right heel planted through impact and the left knee bent. This restricts hip turn and swing speed. Seems that it could lead to injury as well.Best to copy Bryson than Moe. Bryson has 6 wins on the PGA tour while Moe never had any.
@@Spencer-4 Not completely. Not compared to Moe's swing where his right foot stays down entirely throughout the swing.
Lower body slows of course, the slingshot effect.
Excellent! Thank you for this video.
I cannot see how anyone would setup for any shot on the course with the ball a foot ahead of the club. Unless they are happy Gilmore. Its insane.
I drop high a-bombs because of this swing. No hole is safe.
Biggest weakness of Moe's swing is uphill lies.. can't slide your hips and dip your head 8 inches to fetch the ball..
It's not completely true to suggest that the "single plane" swing is a powerful swing now because of Bryson DeChambeau. Keep in mind, Bryson has bulked up 3x bigger than he was 2 years ago and he is 5x stronger. Kinda fascinated to see how you have latched onto Bryson's success to prove Moe Norman's swing aka Natural Golf. Nowhere does Bryson talk about Moe Norman's swing and the reasons why he employs the single plain golf swing. It has nothing to do with Moe Norman. He takes a Scientific approach to golf, and throughout the years he figured out the "single plain" worked best for him. I don't think he ever knew anything about Moe Norman's "natural golf swing", nor who he was for that matter. If anything, Bryson has combined the "standard golf swing" with the "natural golf swing" and made it work for him. You can't take Bryson's swing and call it Natural Golf. He doesn't have a very wide stance. He doesn't stand very far from the ball. He doesn't have a five finger grip. Nor are his legs completely straight at address.
I find it unlikely BDC is unaware of Moe Norman. Regardless, the analysis here really misses the secret which explains his swing, Moe's, and many others. The computer guy doesn't know it, although his graphs are accurate no doubt. If you understand the secret you should be able to hit the ball well emulating (for example) the swings of such seemingly disparate golfers as Mac O'grady, Hogan, Palmer, etc. etc as well as Moe and BDC.
Bryson DeChambeau ABSOLUTELY knows about Moe Norman (as well as Graves Golf). DeChambeau quoted in a Golf Digest article, "Look at Moe Norman. Why was he able to hit it dead straight every time? It wasn't that he was thinking about everything. More like he was thinking about nothing-his mind was on automatic. He found his baseline, then let himself be an artist, not a machine. That's the ultimate triumph in golf." www.golfdigest.com/story/the-zealot-bryson-dechambeau Moe has been well-known and admired by PGA Tour Pros for decades despite not being well-known among the general public (especially in the U.S.) Many of the greats throughout the years have praised Moe Norman and gathered around to watch him hit balls on driving ranges at many PGA tournaments. Also, there really isn't a secret to it at all. As Moe told Todd Graves when asked how he mastered his Single Plane Swing, Moe said, "Hard work. You can't buy it." There are tons of detailed instruction beyond UA-cam that Todd & Tim Graves and Graves Golf provide having learned the swing directly from Moe in 10-years of mentorship and personal friendships
One of the biggest myths is BdC is longer than Champ/Finau and others who swing easier and are longer than him lol
And they didnt turn themselves into an unhealthy blob.
Moe never won a tournament on tour or against top competition while Bryson has won 6 times on tour. What gives with that???
First few minutes of this video ua-cam.com/video/g2zY8GwT0-Q/v-deo.html
The name Bryson has been "borrowed for this video" Chris Como is his real Coach.
Invaluable analysis. While watching the part about kinematic sequence, I compared the model (and Chandler's swing) to my own most recent V1 submission for critique. Boy, are my hands ever releasing MUCH too soon. Trail arm is straightening too soon as well. Back to the drawing board as they say. p.s. STILL NO BACK PAIN nor ice and pills either (and I played 27 holes yesterday)!