What Is A Kibbutz? - Apr. 19, 2018

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  • @gatheringzionspeople
    @gatheringzionspeople 5 років тому +128

    One correction -- they were saying, Oh, this is free and that is free, you get it from the kibbutz. .... No, it isn't free. In reality, it is "included" if you work and contribute. The kibbutz is not meant to be a welfare community of handouts. It just means that if you get sick, and miss a few days of work, you don't have to worry about being evicted. It cushions you but you definitely have to contribute.

    • @sabinelenne599
      @sabinelenne599 2 роки тому +13

      This is quiet better than the usual hostile ambition at work

    • @GPBKM
      @GPBKM Рік тому +15

      I think the video conveyed it pretty well already. The Kibbutz people are indeed hard-working people, and they live the ideal life most of us would like to have!

    • @brooklynnchick
      @brooklynnchick Рік тому +5

      I appreciate your distinction.

    • @Kromsmitesyou
      @Kromsmitesyou Рік тому

      Nothing is free in this world. Someone paid for it if just indirectly. This would never work on massive like in America, who donates billions to Israel by the way.

    • @Golgi-Gyges
      @Golgi-Gyges Рік тому

      Yes, but I have to wonder how any of this would exist without foreign aid. It probably would not. Therefore, it may just be Israel's fantasy.
      Don't get me wrong, I am all for Israel. The only gem in the Middle East (for decades).

  • @davidokeif8304
    @davidokeif8304 6 років тому +396

    This is what socialist/far-left should be doing in the USA instead of trying to turn the central government into one giant commune. It would be better, since the social programs would be more localized/efficient and all members can play an active role, rather than some far off bureaucrat trying to make some sort of one-size-fits-all solution. Social programs at the federal level are incredibly inefficient and prone to corruption.

    • @Dk-ns3ge
      @Dk-ns3ge 5 років тому +15

      Precisely!!!

    • @hirshtveria4715
      @hirshtveria4715 5 років тому +47

      I prefer a free market on a societal level on the basis of competition, innovation, and freedom from big governments, but I fully condone kibbutzism. Small pockets of Socialism that were created by people who are consensually involved that exist without hurting anybody don't sound like a bad idea as long as such a model isn't forced on others.

    • @mv1y3eb2qs4
      @mv1y3eb2qs4 4 роки тому +9

      How u enjoying Seattle now? :P

    • @davidokeif8304
      @davidokeif8304 4 роки тому +2

      @@mv1y3eb2qs4 I don't really know much about it other than what's being covered on the news/Internet. It seems kind of forced from what I've seen, but I'm not really sure, since I haven't seen it with my own eyes and it's difficult to understand the situation through distorted lenses. If that AZ is to last, they'll probably need to figure out some sort of legal framework similar to how American Indian tribes establish reservations with the federal government. Legalese is way above my head, but maybe the Kibbutz model should be closely looked at, in how it was legally integrated into Israeli law.

    • @EmulatorNoob
      @EmulatorNoob 4 роки тому +1

      They want to, but are always somehow fucked over by the authorities

  • @donnadejesu4445
    @donnadejesu4445 Рік тому +24

    I was on Kibbutz Maabarot for nearly one year in 1977. I often wonder if i should have stayed. I loved it.

    • @henriklocke
      @henriklocke Рік тому +3

      I was there as well in 2001. Lovely place and excellent food.

    • @RocketGator05
      @RocketGator05 8 місяців тому

      So you partook in a Socialist Imperial colonialist project?

  • @melissawinkle5196
    @melissawinkle5196 4 роки тому +121

    I lived on Kibbutz Ramat Yochanan from 1977-78 I was a volunteer and then studied in the ulpan/language work-study program. It was a life-changing experience. I have friends on the kibbutz..43 years of friendship that I have been fortunate to keep in my life all these years. I left the kibbutz for city life, but Ramat Yochanan was my home base while living in Israel. I still visit every trip to Israel. I loved kibbutz life and the people that I know there.

    • @dovidell
      @dovidell 2 роки тому +2

      I had so many life experiences on various kibbutzim that I couldn't have had elsewhere !! .Like you , I moved to the city ( a community near a couple of cities in central Israel ) , but I still carry those memories with me !!

    • @alivecorps8406
      @alivecorps8406 2 роки тому

      @@dovidell hi David bro can I be your friend I m from India sorry I hv to change my name first 😂😂🤚

    • @kerryabruzzo5297
      @kerryabruzzo5297 Рік тому

      Me too, Kibbutz Degania Alef in 1978, life changing experience!

    • @taliabraver
      @taliabraver Рік тому +2

      The kibbutz was some of my best times ever!

    • @GitXxxd
      @GitXxxd Рік тому +1

      I'm seeing this for the first time!!
      if I may ask, why would anyone leave that good free Kibbutz life for the outside world??

  • @blackcitroenlove
    @blackcitroenlove 5 років тому +18

    The modern version of Mississippian-era Cherokee towns. That's pretty nice. Our term for working together like this is gadugi

  • @tugatgalut
    @tugatgalut Рік тому +3

    I grew up in a Kibbutz. She forgot to mention the working hours.... 6 days a week 🤣

  • @sheilajohnson6478
    @sheilajohnson6478 Рік тому +16

    I’m so sorry for what has happened there, here in 2023. May God be with you. America stands with you.🇺🇸🇳🇮

    • @EIonMusk1
      @EIonMusk1 Рік тому

      Americans stand with 🇮🇱 🇺🇸
      palestine is musIim terror

  • @gglen2141
    @gglen2141 Рік тому +31

    I'm a massive fan of how the Israelis turned scrbland into a paradise. Israel is a beautiful country.

    • @bonita392
      @bonita392 Рік тому +5

      thanks to americas tax money.

    • @gglen2141
      @gglen2141 Рік тому +1

      That didn't hurt. But the Israelis did all the grunt work themselves. Possibly America felt guilty about refusing the first wave of Jews trying to escape Hitler and sending them back to their deaths. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis@@bonita392

    • @yehonatangold1552
      @yehonatangold1552 Рік тому

      @@bonita392 america only invest in israel about militans stuff, israel is a friend of america that have the same enemies that israel had and surrounded by, so israel for the americans are the ones who keep control of the middle east who is strong and a good allay of the usa

  • @zecouves673
    @zecouves673 2 роки тому +11

    the correct implementation of the kibbutz system in 3rd world countries would revolutionize the world! Greetings from a former kibbutz volunteer from Brazil!

    • @8313m
      @8313m Рік тому +2

      Yeah, like in the North Korea, right?

    • @zecouves673
      @zecouves673 Рік тому +1

      @@8313m go there and see how it works before share your "wisdom"

    • @ophanimangel3143
      @ophanimangel3143 Рік тому

      @@8313mNorth Koreans don’t practice kibbutz. No sense of community like these people.

    • @FreedomeIsAMyth-1948
      @FreedomeIsAMyth-1948 3 місяці тому

      Only if they chose to do it themselves. Not forced on them.

    • @zecouves673
      @zecouves673 3 місяці тому

      @@FreedomeIsAMyth-1948 thanks for the sharp answer!

  • @god563616
    @god563616 Рік тому +12

    I'm watching this after the Hamas attack. I knew nothing about this.
    It looks beautiful 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

    • @nickie2011
      @nickie2011 Рік тому +3

      Me too.... So much beauty destroyed. OMG

    • @chahrazed6143
      @chahrazed6143 Рік тому +4

      This beautiful homeland is Palestine, and these beautiful houses were built on the blood of the Palestinians who were killed by Israel and expelled from their homes (these lands belong to the Palestinians and they still have the civil legal documents for their homes and lands), then they built this town and decorated it so that the Israelis who came from all over the world could enjoy it.
      the truth will not die, and one day the truth will emerge in spite of the evil people

    • @ophanimangel3143
      @ophanimangel3143 Рік тому +2

      @@chahrazed6143Palestine? You mean Egypt. Gaza was part of Egypt until the 6 day war. Ottoman Empire never called it Palestine and Quran never mentioned it either. Jews have lived in these lands before Arabs, Islam and Romans came around.

    • @user-lv4ov5rp6d
      @user-lv4ov5rp6d Рік тому

      @@nickie2011 What has been destroyed in Israel? Is it not just Gaza and Palestina that has been bombed?

    • @OllieOckbar
      @OllieOckbar 6 місяців тому

      @@chahrazed6143Squeal louder. Your lies are unending as is the Arab propensity for starting wars against Jews. Jews bought their own land and formed kibbutz and other communities. They stole nothing. The Arabs have been killing Jews since even before 1919 when the Ottomans were defeated and every war in Israel has been started by Arabs. Moreover, Arab invaders have no place in Israel.

  • @kristinaclark764
    @kristinaclark764 3 роки тому +222

    I'm not Jewish, but I'd love to be able to form a community like this for my family. ❤️

    • @dovidell
      @dovidell 2 роки тому +14

      kibbutz isn't a singularity , it's part of a unified collective organisation .Some kibbutzim are financially better off than others , so the " better off " kibbutzim share their wealth with the " not so financially well off " kibbutzim , so that all may survive

    • @chaselee86
      @chaselee86 Рік тому +15

      It feels like bottom-up socialism / communism, but in order that it works, the whole village needs to work hard to provide. That means it has to be a small and tight community that people trust each other. It works in a small nation-state like Israel, but I doubt if it would work in America or other western countries where people are more individualistic and want more for themselves.

    • @bohenry1836
      @bohenry1836 Рік тому +5

      @@chaselee86 when population is huge, there is too many people have different value of life, it don't work. It's work ONLY small group of people totally share the same value. Also, it have to be volunteer, if anyone is not happy, should be freely to leave anytime. I think it's good idea to me, because I experience life is not easy, if a community can provide me everything, I don't need to own anything. No pressure of how to pay bill, no stress. That's why they let the young people to go out, until 30 years old, then decide what they want. If anyone experience outside world, and happy won't return. Anyone find struggling would be happy to return to less stressful life.

    • @kennybachman35
      @kennybachman35 Рік тому +5

      @@dovidelland all of that is funded by US taxpayers.

    • @J040PL7
      @J040PL7 Рік тому +1

      ​@@chaselee86it could work if done by private entities with legitimate goals of it working.
      If then government tries implementing it, it'll fail 😂

  • @G1Bryce
    @G1Bryce 6 років тому +11

    Thank you! I've been really interested in Kibbutz, this has helped a lot :)

  • @SifriyaBooks
    @SifriyaBooks Рік тому +56

    We love you Israel. Rest in Peace to the lives lost.

    • @EIonMusk1
      @EIonMusk1 Рік тому

      It happened in here?

    • @swanchilds
      @swanchilds Рік тому

      @@EIonMusk1 There is a small Town like in this video, all people in this town have been killed by Hamas. Also many of children.

    • @deanl0
      @deanl0 Рік тому

      @@EIonMusk1 Nah this kibbutz is next to Haifa not Gaza

  • @prashantj7839
    @prashantj7839 3 роки тому +25

    I am not Jewish, but I like the concept of kibbutz.

  • @tasspafitis848
    @tasspafitis848 Рік тому +5

    What a beautiful way to live , that is what you call a community , not suited for all types of people so i can understand why they would be very carefull in their selection of choosing who they would accept in living in their communities , I did not know that this type of lifestyle even existed , how envious i am..... i wish you all a happy and peaceful life .

    • @priscillavelazquezs
      @priscillavelazquezs Рік тому +4

      Unfortunately this is exactly the neighborhoods Hamas attacked

    • @tasspafitis848
      @tasspafitis848 Рік тому +6

      @@priscillavelazquezs It is impossible to put civilised people amongst barbarians , i understand the response Israel has taken . Unfortunately you can not change the mentality of the Arab Nations or mindset which they want the rest of the world to live in , maybe if they loved their childrens & their future more than they hate their enemies will things change . Hoping for peace and love for all Israelies & their enemies .

    • @priscillavelazquezs
      @priscillavelazquezs Рік тому +3

      @@tasspafitis848 I agree.

  • @NirmalSingh-lg2xc
    @NirmalSingh-lg2xc Рік тому +34

    Beautiful place may the Lord continue to bless and keep it safe ❤🙏🇮🇱

    • @Big-gp9bi
      @Big-gp9bi Рік тому

      You are Hindu. Jews do not believe in your gods.

    • @zhou_sei
      @zhou_sei Рік тому +1

      netanyahu sure ain't gonna keep it safe

  • @christopheuhlin7309
    @christopheuhlin7309 Рік тому +6

    Pretty clever concept ❤

    • @rienavoir8250
      @rienavoir8250 Рік тому

      this is literally socialism!! what America is completely against, but except that here it actually works and isn't corrupt.

    • @aumelb
      @aumelb Рік тому +2

      ​@@rienavoir8250 more like communism, actually.
      With socialism, you still have private ownership except for means of production and have to pay for services like utilities, transportation, food, medicines, entertainment etc. True, it's not as expensive as in a capitalist system because the socialist economy is not profit oriented but many things are not free.
      In these kibbutz communities (if the video is true) it looks like you own nothing except clothes you were and don't pay for anything other than the contribution you make through your work. Money basically are meaningless unless you go outside the community.
      I grew up in USSR and that's exactly what we were told about communism at school, how our society would work in future if we manage to "build" communism. The only difference is the scale and absence of the larger state structure (communism is supposed have a stateless society of these kibbutz-like communities).

    • @rienavoir8250
      @rienavoir8250 Рік тому

      @@aumelb yup! Well I'm happy it works for them, not a bad concept at all

  • @MrHermitknows
    @MrHermitknows 6 років тому +63

    I am an Indian(hindu) and i personally find Jews best amongst all Abrahamic religions. Coz.
    1. *they dont try to convert others*
    2. *they practice their religion peacefully*
    3. *they are very hard working*
    4. *just like us* .. "live and let live attitude".
    5. *people with high IQ*

    • @lottepetterson8413
      @lottepetterson8413 6 років тому +11

      true, agreed

    • @yelsavidaravskaja905
      @yelsavidaravskaja905 6 років тому +3

      Rajan A Thevar I like Israeli jews, but not international jews who don’t keep to themselves and manipulate other societies. Ethnostates are the answer - then everyone can live happily and work hard for their own people in their own land.

    • @masterg7895
      @masterg7895 6 років тому +3

      Rajan A Thevar That's why we love Indians. Always positive and objective.

    • @togethercoin1684
      @togethercoin1684 6 років тому +2

      ❤️❤️❤️🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏🙏. A MAN THAT SPEAKS THE TRUTH GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOU ARE WELCOMED TO COME TOO ISRAEL. WE WELCOME YOU

    • @subchan6595
      @subchan6595 6 років тому +5

      @@yelsavidaravskaja905 what a load of absolute rubbish. For every jew with an opinion there are 100 000 peoples with same opinion who are not jews. Since when is it sooooo easy to manupulate humanity in any area ? - stupid person you

  • @alexcarter8807
    @alexcarter8807 6 років тому +21

    As a quick guide, a shekel is about the same as a US quarter, so they're making $1200 a month but most everything taken care of, and most of it better than 90% of us have it in the US. Especially health care.

    • @wsjacksonjr
      @wsjacksonjr 5 років тому +2

      okay if you don't mind living in the last country on earth that allows apartheid, why don't the people from gaza get to stay there?

    • @alexcarter8807
      @alexcarter8807 4 роки тому +2

      @@wsjacksonjr Nope violent crackheads who kill children not allowed on kibbutzim

    • @meirabarenholtz5524
      @meirabarenholtz5524 4 роки тому +6

      Mr. Jackson own wow someone doesn’t know that Israel and Palestine are two different counties and israel has borders crazy thought

    • @ophanimangel3143
      @ophanimangel3143 Рік тому

      @@wsjacksonjrBecause Gazans don’t want to be. Most care about being religious hypocrites and hating on Jews.

    • @ophanimangel3143
      @ophanimangel3143 Рік тому

      @@f3mcell373Because Hamas keeps attacking Israel and the hostages are still being kept there. What a ridiculous and insolent question.

  • @SmoothCode
    @SmoothCode Рік тому +11

    This kind of community can only exist only if everyone knows everyone and there is a high trust society where people feel obligated to pull their own weight. Otherwise - this is just impractical. Nice concept tho.

    • @memenadekhanh3992
      @memenadekhanh3992 Рік тому +3

      that's why there is a strict regulation on who can get in (like marriage or be a jew).

  • @justintie
    @justintie 6 років тому +40

    Great video! Now I finally know what the famous kibbutz is all about. And by the way, it sounds like a great place!

    • @seinfan9
      @seinfan9 5 років тому +1

      Lol, it's not. Daniel Gavron wrote a book about his experience raised in one and the current struggles they face. While entirely sympathetic to what these communities attempt to provide, the incentive problem as well as the unavoidable economic calculation problem has dwindled these communities to a handful. And the ones currently surviving do so because they provide marketable goods to the outside world that churn out profits.

    • @raanan1115
      @raanan1115 4 роки тому +2

      @@راديو76 The right & religious took over because they became the majority, that's called democracy. 90% of the new immigrants in the 1950's were orthodox right-wingers, but the Israeli communists used forced secularization to try & control them for political & ideological benefit. That's NOT democracy. Finally, in 1977, the right-wing arose & defeated the left-wing. The left-wing is still trying to rule the country through the Supreme Court, the leftist media & the police, yet they are STILL losing power every day.

  • @josephekesiobi9088
    @josephekesiobi9088 6 років тому +48

    Wow. That's nice. I'll visit there when I get to Israel.

    • @herbertbielefelder341
      @herbertbielefelder341 6 років тому +11

      Visit Kibbutz Ein Dor, near the city of Afula (Northern Israel). I lived there in 1989 and I can safely say it was the BEST time of my life. Just don't go in the summer, go in December up to March.

    • @TheOfficialMylo
      @TheOfficialMylo 3 роки тому

      @@herbertbielefelder341 why not in summer?

    • @Channel-ml4qv
      @Channel-ml4qv 3 роки тому +2

      @@TheOfficialMylo it’s hot

    • @amiradlishamsani3701
      @amiradlishamsani3701 2 роки тому +2

      *Palestine

  • @herbertbielefelder341
    @herbertbielefelder341 6 років тому +40

    KIBBUTZ FOOD IS AMAZING.

    • @gardensofthegods
      @gardensofthegods 4 роки тому

      I have a stupid question about eating in a kibbutz.
      What is you don't feel like eating in a noisy cafeteria like setting ... do they have any smaller rooms there where a person could maybe only sit with a few people and it's much more quiet ?
      What if you really just want to take the food home and eat your meal and your little apartment or house ? Are you allowed to put it in containers and go eat it at home ?

    • @glitchesforfun
      @glitchesforfun 3 роки тому +2

      @@gardensofthegods yes, there is no problem at all to grab the food you want in a container and bring it home or wherever you want to eat it :)

    • @dovidell
      @dovidell 2 роки тому

      @@gardensofthegods a lot of the communal living associated with kibbutz has been ditched over the years by many , but not all kibbutzim .The dining room used to be the centre of the kibbutz in so many ways ( I could go on and on , but I won't ) , but to answer your question , on some kibbutzim , some members do bring food containers to the dining room , then trot off home to eat , it all depends where one works , meal breaks are not infinite , and if you're working in the fields far from your home , you will have to manage your time carefully .

  • @johncostello3174
    @johncostello3174 Рік тому +2

    I would imagine a similar climate to Cyprus. Been to Cyprus a few times and it's pleasantly warm even in November. 5000 shekels = £1068 or $1323. At 6 shekels a meal that's just £1.28 or $1.59. No rent, no council tax. Electric? I would imagine no heating req. at any time but air con not sure about. These days I imagine a lot of the electricity requirement is satisfied by solar panels.
    This vid has got me seriously interested.

  • @fatrick5004
    @fatrick5004 Рік тому +5

    Interesting but how is it funded. Nothing is ever “free”

    • @jackpine4347
      @jackpine4347 Рік тому +3

      The kibbutzim are self-sustaining using the proceeds of the businesses they run.

    • @fatrick5004
      @fatrick5004 Рік тому

      @@jackpine4347 thank you

  • @JP-oe4ry
    @JP-oe4ry Рік тому +11

    This sounds actually nice especially consideringthe way society is going in the west especially the Nordics where individual living is very normal and loneliness amongst the youth is a growing problem.

    • @jaypee389
      @jaypee389 Рік тому +1

      It is very lonley in Canada in the Winter if you have no family or wife.. very quiet and still....minus 40 centigrade.

  • @TheMichaelvR
    @TheMichaelvR 6 років тому +82

    An excellent piece - have just seen it now. I delighted so many kibbutzim still exist. I'm not Jewish, but in 1983, I spent 3 months on Kibbutz Magen as a volunteer. It was one of the best experiences of my life. At the time, I was encouraged to think about joining and for many years thereafter I regretted my decision to leave. I still admire the philosophy of shared contribution and shared reward - a far more preferable way of life than the shallow, greedy, accumulative, corrupt societies we find ourselves part of today. Such a pity that the model hasn't taken off in other parts of the world in building meaningful communities.

    • @scoobyduh8878
      @scoobyduh8878 6 років тому +3

      Indeed, I hope I can reply this idea in my country in a not so distant future :D

    • @zecouves673
      @zecouves673 2 роки тому +3

      was a kibbutz volunteer back in 2010 at Kibbutz Lahav. I share the exact same words you did. Fantastic personal experience and the kibbutz itself is also a great social experiment too! Greetings from Brazil!

  • @rhyfelwrDuw
    @rhyfelwrDuw Рік тому +12

    I'm watching this just over a week after Hamas attacked a Kibbutz in Israel. I don't know which Kibbutz this is but I wonder if the people in the video are OK!

    • @Stsh1010
      @Stsh1010 Рік тому +3

      Don't worry. They're fine. Also, lately they've been able to help families, that needed to evacuate from their homes and also to make a decent contribution to the areas that have been brutally damaged. So good for them!

  • @vagabondx3
    @vagabondx3 5 років тому +45

    It was a great experience!! was there for 6 months back in 2005! been in two different kibbutz!love from INDIA! also not all kibbutz are the same they varies in different layouts and productions(factories) and also amenities and food!

    • @gardensofthegods
      @gardensofthegods 4 роки тому

      Can you tell us what kind of work you did there ?

    • @vagabondx3
      @vagabondx3 4 роки тому +2

      @@gardensofthegods i used to work in the dining area& kitchen did a bit of work in apple packing ,also did some farming work in another kibbutz

    • @bandisirishakalyani6431
      @bandisirishakalyani6431 3 роки тому

      How to apply for volunteering in a Kibbutz

  • @BneiAnusim
    @BneiAnusim 3 роки тому +19

    I was born and grew up in a dictatorship! So, the word "socialist" gives me chills! 😬

    • @janettucker3196
      @janettucker3196 3 роки тому +12

      Dictatorship is opposite to democracy. Socialist is opposite to capitalist. One is a political system...the other is an economic system.

    • @kalikale3969
      @kalikale3969 Рік тому +8

      That's why I say it will only work in small communities of like minded people and NOT as a larger and only system in a country. The people in the Kibbutz are there by choice and can leave that system anytime they want. Not so if it's the system of an entire country.

    • @jaypee389
      @jaypee389 Рік тому

      Ya that words really scares me.

  • @johnframe3440
    @johnframe3440 3 роки тому +24

    As a secular Protestant (non practicing) here in the Midwest (metro Cincinnati) I am impressed with how well the Kibbutz concept works for those who opt for the lifestyle & life associated with its social constructs. I don't think I could give up my suburban (Bourgeois) life as this is what I have known all my (almost) 59 years of life. But for those who want a more communal sense of life with similarly shared experiences, this is a really cool concept! Thanks for sharing with us. It was interesting and informative!

    • @msbecks7004
      @msbecks7004 Рік тому +4

      The reason it works is the people want to be there. Socialism on a country scale doesn’t work because some people don’t want to contribute or are too lazy too

  • @missthang4982
    @missthang4982 Рік тому +24

    I came here because of the news reports of, Kibbutz homes being attacked by Hamas parasites. Ive heard of the word but did not know what it meant. Found out is was a home. What a lovely way to live. I'm so sorry for what the people of Isreal are going through. I hope you all are able to repair the Kibbutz communities you were peacefully living in. My heart to you all. Glory be to Isreal 🙌🙏🙏
    Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

    • @missthang4982
      @missthang4982 Рік тому +2

      @@amorenew Don't think so? We've already hosted piles of garbage from your area. Unless of course you have a dung heap suitable enough for your needs? Could look around if ya wanna? Maybe learn to spell Canada before you come? May be useful down the road? Never know.. "HEY?" 💋

    • @TheCastedone
      @TheCastedone Рік тому +1

      Kibbutz are also armed and serve as a first line defence...it would make sense they would be targeted.

  • @מורןצוקרמן
    @מורןצוקרמן 6 років тому +24

    great video! im from this kibbuts and i can only say this is the best way to live!

  • @obasaar68
    @obasaar68 6 років тому +29

    Brings back such wonderful memories for me!
    Thank you for your work!

  • @yakovtochii4748
    @yakovtochii4748 2 роки тому +5

    Kibbutz is one of the examples that socialism (sometimes) worked

  • @itshaklevy7
    @itshaklevy7 6 років тому +35

    Great video!!!! Actually I live in a kibbutz-like community here in Spain. People who never lived so can't understand it. But it's great to live your God-given life not only thinking about yourSELF , but for the others too. And when the people who live there think about each other and care about each other the life is much much easier!!!! Shalom al kol am Israel!!!

    • @acchaladka
      @acchaladka 6 років тому +1

      Falhawk73 Look up co-housing, there are some communities particularly in BC. Not kibbutzim, but sort of similar.

    • @mrlifferth
      @mrlifferth 5 років тому +1

      Where is your community? I would like to learn more about it

    • @sabinelenne599
      @sabinelenne599 2 роки тому

      I am looking for à place liké this since 30 years ..bur all that I found was communities who fonctionned with practized sectarism. Just living and work together- impossible for those

  • @scottweisel3640
    @scottweisel3640 Рік тому +8

    Socialism without taxation? That really does sound like utopia.

    • @EliyaSummer
      @EliyaSummer Рік тому

      The kibutz I’m sure pay taxes

    • @J040PL7
      @J040PL7 Рік тому

      Well, taxation isn't a requirement for socialism, but it's the only way with how lazy socialists are 😂
      There are 2 ways to generate value in the world.
      1. Time
      2. Money
      If socialists are lazy and don't want to give their time, they go after your money.
      The kibbutz everyone works from young so the time fuels the economy.
      Socialism doesn't work not because it can't work, it doesn't work because humans screw it up.

    • @rivkajaneevenhaor5707
      @rivkajaneevenhaor5707 5 місяців тому

      The kibbutz pays the taxes on behalf of its members, i.e. not tax free

  • @BangNguyen-ux4ie
    @BangNguyen-ux4ie 8 місяців тому

    So how do members contribute to the kibbutz's budget? Paying a fee? tax? How much?

    • @hr-g4640
      @hr-g4640 8 місяців тому

      goyim pays it all

  • @robwilkinson8497
    @robwilkinson8497 6 років тому +10

    its well worth being a volunteer. In this world where there is so much selfishness and greed some time spent living together will really make you question how the rest of the world lives...certainly other western countries/societys.

  • @shireeni8665
    @shireeni8665 4 роки тому +6

    Why wouldn't anyone not want to live in this environment....it sounds perfect. It is also a brilliant idea for the people and poverty in our townships here in South Africa.

    • @pietdezwart2271
      @pietdezwart2271 4 роки тому +2

      yes, it would be, but most people do not qualify, because the amount of rules are huge. not going to work is not an option unless you are genuinely ill. not everybody can do the job they want to. etc etc

    • @sabinelenne599
      @sabinelenne599 2 роки тому +1

      Because you have family and responsability elsewhere...

    • @dovidell
      @dovidell 2 роки тому

      the ANC government is too corrupt ( and racist ) to have such a smart idea like this come to fruition in the RSA , ESPECIALLY if it originated from Israel ( and YES I did visit a couple of townships when I visited the RSA )

    • @petejames1326
      @petejames1326 Рік тому +1

      i want to reply but ill be accused of being racist so i wont write the truth

    • @MickyAspire
      @MickyAspire Рік тому +1

      This only works if everyone takes accountability and works hard. Sadly South Africans have made it a habbit to blame the government and white people for all their problems, so it's probably not going to work there.

  • @clarkgriswold-zr5sb
    @clarkgriswold-zr5sb Рік тому +4

    Nothing's free. Ever. Anywhere.

  • @szaszm_
    @szaszm_ Рік тому +2

    Why would major executives give up their high salaries to the Kibbutz, to subsidize the other members? What's their individual motivation?

    • @lawrencefrost9063
      @lawrencefrost9063 Рік тому +1

      We work to make money but that's a ridiculous end goal. The end goal of any financial gain is to get to this kind of life. No? What is the motivation to work any job, including a high salary job, when money is meaningless since the community has got you and your family covered? THE JOB! Like it should be.

    • @szaszm_
      @szaszm_ Рік тому

      ​@@lawrencefrost9063 What end goal?
      My question in other words: You can live in a community and not work extra hard as a high level executive. These jobs require a lot of personal sacrifice, in time and stress. Some people choose to do them in exchange for higher living standards. But if it all goes to the Kibbutz, then why are people choosing to sacrifice more of their time, compared to a normal job?

  • @kerstboom20000
    @kerstboom20000 Рік тому +3

    Excellent documentary❤

  • @susudarake
    @susudarake Рік тому +1

    I watched it today, and realized that Hamas has destroyed the same community. If I had a chance, would like to spend around 2-3months in Kibbutz and learn how this utopian sysytem works.

    • @rivkajaneevenhaor5707
      @rivkajaneevenhaor5707 5 місяців тому

      Hamas destroyed the southern kibbutzim. This one is in the north and has taken in many people from those communities.

  • @akshayoturkar3768
    @akshayoturkar3768 5 років тому +6

    I have lived in Israel In kibbutz I really like it very much I want to do volunteer programme again it's so beautiful I like it

  • @davidgaskin1558
    @davidgaskin1558 Рік тому +3

    The only reason this works is because it is Highly Discriminatory, in that they can choose who they allow and who they don’t, and also it is mutually chosen, i.e., the people choose to be there and the the people there choose who they let in. Also, the cultural homogeneity of the people is key. You can’t have something like this where a few people believe they are doing everything as to the glory of god, and the other people are doing, just good enough. Socialism as a government / complete economic system will never work because it is forced on everyone, and the majority of people will choose to be freeloaders, while the rest of the people will work to support the majority.

    • @jackpine4347
      @jackpine4347 Рік тому +2

      It works because they are careful to have people who actually want to work and contribute to both the kibbutz and the country. Kibbutzim are successful precisely because they have a motivated membership who want to cooperate for the greater good. Kibbutzim were founded by secular Jews for the most part, though there are some religious kibbutzim. This is not about discrimination. Would you call hiring the best person for a job in a company discriminatory, because they are ones most likely to not only personally succeed, but contribute to the success of the company?

    • @rivkajaneevenhaor5707
      @rivkajaneevenhaor5707 5 місяців тому

      Spoken like someone who has certainly never been to this particular kibbutz.

  • @wallraven55
    @wallraven55 Рік тому +12

    They forget to mention the neighbors.

    • @wendylpa
      @wendylpa Рік тому +2

      Exactly. Moral of the story: When EVERY house requires a safe room, and there are bomb shelters everywhere else - you should NOT be living there to begin with!

    • @jackpine4347
      @jackpine4347 Рік тому +5

      @@wendylpa So the Ukranians should leave Ukraine, the Yemenis not dominated by Houthi rebels should leave Yemen...etc.

    • @wendylpa
      @wendylpa Рік тому

      @@jackpine4347 Solid point! But regardless of which geographic region - it typically goes back to how/why a category of humans settled/inhabited that land to begin with. That's where things get tricky...

    • @banner767
      @banner767 Рік тому

      @@wendylpa lmao, yeah we should've kept them in the countries that had the holocaust and kept them as subhuman citizens. Why would the UN make such a decision. The state of Israel started in 1948... what could have possibly preceded such decision in Europe. 🤔

    • @MorganeCamiret
      @MorganeCamiret 10 місяців тому

      ​@@wendylpanon historical answer. Lacks background study.

  • @ericneiman5556
    @ericneiman5556 Рік тому +1

    I could live there. Could I? What's the catch?

  • @clqudy4750
    @clqudy4750 Рік тому +3

    This needs to be the model all over the world, especially in the US. I love this concept - similar to the 15 minute community, but better!

    • @memenadekhanh3992
      @memenadekhanh3992 Рік тому

      So far, it's only applicable to homogenous (ethnically and culturally) society which require some particular "right-wing" policies to maintain.

  • @Bulldozered2003
    @Bulldozered2003 Рік тому +1

    The communists protected by the capitalists. That is unique!

  • @otrdriverchris
    @otrdriverchris Рік тому +4

    I suspect there's much outside of Israel financial support for a Kibbutz. No way could that work without outside financial support.

    • @memenadekhanh3992
      @memenadekhanh3992 Рік тому +1

      Kibbutz has government support too. The government has incentive for people to move to land near Gaza and West Bank to legitimize the government claims of those lands.

  • @stefansollberger5658
    @stefansollberger5658 Рік тому

    I used to work in a Kibbutz as a Swiss National in 1996 for 3 months called Revivim

  • @rahmatghani1688
    @rahmatghani1688 3 роки тому +8

    I'm from Malaysia, can i join the Kibbut settlement..pls advice. Tqsm

  • @mfra959
    @mfra959 3 роки тому +1

    Is they have Bowling in Kibbutz?

  • @kamaluddinahmed1725
    @kamaluddinahmed1725 2 роки тому +4

    I wish I could live in Kibbutz in Israel. It’s seems to be paradise on earth.

  • @magnofernandes969
    @magnofernandes969 Рік тому +2

    Hamas brought this upon his own people , I stand with Israel

  • @TheDiosareina
    @TheDiosareina Рік тому +4

    Amazing !!!! I want to live like this !!!!!

  • @blueridgebrothers
    @blueridgebrothers Рік тому +2

    Not a socialist community. Socialism and communism is forced by the government. This is by choice. The people are free to leave anytime they want.

    • @dritemolawzbks8574
      @dritemolawzbks8574 Рік тому

      It's socialism. They used the correct term. If it's were socialism forced by a single-party government that prohibits private ownership, and seizes property, factories, and farmland to be own as a collective by the workers, then that's closer to being communism.

  • @rectify2003
    @rectify2003 Рік тому +8

    Wow, what a wonderful life
    I would love to live on a Kibbutz, I had no idea what a Kibbutz was
    Sending Prayers and Love to Israel

    • @MB-we4dx
      @MB-we4dx Рік тому +2

      Disgusting. They have these stupid town on Gaza and West bank. It is not free when it is on another people's expenses.

    • @rectify2003
      @rectify2003 Рік тому

      @@MB-we4dx Let me guess, You hate Jews?

  • @tomhill3439
    @tomhill3439 Рік тому +2

    In parts of the Congo and surrounding areas of the African continent, there is similar communities just as advanced.

  • @AndersonCPX00
    @AndersonCPX00 6 років тому +38

    this hostess is my crush :3

    • @richardgadol9364
      @richardgadol9364 6 років тому +5

      That very attractive hostess with a great personality is Natasha Kirtchuk --- who is also an ILTV News anchor. She's smart, witty, pretty and an engaging speaker. I read somewhere that she is an alumna of Duke University.

  • @teolita
    @teolita Рік тому +2

    This is excellent.

  • @ElectroAtletico
    @ElectroAtletico 4 роки тому +5

    Everyone pays. Someone always pays more. Someone always gets more than they contribute.

  • @jaypee389
    @jaypee389 Рік тому

    Are there armed Kibbutz's or are they unarmed? I like guns. I am a expert marksman with every kind of gun. A champion. Are there nightclubs? Are there different kinds of Kibbutz's? Is there Steak night? Is there Chinese food? Can I have a Xmas tree and Christmas? Please advise.

    • @jackpine4347
      @jackpine4347 Рік тому

      To answer your questions in the order you asked them: (1)Kibbutz members can own guns, if the need is justified and they are licensed to own firearms. (2)Some kibbutzim may have their own nightclubs for their members. (3)There are different kinds of kibbutzim in terms of the nature of their economies. Some are agricultural, some industrial, some a mix. (4)The kibbutz kitchens produce whatever food is favored by the members. (5)Most kibbutzim are secular, so you could put up a Xmas tree celebrate Xmas, erect a totem pole, or do whatever else you want, as long as you adhere to the rules and regulations of the kibbutz.

    • @jaypee389
      @jaypee389 Рік тому

      @jackpine4347
      Hahahaha right on.
      So many hot women there

  • @JoeDoe2
    @JoeDoe2 4 роки тому +3

    Married? A member? I'll marry you. Musician and teacher, will play and teach for food, etc.

  • @bobwoods1302
    @bobwoods1302 Рік тому +2

    Doesn't seem to be self sustaining. They said much of the money they need comes from wealthy members who have executive jobs on the outside and give their salaries to the Kibbutz. There are other problems as well like can I earn enough money to be a boat owner?

    • @memenadekhanh3992
      @memenadekhanh3992 Рік тому +2

      well you can share the boat with other people lol since everything is owned by everyone.

    • @jackpine4347
      @jackpine4347 Рік тому +1

      If they were not self-sustaining, how could there be any kibbutzim? Yes, some members do work outside the kibbutz, but the kibbutzim are very successful at running agricultural and industrial businesses.

    • @memenadekhanh3992
      @memenadekhanh3992 Рік тому

      @@jackpine4347 collectives like theses are propped up and supported by the government(tax payers). This is due to the governments has incentive to push people to become settlers to empty lands near west bank and Gaza(kinda risky way to hold on to lands).

  • @rvarg89
    @rvarg89 5 років тому +5

    So the members that earn a high income outside of the Kibbutz give back most of their income to the Kibbutz or?

    • @galileo93
      @galileo93 5 років тому +3

      That's right. Very idealistic people.

    • @Gideon01
      @Gideon01 4 роки тому +5

      Or they can leave. Give up their membership. It's not a prison.

    • @davidtamiran
      @davidtamiran 3 роки тому

      They do!

    • @AL_THOMAS_777
      @AL_THOMAS_777 Рік тому

      @@Gideon01 But it seems to be a real MAGNET ! Why the heck always saving millions for oneself, if sharing = caring ? Life is about LOVE !

  • @SayLessDoMore369
    @SayLessDoMore369 Рік тому

    Judaism is filled with so much knowledge and teachings on how to take of yourself and your community.
    While this system is good for some countries, the U.S is reliant on free market capitalistic lifestyles for its citizens and for its GDP so that it can sustain its ability to secure free trade for the world with its navy and ensure combat capability with its air force.

  • @JustDucky-d9k
    @JustDucky-d9k Рік тому +4

    That sounds perfectly awesome. I think its a nice life they have created there.I bet the crime rate is zero. Go Israel.

    • @memenadekhanh3992
      @memenadekhanh3992 Рік тому

      So far, it's only applicable to homogenous (ethnically and culturally) society which require some particular "right-wing" policies to maintain.

  • @alexanderwingeskog758
    @alexanderwingeskog758 Рік тому +2

    Have to say... this seems like "life perfection"... I'm a Swede (not jewish) and seems like 80's Swedish (mix between market/state economy)... In some cases it this seem a lot more state/(kibbutz) then market but in other it seems more market...
    Sweden changed from a lot of state own utility (tax funded) to a more free market funded utilities and maybe today it works, sort of... but it I think we pay more and get less, and it is not as safe/secure as I wanted to be... somethings should be for its citizens (tax funded) and not free market and somethings should be free market stuff... there is always a perfect balance.. I don't think Sweden has it yet...
    This Kibbutz seems to have a nice balance...

  • @yelsavidaravskaja905
    @yelsavidaravskaja905 6 років тому +23

    I wish Finland, Karelia and Estonia became a single united ethnostate and started kibbutzim. I would LOVE to live a more traditional lifestyle, farming and producing for my people and writing in my free time.

    • @zacnieprawisz9171
      @zacnieprawisz9171 5 років тому

      Yelsä Vidaravskaja That would be awesome, I wish you Uralic fellows good luck from Poland.

    • @ardalla535
      @ardalla535 2 роки тому +1

      Not likely. Karelia is part of Russia.

  • @ManuelGarcia-cd1hk
    @ManuelGarcia-cd1hk Рік тому +2

    This system works fine for very small cohesive communities with law abiding people. Communities that share same values and with little diversity in social mores and cultures.
    It will not work in most of the world.

    • @rivkajaneevenhaor5707
      @rivkajaneevenhaor5707 5 місяців тому

      If you had visited you eould realise that there is a very diverse population living on this kibbutz. Members from every country in the middle east, europe, us, australia, england and even new zealand. They range in profession from cleaners to world famous heart surgeons.

    • @ManuelGarcia-cd1hk
      @ManuelGarcia-cd1hk 5 місяців тому

      rivkajaneevenhaor
      It is not a question of ethnicity or profession.
      It is a question of VALUES and culture.
      Jewish people are spread all over the world in all types of occupations.

  • @dannyhughes4889
    @dannyhughes4889 2 роки тому +5

    It could be an example to a World fast going down the hole.
    It isn't Paradise and can even be a sort of Hell to some but altogether it has a lot to offer especially in a very difficult and expensive Country like Israel is.
    There is a saying that it is Paradise for kids and old people with the between time years more of a challenge.
    I just heard that a group of Israelis are establishing a Kibbutz in Portugal where vacant land is available and relatively cheap.

    • @bettinadanielsen6348
      @bettinadanielsen6348 Рік тому +1

      Would love to know where that is in Portugal. I lived in a Kibbutz back in the 90ies. Life changing exp. I think the model would be great for old people in most countries...Weird that other countries didn't try this model more.

  • @davidwell686
    @davidwell686 Рік тому +2

    I like Israel but don't understand why we had to send them so much money over the years. It is a very rich country and should be standing on their own two feet. Now of course, they need aid to fight against Islamic terrorists, but even still, the USA is broke and needs to cut spending.

    • @romewasnotbuiltinaday
      @romewasnotbuiltinaday Рік тому +1

      because we need an ally in the middle east to help keep an eye on all the countries that want to eliminate us and we have an air force base there.

  • @teefrankenstein4340
    @teefrankenstein4340 Рік тому +4

    No thanks I don’t want no part of this.

  • @willischang6956
    @willischang6956 Рік тому +1

    Socialism works, provided all members agree to accept the life style. Smaller communities can do it much easier than a large country.

  • @akogepayo
    @akogepayo Рік тому +17

    I would love to have this in my country as well, or at least those who are passionate about this type of utopia.

  • @SummerSun-sg3wf
    @SummerSun-sg3wf 4 дні тому

    "They have to decide if they like you"

  • @granolabean1
    @granolabean1 Рік тому +4

    Sounds like the communal Mennonites and the sharing farm Amish. Not unusual my family lives this way in PA Dutch country with most circling around the church. My family is Jewish and socialist but I went to a Mennonite school. The Mennonites are basically Religious Socialist. If your Mennonite your family has to give you a Job so no worries. The church pays for everything so no worries.

    • @memenadekhanh3992
      @memenadekhanh3992 Рік тому

      can you explain how socialism has so much appeal to those type of people???

    • @granolabean1
      @granolabean1 Рік тому

      @@memenadekhanh3992 The wealthy have social capitalism. The federal reserve Is the bank they call when in trouble. More welfare goes to the top 10 percent then the bottom 90 percent. Working together as a group, as a tribe, as a family keeps power centered within the group. Think mafia, church, police unions, Ford, Vanderbilt, etc. A union is socialism and the police union or teacher union gives those in career protection. The Mennonites where I live are the power, and the protection. People join groups for protection. Social Security is Socialism. America has been a socialist nation since the 1930s and is certainly not democratic. American companies always get bail outs and tax credits. America is a Socialist Republic ruled by a connected ruling family organization with different rules for them. Mennonites are a mirror image of the ruling class as the Kibbutz is. If you get American Social Security you practice Socialism. Tax credits, tax breaks, bail outs for broken companies are all Socialist activities. Reasons enough.

  • @alexandervanwyk7669
    @alexandervanwyk7669 5 років тому +2

    Yes. Im available. I don't need money. Please invite me for a year to a Kibbutz. I want to experience the life, work and spread/teach the skills somewhere else. (I just completed a life of 30 years as an aerodynamic engineer at a research institution. NOW IM FREE

  • @sriharshacv7760
    @sriharshacv7760 Рік тому +4

    Long back, some Indian villages (only those that are homogenous in terms of caste) used to function as Kibutzes (not this glamorous but same level of emotional connect within the members). It was like socialism implemented the right away. The only thing was it couldn't support a corporate structure that is required to produce industrial scale products. I am amazed at Israelis that they are not only able to blend both, but are able to succeed in that regard.
    Most importantly, Kibbutz like communities play a very important role in safeguarding overall mental health of the individuals and is immune to negative side effects of feminism, individualism and other divisive ideologies because they are centered around practicality.

  • @claudiaangeline513
    @claudiaangeline513 4 роки тому +1

    Please what is the name of.this kibbutz in this video ...thank u.

  • @akshayoturkar3768
    @akshayoturkar3768 4 роки тому +5

    I love Israel very much 😍😍😍😍😍

  • @putridwrench
    @putridwrench 5 років тому

    Who makes the decisions? Who enforces the law? How are disputes settled? And, is this subsidized by the government? Please give us an update.

    • @guliver2559
      @guliver2559 5 років тому +2

      There are assembles in which all members need to vote, it goes after the majority, once as the Labour party was in power they subsidized the Kibbuzim, since the right parties are in power that does not exsist ay more, many Kibbuzim managed to build industries inside the Kibbuz and are self authnom other are in debt versus the banks,

  • @MymaiVlogs
    @MymaiVlogs 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks for sharing..
    See soon kibbutz 🙏🙏💗

  • @andyhawkins8762
    @andyhawkins8762 2 роки тому +3

    This isn't the same as socialism or communism. This only works when everyone wants to do it, not when it is forced by the government upon people.

    • @jackpine4347
      @jackpine4347 Рік тому

      Socialism is an economic model, not a system of government. The kibbutzim function as socialist economies.

    • @andyhawkins8762
      @andyhawkins8762 Рік тому

      @@jackpine4347 No, not really.

  • @M_J_Glide_22
    @M_J_Glide_22 Рік тому +1

    how does this work, when you own a property or a manufacturing plate/facility and it is making a ton of money...do the owners only 5000 a month like everyone else.

    • @mes382
      @mes382 Рік тому

      step 1. Steal someone else's land

    • @hunzukunz
      @hunzukunz Рік тому +2

      @@mes382 step 2: import a lot of people from Thailand (and some Africans) to do the heavy labor on the farms for you, paying them less than the minimum wage. and then act like you are all so hard working, building it all on your own.
      there is always a catch when someone tell you about a seemingly perfect community like that. always someone who is exploited.

  • @andrejondrejmiska3377
    @andrejondrejmiska3377 3 роки тому +3

    This is really perfect, want go to visit

    • @dovidell
      @dovidell 2 роки тому

      what's stopping you ?

  • @vivadz595
    @vivadz595 Рік тому +2

    Are the Kibbutz installed in the occupied territories ?

  • @DontWatchProductions
    @DontWatchProductions Рік тому +5

    Looks like a cult.

  • @Zurab_Rob
    @Zurab_Rob Рік тому

    I think Kibbutz with friends would be cool I would not mind to see my friends all day

  • @Tim48367
    @Tim48367 6 років тому +4

    What kibbutz did she go to again?

  • @johnnyc.5979
    @johnnyc.5979 Рік тому +2

    Wondering if they take messianic believers?

  • @polmacmathuna369
    @polmacmathuna369 Рік тому +4

    God save the Palestinen people 🇮🇪🇵🇸🇮🇪🇵🇸🇮🇪🇵🇸🇮🇪🇵🇸🇮🇪

  • @NorceCodine
    @NorceCodine 3 роки тому +1

    So I noticed that the guy said that even the psychologist is free... Why do you need a psychologist in paradise?

    • @AL_THOMAS_777
      @AL_THOMAS_777 Рік тому

      Because some want to be egoistic capitalists again, huh . . .

  • @aleisterlavey1001
    @aleisterlavey1001 6 років тому +3

    Sounds a lot like catalonia during the spanish civil war

  • @baji115
    @baji115 6 років тому +11

    I want to live there!

  • @narongroy4853
    @narongroy4853 10 місяців тому

    I want to learn about Kibbutz community management. Can find the guideline? Any body can suggest?

  • @silverwave0018
    @silverwave0018 4 роки тому +4

    what if someone doesnt feel life working and be a part of the kibbutz is that ok?

    • @BoundInChains
      @BoundInChains 4 роки тому +1

      I don't think that would be allowed.

    • @silverwave0018
      @silverwave0018 4 роки тому +1

      duhawma then it’s not such a good place. May sound nice but forcing people to work is just like slavery.

    • @Gideon01
      @Gideon01 4 роки тому +2

      @@silverwave0018 And how do you make a living in the city if you don't feel like working?

    • @silverwave0018
      @silverwave0018 4 роки тому

      Gideon01 maybe they’ll worked already and saved up lots of money. Or maybe they make money online and what if they don’t want to share all there money.

    • @yardeniamedia
      @yardeniamedia 4 роки тому

      No!!!

  • @jamesrice6096
    @jamesrice6096 Рік тому +2

    Wow! I had thought it was just a small group of houses.
    This model would have a hard time working in America.
    On one hand you have greed and on the other you have freeloaders.
    I can't imagine any doctor in the US that would willingly live next to a gardener and make the same income. But then, higher degrees are handed out on the US without the people actualy being able to do anything.