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You don't look the big picture. You only look a case by case. 1. In the court reveal Kakao Talk history that Min Hee Jin plan to attack Hybe and takeover Ador. She talked to her shaman, a director from Ador (ex. employee of Kakao), former Kakao CEO about it. 2. Kakao CEO arrested by the police because of SM stock manipulation, so Hybe failed to be majority of SM shareholder. 3. SM paid influencer to attack Hybe during stock manipulation. 4. After first press conference from Min Hee Jin, attacking to Hybe increase significantly. 5. There are online forum from Min Hee Jin fans with purpose to manipulate public opinion. 6. Jurnalist who wrote article to manipulate New Jeans sales in Japan, now became the director of Kakao Mobility. 7. Mainstream South Korea media hates Hybe. JTBC wrote fake news about Suga but only recieved light punishment. 8. Min Hee Jin have connection with politician from Democratic party. The politician pressured Hybe. 9. NCT fan pretending to be ARMY and sent protest truck to Hybe for Suga leave BTS. 10. Etc. Do you see the big picture?
Seems like you have missing quite some info here, including the fact that it was MHJ who delay the debut of NJ, not hybe. There are some comments here pointed out this, you can check it out, and maybe correct your point in your future video.
Katseye should be included considering the controversy around Manon, but I don't know many people will want to deal with her fans if you point out fair criticism of her. The situation is a lot like Wonhee's except I actually think Wonhee is more naturally talented. Manon has made numerous mistakes despite technically being trained far longer, depending on how many practices she actually missed since we don't know for sure how much practice she actually went to... regardless, she's missed her opening cue in actual live perfs, not just on variety shows, etc. But then on Weekly Idol, if you watch the vid of them just doing choreo for their episode from just the front camera angle, she's absolutely horrible for most of it... not just a mistake here and there.
You should make one for fromis_9. Their journey is pretty insane if your look into it. Filled with controversy, mistreatment and always getting shafted by any company they are in yet are still top of the charts. Nuts how they are still here after everything
all these million seller groups crying about mistreatment when fromis, the real ones being mistreated and all these hybe stans act like they dont exist
I love Fromis_9 but I haven’t heard much about their history. I know it took very long for them to get their recent comeback but that’s about all I know
Fr like why are they kept in the dungeon when they clearly can earn the company millions of dollars like… do these companies want to go broke just to abandon a clearly million selling group that is clearly popular in Asia but still turn a blind eye against them like…
@@바보Queenso only one group can be mistreated? Just because fromis is being mistreated means that other groups can't come out about their mistreatment?
I just find it sad that the adults in the room can't even handle this privately. Lesserafim, Illit and Newjeans should never be in the middle of this. And yet they are. 😮💨
I support LS. but they need to get their sh*t together long term. Cringy when they do the girl cry to move the conversation along. Crazy and 800 are A+ first step.
Thank you for posting this!!! People need to see how 'hate netizens', toxic netizens try to play God. Having legit complaints is one but damn, bullying to the point of causing folks to of self harm is insane! It's like a damn competition out there!
Netizens are the worst honestly. The level of fan bullying I've seen in Kpop is unbelievable. They are the worst type of fans yet never take accountability for how vile they are.
Agree… all are based on MHJs opinion.. to begin with.. it was MHJ who started all this drama to all hybe gg just to prove that NJ is the best… pathetic… the world already knows. MHJ and SM/Kakao best collab ever.. they always want hybe downfall. Jealousy at its finest.
@@nicolechristine8764So Hybe basically let in a obvious SM spies, the kpop music corps drama sounds like different countries trying to tear each other down and SM is like the USSR while Hybe is the US and are in a cold war between each other 😂💀
I think MHJ is using NJ as her mouthpiece, which is disgusting really. Also the Lesserafim controversy to me is a non-issue as I don't think it is a coincidence Lesserafim's problems come out just when MHJ start going crazy. Ultimately it is unfortunate as all these GG members are still so young and being used as pawns by the adults.
WHOAAAA! What are these new camera angles, cuts, outfits, and makeup?! Hope you continue to keep pushing your creativity like this-it's so much fun to watch! 💖💖💖 I almost spitted out my drink when you dressed up like MHJ! 😂
The tiktok situation isn't Hybe's doing. MHJ has always been pretty clear in wanting to separate NewJeans from the rest of the Hybe groups even before this whole MHJ vs Hybe incident began. She's the one who refuses to allow the girls to do tiktoks with the other Hybe groups (including the newer ones like TWS, BND, and &TEAM) outside of the few that they have done with the BTS members, some SVT members, and some TXT & Enhypen members. She is also the one who wanted NewJeans to have their own separate communication App called 'Phoning' so the group wouldn't have to be on Weverse. And then let's not forget the recent Hybe x Grammy's Museum incident, where she rejected to have NewJeans showcased in the museum like the other Hybe groups because she believed that NewJeans (a rookie group) deserves to have a more prominent & bigger section of the museum than BTS & Seventeen (the two biggest groups in Hybe, and longest active groups in Hybe), and Bang Pd (the literal founder of Hybe), and because Grammys refused to allow that (for valid reasons) she declined to have NewJeans be showcased there. I am not a Hybe supporter, but it has been very clear that the person who has indeed been actively trying to separate the girls from the rest of Hybe is Min Heejin. [EDITED] - fixed some grammatical errors and added a bit more context.
@@booqqa This is one of the main issues I have with MHJ and even the NJ girls. Like, why are you (MHJ & the NJ) shocked that people in the same building as you do not want to interact with or be around you when you yourself have gone to great lengths to separate yourself from them from the start? Why are you shocked and offended that a manager is telling a bunch of teenage girls to ignore you (for their safety & peace of mind) after you have openly shown your support (and declared your love) to the very woman who has terrorized them and caused them mental pain since their debut? It's very odd for them to be acting this shocked to seeing their actions have consequences.
Did MHJ "say" that she wanted NJ to have "a more prominent section of the museum" or is it "assumed" that is why she did not want to participate? All HYBE said was that each subsidiary had the choice to participate or not and ADOR chose not to go. Neither ADOR nor HYBE gave further explanation on the subject but stans sure did and those speculations have now turned into facts. MHJ did say that she did not want NJ to use some of HYBE more shadowy accounting schemes to tweak sales and she did not want the girls to just sit around; she wanted them to tour to gain performance experience and up their popularity numbers. That being said, I don't remember MHJ "saying" that she keeps NJ away from other HYBE groups purposely; again is it just "assumed" because it is the only "logical" explanation that conveniently makes her the problem everyone wants her to be? As for Weverse: when HYBE bought and banished VLive (a more superior app used by rival label groups) and offered Weverse to the industry as an alternative, other labels, if they could afford it, chose to have their own communication app to avoid having their content hijacked by the company (the groups lost all of their content (years worth) to new owner HYBE). Seeing that it is now an industry standard for a successful/profitable label to control its own communication app ADOR having its own app is not so strange. Seems everyone has a problem with MHJ exerting decision making control over ADOR, its operations, its content, its brand, and the direction of its talent even though she was made CEO to do just that.
@@boohangyu_sunshine So you believe NJ claims but you feel they deserve it...OK at least you are honest. Also, stans "terrorized" the teenagers and they were doing it with gusto for a myriad of reasons before the MHJ/HYBE dust up was made public last spring.
@@boohangyu_sunshine I think you got the timeline a bit mixed up. NewJeans spoke out 3 months after the incident. The other time they directly showed support for Min Heejin was when Hanni switched her status a week prior. The livestream they made was the aftermath of that incident.
for those who are confused, the gap between fromis latest comeback and the comeback before that was not just long but also controversial on its own rights. in a run about way, its a ploy to waste time and just wait till the group's contract ended. it took multiple members with individual live streams to vocalize their concerns, with one member being straight forward with her words, then an organize protests by the fans was held. even with that, the only reason hybe really responded was mostly because all their other girl groups are already on fire and they needed to control fromis and flovers as swift as possible. that comeback, though i am super thankful for it and i consider it as one of the best fromis album, that album was hurriedly done. which proves further that there really was no plans for fromis_9 for the entirety of 2024. there were no pre-selected tracks, no planned concert or guestings, contents were drying down quick, nothing. "but they just had a comeback womp womp" and thats the thing, if flover dont continuously pressure hybe, theres nothing anymore again and its another race to waste time till the contract ends if that winter comeback dont come.....
NJ did dance challenges with BTS members but also MHJ complained the NJ members were in a BTS video before debut. You can't have it both ways. NJ is mainly seen with other agency idols. MHJ seems to have wanted to isolate NJ from HYBE from the beginning, they don't even use WeVerse they developed their own. It sort of validates the idea of MHJ's plan to takeover Ador and leave HYBE with NJ
@@KingoftheJiangl The decision to delete V Live content wasn’t based on Weverse simply “wanting to.” Instead, it involved complex issues like licensing and data management, which affected Weverse’s ability to host V Live’s extensive content library. Since many V Live videos were owned by different entertainment agencies, Weverse couldn’t automatically transfer everything without specific permissions or contracts from each agency involved.
I mean she’s justified in wanting to take NewJeans (NJ was her idea, HYBE was sabotaging, etc) but she violated company policy soooo, yeah it’s a lose lose for everyone involved and it sucks
The curse continues, I guess, and it's so sad thinking that the careers of the girls from the 3 groups are in shambles because the adults who are supposed to help them with their dreams just can't handle arguments and drama like adults should be.
@@Player-pr2zy did they? I don't understand Hybe stans, they pump so much money into every group. Big 4 stans don't even see it. If any group is mistreated it's fromis, and that probably Pledis' choice as they wanna make room for a new gg (idk if the trainee team still exists but it did at least a year ago)
As an ex-kpop fan…one of the main things that contributed to me no longer being apart of the fandom was this toxicity right here!! The unwarranted hatred, bullying and self-righteousness these “fans” depicted is just sickening. And God forbid you have an opposing opinion on a subject that everyone is up in arms about….you’ll be bullied into oblivion.
and that most people cant connect the fact that at the end of the day, idol groups is a form of show business. and that businesses can use social media to sway opinions left and right.. this hybe issue for example is a perfect example of overblown office politics blown to media warfare. since both sides cant control the other, they go to public. and no, its not just the presscons. anyone here on the comments sections or other platforms may just be bots or profilers thats deployed to swing social media opinions their way. those businesses turned the whole controversy into a social persecution and that exactly was what they wanted. if you are a human being, its best to stop consuming this type of content. let them battle themselves out the court or however they want next till one side quits
@@BlessinginBloom i'm curious now, don't u find everything so annoying, weird and cringe now? It all seems so fake, boring, same, and just, plain. The lyrics r all meaningless. And FRICKING minors just being there looking pretty without any talent at all. And don't even get me started on the controversies, just thinking about them makes me feel like I'm gonna lose my mind.
@@Snowflake765-n3i Oh I do. The spark that it had before is just gone. None of the new & upcoming groups have that spark in my opinion. Plus the already existing groups that are there have lost that pizzazz for me. I’m not even going to get into the lyrics of songs. Plus the over sexualization is just wild. I get it’s the entertainment industry but they make it so easy for the minors to be preyed on. And the controversies 😮💨😮💨😮💨….im surprised they’re still able to produced groups cause from what I’m seeing now some groups already have controversy before debuting
If you go by facts, its clear that nwjns debut was much much more expensive than lsfm's debut. Lsfm got only 1 MV for their debut EP and that too was filmed in a gym whereas nwjns got 6 MVs for their debut EP and many of them were filmed oversees. They also got their own app called 'phoning'. So the question is, why would hybe spend so much money on a girl group they don't think will succeed?? Also it was MHJ herself who isolated nwjns from other hybe group. She wanted that exclusive image for nwjns
I think it was because of MHJ. MHJ was kind of big and more experienced since she worked in sm, so Hybe trusted her.MHJ must have demanded several mvs. I think Le sserafim was going to have one more comeback but it didn't happened due to Garam scandal.
@@bi111ieluvbot haters need to worry about stable mental health. you understand there is something wrong with you? normal people don't behave like this.
i think the reason the Coachella performance for Le Sserafim was such a big deal was because a lot of kpop fans are getting much more critical with companies debuting idols who aren’t ready simply for visuals. obviously, this has existed since the beginning of kpop, but it has become a much more prevalent issue in 4th and 5th gen than it was in other generations. a lot of fans, especially international fans, are tired of hearing “they’re improving” when these idols should have improved already. it’s the entire point of training. so, when Le Sserafim comes out on stage and bombs, everyone uses it as further evidence of how the kpop industry has begun to promote visuals far more than singing, dancing, or rapping. i’m not blaming Le Sserafim entirely for this, but this is just one of the main reasons i saw that people felt far more passionate about this than other idols who can’t sing.
It's also just unfair bc a lot of nugu groups have insane vocals, they wouldn't survive without at least a few outstanding vocalists (see Mamamoo who only had their vocals to get further). But these groups will never ever get the chance to even look at Coachella. Aespa got a lot of hate too for their performance but at least they could sing and got insanely good over the last year. And the criticism towards Le Sserafim was actually mostly valid. It's harsh for the members but I felt like they didn't see anything wrong with their singing. I felt like this was a thing where the company just blamed all the "bad haters" whilst not working on the group sound and singing at all. It just left a bad taste in my mouth bc companies just LOVE to mix us in with genuine idiots. Like when you criticise the debut of idols under 18 but people call *you* a weirdo? To add to the insult, they won a few music shows with Crazy but didn't even do any encores bc they knew it was gonna be bad (they smartly scheduled the US activities during the time). Like do Hybe fans even understand that many groups don't get that many wins to improve? But Hybe stans seem to be the most entitled anyway, the NJ situation has shown it pretty well. It seems to be a general issue with the training that Hybe idols can't sing but it's not like the label can't change that. Source produced Gfriend. Anyway I'm mostly just sad for them, looking at groups like Nmixx who have such a joy for music and always get even better each cb, I wonder how much else Le Sserafim can do. They pretty much hit a musical ceiling, and they're barely in the 3rd year. Even if you enjoy the more performance heavy music, you can't disagree that they can't do much beyond that vocally. Again comparing to aespa who did insane music this year. Or if you wanna look at another performance heavy group, Itzy doesn't have the vocals of a generation. But much like Nmixx, they really started training on singing while dancing and it shows. ILLIT hopefully gets proper training, they have the same issues and immediately after debut. And this is not hate, like don't you guys want Sakura to be able to do an encore without having a panic attack on stage? Atp she's gonna be on the songs even less, she already is as per get request (or so fearless have said).
@@moongirl8807Lol. You are surely like to pull out things out from your ass. They did not avoid the encore by going to the us. The girls did 1 week promotion where they did not win any music shows for the first week (they are nominated but sadly lose). The us schedule have been planned far ahead. They released the album on friday targeting us market. You expect them to not promote in the us?
this is where Kpop fans get it wrong with Le Sserafim and Coachella. you guys say they bombed, but the people who where in Coachella said they where great. people already had biased opinion of Le Sserafim and the hate train was fresh during that time. no matter how good they where, people will only clip parts that sounded bad
This doesn't mean that the hate they received was deserved at all though (hate, not criticism- which was deserved). An even larger issue is kpop fans being unable to distinguish between literal bullying and criticism, and Le Sserafim's case isn't the first time this happened. Look at the hate trains against aespa, Itzy, and IVE in 2021, 2022, and 2023 respectively. aespa was criticized for not singing live, having poor stage presence, and Giselle for saying a racial slur during "Savage" era. What started off as criticism turned into comments about Giselle's body and appearance, completely false rumors about Karina and Winter's pre-debut era, and racist comments toward Ningning from Korean netizens. In Itzy's case, what started off as criticism for "Sneakers" and "Boys Like You" as songs turned into very gross comments about Yuna's body, Chaeryeong's appearance, Lia's dancing and singing, and Ryujin's vocal tone. All four of them got d- threats over two songs that people didn't like. Lia had to go on a 10-month hiatus after being diagnosed with anxiety disorder because of all that, and people called her a "baby" and "childish". In IVE's case, Wonyoung was called a "pick-me" just like Yuna and also received threats for literally acting cutely, and all the other members except Liz were criticized (but of course, later bullied) for their poor live singing. All of these disgusting comments and posts towards these people got millions of views and likes. It's so blatantly obvious kpop fans need a girl group (never a boy group) to scrutinize and bully every year. What's the point of bullying innocent people and masking actually valid criticism like that? What was the goal of all these hate trains then? This year it was Le Sserafim and ILLIT's turn, next year it'll be someone else. Why does nobody learn from history? What if something worse could've happened to Lia? Criticism is given with the intent of wanting someone to improve, and 70% of what I saw happening towards aespa, Itzy, IVE, Le Sserafim, and ILLIT was not criticism. The fact that Le Sserafim and ILLIT get more hate than Taeil, a literal criminal, is wild.
You call New Jeans "ostracized" but it was Min Hee Jin who decided this and didn't want her group attached to any other group within HYBE. She even had HYBE create a different app for New Jeans instead of them using Weverse like everyone else. Her plan from the start was to use HYBE'S money to establish her own label and remove it from under them.
okay but how is that NJs fault? they are still being avoided when it isn't their fault. NJs expressing that they want her back is prob bc she was the only adult that wouldn't ignore them.
@@bbyblue2001 They’re publicly supporting the very reason Le sserafim & Illit (especially Illit) hate increased tenfold. Illit almost received a Black Ocean being accused of being bullies to NewJeans, especially Hanni, when there is ZERO proof that’s true.
Yes, the fact that MHJ was the one to delay NJ's debut, that she never denied her texts where she mentions NJs members in a derogatory way, that she has ignored the plagiarism accusations against NJs (from a Mexican pop group, a J-pop group, a British pop group), and that she is has 5 different lawsuits going on against her at this moment. A+ cosplay, BTW. The MHJ one made me 😂
I would like to add that Hybe did make a statement about why Newjeans moved to Ador. They claim, that the group was ready to go and intended to debut as a 7 member group in the 3rd quater of 2021. Because MHJ was the creative director and thus owned all the copyright, she had to sign off on this debut. At the same time, Sakura and Chaewon joined the company and Source started working on a new group for them to be in which was at the time known as Team S. However MHJ had decided at this time, that as she belived she was doing all the work for NJ that she should get more out of her contract, she threatened to leave with nothing and continued to delay the debut of the group, which caused Hybe to finally give in and give her the sub label she so wanted. However where the conflict comes in is that Source was promised to debut the first Hybe girl group, which is the main reason they abruptly disbanded GFriend. Source music execs were obviously pissed that all their resources going to waste and so pushed the debut of Le Sserafim up, and to honour this contract made with Source, Hybe insisted that MHJ wasn't allowed to debut her group until after Source music. This would have caused more animosity between the labels if Ador was sitting on a girl group waiting on source and so Le Sserafim ended up being rushed, which is arguably why the Garam scandal was as big as it was and some of the girls lack training upon debut. Then MHJ was very shading and jumped straight onto the debut as soon as she was able, skipping the pre-debut period and even the debut announcement.
I didn't even know that but I had predicted ( just recently)that they had to had problems before debut and was already at each other throats before this situation because they came out of nowhere and hybe usually do countdowns for debuts on their main channel and maybe since then ,they haven't been on good terms with mhj and new jeans , and I predicted mhj prob wanted to debut nwjns at a different time than hybe terms and went ahead and did it by herself
@@Stay_Zerose I think hyein was added after ador was created and 2 of the trainees were eliminated. Plus when nwjn was created even mini was a minor. There were no adults.. hence were groomed easily by mhj.
The funny thing about the Coachella performance is that almost everyone who was actually at Coachella was like the performance was great and everyone had a good time. It’s mostly people who weren’t there that are mad. I don’t care if there are other controversies them singing bad while fully dancing hard choreo is not that serious.
I think they’re just bad at managing in general. Their claim to fame is BTS. Every group after that has gained attention for solely being under the BTS label. BTS essentially don’t need management because their fandom will eat literally anything up, but that’s because they’re an established senior group now. HYBE has waaaaaay too many new groups (under 3 years old) at the same time, which already shows bad management. They wanted to dominate the industry quickly instead of over time.
agreed! After the internal doucments were leaked by HYBE i can clearly say now that I DONT SUPPORT HYBE but i support all hybe artists. I feel bad for all hybe artist to undergo such treatment esp Le sserafim, Illit and newjeans.
The whole MHJ scandal is WILD. Like every day you hear a new thing she said and just sit there and go "Well she's not going to win people over with that." The whole situation feels like mom (MHJ) and dad (BSH) are getting a divorce and the kids (NJ) are stuck in the middle and both their parents kind of suck. and the NJ members certainly aren't helping themselves at all in this situation. I feel bad because they're all so young and have pretty obviously been failed by like all the adults in their lives. I'm just surprised that in all this people aren't bringing up more all of her controversies from when she was with SM. I didn't even get into kpop until 2021 but even I know about how much shawols HATE her and for good reason. Maybe I'd have more sympathy for her if I hadn't heard all of her sordid past. Like we all been knew she was a snake, just now everyone's waking up to it.
@Yo99753 Oh absolutely it does get brought up but it seems to be way more prevelent in some circles than others. I saw so much mention of it when Cookie came out but during this whole NJ scandal it's way less and there are definitely a lot of people that still have no idea. I told a friend about MHJ's past like last week and she was absolutely horrified.
@@Soppon Oh, I got your point now. I remember everyone mentioning her having creepy photos in Reddit, but no one brought up her Sm controversies. And this was during Nwjns scandal.
@@mari-bc1fcsadly it is originated from NewJeans fans. LSF and ILLIT fans originally never had problem with NewJeans but after MHJ things broke out. Many NewJeans fans are bashing LE SSERAFIM and ILLIT after continuous dramas happening right now.
@@mari-bc1fc so you will never blame a arsonist committing arson out of nowhere but will blame a firefighter who failed to control the fire in the right time right??????? Hope you can think straight.
The NJ situation is so wild considering how it ended today. MHJ ended up taking an even worse offer from HYBE than their OG olive branch. MHJ keeps her control over NJ, NJ members are happy to have her back, and HYBE has rendered MHJ non threatening. This debacle could have been so easily avoided.
I'm a BTS fan and I will never ever be a new jeans fan again Some of those girls idolize that bitchy lady CEO . Watch Hannah During court little girl is a brat brainwash brat
Wait! Did mhj actually accept the board of directors position? Coz I haven't heard that yet. All I've heard is that she was voted back onto the board of directors, not that she accepted.
Technically Hybe always planned to Debut 2 girl groups Team N and Team S which was New Jeans and Le Sserafim but NJ debut kept getting delayed because MHJ wanted more parts and rights for creating and managing the group to the point she wasn't even doing her job and despite HYBE constantly asking her for confirmation and preparations were going she kept delaying and delaying to the point that several months past, HYBE and Bang PD has shown receipts for as well as emails and msg where MHJ delayed NJ's debut to the point where they were going to be delayed until the end of the year which was way to close to the Group debut of Group S
she has major beef with le sserafim bruh i thought it was conspiracy theory, but i found out she was throwing tantrums ever since sakura and chaewon were signed with hybe. she did NOT want another hybe gg to debut
@@booqqa Same. My initial reaction was, "Stop dragging Le sserafim into your mess!" But also, I don't understand why MHJ didn't make a fuss in the beginning.
I think MHJ wanted to separate NJ from Hybe from the beginning after conflict from debut. And it seems she has fed to the girls and the parents from the beginning that Hybe hates them and is out to get them. But if that was the case they wouldn't have set up ADOR to begin with. BPD may have been prideful but so is MHJ. She wants to do it all herself. Other Hybe group members were listening to, promoting NJ in their own ways before all this, I think she just didn't want them to be associated with the company in anyway. If she really cared about NJ, she would be encouraging them to move on without her and supporting them from afar but she hasn't and remind them issues they have occurred when SHE was the CEO.
The evidence that shew as trying to leave was deemed insufficient by the judge. Why are you guys still pushing this? If BPD is prideful, what makes you think that he would treat them any better after all of this? If she really cared about the girls she would try to fight and make sure that they are treated well within the company after all this, even if it means destroying her public image like you guys are doing now lol. And the girls know that without her, their initial vision of the group would be tainted by whatever HYBE is planning for them. HYBE can never achieve the same legacy/achievements for NewJeans that MHJ did and the girls know that, they weren't "taught" anything.
BPD is a very jealous and envious person. He supported MHJ initially but became angry when NJ was so successful thanks to MHJ despite the fact that he sees her as being lesser than himself. "Why should someone lesser than me be more successful?" This is the thought process of somebody entitled and envious. Inheriting wealth and position does not create competence, only hard work does. The amount of envy this guy has caused him to act in ways characteristic of a small person. If he wants to feel valuable, all he can do is be more honest with himself and accept reality instead of creating problems for people he is jealous of. This can only lead to more suffering
The thing with Coachella is that every Korean artist who performed there this year has shared how difficult it was. Ateez said they were hyperventilating after their set. The Rose just shared that the desert was so hard that their throat were closing up after their first song. Yes, Le Sserafim aren’t the strongest group vocally, but that’s not the main reason why people enjoy their performances. Their energy, stage presence and strong performances are why they are loved and invited to Coachella. I didn’t expect them to go to Coachella and sing like Mamamoo because that’s not their strength. I knew they would bring the hype energy and the live audience would have a great time and they did. They have now quietly worked hard to improve their performance skills and manage their energy to have the stamina and be vocally strong throughout their sets always using handheld mics.
they are singers, its their fucking job to sing. if I got paid thousands for a job, i'd work day and night to be the best. yall making excuses is why they r all so fucking lazy. ok maybe the cochella situation can be excused but what about their encours?? they are so bad that smn like me who continuously hyped them up in their debut era and over looked stuff, could not bring myself to sympathise with them.
I love when you cover these type of K-pop video's. It's both so informative and messy. You actually took the time to research and break it down by summarize it so easily so that viewer can easily understand what's going on with these often conundrum of happenings in the East Asian music industry. And lmfao @ the details of you changing clothes according to the subject matter.
NJ's debut was only delayed bc of MHJ. It's weird that you don't mention that. MHJ literally refused to work, which is what delayed NJ debut. They would have debuted before LSF if she had actually worked, like at all. She didn't respond to colleagues for months. LSF team actually worked to debut. Again, it's weird that you don't mention that at all. No one beside's MHJ sabotaged NJ debut
I do get so annoyed when folks wanna bring up Coachella but majority who do (fyi, not talking about this content creator) they admit they never watched the entire 40 minute performance. They admit they never saw how well they started and only choked towards the end with two songs. It wasn’t that bad and they’ve all proven they can sing. Plenty of times but esp recently. And folks refuse to accept that. The improvements were mostly breathing stability and not going so damn hard on choreography. LE SSERAFIM have never been one to release music that were ONLY vocally driven. At all. It’s like, every album there’s a song that’s vocally driven but that’s not what they do for their title tracks. Talking shit without doing your own research and not listening to the hate train would mean actually using your brain and critical thinking skills. Kazuha has such a beautiful voice. Eunchae has such a beautiful tone. Sakura doubts herself because people don’t know how to guide her in the right way but she also has such a great voice. Yunjin and Chaewon are beyond amazing at what they do. Proven once again, time after time after time. Illit deserved NONE of the hate they got. Idc if you think their vocals are crap (which if you did your research, you’d see that isn’t true), it does NOT warrant the disgusting hatred they received. And when it comes to MHJ and hybe - MHJ is worse. She laid out all her plans and it was exposed.. people have hated that woman since she was in SM but my gah what people forget on purpose is mind blowing I tell ya. Hybe could do so much better in a lot of areas no doubt but MHJ is worse. And I’m glad she’s not winning, not getting her way. And I have zero sympathy for newjeans these days. Had they actually spoke out for their own safety and rights, the supposed bad treatment that I don’t think actually exists (btw, come with actual proof they haven’t mentioned or shown yet, I’ll gladly admit I was wrong or change my opinion) I’d be on their side. But the first thing they did was demand MHJ her ceo position back or else. That was bold but idiotic. They have no power over hybe. NONE. So whatever happens to their career from here on out is only on them. The National Assembly was just a joke too. Those assembly members were already on hanni’s side with very obvious bias. It led to nothing new being told. It’s always “they ignored me” or “didn’t greet me”. Disrespectful? Absolutely can be due to Korean culture. But bullying? Hell no. She wasn’t brave. But I gather that was the plan (imho) but it kinda backfired. I’m just glad MHJ has zero power to do anything. She had a great contract to manage the girls and ador however she pleased but fucked it all up by planning to try to take ador from hybe. Something she didn’t own. She got money from hybe bank but hated they got any profit from newjeans once they were bringing in all that money. She purposely kept newjeans separate from hybe and at the beginning folks loved that and now that hybe doesn’t include them in hybe group things people get mad. Like pick a side, pick a struggle people.. so I trust hybe has a plan. They never attack head on giving up what they have in their hand. Always silently doing what needs to be done. And let’s be real, they’ve brought all the receipts they’ve needed while MHJ side likes using media and public opinion/sympathy. I wish for hybe to clean itself up, make things better for all… sure as hell doesn’t mean I don’t see MHJ for what she is. Idk why her past isn’t coming back to haunt her but she is going against hybe and folks have wished for their downfall since hybe was created. MHJ can try but she will fail. Esp seeing as she can’t stop talking. I’ll be glad when all of this is over and legally done too. And like I said, show me actual proof of both doing something they shouldn’t have - I’ll listen. I don’t care for “I think..” or “I feel..”. I want facts. And hybe has more of those than MHJ. Which is wild cuz she started this and her proof has been almost not even existed. Anyways, I’ve got plenty to look forward to with hybe groups/artists the next few weeks. I’m just happy they’re doing what they love despite the tension inside the company due to MHJ. And yes, some of hybe too. I know they ain’t great but they ain’t evil. Not even the worst company to exist. Like that’s just being dramatic to be dramatic.
Can I just say...99% of groups don't even get the chance to have such a terrible Coachella performance, bc they don't have the connections and money to attend. They also don't get the chance of like 30 encores to show their improved singing (which conveniently wasn't done for Crazy as they were in the US). Just something to think about. So happy that they improve, but a nugu group would've not made it with those skills. Looking left and right can sometimes really help to put things into perspective. I do agree on NJ but don't even get into that drama. It'll make you mad. The fans have learnt from the best, MHJ. Hybe money is good enough to catapult them to the top, but once MHJ doesn't get her way it's suddenly bad. I legit saw people saying they would've made it this big without Hybe. But I don't blame them, many don't understand how investments work. Especially Hybe stans that have to get used to being big 4 and still talk like they're an underdog company. I think they just reappointed MHJ as a director? Honestly she probably can't sue but her contract must be good or they are afraid of something, bc otherwise she's a PR nightmare not worth keeping. NJ activities are halted now too so what's the point? Well NJ is bound to the company so maybe they're afraid that once they kick MHJ out completely it'll go down. It's a lose lose, imo they probably wanna sit this out until ILLIT is as big and NJ kinda forgotten (people did get bored with their sound already), so that they can then disband them once the contract is over. The other options are not as great, letting members go would be terrible as they could re-form and make money with Hybe not getting anything from their investment, but cutting MHJ loose will probably make her go completely off the rails (if that's even possible). It's a lose lose for Hybe, but honestly since bunnies hate them anyway they can do whatever (bunnies that have stayed, I saw many leaving the fandom after the slander of Le Sserafim and ILLIT).
I choose an aleatory video of Coachella. It was third hand embarrasment. And I doubt that if they can not sing standing they could sing dancing. Then, what most of people that defend them is ignoring is the letter of Sakura and the middle finger. That is what broke all hell loose. If that is their answer toward people talking about an awful performance, before that point things were bussiness as usual, only their fans were expecting them to slay that stage but they did that... I need to know no more about them and their personalities. Funny, most idols after a mistake cry, apologize towards their fans and promise to work on it. I think the first two are not necesary. Most idols usually do not trow middle fingers to the people that paid a small fortune to watch a third hand embarrasment stage. I can not even imagine to do that to any of my clients even when they are being rude and insulting me for something over that I have no power or inference. That is the problem with those women, not the lack of skills nor the clear rise of fame powered by the millions of Hybe, it is their attitude. MHJ just trowed fuel to it. Do I hate them? No but, I have no sympaty for them neither, over the point of their lack of skills, I would never condone them nor anyone to be hated for the convinience of people more powerfull than them.
Something I will never understand about K-pop companies is the concept of disbanding a group in order to debut a new one. Like, has no one told them they can keep both groups? You can make more money with two successful groups instead of one? Am I missing something here? Because I genuinely don’t get the logic. 😂
To be honest, I find the Hybe-Min Heejin situation hilarious. I think they're both saying the truth about eachother: Min Heejin did try to get outside investors, Bang PD was jealous of her. It can all be true at the same time. As for the New Jeans members, they're young and impressionable. They had way too little time in the entertainment industry to be talking like that in that live. They behaved as if Min Heejin cares so much about them- whereas, she would probably also ignore them in the future when the new trend emerges. Min Heejin is not their mom so she would care unconditionally. It's really sad that they were manipulated this way. And that workplace harassment claim... why are people acting like everyone needs to like them? Yes it sucks, but naming one instance of one person not liking you is honestly hilarious. But they're kids, so I see how this can affect them. Illit being a copy of New Jeans, this one is an interesting claim. Isn't that like a trend, to keep copying concepts? Like aespa was accused of copying Blackpink back at their debut. Blackpink had 2ne1 reject songs, Red Velvet had fx reject songs. People keep following trends so this claim is a bit much. And HYBE definitely isn't some fairy tale land. It's all business. But to see a freaking corporation have this amount of public meltdowns honestly speaks a lot on the energy in the workplace. Why can't people sit in a room, and discuss everything respectfully? It's work, not freaking family dynamics, and there really should be no place for this to happen.
Fromis9 is still going strong with no Huge controversies. The only thing I can think of was some rigging in the lineup since they are from a survival show but multiple survival show groups are like that so I don't think it's too huge. The only bad thing is how they don't have many comebacks. They are neglected which is ironic since they are the least problematic HYBE girl group, but I assume it could be more of a PLEDIS problem and not a HYBE problem.
Copying a succesfull style is not new, like kpop was always liek that if something works people start copying it, not sure why it would be something new. MHJ seems to be delulu. Maybe BSH and MHJ really hate each other but it sound so stupid
cannot wait for the ploopy video about the hybe audit with new things coming out every day. Sadly we know its going to take a long time because things are literally still coming out, madness
It was between just hybe/mhj I think people tend to forget that newjeans Inserted.themselves with the press conference they first had , trying to defend mhj on their behalf , and giving hybe an ultimatum, thats hiw the situation became mhj vs hybe to mhj/newjeans vs hybe/ador
The most problematic thing about all of this is that ILLIT,Lesserafim and New Jeans members are getting massive hate. I hope the so called “fans” control themselves and start acting in a civil way. ILLIT, Lesserafim and New Jeans members are people (like everyone of us) and they don’t deserve all the hate they are getting.
Haters are thete even without this drama. They have IQ of -3 so pay no attention to them. Illit was made as a copy of NJ because Hybe knows they have to take NJ down cause they are loyal to MHJ. Just like they wanted MHJ to make NJ a copy of Aespa to "crush them" which MHJ did not do so Lesserafim would debut urgently, unprepared. LS's Garam was sacrified for LS's popularity. They could easily prove Garam's innocence but they didnt cayse, once again (in the leaked documents they said), it worked for Aespa's Karina, they believe. Above are facts but no hate to any of the girls, they are just girls who want to sing and dance and be popular. Hybe is treating them like disposable objects.
The first time I heard Illit, I loved their music (I still do, guilty pleasure) because I thiught they sounded very much like NJ. I thought it was NJ he first time i heard it lol. Very fresh, very light. So I was surprised when I discovered they are from the same parent company...do you know the only instances when a company does a "copy" of their own group? 1. When the group has disbanded. 2. When the group is flopping. ...none of which applies to NJ so Illit's concept similarity is because Hybe has been planning this all along. I think they are mad ar MHJ for veto-ing their "suggestions", so when she held a meeting telling Belift and Hybe they cannot go on with the same concept, Belift and Hybe said NO 😂😂 I wouldnt be so guilty loving Illit's music if it was a Nugu from another company or just even if they were a group from another company. Cause concepts can be shared, heck, MHJ should be flattered cause her vision is leading a trend BUT I know she knows she was about to be trashed away.
While I understand New Jeans loyalty, and yes, they have made HYBE bank, but they have just destroyed their careers. Depending no how petty HYBE is they may hold them to their contact until it is up. Also, have we not forgot all the concerns around MHJ when NJ started? Like shrooming, and what is NJ YOUNG😳
Bruh newjeans is the biggest gg in korea and abroad they’re fine doing many brand deals and such. And with them rehiring mhj it seems to be going in their favor
@@gorge6885nah they are not doing good in both korea and abroad after all this controversy. Yes people do know them bt international fans already turning back on them. Many koreans moving on with other gg. Moreover they don't have stable fandom like bts or bp has. And mhj is not getting back as ceo . She is just internal director. She is now controlling by both hybe and ador. She do have 4 to 5 law suits then she will get fired by hybe. After all this NJ is the one who get awkward in staying in company.
Stay in a company that mistreat you just for your career Is exactly what allows that the mistreatment keep going (and this not only apply to kpop, but every job and even relationships). If a person feel mistreated in their job they have to talk and sale this, if you keep quiete you just allow this to keep happen to you and to other poeple. If we want to stop mistreatment in the kpop industry we shpuld support the idols who speak and boicot the companies. If NJ or any group end their career just for speak then is the fans fault for not keep supporting them just for not being under their beloved company.
@@seemats3493Agree actually. I think their fans maybe still rank them top 3 but based on the last year, I can see a shift. Also, I truly truly think a lot of their fans were BTS fans. Once BTS was brought up negatively, I could see a shift in their stats. You can look at the last singles, it’s obvious a big chunk of fans dropped off. Mostly international fans. The top based on stats rn would be Aespa, LSF, Kiss of Life, ILLIT, Babymonster mainly overseas, IVE, NJ. Not in that order but I def have the first two as a ranking 🤔 NJ is not in that top 3, ILLIT will rank higher than them. Also because ILLIT is also a Hybe group, and now former fans or neutral have a another calm, laid back,chill sound from an alternative group, ppl who now dislike NJ have no problem turning to ILLIT since they know they’ll get some similar music. (Not to say they sound similar but they both have a chill vibe so it’s relaxing to hear, like how IU and Leehi have a soft, smooth sound but sound different). Brand deals can only get you so far as a K-pop idol and I hope ppl realize that. NJ are no Bp, they cannot just rely on brand deals and fashion, they need a very solid strong backing. From what I’ve seen, they have a lot of older male fans. This scandal or whatever has aged the group, meaning in K-pop there is a peak time when you’re hot HOT, they were in their stride. Very early. This has aged them, it’s evident with certain things if you look at it unbiased. That’s just fanbase wise though, in the general public, they still do ok but not as well as before. The next cb may change that. None of this is shade, just sharing what I’ve noticed.
Yessss, I remembered this video that you posted 2 years ago when all of this chaos on HYBE (Old Big Hit) is happening, love your videos!!! Fan here and Love from Brazil!!! 😱🥰🫶😘❤️💕🇧🇷
As a fearnot, I know they will always come back stronger, using all of their turmoil as their musical inspiration. So yea, all these combats will only add fuels to their successes 💙💙💙💙💙 fighting le SSERAFIM
The sad thing about vocal hate is ALL the groups use autotune, pitch correction lip syncing, etc. and “live” just means the person was alive at the time of recording. If you watch some vocal coach/performance evaluation channels one guy picked a random K-pop “live” performance from a group we all know. Using technology the computer could not even recognize a natural human voice in the performance. I’m not saying they can’t sing, I’m saying they aren’t singing naturally without enhancement. Pretty sad. Everyone should do better.
Would love to watch the upload youre talking about! Also, I agree with you and too true about them just having to have a pulse and breathing for it to be considered live. I hate the deception
@@SprucedandGussied Sure. I was referring to Wings of Pegasus channel but there are many I also like -Justin Burke. I enjoy Brian Puspos, Kristen Dodgen and Bada for choreography and dance channels. I also like to watch movie and video producers break down what’s going on. If you google around you can definitely find the channels you like. Enjoy!
New Jeans were arguably the most commercially pushed K-pop group of all time. They debuted as the little sisters of BTS (kind of a huge deal), having plenty of brand deals, and their faces were plastered on everything in SK. Their success benefits HYBE, which is why the company invested so much into them. Unfortunately, they believe their entire success is due to MHJ...which is just weird. A whole team of people contributed to their success by writing, producing, choreographing, promoting, and so on. The fact that New Jeans refuses to function without MHJ and are being overtly hostile towards HYBE's employees and artists is unacceptable.
I personally think they have a mother connection to MHJ. Also MHJ believed in them and the fact that hybe pushed back their debut for leseraafim is crazy cause as a trainee you’ll be hurt as hell. Also I feel like MHJ was telling the truth about how the guy was jealous how newjeans got so popular with the budget of 11m. That’s not enough for a group to debut under a huge company and especially the debuts have to be amazing yk. While illit and lesserafim got more. I think newjeans success caused the drama between the two to eventually get out of hand.
The biggest groups in Hybe are BTS and Seventeen, and I've never seen any of the members being rude to any of the other groups when they interact, its actually refreshing to see it... MHJ and NJ can make the loudest noises of "Hybe don't like us," but actions speak louder.
True people so stupid cant see that bts and seventeen and other. THEIR SENIORS. Dont spread this stupid drama. 🤦🤦🤦what makes this different? MIN HE JIN using NEW JEANS(corporating) want to take over
Maybe you're trying to be as unbiased as possible so you mention Min Hee Jin's version of events, but let's stick to facts here. Everything she has accused and claimed (Source Music LSF), there is no evidence. Hybe on the other hand, has consistently shown evidence after evidence of everything they accuse her of doing. She tried and failed to do a hostile takeover of Ador, that's a fact. She knew exactly what she was doing when threw the red meat, which was that ILLIT is copying New Jeans. This has served as a giant distraction from the main issue at hand, which is that she tried and failed in her takeover and that's why she's now thrown out onto the street. She's now encountering a new world where she is no longer in control at Ador, and she's trying desperately to try and rewind, and dragging the New Jeans members in for that end.
BOTH parties have consistently shown evidence. This doesn't mean they are sufficient as proof of anything. In fact, this "hostile takeover" which HYBE has accused MHJ of that you guys keep pushing has been deemed insufficient by the judge not a "fact". Why are you so confident in this? It's genuinely so bizarre, I really want to know where you get your information from and I hope it's not stan twitter because that is what it's starting to sound like. These accusations of ILLIT copying NJ has already been discussed many times since ILLIT debut, MHJ brought it to court. She is not trying to rewind anything, she lost control of ADOR because HYBE unfairly ousted her out of the CEO role, which is the reason for these injunctions. To claim that "she's dragging" the NewJeans members for that end is absurd, when you see that they are already screwed with how HYBE treats them within that company, and how HYBE treated the original ADOR team. HYBE already announced they halted NewJeans album production and activities, they don't know what to do. You may as well say they are in that end.
With all the new info that has come out about HYBE/Belift, how the court has ruled in these injunctions, and with NJ/MHJ out of Ador, I wonder if you still hold the same perspective now lol.
i never commented on any of your video but i feel like this one needs an honorary mention of how i cracked up everytime you changed your outfit befitting any of the situation / incidents mentioned 🤣🤣🤣 i applaud your dedication 👏
Yes, I very much agree! The multi-label system would be fine if there weren’t so many. Owning the initial three or four might have been okay, but they seem to add a new label almost every time they want to debut a new group. I don't think they've gone a year without debuting a new label/group since the reatructuring into Hybe. Not even SM or JYP would dare to debut groups as often as Hybe has over the past five years. This can't be sustainable for either the company staff, the industry, or the fans.
Here are some reasons not to ahe them(i spent 1 hour writing this) 1. **Music is Subjective** - Everyone has different tastes, and not every group will appeal to everyone. However, disliking something doesn't mean it’s bad or deserves hate. These groups are simply exploring different sounds and trends. 2. **Young Artists Deserve Support, Not Criticism** - These groups consist of young people working hard in an intense industry. Hating on them only adds unnecessary pressure. Constructive feedback is one thing, but outright hate can harm these artists mentally. 3. **They Push Innovation in K-pop** - LE SSERAFIM’s experimental pop sound, NewJeans’ focus on minimalism and Y2K-inspired aesthetics, and ILLIT’s potential to bring something new all contribute to the diversity of K-pop. It’s great to see different concepts and genres evolve in a dynamic industry. 4. **Global Success Shows They’re Doing Something Right** - These groups have achieved impressive milestones. For example: - LE SSERAFIM is known for their powerful performances and challenging traditional notions of femininity. - NewJeans became a global sensation quickly with their viral hits. - ILLIT, although newer, shows promise and reflects the evolving taste of newer audiences. The success they’ve seen proves there are many people who appreciate their talent and effort. 5. **Hating Promotes Toxicity in Fan Culture** - The K-pop community thrives when fans uplift their favorite artists rather than tearing others down. Spreading hate doesn't add value and only makes fan spaces more negative for everyone involved. 6. **Artists Evolve Over Time** - If someone doesn’t enjoy the current releases, the artists might create something they like in the future. Groups like these are still growing, experimenting with styles, and evolving with each comeback. 7. **These Groups Empower Fans and Promote Positivity** - LE SSERAFIM promotes self-confidence with messages like “I’m fearless.” NewJeans’ approachable and carefree vibes appeal to younger fans who relate to them. Groups like these spread positive energy, and it’s counterproductive to hate that. 8. **It’s More Productive to Support What You Like** - Instead of wasting energy hating on groups, it's more fulfilling to support artists or music you do enjoy. Everyone has the freedom to enjoy what resonates with them, and respect for other fandoms enriches the K-pop community. 9. **Hate is Often Based on Misconceptions or Peer Pressure** - Many times, hate comes from misunderstandings or exaggerated rumors. Peer pressure in fan communities can also contribute to baseless negativity. Taking time to learn about the groups can often change these opinions. At the end of the day, all three groups represent hard work, creativity, and passion. It’s much healthier and more enjoyable to either explore their music with an open mind or simply move on to artists who align more with your taste.
Lesserafim got hate from everyone and illit got hate from everyone too. They got hate from their lack of singing and the other of hybe rigging them to debut especially wonhee who ngl wasn’t the best out of the people they eliminated who were “not doing enough” when they were outstanding
@@Player-pr2zy Here people are changing the history which happened only 2 months ago. Lsfm were called Nwjn's evil step sister with posts getting 100k likes on twitter. They were called "hybe's spy. mainly eunchae" who are there to spy on aespa. They also got cult accusations, and one such post on twitter even got 50 million views. It was never about vocals, bcoz its a known fact since debut that there vocals are not that good, so why the hate now?
@@jennypenny4212 im sorry but the difference between the hate they got is really big, at a point literally every kpop stan (except their fans) were hating on lsfm and illit continuously , it got to a point where hybe had to take the matter in their own hands, and lets be fr , most of the ppl victimized njs (which they ofc are)
MHJ version of this story at the 22 mark makes no sense. Bang couldn't of went behind MHJ's back and signed Sakura. She wasn't actually signed to SouMu until Sept 2021. Chaewon was signed in Oct 2021 since her contract with Woolim Entertainment wasn't over yet. Newjeans, aka N team, had already left to the Ador sublabel by this point in time.
16:08 if Hybe is sidelining them and instructing other groups to ignore them then it makes sense they would go for last resort actions like this, since from their POV they have no future in hybe anyways
So basically, it's not that HYBE has a "girl group curse"; they're just awful at managing their girlgroups and put them into even more controversy rather than helping to deal with the controversies they already had. It's a shame, because NewJeans and Le Sserafim have released some amazing songs since they debuted.
3:42 Drinking Starbucks is a controversy? Do people not understand that not everyone watches the news or is chronically online? Not everyone is gonna know or care. That’s just the hard truth.
I know you didn’t just put on a MHJ fit 😂 that’s hilarious. Also, the part about Bang stopping NewJeans from debuting is somewhat wrong. MHJ stopped informing Source Music about any NewJeans updates which pushed back their debut and left Source Music in more debt so Source had no choice but to grab Sakura and Chaewon and the other members of LSF
I don't support any of these groups because of the underaged members but they all deserve better. MHJ is especially disappointing because of what we know about misogyny in South Korea; she could have tried to protect and uplift NJ instead of weaponizing them like this. It's so sad to see how much hate the young women from all three groups get when the problem lies with corporate leadership.
The hate towards Sakura is insane. She's been my favorite member since debut and the amount of hate she gets from from kr and intl fans is definitely not justified
They should have never let NJ made the statement. You NEVER let the talent dive into controversy like that. It's embarrassing for Hybe and ADOR, and MHJ herself. You're using your kids as a meat shield. This makes the talent sue-able. Jfc it was such a train wreck.
I agree that the multi-label system is a very bad idea as all of the labels will be competing with each other out of jealousy and envy. But I loved ur video ❤
But the only one having trouble is Ador. They're trying everything they can to be separate from Hybe. Everyone else is doing well and collaborating with each other. It's always fun to see them doing tiktok challenge with each other.
@@bobthebuilder547-i6eum. They are the only one who doesn't use weverse, have their own app. They refused to be part of the Grammy showcase , everyone else is featured. They stopped doing challenges with other hype groups. Those are just some examples.
@@bobthebuilder547-i6e bruh, im not gonna go over all that again, search. it. up. ive seen ur other replies, kinda annoying cuz njs arent the only victims here ok?
@@bobthebuilder547-i6eeverything mhj been doing since she started working there! Every allegation you see in the media is a part of her plan to make it seem like the multi label is not working. Look into all her texts and emails with her former vice president. And no the texts are not fabricated, they were vetted and accepted by the court as evidence. In the court ruling the judge said "it is evident that min was trying to weaken Hybe's position on Ador". Also mhj didn't deny the texts, she just said it was invasion of privacy.
Katseye had only controversy on their Netflix Documentary Dreamstar academy! it was a speed bump but ever since its been smooth sailing. since their debut they Had 100 million streams and counting especially their 2nd single Touch. Katseye will become the next big thing under Hybe Label.
That controversy was definitely a tactic to attract more people and worked very well. It also got cleared easily by a few funny posts on Instagram by members.
well u cant gurantee that now, le sserafim were thriving after the garam case (songs placed REALLY well on charts and they were one of the most liked 4th gen groups that time bc they released unfrogiven and antifragile) but soon after that their downfall began , during EASY era mostly
@@eunbearrr Le Serrafim and Katseye were like a team that both group Co-exist each and like each other. both groups have the same leader on Yunjin and Sophia who has same well like Personality who knows how to navigate their group in such a tough Competition especially the lines between a KPOP group and a Global group is not so clear anymore. both groups thrive in adversity! to give you in context what is 100 million Spotify streams everyday, Aespa a 4th gen KPOP group streams at 80 million per day. thats how insane it is the success Katseye has been receiving and its get better. as more and more western Audiences really like theor song becaus of the Fifth Harmony or Pussy Cat Dolls nostalgia and they were like here eastern hemisphere particularly the Knetizen. I guess thats the work of HYBE Labels and Geffen but mostly Hybe. because of the influence and Le Serrafim as well and even Troubled group under sub label Ador, New Jeans did influence some of their music with no bridge on their songs. better success will come for Katseye. but it is unfortunate for VCHA, I dont know what happen to them.
First mistake obviously, to have multiple girl groups debuting so close to each other. Even though Bang didn't think NewJeans would become something big. Secondly, it's clear as a birght day that the concept of NewJeans was basically taken and that in itself shows the hostility between the two!
Why do u think Bang didn't think nwjns would succeed?? Going by facts its obvious that from the 2 girl groups that debuted under hybe in 2022, nwjns had a much more expensive debut. Lsfm got only 1 MV for their debut EP and that too was filmed in a gym, whereas Nwjns got 6 MVs and many of them were filmed overseas. If he didn't believe in nwjns then why would he spend so much money on them?? Nwjns also got the most playlisting than any hybe group at debut, even more than BTS members themselves. Do u think playlisting is free??
If anyone copied anyone it is New Jeans (or as they are known Knockoff Jeans), it has been released that Illict released their concept in July 2023, NJ concept was released in August 2023, 2 months after Illict. And if you look at NJ they directly copied the 90's Mexican girl group Jeans, even down to the style of writing used for there name. Plus now with the pending plagiarism case from Wilson Music for using the music from UK Bands Shakatak 1982 song for Bubblegum, the truth is glaringly obvious that is NJ who are the copy cats of the industry. MHJ deflecting only caused the focus to fall directly on Knockoff Jeans, and there copying of others creative talents & ideas.
@@Gabriella9183 Where did you get this info that LSF got less than NewJeans for debut? They barely got any promotions before Attention released. LSF got a whole showcase promotion livestream for their debut and hired Sakura and Chaewon with existing fanbases. 4 of those MVs were of the same song most likely shot around the same time frame. That makes it two different production schedules not four but they EDITED it to be 4. He spent money on them because that's in the contract. I don't know about the playlisting situation, but just using common sense, you would want to give a group higher chances of being successful and not a waste of money if you think they would initially sell weaker. Just a thought.
@@pamelakrause9311 You might be too young to understand this situation involving the 'plagiarism vs inspiration' debate, but these points you've brought up are actually stupid and or just untrue.
It's definitely not "bad luck" Hybe sucks at managing talent and they've gone off the rails for the sake of pursuing their self interests. Here's hoping the artists find better, less parasitic companies to manage them.
The "controversies lesserafim had were controversial just because people wanted to hate on them. Many other artist have done same things but no one made a big deal out of it while they were actively looking for anything that would justify hating le sserafim, and if they couldn't find anything they just made it up.
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You don't look the big picture. You only look a case by case. 1. In the court reveal Kakao Talk history that Min Hee Jin plan to attack Hybe and takeover Ador. She talked to her shaman, a director from Ador (ex. employee of Kakao), former Kakao CEO about it. 2. Kakao CEO arrested by the police because of SM stock manipulation, so Hybe failed to be majority of SM shareholder. 3. SM paid influencer to attack Hybe during stock manipulation. 4. After first press conference from Min Hee Jin, attacking to Hybe increase significantly. 5. There are online forum from Min Hee Jin fans with purpose to manipulate public opinion. 6. Jurnalist who wrote article to manipulate New Jeans sales in Japan, now became the director of Kakao Mobility. 7. Mainstream South Korea media hates Hybe. JTBC wrote fake news about Suga but only recieved light punishment. 8. Min Hee Jin have connection with politician from Democratic party. The politician pressured Hybe. 9. NCT fan pretending to be ARMY and sent protest truck to Hybe for Suga leave BTS. 10. Etc. Do you see the big picture?
Seems like you have missing quite some info here, including the fact that it was MHJ who delay the debut of NJ, not hybe. There are some comments here pointed out this, you can check it out, and maybe correct your point in your future video.
Katseye should be included considering the controversy around Manon, but I don't know many people will want to deal with her fans if you point out fair criticism of her. The situation is a lot like Wonhee's except I actually think Wonhee is more naturally talented.
Manon has made numerous mistakes despite technically being trained far longer, depending on how many practices she actually missed since we don't know for sure how much practice she actually went to... regardless, she's missed her opening cue in actual live perfs, not just on variety shows, etc. But then on Weekly Idol, if you watch the vid of them just doing choreo for their episode from just the front camera angle, she's absolutely horrible for most of it... not just a mistake here and there.
You should make one for fromis_9. Their journey is pretty insane if your look into it. Filled with controversy, mistreatment and always getting shafted by any company they are in yet are still top of the charts. Nuts how they are still here after everything
all these million seller groups crying about mistreatment when fromis, the real ones being mistreated and all these hybe stans act like they dont exist
I love Fromis_9 but I haven’t heard much about their history. I know it took very long for them to get their recent comeback but that’s about all I know
I would love a Fromis9 video. I started following KPOP too late to know much about them.
Fr like why are they kept in the dungeon when they clearly can earn the company millions of dollars like… do these companies want to go broke just to abandon a clearly million selling group that is clearly popular in Asia but still turn a blind eye against them like…
@@바보Queenso only one group can be mistreated? Just because fromis is being mistreated means that other groups can't come out about their mistreatment?
I just find it sad that the adults in the room can't even handle this privately. Lesserafim, Illit and Newjeans should never be in the middle of this. And yet they are. 😮💨
illit and le sserafim were never supposed to be in this until mhj started mentioning group names and then that's when it all got worse
I support LS. but they need to get their sh*t together long term. Cringy when they do the girl cry to move the conversation along. Crazy and 800 are A+ first step.
@@BillyWhalersakura had the right to cry! She improved! And im so happy
@@zackzzz3513 yes. I love Le sserafim and people cry. Sakura is a human and she has emotions, she improved :)
@@stanillitexactly
Thank you for posting this!!! People need to see how 'hate netizens', toxic netizens try to play God. Having legit complaints is one but damn, bullying to the point of causing folks to of self harm is insane! It's like a damn competition out there!
omg yess!!!
Netizens are the worst honestly. The level of fan bullying I've seen in Kpop is unbelievable. They are the worst type of fans yet never take accountability for how vile they are.
The min heejin cosplay i’m dead
OHM- 😭😭😭
Agree… all are based on MHJs opinion.. to begin with.. it was MHJ who started all this drama to all hybe gg just to prove that NJ is the best… pathetic… the world already knows. MHJ and SM/Kakao best collab ever.. they always want hybe downfall. Jealousy at its finest.
@@nicolechristine8764So Hybe basically let in a obvious SM spies, the kpop music corps drama sounds like different countries trying to tear each other down and SM is like the USSR while Hybe is the US and are in a cold war between each other 😂💀
I think MHJ is using NJ as her mouthpiece, which is disgusting really. Also the Lesserafim controversy to me is a non-issue as I don't think it is a coincidence Lesserafim's problems come out just when MHJ start going crazy. Ultimately it is unfortunate as all these GG members are still so young and being used as pawns by the adults.
So you’re going to blame all of the bad decisions Hybe has made for Le Sserafim on MHJ?
I have no idea what happened but I think that the main reason behind the drama is greed and envy.
100% I feel bad for the girls
Netizens are embarrassing 😭🙏
Fr, I haven’t checked on the K-Pop scene in eight years and I’m so lost 😭
2024 is just filled with drama.
Fr
You can say that again
Ikr
2024 was wild
I bring all the Dra-ma-ma-ma-ma
WHOAAAA! What are these new camera angles, cuts, outfits, and makeup?! Hope you continue to keep pushing your creativity like this-it's so much fun to watch! 💖💖💖 I almost spitted out my drink when you dressed up like MHJ! 😂
I feel like this is never gonna end
I hope their next girl group(s) in 2026-2029 can break the curse 😕
@liisaa287 fr same!
The tiktok situation isn't Hybe's doing. MHJ has always been pretty clear in wanting to separate NewJeans from the rest of the Hybe groups even before this whole MHJ vs Hybe incident began. She's the one who refuses to allow the girls to do tiktoks with the other Hybe groups (including the newer ones like TWS, BND, and &TEAM) outside of the few that they have done with the BTS members, some SVT members, and some TXT & Enhypen members. She is also the one who wanted NewJeans to have their own separate communication App called 'Phoning' so the group wouldn't have to be on Weverse. And then let's not forget the recent Hybe x Grammy's Museum incident, where she rejected to have NewJeans showcased in the museum like the other Hybe groups because she believed that NewJeans (a rookie group) deserves to have a more prominent & bigger section of the museum than BTS & Seventeen (the two biggest groups in Hybe, and longest active groups in Hybe), and Bang Pd (the literal founder of Hybe), and because Grammys refused to allow that (for valid reasons) she declined to have NewJeans be showcased there.
I am not a Hybe supporter, but it has been very clear that the person who has indeed been actively trying to separate the girls from the rest of Hybe is Min Heejin.
[EDITED] - fixed some grammatical errors and added a bit more context.
and then she and newjeans are shocked when other hybe employees hate them, they're in the same building but they're uncooperative as hell
@@booqqa This is one of the main issues I have with MHJ and even the NJ girls. Like, why are you (MHJ & the NJ) shocked that people in the same building as you do not want to interact with or be around you when you yourself have gone to great lengths to separate yourself from them from the start? Why are you shocked and offended that a manager is telling a bunch of teenage girls to ignore you (for their safety & peace of mind) after you have openly shown your support (and declared your love) to the very woman who has terrorized them and caused them mental pain since their debut? It's very odd for them to be acting this shocked to seeing their actions have consequences.
Did MHJ "say" that she wanted NJ to have "a more prominent section of the museum" or is it "assumed" that is why she did not want to participate? All HYBE said was that each subsidiary had the choice to participate or not and ADOR chose not to go. Neither ADOR nor HYBE gave further explanation on the subject but stans sure did and those speculations have now turned into facts.
MHJ did say that she did not want NJ to use some of HYBE more shadowy accounting schemes to tweak sales and she did not want the girls to just sit around; she wanted them to tour to gain performance experience and up their popularity numbers. That being said, I don't remember MHJ "saying" that she keeps NJ away from other HYBE groups purposely; again is it just "assumed" because it is the only "logical" explanation that conveniently makes her the problem everyone wants her to be?
As for Weverse: when HYBE bought and banished VLive (a more superior app used by rival label groups) and offered Weverse to the industry as an alternative, other labels, if they could afford it, chose to have their own communication app to avoid having their content hijacked by the company (the groups lost all of their content (years worth) to new owner HYBE). Seeing that it is now an industry standard for a successful/profitable label to control its own communication app ADOR having its own app is not so strange.
Seems everyone has a problem with MHJ exerting decision making control over ADOR, its operations, its content, its brand, and the direction of its talent even though she was made CEO to do just that.
@@boohangyu_sunshine So you believe NJ claims but you feel they deserve it...OK at least you are honest. Also, stans "terrorized" the teenagers and they were doing it with gusto for a myriad of reasons before the MHJ/HYBE dust up was made public last spring.
@@boohangyu_sunshine I think you got the timeline a bit mixed up. NewJeans spoke out 3 months after the incident.
The other time they directly showed support for Min Heejin was when Hanni switched her status a week prior.
The livestream they made was the aftermath of that incident.
Dont forget Fromis 9 being in the dungeon for the longest time
They.just.have.an.comeback.
didnt they have a comeback with supersonic a while back? i think it was rly good
for those who are confused, the gap between fromis latest comeback and the comeback before that was not just long but also controversial on its own rights. in a run about way, its a ploy to waste time and just wait till the group's contract ended.
it took multiple members with individual live streams to vocalize their concerns, with one member being straight forward with her words, then an organize protests by the fans was held.
even with that, the only reason hybe really responded was mostly because all their other girl groups are already on fire and they needed to control fromis and flovers as swift as possible.
that comeback, though i am super thankful for it and i consider it as one of the best fromis album, that album was hurriedly done. which proves further that there really was no plans for fromis_9 for the entirety of 2024. there were no pre-selected tracks, no planned concert or guestings, contents were drying down quick, nothing.
"but they just had a comeback womp womp" and thats the thing, if flover dont continuously pressure hybe, theres nothing anymore again and its another race to waste time till the contract ends
if that winter comeback dont come.....
@@Marina-sy9ii Thankfully some of the members had to publicly made a compliant, Heres hoping for more comebacks
sometimes, i forget they exist
NJ did dance challenges with BTS members but also MHJ complained the NJ members were in a BTS video before debut. You can't have it both ways. NJ is mainly seen with other agency idols. MHJ seems to have wanted to isolate NJ from HYBE from the beginning, they don't even use WeVerse they developed their own. It sort of validates the idea of MHJ's plan to takeover Ador and leave HYBE with NJ
the app Phoning right? all I know it's powered by WeVerse but ngl I like the app layout
Weverse owned by hybe after they bought vlive and deleted all the videos from all the other groups? Who would use that?
@@KingoftheJiangl The decision to delete V Live content wasn’t based on Weverse simply “wanting to.” Instead, it involved complex issues like licensing and data management, which affected Weverse’s ability to host V Live’s extensive content library. Since many V Live videos were owned by different entertainment agencies, Weverse couldn’t automatically transfer everything without specific permissions or contracts from each agency involved.
I mean she’s justified in wanting to take NewJeans (NJ was her idea, HYBE was sabotaging, etc) but she violated company policy soooo, yeah it’s a lose lose for everyone involved and it sucks
The curse continues, I guess, and it's so sad thinking that the careers of the girls from the 3 groups are in shambles because the adults who are supposed to help them with their dreams just can't handle arguments and drama like adults should be.
Honestly the company should help every group instead of picking which groups to thrive or mistreat 💀
@@Player-pr2zy Exactly.
@@Player-pr2zy did they? I don't understand Hybe stans, they pump so much money into every group. Big 4 stans don't even see it. If any group is mistreated it's fromis, and that probably Pledis' choice as they wanna make room for a new gg (idk if the trainee team still exists but it did at least a year ago)
As an ex-kpop fan…one of the main things that contributed to me no longer being apart of the fandom was this toxicity right here!!
The unwarranted hatred, bullying and self-righteousness these “fans” depicted is just sickening. And God forbid you have an opposing opinion on a subject that everyone is up in arms about….you’ll be bullied into oblivion.
and that most people cant connect the fact that at the end of the day, idol groups is a form of show business. and that businesses can use social media to sway opinions left and right.. this hybe issue for example is a perfect example of overblown office politics blown to media warfare. since both sides cant control the other, they go to public.
and no, its not just the presscons. anyone here on the comments sections or other platforms may just be bots or profilers thats deployed to swing social media opinions their way.
those businesses turned the whole controversy into a social persecution and that exactly was what they wanted.
if you are a human being, its best to stop consuming this type of content. let them battle themselves out the court or however they want next till one side quits
I am an ex kpop fan too!! Kpop is just trash now ngl
@@Snowflake765-n3i I wouldn’t say trash but it’s not as wholesome as it used to be.
@@BlessinginBloom i'm curious now, don't u find everything so annoying, weird and cringe now? It all seems so fake, boring, same, and just, plain. The lyrics r all meaningless. And FRICKING minors just being there looking pretty without any talent at all. And don't even get me started on the controversies, just thinking about them makes me feel like I'm gonna lose my mind.
@@Snowflake765-n3i Oh I do. The spark that it had before is just gone. None of the new & upcoming groups have that spark in my opinion. Plus the already existing groups that are there have lost that pizzazz for me. I’m not even going to get into the lyrics of songs. Plus the over sexualization is just wild. I get it’s the entertainment industry but they make it so easy for the minors to be preyed on. And the controversies 😮💨😮💨😮💨….im surprised they’re still able to produced groups cause from what I’m seeing now some groups already have controversy before debuting
If you go by facts, its clear that nwjns debut was much much more expensive than lsfm's debut. Lsfm got only 1 MV for their debut EP and that too was filmed in a gym whereas nwjns got 6 MVs for their debut EP and many of them were filmed oversees. They also got their own app called 'phoning'.
So the question is, why would hybe spend so much money on a girl group they don't think will succeed??
Also it was MHJ herself who isolated nwjns from other hybe group. She wanted that exclusive image for nwjns
When you look at Hybe, wouldn't you want to distance yourself from Hybe's GG management record?
I think it was because of MHJ. MHJ was kind of big and more experienced since she worked in sm, so Hybe trusted her.MHJ must have demanded several mvs. I think Le sserafim was going to have one more comeback but it didn't happened due to Garam scandal.
I just want le sserafim and illit to have a good and stable career.
But first, they need a good and stable vocals 😁
@@bi111ieluvbot 💀💀💀💀
@@bi111ieluvbot And you need to a job to pay for your rent
@@Gabriella9183DANG THAT WAS GOOD
@@bi111ieluvbot haters need to worry about stable mental health. you understand there is something wrong with you? normal people don't behave like this.
i think the reason the Coachella performance for Le Sserafim was such a big deal was because a lot of kpop fans are getting much more critical with companies debuting idols who aren’t ready simply for visuals. obviously, this has existed since the beginning of kpop, but it has become a much more prevalent issue in 4th and 5th gen than it was in other generations. a lot of fans, especially international fans, are tired of hearing “they’re improving” when these idols should have improved already. it’s the entire point of training. so, when Le Sserafim comes out on stage and bombs, everyone uses it as further evidence of how the kpop industry has begun to promote visuals far more than singing, dancing, or rapping. i’m not blaming Le Sserafim entirely for this, but this is just one of the main reasons i saw that people felt far more passionate about this than other idols who can’t sing.
It's also just unfair bc a lot of nugu groups have insane vocals, they wouldn't survive without at least a few outstanding vocalists (see Mamamoo who only had their vocals to get further). But these groups will never ever get the chance to even look at Coachella. Aespa got a lot of hate too for their performance but at least they could sing and got insanely good over the last year. And the criticism towards Le Sserafim was actually mostly valid. It's harsh for the members but I felt like they didn't see anything wrong with their singing. I felt like this was a thing where the company just blamed all the "bad haters" whilst not working on the group sound and singing at all. It just left a bad taste in my mouth bc companies just LOVE to mix us in with genuine idiots. Like when you criticise the debut of idols under 18 but people call *you* a weirdo?
To add to the insult, they won a few music shows with Crazy but didn't even do any encores bc they knew it was gonna be bad (they smartly scheduled the US activities during the time). Like do Hybe fans even understand that many groups don't get that many wins to improve? But Hybe stans seem to be the most entitled anyway, the NJ situation has shown it pretty well. It seems to be a general issue with the training that Hybe idols can't sing but it's not like the label can't change that. Source produced Gfriend.
Anyway I'm mostly just sad for them, looking at groups like Nmixx who have such a joy for music and always get even better each cb, I wonder how much else Le Sserafim can do. They pretty much hit a musical ceiling, and they're barely in the 3rd year. Even if you enjoy the more performance heavy music, you can't disagree that they can't do much beyond that vocally. Again comparing to aespa who did insane music this year. Or if you wanna look at another performance heavy group, Itzy doesn't have the vocals of a generation. But much like Nmixx, they really started training on singing while dancing and it shows. ILLIT hopefully gets proper training, they have the same issues and immediately after debut. And this is not hate, like don't you guys want Sakura to be able to do an encore without having a panic attack on stage? Atp she's gonna be on the songs even less, she already is as per get request (or so fearless have said).
@@moongirl8807Lol. You are surely like to pull out things out from your ass. They did not avoid the encore by going to the us. The girls did 1 week promotion where they did not win any music shows for the first week (they are nominated but sadly lose). The us schedule have been planned far ahead. They released the album on friday targeting us market. You expect them to not promote in the us?
this is where Kpop fans get it wrong with Le Sserafim and Coachella. you guys say they bombed, but the people who where in Coachella said they where great. people already had biased opinion of Le Sserafim and the hate train was fresh during that time. no matter how good they where, people will only clip parts that sounded bad
They were good dmbotron.
This doesn't mean that the hate they received was deserved at all though (hate, not criticism- which was deserved). An even larger issue is kpop fans being unable to distinguish between literal bullying and criticism, and Le Sserafim's case isn't the first time this happened. Look at the hate trains against aespa, Itzy, and IVE in 2021, 2022, and 2023 respectively. aespa was criticized for not singing live, having poor stage presence, and Giselle for saying a racial slur during "Savage" era. What started off as criticism turned into comments about Giselle's body and appearance, completely false rumors about Karina and Winter's pre-debut era, and racist comments toward Ningning from Korean netizens. In Itzy's case, what started off as criticism for "Sneakers" and "Boys Like You" as songs turned into very gross comments about Yuna's body, Chaeryeong's appearance, Lia's dancing and singing, and Ryujin's vocal tone. All four of them got d- threats over two songs that people didn't like. Lia had to go on a 10-month hiatus after being diagnosed with anxiety disorder because of all that, and people called her a "baby" and "childish". In IVE's case, Wonyoung was called a "pick-me" just like Yuna and also received threats for literally acting cutely, and all the other members except Liz were criticized (but of course, later bullied) for their poor live singing. All of these disgusting comments and posts towards these people got millions of views and likes. It's so blatantly obvious kpop fans need a girl group (never a boy group) to scrutinize and bully every year. What's the point of bullying innocent people and masking actually valid criticism like that? What was the goal of all these hate trains then? This year it was Le Sserafim and ILLIT's turn, next year it'll be someone else. Why does nobody learn from history? What if something worse could've happened to Lia? Criticism is given with the intent of wanting someone to improve, and 70% of what I saw happening towards aespa, Itzy, IVE, Le Sserafim, and ILLIT was not criticism. The fact that Le Sserafim and ILLIT get more hate than Taeil, a literal criminal, is wild.
How DARE UA-cam hide this from me for 45 mins?!?!
You call New Jeans "ostracized" but it was Min Hee Jin who decided this and didn't want her group attached to any other group within HYBE. She even had HYBE create a different app for New Jeans instead of them using Weverse like everyone else. Her plan from the start was to use HYBE'S money to establish her own label and remove it from under them.
okay but how is that NJs fault? they are still being avoided when it isn't their fault. NJs expressing that they want her back is prob bc she was the only adult that wouldn't ignore them.
@@bbyblue2001 that doesn't mean they are not wrong at all.
@bbyblue2001 they have publicly support a usurper after this scandal came out. how are they not in the wrong ?
@@bbyblue2001 they didn;t say anything about it being NJ fault tho lmao
@@bbyblue2001 They’re publicly supporting the very reason Le sserafim & Illit (especially Illit) hate increased tenfold.
Illit almost received a Black Ocean being accused of being bullies to NewJeans, especially Hanni, when there is ZERO proof that’s true.
21:28 the min heejin cosplay lol you're the best, thanks for another amazing video ❤
Yes, the fact that MHJ was the one to delay NJ's debut, that she never denied her texts where she mentions NJs members in a derogatory way, that she has ignored the plagiarism accusations against NJs (from a Mexican pop group, a J-pop group, a British pop group), and that she is has 5 different lawsuits going on against her at this moment.
A+ cosplay, BTW. The MHJ one made me 😂
So why did NJ commit career suicide backing up MHJ if its it's all MHJ's fault? Make it make sense. Methinks Hybe isn't innocent.
I would like to add that Hybe did make a statement about why Newjeans moved to Ador. They claim, that the group was ready to go and intended to debut as a 7 member group in the 3rd quater of 2021. Because MHJ was the creative director and thus owned all the copyright, she had to sign off on this debut. At the same time, Sakura and Chaewon joined the company and Source started working on a new group for them to be in which was at the time known as Team S. However MHJ had decided at this time, that as she belived she was doing all the work for NJ that she should get more out of her contract, she threatened to leave with nothing and continued to delay the debut of the group, which caused Hybe to finally give in and give her the sub label she so wanted. However where the conflict comes in is that Source was promised to debut the first Hybe girl group, which is the main reason they abruptly disbanded GFriend. Source music execs were obviously pissed that all their resources going to waste and so pushed the debut of Le Sserafim up, and to honour this contract made with Source, Hybe insisted that MHJ wasn't allowed to debut her group until after Source music. This would have caused more animosity between the labels if Ador was sitting on a girl group waiting on source and so Le Sserafim ended up being rushed, which is arguably why the Garam scandal was as big as it was and some of the girls lack training upon debut. Then MHJ was very shading and jumped straight onto the debut as soon as she was able, skipping the pre-debut period and even the debut announcement.
If New Jeans debut in 2021 and included 7 members the issues retaining the amount of under age members would of been alot worse then it was before
@@michaela5002 I am well aware. Not defending the minors. Hyein would have been 13 and the group would have had 0 adults
I didn't even know that but I had predicted ( just recently)that they had to had problems before debut and was already at each other throats before this situation because they came out of nowhere and hybe usually do countdowns for debuts on their main channel and maybe since then ,they haven't been on good terms with mhj and new jeans , and I predicted mhj prob wanted to debut nwjns at a different time than hybe terms and went ahead and did it by herself
@@Stay_Zerose I think hyein was added after ador was created and 2 of the trainees were eliminated.
Plus when nwjn was created even mini was a minor. There were no adults.. hence were groomed easily by mhj.
on the bright side of source music... GFRIEND IS HAVING A COMEBACK! ❤😢
Yaaay
wdym?? like all of them together????
@@codhelenheli yess!
@@codhelenheli yes, in January as confirmed by Source Music
Really❤❤@@mexuryx900
The funny thing about the Coachella performance is that almost everyone who was actually at Coachella was like the performance was great and everyone had a good time. It’s mostly people who weren’t there that are mad. I don’t care if there are other controversies them singing bad while fully dancing hard choreo is not that serious.
This is never gonna end and the lawsuit with mhj is gonna take months or years.
Now I'm just supporting my girls lesserafim.❤
It's not a 'curse' Hybe is just bad at managing gg's
I think they’re just bad at managing in general. Their claim to fame is BTS. Every group after that has gained attention for solely being under the BTS label. BTS essentially don’t need management because their fandom will eat literally anything up, but that’s because they’re an established senior group now. HYBE has waaaaaay too many new groups (under 3 years old) at the same time, which already shows bad management. They wanted to dominate the industry quickly instead of over time.
Agreed!!
agreed! After the internal doucments were leaked by HYBE i can clearly say now that I DONT SUPPORT HYBE but i support all hybe artists. I feel bad for all hybe artist to undergo such treatment esp Le sserafim, Illit and newjeans.
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The whole MHJ scandal is WILD. Like every day you hear a new thing she said and just sit there and go "Well she's not going to win people over with that." The whole situation feels like mom (MHJ) and dad (BSH) are getting a divorce and the kids (NJ) are stuck in the middle and both their parents kind of suck. and the NJ members certainly aren't helping themselves at all in this situation. I feel bad because they're all so young and have pretty obviously been failed by like all the adults in their lives.
I'm just surprised that in all this people aren't bringing up more all of her controversies from when she was with SM. I didn't even get into kpop until 2021 but even I know about how much shawols HATE her and for good reason. Maybe I'd have more sympathy for her if I hadn't heard all of her sordid past. Like we all been knew she was a snake, just now everyone's waking up to it.
Actually her controversies at Sm are being brought up ever since the release of Cookie mv.
@Yo99753
Oh absolutely it does get brought up but it seems to be way more prevelent in some circles than others. I saw so much mention of it when Cookie came out but during this whole NJ scandal it's way less and there are definitely a lot of people that still have no idea. I told a friend about MHJ's past like last week and she was absolutely horrified.
@@Soppon Oh, I got your point now. I remember everyone mentioning her having creepy photos in Reddit, but no one brought up her Sm controversies. And this was during Nwjns scandal.
the most annoying part of this is new jeans stans talking about illit and lesserafim like they’re the ceos at hybe
I'm not a fan of any of these groups but I've seen it go all ways. Lsfm and illit fans going crazy on NJ and vice versa.
@@mari-bc1fcsadly it is originated from NewJeans fans. LSF and ILLIT fans originally never had problem with NewJeans but after MHJ things broke out. Many NewJeans fans are bashing LE SSERAFIM and ILLIT after continuous dramas happening right now.
@@AP-fi2di 2 wrongs don't make a right.
@@mari-bc1fc so you will never blame a arsonist committing arson out of nowhere but will blame a firefighter who failed to control the fire in the right time right??????? Hope you can think straight.
@@AP-fi2diyou sound stupid.
the way this series needs a part 3 now 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I just love when Ploopy does UA-cam
The NJ situation is so wild considering how it ended today. MHJ ended up taking an even worse offer from HYBE than their OG olive branch. MHJ keeps her control over NJ, NJ members are happy to have her back, and HYBE has rendered MHJ non threatening. This debacle could have been so easily avoided.
She's desperate. The judge basically laughed her out of the room with her latest injunction.
She's probably going to keep fighting because she wants those millions promised to her if she's CEO. She can't get that if she's director.
I'm a BTS fan and I will never ever be a new jeans fan again Some of those girls idolize that bitchy lady CEO . Watch Hannah During court little girl is a brat brainwash brat
Their "OG olive branch" was terrible too.
Wait! Did mhj actually accept the board of directors position? Coz I haven't heard that yet. All I've heard is that she was voted back onto the board of directors, not that she accepted.
Technically Hybe always planned to Debut 2 girl groups Team N and Team S which was New Jeans and Le Sserafim but NJ debut kept getting delayed because MHJ wanted more parts and rights for creating and managing the group to the point she wasn't even doing her job and despite HYBE constantly asking her for confirmation and preparations were going she kept delaying and delaying to the point that several months past, HYBE and Bang PD has shown receipts for as well as emails and msg where MHJ delayed NJ's debut to the point where they were going to be delayed until the end of the year which was way to close to the Group debut of Group S
And then she and the parents are complaining about why Le sserafim was the first gg to debut when it should have been Nwjns. Such hypocrites they are.
she has major beef with le sserafim bruh i thought it was conspiracy theory, but i found out she was throwing tantrums ever since sakura and chaewon were signed with hybe. she did NOT want another hybe gg to debut
@@booqqa Same. My initial reaction was, "Stop dragging Le sserafim into your mess!" But also, I don't understand why MHJ didn't make a fuss in the beginning.
I think MHJ wanted to separate NJ from Hybe from the beginning after conflict from debut. And it seems she has fed to the girls and the parents from the beginning that Hybe hates them and is out to get them. But if that was the case they wouldn't have set up ADOR to begin with. BPD may have been prideful but so is MHJ. She wants to do it all herself. Other Hybe group members were listening to, promoting NJ in their own ways before all this, I think she just didn't want them to be associated with the company in anyway. If she really cared about NJ, she would be encouraging them to move on without her and supporting them from afar but she hasn't and remind them issues they have occurred when SHE was the CEO.
The evidence that shew as trying to leave was deemed insufficient by the judge. Why are you guys still pushing this? If BPD is prideful, what makes you think that he would treat them any better after all of this? If she really cared about the girls she would try to fight and make sure that they are treated well within the company after all this, even if it means destroying her public image like you guys are doing now lol. And the girls know that without her, their initial vision of the group would be tainted by whatever HYBE is planning for them. HYBE can never achieve the same legacy/achievements for NewJeans that MHJ did and the girls know that, they weren't "taught" anything.
BPD is a very jealous and envious person. He supported MHJ initially but became angry when NJ was so successful thanks to MHJ despite the fact that he sees her as being lesser than himself.
"Why should someone lesser than me be more successful?" This is the thought process of somebody entitled and envious. Inheriting wealth and position does not create competence, only hard work does.
The amount of envy this guy has caused him to act in ways characteristic of a small person. If he wants to feel valuable, all he can do is be more honest with himself and accept reality instead of creating problems for people he is jealous of. This can only lead to more suffering
@@KingoftheJiangl MHJ is NOT more successful than Bang PD lmao
The thing with Coachella is that every Korean artist who performed there this year has shared how difficult it was. Ateez said they were hyperventilating after their set. The Rose just shared that the desert was so hard that their throat were closing up after their first song. Yes, Le Sserafim aren’t the strongest group vocally, but that’s not the main reason why people enjoy their performances. Their energy, stage presence and strong performances are why they are loved and invited to Coachella. I didn’t expect them to go to Coachella and sing like Mamamoo because that’s not their strength. I knew they would bring the hype energy and the live audience would have a great time and they did. They have now quietly worked hard to improve their performance skills and manage their energy to have the stamina and be vocally strong throughout their sets always using handheld mics.
from what ive heard, a lot of artists were struggling. either by the environment or technical difficulties
they are singers, its their fucking job to sing. if I got paid thousands for a job, i'd work day and night to be the best. yall making excuses is why they r all so fucking lazy. ok maybe the cochella situation can be excused but what about their encours?? they are so bad that smn like me who continuously hyped them up in their debut era and over looked stuff, could not bring myself to sympathise with them.
I love when you cover these type of K-pop video's. It's both so informative and messy. You actually took the time to research and break it down by summarize it so easily so that viewer can easily understand what's going on with these often conundrum of happenings in the East Asian music industry.
And lmfao @ the details of you changing clothes according to the subject matter.
Yessss I was lowkey waiting for you to do a whole dive into this situation 🥴ur burning sun scandal one was great
Facts! Ploopy’s burning sun video was so good! Her storytelling skills are next level!
NJ's debut was only delayed bc of MHJ. It's weird that you don't mention that. MHJ literally refused to work, which is what delayed NJ debut. They would have debuted before LSF if she had actually worked, like at all. She didn't respond to colleagues for months. LSF team actually worked to debut. Again, it's weird that you don't mention that at all. No one beside's MHJ sabotaged NJ debut
I do get so annoyed when folks wanna bring up Coachella but majority who do (fyi, not talking about this content creator) they admit they never watched the entire 40 minute performance. They admit they never saw how well they started and only choked towards the end with two songs. It wasn’t that bad and they’ve all proven they can sing. Plenty of times but esp recently. And folks refuse to accept that. The improvements were mostly breathing stability and not going so damn hard on choreography. LE SSERAFIM have never been one to release music that were ONLY vocally driven. At all. It’s like, every album there’s a song that’s vocally driven but that’s not what they do for their title tracks. Talking shit without doing your own research and not listening to the hate train would mean actually using your brain and critical thinking skills. Kazuha has such a beautiful voice. Eunchae has such a beautiful tone. Sakura doubts herself because people don’t know how to guide her in the right way but she also has such a great voice. Yunjin and Chaewon are beyond amazing at what they do. Proven once again, time after time after time. Illit deserved NONE of the hate they got. Idc if you think their vocals are crap (which if you did your research, you’d see that isn’t true), it does NOT warrant the disgusting hatred they received. And when it comes to MHJ and hybe - MHJ is worse. She laid out all her plans and it was exposed.. people have hated that woman since she was in SM but my gah what people forget on purpose is mind blowing I tell ya. Hybe could do so much better in a lot of areas no doubt but MHJ is worse. And I’m glad she’s not winning, not getting her way. And I have zero sympathy for newjeans these days. Had they actually spoke out for their own safety and rights, the supposed bad treatment that I don’t think actually exists (btw, come with actual proof they haven’t mentioned or shown yet, I’ll gladly admit I was wrong or change my opinion) I’d be on their side. But the first thing they did was demand MHJ her ceo position back or else. That was bold but idiotic. They have no power over hybe. NONE. So whatever happens to their career from here on out is only on them. The National Assembly was just a joke too. Those assembly members were already on hanni’s side with very obvious bias. It led to nothing new being told. It’s always “they ignored me” or “didn’t greet me”. Disrespectful? Absolutely can be due to Korean culture. But bullying? Hell no. She wasn’t brave. But I gather that was the plan (imho) but it kinda backfired. I’m just glad MHJ has zero power to do anything. She had a great contract to manage the girls and ador however she pleased but fucked it all up by planning to try to take ador from hybe. Something she didn’t own. She got money from hybe bank but hated they got any profit from newjeans once they were bringing in all that money. She purposely kept newjeans separate from hybe and at the beginning folks loved that and now that hybe doesn’t include them in hybe group things people get mad. Like pick a side, pick a struggle people.. so I trust hybe has a plan. They never attack head on giving up what they have in their hand. Always silently doing what needs to be done. And let’s be real, they’ve brought all the receipts they’ve needed while MHJ side likes using media and public opinion/sympathy. I wish for hybe to clean itself up, make things better for all… sure as hell doesn’t mean I don’t see MHJ for what she is. Idk why her past isn’t coming back to haunt her but she is going against hybe and folks have wished for their downfall since hybe was created. MHJ can try but she will fail. Esp seeing as she can’t stop talking. I’ll be glad when all of this is over and legally done too. And like I said, show me actual proof of both doing something they shouldn’t have - I’ll listen. I don’t care for “I think..” or “I feel..”. I want facts. And hybe has more of those than MHJ. Which is wild cuz she started this and her proof has been almost not even existed. Anyways, I’ve got plenty to look forward to with hybe groups/artists the next few weeks. I’m just happy they’re doing what they love despite the tension inside the company due to MHJ. And yes, some of hybe too. I know they ain’t great but they ain’t evil. Not even the worst company to exist. Like that’s just being dramatic to be dramatic.
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Can I just say...99% of groups don't even get the chance to have such a terrible Coachella performance, bc they don't have the connections and money to attend. They also don't get the chance of like 30 encores to show their improved singing (which conveniently wasn't done for Crazy as they were in the US). Just something to think about. So happy that they improve, but a nugu group would've not made it with those skills. Looking left and right can sometimes really help to put things into perspective.
I do agree on NJ but don't even get into that drama. It'll make you mad. The fans have learnt from the best, MHJ. Hybe money is good enough to catapult them to the top, but once MHJ doesn't get her way it's suddenly bad. I legit saw people saying they would've made it this big without Hybe. But I don't blame them, many don't understand how investments work. Especially Hybe stans that have to get used to being big 4 and still talk like they're an underdog company. I think they just reappointed MHJ as a director? Honestly she probably can't sue but her contract must be good or they are afraid of something, bc otherwise she's a PR nightmare not worth keeping. NJ activities are halted now too so what's the point? Well NJ is bound to the company so maybe they're afraid that once they kick MHJ out completely it'll go down. It's a lose lose, imo they probably wanna sit this out until ILLIT is as big and NJ kinda forgotten (people did get bored with their sound already), so that they can then disband them once the contract is over.
The other options are not as great, letting members go would be terrible as they could re-form and make money with Hybe not getting anything from their investment, but cutting MHJ loose will probably make her go completely off the rails (if that's even possible). It's a lose lose for Hybe, but honestly since bunnies hate them anyway they can do whatever (bunnies that have stayed, I saw many leaving the fandom after the slander of Le Sserafim and ILLIT).
That's a long paragraph.
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I choose an aleatory video of Coachella. It was third hand embarrasment. And I doubt that if they can not sing standing they could sing dancing. Then, what most of people that defend them is ignoring is the letter of Sakura and the middle finger. That is what broke all hell loose. If that is their answer toward people talking about an awful performance, before that point things were bussiness as usual, only their fans were expecting them to slay that stage but they did that... I need to know no more about them and their personalities.
Funny, most idols after a mistake cry, apologize towards their fans and promise to work on it. I think the first two are not necesary. Most idols usually do not trow middle fingers to the people that paid a small fortune to watch a third hand embarrasment stage. I can not even imagine to do that to any of my clients even when they are being rude and insulting me for something over that I have no power or inference. That is the problem with those women, not the lack of skills nor the clear rise of fame powered by the millions of Hybe, it is their attitude. MHJ just trowed fuel to it.
Do I hate them? No but, I have no sympaty for them neither, over the point of their lack of skills, I would never condone them nor anyone to be hated for the convinience of people more powerfull than them.
Girl, your editing skills are AMAZING in this video!
Thanks!!
The outfit changes took me out lol😂
Something I will never understand about K-pop companies is the concept of disbanding a group in order to debut a new one. Like, has no one told them they can keep both groups? You can make more money with two successful groups instead of one? Am I missing something here? Because I genuinely don’t get the logic. 😂
To be honest, I find the Hybe-Min Heejin situation hilarious. I think they're both saying the truth about eachother: Min Heejin did try to get outside investors, Bang PD was jealous of her. It can all be true at the same time.
As for the New Jeans members, they're young and impressionable. They had way too little time in the entertainment industry to be talking like that in that live. They behaved as if Min Heejin cares so much about them- whereas, she would probably also ignore them in the future when the new trend emerges. Min Heejin is not their mom so she would care unconditionally. It's really sad that they were manipulated this way.
And that workplace harassment claim... why are people acting like everyone needs to like them? Yes it sucks, but naming one instance of one person not liking you is honestly hilarious. But they're kids, so I see how this can affect them.
Illit being a copy of New Jeans, this one is an interesting claim. Isn't that like a trend, to keep copying concepts? Like aespa was accused of copying Blackpink back at their debut. Blackpink had 2ne1 reject songs, Red Velvet had fx reject songs. People keep following trends so this claim is a bit much.
And HYBE definitely isn't some fairy tale land. It's all business. But to see a freaking corporation have this amount of public meltdowns honestly speaks a lot on the energy in the workplace. Why can't people sit in a room, and discuss everything respectfully? It's work, not freaking family dynamics, and there really should be no place for this to happen.
bless you!
Fromis9 is still going strong with no Huge controversies. The only thing I can think of was some rigging in the lineup since they are from a survival show but multiple survival show groups are like that so I don't think it's too huge. The only bad thing is how they don't have many comebacks. They are neglected which is ironic since they are the least problematic HYBE girl group, but I assume it could be more of a PLEDIS problem and not a HYBE problem.
Thier controversy is the lack of promotion for them.
@@jennypenny4212 Yeah they deserve better.
Copying a succesfull style is not new, like kpop was always liek that if something works people start copying it, not sure why it would be something new. MHJ seems to be delulu. Maybe BSH and MHJ really hate each other but it sound so stupid
cannot wait for the ploopy video about the hybe audit with new things coming out every day. Sadly we know its going to take a long time because things are literally still coming out, madness
I feel bad for newjeans, illit, and lesserafim. I wish the dispute stayed between Hybe and MHJ’s alleged criminal activity.
Don't forget BangPigFace.
It was between just hybe/mhj I think people tend to forget that newjeans Inserted.themselves with the press conference they first had , trying to defend mhj on their behalf , and giving hybe an ultimatum, thats hiw the situation became mhj vs hybe to mhj/newjeans vs hybe/ador
The most problematic thing about all of this is that ILLIT,Lesserafim and New Jeans members are getting massive hate.
I hope the so called “fans” control themselves and start acting in a civil way.
ILLIT, Lesserafim and New Jeans members are people (like everyone of us) and they don’t deserve all the hate they are getting.
Haters are thete even without this drama. They have IQ of -3 so pay no attention to them.
Illit was made as a copy of NJ because Hybe knows they have to take NJ down cause they are loyal to MHJ. Just like they wanted MHJ to make NJ a copy of Aespa to "crush them" which MHJ did not do so Lesserafim would debut urgently, unprepared.
LS's Garam was sacrified for LS's popularity. They could easily prove Garam's innocence but they didnt cayse, once again (in the leaked documents they said), it worked for Aespa's Karina, they believe.
Above are facts but no hate to any of the girls, they are just girls who want to sing and dance and be popular. Hybe is treating them like disposable objects.
The first time I heard Illit, I loved their music (I still do, guilty pleasure) because I thiught they sounded very much like NJ. I thought it was NJ he first time i heard it lol. Very fresh, very light.
So I was surprised when I discovered they are from the same parent company...do you know the only instances when a company does a "copy" of their own group?
1. When the group has disbanded.
2. When the group is flopping.
...none of which applies to NJ so Illit's concept similarity is because Hybe has been planning this all along. I think they are mad ar MHJ for veto-ing their "suggestions", so when she held a meeting telling Belift and Hybe they cannot go on with the same concept, Belift and Hybe said NO 😂😂
I wouldnt be so guilty loving Illit's music if it was a Nugu from another company or just even if they were a group from another company. Cause concepts can be shared, heck, MHJ should be flattered cause her vision is leading a trend BUT I know she knows she was about to be trashed away.
Evangeline, your makeup looks so good + you look so beautiful in this video!!!
Thank you so much!!
Hmmm. Have you seen that? They have released emails where Min Hee Jin delayed meetings and thats a factor that delayed New Jeans.
Right? saying it like it was all the truth and then add the little flip at the end made me so uncomfortable somehow
the min heejin cosplay 😭😭 excellent work as always
While I understand New Jeans loyalty, and yes, they have made HYBE bank, but they have just destroyed their careers. Depending no how petty HYBE is they may hold them to their contact until it is up.
Also, have we not forgot all the concerns around MHJ when NJ started? Like shrooming, and what is NJ YOUNG😳
Bruh newjeans is the biggest gg in korea and abroad they’re fine doing many brand deals and such. And with them rehiring mhj it seems to be going in their favor
@@gorge6885nah they are not doing good in both korea and abroad after all this controversy. Yes people do know them bt international fans already turning back on them. Many koreans moving on with other gg. Moreover they don't have stable fandom like bts or bp has. And mhj is not getting back as ceo . She is just internal director. She is now controlling by both hybe and ador. She do have 4 to 5 law suits then she will get fired by hybe. After all this NJ is the one who get awkward in staying in company.
Stay in a company that mistreat you just for your career Is exactly what allows that the mistreatment keep going (and this not only apply to kpop, but every job and even relationships). If a person feel mistreated in their job they have to talk and sale this, if you keep quiete you just allow this to keep happen to you and to other poeple. If we want to stop mistreatment in the kpop industry we shpuld support the idols who speak and boicot the companies. If NJ or any group end their career just for speak then is the fans fault for not keep supporting them just for not being under their beloved company.
@@seemats3493Agree actually. I think their fans maybe still rank them top 3 but based on the last year, I can see a shift. Also, I truly truly think a lot of their fans were BTS fans. Once BTS was brought up negatively, I could see a shift in their stats. You can look at the last singles, it’s obvious a big chunk of fans dropped off. Mostly international fans. The top based on stats rn would be Aespa, LSF, Kiss of Life, ILLIT, Babymonster mainly overseas, IVE, NJ. Not in that order but I def have the first two as a ranking 🤔 NJ is not in that top 3, ILLIT will rank higher than them. Also because ILLIT is also a Hybe group, and now former fans or neutral have a another calm, laid back,chill sound from an alternative group, ppl who now dislike NJ have no problem turning to ILLIT since they know they’ll get some similar music. (Not to say they sound similar but they both have a chill vibe so it’s relaxing to hear, like how IU and Leehi have a soft, smooth sound but sound different). Brand deals can only get you so far as a K-pop idol and I hope ppl realize that. NJ are no Bp, they cannot just rely on brand deals and fashion, they need a very solid strong backing. From what I’ve seen, they have a lot of older male fans. This scandal or whatever has aged the group, meaning in K-pop there is a peak time when you’re hot HOT, they were in their stride. Very early. This has aged them, it’s evident with certain things if you look at it unbiased. That’s just fanbase wise though, in the general public, they still do ok but not as well as before. The next cb may change that. None of this is shade, just sharing what I’ve noticed.
Yessss, I remembered this video that you posted 2 years ago when all of this chaos on HYBE (Old Big Hit) is happening, love your videos!!! Fan here and Love from Brazil!!! 😱🥰🫶😘❤️💕🇧🇷
As a fearnot, I know they will always come back stronger, using all of their turmoil as their musical inspiration. So yea, all these combats will only add fuels to their successes 💙💙💙💙💙 fighting le SSERAFIM
The sad thing about vocal hate is ALL the groups use autotune, pitch correction lip syncing, etc. and “live” just means the person was alive at the time of recording. If you watch some vocal coach/performance evaluation channels one guy picked a random K-pop “live” performance from a group we all know. Using technology the computer could not even recognize a natural human voice in the performance. I’m not saying they can’t sing, I’m saying they aren’t singing naturally without enhancement. Pretty sad. Everyone should do better.
Would love to watch the upload youre talking about! Also, I agree with you and too true about them just having to have a pulse and breathing for it to be considered live. I hate the deception
@@SprucedandGussied Sure. I was referring to Wings of Pegasus channel but there are many I also like -Justin Burke. I enjoy Brian Puspos, Kristen Dodgen and Bada for choreography and dance channels. I also like to watch movie and video producers break down what’s going on. If you google around you can definitely find the channels you like. Enjoy!
New Jeans were arguably the most commercially pushed K-pop group of all time. They debuted as the little sisters of BTS (kind of a huge deal), having plenty of brand deals, and their faces were plastered on everything in SK. Their success benefits HYBE, which is why the company invested so much into them. Unfortunately, they believe their entire success is due to MHJ...which is just weird. A whole team of people contributed to their success by writing, producing, choreographing, promoting, and so on. The fact that New Jeans refuses to function without MHJ and are being overtly hostile towards HYBE's employees and artists is unacceptable.
I think they got groomed, all the signs I wish they would shut up about her like I love them but likeeee
@@Raimu_u I think that’s likely but that doesn’t excuse their antics for me.
Blue jeans was never considered BTS's little sisters Les seraphim The seraphim was
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I personally think they have a mother connection to MHJ. Also MHJ believed in them and the fact that hybe pushed back their debut for leseraafim is crazy cause as a trainee you’ll be hurt as hell. Also I feel like MHJ was telling the truth about how the guy was jealous how newjeans got so popular with the budget of 11m. That’s not enough for a group to debut under a huge company and especially the debuts have to be amazing yk. While illit and lesserafim got more. I think newjeans success caused the drama between the two to eventually get out of hand.
The biggest groups in Hybe are BTS and Seventeen, and I've never seen any of the members being rude to any of the other groups when they interact, its actually refreshing to see it... MHJ and NJ can make the loudest noises of "Hybe don't like us," but actions speak louder.
True people so stupid cant see that bts and seventeen and other. THEIR SENIORS. Dont spread this stupid drama. 🤦🤦🤦what makes this different? MIN HE JIN using NEW JEANS(corporating) want to take over
what are u on💀💀
How much does hybe pay for comment like this
@KingoftheJiangl is this all MHJ cultist do everytime someone disagree with your delusions
@@KingoftheJiangl lit💀she thinks she is cooking smth 😭
Maybe you're trying to be as unbiased as possible so you mention Min Hee Jin's version of events, but let's stick to facts here. Everything she has accused and claimed (Source Music LSF), there is no evidence. Hybe on the other hand, has consistently shown evidence after evidence of everything they accuse her of doing.
She tried and failed to do a hostile takeover of Ador, that's a fact.
She knew exactly what she was doing when threw the red meat, which was that ILLIT is copying New Jeans. This has served as a giant distraction from the main issue at hand, which is that she tried and failed in her takeover and that's why she's now thrown out onto the street. She's now encountering a new world where she is no longer in control at Ador, and she's trying desperately to try and rewind, and dragging the New Jeans members in for that end.
BOTH parties have consistently shown evidence. This doesn't mean they are sufficient as proof of anything. In fact, this "hostile takeover" which HYBE has accused MHJ of that you guys keep pushing has been deemed insufficient by the judge not a "fact". Why are you so confident in this? It's genuinely so bizarre, I really want to know where you get your information from and I hope it's not stan twitter because that is what it's starting to sound like. These accusations of ILLIT copying NJ has already been discussed many times since ILLIT debut, MHJ brought it to court. She is not trying to rewind anything, she lost control of ADOR because HYBE unfairly ousted her out of the CEO role, which is the reason for these injunctions. To claim that "she's dragging" the NewJeans members for that end is absurd, when you see that they are already screwed with how HYBE treats them within that company, and how HYBE treated the original ADOR team. HYBE already announced they halted NewJeans album production and activities, they don't know what to do. You may as well say they are in that end.
With all the new info that has come out about HYBE/Belift, how the court has ruled in these injunctions, and with NJ/MHJ out of Ador, I wonder if you still hold the same perspective now lol.
i never commented on any of your video but i feel like this one needs an honorary mention of how i cracked up everytime you changed your outfit befitting any of the situation / incidents mentioned 🤣🤣🤣 i applaud your dedication 👏
Haha, thanks! I'm glad you liked the outfits 😄
Omg i need to grab my popcorn🍿
Yes, I very much agree! The multi-label system would be fine if there weren’t so many. Owning the initial three or four might have been okay, but they seem to add a new label almost every time they want to debut a new group. I don't think they've gone a year without debuting a new label/group since the reatructuring into Hybe. Not even SM or JYP would dare to debut groups as often as Hybe has over the past five years. This can't be sustainable for either the company staff, the industry, or the fans.
Well said 👏👏👏. Some hard to accept truths and ILLIT AND LE SSERAFIM should deserve more fame and recognition after this, they are so lovely to see.
Here are some reasons not to ahe them(i spent 1 hour writing this)
1. **Music is Subjective**
- Everyone has different tastes, and not every group will appeal to everyone. However, disliking something doesn't mean it’s bad or deserves hate. These groups are simply exploring different sounds and trends.
2. **Young Artists Deserve Support, Not Criticism**
- These groups consist of young people working hard in an intense industry. Hating on them only adds unnecessary pressure. Constructive feedback is one thing, but outright hate can harm these artists mentally.
3. **They Push Innovation in K-pop**
- LE SSERAFIM’s experimental pop sound, NewJeans’ focus on minimalism and Y2K-inspired aesthetics, and ILLIT’s potential to bring something new all contribute to the diversity of K-pop. It’s great to see different concepts and genres evolve in a dynamic industry.
4. **Global Success Shows They’re Doing Something Right**
- These groups have achieved impressive milestones. For example:
- LE SSERAFIM is known for their powerful performances and challenging traditional notions of femininity.
- NewJeans became a global sensation quickly with their viral hits.
- ILLIT, although newer, shows promise and reflects the evolving taste of newer audiences.
The success they’ve seen proves there are many people who appreciate their talent and effort.
5. **Hating Promotes Toxicity in Fan Culture**
- The K-pop community thrives when fans uplift their favorite artists rather than tearing others down. Spreading hate doesn't add value and only makes fan spaces more negative for everyone involved.
6. **Artists Evolve Over Time**
- If someone doesn’t enjoy the current releases, the artists might create something they like in the future. Groups like these are still growing, experimenting with styles, and evolving with each comeback.
7. **These Groups Empower Fans and Promote Positivity**
- LE SSERAFIM promotes self-confidence with messages like “I’m fearless.” NewJeans’ approachable and carefree vibes appeal to younger fans who relate to them. Groups like these spread positive energy, and it’s counterproductive to hate that.
8. **It’s More Productive to Support What You Like**
- Instead of wasting energy hating on groups, it's more fulfilling to support artists or music you do enjoy. Everyone has the freedom to enjoy what resonates with them, and respect for other fandoms enriches the K-pop community.
9. **Hate is Often Based on Misconceptions or Peer Pressure**
- Many times, hate comes from misunderstandings or exaggerated rumors. Peer pressure in fan communities can also contribute to baseless negativity. Taking time to learn about the groups can often change these opinions.
At the end of the day, all three groups represent hard work, creativity, and passion. It’s much healthier and more enjoyable to either explore their music with an open mind or simply move on to artists who align more with your taste.
I feel so bad for lesserifim and illit bc of toxic bunnies but I hope new jeans doesn't disband
As if nj hasn't received a ton of hate themselves. All the Fandoms seem to throw hate towards each other.
@@jennypenny4212 I never said they didn't but they sorta made the situation worse with the Livestream but I just hope they don't disband
Lesserafim got hate from everyone and illit got hate from everyone too. They got hate from their lack of singing and the other of hybe rigging them to debut especially wonhee who ngl wasn’t the best out of the people they eliminated who were “not doing enough” when they were outstanding
@@Player-pr2zy Here people are changing the history which happened only 2 months ago. Lsfm were called Nwjn's evil step sister with posts getting 100k likes on twitter. They were called "hybe's spy. mainly eunchae" who are there to spy on aespa. They also got cult accusations, and one such post on twitter even got 50 million views.
It was never about vocals, bcoz its a known fact since debut that there vocals are not that good, so why the hate now?
@@jennypenny4212 im sorry but the difference between the hate they got is really big, at a point literally every kpop stan (except their fans) were hating on lsfm and illit continuously , it got to a point where hybe had to take the matter in their own hands, and lets be fr , most of the ppl victimized njs (which they ofc are)
I've learned more about kpop from you than anyone else Ploopy. Hope HYBE straightens out their issues. Also, I love your voice
MHJ version of this story at the 22 mark makes no sense. Bang couldn't of went behind MHJ's back and signed Sakura. She wasn't actually signed to SouMu until Sept 2021. Chaewon was signed in Oct 2021 since her contract with Woolim Entertainment wasn't over yet. Newjeans, aka N team, had already left to the Ador sublabel by this point in time.
The most thorough and well balanced analysis of the HYBE saga I’ve seen on UA-cam. Thank you so much 🥰
wonhee seems like a perfectly nice girl but everything about how RU NEXT ended screams "we need a jang wonyoung at home" to me
I love your outfit transition 😉
16:08 if Hybe is sidelining them and instructing other groups to ignore them then it makes sense they would go for last resort actions like this, since from their POV they have no future in hybe anyways
i was having a very rough day until saw you uploaded thanks for being the best thing in my life today 🧚🧚
A new Ploopy video and it’s filled with more drama. 👀
Finally, something for me to watch at my desk until my shift ends! ❤😅
I came for the Hybe updates but I left *loving* your outfits! They’re all 🔥
I MISSED THESE VIDS HELP-
So basically, it's not that HYBE has a "girl group curse"; they're just awful at managing their girlgroups and put them into even more controversy rather than helping to deal with the controversies they already had.
It's a shame, because NewJeans and Le Sserafim have released some amazing songs since they debuted.
Current times is a min hee jin curse and maybe even actually from that shaman lol
3:42 Drinking Starbucks is a controversy? Do people not understand that not everyone watches the news or is chronically online? Not everyone is gonna know or care. That’s just the hard truth.
You don't have to be chronically online to know about the current g3ηθcide. Also, there were many protests during that time in Korea
@@deeisdee486Didn’t ask
@@Silver_Ever I can reply to any public comment like yours. Welcome to the internet kid
Hate to break it to you, but there is no genocide going on.
@ hate to break it to you, but there are many genocides going on in the world. The biggest one being in iz towards 🍉
10/10!! You worked so hard and deserve all u can get! I also love how u switched outfits to match with the group fits or topic haha 👍
Crazy is a good comeback because they not singing that much 😭 and the song is great ! Making Sakura rap should be the standard
!ploopy thank you for uploading !!🍧
I know you didn’t just put on a MHJ fit 😂 that’s hilarious. Also, the part about Bang stopping NewJeans from debuting is somewhat wrong. MHJ stopped informing Source Music about any NewJeans updates which pushed back their debut and left Source Music in more debt so Source had no choice but to grab Sakura and Chaewon and the other members of LSF
Loved the costume changes as you switched topics 🤣
I don't support any of these groups because of the underaged members but they all deserve better. MHJ is especially disappointing because of what we know about misogyny in South Korea; she could have tried to protect and uplift NJ instead of weaponizing them like this. It's so sad to see how much hate the young women from all three groups get when the problem lies with corporate leadership.
off-topic but every video u upload i just see u getting prettier and prettier! 🩷 thank u for ur videos!!
The hate towards Sakura is insane. She's been my favorite member since debut and the amount of hate she gets from from kr and intl fans is definitely not justified
For me, I don't about these new groups.
All I know is Gfriend was disbanded, and HYPE is to be blamed forever.
It’s self sabotage; it doesn’t count as a curse. 😅
They should have never let NJ made the statement. You NEVER let the talent dive into controversy like that. It's embarrassing for Hybe and ADOR, and MHJ herself. You're using your kids as a meat shield. This makes the talent sue-able. Jfc it was such a train wreck.
I agree that the multi-label system is a very bad idea as all of the labels will be competing with each other out of jealousy and envy.
But I loved ur video ❤
But the only one having trouble is Ador. They're trying everything they can to be separate from Hybe. Everyone else is doing well and collaborating with each other. It's always fun to see them doing tiktok challenge with each other.
@@lai122486 What did they do specifically to make you think they're trying to separate from HYBE?
@@bobthebuilder547-i6eum. They are the only one who doesn't use weverse, have their own app. They refused to be part of the Grammy showcase , everyone else is featured. They stopped doing challenges with other hype groups. Those are just some examples.
@@bobthebuilder547-i6e bruh, im not gonna go over all that again, search. it. up. ive seen ur other replies, kinda annoying cuz njs arent the only victims here ok?
@@bobthebuilder547-i6eeverything mhj been doing since she started working there! Every allegation you see in the media is a part of her plan to make it seem like the multi label is not working.
Look into all her texts and emails with her former vice president. And no the texts are not fabricated, they were vetted and accepted by the court as evidence. In the court ruling the judge said "it is evident that min was trying to weaken Hybe's position on Ador". Also mhj didn't deny the texts, she just said it was invasion of privacy.
I noticed the outfit changes. I love and appreciate you greatly🫶🏾
Katseye had only controversy on their Netflix Documentary Dreamstar academy! it was a speed bump but ever since its been smooth sailing. since their debut they Had 100 million streams and counting especially their 2nd single Touch. Katseye will become the next big thing under Hybe Label.
That controversy was definitely a tactic to attract more people and worked very well. It also got cleared easily by a few funny posts on Instagram by members.
Well we’ll see how it plays out 2 years from now
well u cant gurantee that now, le sserafim were thriving after the garam case (songs placed REALLY well on charts and they were one of the most liked 4th gen groups that time bc they released unfrogiven and antifragile) but soon after that their downfall began , during EASY era mostly
@@eunbearrr Le Serrafim and Katseye were like a team that both group Co-exist each and like each other. both groups have the same leader on Yunjin and Sophia who has same well like Personality who knows how to navigate their group in such a tough Competition especially the lines between a KPOP group and a Global group is not so clear anymore. both groups thrive in adversity! to give you in context what is 100 million Spotify streams everyday, Aespa a 4th gen KPOP group streams at 80 million per day. thats how insane it is the success Katseye has been receiving and its get better. as more and more western Audiences really like theor song becaus of the Fifth Harmony or Pussy Cat Dolls nostalgia and they were like here eastern hemisphere particularly the Knetizen. I guess thats the work of HYBE Labels and Geffen but mostly Hybe. because of the influence and Le Serrafim as well and even Troubled group under sub label Ador, New Jeans did influence some of their music with no bridge on their songs. better success will come for Katseye. but it is unfortunate for VCHA, I dont know what happen to them.
First mistake obviously, to have multiple girl groups debuting so close to each other. Even though Bang didn't think NewJeans would become something big. Secondly, it's clear as a birght day that the concept of NewJeans was basically taken and that in itself shows the hostility between the two!
Why do u think Bang didn't think nwjns would succeed?? Going by facts its obvious that from the 2 girl groups that debuted under hybe in 2022, nwjns had a much more expensive debut. Lsfm got only 1 MV for their debut EP and that too was filmed in a gym, whereas Nwjns got 6 MVs and many of them were filmed overseas.
If he didn't believe in nwjns then why would he spend so much money on them?? Nwjns also got the most playlisting than any hybe group at debut, even more than BTS members themselves. Do u think playlisting is free??
If anyone copied anyone it is New Jeans (or as they are known Knockoff Jeans), it has been released that Illict released their concept in July 2023, NJ concept was released in August 2023, 2 months after Illict. And if you look at NJ they directly copied the 90's Mexican girl group Jeans, even down to the style of writing used for there name. Plus now with the pending plagiarism case from Wilson Music for using the music from UK Bands Shakatak 1982 song for Bubblegum, the truth is glaringly obvious that is NJ who are the copy cats of the industry. MHJ deflecting only caused the focus to fall directly on Knockoff Jeans, and there copying of others creative talents & ideas.
@@Gabriella9183 Where did you get this info that LSF got less than NewJeans for debut? They barely got any promotions before Attention released. LSF got a whole showcase promotion livestream for their debut and hired Sakura and Chaewon with existing fanbases. 4 of those MVs were of the same song most likely shot around the same time frame. That makes it two different production schedules not four but they EDITED it to be 4. He spent money on them because that's in the contract. I don't know about the playlisting situation, but just using common sense, you would want to give a group higher chances of being successful and not a waste of money if you think they would initially sell weaker. Just a thought.
@@pamelakrause9311 You might be too young to understand this situation involving the 'plagiarism vs inspiration' debate, but these points you've brought up are actually stupid and or just untrue.
That is something good to point out, what happened to debuting like a group every few years? Keep up but they can’t even manage one 💀
It's definitely not "bad luck" Hybe sucks at managing talent and they've gone off the rails for the sake of pursuing their self interests. Here's hoping the artists find better, less parasitic companies to manage them.
The "controversies lesserafim had were controversial just because people wanted to hate on them. Many other artist have done same things but no one made a big deal out of it while they were actively looking for anything that would justify hating le sserafim, and if they couldn't find anything they just made it up.
I really hate the "fans" just bc a kpop idol is holding a starbucks cup is that now offensive?!?
Loving the outfit changes 😂🥲
Hi. You’re back! ❤
The outfit changes is hilarious! 😊 love it
0:21 GFRIEND IM STILL CRYING 😭
1:49 yeah but I love both
They're backk nowwwee buddyyy
Evangeline, I'm such a fan of your content! I really hope you post content more often.
For some reason, your way of telling stories makes me feel calm and the way you create your content is entertaining that's why I watch all of your videos over and over again.
I've tried watching Rotten Mango, Grazy TV or Midnight Theories who makes similar content like yours but you're just the best out there.
I know you pretty much run everything on your channel yourself that's why you can't upload content regularly but I believe in you so please, keep uploading videos!
I hope you get more recognition! Keep going! ☺
I love your videos ploopy, i only trust you!