2014 BMW M235i vs Lexus IS F Mashup 0-60 MPH Review: Japanese vs German Muscle
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2014
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2014 BMW M235i and the 2014 Lexus IS F may not compete head to head but they are more similar than you may see at first glance. In an extended TFLcar 0-60 MPH mashup review Nathan and Roman not only see which of these two cars is faster from o-60 but we also drag race them and of course review them in the process.
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The ISF sounds so much better, I'd still choose the ISF.
For those who don't realize,
Turbo cars operative faster at high altitudes
N/A cars suffer at high altitudes
Would have been a much different review if compared at sea level
It would be much closer yes, the IS-F likely wins...but not by as much as you'd think. Turbos provide acceleration benefits even at sea level, and the superior transmission on the BMW would also help even the playing field. Having said that, if someone offered me a free pristine low mileage M235i or IS-F of the same year I'd likely choose the IS-F simply because of the high revving, rock solid V8 and the fact they're quite rare compared to M cars.
ISF is too sick. friend has one, its soooo under rated.
There is no way the Lexus IS-F would lose to a BMW M235i.
They need a real driver to drive Lexus IS-F.
bmw is a beast period.
BMW vehicles are a pain to service and are less reliable than Lexus vehicles. There's a reason Lexus got rated #1 for luxury.
Totally agree, I'd Never buy a German car, CRAP, I work on cars, I've had Toyota for years & now a Lexus, different class altogether.
+Elley1970 Elley Having owned both Hondas and a BMW, I have to disagree. my BMW only had to go in for scheduled maintenance. My 2 Hondas have left me stranded several times.
p387t Either you have really bad luck or you're lover exaggerating.
+Bach Tran Not exaggerations. They had horrible electrical issues.
what? HAHAHA. there's a reason that bmw outsells lexus and every other manufacturer in the compact luxury segment, fuckboy. ;) and it aint the price, because lexus is almost always cheaper than a bmw for its segment.
Buy a German car?! I'm not falling for that again. NEVER AGAIN.
***** Even with regular maintenance (fluid changes, etc.), German cars require constant replacing of parts. This is true of all German cars, whether they are economy Volkswagens or high end BMWs. The cost of ownership is astronomical for such a mediocre product.
Ok bye....they rest of the world will though. LOL
Will_Powell Mediocre product... German car engineering is at the top of the world right now. The reason they are so expensive is because they over engineered to their limit. The germans literally fit as much shit into their cars as they can, thats why they need maintenance.
Jesus H. Christ They've been falling apart for the past 25 years. The level of engineering means nothing if engineers can't even select bushing material that lasts more than a couple years. German car enthusiasts are in denial. I've heard it many times, "In 2006 (or 2008, or 2012, or...) they fixed the problem." The cars are still falling apart, just like they always have. German cars don't last; they never have, and probably never will.
I agree. My husband own a Lexus and I own a BMW. My car is in the mechanic shop 3 times more. The Lexus is a smoother and reliable car.
@ 2:05 if ISFaster was driving he would destroy that BMW 😂
You're damn right!
The ISF is extremely underrated, well done Lexus
A couple of things about this video surprised me,
1. I really enjoyed it, and
2. The Lexus made the BMW look cheaply made.
Well, the Lexus was about 20k more expensive...
blutsinblue916 That, certainly, would go a long way to explaining the difference. Thank you.
They are so unprofessional
LEXUS ISF SPECIAL CAR
This is the best tflcar review so far, I really enjoyed it...
The lexus won't cost as much for maintenance in the long run
The Lexus also starts at $20+ base price :)
of couse it wont cost as much as bmw lexus plastic pos materials lol
Lexus all day
What about a re-do at sea level? Most of the TFL mash ups favor turbos.
The N54/55 has been on the Ward's Top 10 Engine list from 2007-2013 for a reason
Lexus engines are much better built and long lasting them BMW motors.
Yeah top of the list at breaking down lol
@@dreday77764 hahahahaha
Why dont you use the launch controls???
Right, so did the 2 Series do it in "5 and a half seconds" or 5.15 seconds? Which?
Nathan said 7.8 seconds and it was 7.08...
why the hell do you free rev all the way to redline always?
I wanna see a mash up with 2015 sti and the rest
Got german car. When to dealer for maintenance..980 mainly for oil change. Never german again.
Why didnt they use the launch control
Waiting for your review on BMW M4 Coupe.....
Everybody hating on the BMW without realizing these cars were built with different purposes in mind. Lexus has never valued performance more than user-friendliness (except for the LFA, which doesn't check either box). BMW's aren't about being your average go-to-work car. They're supposed to be fun. Yeah, the ISF is great to drive. But that's not what Lexus builds their cars for, and it shows. The ISF will be much more reliable, and a much better road car. But, this is why I chose the BMW (actually I have a M240i, but same sort of idea). Sure, I might go broke owning it. But I want a fun car, and that's what the BMW is. Just my two-cents.
Doesn't the 2014 IS F have new grill and back lights? Also, isn't it V6 only? What am i missing here? :)
lexus does not make ISF anymore with v8 from their LS models tuned by yamaha. there is a IS350 F sport package with v6 but it is not the same car or even a similar car. what your missing is the wide body kit, BBS wheels, bigger brakes/calipers, 8 speed transmission, ISF dedicated suspension components, Direct Injected and Port Injected V8 engine, faux carbon trim, power dome hood, faux quad exhaust, and 118 HP.
Yakin Choi
Ok, cool, thanks man, and i already knew few things you mentioned. I just got confused because the new , 2014, has redesigned look. Maybe FLC made a mistake in their description?
Thanks man. That makes sense. Never thought about going to their site.
It isn't fair to compare a naturally aspirated V8 with a turbo engine at a mile above sea level or Am I wrong?
try it at a lower elevation, gay boys.
Motortrend also did a review om the BMW and they loved it.
Love every part of the 2-series.... Ht not those undersized diminutive rear-light design. Really kills it for me
How the fuck is a isf doing 7.8 wtf it should be 4.5 to 5 seconds
Du Fuaise Every cars are slower in the USA. Becuase the petrol quality isn't good as Japan or Europe. For example, it's even in the Europe, you can see the power deferences between Shell V-Power petrol and other's premiums.
Oh ok thanks for info very interesting thanks again:)
Du Fuaise Your welcome!
That is such a lie lol
+Platinum Shadow Altitude, bad drivers.
You guys should do the next one a JDM mash up with the Miata, Civic Si Coupe, 370Z and BRZ!
12:15 "YES, five and a half seconds, 5.15." ....I'm confused. WHICH IS IT??? :-/
I agree yes.
IS needs a redo on its styling been around awhile, and the bimmer revs sooo slow
I don't know how I missed this, been subbed to TFL for what seems like more than a decade now, doh! Having said that, this is a comparo I wouldn't have guessed mentally, but these cars are pretty evenly matched even though the Lexus has a V8. Yes, I 100% agree with Roman, the 2 series (especially the one of that era) is a modern BMW that still feels like what a BMW should be, and choosing the auto (very good ZF unit) isn't quite the wrong choice you think it may be. In fact without the ZF auto it likely loses the drag to the IS-F, but not by much. This 2 series can also compete with the Lexus on reliability...not something you can say about many BMW's of that era, a few years earlier or even today. Having said all that, I'd choose the IS-F for these reasons: rare, looks great and rock solid Lexus reliability..and high revving V8! I mean what can be better than that? I mean other than the a bit faster RC-F coupe, totally awesome LC-500 or possibly the newest IS-500 that has 472 HP? I'm getting sad just thinking about how all this will go away soon never to return😢 (not everything is about 0-60, no EV will ever feel or sound like a BMW straight 6 or Lexus V8 that revs to 7300 rpm)
Edit- the BMW may have the dual clutch instead of the ZF auto, can't remember
It’s ZF. And it’s a peach of a car. I’m not comparing it to anything, each to their own; but the M235i ticks all the boxes for me.
oh ok, now it makes sense because there is no way that BMW could outrun a real IS F.
That engine (inn the Beemer) is the engine of last year and this year for a reason...
I'm here from the future to tell you to use launch control next time, dummies.
Excellent review. BMWFTW
Why Lexus ditch the LFA, anyone???
If you can't afford a V12, an inline 6 will give you the same turbine smooth performance.
Excellent Review
For once I agree with Roman. That M2 is a nice car.
After going to a car show a few weeks ago, my new question is this BMW 235 or the Audi S3. That's the comparison I'm waiting for.
Definetly the audi S3
That's the direction I'm leaning. They seemed to really like this 235i though.
Yeah, but, the S3 has an S-tronic dual clutch, quattro and makes 290 horsepower with 2 less cylinders while the M235i makes only 30 more Horsepower with 2 more cylinders, and has an 8 speed no dual clutch. The S3 also has more utility, and has a nicer, newer interior, with more options.
Tristan Rios What if I don't give a shit about none of that and just want a fun car with 6MT? Yeah, I'll take the BMW
Then get the unreliable BMW. The brand of car that every lawyer, doctor, and rich housewife choses to drive. Leaves more special cars for us people who know the true definition of a great car.
The front of the 235i is long to allow the engine to sit further back and off of the front wheels. This is a engineering technique. The look and shape of this car is dictated by the need to balance.
Mile high altitude destroys any advantage the Lexus has in power due to its NA engine.
cant resist faster and cheaper so I would go with the bmw.
Never put it in F mode gears change faster better 0-60 time, I get 26 city and 30-34 highway in my ISF and my 0-60 low 4’s 🇬🇧
I don't see merits on these "mashups" because even though people say it's not a true comparison, it still makes other cars look bad
sport mode...fuck man, that's not the issue. You need to shift manually to get the make the automatic shift at the fastest on the ISF.
$45k for a compact car...... Come on BMW!!!!!
I went and ordered an m235i whooooppppp bring on april
That's what paddle shifters are for!
You haven’t put it in F mode ffs I have one and it’s faster than that! Also we have better fuel in the uk, 99 Ron
Yeah, he left it in auto. Sport Mode + Manual shifting is faster
Japanesse? Or Japanese?
The IS was designed in 2004/2005 and it feels like it
Isf for life
That's an amazing little red car.
2 Series for $44 grand though.
3.0T looks, sounds, runs nice.
People didn't like my choice of a '98 Honda Prelude.....they'd say... Why didn't you just lease a 3 Series?
Well I'm more of a ....own a Honda guy than lease a German car guy...& the Prelude was $23K...half the price of this red car.
But, wait ROM, brother, dude, .....for a little more $... And you gave up on the backseat!
Wouldn't everyone of us shop for the New Vette. Why spend $90K+ even for Godzilla_T-R? Who wouldn't prefer the HEAVY CHEVY?
5 and a half second = 5.15? wtf
Ха ха )) что за Русский все время в кадре? :)) искренне не понимаю почему у вас так мало просмотров и много дислайков.. даже у нас в РФ так качественно не умеют снимать.. ну а ведущие заслуживают отдельных благодарностей. большое вам спасибо.
AGAIN...
A 2014 Lexus IS F-Sport (250 or 350) is DIFFERENT than a 2014 Lexus IS F.
"F Sport" is NOT the same as "F."
OMG please don't say the M235i matches your personality, bc happen to love that car.
after I see that lexus is F and feel it ..
start hate all other cars
I don't why may be it's true love ^^
I've always loved the ISF, but I gotta say, Roman really sold me on the BMW. I don't think I would have ever even considered this car if I didn't watch this video tbh. Awesome job.
Never buying a German car again. It can’t beat the Lexus if it’s in the shop. And it will be in the shop.
all cars are reliable for the first 5-6 years. German cars are far superior than Japanese cars in every category except reliability.
I think this guys work for BMW to promote for BMW. No way the 2 series bmw can be better than the isf. Plus the way they drive and u can tell they can’t even race or drive. Bullshit BMW maintenance is pain in the ass. Toyota Car always the best of the best. Isf low maintenance cost, all you need is do the old change every 5k Miles that’s all pretty much u need to do when u owne the isf. Nothing is better than Toyota. When so many people buying the Toyota Camry there’s reason, because is the Reliability
How could you compare between those cars, the isf was built to compete with the V8 M3!!!!! & it failed badly so know comparing it to the V6 turbo . Come on
FUCK!!! They're both my FAVORITE BRANDS OF CARS!!!! Lexus as my Daily and bimmer for my weekend!! BTW that Lexus V8 SOUND Though!!!!!! O_O
Dat BMW.
What? Did we listen to the same video. The BMW sounded like a vacuum cleaner.
Oh. Guess not. In think the BMW sounds better. Probably because I'm german. Not sure :p
Elgin Lam Not even. The Lexus sounds like a blender.
@@diamond_movado i own an isf, my buddy own an M2
we both agree my car sounds better. clean your ears.
@@ogmechsftw Uhm it comes down to preference. The isf doesn't need an exhaust, it sounds better stock exhaust.
ahahahahha @ 10:52
Every time I enjoy the girl in the beginning of the video. Please, don't change start of the video. Thank you, she is magnificent.
FYI: We change the intro every month. So you still have over two weeks to enjoy your new love ;-)
+Михаил Варнаков
Quite ugly if you ask me LOL
this isnt a 2014 IS F i have one
Nah something isn't right. Altitude shouldn't matter hat 0-60 on that ISF is just way too slow.
Altitude shouldn't matter? Are you learning disabled?
I know I will get slammed for saying this but an EVO is quicker than both of these and can be had for $34,995...yes the interior is cheaper, but the EVO is just plain BADASS!
You mad bro?
buildmorefarms100 actually yes, very offended by misinformed people.
According to Motor Trend, the Evo GSR does 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. This Lexus 0-60 is 4.9 per Nathan at sea level and 5.85 seconds during this test at 1 mi above sea level then he did a run that was 7+ seconds 0-60. Read it and weep Andrew. The Evo is quicker.
buildmorefarms100 try googling again my friend. the isf does 0-60 in 4.3 secs, quarter mile in 12.6 at 112 mph STOCK ask me how i know. ive owned evo 9, evo x and now ISF. try again. isf actually could do 4.2 secs stock under right conditions.
So now Im your friend, great! Before you said I was retarded? Hmm...Well Nathan was only able to do 4.9 -7.85 seconds for the Lexus.....0-60 that is the truth documented in this video. The Lexus is almost twice the cost of an EVO GSR. For that money it should be way faster. Even the BMW is only 44k.
$70K for that Lexus?!?!?!?! WHAT!?!?!
Shanmuga Sundaram no, i dont like it. just think that the price is too high
that's why i said "that" lexus
Shit bmw m235i has already dissapeared from the streets. Is f anytime.
Lexus is more attractive . M3 is faster
#BringBackStickShift
Ya the ISF would be amazing with a stick, but the Japanese are known for making high tech cars as opposed to driver involved cars. The ISF would really be 10x better with a 6 speed manual. It looks gr8 and the V8 has enough go. Thank god atleast BMW still cares about the purist market with cars like these and the new 3/4 series. Even the M5 and M6 can be had with a manual gearbox.
@@647killa Please. The ISF's 8 speed literally paved the way for bmw's favourite ZF 8 speed gearbox that literally every single bmw product is using nowadays.
Just look at those wimpy looking seats in the bmw.. Quite disappointing.
Lol...5.6...yon cant do it in 4.8 second.....
They're high altitude texting so 5.8 is average..
4.8 is at sea level with a empty gas tank
Say goodbye to v8s :(
Roland is way too bias lol
fake....isf is rival for m5
These guys need to stop doing head to heads of turbo cars vs naturally aspirated cars at elevation. What's the point? The turbo car has an insane advantage by nature of how turbos work. The paddle shifters(manual) would get you a much faster time as well on the ISF.
well thats real life you not lways going to be at sea level it needs to be compare in every life situation is nobody’s fault lexus is n/a and cant keep up with bmw at high altitude
Lol typical asswipe people here complaining about German reliability, or the lack thereof. Please if you can't afford premium gas and synthetic oil, and can't be bothered to maintain it any other way but through a stealership, don't buy any car for that matter and ride a scooter. Both cars are premium cars and Lexus parts and maintenance on a V8 won't be your typical corolla money. Both cars are expensive and great in their own way. BMW's are stupid reliable and I can go on about my fathers Lexus rx300's and Is300's problems all day long, but the truth is, my father isn't so handy with cars and can't be bothered, so his Lexus costs him twice the money than my e46 M3 and my e46 328i cost me. These aren't silly Mercedes or old vw/audi's we are talking about. Please don't associate BMW's with other German brands unless you've driven, tracked, wrenched, and owned one for a very long time. As for this mashup, great cars both of them, but I'm a sucker for 'the ultimate driving machine' and a straight 6 engine. Plus BMW gives me a proper 6 speed manual and near perfect weight distribution. I'd take the bimmer all day. If you want a Japanese muslce car that isn't trying to be a freaking GTR, ISF is a good value. Gr8 mashup guys !
Yeah, I've wondered where they get this unreliability information from. Also, since when have GM, Ford and Chrysler become bywords for reliability ?
I really want to read your comment but its longer than that bmw manual book :(
mohammad ali lol no problem my friend. Take your time.
I have an ISF and I can tell you that the servicing costs no more than a normal IS250. The main difference in price are the brakes, which are Brembos are are more expensive. I track the ISF so I know the main parts that need replacing are tyres and brakes, nothing more. I won't comment on the BMW reliability horror stories because there are more than enough around. With Lexus, you press "engine start" every morning and you know it starts. I work full-time, I don't have time to waste spending in a car workshop.
Lol great to hear an owner chime in with their opinion. Your horror stories might apply to you, if you have owned a bmw in the past that Is. I live in Canada where parts are all taxed up and pricey, yet being a full-time mechanical engineer, my M3 starts up every morning, never left me stranded like my Audi A4 every other week, and never gives me any more maintenance than the usual items. While I respect your opinion, plz don't bring in internet garbage about unreliable German cars and other 'horror' stories, because the RX300 we own has been nothing but a pain, and at 170,000 km its squeaking and rattling to death. I track regularly at Cayuga Racetrack in Ontario, and I have never had those 'subframe' or 'VANOS' failures. Clearly, if you can't afford to wrench (if needed) on your car and go to the dealership for everything, you will have horror stories to tell lol. Notice I'm talking about BMW here, not Audi or VW as the 2 that i have owned really have left me stranded. I am a JDM car guy myself, and my brother has a twin turbo supra and I have owned many cars including an R32 skyline GTR. I will say again that plz do not associate BMW with the other german car manufacturers that are unreliable, especially if you have never owned, tracked, and daily driven an //M car or any bmw for that matter (just saying, maybe you have owned one). We all got opinions, experiences and stories to tell.
100% fake isf do 4.6sec/100kmh if you can drive
They are at high altitude which takes power away but turbos help make up for some of the power
jesus christ, its like you didn't even watch the video. what an idiot.
The Bimmer wins :)
I love that: The BMW wins and that a 6 cylinder engine beats a V8. You know that the world does not revolve around a V8 engine. M235i about the same size as the E46 3 series...perfect
Stop begging for money.
Why dont you stop telling them what to do!
I aint spending money on gas to come over and make you!
Wow that Lexus has to have one of the worst sounding v8s I've ever heard
Who would buy a 2 series. Hahahaha