Damasko DK30/DK32 with in-house A26 Movement
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Today, we are checking out the new Damasko DK30 and DK32 watches that use the new in-house A26 movement. We will show the watches, as well as get into an in-depth movement discussion.
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My respect for damasko just went up. I’d gladly pay the asking price for an in house movement.
This is a really great overview that has significantly helped convince me why I'd prefer Damasko's in-house over their ETA editions. Especially loved the animation to explain its functions and innovations over competitors.
"I'm now going to implement pointy stick thingy." Love it!
Fun to see the new A26 movement, Marc. Thanks for taking the time to explain it. Damasko makes great watches. I had a DB5, but it might be time for a DK30.
The price increase is a tough one to swallow, but it is quite understandable why Damasko (and others such as Eterna) have created their own movements now. Seiko's "magic lever" invention for bi-directional self-winding is brilliantly simple. Glad to see it's been implemented in the Damasko movement as the ETA mechanism, now also used by Sellita, is more complex with more moving parts, and costlier to make. It's my hope Damasko can substantially bring down their price for the in-house movement models. Otherwise, they're not going to sell very many of them compared to the ETA 2824-2 models. In practical owner usage, there's nothing very significant to differentiate them in daily performance. The ETA 2824 family has been an outstanding workhorse for decades with very high long-term reliability and durability.
Marc, you never need to apologise for "long" videos. Your educational approach is great and I enjoy the longer ones personally. Thanks for the education on the new movement!
Their inhouse movement sounds amazing. I do not understand people wanting an inhouse movement, just to say they have an inhouse movement. It only means something to me if it is better than commonly available movements. Damasko has clearly achieved that superiority. Great video Marc! Happy new year!😍
The increase in cost is worth it to me to have an in-house movement. There are not many watchmakers that have their own movements. This sets these watches above many others, especially at this price point and given Damasko's already impeccable reputation for reliability and durability. I will be placing an order for the ocean model on your site today Marc.
Great new movement. I like the Seiko system simplified for autowinding! Very nice. but the price! ouch! I'd grab one if it was say 200 more then the ETA version. but I understand they are tiny company and its expensive to do what they have done. All the best to Damasko excellent quality timepiece.
No need to apologize for making this new movement workings crystal clear. Amazing looking watch. Thank you.
I’ve been daily wearing my Damasko DA44 for months on the bracelet that I got from Long Island watch. The watch has been tremendous and the fit is perfect!
You sold me! I want a Damasko now! Thank you for teaching me about there movement! Learned alot today!
Glad I could help!
I’m watching this wearing my Sinn 856; now it looks like I will finally have to pull the trigger on a Damasko. Good luck with the new website launch!
This is one of the most honest brands! What you get for your money is incredible! And that's compared even to Seiko. Genuine, modern design, absolutely genuine metallurgy, in house movement, and not massively overproduced. Metallurgy on these are incomparable better than Swiss or Japanese "butter" steel. If you want to wear a watch every day, and you don't have servants to do manual things instead of you, don't buy AP, PP, even Rolex, because when they loose their perfect finish, they will not be AP, PP...any more. So, Damasko is elegant, luxury watch that can replace your g-shock. I only wish that they do not become Nomos.
You did a better job explaining this then Damasko did. I think I prefer the way Oris added performance to their new movement, but I can see the value in Damaskos movement.
Man, I do love your vids! You just identified exactly what's wrong with my one 2824 clone watch! Oh, and seeing Damasko's new winding module gets me all excited. At first I was put off by the updated price, but now I get it!
That spring drive is amazing
The blue no date will be mine soon!! Excellent educational video and I'm glad you didn't throw up on the watch 🤣
Great comparison, Marc! I absolutely love my DS30 and their in-house movement just made an already outstanding watch even better. It may be time for me to upgrade in a different color variation.
On a similar note, I’ve noticed that there aren’t any videos floating around displaying the new DS3X steel bracelet on either the DS30 or DK30. Would love to see a video on that. Thanks!
Great explanation of the different movements (ETA, Seiko and Damasko), just a shame the Damasko powered one appears to be about 50% more expensive than the ETA version. As you say though, Damasko should be congratulated on developing their own movement.
Their own movement that appears to be so similar to the ETA movement given so many parts are interchangeable. So much for being ‘original’
@@cc8530Always doubtful how in house in house movements are .
Gee thanks Marc, just got the first Damasko and now I want a second.
Great content Marc. Please do more like it. I don't think your viewers mind that they are lengthy.
Agreed! I enjoy when he goes into detail!
Thanks for taking the time do this Marc. Very informative.
This is great. Thanks for a well done explanation. Would like to see some A26 movements out on the open market.
Good video. My concern with a small manufacturer having their own movement is servicing. I have a watch from one of the premier Swatch Gp brands and can take it to various places where I live to get it serviced but I would imagine the options are limited for a brand like Damasko. It would be interesting to hear what people with actual experience of servicing this type of movement think?
Nice episode. Been considering a damasko for my next watch. This new movement is a big deal in my opinion. Very cool. I definitely would pay a premium for an in-house movement. The architecture of the movement and finishing are pleasing to the eye.
Authentic love shown for your spring drive watch!
right on
for sure. bravo to Damasko. Would be cool if Sinn started something similar.
I know this doesn't have to do with the video but my islander (isl-18) arrived a few days ago and I absolutely love it! It's my 1st watch and I am SOOO glad I went with L.I.W big fan of the channel and I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas. ⛄🎄
That is awesome!
Really nice that they use hardened steel for the winding gears. It’s kind of ridiculous that eta uses brass. No wonder why that eta movement breaks if you hand wind it everyday. Great upgrades, but the price is a lot higher.
Thanks for another excellent video Marc ... not a lunch & learn ... definitely a great tutorial. You turned me on to this great company a few years ago Marc and I’ll be forever grateful as I have a few in my collection now and they are some of my very favorites. I’m hoping these new models with the new in-house movements drop down in price a bit in time.
I very much appreciate your approach to sharing and educating the watch enthusiast community Marc!!!
Sold my DS30, I regretted it a day later, I'll get another one next year, superb watches.
Thank you for another excellent video. Honestly, the watches didn't do much for me, but I'm glad I stayed for the movement. First because you explain why they tell you to avoid hand winding an ETA2824 (and other ETAs as well? I hear Valjous don't have the same problem.). Then for explaining the Magic Lever. Why has ETA never corrected the problems that have been around for decades? Do Sellitas have the same problem with the winding system?
I think they do.
Thanks for the review. Very little out there on the A26, so this really helps. Have ordered mine. I'm in the EU, there is a four week lead in time. Cheers.
Thanks for the lesson in watch movement design!!! I love learning about how these things work. It helps to understand what you are wearing on your wrist! Great video as always Mark!!!
Thanks for explaining it. This has to be the one of the most reliable, if not the most reliable movement in the market.
Great video Mark and goes a long way to justify the cost differential. Damasko should be well pleased with that explanation. I'd be happy to pay the difference.
Not bad! A bit plain but an ideal no-nonsense all-rounder and the blue with the black date window looks great! I still prefer my Hamilton 38mm Khaki field watch with the H-10 movt and on a bracelet...Cheers, Marc and have a safe New Year.
You hear in-house, but when you actually see what they have done it's definitely worth the premium. They had durability in mind which shows they take pride in their work.
Why i love Sinn's overengineered watches too.
Thanks for the info Marc. I have one watch with the Eta movement and now I’ll worry about winding it, although I don’t wear it often. 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
As the gap between the ETA and the in-house has decreased it makes more sense to buy the DK.
What a great industrial looking movement! And with a full balance bridge!
About to get my DA46 with invincible bracelet in the next few days!
Neat watch! Good explanation of the differences in the new movement. Not sure I'd spring for it- not enamored of the aviation look, but as a watch, very clean and innovative.
Love Damasko. They have such a nice finish on the cases. You should do a Damasko vs Sinn.
Thank you for your review as it has shedded more light on what you are paying the extra money for .The DK 30 Damasko in comparison to the DS 30 Damasko . I have only recently been looking at German watches specifically the Sinn 556 , however this is 38 mm & a basic ETA movement & I have at least a 7 inch wrist . Where as the Damasko DK 30 is a 39 mm more robust & a great movement by the sounds of you have explained . I could see buying the Damasko DK 30 however I have a question ??? What would you say , would be a similar watch in swiss in terms of price & movement . I ask you this as it is CLEAR that you know your stuff & your opinion would be appreciated , thanks again for your review I was glued to the screen as a watch movement is as important if not important as the look of the watch.
I love everything about the watch the exceptions of the dial and hand design. I think this watch with in house, case, with sinn 556I hands and dial would be perfect.
I’ve had the DS30 Ocean on my wishlist on your site for a while and I think you’ve sold me on the dk32 as an upgraded movement.
Very informative. Thank you. These are excellent watches. Everything you need and nothing you don't.
God damn! This watch and the bracelet... almost perfection!
I just wish they had a diver model. Right now they have one but it's not really the one i am looking for.
That symmetrical balance bridge is pretty nice 👌
Great video and thanks for the info on the movement. I saw the Seiko style winding movement when you turned it over. That and the full bridge are great additions to a solid movement.
I could not break mine ! So I thought go heavy so I took my dozer and ran over it ! Needless to say I lost my track ! Excellent German quality ! Tough as a panzer !👍👌
Cool explanation of the movement and changes. The price premium is steep considering the lack of practical improvements such as a longer power reserve or being antimagnetic. Does anyone know if this movement is made in Germany? They don't say on their website that I can see so I am guessing not. If thats the case I would pass, if it is then it is more interesting. Just always wished companies like Sinn and Damasko used German movements.
The marketing claims implied that Damasko intended for their in-house movements to be truly manufactured in-house, on premise, at their factory. Given the use of common interchangeable parts with ETA and Sellita, I would assume that they would purchase common parts, and manufacture only those parts which are unique to their movement. I would be shocked if Damasko trusted the movement assembly process to a contractor. Their stated long term goal has been to become a fully in-house watch maker utilizing German labor and materials as much as possible. They have been incrementally moving in this direction for a few years now, by modifying ETA movements for their higher end watches.
Same specs, the price is higher, it’s not easy convincing people for justifying this move in my opinion.
Maybe this modifications are finally not so good with time... maybe.
This day, in-house mouvement are a trendy thing this days ;)
I have a DS30 Ocean as well, but with a blue seconds hand. I bought it used, not sure why it has the blue second hand, anyway one of my favorite watches. Buying now with the in house would be hard for me to pay the upcharge.
What is the antimagnetic rating in gauss?
Please can you do a similar video for the h-35 movement?
The movement is anti-magnetic according to DIN 8309. According to the DIN 8309 (Deutsche Industrie Norm - German Industry Norm), an anti-magnetic watch must resist a magnetic field of 4,800 A/m (Ampere per meter) or about 60 Gauss and have a maximum deviation of 30 seconds per day.
horologyzone.com/watch/watch-school/anti-magnetic-watch.html
Probably still around the 4800 a/m (60 gauss) of the ETA. No silicon balance spring in the A25/A26. That would have sent this movement over the top for me, but it would have also increased the price significantly more than they already have.
Very cool. Thank you for the explanation Marc 😊👍
If you also add the bracelet, you're looking at like 2400 $2,500. I would call that a bargain. Lots of AR coating, a watch and a bracelet that are going to hold up and look like new......years from now, and a in-house movement. There are certainly some Swiss and Japanese companies that would be charging you five grand for this watch! Lol
Fair to say that when the economies of scale set in for the new mvmt watches, we'll see the prices go down, at least a bit?
Nice discussion, Marc
Thank you
I’d imagine so
Excellent overview of the new Damasko in house movement. Im gonna take a closer look at the brand in the near future. 👍
DS30 was already kind of my grail watch. This is better. I'm also glad that I'm not forced to buy a bracelet. I find all metal bracelets equally worthless.
Very interesting and informative, thank you. It seems that these are really good watches, with everything you need and nothing you don't...
That's cool but that really puts it beyond my price range, As long as people keep buying them I hope it turns out well for them.
Thanks Marc. Questions... Is there a ghost position on the crown with the no date? Is the rear glass sapphire?
Thanks for educating us! Nice overall designs. Love that blue dial..👍
Mark-Does the no-date A26 have a ghost date position? Thanks
Can the ETA movement accommodate the steel gears, to get rid of the brass ones?
I think they are going the same path as Sinn, and Nomos with having a premium on their in-house movements, but they make it also more unique.
I feel Damasko has to make a color scheme that is only obtainable with the in-house, otherwise for most people ETA is a better choice for servicability.
I was in the market for a Sinn 556....then found out about the Damasko DS30... > then DK32 and feel deflated to find out this thing is almost 1400 bucks. I thought these things were supposed to be under a grand. Oh well.
Spring drives the nuts
Really appreciate these instructional videos. Also, my Islander bracelet (BRAC-08) came a few days ago and I love it.
Great to hear!
It's commendable for Damasko to be independent. However, unless Damasko is targetting geeky customers or dealers who are willing to conduct a movement seminar like you (you did an awesome job), I don't think this dk watches will appeal to many people. Even for average consummers who know what in-house movement means, a new watch with a new in-house movement should have either a unique selling point about the movement (eg. Substantially longer power reserve, better accuracy or cosc/metas certification) or at least some marketing effort to make the watch different than its predecessor or at least throw in some unique strap or new case materials, etc. Maybe I'm just speaking about Tudor/Omega/Oris strategy. Damasko does not make this watch different enough to warrant the price different.
I really like the DS30 green... Dime day I Will get it. Great concept for the movement.
Really good review Marc I adore damasko for their excellent technologies used on the materials, so you think it's a more refined movement then the nomos within the same price range?
Your no date flieger in a 38mm size would be a genuine rival.for this....and that's high praise indeed?
I own 2 Sinn watches, U1 U2 and a 104 Limited edition and also a Glashutte Original SeaQ Panorama Date... I want a Damasko but prefer bracelets but $ 600 bucks is a bit steep. My wrist is 7.5" and most leather and Hirsch Robby straps are too short.
Wow! What a Seiko magic lever can sell for $100, you change it to another name and can be sold for $1000+, I am starting to really appreciate what Seiko brought to horology.
Magic levers also sell for many thousands. That Spring Drive in Marc's Grand Seiko has a magic lever. The price isn't just about the magic lever.
The balance bridge is actually superior to the balance cock because it increases reliability and overall chronometry. The balance bridge has two supporting screws instead of one.
Really like this. It's a practical and well designed daily wear sports watch.
Marc, do you if the new movement is more accurate? If so, I would think they could offer some kind of an upgrade for existing clients. I love my ETA DS30, but might be tempted if they offered that. Thanks for another great video!
Great video Marc, really enjoy your channel. Can you tell me the accuracy of the new movement?
Thanks for the detailed explanations, super useful!
Do you know how precise the Damasko movement runs?
My DK32 is running -5 sec in 72 hours.. bought it four weeks ago
Hi Mark. I asked you about the Seiko SRPD31 a few/couple months ago (if you remember which I doubt you do😅 )and you had said you couldn't get one in. I don't know if you handled one of these but I managed to get one for Christmas and wow for a 43 mm watch it wears very small. Well on me anyways.
My only grip is that the way its curved on the back only the hard lux crystal makes contact with your wrist and it kind of "sticks" in place. Its not to annoying though especially if you don't want the watch to move too much on your wrist. So if you get a chance to carry these I think you should consider it. Its defiantly something different from the dearth of other similar models Seiko has out there.😅
Great review Mark!
Love the looks of these a lot, but 39 mm is too small for my 7.5 inch wrist. Please make a 42 mm.
Happy holidays. Damasko at this new price point vs Sinn? Sinn might have an ETA movement, but there is a greater chance you can get that fixed without having to send it to the manufacturer.
Way too much money for this watch… Just because they made their own movement doesn’t mean it’s really better… And even if it is it’s still doesn’t justify a 60% increase in cost.
A very merry Christmas to you Marc and a prosperous New Year
Yes.
Happy Holidays. They could have dressed up their new and more expensive movement.
Although I really appreciate the engineering that's gone into this, I cant see the increase in price as justified.
I completely agree, and its a sticky situation for watch enthusiasts. The hive demands "in-house" but is quick to complain when the service or repairs are expensive, or when they get told it's going to be 10 months before the manufacturer "gets the parts" to conduct the repair. The older I get, the more I appreciate long-term sustainability from tried, true, and proven systems. I've come to see more value in that versus "hey, look, this one is different!"
I could see the price falling as production scales up and tooling costs etc are recouped
Nice... but $680 additional dollars nice? If this was a $20,000 watch, you might be able to shrug it off. But a 70% increase on a $970 watch is a significant increase for what is, apart from the movement, the same watch. EDIT: For that money, they couldn't match the date wheel? Lazy. Halios did it on the Seaforth (2824-2) for $675 and they lack Damasko's economies of scale.
I disagree. To me, it feels more like a $5,000 watch for less than $2,000. Whereas the ETA-movement version seems slightly overpriced, if anything.
@@alliejr I wasn't talking about what it "feels" like (subjective), I was talking what it "is" (objective). The difference in price from the DS to the DK is $680. $1650 divided by $970 is 1.70103... Which is a 70% increase in price based solely on the new movement. And for all the hype, they didn't even match the date wheel on the blue model.
Side note: I continue to shake my head at this new brand of watch enthusiast who yammers incessantly about "in house!" when many of the brands they covet all got their starts and made their marks using off the shelf movements.
I think the price is justified. If the movement doesn’t matter to you then of course you wouldn’t see the additional value in the watch. I think the comparison between movements is akin to engines. There’s the Toyota FRS and then you have the new Supra. They look the same, but have different hearts.
@@expatcentral Don't get me wrong... I appreciate the movement (despite still using 2824 compatible parts). But, as Marc said, it's a tough sell. Maybe if they had chosen to put the A26 in a new model, you wouldn't be able to make the direct comparison. This is akin to Oris putting their new Calibre 400 in their Aquis and jacking the price from $2200 (on bracelet) to $3500: a 59% increase. Insistence on the buzz of "in-house" will only price watches higher and higher. Great for producers... not so much for enthusiasts.
And before anyone comes in with the "But R&D on a new movement costs a lot of money and Damasko needs to recoup the cost" argument, my point has nothing to do with that. I understand WHY the price has increased. I'm focusing on the practical outcome of the DECISION to go "in-house".
If, as Marc states (and I think is general knowledge), many watch manufacturers were forced to look for alternatives after the SWATCH GROUP's threat of cutting of the supply of ETA movements, then producers need look no further than Sellita. The SW200, a practical clone of the 2824-2, is actually cheaper than its ETA counterpart which would have allowed Damasko to LOWER the price of the DS30 without sacrificing function, reliability, etc. Instead, they chose to bow to the in-house denizens resulting in a much more expensive piece. What happens when the DS30 is phased out and the DK30 becomes the only option? It'll be one less quality watch for those without deep pockets. And for what? A different bridge and an updated winding system?
I own the DS 30 special edition with the date at the bottom by the 6, running with a 2824 and wish it had a display case back. It is an awesome watch!
The ETA 2824 is about $300 or so and Damasko is charging an extra $700 for the watch with their in-house movement. To put it into perspective, you are paying the same price as the regular DS 30 with an ETA and an additional $700, so they are charging 3 times the price of the ETA ( $900 just for the movement), figuring an extra $100 for the display case back. Wow, that seems like a heck of a lot for just a movement ! Other in-house movements like those made by Yema certainly aren’t priced that high.
Some commented the price may gone down; one can only hope. Damasko and other watches brands have increased their prices this year and I hate to say it is not likely that Damasko is going to reduce their price on this watch. You don’t see prices going in reverse unfortunately. It appears they are moving into the Sinn market with their pricing.
The price difference for the models without complication (ETA -vs- Damasko calibers) is roughly $450.00 at actual retail.
Yema is a tremendous bargain. They sunk millions of dollars up front into the development of their new in-house movement. Damasko is taking a more incremental approach to developing their in-house movement. These two companies have radically different business models.
Damasko could have simply sourced Sellita movements instead of ETA. But, they have ambitions beyond the capabilities of this aged, if proven, caliber. Reading between the lines, Damasko seems to be aiming at breaking their dependence upon Swiss materials and labor. The rising cost of labor in Switzerland combined with the seemingly unrelenting strength of the Swiss currency makes this a necessity for long term growth.
I anticipate great things from Damasko in the next decade. All they are missing is a genius industrial designer.
@@amaxherman You are comparing apples and oranges; an ETA movement model with no complication against an In-House movement with complication. Apples and oranges.
The price differential between two functionally comparable models (both sans complication) is about $450.00. The ETA 2824 elabore movement tends to retail in the $350.00 range, by itself. It has a service interval of 5 years. Presumably, the service interval of the Damasko in-house caliber would be longer. Time will tell. Is it worth an extra $450.00? IMO, it all depends upon how the movement performs in the field.
$1,450/$1,000 = a 45% uptick over the base price of the comparable ETA powered watch sans complication. This is not a 300% markup. This is not a self assembly kit watch.
Even if you infer caliber valuations as $800.00/$350.00... it is still not a 300% markup. Your math is dubious.
@@amaxherman I feel that I am attempting to correspond with someone who cannot read. Yes, your mathematics literally compare the bottom of the old range of watches with the top of the new one. The former has no complication. The latter has complication. That is literally a comparison of two calibers of a different kind. Your math is faulty as a result, and in any case cannot be replicated even on the basis of your own conflated comparison.
No one made any earth shattering claims, quite the contrary. This Damasko movement incorporates two evolutionary engineering improvements which involve fewer parts, exclude brass wear parts, and upgrade to ceramic ball bearings. All of these improvements are about durability and longevity through simplicity of engineering with superior materials. How they perform in the field will be revealed in the field.
If these movements perform as expected, they will result in a lower total cost of ownership over the life of the instrument. If your sole focus is on the up front cost, then this kind of engineering would have no value to you. It all depends upon your time horizon.
But, to impute some opaque motivation to Damasko, when their long term strategy has been clearly articulated in video interviews; is to deliberately misread their intention. If you do not care for the values of the ownership; then some other brand would be a better fit for you, because they are committed to their clearly articulated strategy, and they are moving forward with it, incrementally. This is not a short term change. This is a grand strategy being implemented methodically, in baby steps. But, you seem to be committed to kicking the baby. Newsflash: babies are not cheap.
Thank you for this important and very informative video! God bless you, sir!
Great video
Not a very Common watch had a sinn before looking forward to this one .12 weeks wait time
Very interesting. A very nice movement. However, I don’t know if it’s worth the premium.
I think they made a good decision by not going for an increased power reserve. An increased power reserve is only good if your watch sits. Sitting crown up without full power reserve my cause accuracy issues. What good is a long power reserve if the watch is going to have to be reset anyway.
I’m curious how much of this movement is actually made in Germany. The more parts that are actually made in Germany, the more justifiable the price increase would be. I personally think it’s too much of an increase, plus it’s still in-proven in the real world. How the hold up over time in the watches that are actually being worn is more important than there lab tests.
I think many of the parts are made in Germany at Damasko. They need to address their lack of information on their English website, but there are some older videos of the Damasko manufacturer process on UA-cam
@@expatcentral Thanks
Can a regular watchmaker do a service on it ? Or we need to send it back to them? What’s the service interval like ?
Marc, DA47 is discontinued? Your job is not easy, keeping up with all the Damasko reboot. Best, D.
I like the German spirit!
Just bought a watch from you tonight! If you still have the second hands let me know! If not I will live