The reason that Hot Ones got to where it did is because Sean is the Larry King of the internet generation. And I get that the hot wings have to be done to get the clicks- but honestly, if I had my preference, I would rather Sean just host a straightforward interview show. He's _that_ good.
@@macmcleod1188 it has nothing to do with the host. You think the host is drawing in the celebs shows what a huge of this guy you are. Not a single celeb who’s been on the show could even name him or recognize him on the street
As a camera op for Hot Ones LA team, I would like to see Chris Schonberger and Sean buy First We Feast back from Buzzfeed...at the end of the day Hot Ones is their baby.
I'm recalling how Brian Cohen (oneunderscore__) arranged a "group-buy" of-sorts for The Onion, and The Onion now lives... Though yeah $70 million is a pretty big hurdle... much bigger than The Onion's sale price at the time I think...
He doesn't own the show but idk why they harped on that so much. Sean thought up the idea for the show. He's not just the host, it's not a Ryan Seacrest situation. He doesn't own the IP but it's his idea and his execution.
The show definitely can’t survive without him to the same level. People are connected to people not IP same goes with Mr Beast or even this channel. When you remove the heart of a project that people connect with you lose audience interest.
When I describe hot ones to people who haven’t seen it I describe how good of an interviewer the host is and how the guests often comments on the unique and enjoyable questions being asked.
if the deal doesn't come with a 5 year contract for sean evans, then the value is basically nothing. The biggest reason you watch hot ones is sean and his in depth interview style. Sure someone can replace him, but that would be a huge gamble on an already huge gamble to buy it for 70 m!
It's like when WTF1 was sold and the views tanked because the two oldest hosts left and started a new media company called P1. They now have the same number of views that WTF1 used to have, and WTF1 is nowhere.
Whilst I agree in principle because I can't watch any theories without matpat any more but that's because he was the focus as the host, and I love Sean as a host but it's not all the focus on him, it's on the people he interviews and how they react to the heat. They do videos without him at all on first we feast and they're great
The wisest thing a buyer could do is make Sean a partner on the show. He'll be even more invested. It won't just be a job anymore, it'll be his baby, like it should be. They should give him creative control, name him as a producer, give him a nice chunk of the revenue, and he'd be at the big boy table making decisions....As he should've always been. This show should make him rich and famous. That's what a future investor should ensure Sean, so they don't lose him, and are confident he's excited to stick around to grow a Hot Ones channel. He's paid his dues IN FULL. Hot Ones should be a franchise, not attached to First We Feast, but creating more good content and mentoring new interviewers with Sean's similar sense.
@@de7oxWhile I agree that First We Feast can make videos with good number of views, Hot Ones is now synonymous to Sean Evans. Yes a lot of people clicked for the guests of the interview and watch them answer question while eating hot wings, but Hot Ones retains its viewers because of Sean. He's a great interviewer, he also involves himself in the research and that's why guests love him and a lot of people wants to be in Hot Ones. Matpat's case is different because Sean's interaction with the guest is spontaneous specially when they go up the wings. Hot Ones tried doing some segments without Sean and it feels lacking.
Mythical would make sense. They've already done the Smosh takeover in the past, so they know acquisitions of YT entities. They have a food division that would create great tie-ins. And Josh would be a great back-up for Sean, if he leaves. Get a high-profile guest to do a Mythical circuit - GMM episode, Hot Ones, and even a Mythical Kitchen appearance. Boom, all under one roof. Even partner with the existing Smosh relationship, since they have some residual mingling.
If you look at Linus Sebastien (Linus Tech Tips), he didn't like being the team owner and CEO, so he hired a CEO to manage the running of the business so he could do more of the fun stuff as a star player. I feel like more UA-camrs, as they get big, will execute a similar move to achieve a "best of both worlds" approach.
Nah those people probably got offered so much money that they can't even refuse it. If you build something for free only that it takes time won't you be tempted when someone offers you millions for it?
27:10 most of Sean Evans' Hot Ones interviews are 20 - 28 minutes long... Very rarely are they less than 20 minutes. I think the timing is usually perfect 👌
yes, if i am interested in the guest, having clear questions and responses is perfect. i dont want to wade through a 2 hour podcast where they just hum and haw and offer no real insight on the things they have been up to
We’d have to see all the numbers to determine that. They made 7 million on hot sauce sales, 30 million in show revenue. There’s more numbers not being discussed (or shown) but you are likely right at it being over valued
@@alexibarra4675 those numbers would be good for any other sort of company, but an IP like Hot Ones (or any UA-cam show really) is so replaceable and so at the whim of trends that there's no guarantee that revenue continues even in the relatively short term (
Man, I just love the fact that I can come to you guys for a real and honest perspective about UA-cam topics like this that balances a creator/creative perspective with the depth of business expertise you both have. So so good.
I think you guys hit a nail on a head with the reasons why, but I think we need to emphasize the elephant in the room - making back 70M back on this kind of acquisition will be tough. Sponsorships and hot sauces alone won't cut it. It would need a further brand expansion into other products or content types before the numbers work.
And inevitably the suits in charge will think “this isn’t that hard” and under the pressure of turning a profit, their constant notes and micromanaging will drive Sean out and ultimately kill the show dead.
12:30 Hot Ones needs Sean basically infinitely more than he needs the show in my opinion… I could almost guarantee that 95-97% of the audience leave new uploads of the show as soon as Sean inevitably calls it quits, nobody else besides someone like Nardwaur interviews people in as much depth as Sean does in my opinion! They could ask the exact same questions as Sean does sure, but we watch every single episode no matter who the guest is, because of Sean Evans! If it came down to budget cuts and either he takes a pay cut, or the show ends… I would hope that he would take a pay cut purely just to save the show… But at the same time, the guys done 20+ seasons of the show now, so it is inevitable that he’s going to want to do something different in say 5-10 years sure, but yeah, I’m gonna keep watching until he hosts his last ever show I know that for sure… The man is modern day UA-cam royalty in my opinion, there’s a reason so many people love HIM
this discussion reminds me of bon appetit test kitchen's Gourmet Makes with Clarie Saffitz. she was the absolute star of that show, which was a big hit pre-2020
That hot take of Spotify acquiring hot ones was really good! You literally made a light bulb 💡 turn on in my head qhen you mentioned that an artist promoting their new album could go on the show, once the show is done, Spotify immediately auto ques said artist's new album to play after the end advertisements. Similar to what YT does
I've been watching you guys since you've had less than 30k subs, all this to say this is one of the most well thought out break downs of a large show in the space of YT. I also think you're correct that longer format interviews are much more interesting. I have been a regular viewer of Hot Ones since 16' and think if Sean was to break away to create his own show it would still be interviewing people but a longer format. While the concept of hot sauce is interesting and funny at times, I think the real "star" of the show is the questions Sean and his team come up with. I am sure you've seen "clip" channels doing montages of guest saying" that's a great questions", which is exactly why so many massive stars want to be on the show. JMO. Cheers!
The reason hot one’s works is because of Sean. Without Sean, it’s nothing. You replace him. It’s gonna be a typical talk show. The thing is without how much knowledge and research he does, before interviewing his guest. He ask question that late night or morning talk show host don’t do. Just the surprise of how the celebrities look, is the best reaction compared to any late night host can do.
All I know is Sean Evans is the most talented and engaging interviewer I've ever seen, and the more the show prioritizes being a cash cow and the further it gets from Sean just sitting with a suffering guest asking great, entertaining questions, the worse it will be.
The biggest comparison that I can think of is when Adam Richman from Man Vs Food stopped doing challenges. The show was not as interesting when it was fans doing the challenges and he was only hosting. I believe it was cancelled or ended shortly after.
@@DreamFearlessperhaps, but as far as show engagement, it's a good example of lessen interest when the familiar hosts leaves and companies attempt to rebrand the concept
Hot Ones without Sean would be like a PB&J sandwich without bread. I don’t think many can replicate his charisma, authenticity, and depth he’s able to pull from guests. People may watch to see their favorite celebrity, but recurring *fans* will be could be watching for Sean.
I don't think enough people appreciate how much lighting, focus, and audio matter... You guys nailed all of them and beyond the substance of this content, the production is immaculate. The production value is how I qualify content before I even get into it, because if you don't care enough to get the lighting, focus, and audio right... then you're not taking yourself seriously and there's no value for me. You guys clearly give a shit enough to make the production top notch as well as the substance of the content, and it really shows!
A really good comparison to the weight Sean has in the show is with the cast of Top Gear, Jeremy, James and Hammond WERE Top Gear, and when they ALL left the show declined and fans did not care for the new hosts, apart from the "motorheads" which made up a very small portion of viewing. Then Amazon signed a $300m contract for the 3 members for a new show which has been very successful. IF Sean leaves, Amazon or Hulu will love to make a show around him and pay millions for him
Another thing about marketing the hot sauce brand, is that I haven't heard many say if the hot cause actually tastes good. So there really is no reason to buy just the sauce unless you're doing the Hot Ones Challenge. I could imagine them branching out to other "spicy foods" like Buldak ramen, which is successful for its insane spice but also providing more of a meal than a hot sauce.
Nearly every episode the guest mentions liking one of their sauces. So, after watching the show, I don't know how you could not hear people saying if the sauces are good. I've had the original classic, it was a great sauce. It's all made in collaboration with heatonist, and those guys know hot sauce.
@@supervillain3213 you think the guest is going to say that the sauce sucks? Of course they're going to say that it's the best sauce evvvveeeer. Don't be naive.
I love how Colin and Samir have been learning from all the creators they talked with and using those lessons to improve their video's. For example Jimmy's tip, to tell what the episode is about in the first 15 seconds. Keep it up, its always lovely to listent!
Agreed! How many times have celebs complemented him on his questions.? Aside from the "spicy wings" gimmick - Sean's true value to the show is his ability to ask unique, insightful and interesting questions. He can take this skill anywhere.
Love Colin and Samir. I’m not a creator , don’t even have a UA-cam channel. Just an end user of a few random channels. But Colin & Samir are so good to watch and generally hear from. Find the show so interesting but it’s because of them, replace them and their chemistry I doubt I would continue to watch. Much the same as hot ones without Shaun. Keep up the epic word Colin & Samir.. you guys are awesome.
@@kakechi unfortunately not, I know it’s not feasible for them at that cost but I still think they would be very successful with it if they were able to acquire it
Sean Evens is probably the best host in modern media. I don’t even like or watch Hot Ones, because it’s a little too uncomfortable for me, but when I hang with my friend who watches it, I’m always like WOW this guy is graceful, charming, informed, funny, empathetic… top tier personality. I’d rather have him for a show, than have that show without him.
Wait they want 70 million? Have they noticed they have a format that each interviewee would only be on the show once. So not that you really run out of celebrities and notable people worth interviewing then what do you do? It's not like you get that first time surprise from re-interviewing anyone. Seems pretty stupid and the corporations are too greedy. And you are right Sean is really the show.
I feel like the Spotify suggestion makes a lot of sense. It seems like a perfect fit for the show and having musicians there with albums readily available will just add value to their service.
It’s crazy how big that show got. I was describing it to my friend as “the show where rappers eat chicken wings” back before it blew up and my friend thought I was joking around.
Colin & Samir stepped up their personalities in this episode. For the first time I feel like they've (almost) shed their nerdy shells and have become just two dudes talking. haha ;D
This is like a grad school course in marketing more than entertainment for me. It never crossed my mind, but it makes so much sense when you mentioned “key person risk” lol I still have a lot to learn about acquisition and scaling
Think it would be interesting if mr beast bought it just on the side of feastables in itself. Whenever it gets too hot for the guest, suddenly you do a plug to feastables milk chocolate, or feastables milk shake or ice cream etc. And of course having the celebrity guest try it and like it reinforces how good it tastes even more. So you have the curiosity of trying some crazy hot sauce combined with the curiosity of trying something sweet and delicious.
Wow, a show about business with original ideas. I have a a degree in a business related subject, and have never heard anyone talk so in depth about "key person" risk. Its usually the same liquidity, going concern and credit risk. Very modern, very proactive thought
Its like having the MrBeast channel without MrBeast. Sure, all the money and resources will be there, but your main asset will be gone therefore driving everything down
I think the Spotify take is kinda iffy , if they were to do this deal like 3 or 4 years ago it would make 100% sense but now , Spotify dosent need to acquire any talk shows because its already the no.1 place to go , it holds the ace , I think giving Sean a exclusive deal and getting him on and creating a show is much more giving
"The Management," don't like it when we're happy. Hot Ones has worked cos it's entertaining. RR understood this with Deadpool. Sean is irreplaceable. Entertainment!
Sean Evans is a fantastic host. He's brilliant at moving these interviews along when celebrities push back. But let's not forget that the Hot Ones research team and producers are doing a fantastic job. They're doing some of the best celebrity interviews that aren't considered "hard hitting" but are deeper than the softballs lobbed during most other talk shows.
21:10 - This is ultimately UA-cam working as youtube was intended no? The original vision of UA-cam and also Twitch was creators being themselves and bringing in the numbers that cable would see on any given night. A core element here is still UA-camrs trying to be traditional late night hosts and TikTok gen trying to be UA-camrs. Nobody asked media companies to come in and drop $50-100 million investments and I'm super happy small teams or indies can beat them.
Reminds me of how closely tied HQ Trivia was with its host Scott Rogowsky and how it wasn't the same when he left. People tuned into for the game and prize money, sure, but it was also the host. Not the creators and the next block of hosts and side games to expand the IP
I dont think the show is for gen z and same for all late night shows. It appeals to a millennial and older audience. Gen z loves a casual atmosphere like maybe in a podcast or random youtube/tik tok videos. When it looks too contrived it loses it’s relatable value
some of the recent episodes are the biggest celebrities with the fastest view counts to hit 10m of all his videos. he is getting more popular. his channel has an enduring quality - asking good, interesting questions to people and getting them to talk. he can keep going for a long time, if he wants.
Good luck finding someone who can handle hot wings the way sean has been able to for years. His interview style and question are why we tune in over and over again.
The "weather pattern" metaphor instantly reminded me of the phrase "jumping the shark", back from the show Happy Days. It almost feels like it could be the same situation.
ya idk, tbh, the Hot Ones Versus thing kinda convinced me. When yall were posing ways they could reformat the show, I was thinking the only way to do it is like Variety breakdowns or whatever they call them. Or like Wired interviews; one of these shows where a celebrity basically interviews themselves. and Hot Ones Versus seems like a proof of concept. I mean, i think the moment Sean leaves he'll be able to run his own successful interview show if he wants, but ya, I think Hot Ones would probably be fine. Now, is that worth buying? I can't imagine it is. On youtube i don't see why you wouldn't just copy an idea instead of buying an idea. Copying shit is like what this website is all about
came to video because of hot ones topic, but loved the marketing breakdown in the beginning, as an amateur sociologist that content I find very interesting, great chemistry between the three guys. well done.
Providing the show concept is strong enough it could survive a host change. We have a few uk tv shows like never mind the Buzzcocks that have had several host changes, and have faired the storm. The tv show 'Have I got News for You' lost their host after a sex scandal, the programme continued and replaced the host with a weekly guest host spot, the show is now more popular than ever. it would be kind of fun to get a guest host each episode coupled with a guest interviewee, if Sean was to leave. it is important to note that this is traditional media and new media seems to be far more precarious.
@@ColinandSamir there's also a Hot Ones Québec (that's the french province in Canada), selling off the rights to all the different regions and countries and languages... that can make $$$$.
First we Feast literally just posted a Hot Ones Versus an hour ago.. about 4 hours after this show premiered. Wild timing and great calls from you guys
This merger of traditional TV and UA-cam is crazy. Hot Ones, Donut, Car Throttle, etc, where the hosts are the show, but they have no ownership of the show.... wild. You have someone like Marcus and Jimmy who started channels and became empires. I think this recently happened with Simon Whistler where he left/quit his gig and started all his own channels. The UA-cam game is fascinating
First We Feast missed a huge opportunity when they had Sean as the guest and chose to have him interview himself using editing trickery rather than test the waters with a new host.
So glad they brought up individual creators making the same show with NO expenses. Clearly someone who doesn't have to pay many levels of managers can out compete large media companies. just a great video overall guys. Saying exactly what me, some idiot in Canada also thinks.
A lot of people are making very biased points in these comments. Listen, Sean seems like a very nice and genuine guy. He thinks of great questions and can definitely handle the spice. But he is not, nor has he ever been, one of the best interviewers - online or anywhere. He has an awkward way of speaking and often feels like he's always delivering lines. Compare Sean to Conan, Letterman, Guy Raz, etc. - he's not even in the same realm. It's hard for people to accept this when they clearly like him - and there's nothing wrong with liking him! But the show can 100% live on without him, as is shown in the Hot Ones Versus data that Samir seemed to ignore when it didn't support his argument. The concept is so strong on its own, combined with the company's ability to attract popular and relevant talent, that it can absolutely continue on without Sean. At the end of the day, more people watch the show to see how a celebrity will react to insanely hot wings - they've seen Sean do it a million times, that's not what's interesting. If it continues on after Sean, especially with his blessing, it will continue to be successful.
I agree in the sense that Sean can definitely be replaced and that he isn't the most naturally charismatic person, but he is very involved in researching his guests, crafting the questions, and making the guests feel comfortable. Conan himself called him a good interviewer, and I'd say that's huge praise. Sean can be replaced, but I don't think they can just pull someone out of nowhere who does it as well or better, at least not very quickly.
One thing we also don't know, how much of the research and questions are directly from Sean, how much are from a team behind him? If Sean moves on, does the team go too?
Hot Ones is Sean. You can't replace him.
We watch Hot Ones for Sean, not for the wings, not for BuzzFeed, not for the celebrities. For Sean.
Sean is great though your average person is clicking through for the first time due to celebrity recognition.
@@MilkInTheBowlAgreed. They come for the celebs. But, everyone who returns does so for Sean.
@@DarthGnostikosExactly
The reason that Hot Ones got to where it did is because Sean is the Larry King of the internet generation. And I get that the hot wings have to be done to get the clicks- but honestly, if I had my preference, I would rather Sean just host a straightforward interview show. He's _that_ good.
Speak for yourself 😅
Sean Evans is THE host. Some of the best interviews on UA-cam. The audience will follow him even if the old brand limps along without him.
Did you follow him when he dumped his girlfriend when the media found out she was a porn star? lol Epic move!!!
He's a good interviewer, but I haven't watch a single video because of him, only base on the celebrity I enjoy
I think Sean is critical to getting the celebrities at this point.
Sean has over a decade of establishing trust that he won't betray his guests.
@@macmcleod1188 it has nothing to do with the host. You think the host is drawing in the celebs shows what a huge of this guy you are. Not a single celeb who’s been on the show could even name him or recognize him on the street
@@b.k8051 well, e are just going to disagree on this one. Cheers.
As a camera op for Hot Ones LA team, I would like to see Chris Schonberger and Sean buy First We Feast back from Buzzfeed...at the end of the day Hot Ones is their baby.
Hey Rog! Nine Club represent! Cool that you also work on the Hot Ones show!
Rog shout out, and telling it like it is…
Great comment. That’d be so awesome
I'm recalling how Brian Cohen (oneunderscore__) arranged a "group-buy" of-sorts for The Onion, and The Onion now lives...
Though yeah $70 million is a pretty big hurdle... much bigger than The Onion's sale price at the time I think...
Isn't this the part when scooter braun jumps and sells everything out?
Sean Evans is a phenomenal interviewer, he carries that show so hard I seriously thought it was owned by him.
He doesn't own the show but idk why they harped on that so much. Sean thought up the idea for the show. He's not just the host, it's not a Ryan Seacrest situation. He doesn't own the IP but it's his idea and his execution.
The show definitely can’t survive without him to the same level. People are connected to people not IP same goes with Mr Beast or even this channel. When you remove the heart of a project that people connect with you lose audience interest.
Agreed
What happened to Mr Beast channel?
@@NonBinary_Star nothing yet, but he talked about training a succesor for when he ultimatly steps down
like bon appetit. they used to have nice talents until a scandal happened. they never recover afterwards.
@@quasiendo84ooh what was the scandal 👀
The fact that I’ve never seen this channel before and tuned in to watch y’all talk about Hot Ones speaks volumes.
Same
Exactly
Three wannabe actors in Silverlake I'm guessing
True. Never seen these guys but they cool
same
Hot Ones ain't dying till matpat goes on the show
I appreciate you carrying the torch for this one 🔥
THANK YOU!! It had to be said
I think he already did?
whats a matpat
Never heard of that name
Colin and Samir the type of dudes to stretch a 5 minute video into 30 minutes
This is so much more granular than a simple overview. And it’s in a conversational format.
Only second to Rogan 😂
It's called retention.
Hail to the algorithm.
@@Warentesterretention is when people DON'T get bored after 2 min
watch at 2x speed, speed up my dude
I thought Hot Ones was Sean's show! Super shocked to find out not even close! He's not the creator... wtf! 🤯
Same
Me too
I thought so too
He should just make his own. He's the reason it's successful. He's a great interviewer and made a name for himself.
I think he's still very much involved in the production, just not an owner. So he just gets compensated well
When I describe hot ones to people who haven’t seen it I describe how good of an interviewer the host is and how the guests often comments on the unique and enjoyable questions being asked.
if the deal doesn't come with a 5 year contract for sean evans, then the value is basically nothing. The biggest reason you watch hot ones is sean and his in depth interview style. Sure someone can replace him, but that would be a huge gamble on an already huge gamble to buy it for 70 m!
It's like when WTF1 was sold and the views tanked because the two oldest hosts left and started a new media company called P1. They now have the same number of views that WTF1 used to have, and WTF1 is nowhere.
Whilst I agree in principle because I can't watch any theories without matpat any more but that's because he was the focus as the host, and I love Sean as a host but it's not all the focus on him, it's on the people he interviews and how they react to the heat. They do videos without him at all on first we feast and they're great
@@sovupowtf1 really fumbled the bag with Matt and Tommy and so did donut (car enthusiast channel)
The wisest thing a buyer could do is make Sean a partner on the show. He'll be even more invested.
It won't just be a job anymore, it'll be his baby, like it should be. They should give him creative control, name him as a producer, give him a nice chunk of the revenue, and he'd be at the big boy table making decisions....As he should've always been.
This show should make him rich and famous. That's what a future investor should ensure Sean, so they don't lose him, and are confident he's excited to stick around to grow a Hot Ones channel.
He's paid his dues IN FULL. Hot Ones should be a franchise, not attached to First We Feast, but creating more good content and mentoring new interviewers with Sean's similar sense.
@@de7oxWhile I agree that First We Feast can make videos with good number of views, Hot Ones is now synonymous to Sean Evans. Yes a lot of people clicked for the guests of the interview and watch them answer question while eating hot wings, but Hot Ones retains its viewers because of Sean. He's a great interviewer, he also involves himself in the research and that's why guests love him and a lot of people wants to be in Hot Ones.
Matpat's case is different because Sean's interaction with the guest is spontaneous specially when they go up the wings. Hot Ones tried doing some segments without Sean and it feels lacking.
Mythical would make sense. They've already done the Smosh takeover in the past, so they know acquisitions of YT entities. They have a food division that would create great tie-ins. And Josh would be a great back-up for Sean, if he leaves. Get a high-profile guest to do a Mythical circuit - GMM episode, Hot Ones, and even a Mythical Kitchen appearance. Boom, all under one roof. Even partner with the existing Smosh relationship, since they have some residual mingling.
I think it makes sense aslong as it’s not 70 million
The Smosh deal was like only five million if I remember right? 70 mil is crazy money that mythical doesn’t have.
@@jennymcelligott I agree, maybe not a 100% Mythical investment, but a partial investor.
No way Mythical 1. Has 70 million to invest in a show that’s not theirs 2. Cares about Hot Ones enough to save it the way they did for Smosh
@@tatiannatownsend1531 ye 70 million never
If you look at Linus Sebastien (Linus Tech Tips), he didn't like being the team owner and CEO, so he hired a CEO to manage the running of the business so he could do more of the fun stuff as a star player. I feel like more UA-camrs, as they get big, will execute a similar move to achieve a "best of both worlds" approach.
Smosh took this approach and it’s working great for them as well
Nah those people probably got offered so much money that they can't even refuse it. If you build something for free only that it takes time won't you be tempted when someone offers you millions for it?
@@stellviahohenheim linus got offered 9 figures for lmg and he refused to sell
He only got the CEO as part of his apology for a controversy he had.
@@mip4422
The CEO move was even before the controversy.
27:10 most of Sean Evans' Hot Ones interviews are 20 - 28 minutes long... Very rarely are they less than 20 minutes. I think the timing is usually perfect 👌
yes, if i am interested in the guest, having clear questions and responses is perfect. i dont want to wade through a 2 hour podcast where they just hum and haw and offer no real insight on the things they have been up to
They can just rebrand a sequel called “Hot Twos”
HAWK TWOS 😌
@@WhateverWhenever888hosted by that girl
@@Zavora1 Y E S
@@WhateverWhenever888 NO!
@@just_mdd4 😭😭😭
“Acquisition and monetization of attention”. I love that. Very succinct.
its not selling cause its 70 million dollars
None of these media/consumer brands last long
Different brand, same crap
Inflation is a butthole
Theyre going to have to lower that price. Buzzfeed is too greedy.
We’d have to see all the numbers to determine that. They made 7 million on hot sauce sales, 30 million in show revenue. There’s more numbers not being discussed (or shown) but you are likely right at it being over valued
@@alexibarra4675 those numbers would be good for any other sort of company, but an IP like Hot Ones (or any UA-cam show really) is so replaceable and so at the whim of trends that there's no guarantee that revenue continues even in the relatively short term (
Man, I just love the fact that I can come to you guys for a real and honest perspective about UA-cam topics like this that balances a creator/creative perspective with the depth of business expertise you both have. So so good.
I think you guys hit a nail on a head with the reasons why, but I think we need to emphasize the elephant in the room - making back 70M back on this kind of acquisition will be tough. Sponsorships and hot sauces alone won't cut it. It would need a further brand expansion into other products or content types before the numbers work.
And inevitably the suits in charge will think “this isn’t that hard” and under the pressure of turning a profit, their constant notes and micromanaging will drive Sean out and ultimately kill the show dead.
12:30 Hot Ones needs Sean basically infinitely more than he needs the show in my opinion… I could almost guarantee that 95-97% of the audience leave new uploads of the show as soon as Sean inevitably calls it quits, nobody else besides someone like Nardwaur interviews people in as much depth as Sean does in my opinion! They could ask the exact same questions as Sean does sure, but we watch every single episode no matter who the guest is, because of Sean Evans! If it came down to budget cuts and either he takes a pay cut, or the show ends… I would hope that he would take a pay cut purely just to save the show… But at the same time, the guys done 20+ seasons of the show now, so it is inevitable that he’s going to want to do something different in say 5-10 years sure, but yeah, I’m gonna keep watching until he hosts his last ever show I know that for sure… The man is modern day UA-cam royalty in my opinion, there’s a reason so many people love HIM
this discussion reminds me of bon appetit test kitchen's Gourmet Makes with Clarie Saffitz. she was the absolute star of that show, which was a big hit pre-2020
Yea but she left and creates the ip herself now a la try guys style so
do you mind expounding? as i don't find similarity in the situation at all. but if it's just regarding key person risk, then i see it
@@26days i just remembered her it’s not that deep 😅
@@BrunoReisVideo lolol no problem, i was just deep in BA so it triggered something in me
The fact that someone else hasn't started a similar show and had it take off is evidence that Sean is the show.
They mentioned Last Meals and Chicken Shop Date…
Shocking title, especially coming from Colin and Samir
Probably A/B testing the title. They’ll almost certainly change it shortly.
@@Gbiese Literally 30 seconds in they say "could be the beginning of the end"
I see “The Fast Approaching Death of Hot Ones”. Made me click and i rarely watch this channel unless it’s a big name like mr beast or celeb.
@@Gbieseexactly, this is so them... 😂
How’s it shocking?
That hot take of Spotify acquiring hot ones was really good! You literally made a light bulb 💡 turn on in my head qhen you mentioned that an artist promoting their new album could go on the show, once the show is done, Spotify immediately auto ques said artist's new album to play after the end advertisements. Similar to what YT does
I've been watching you guys since you've had less than 30k subs, all this to say this is one of the most well thought out break downs of a large show in the space of YT. I also think you're correct that longer format interviews are much more interesting. I have been a regular viewer of Hot Ones since 16' and think if Sean was to break away to create his own show it would still be interviewing people but a longer format. While the concept of hot sauce is interesting and funny at times, I think the real "star" of the show is the questions Sean and his team come up with. I am sure you've seen "clip" channels doing montages of guest saying" that's a great questions", which is exactly why so many massive stars want to be on the show. JMO. Cheers!
Why'd you write this like you're reviewing your classmates college essay?
The reason hot one’s works is because of Sean. Without Sean, it’s nothing. You replace him. It’s gonna be a typical talk show. The thing is without how much knowledge and research he does, before interviewing his guest. He ask question that late night or morning talk show host don’t do. Just the surprise of how the celebrities look, is the best reaction compared to any late night host can do.
if sean evans is replaced, it should be someone who is already well known on the internet who takes over and who fits the vibe of the show.
This
Surprised Mr beast hasn't bought hot ones
Dude wait hear me out.... Brittany Broski?
what if its colin & samir, and they ask youtube centric questions
@@winslow8779 that's what i was thinking haha
I love when Colin and Samir do an episode by themselves. So much knowledge in this one!
All I know is Sean Evans is the most talented and engaging interviewer I've ever seen, and the more the show prioritizes being a cash cow and the further it gets from Sean just sitting with a suffering guest asking great, entertaining questions, the worse it will be.
The biggest comparison that I can think of is when Adam Richman from Man Vs Food stopped doing challenges. The show was not as interesting when it was fans doing the challenges and he was only hosting. I believe it was cancelled or ended shortly after.
Wasn't it literally killing him to keep doing insane eating challenges?
@@DreamFearlessperhaps, but as far as show engagement, it's a good example of lessen interest when the familiar hosts leaves and companies attempt to rebrand the concept
@@BecauseIWannaComment I though the host didn't leave, he just stopped participating in the eating challenges personally?
Hot Ones without Sean would be like a PB&J sandwich without bread. I don’t think many can replicate his charisma, authenticity, and depth he’s able to pull from guests.
People may watch to see their favorite celebrity, but recurring *fans* will be could be watching for Sean.
It makes the most sense for Spotify to acquire. I used to go to Spotify to see if they have audio versions bc I listen mostly when I drive
I don't think enough people appreciate how much lighting, focus, and audio matter... You guys nailed all of them and beyond the substance of this content, the production is immaculate. The production value is how I qualify content before I even get into it, because if you don't care enough to get the lighting, focus, and audio right... then you're not taking yourself seriously and there's no value for me. You guys clearly give a shit enough to make the production top notch as well as the substance of the content, and it really shows!
I did notice the audio is top notch, as good as it gets! 🎙️ 🎙️ 🔊
A really good comparison to the weight Sean has in the show is with the cast of Top Gear, Jeremy, James and Hammond WERE Top Gear, and when they ALL left the show declined and fans did not care for the new hosts, apart from the "motorheads" which made up a very small portion of viewing. Then Amazon signed a $300m contract for the 3 members for a new show which has been very successful. IF Sean leaves, Amazon or Hulu will love to make a show around him and pay millions for him
Really loved this analysis + perfect thumbnail and title, immediately had to click and delivered on premise of the video :D
Another thing about marketing the hot sauce brand, is that I haven't heard many say if the hot cause actually tastes good. So there really is no reason to buy just the sauce unless you're doing the Hot Ones Challenge. I could imagine them branching out to other "spicy foods" like Buldak ramen, which is successful for its insane spice but also providing more of a meal than a hot sauce.
Nearly every episode the guest mentions liking one of their sauces. So, after watching the show, I don't know how you could not hear people saying if the sauces are good. I've had the original classic, it was a great sauce. It's all made in collaboration with heatonist, and those guys know hot sauce.
@@supervillain3213 you think the guest is going to say that the sauce sucks? Of course they're going to say that it's the best sauce evvvveeeer. Don't be naive.
@mikko-of6cu plenty of guest trash the sauces all the time You clearly don't watch the show
@@jaylbetter8554 not the "last dab" one, which is their own sauce. Sure, they trash everyone elses sauce. You're clearly a pretty stupid person.
I feel like Hot Ones is Seans show in the sense that It almost impossible to imagine the show without him hosting it.
Can't replace Sean. Show will die without him
I love how Colin and Samir have been learning from all the creators they talked with and using those lessons to improve their video's.
For example Jimmy's tip, to tell what the episode is about in the first 15 seconds.
Keep it up, its always lovely to listent!
27:25 Sean built such a bond with every celeb, that he could just start a podcast, without the "gimmick" , and celebs would glady pull up!
Agreed! How many times have celebs complemented him on his questions.? Aside from the "spicy wings" gimmick - Sean's true value to the show is his ability to ask unique, insightful and interesting questions. He can take this skill anywhere.
feels like there was definitely a missed opportunity to make a thumbnail incorporating the dead chicken the hot ones logo
Love Colin and Samir. I’m not a creator , don’t even have a UA-cam channel. Just an end user of a few random channels.
But Colin & Samir are so good to watch and generally hear from.
Find the show so interesting but it’s because of them, replace them and their chemistry I doubt I would continue to watch.
Much the same as hot ones without Shaun.
Keep up the epic word Colin & Samir.. you guys are awesome.
I feel like Mythical could pick up Hot Ones and be able to take it to the next level
"Mythical Ones" - a show where each wing is coated in a sauce with an increasing thc content lol
@@MomirsLabTech haha that would actually be cool
mythical doesnt have extra 70 million just laying around
@@kakechi unfortunately not, I know it’s not feasible for them at that cost but I still think they would be very successful with it if they were able to acquire it
Last Meals is their original format of a food-interview show. They don’t really need another one.
Sean Evens is probably the best host in modern media. I don’t even like or watch Hot Ones, because it’s a little too uncomfortable for me, but when I hang with my friend who watches it, I’m always like WOW this guy is graceful, charming, informed, funny, empathetic… top tier personality. I’d rather have him for a show, than have that show without him.
This episode mentioning Mr Beast so often, did not age well 😅
However you guys def had an interesting discussion
Wait they want 70 million? Have they noticed they have a format that each interviewee would only be on the show once. So not that you really run out of celebrities and notable people worth interviewing then what do you do? It's not like you get that first time surprise from re-interviewing anyone. Seems pretty stupid and the corporations are too greedy. And you are right Sean is really the show.
I personally havent watched the show in years and was an avid fan who watched every episode for many many seasons.
Why did you stop watching?
I feel like the Spotify suggestion makes a lot of sense. It seems like a perfect fit for the show and having musicians there with albums readily available will just add value to their service.
Dang, this didn’t age well as Ryan Reynolds & Hugh Jackman were on the show today, & it was one of the best episodes ever
I think it's a huge deal that aside from being on snl, other channels are taking bout hot ones. Its become such a universally appreciated show.
@33:25 Don’t even think acquiring Hot Ones can save Mr. Beast. lol
Sean makes the show feel like a chill, very natural place to be in.
Mr Beast take has aged AMAZINGLY
😅🤙
It’s crazy how big that show got. I was describing it to my friend as “the show where rappers eat chicken wings” back before it blew up and my friend thought I was joking around.
This is a great conversation and I’ve learned so much watching this. Man, love you guys 🙏🏾
Colin & Samir stepped up their personalities in this episode. For the first time I feel like they've (almost) shed their nerdy shells and have become just two dudes talking. haha ;D
This is like a grad school course in marketing more than entertainment for me. It never crossed my mind, but it makes so much sense when you mentioned “key person risk” lol I still have a lot to learn about acquisition and scaling
Great content as usual! Id be so stoked to hear you interview Sean
Their HotPockets deal was a pretty genius move. Look at what Tasty did.
mentioning mr beast aged so badly
Sean Evans should have a huge career in hosting & interviews no matter the format. He’s incredible.
Think it would be interesting if mr beast bought it just on the side of feastables in itself. Whenever it gets too hot for the guest, suddenly you do a plug to feastables milk chocolate, or feastables milk shake or ice cream etc. And of course having the celebrity guest try it and like it reinforces how good it tastes even more. So you have the curiosity of trying some crazy hot sauce combined with the curiosity of trying something sweet and delicious.
Wow, a show about business with original ideas. I have a a degree in a business related subject, and have never heard anyone talk so in depth about "key person" risk. Its usually the same liquidity, going concern and credit risk. Very modern, very proactive thought
Its like having the MrBeast channel without MrBeast. Sure, all the money and resources will be there, but your main asset will be gone therefore driving everything down
I think the Spotify take is kinda iffy , if they were to do this deal like 3 or 4 years ago it would make 100% sense but now , Spotify dosent need to acquire any talk shows because its already the no.1 place to go , it holds the ace , I think giving Sean a exclusive deal and getting him on and creating a show is much more giving
Hot Ones is one of the last remaining original shows on UA-cam that is NOT run by pedophiles. Corporate America can't have that continue.
"The Management," don't like it when we're happy. Hot Ones has worked cos it's entertaining. RR understood this with Deadpool. Sean is irreplaceable. Entertainment!
Sean Evans is a fantastic host. He's brilliant at moving these interviews along when celebrities push back. But let's not forget that the Hot Ones research team and producers are doing a fantastic job. They're doing some of the best celebrity interviews that aren't considered "hard hitting" but are deeper than the softballs lobbed during most other talk shows.
21:10 - This is ultimately UA-cam working as youtube was intended no?
The original vision of UA-cam and also Twitch was creators being themselves and bringing in the numbers that cable would see on any given night. A core element here is still UA-camrs trying to be traditional late night hosts and TikTok gen trying to be UA-camrs. Nobody asked media companies to come in and drop $50-100 million investments and I'm super happy small teams or indies can beat them.
Reminds me of how closely tied HQ Trivia was with its host Scott Rogowsky and how it wasn't the same when he left. People tuned into for the game and prize money, sure, but it was also the host. Not the creators and the next block of hosts and side games to expand the IP
YES, I’ve been waiting for yall to talk about this show
The fact that you included the last dab into your show so easily foreshadows a bit of how Hot Ones needs to adapt or they may fade.
I dont think the show is for gen z and same for all late night shows. It appeals to a millennial and older audience. Gen z loves a casual atmosphere like maybe in a podcast or random youtube/tik tok videos. When it looks too contrived it loses it’s relatable value
Sean has done well for himself. Hot Ones cannot live without Sean, the question is whether Sean can thrive without the wings format.
Hot ones is still decent, but they havent had a youtube person since MKBHD. Even then is basically 100% hollywood show now.
Sean is an incredible host, as is his team that supports him. Been a subscriber of his since day 1, could not imagine another host replacing him.
with respect, these dudes speak in LinkedIn language man😭
some of the recent episodes are the biggest celebrities with the fastest view counts to hit 10m of all his videos. he is getting more popular.
his channel has an enduring quality - asking good, interesting questions to people and getting them to talk. he can keep going for a long time, if he wants.
Came for the interviews, stayed for the deep dives
Good luck finding someone who can handle hot wings the way sean has been able to for years. His interview style and question are why we tune in over and over again.
I'd love to see you interview coffeezilla or answer in progress or Nick DiGiovanni...
The "weather pattern" metaphor instantly reminded me of the phrase "jumping the shark", back from the show Happy Days. It almost feels like it could be the same situation.
ya idk, tbh, the Hot Ones Versus thing kinda convinced me. When yall were posing ways they could reformat the show, I was thinking the only way to do it is like Variety breakdowns or whatever they call them. Or like Wired interviews; one of these shows where a celebrity basically interviews themselves. and Hot Ones Versus seems like a proof of concept. I mean, i think the moment Sean leaves he'll be able to run his own successful interview show if he wants, but ya, I think Hot Ones would probably be fine. Now, is that worth buying? I can't imagine it is. On youtube i don't see why you wouldn't just copy an idea instead of buying an idea. Copying shit is like what this website is all about
came to video because of hot ones topic, but loved the marketing breakdown in the beginning, as an amateur sociologist that content I find very interesting, great chemistry between the three guys. well done.
Providing the show concept is strong enough it could survive a host change.
We have a few uk tv shows like never mind the Buzzcocks that have had several host changes, and have faired the storm.
The tv show 'Have I got News for You' lost their host after a sex scandal, the programme continued and replaced the host with a weekly guest host spot, the show is now more popular than ever. it would be kind of fun to get a guest host each episode coupled with a guest interviewee, if Sean was to leave.
it is important to note that this is traditional media and new media seems to be far more precarious.
I commented this without getting to the versus segment
This was an excellent video
Great visual quality
And clearand smart taking points
👏🏾
You need to consider all the different countries, languages… that they can sell the show. There’s already a Hot Ones France…
wow, had no idea there is a hot ones france
@@ColinandSamir there's also a Hot Ones Québec (that's the french province in Canada), selling off the rights to all the different regions and countries and languages... that can make $$$$.
oh shit I was brought in by the thumbnail, thinking it was a hot noes interview.
My brain is so done
First we Feast literally just posted a Hot Ones Versus an hour ago.. about 4 hours after this show premiered. Wild timing and great calls from you guys
Hot Ones is Sean Evans! He brings a level of chemistry and Ora that makes celebs comfortable
Can't wait to rewatch this video after 2 years to see how is going to aged
Sean Evans is equal to Hot Ones. His relatability to being a normal guy with great questions is the show! He helped grow the show.
This video could've been just 8 mins long
This merger of traditional TV and UA-cam is crazy. Hot Ones, Donut, Car Throttle, etc, where the hosts are the show, but they have no ownership of the show.... wild. You have someone like Marcus and Jimmy who started channels and became empires.
I think this recently happened with Simon Whistler where he left/quit his gig and started all his own channels.
The UA-cam game is fascinating
First We Feast missed a huge opportunity when they had Sean as the guest and chose to have him interview himself using editing trickery rather than test the waters with a new host.
Indeed
Very good point!
So glad they brought up individual creators making the same show with NO expenses. Clearly someone who doesn't have to pay many levels of managers can out compete large media companies.
just a great video overall guys. Saying exactly what me, some idiot in Canada also thinks.
A lot of people are making very biased points in these comments. Listen, Sean seems like a very nice and genuine guy. He thinks of great questions and can definitely handle the spice. But he is not, nor has he ever been, one of the best interviewers - online or anywhere. He has an awkward way of speaking and often feels like he's always delivering lines. Compare Sean to Conan, Letterman, Guy Raz, etc. - he's not even in the same realm. It's hard for people to accept this when they clearly like him - and there's nothing wrong with liking him! But the show can 100% live on without him, as is shown in the Hot Ones Versus data that Samir seemed to ignore when it didn't support his argument. The concept is so strong on its own, combined with the company's ability to attract popular and relevant talent, that it can absolutely continue on without Sean. At the end of the day, more people watch the show to see how a celebrity will react to insanely hot wings - they've seen Sean do it a million times, that's not what's interesting. If it continues on after Sean, especially with his blessing, it will continue to be successful.
100%
I agree in the sense that Sean can definitely be replaced and that he isn't the most naturally charismatic person, but he is very involved in researching his guests, crafting the questions, and making the guests feel comfortable. Conan himself called him a good interviewer, and I'd say that's huge praise. Sean can be replaced, but I don't think they can just pull someone out of nowhere who does it as well or better, at least not very quickly.
One thing we also don't know, how much of the research and questions are directly from Sean, how much are from a team behind him? If Sean moves on, does the team go too?
Sean is a surprising good interviewer. Hot ones is Sean. The show doesn’t exist without him.
See if they just let MatPat joined and be a guest they wouldn't be in this mess
Why won't they let him?
stop simping
Sean is to Hot Ones what Clarkson, Hammond and May were to Top Gear and look at what happened to that show when they left.
24:50 aged like milk