It is NOT Czechoslovakia. "Czechoslovakia" used to be a single country but 31 years ago, it was peacefully split into the Czech Republic and Slovak republic. Czech Republic's capital is Prague and Slovakia's capital is Bratislava. Both countries are EU and NATO members. Some of their other differences are that their language is slightly different, and that Slovakia uses the Euro while Czech republic uses the Czeck Koruna. I highly recommend that you visit these countries.
I did misspeak and went back to overdub instances where I said Czechoslovakia to replace with Czech Republic, clearly, I missed one - my mistake. I'd love to visit both someday! Thanks for commenting.
As a Czech I'm super excited at the prospect of my country flying F35s. The F35s might completely reinvigorate NATO'S airforce considering the smaller countries might get access to some of the most capable fighters ever
some disturbing news coming out czechoslovakia, heard they dont like support ukraine and most are pro-russian, hope they dont air out there love for russia publicly like turkey or it will end up like turkey with no f-35..why you folks love russia is a mystery.
@@jemzbundzdobo7310 We don't. There were anti government protests which the leading party called pro Russian, even though they weren't. Some Czechs are pro Russian, especially the older folks. But trust me, Czech republic is one of the most anti Russian places ever. They ruined our country, we could've had an economy the size of Spain and be richer per Capita than Austria had they not fucked us over
Yeah, that's my biggest gripe and the real difference between youtube content creators and actual professional journalists and documentarians. Content creators can just be nonspecific and qualify their lack of accuracy by simply avoiding any definitive information. But hey, new F35 videos every day, so... The thing I hate the most is when they have to qualify whatever they're saying by stating the fact that opinions are just opinions so don't get angry if you don't like my opinion up front. I usually just skip the first minute or two of every video review of everything because of that crap. Stand by your "informed" opinion or don't waste our time with it. I think that accounts for at least 50% of youtube content being trash.
Yeah, it pretty much needs that to brute force the fat and nonaerodynamic F-35 to mach 1.6. It has the most powerful engine in the world but still can't supercruise, says a lot.
@@devrerffs the F-35 is literally the smallest gen 5 aircraft and if you match front profiles it has the same dimensions as a super hornet and a little less then the Rafale. People who authentically think the lightning is unusually large compared to its peers are missing some brain cells. It has nearly the same wetted area as a viper.
@@devrerffs The F35 can penetrate enemy air space and reach within 30 miles of a heavily defended target before the enemy even knows it's there. Even then, the enemy probably won't be able to resolve a target. It's basically the most dangerous flying object on planet Earth today. She is a big girl though. Is there a different design you think the US Military should have gone with?
What about pilots? Gripen has small operational advantages over F-16, but F-16 can be given in much higher numbers. Nothing can generate Gripen sales. This train has gone. Gripen should be developed as mini-Rafale, with less export restrictions, and it should be integreated with NATO and Soviet weapons few years earlier. It could became a perfect Tejas for India - the biggest missing oportunity. E/F variants are joke (as a business projects).
The problem for the Gripen was a cheaper alternative to many other western platforms and would have done well a few years ago, but given the war in Ukraine and many other possible conflicts many countries realized they need to consider combat against near-peers adversaries. If this was the 2010s, when most conflict was against non state actors, than the gripen is the best low cost option. But that no longer the case.
@@peceed in Ukraine the footprint in the support organisation is very clear. Much more benificial. Dr Bronk was interviewed in ward Carrols chanel a few weeks ago and when the question came if they would benefit from the F16 Bronk diverted the whole talk to Gripen. Its much more suited to roadbases in every sense. Also he pointed out that gripen have a core concept around naval strike that would be to great benefit to Ukrain. Beside that gripen and F16 are rather close. It keeps abit more energy in the turns and have a better pilot interface and are better integrated between platforms. And it have excelent EW. And with the E model it will have the same upgradability as the F35 if not better and EW will be even better. But in the case of ukraina I think Gripen C/D is more likely. Since there are some around already. The big benefit for the F16 would be it availability. There are so many in the world. So US could give them away. The suppirt function is much based on subcontractors though so it might be an issue.
@@mikolasberanek4016 I Do My Friend But I Know A Lot Of Them Doesn't Like It They Prefer Who They Are Divorced In Small Countries But Imagine How Much Powerful And Amazing Would Be The Yugoslavia If They Didn't Divorced In Parts
@@totalnerd5674 Hahah I Look I Don't Say It For Bad I Say It For Good I Live In Balkan If You Can Call The Greece Balkan But I Have Girlfriend From Montenegro And I Know The Yugoslavians Prefer To Be Apart From Others Just This Is Sad Because They Could Be Together And Happy Without War Problems Like They Had But After All I Will Always Call Them Yugoslavia Because For Me They Are One Even If They Don't Want To Accept It But I Have Reason For That And The Reason Is That They All Talk Exactly The Same Language Just Some Of Them Added Some Letters In Their Alphabet But I Have Asked A Serbian To Tell Me Some Phrase Of A Every Balkan County And From Russia And Guess What She Could Understand Even Russian Language But No One Else Can Because Yugoslavia, Chechoslovakia, Russia And Some Other North Europe Countries Talks Slavic So They Are All One Am I Right? It Doesn't Matter What Flag They Have They All Understand Each Other But No One Can Understand Them Exactly As We Here In Greece Actually Hellas We Can't Understand Other Languages But No One Can Understand Ours Neither That Means Different Nation Not The Different Flag But Same Blood Tell Me If I'm Wrong In Something Of This Which I Said Now
The F35 is the best and most survivable jet on the market, it's not particularly close. This platform is a force multiplier, you'd be remiss not to have at minimum 10-20 of them for any nation that considers themselves to have a respectable air force.
@@tlsvd5842 You call two times so many times, especially since over 800 have been built , and over 500,000 flight hours have been flown from it. It’s number of crashes per hours flown is better than any other fighter. Just to put things into perspective, Russia’s very first production model of the Su-57 crashed, and despite all these years of development less than 10 production models have been built.
@@BattleBrotherCasten with NGAD expected to produce a combat ready aircraft by 2035, the F35 will be prefaced by a 6th gen air dominance fighter while flying it's multi role sorties.
@@Thetequilashooter1 Don't worry about the naysayers and trolls. They know there's issues with any new platform because all their Su-57's are smoking holes at this point. If they can't face off in a fight against gravity, what hope could they have against even one F35? If that were our reality, we'd probably be trolls too. I mean, what does someone even do at that point? Checkmate😉
F-35 can be a passive AWACS, a weasel, a command platform, a surveillance integrator, a fighter, a striker, a day 3 bomb truck, force multiplier, drone master, advanced adversary aircraft
Well... just to be clear, when you mentioned Czechoslovakia... that state parted into two separate states - Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1993... you're kinda... 29 years in the past there ;)
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Well it only makes sense, per unit as flight hour costs are getting lower every year and even compared to fairly cheap Gripen it does make sense. 4th generation Gripens will soon become obsolete, but the 5th gen F-35 will be a viable options for several decades to come.
Nope, Gripen will not become obsolete any time soon. The reason Gripen is not designed as fully stealth, is because the new radar systems actually makes physical stealth obsolete. And you can't upgrade physical shape. Gripen instead has insanely advanced electronic warfare capabilities. And the Gripen systems are modular and upgradable in a way you can not do with F35. And physical stealth puts a lot of limitations on armement.
This is crazy because I remember when the f35 rolled out everybody was saying how terrible It was and a waste of money. Then again those people were on rt so I can imagine since there military is straight quiet and the f35 went on to become the worlds number one.
It was a mix of Chinese and Russian internet sock puppets, and Pierre Sprey's "reformist" idiots. The reformists have mostly fallen into sulking after Sprey kicked the bucket recently and the F-35 has been proving itself.
A few misconceptions: -Germany isn't getting the F-35 to "strengthen their defensive presence" it's getting them because the Tornado, which is Germany's only nuke certified aircraft is retiring, and NATO obligation dictate they must maintain such a type of aircraft. They'll be getting the bare minimum F-35's to meet treaty obligations. The fact that they'll be investing in a Eurofighter variant for EW/SEAD (something the F-35 should excel at), and the FCAS program over procuring more F-35's means that the bulk of their future aircraft will be Euro source rather than US. -The "F" is for fighter and the "X" is experimental/research (e.g. XB-70, X-37). So regardless of the number, it was always going to be F-35 not X-35.
One of the great things about the F-35 is the computers on it are futureproof and allow one F35 to control multiple drones that don't need to be made in the US. In fact Australia is in the process of making their loyal wingman to accompany the f35. If other countries that don't have the funds to compete directly with the f35 can still compete for the drones that accompany it in the future.
False! Every modern combat airplane have this and the three different strike airplanes called F-35 are not future proof. Who knows if only strike aircrafts are neccesary in the future? The prefix F stands for failure. "can't turn, can't climb, can't run", not combat ready yet(really), low avalability, excessive costs, hundreds of unsolved issues. Seems like it allready is obsolete.
I know people like to point at specialized fighters and say it does its thing better than the F-35, but I honestly believe it's because of the Lightning II's versatility in a 5th gen package that is the reason so many countries want it.
Don't forget that the F 35 is cheaper than the gripen these days too, it's very hard for the gripen to compete. Perun did an excellent video on them a little while back explaining the plane as a product to buy and how it compares.
F-35 is the best multirole fighter on the market, superior sensors and avionics, excellent stealth technology, extremely good range and payload for internal storage, and in all public wargames the F-35 has outclassed it's competitors. Finland is a neutral non-NATO country, and in their wargames the F-35 outclassed ALL competing designs in every combat metric. Oh and it's cheaper than all competing fighters jets as well.
That’s very true. People love to regurgitate “ the F35 was not meant for Air Superiority. That’s the F22’s job”. Thing is “ Air Superiority” is a mission not a plane. If the F35 dominates the fighters flown by the enemy which it does. Then F35 can and does prosecute the Air Superiority mission. One of the best thing about F35 is that stealth fighters will be flown by other countries than the US. Multi national coalition of fighters all sharing real time intelligence and all doing it unseen by radar. That’s why countries keep buying it.
The issue with the UK F-35 fleet is down to us holding off on orders rather than actual production rates. We've received 27 out of 48 actually ordered with another 15 to come next year. It is likely the MoD is going slow on ordering more because Lockheed Martin is going slow with developing and implementing the block 4 software that integrates the full range of British weapons the F-35 is supposed to be able to use. Any more block 3 standard aircraft we order now just lengthens the future queue of UK F-35s that will need to be pulled off the flight line to be upgraded to block 4 for us to be able to use them the way we rightfully expect to.
@@fredtedstedman It's not just the UK. The USAF has also slowed their purchases until Block 4 is completed, to minimise purchases of Block 3 aircraft which later need expensive upgrades. The ongoing issue is that the F-35 still suffers from a multitude of technical problems, which are delaying completion of Block 4 and also preventing it from being cleared for full rate production. Consequently, the USAF will probably end up acquiring much less than the 1736 aircraft they originally intended to buy. Possibly more like 1000. These issues will also delay exports, with priority given to partners and earlier orders.
I wonder if Gripen is not one of the best suited fighters for Ukraine, given it's ability to use regular roads as runways. Ukrainians are doing that already with their MiG-29 planes, but Jas 39 was purposely designed for that.
US: "What do we gotta do to get you into an F35 today?" Czech: "I could see myself flying an F35... Do you do financing?" US: "You'd look great in that thing.. Why don't you have a seat, get a feel for her and Joe here will write up some paperwork you'll be happy with" Czech: "Feels good, gotta say but don't bust my balls, I got other options.. I'm gonna want an extended warranty" US: "No ball busting here baby, this thing was built for export" Czech: "This thing is sweeeet. I think I'm ready to get my wife down here and see what she thinks" US: "Bro... Come on now... Your wife wants a man that'll treat her like a lady, am I right?... Trust me, she'll see you in a whole new light once you show wearing this nasty thing." Czech: "Yeah, I guess... But I don't know" US: "Look, I'm gonna be honest with ya, I got a lunch with my Canadian friends sitting over there. This stock ain't gonna last past the crab cakes. Now, when you walked in, I thought to myself... That a shot caller if I ever seen one... What's it gonna be then?" Czech: "Lets do it". US: "Yeah?" Czech: "Fuck yeah!"
Thank you for explaining why the F-35 name was chosen! It's so annoying to my OCD lol as there are no fighter planes listed from F-23 to F-34, I would have preferred F-24 to keep the naming convention clean and correct, but oh well
@@JakubKas Take this with a grain of salt. But back in the day the Aircraft Analysis Branch of the then Air Force Systems Command had assigned designations F-110 through F-116 (obviously F-111 was American) to soviet aircraft that had been acquired for testing. YF-110 = Mig-21, YF-110C = J-10, YF-112 = Su-17, YF-113 = Mig-23, YF-113G = Black Project unrelated to the YF-113, YF-114 = Mig-17, YF-115 = ?, YF-116 = ?, and then there was the YF-118G Bird of Prey. Essentially, they were continuations of the century series designations. Also, supposedly there was a reference to a YF-24 in the online military bio of Colonel Joe Lanni during his test pilot days (it has since been removed from the now Brigadier General's bio). This would not be a reference to the current F-35 as the timelines don't match and the F-35 development was not that much of a secret. The soviet aircraft being given those designations is believable enough, but the information on the YF-24 is where you start digging though the rabbit hole. The F-19 is famously skipped likely to deceive foreign intelligence agencies as was the case when Seal Team 6 was stood up. But who knows for sure. It should also be mentioned that the Air Force variant of the F-4 was going to be known as the F-110 Spectre before being renamed the F-4C per the 1962 Tri-Service aircraft designation system. But take this all with a grain of salt from some guy on the internet.
Yeah, Germany is buying F-35s specifically so they can carry American nuclear bombs, which is something Typhoons aren't designed to do. They'd been dragging their feet to decide on a replacement for their Tornadoes in that role and now that the threat level has gone up they realized that the F-35 is the only option that doesn't require an additional, time consuming development process. Without this context the video is slightly misleading when it comes to Germany. Also, Czechia not renewing the lease on its Gripens means that they will be available for Ukraine, either in 2027 or sooner if something were to be worked out. I seem to recall Sweden having mentioned that they would be donated to Ukraine once Czechia was done with them. That's more useful context to keep in mind.
Bad for SAAB but kind of good for Sweden. Gripen E is a very capable plane and shouldn't be underrated, and this means all focus by west's enemies will be to counter the F-35 while Gripen unlikely will get much attention, which is a dangerous thing when it is a plane that is purely focused on EW.
Great video! …. As usual 😉👍 But Germany 🇩🇪 did procure the F-35 primarily in order to fulfill its part in NATO’s “Nuclear sharing”. Certification of the Eurofighter turned out too costly and not realizable before the retirement of the Tornado 🤷🏽♂️
Can't put a finger on it, but whatever it is, you are killin' it. Looked at the time line & was bummed it was about over, but that just amplified my anticipation level for your next release. If time flies = fun, I was all in. And who would've thought it about the F-35? It had more haters than (enter Presidents name here)! Love seeing Lockheed/Pratt-n-Whitney combine for yet another historic aircraft. Great video!
Thank you Tracy, I’m very glad you enjoyed the video and watched till the end. I try to get a little better with each video, already working on the next one. Cheers!
It is not so much its fighter capabilities but rather its surveillance capabilities. Also being on a stealthy platform it can get much closer to what it is surveilling. Surveillance equipment just can't be slapped onto any aircraft without compromise. The aircraft has to be designed around it. That is why they are not making anymore F-22's because of that. That says a lot about how important it is to have superior eyes and ears than just being able to fly fast. You should follow-up and do a video on the F-35's $400,000 helmet.
I still believe that a more holistic approach that incorporates the following building blocks would serve most countries better than plugging F-35s in 😅 👇 - A full scale Joint All Domain Command and Control (JADC2) that emphasizes “permission autonomy” C2 of autonomous assets - a manned fleet of FA-18E/F/G block III & Gripen E/F that is fully integrated in the JADC2 - Implementation of the Swedish basing concept with lots of makeshift runways and highly mobile related logistics and infrastructure - Lots of force multipliers that increase situational awareness, like the Globaleye AWACS - Lots of autonomous platforms to realize affordable mass
I think there is roles for both the F-35 and other 4-4+ less expensive aircraft, once the F-35 has cleared the air, a very capable, affordable and extremely flexible less expensive platform like F-39/16/18 for strike and CAS to keep hours off of the F-35. A fleet that has more options is only a plus.
Just ridiculous how america is forcing everyone to buy this PoS fighter that never sees combat and 3 have crashed in the last 10 months (2 fell off of aircraft carriers) costing over 100 mil each which makes 10 overall lost for over a billion dollars lost without ever being deployed in actual combat and is for airshows and demonstrations only.
The Grippen seems to be very capable and economical fighter, no question. The nations that chose the F-35 didn't, I think, choose the F-35 not because the US strong armed them or some other reason, they chose it after a great deal of research into the subject and came to this conclusion. I'm not inherent fan of the F-35, but it must be doing something military leaders feel is needed to protect their homelands.
The F-35 is the future, sensor fusion way ahead of anything that exists today and many other tech that makes it the new standard. The gripen does not have any where near with same capabilities. That decision is wise.
No, the F-35 is the present, with the potential to be upgraded to operate in the future. The Gripen is the past, upgraded to operate in the present. NGAD, Tempest, FCAS and similar programs are the future.
What i do find interesting though is that smaller countries (such as finland, czech, etc) opt for f35, yes it is a better aircraft but the cost per flight hour is insanely high compared to JAS. Pair that with the amount of personel needed to maintain a f35 which is about 12 people which higher education as opposed to 5 people one of which with higher education and the other 4 being conscripts or privates. But then again, the people who made the choice are a lot more experienced and smarter than i am.
Yes Jas39 E/F gripen is truly under rated MRF but has 5th gen. Avionic capabilities & best for smaller countries . Deployable in STOL in ordinary roads & lesser cost in operation maintenance .Easy to operate maintain .
This airplane will go on to be a Legend, just as the P38 is. The 'Fighter Hall of Fame' awaits the F35. What's to like? Heaps. That is clearly why it gets such excellent sales abroad. I envisage Ukrainia investing a fleet of F35's in the future. Such a pity that they lack them now.
Poland also purchased 32 F-35s in 2020. It will complement the 48 F-16 that the Polish air force has. The F-35 is the optimal solution. The line of ordering the F-35 is very long.
If you are a NATO member, it makes no sense to buy any other fighter jet than the F-35. One thing almost never talked about is the munitions supplied with the fighter jet deal, without it the fighter is just a very small AWAC. Buy an F-35 and your foreign policy is tied to the US's. But the US can still veto Gripen deals since its engines are US's (F-18). Good luck selling it to EU.
@@rayjames6096 Western and Northern European countries have their own military industry and develop their own aircraft and weapons, such as the Eurofighter Typhoon and Meteor missile. However, Eastern European countries suffered from 45 years of Soviet exploitation, during which they were subservient to Moscow. Consequently, following the collapse of the USSR, they lacked a domestic defence industry, but also the economy needed to create one. This is also why Ukraine's military predominantly relies on Russian equipment and arms, although the current war is obviously changing that.
@@Mishn0 …. Operational costs for the F-35 are huge. Versus merely large for a Gripen. But how many missions over the lifespan of the F-35 actually require an F-35? This is where a Gripen can find a niche. Will a western air force require a high end all stealth fleet?
@@Idahoguy10157 Operational costs for the F-35 are declining. Look up the development of ceramic based RAM. That is going to drop the per flight hour cost a lot. Also, if you look at what the operators say about the F-35, stealth isn't even close to its biggest strength. It's its electronics suite.What one F-35 sees, all allied forces see. It's an intel platform, a jammer, a remote target designator...
@@Mishn0 …. The F-35 comes with abilities and advantages. Stealth being one of them. Costs are dropping because of the economics of volume. Eventually they’ll be thousands operating. But as you don’t need a Mercedes-Benz to deliver groceries you don’t need an F-35 for all fighter-attack missions. Which is where the Gripen and F-16 are useful
@@Idahoguy10157 But there is a whole lot of overhead involved in maintaining two separate types in service. It's doubtful whether a small nation like the Czech Republic would be able to lower the over all cost of the fleet, even with the lower per hour costs of an F-16 or Grippen contingent.
8:42 this implies that the F-35 is better than the Eurofighter in ever way which is not the reason Germany decided to buy the F35. they needed a replacement for their tornados because of the nuclear share in nato and the Eurofighter can't carry B-61 nuclear bombs sinc every country that operates the EF has a different platfrom that can carry them. they wanted to buy F-18s for that reason but then went with the F-35. they decided to aquire more EF with the F-35s tho becuase the EF. So they only quired F-35s because they had to. but in the same breath they aquired more EFs as well. the UK did the same thing btw
All that is true for the Gripen too. I’d say stealth, ew, sensor suite and above all politics is what makes the F35 a winner here. I’m a Gripen fanboy but I’m not going to argue with the logic of choosing the US over Sweden as your top ally.
Hey Tog, do you think that the acquisition of so many F-35's can also turn out to be a bad thing? With the DoD, Lockheed Martin, NATO, and our allies getting the F-35 for its still classified technological advancements, do you think that handing out more is a bit of a security concern? We've already seen how fast China scrambled to try and get the F-35's we lost in the Pacific (thank God they didn't). But all it would take is for one F-35 to wind up in Russian or Chinese hands and the entire F-35 fleet worldwide would be compromised.
Having upwards of 1000 stealthy, interoperable fighter/attack aircraft is probably a much bigger advantage than having a couple hundred (with a higher cost per unit), supplemented with inferior airframes.
No, it has to be logged into. It is a software giant, it cannot be taken and used in the wrong hands. The F-16 was exported and doing well. It's more of a traditional buttons and switches, the JSF is not.
Export models won't be equipped to the same standard as US versions and any technology included will already have been cleared for export, as it isn't considered a competitive advantage. This limits the knowledge which can be gained by stealing technology from them, but it remains a persistent risk, which is why the USA is fussy about who can buy it and only sells to trustworthy allies. I also wouldn't be surprised if the F-35 includes a self-destruct mechanism for the most sensitive/secret technologies, to reduce the chances of them falling into enemy hands.
So are they going to have less aircraft because of the f35 or the same amount as much as I love the f35 I would not make my airforce smaller just to have them
Czech Air Force currently fly 14 Jas39 Gripen. 12 single seat jets, 2 double seat trainers. we're expanding the airforce by expressing interest in acquiring full 24 F35 jets. it should be two full fledged squadrons.
Interesting video, but lacks of comparative facts. For example, what is the cost per flying hour for Gripen? There is no facts presented of what one aircraft have and the other hasn't.
well, chech republic is doing well economically. It may be a small nation, but imagine you only have 14 jets in the fleet, so going futureproof isnt such a bad idea. Gripen would probably be more popular if it wasnt for most european countries being in americas pocket. But it does pay off to be on good terms with them, in case you were to be invaded by someone. Good ol' cowboys wont let nobody hurt their milk cows.
Yeah, we noticed in Syria just how much Europe was "in americas pocket" by their complete lack of support for Obama's red line. They were in somebody's pocket, and it wasn't the United States of America's.
@@ostiariusalpha you mean what red line? That line that even american politicians didnt really want to draw? Especially that theres alot of sand in syria, and lines drawn on such surfaces tend to fade away very quickly, leaving everybody confused whats what and where? xD
@@Verithiell The point is they blew him off without hesitation. They ally with the U.S. at their convenience and when it serves their interests because they're quite simply not in America's pocket.
The first 10 seconds and immediately hit me over the head with "Czechoslovakia". That doesn't exist anymore. Now there is the Czech Republic (which wants the F-35) and the Slovak Republic (which has ordered the F-16). I know that with 10 million inhabitants we are not exactly the center of the world, but still... try to get used to the division of our countries :) For example, you might be interested to know that we are one of the few countries that managed to divide peacefully.
I don't know. I think i would prefer the Gripen. None of our enemies are particularly good when it comes to high-tech military systems, so in my eyes the Gripen would work just as fine for merely a fraction of the cost with 4500$ per flight hour. Maybe im biased as i do love economy lmao.
Pierre Sprey said the F-35's cost would continue to increase, causing more cancellations then causing more price increase causing more cancelations. Thus the F-35 would enter into a death spiral. Wonder what he thinks now?..... Great story about the F-35''s naming at the end, LOL.
Can you deploy a B61-12 nuclear bomb from a Grippen? No, that’s why everyone is buying F-16s, F-15s and F-35s: you get a stealth nuclear strike platform.
Only de F-35 can deploy de B-61-12. But to drop the B-61-12 to Germany you don't need an F-35 from Poland or the Czech Republic they can put them on a truck and detonate them in Berlin or Hamburg. It is the closest thing to killing a Russian is going to be a B-61-12 on European soil to atomize a Russian. The F-35 is a couple of thousand kilometers short of attacking a single Russian target. If the new B-21s are going to go just right to attack their targets and need cruise missiles with nuclear warheads to hit their targets, a plane that has 6 times less range is going to attack Russian targets.
F-22 was never treated like this. They are never offered even to the closest allies. It seems like the US is not too worried about giving off F-35 to many countries.
That was the point of the F-35 - a standard plane for US and allies, basically the next F-16. The F-22 (and I’m assuming NGAD will work the same way) are so that the US keeps the best closely held, especially from an espionage standpoint as the F-35 is inevitably going to be compromised with so many partners. Given what’s been rumored, it likely already is fully compromised (especially given the Chinese very similar knockoff) so no reason to limit sales.
@@Justanotherconsumer another think to mention is that US keeps updating the F-35 and knows all it's secrets and after several years an F-35 sold to allies will be inferior to the F-35 US keeps developing on.
If the US ever decides to share the Raptor it would be with Japan and UK..as the F117 was offered to the RAF after a few years ..but then again both Japan and UK will go for the tempest
@@argonaut_aero if the Tempest actually happens. I expect TSR2 problems there - can’t compete on price with the F-35 for at best a marginally better aircraft. What’s hard to know about the F-35 is whether it has room to grow, but the new engines strongly suggest that beating the F-35 is a moving target. Possible that there’s a market for a more dedicated air superiority export fighter since the F-35 is basically McNamara’s dream of a single plane for all services. That dream is a huge benefit in logistics and other elements of running a military that don’t make for fun UA-cam videos.
F-24 makes much more sense. We had the F-14, F-15, F-16, YF-17, F-18, F-22, and YF-23 as well. Just not sure what happened to the F-19, 20 and 21. But oh well…
Forget NATO. Concentrate on developing nations like Thailand, Brazil or South Africa. Gripen is competetive at USD 30 million. F35A costs USD70 million. You in NATO or rich, you pick F35A. No brainer
Tog, Another well done post on the evolution of the F-35. Coupel thoughts....F-35 as a critical date node. The man in the loop, "wetwear" and software are, and will forever be the challenge of any sophisticated man/machine systems, of any kind. Stipulated....and looking forward to future AI support..... I'm excited to see unfold, the aspirations of adaptive engines "power plants", coupled to directed energy weapons. While not likely realized as "fully operational" in the near future. Directed energy weapons systems are the future, and highly probable within 20 years, IMO. Which may seem a long time, but not so much in aviatoin development. In the end, "energy" in directed "energy" weapons systems >>>>>> is the critical development path.
Thank you Scott, and agreed I think power availability will drive the next evolution in weapons tech. Missiles may become backup weapons the same way guns/canons are today
@@kingdomofvinland8827 Intersting notion. While my comment speaks to the adaptive cycle engine powering onboard directed energy weapons. I'd not considered countermeasures to directed energy weapons being focused on the aircraft.
They haven't manufactured most planes that have been ordered by Sweden and Brazil, so I don't think the production lines will be shutdown in many years. And at least Brazil will probably order more planes after the first 40, since the country is so huge.
the idea that a small country like Czech Republic can fly the world's most advanced fighter is revolutionary. this small but awesome country will field a more powerful fighter than Russia or China flies. let that sink in. and they can be in nuke sharing program.
@@lgnfve F-35 subsonic is a Fighter .By far the most advanced aircraft in production is the J-20. And when between the J-31 will be the J-20 and J-31 the most advanced in production. They are not even remotely like the F-22 but it is the best that is being manufactured until the USA releases its two new fighters and Europe its two. Today's planes up to the F-35 bomber don't have any visible rivets. It confuses the construction with the old allies of the Czechs that those do continue to do botches, but the J-20, a supersonic plane with a supercruise with more than a thousand miles of range, does not miss rivets. And not everything is being stealth, in WWII the Mosquito was stealth and it was not the most advanced plane in the world, although it was agile and fast, not like the F-35.
Extremely surprised by this. I would not be shocked to find out that politics played a part. The latest iteration of the Saab Gripen delivers all of the same characteristics, features, and mission profiles as the F 35 with the exception of not being stealth. Although it is on the lower observable side. Saab has gone to great lengths to produce a world leading aircraft that while the buy purchase price is not that much lower than the F 35, the operating cost and maintenance needs are vastly lesser in nature. The Czech Republic mentioned that the F 35 capability to be an early warning platform and an electronic countermeasure platform are all true about the gripen as well. So I find it ironic that they mention these things as reasons for choosing the F 35 over the other aircraft. I think the truth lies somewhere closer to the money in politics behind it. I feel very bad for Saab at the moment because they continue to get beaten by the F 35 in procurement contracts, but the product that Saab makes is top notch and more bang for the buck. Country like the Czech Republic, but doesn’t need a stealth aircraft would have been well served utilizing the gripen.
I have a feeling that this was a repeat of Norway. Back in 2009, it was revealed that Lockheed had the U.S. State Department coerce the Norwegian government to stick to the F-35 through heavy political pressure and bullying.
Great video! As for my opinion on military designations, I am a traditionalist. The JSF should have been designated the F-24. I hate the U.S. Military's recent trend at arbitrary military designations. The B-21 Raider is another example of this. It should have been the B-3.
It was supposed to be the F-24 but when the Air Force chose the X-35 over the X-32 the SecAir announced that "the USAF has selected the F-35 for the next generation and beyond" and when the Secretary of the Department of The Air Force calls your plane a name. It becomes that name.
What is this conclusion about germany procuring the F35... Its well know that germany for years and years have needed to replace the carrier platform for the A-bomb. The only option is the F 35. No compeditior would give away information on its own platform for the integration. The connection is strictly to the german commitment to its nuclear sharing policy. Eurofighters ability have nothing to do with it. If they would have had time they would have gone with a nother platform most likely.
good question would be, what are the gripens obsolete against? the more modern gripens are only ever inferior to 4 fighters, f35,f22, su57, and the chinese stealth jet. 2 of them are western (so i assume they will not fight the czechs) su57 is virtualy not even a thing, there is like 10 of them, half of that are test beds and russia is gonna be too broke after this war to field them effectively anyway and china is on the other side of the world. i dont really see what task would a czech f35 need to do to not be just extremely cost in effective. Gripen or even a f16 would be enough for any task czehcs can realisticly be expecting, unless there is something i dont know.
Its hard telling what the f35 can do. I mean casting a hologram to confuse missiles. Lol so I've always been into fighter jets and I'd say around 30 years ago I got a stack of like index cards with military aircraft and their abilities. They say if we know about it then the military is years even decades more advanced as the U.S. keeps things under tight seals normally. But in that stack of cards was a military aircraft that looked about like a 707 that had a powerful laser on it. It stated that it could blast through the top of a mountain. Then I never heard no more about it. We now have lasers on our ships and I believe the US version of the f35 could have a powerful laser on it. I know the fact it can shoot a missile at targets behind it without moving its nose is crazy. One pilot described it as a flying supercomputer capable of doing insane things that he couldn't go into. He also said we don't even know its full capabilities cause UT is doing things we didn't think it could do which I think means it has some sort of AI capabilities to learn. Its a bad mamajama either way. You know when different nations team up with the US to build a plane its gonna be insane.
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It is NOT Czechoslovakia. "Czechoslovakia" used to be a single country but 31 years ago, it was peacefully split into the Czech Republic and Slovak republic. Czech Republic's capital is Prague and Slovakia's capital is Bratislava. Both countries are EU and NATO members. Some of their other differences are that their language is slightly different, and that Slovakia uses the Euro while Czech republic uses the Czeck Koruna. I highly recommend that you visit these countries.
I did misspeak and went back to overdub instances where I said Czechoslovakia to replace with Czech Republic, clearly, I missed one - my mistake. I'd love to visit both someday! Thanks for commenting.
If only Czechoslovakia had received the F35 in time...
@@vanodne Lmao true, stopping those Panzers would have been a cinch
@@PilotPhotog Thanks ;)
Same people split into 2 nations? Why? Like Ireland and N Ireland? Same people..
Putin has made himself the best F35 salesman ever! He also made his biggest foe, NATO, bigger and stronger. Was his "land bridge" worth it?
Vlad isn't having much luck with bridges these days.
As a Czech I'm super excited at the prospect of my country flying F35s. The F35s might completely reinvigorate NATO'S airforce considering the smaller countries might get access to some of the most capable fighters ever
some disturbing news coming out czechoslovakia, heard they dont like support ukraine and most are pro-russian, hope they dont air out there love for russia publicly like turkey or it will end up like turkey with no f-35..why you folks love russia is a mystery.
@@jemzbundzdobo7310 We don't. There were anti government protests which the leading party called pro Russian, even though they weren't. Some Czechs are pro Russian, especially the older folks. But trust me, Czech republic is one of the most anti Russian places ever. They ruined our country, we could've had an economy the size of Spain and be richer per Capita than Austria had they not fucked us over
Why does this little country need this overpriced turd? Sounds like they were pressured into buying
@@tnix80 by russia :)
@@tnix80 80 million on average is far from overpriced, and it’s far better than other fighter.
The F-135 on the F-35 isn't "one of the most powerful engines on a fighter"
It is *the most* powerful engine on a fighter.
Yeah, that's my biggest gripe and the real difference between youtube content creators and actual professional journalists and documentarians. Content creators can just be nonspecific and qualify their lack of accuracy by simply avoiding any definitive information. But hey, new F35 videos every day, so... The thing I hate the most is when they have to qualify whatever they're saying by stating the fact that opinions are just opinions so don't get angry if you don't like my opinion up front. I usually just skip the first minute or two of every video review of everything because of that crap. Stand by your "informed" opinion or don't waste our time with it. I think that accounts for at least 50% of youtube content being trash.
Yeah, it pretty much needs that to brute force the fat and nonaerodynamic F-35 to mach 1.6. It has the most powerful engine in the world but still can't supercruise, says a lot.
@@devrerffs the F-35 is literally the smallest gen 5 aircraft and if you match front profiles it has the same dimensions as a super hornet and a little less then the Rafale.
People who authentically think the lightning is unusually large compared to its peers are missing some brain cells. It has nearly the same wetted area as a viper.
@@devrerffs The F35 can penetrate enemy air space and reach within 30 miles of a heavily defended target before the enemy even knows it's there. Even then, the enemy probably won't be able to resolve a target. It's basically the most dangerous flying object on planet Earth today. She is a big girl though. Is there a different design you think the US Military should have gone with?
@@mrspaceman2764 Can't the F-22 do the same, without being a flying bucket? I think it was a mistake to make F-35A&C the same design as the B variant.
Poor Sweden. The Gripen deserves some love, but F35 is just ridiculous.
But not E version.
Sweden needs to send the Gripen to Ukraine now! It would showcase it's abilities and generate publicity and sales. It's a no-brainer.
What about pilots?
Gripen has small operational advantages over F-16, but F-16 can be given in much higher numbers.
Nothing can generate Gripen sales. This train has gone. Gripen should be developed as mini-Rafale, with less export restrictions, and it should be integreated with NATO and Soviet weapons few years earlier. It could became a perfect Tejas for India - the biggest missing oportunity.
E/F variants are joke (as a business projects).
The problem for the Gripen was a cheaper alternative to many other western platforms and would have done well a few years ago, but given the war in Ukraine and many other possible conflicts many countries realized they need to consider combat against near-peers adversaries. If this was the 2010s, when most conflict was against non state actors, than the gripen is the best low cost option. But that no longer the case.
@@peceed in Ukraine the footprint in the support organisation is very clear. Much more benificial. Dr Bronk was interviewed in ward Carrols chanel a few weeks ago and when the question came if they would benefit from the F16 Bronk diverted the whole talk to Gripen. Its much more suited to roadbases in every sense. Also he pointed out that gripen have a core concept around naval strike that would be to great benefit to Ukrain.
Beside that gripen and F16 are rather close. It keeps abit more energy in the turns and have a better pilot interface and are better integrated between platforms. And it have excelent EW.
And with the E model it will have the same upgradability as the F35 if not better and EW will be even better.
But in the case of ukraina I think Gripen C/D is more likely. Since there are some around already.
The big benefit for the F16 would be it availability. There are so many in the world. So US could give them away. The suppirt function is much based on subcontractors though so it might be an issue.
actually its czech republic not czechoslovakia
We Know That But Chechoslovakia Is Way Better Name Exactly As Yugoslavia For Balkan
@@mysticalproductions1864 yeah but who calls the balkans yugoslavia in 2022
@@mikolasberanek4016 I Do My Friend
But I Know A Lot Of Them Doesn't Like It They Prefer Who They Are Divorced In Small Countries But Imagine How Much Powerful And Amazing Would Be The Yugoslavia If They Didn't Divorced In Parts
@@mysticalproductions1864 Careful! You'll start another Balkan war if you talk like that too much!
@@totalnerd5674 Hahah I Look I Don't Say It For Bad I Say It For Good I Live In Balkan If You Can Call The Greece Balkan But I Have Girlfriend From Montenegro And I Know The Yugoslavians Prefer To Be Apart From Others Just This Is Sad Because They Could Be Together And Happy Without War Problems Like They Had But After All I Will Always Call Them Yugoslavia Because For Me They Are One Even If They Don't Want To Accept It But I Have Reason For That And The Reason Is That They All Talk Exactly The Same Language Just Some Of Them Added Some Letters In Their Alphabet But I Have Asked A Serbian To Tell Me Some Phrase Of A Every Balkan County And From Russia And Guess What She Could Understand Even Russian Language But No One Else Can Because Yugoslavia, Chechoslovakia, Russia And Some Other North Europe Countries Talks Slavic So They Are All One Am I Right? It Doesn't Matter What Flag They Have They All Understand Each Other But No One Can Understand Them Exactly As We Here In Greece Actually Hellas We Can't Understand Other Languages But No One Can Understand Ours Neither That Means Different Nation Not The Different Flag But Same Blood Tell Me If I'm Wrong In Something Of This Which I Said Now
The F35 is the best and most survivable jet on the market, it's not particularly close. This platform is a force multiplier, you'd be remiss not to have at minimum 10-20 of them for any nation that considers themselves to have a respectable air force.
F35 went under the ocean so many times
@@tlsvd5842 You call two times so many times, especially since over 800 have been built , and over 500,000 flight hours have been flown from it. It’s number of crashes per hours flown is better than any other fighter. Just to put things into perspective, Russia’s very first production model of the Su-57 crashed, and despite all these years of development less than 10 production models have been built.
F-35 is amazing ,but the F-22 is forever the GOAT- of course USA is smart not to share it with others.
@@BattleBrotherCasten with NGAD expected to produce a combat ready aircraft by 2035, the F35 will be prefaced by a 6th gen air dominance fighter while flying it's multi role sorties.
@@Thetequilashooter1 Don't worry about the naysayers and trolls. They know there's issues with any new platform because all their Su-57's are smoking holes at this point. If they can't face off in a fight against gravity, what hope could they have against even one F35? If that were our reality, we'd probably be trolls too. I mean, what does someone even do at that point? Checkmate😉
Poor Gripen, never lost a dogfight in the air but lost a dogfight in the Market..
A very informative and balanced video on the F35. Thank you.
F-35 can be a passive AWACS, a weasel, a command platform, a surveillance integrator, a fighter, a striker, a day 3 bomb truck, force multiplier, drone master, advanced adversary aircraft
Which can all be done by the Gripen too. And at a lower cost.
@@bengeorge9063 with no stealth...
i love the little credits roll at the end. i felt like i was watching a short film
Thank you!
Well... just to be clear, when you mentioned Czechoslovakia... that state parted into two separate states - Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1993... you're kinda... 29 years in the past there ;)
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Why wouldn't you choose the best option available?
They did
@@InHellBaby1 Agreed!
It would generally come down to budget. Most countries want the best but not all can afford. In this case they have the funds to get the very best
Cost. Also, US sales tend to come with strings attached as Iran found out with the F-14’s they struggle to maintain.
Because Real World.
Well it only makes sense, per unit as flight hour costs are getting lower every year and even compared to fairly cheap Gripen it does make sense. 4th generation Gripens will soon become obsolete, but the 5th gen F-35 will be a viable options for several decades to come.
Nope, Gripen will not become obsolete any time soon. The reason Gripen is not designed as fully stealth, is because the new radar systems actually makes physical stealth obsolete. And you can't upgrade physical shape. Gripen instead has insanely advanced electronic warfare capabilities. And the Gripen systems are modular and upgradable in a way you can not do with F35.
And physical stealth puts a lot of limitations on armement.
This is crazy because I remember when the f35 rolled out everybody was saying how terrible It was and a waste of money. Then again those people were on rt so I can imagine since there military is straight quiet and the f35 went on to become the worlds number one.
It was a mix of Chinese and Russian internet sock puppets, and Pierre Sprey's "reformist" idiots. The reformists have mostly fallen into sulking after Sprey kicked the bucket recently and the F-35 has been proving itself.
A few misconceptions:
-Germany isn't getting the F-35 to "strengthen their defensive presence" it's getting them because the Tornado, which is Germany's only nuke certified aircraft is retiring, and NATO obligation dictate they must maintain such a type of aircraft. They'll be getting the bare minimum F-35's to meet treaty obligations. The fact that they'll be investing in a Eurofighter variant for EW/SEAD (something the F-35 should excel at), and the FCAS program over procuring more F-35's means that the bulk of their future aircraft will be Euro source rather than US.
-The "F" is for fighter and the "X" is experimental/research (e.g. XB-70, X-37). So regardless of the number, it was always going to be F-35 not X-35.
X-35 was the experimental aircraft, that tested the concept of the F-35.
One of the great things about the F-35 is the computers on it are futureproof and allow one F35 to control multiple drones that don't need to be made in the US. In fact Australia is in the process of making their loyal wingman to accompany the f35. If other countries that don't have the funds to compete directly with the f35 can still compete for the drones that accompany it in the future.
False! Every modern combat airplane have this and the three different strike airplanes called F-35 are not future proof. Who knows if only strike aircrafts are neccesary in the future? The prefix F stands for failure. "can't turn, can't climb, can't run", not combat ready yet(really), low avalability, excessive costs, hundreds of unsolved issues. Seems like it allready is obsolete.
The F-35 is future resistant. When it comes to technology there is nothing that is future proof.
I know people like to point at specialized fighters and say it does its thing better than the F-35, but I honestly believe it's because of the Lightning II's versatility in a 5th gen package that is the reason so many countries want it.
Don't forget that the F 35 is cheaper than the gripen these days too, it's very hard for the gripen to compete. Perun did an excellent video on them a little while back explaining the plane as a product to buy and how it compares.
F-35 is the best multirole fighter on the market, superior sensors and avionics, excellent stealth technology, extremely good range and payload for internal storage, and in all public wargames the F-35 has outclassed it's competitors. Finland is a neutral non-NATO country, and in their wargames the F-35 outclassed ALL competing designs in every combat metric. Oh and it's cheaper than all competing fighters jets as well.
That’s very true. People love to regurgitate “ the F35 was not meant for Air Superiority. That’s the F22’s job”.
Thing is “ Air Superiority” is a mission not a plane. If the F35 dominates the fighters flown by the enemy which it does. Then F35 can and does prosecute the Air Superiority mission. One of the best thing about F35 is that stealth fighters will be flown by other countries than the US. Multi national coalition of fighters all sharing real time intelligence and all doing it unseen by radar. That’s why countries keep buying it.
the goverment signed it today yay
Checoslovaquia?🤣
Czech Rep. Or Czecia
9:37 naming ceremony ended up kinda like the Blackbird's did
That’s a great point, thanks for commenting!
how quickly can all these F-35 s be built ?? there must be a queue , UK still waiting for ours .
Y’all have got a lot already
The issue with the UK F-35 fleet is down to us holding off on orders rather than actual production rates. We've received 27 out of 48 actually ordered with another 15 to come next year. It is likely the MoD is going slow on ordering more because Lockheed Martin is going slow with developing and implementing the block 4 software that integrates the full range of British weapons the F-35 is supposed to be able to use. Any more block 3 standard aircraft we order now just lengthens the future queue of UK F-35s that will need to be pulled off the flight line to be upgraded to block 4 for us to be able to use them the way we rightfully expect to.
@@mortified776 interesting , sounds like politics -but obviously the more upgraded the better ? we need to be able to use all the weapons obviously .
Lockheed is building around 150 a year. No way near demand. Czech will get it after 2027.
@@fredtedstedman It's not just the UK. The USAF has also slowed their purchases until Block 4 is completed, to minimise purchases of Block 3 aircraft which later need expensive upgrades.
The ongoing issue is that the F-35 still suffers from a multitude of technical problems, which are delaying completion of Block 4 and also preventing it from being cleared for full rate production.
Consequently, the USAF will probably end up acquiring much less than the 1736 aircraft they originally intended to buy. Possibly more like 1000.
These issues will also delay exports, with priority given to partners and earlier orders.
I wonder if Gripen is not one of the best suited fighters for Ukraine, given it's ability to use regular roads as runways. Ukrainians are doing that already with their MiG-29 planes, but Jas 39 was purposely designed for that.
US: "What do we gotta do to get you into an F35 today?"
Czech: "I could see myself flying an F35... Do you do financing?"
US: "You'd look great in that thing.. Why don't you have a seat, get a feel for her and Joe here will write up some paperwork you'll be happy with"
Czech: "Feels good, gotta say but don't bust my balls, I got other options.. I'm gonna want an extended warranty"
US: "No ball busting here baby, this thing was built for export"
Czech: "This thing is sweeeet. I think I'm ready to get my wife down here and see what she thinks"
US: "Bro... Come on now... Your wife wants a man that'll treat her like a lady, am I right?... Trust me, she'll see you in a whole new light once you show wearing this nasty thing."
Czech: "Yeah, I guess... But I don't know"
US: "Look, I'm gonna be honest with ya, I got a lunch with my Canadian friends sitting over there. This stock ain't gonna last past the crab cakes. Now, when you walked in, I thought to myself... That a shot caller if I ever seen one... What's it gonna be then?"
Czech: "Lets do it".
US: "Yeah?"
Czech: "Fuck yeah!"
Thank you for explaining why the F-35 name was chosen! It's so annoying to my OCD lol as there are no fighter planes listed from F-23 to F-34, I would have preferred F-24 to keep the naming convention clean and correct, but oh well
Well there is the YF-23 and X-32
Same as the F-117
And why was the -19 skipped?
God dammit you can't have a consistent system?
@@WynnofThule Right sorry I meant AFTER "-23" i didn't word that clearly my bad
@@JakubKas F-112 though F-116 were US designations for "acquired" foreign aircraft tested at Nellis, and probably Langley as well.
@@JakubKas Take this with a grain of salt. But back in the day the Aircraft Analysis Branch of the then Air Force Systems Command had assigned designations F-110 through F-116 (obviously F-111 was American) to soviet aircraft that had been acquired for testing. YF-110 = Mig-21, YF-110C = J-10, YF-112 = Su-17, YF-113 = Mig-23, YF-113G = Black Project unrelated to the YF-113, YF-114 = Mig-17, YF-115 = ?, YF-116 = ?, and then there was the YF-118G Bird of Prey. Essentially, they were continuations of the century series designations.
Also, supposedly there was a reference to a YF-24 in the online military bio of Colonel Joe Lanni during his test pilot days (it has since been removed from the now Brigadier General's bio). This would not be a reference to the current F-35 as the timelines don't match and the F-35 development was not that much of a secret.
The soviet aircraft being given those designations is believable enough, but the information on the YF-24 is where you start digging though the rabbit hole. The F-19 is famously skipped likely to deceive foreign intelligence agencies as was the case when Seal Team 6 was stood up. But who knows for sure. It should also be mentioned that the Air Force variant of the F-4 was going to be known as the F-110 Spectre before being renamed the F-4C per the 1962 Tri-Service aircraft designation system. But take this all with a grain of salt from some guy on the internet.
Oh and Germany is also buying more typhoon
Yeah, Germany is buying F-35s specifically so they can carry American nuclear bombs, which is something Typhoons aren't designed to do. They'd been dragging their feet to decide on a replacement for their Tornadoes in that role and now that the threat level has gone up they realized that the F-35 is the only option that doesn't require an additional, time consuming development process. Without this context the video is slightly misleading when it comes to Germany.
Also, Czechia not renewing the lease on its Gripens means that they will be available for Ukraine, either in 2027 or sooner if something were to be worked out. I seem to recall Sweden having mentioned that they would be donated to Ukraine once Czechia was done with them. That's more useful context to keep in mind.
Putin and Xi, Jinping are F35's best salesmen.
Looks as though the F35 is fast becoming the most popular fighter ever:)
F-35 crashes at Air Force base in Utah; pilot ejected safely
The SR-71 got named that after the president misread RS-71 for Reconnaissance, Supersonic.
Wow those new engines sound increidble if they can do what was said it would be a huge improvement on anything outh there right now.
Bad for SAAB but kind of good for Sweden. Gripen E is a very capable plane and shouldn't be underrated, and this means all focus by west's enemies will be to counter the F-35 while Gripen unlikely will get much attention, which is a dangerous thing when it is a plane that is purely focused on EW.
Great video! …. As usual 😉👍
But Germany 🇩🇪 did procure the F-35 primarily in order to fulfill its part in NATO’s “Nuclear sharing”. Certification of the Eurofighter turned out too costly and not realizable before the retirement of the Tornado 🤷🏽♂️
Can't put a finger on it, but whatever it is, you are killin' it.
Looked at the time line & was bummed it was about over, but that just amplified my anticipation level for your next release. If time flies = fun, I was all in.
And who would've thought it about the F-35? It had more haters than (enter Presidents name here)!
Love seeing Lockheed/Pratt-n-Whitney combine for yet another historic aircraft.
Great video!
Thank you Tracy, I’m very glad you enjoyed the video and watched till the end. I try to get a little better with each video, already working on the next one. Cheers!
Awesome stuff, Tog. Seems the lighting is spreading rapidly. 🤔
Most of Nato is using them and Pacific allies, an easy pick !!!
Both are great aircraft. The F35 is a newer generation.
It is not so much its fighter capabilities but rather its surveillance capabilities. Also being on a stealthy platform it can get much closer to what it is surveilling. Surveillance equipment just can't be slapped onto any aircraft without compromise. The aircraft has to be designed around it. That is why they are not making anymore F-22's because of that. That says a lot about how important it is to have superior eyes and ears than just being able to fly fast. You should follow-up and do a video on the F-35's $400,000 helmet.
Simple. The F-35 is WAY more capable. The JAS-39 is a fine aircraft, but, it's 4th gen. It's already obsolescent.
I still believe that a more holistic approach that incorporates the following building blocks would serve most countries better than plugging F-35s in 😅 👇
- A full scale Joint All Domain Command and Control (JADC2) that emphasizes “permission autonomy” C2 of autonomous assets
- a manned fleet of FA-18E/F/G block III & Gripen E/F that is fully integrated in the JADC2
- Implementation of the Swedish basing concept with lots of makeshift runways and highly mobile related logistics and infrastructure
- Lots of force multipliers that increase situational awareness, like the Globaleye AWACS
- Lots of autonomous platforms to realize affordable mass
Euros throwing fits rn💀
Yea really look at the replies.
No?
I think there is roles for both the F-35 and other 4-4+ less expensive aircraft, once the F-35 has cleared the air, a very capable, affordable and extremely flexible less expensive platform like F-39/16/18 for strike and CAS to keep hours off of the F-35. A fleet that has more options is only a plus.
Sometimes the shield is better, sometimes the sword is. Right now, the sword has the advantage.
I glad politicians are listening to aerospace engineers and pilots instead of clickbait headlines and angry UA-cam comments.
And don't get me started on the number of Russian trolls, bots and shills spreading disinformation about the F-35.
Just ridiculous how america is forcing everyone to buy this PoS fighter that never sees combat and 3 have crashed in the last 10 months (2 fell off of aircraft carriers) costing over 100 mil each which makes 10 overall lost for over a billion dollars lost without ever being deployed in actual combat and is for airshows and demonstrations only.
Cry
This Tyler Durden always comments the exact same thing, word for word, on every video I’ve seen about the F-35.
1000 F35 and 20 nations. Wow.
Because F-35 is better.
The Philippines can buy those used Gripens
I wonder if Sweden is going to develop/speed up a Gen 5 fighter, a "JAS-41" design.
Thats not even a real plane
Sweden and Saab are participating in the Tempest program
The Grippen seems to be very capable and economical fighter, no question. The nations that chose the F-35 didn't, I think, choose the F-35 not because the US strong armed them or some other reason, they chose it after a great deal of research into the subject and came to this conclusion. I'm not inherent fan of the F-35, but it must be doing something military leaders feel is needed to protect their homelands.
Don´t forget the power of bribing key officials!
F35 is a flying super computer
Get it
I prefer the aesthetic look of the Saab.
Has there been any new information released about the new RAM?
The F-35 is the future, sensor fusion way ahead of anything that exists today and many other tech that makes it the new standard. The gripen does not have any where near with same capabilities. That decision is wise.
Gripen E has sensorfusion.
@@ghostviggen F-35 sensor fusion and networking hits different, Millenium 7 has great videos on it
No, the F-35 is the present, with the potential to be upgraded to operate in the future.
The Gripen is the past, upgraded to operate in the present.
NGAD, Tempest, FCAS and similar programs are the future.
@@WynnofThule and Gripen E even have networked sensorfusion.
It means nothing for Czechoslovakia. That country ceased to be in 1992.
No surprise that any twin engine fighter has much higher costs all around.
What i do find interesting though is that smaller countries (such as finland, czech, etc) opt for f35, yes it is a better aircraft but the cost per flight hour is insanely high compared to JAS. Pair that with the amount of personel needed to maintain a f35 which is about 12 people which higher education as opposed to 5 people one of which with higher education and the other 4 being conscripts or privates. But then again, the people who made the choice are a lot more experienced and smarter than i am.
Yes Jas39 E/F gripen is truly under rated MRF but has 5th gen. Avionic capabilities & best for smaller countries . Deployable in STOL in ordinary roads & lesser cost in operation maintenance .Easy to operate maintain .
This airplane will go on to be a Legend, just as the P38 is. The 'Fighter Hall of Fame' awaits the F35. What's to like? Heaps. That is clearly why it gets such excellent sales abroad. I envisage Ukrainia investing a fleet of F35's in the future. Such a pity that they lack them now.
Poland also purchased 32 F-35s in 2020. It will complement the 48 F-16 that the Polish air force has. The F-35 is the optimal solution. The line of ordering the F-35 is very long.
No 32 F-35 and 48F-16 is Only 32 F-35. The loght bomber f-35 replace the Mig-29 and part of the F-16
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With so many nations including Germany getting F-35s, I wonder what will become of the FCAS program.
If you are a NATO member, it makes no sense to buy any other fighter jet than the F-35.
One thing almost never talked about is the munitions supplied with the fighter jet deal, without it the fighter is just a very small AWAC.
Buy an F-35 and your foreign policy is tied to the US's. But the US can still veto Gripen deals since its engines are US's (F-18). Good luck selling it to EU.
NATO countries are using US made ammunition on EU made fighters, so I don't know what are you talking about...
Then these manufacturers should develop their own engines, these NATO counties rely on US made weapons and logistics also.
@@rayjames6096 Western and Northern European countries have their own military industry and develop their own aircraft and weapons, such as the Eurofighter Typhoon and Meteor missile.
However, Eastern European countries suffered from 45 years of Soviet exploitation, during which they were subservient to Moscow. Consequently, following the collapse of the USSR, they lacked a domestic defence industry, but also the economy needed to create one.
This is also why Ukraine's military predominantly relies on Russian equipment and arms, although the current war is obviously changing that.
Buying the Gripen also means your foreign policy is tied to Sweden.
Very few countries will sell you no strings attached.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD You always tie to the country you buy from...
I stand corrected
F35 has a supercomputer that happens to fly
Operating both types would have advantages
And one overwhelming disadvantage: finance.
@@Mishn0 …. Operational costs for the F-35 are huge. Versus merely large for a Gripen. But how many missions over the lifespan of the F-35 actually require an F-35? This is where a Gripen can find a niche. Will a western air force require a high end all stealth fleet?
@@Idahoguy10157 Operational costs for the F-35 are declining. Look up the development of ceramic based RAM. That is going to drop the per flight hour cost a lot. Also, if you look at what the operators say about the F-35, stealth isn't even close to its biggest strength. It's its electronics suite.What one F-35 sees, all allied forces see. It's an intel platform, a jammer, a remote target designator...
@@Mishn0 …. The F-35 comes with abilities and advantages. Stealth being one of them. Costs are dropping because of the economics of volume. Eventually they’ll be thousands operating. But as you don’t need a Mercedes-Benz to deliver groceries you don’t need an F-35 for all fighter-attack missions. Which is where the Gripen and F-16 are useful
@@Idahoguy10157 But there is a whole lot of overhead involved in maintaining two separate types in service. It's doubtful whether a small nation like the Czech Republic would be able to lower the over all cost of the fleet, even with the lower per hour costs of an F-16 or Grippen contingent.
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this implies that the F-35 is better than the Eurofighter in ever way which is not the reason Germany decided to buy the F35.
they needed a replacement for their tornados because of the nuclear share in nato and the Eurofighter can't carry B-61 nuclear bombs sinc every country that operates the EF has a different platfrom that can carry them.
they wanted to buy F-18s for that reason but then went with the F-35.
they decided to aquire more EF with the F-35s tho becuase the EF.
So they only quired F-35s because they had to.
but in the same breath they aquired more EFs as well.
the UK did the same thing btw
The B-61 is US also.
@@rayjames6096 what do you wanna tell us?
I think they are simply thinking about the future with the F35’s modularity, open architecture and ability to easily network with other systems.
Which is a huge deal.
All that is true for the Gripen too. I’d say stealth, ew, sensor suite and above all politics is what makes the F35 a winner here.
I’m a Gripen fanboy but I’m not going to argue with the logic of choosing the US over Sweden as your top ally.
Hey Tog, do you think that the acquisition of so many F-35's can also turn out to be a bad thing? With the DoD, Lockheed Martin, NATO, and our allies getting the F-35 for its still classified technological advancements, do you think that handing out more is a bit of a security concern? We've already seen how fast China scrambled to try and get the F-35's we lost in the Pacific (thank God they didn't). But all it would take is for one F-35 to wind up in Russian or Chinese hands and the entire F-35 fleet worldwide would be compromised.
Apparently a risk thats seen as worth taking. Wouldn't surprise me if exported models are dumbed down some either.
Having upwards of 1000 stealthy, interoperable fighter/attack aircraft is probably a much bigger advantage than having a couple hundred (with a higher cost per unit), supplemented with inferior airframes.
No, it has to be logged into. It is a software giant, it cannot be taken and used in the wrong hands. The F-16 was exported and doing well. It's more of a traditional buttons and switches, the JSF is not.
Too many eggs in that one basket, If means evolves, likely low cost, to mitigate it's advantages.
Export models won't be equipped to the same standard as US versions and any technology included will already have been cleared for export, as it isn't considered a competitive advantage.
This limits the knowledge which can be gained by stealing technology from them, but it remains a persistent risk, which is why the USA is fussy about who can buy it and only sells to trustworthy allies.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the F-35 includes a self-destruct mechanism for the most sensitive/secret technologies, to reduce the chances of them falling into enemy hands.
Today (april 2024) the American F35 has a 29% operational availability, so the Chech's will have ca. 7 planes ready to fly at any time. Well done.
So are they going to have less aircraft because of the f35 or the same amount as much as I love the f35 I would not make my airforce smaller just to have them
Good point. That's like WW2 German tanks having superior traits, but being overwhelmed by superior numbers of Allied tanks.
airshows are gonna be very boring in future.......just grey F-35 s !!
@@joeshmoe9978 Hard factors alone don't make a better tank. If your tanks worst enemy is its own transmittion, then it ain't a good tank
@@JakubKas true, I forgot about their technical problems!
Czech Air Force currently fly 14 Jas39 Gripen. 12 single seat jets, 2 double seat trainers.
we're expanding the airforce by expressing interest in acquiring full 24 F35 jets. it should be two full fledged squadrons.
Interesting video, but lacks of comparative facts. For example, what is the cost per flying hour for Gripen? There is no facts presented of what one aircraft have and the other hasn't.
well, chech republic is doing well economically. It may be a small nation, but imagine you only have 14 jets in the fleet, so going futureproof isnt such a bad idea. Gripen would probably be more popular if it wasnt for most european countries being in americas pocket. But it does pay off to be on good terms with them, in case you were to be invaded by someone. Good ol' cowboys wont let nobody hurt their milk cows.
Yeah, we noticed in Syria just how much Europe was "in americas pocket" by their complete lack of support for Obama's red line. They were in somebody's pocket, and it wasn't the United States of America's.
@@ostiariusalpha you mean what red line? That line that even american politicians didnt really want to draw? Especially that theres alot of sand in syria, and lines drawn on such surfaces tend to fade away very quickly, leaving everybody confused whats what and where? xD
@@Verithiell The point is they blew him off without hesitation. They ally with the U.S. at their convenience and when it serves their interests because they're quite simply not in America's pocket.
The first 10 seconds and immediately hit me over the head with "Czechoslovakia". That doesn't exist anymore. Now there is the Czech Republic (which wants the F-35) and the Slovak Republic (which has ordered the F-16).
I know that with 10 million inhabitants we are not exactly the center of the world, but still... try to get used to the division of our countries :)
For example, you might be interested to know that we are one of the few countries that managed to divide peacefully.
Not a fair competition. Like comparing a 1935 fighter to a modern 1960s Jet fighter.
it is the czech republic not czechoslovakia m8!!
No government with any sense would order a 4th Gen Gripen that doesn’t perform as well as a 30 year old F16 😂
I seriously doubt that claim about the F-16.
@@rick7424 Red Flag and Gripen E is new
I don't know. I think i would prefer the Gripen. None of our enemies are particularly good when it comes to high-tech military systems, so in my eyes the Gripen would work just as fine for merely a fraction of the cost with 4500$ per flight hour. Maybe im biased as i do love economy lmao.
Pierre Sprey said the F-35's cost would continue to increase, causing more cancellations then causing more price increase causing more cancelations. Thus the F-35 would enter into a death spiral. Wonder what he thinks now?..... Great story about the F-35''s naming at the end, LOL.
Pierre Sprey is a master at being hilariously wrong all the time
Pierre Sprey is dead.He died in 2021.I doubt he thinks anymore.
Can you deploy a B61-12 nuclear bomb from a Grippen?
No, that’s why everyone is buying F-16s, F-15s and F-35s: you get a stealth nuclear strike platform.
Only de F-35 can deploy de B-61-12. But to drop the B-61-12 to Germany you don't need an F-35 from Poland or the Czech Republic they can put them on a truck and detonate them in Berlin or Hamburg.
It is the closest thing to killing a Russian is going to be a B-61-12 on European soil to atomize a Russian. The F-35 is a couple of thousand kilometers short of attacking a single Russian target.
If the new B-21s are going to go just right to attack their targets and need cruise missiles with nuclear warheads to hit their targets, a plane that has 6 times less range is going to attack Russian targets.
F-22 was never treated like this. They are never offered even to the closest allies. It seems like the US is not too worried about giving off F-35 to many countries.
That was the point of the F-35 - a standard plane for US and allies, basically the next F-16.
The F-22 (and I’m assuming NGAD will work the same way) are so that the US keeps the best closely held, especially from an espionage standpoint as the F-35 is inevitably going to be compromised with so many partners.
Given what’s been rumored, it likely already is fully compromised (especially given the Chinese very similar knockoff) so no reason to limit sales.
Don't worry the usa is keeping the *good* stuff to ourselves
@@Justanotherconsumer another think to mention is that US keeps updating the F-35 and knows all it's secrets and after several years an F-35 sold to allies will be inferior to the F-35 US keeps developing on.
If the US ever decides to share the Raptor it would be with Japan and UK..as the F117 was offered to the RAF after a few years ..but then again both Japan and UK will go for the tempest
@@argonaut_aero if the Tempest actually happens. I expect TSR2 problems there - can’t compete on price with the F-35 for at best a marginally better aircraft.
What’s hard to know about the F-35 is whether it has room to grow, but the new engines strongly suggest that beating the F-35 is a moving target.
Possible that there’s a market for a more dedicated air superiority export fighter since the F-35 is basically McNamara’s dream of a single plane for all services.
That dream is a huge benefit in logistics and other elements of running a military that don’t make for fun UA-cam videos.
F-24 makes much more sense. We had the F-14, F-15, F-16, YF-17, F-18, F-22, and YF-23 as well. Just not sure what happened to the F-19, 20 and 21. But oh well…
F-19: designation used to cover the F-117 , F-20: Northrop Tigershark, F-21 IAI Kfir used in small numbers by Top Gun.
@@orbiradio2465 "F-21 IAI Kfir used in small numbers by Top Gun."(sic)
VF-43 and VMFT-401.
Forget NATO. Concentrate on developing nations like Thailand, Brazil or South Africa. Gripen is competetive at USD 30 million. F35A costs USD70 million. You in NATO or rich, you pick F35A. No brainer
Tog, Another well done post on the evolution of the F-35. Coupel thoughts....F-35 as a critical date node. The man in the loop, "wetwear" and software are, and will forever be the challenge of any sophisticated man/machine systems, of any kind. Stipulated....and looking forward to future AI support.....
I'm excited to see unfold, the aspirations of adaptive engines "power plants", coupled to directed energy weapons. While not likely realized as "fully operational" in the near future. Directed energy weapons systems are the future, and highly probable within 20 years, IMO. Which may seem a long time, but not so much in aviatoin development. In the end, "energy" in directed "energy" weapons systems >>>>>> is the critical development path.
Thank you Scott, and agreed I think power availability will drive the next evolution in weapons tech. Missiles may become backup weapons the same way guns/canons are today
Given the heat the ceramic ram coating can handle I could maybe see it letting the F-35 survive a hit or two from a laser.
@@kingdomofvinland8827 Intersting notion. While my comment speaks to the adaptive cycle engine powering onboard directed energy weapons. I'd not considered countermeasures to directed energy weapons being focused on the aircraft.
Think it's time for SAAB to start to shutdown the Gripen E/F production line & move forward with the next fighter in development with the British!
They haven't manufactured most planes that have been ordered by Sweden and Brazil, so I don't think the production lines will be shutdown in many years. And at least Brazil will probably order more planes after the first 40, since the country is so huge.
Have the Czechs annexed Slovakia again?
the idea that a small country like Czech Republic can fly the world's most advanced fighter is revolutionary. this small but awesome country will field a more powerful fighter than Russia or China flies. let that sink in. and they can be in nuke sharing program.
This makes a huge difference for the alliance
Most advanced Fighter F-22 and J-20.
@@luisterrats2290 j 20 with exposed rivets is awesome stealth
@@lgnfve F-35 subsonic is a Fighter .By far the most advanced aircraft in production is the J-20. And when between the J-31 will be the J-20 and J-31 the most advanced in production. They are not even remotely like the F-22 but it is the best that is being manufactured until the USA releases its two new fighters and Europe its two.
Today's planes up to the F-35 bomber don't have any visible rivets. It confuses the construction with the old allies of the Czechs that those do continue to do botches, but the J-20, a supersonic plane with a supercruise with more than a thousand miles of range, does not miss rivets. And not everything is being stealth, in WWII the Mosquito was stealth and it was not the most advanced plane in the world, although it was agile and fast, not like the F-35.
@@luisterrats2290 pssst, we see china's jets on radar. stealth ? nope
Poor Gripen can't get a win.
@@craig4867 cope
It is generation 4 aircraft and when war happens near by it always creates fear to make you buy new military toys like F35
Ye,they should changes the name to the “ F-35 “ do you agree?
Maybe they realized that Gripen is useless against the coming Russian invasion.
@0:25 Czechoslovakia?
Extremely surprised by this. I would not be shocked to find out that politics played a part. The latest iteration of the Saab Gripen delivers all of the same characteristics, features, and mission profiles as the F 35 with the exception of not being stealth. Although it is on the lower observable side.
Saab has gone to great lengths to produce a world leading aircraft that while the buy purchase price is not that much lower than the F 35, the operating cost and maintenance needs are vastly lesser in nature.
The Czech Republic mentioned that the F 35 capability to be an early warning platform and an electronic countermeasure platform are all true about the gripen as well. So I find it ironic that they mention these things as reasons for choosing the F 35 over the other aircraft. I think the truth lies somewhere closer to the money in politics behind it. I feel very bad for Saab at the moment because they continue to get beaten by the F 35 in procurement contracts, but the product that Saab makes is top notch and more bang for the buck. Country like the Czech Republic, but doesn’t need a stealth aircraft would have been well served utilizing the gripen.
I have a feeling that this was a repeat of Norway. Back in 2009, it was revealed that Lockheed had the U.S. State Department coerce the Norwegian government to stick to the F-35 through heavy political pressure and bullying.
Great video! As for my opinion on military designations, I am a traditionalist. The JSF should have been designated the F-24. I hate the U.S. Military's recent trend at arbitrary military designations. The B-21 Raider is another example of this. It should have been the B-3.
Joking here, but it is 2+1 =3 but seriously i know its not b3
No F-24 A-11
It was supposed to be the F-24 but when the Air Force chose the X-35 over the X-32 the SecAir announced that "the USAF has selected the F-35 for the next generation and beyond" and when the Secretary of the Department of The Air Force calls your plane a name. It becomes that name.
Macron won't be happy. He's been pushing for the EU to buy the French Dassault Rafale
What is this conclusion about germany procuring the F35... Its well know that germany for years and years have needed to replace the carrier platform for the A-bomb. The only option is the F 35. No compeditior would give away information on its own platform for the integration. The connection is strictly to the german commitment to its nuclear sharing policy. Eurofighters ability have nothing to do with it. If they would have had time they would have gone with a nother platform most likely.
good question would be, what are the gripens obsolete against?
the more modern gripens are only ever inferior to 4 fighters, f35,f22, su57, and the chinese stealth jet.
2 of them are western (so i assume they will not fight the czechs)
su57 is virtualy not even a thing, there is like 10 of them, half of that are test beds and russia is gonna be too broke after this war to field them effectively anyway
and china is on the other side of the world.
i dont really see what task would a czech f35 need to do to not be just extremely cost in effective. Gripen or even a f16 would be enough for any task czehcs can realisticly be expecting, unless there is something i dont know.
Its hard telling what the f35 can do. I mean casting a hologram to confuse missiles. Lol so I've always been into fighter jets and I'd say around 30 years ago I got a stack of like index cards with military aircraft and their abilities. They say if we know about it then the military is years even decades more advanced as the U.S. keeps things under tight seals normally. But in that stack of cards was a military aircraft that looked about like a 707 that had a powerful laser on it. It stated that it could blast through the top of a mountain. Then I never heard no more about it. We now have lasers on our ships and I believe the US version of the f35 could have a powerful laser on it. I know the fact it can shoot a missile at targets behind it without moving its nose is crazy. One pilot described it as a flying supercomputer capable of doing insane things that he couldn't go into. He also said we don't even know its full capabilities cause UT is doing things we didn't think it could do which I think means it has some sort of AI capabilities to learn. Its a bad mamajama either way. You know when different nations team up with the US to build a plane its gonna be insane.
Czechoslovakia isn't a country dude. Hasn't been for 31 years.
He can’t keep getting away with it!