Hermes has become a "cult" at this point. Why would you have the "privilege" to purchase a US$30,000.00 bag? That sounds ridiculous and I blame social media. If Hermes wants to dupe people into spending thousands for a basic overrated leather bag so be it. Go bananas. Dupes are everywhere. Lots of retailers sell "dupes" like this Walmart bag. From what I understand, this is a genuine leather bag. It screams "dupe" not "counterfeit". If it was counterfeit, then it would be a problem. High end "luxury" has lost its flair. This is a non-issue.
Exactly. It's a dupe, not a fake. Hermes' quality is top-notch, but their whole buying experience is a scam: you can't order a Birkin; you have to cultivate a relationship with a sales person and have to buy several items before you can get on a Birkin waitlist, etc. Several former Hermes employees have videos on UA-cam talking about the scam. My favorite is the guy who used a loaf of Wonder Bread for the Birkin.
I really don’t care as long as someone isn’t being cheated by someone who sells the genuine item and it really is a fake. The Birkin has never really appealed to me so I think people should buy what they like as long as they know what they are buying.
Fake, dupe. . Word salad. Plan and simple this is copy write infringements Watching this unfold is entertaining On another note...this whole thing is starting to feel like a physop in marketing.
That's because dupes are sold illegally off streets, secretly by sellers, etc. Whereas Wal-Mart is trying to pass their wirkins as legal dupes, replicas, copycat to hermes birkins. which is a copyright lawsuit.
I have to chime in on this topic. I am a leather crafter that started making handbags after hearing how expensive these luxury brands are selling there products for. I can tell you right now, I can make that birken bag with top quality leather and craftsmanship. There are already leather crafters that make these bags and sell them. I have inspected luxury brands $2500 bags that look mass produced and are complete garbage leather. Buyer beware, a luxury label does not mean you bought a luxury bag.
I like your concept of buying luxury bags. It is not so common online these days. Thank you for reminding us that the best luxury is the one we use! For example, the bags you buy on *regbags* are so good and so cheap, it is hard to tell if they are real or fake, the point is they are still very cheap and of great quality.
They had some in store first, it went viral when a women was in Walmart and found a yellow wirkin lol, after that people tried to get it on Walmart online
Zara copies high end fashion so I'm wondering why it's different with bags? Clothing stores copy each other all the time so why do we look at bags any different?
The Hermes bag has been duped for years. This is cracking me up. Why would Hermes decide to sue Walmart, and not the hundreds of other sellers who dupe Hermes, LV, Gucci, Chanel, etc…
I agree with you. They say Jane Birkin didn't care if the style was copied, the reason it was so costly was the funds were to be donated to helping the animals. And to add for yearssss duplication has been happening, this is a distraction for something else as usual. 🕊🕊
For me, the Dior scandal has tarnished the luxury brands. It has put me off buying any new bags. I understand paying for quality but potentially paying thousands for a bag that only costs a few hundred dollars or less to make is it really worth paying that much more for the name? Hats off to Walmart 😂😂😂😂
It is a dupe, not a fake, because it is not stamped with the Hermes logo. If Hermes was going to take legal action, they would have sent a cease and desist letter immediately and they have not (as far as I can see on the almighty internet). Also, there are lots of brands that sell dupes online, and have been, for years with no issues. Hermes has been silent, in my opinion, for the following reasons: even with their brand value what it is, I don't think they want to tangle with Wal-Mart's lawyers; second, they are already in a high profile litigation about their selling practices, so them being seen as not wanting a certain demographic...Wal-Mart customers...to not have access to an item that simply looks like the Birkin, is not good for their case of limiting access. I don't have one of these bags, but all the videos I have seen have said they are real leather. In the 90s and prior, you could walk into Hermes and buy a bag off the shelf or put down a 50% deposit and wait for it to be made if you wanted a specific color or leather. So, what changed? Maybe it was the increase of the "nuveaux riche" and social media money over the last few decades? There are so many wealthy people with massive collections of these bags, so how could they be rare? Also, if you have seen the inside of Fashionphile, the RealReal, and all the other big reseller's vaults, they each have thousands of these bags in every color of the rainbow. Yes, there are rare bags (Himalayan and diamond encrusted), but Hermes is just another corporation that seems to have been able to take advantage of certain elements of the human psyche.
I love all of your points and thoughts on this my friend! Since posting this video, I’ve seen some comments under an IG post on it that Hermes have (apparently) issued a cease and desist. I wonder if this is true, we shall see I guess. Hugs xx
@@SophieShohetOfficialDacob showed that the Patent for the Birkin in the US. If true they probably did send a Ceases and Desist. Walmart will definitely be careful since they tangled with LV before
They have sent a cease and desist letter. You're almighty internet must not be the same as mine. Also, no need to split hairs with terms "fake/dupe". We are all on the same page.
@4lb280 can you copy the link and post it? I believe you. Again, so many dupes on the market that are being sold for more and online with no issues, so it must just be that it is Walmart and they don't like that.
"Luxury" means something different than it used to. People now say "luxury" to mean: only available to a select people- a label, so it's a flag to those who care about that kind of thing. I used to understand it as something made exceeding mass produced QUALITY. And people used to pay for that. But now people will pay large amounts for crap that has little longevity just to have a label. Sad downturn, just like everything else in society.
3 years ago I sold my LV Gucci and YSL bags not because I didn’t like them but because they didn’t feel anymore special than my Coach Or Rebecca Minkoff bags. I don’t think I’ll ever spend over $500 on a bag again.
Agreed, completely. To me $25,000 upwards is a ridiculous price to pay for a bag. That is a down payment on a house. Or a long saved for, once in a lifetime holiday.
@@4lb280I don't think it's about being a poser at all. For instance I love the style & look of the Birkin bag. I think it is stylish & classic. Bags are not made like that anymore. However the price of a Birkin is way out of my budget. I'd have to save a lifetime to buy one. And even then I doubt that I would. If I can get a dupe for around $100.00, and it has the overall look, you bet I'm going to buy it. I couldn't give a damn about what others think. I genuinely like the bag. I don't care what name/brand is or isn't on it. I honestly think the bag is a beautiful design. There are plenty of ugly designer bags that I wouldn't buy the dupes of.
If I was the buyer of Hermès bags, my outrage would basically be my screaming ego because the "visual wealth" I like to show by buying Birkin bags is now severely ridiculed by Wirkin accessible to almost everyone. So those who're outraged (understandably?) are basically angry that somebody dared to make their "exclusive club" utterly relative and basically non-existent. This whole thing looks almost like some Balenciaga-ish social experiment and it shows that today something being considered "luxury" is a social construct built by our ego. 🤷🏼♂️
They aren’t threatened, but they do care. They must have sent them a cease and desist because before this video was even put up, all outstanding order were cancelled. The Wirkin is already dead.
I have seen bags that look like birkin dupes in a local little shops too. They all get them imported from China. They also had Chanel dupes too. This is nothing new.
Right, like fakes & dupes have been around for ages. Do we really think the people carrying a very obvious wirkin are running in the same social circles as those carrying (or with closer knowledge of) the Birkin? Their legal team will still send a cease and desist because that’s what they get paid for. But it’s not hurting the brand like some people are claiming 😂
@@s_fashionlovernobody cares if you think your overpriced junk bag sown by a lonely underpaid employee is superior. I’m buying the dupe and this will be my first time getting one.😂
The frustration about Walmart’s ‘Wirkin’ makes me think about how much society ties worth to material possessions. Owning a Birkin often comes with layers of stress-security, insurance, and even the need to flaunt it as a status symbol. On the other hand, someone with a Wirkin can enjoy the simple pleasure of having a stylish bag without the baggage (pun intended). At the end of the day, the value of a person shouldn't hinge on the bag they carry but on the kindness they show. There’s room in the world for both the Birkin and the Wirkin, and we should celebrate people’s choices without judgment. After all, life’s too short to measure happiness by price tags or history-let’s just cheer each other on, regardless of what bag we’re holding.
The thing I think most people miss is that Walmart website is identical to Amazon. Most of the listings are from 3rd party sellers from China. Anyone can sign up and sell. That bag was on the site a whole year.
Nope. Hermes would have to reasonable argue that there is a very good chance a buyer would easily mistake the Walmart one for the Hermes. I mean, that would have to be the argument that they are virtually indistinguishable in the marketplace. If that were TRUE, then that means Hermes sells Walmart level goods that nobody could tell the difference immediately. What a sad argument that would be.
The idea of the Hermes behemoth and their lawyers, and the Walmart behemoth and *their* lawyers, having a go at each other is just… like Godzilla vs Kong or something. Colossal kaiju tearing into each other while we mere mortals take cover and eat popcorn.
Times are changing the economy is tanking and I’m in the middle of rural country and thousands of miles from any high end brand … I would not buy an Hermes’ or even the Workin … but the bag was made for Jane Birkin for the working ladies … one influencer said “ everyone deserves to have something pretty no matter their financial abilities “ … I’m not here or there it’s whatever makes a person happy … great video
I purchased a dupe Kelly-style bag from Victoria Hyde London. The brand name is clearly displayed on the bottom of the bag. The main reason I bought it was because it is not made from leather so no animals were harmed. As a vegan that was important to me.
There is a difference between dupe and fake. Walmart is not copying the name or trademark and claiming this is Hermes. Designers copy each other all the time - Coach copies Prada, APC copies Celine, and the list goes on and on. Then should that be seen as fakes too?
This is it!! I can’t work out if it’s a dupe or a fake! I feel like it’s a fake because despite the fact they haven’t put a logo, they have basically ripped off the Birkin 🤔 but I get what you’re saying too!!xx
@@SophieShohetOfficial It's a dupe. Fake has trademark logos and branding. Dupe is similar design and nobody can patent a fairly average work or laptop bag. Different categories of IP.
Othe brands put a twist on their dupes, just enough to make it their own. Like the Coach Tabby inspired by the Chanel Flap, the Gucci Marmont etc. They are flaps but they are different. YSL have Birkin dupes, Neverfull have dupes all across the board but they don't exactly look like LVs Neverfull. If Walmart is confident in their product that it's just a dupe and wouldn't cause any legal repercussions they will not pull it out of their website esp that it went viral? It could mean more business right? but why pull it out?
Not a Walmart fan but really , it great that they did this. I think it is insane how the sale of the actually luxury bag out of reach for the trades-worker who made the luxury item. It 18:49 is not worth the price or the process involved in getting the Hermes bag. Gives normal people a chance of getting a quality bag for a reachable price. The prices on luxury items is insane. The tradespeople who make the goods can’t afford the goods and yet the luxury name does not pay the tradespeople for their workmanship fairly either. The profit over the cost of the luxury item is insane!
Tbh, even if Walmart gets sued, they can easily afford it. It’s one of the largest and wealthiest companies in the world and it’s a fun marketing bit (not that Walmart needs even more marketing in the US).
I agree, which is why I also doubt they'll go after Walmart since that'd be a financial and legal nightmare to attack a giant like Walmart and their legal teams (and yes I said TEAMS, they probably have multiple lol). 😅
I think it is a good move by Walmart to host this product on their website. The fact that it is sold out is not because people want to carry a fake Birkin. It is to make a statement to Birkin and to people who have an inflated ego about being offered a Birkin that a bag doesn’t and shouldn’t determine who we are. Please don’t get me wrong. I would like to purchase a Birkin too and I have saved my heard earned salary but I refuse to be ill treated or discriminated at an Hermes’ store. Not only does one have to build a shopping history which is bad, I know that I will be discriminated at the store based on the color of my skin. I dread walking into a luxury store because I do not want people to judge me for no reason based on what I am wearing or how I look. I haven’t killed anyone, raped anyone, sexually molested anyone. I am a good person with good values and yet have to bear the judgements at a retail store despite having money to buy.
As long as they’re not pretending to be actual Hermès, I haven’t got a problem with it, I think it’s hilarious. I doubt very many people care about being blacklisted by Hermès.
I agree with you. Hermes is the real deal, and I'm definitely planning to own my first one by month end! Unrelated but let’s say you bought one for say 30k, how much could you sell it for say in two years if you needed the cash? Do they appreciate in value over time, or do they lose worth?
Hmm. If this is one of your fears/reasons for buying one, you might want to reconsider and put your money into stocks or another solid investment instead. With the right F.A or by choosing the right things to put your money into, you could grow your wealth to the point where you could afford a "better" birkin while ensuring your financial security in same 2 years. I say this from experience, having been in your shoes before. Goodluck
nice... this makes a lot of sense... been considering going into this stock thing for some time now. heard its a nice way to make money bts... how can I get a nice f.a? and how expensive are they?...
Well, you should start by looking out for those from credible firms and good track records. Also, make sure the person is licensed. Personally, I use Michael, Allen Eckrich. He's good and you could also look him up too. And they're usually way cheaper than you would expect.
It's a small world! I recently met him at a conference my office organized just a few weeks ago. What are the odds I'd be scrolling through an unusual post for me and come across this thread? Really small world!
This bag is from third party Chinese’s sellers. This is not a Walmart branded bag. Walmart’s website is a marketplace like Amazon. There are/were multiple sellers of the bag so the quality may vary.
I could be wrong, but I think the packaging looks like that because it's coming from China. Walmart basically 'hosted' the listing, but other than that, they have nothing to do with the production or quality or anything else. Like on Amazon, how you can get stuff from 3rd party sellers, so it doesn't come in an Amazon box. I THINK that's the idea here with the Wirkin, but I'm not 100% certain.
If I saw a nurse, still in scrubs, shopping for groceries after their shift, carrying their Wirkin, I would tell them how much I love their bag. Same for anyone carrying a Wirkin or Birkin. I think this style of bag is very sharp and I like it. I will appreciate their sense of style and let them know. 😊
I think those Wirkins were sold by different vendors through the Walmart website (hence the different packaging). Walmart is just like Amazon, anyone can sell through their platform. I think that the green Wirkin probably was real leather.
So when they first came out in the news here, I looked at the links. The initial bags sold weren’t fakes, they weren’t branded and were leather. When those sold out, fake leather ones were listed.
okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the *amzrepe* book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
I don't think any "company" should be able to block reselling. If they want to keep their exclusivity then they can't sell items just lease them for long periods. To me that's what it sounds like they are wanting to do. But again company are seeking rights that they don't want people to have. It's like buying electronic versions of things like books and music because when their licencing is up they pull it back from you even though you "bought" it. Realistically anyone could make a fake of a handbag if they have the time do to the availability of images of items online and the ability to purchase leathers online. Would it take awhile yes but it can be done if you really wanted it.
@@dyingangel1907 That’s why I use the Calibre program to de-DRM my ebooks! I bought it. It’s mine. No, if there’s a glitch in the system or my account is suspended or whatever, I do not think I should lose what I fairly paid for.
I’ve never clicked so fast! I’ve been eagerly waiting for you to post a video on this topic. Before I had children, I worked as a lawyer specializing in trademark law, so this really intrigues me. While the Wirkin doesn’t feature any trademarked logo, its creators-or even Walmart-could potentially face challenges under the trade dress category of trademark law. Trade dress refers to the design or packaging of a product when that design serves as a symbol identifying the product's source. Ultimately, the decision to take legal action against them lies with Hermès. Such a decision would depend on the brand’s evaluation of the potential impact on its reputation and the strength of the case under trademark law. That said, if you ask me, I’m fairly certain Hermès' legal team is already working on it.
Since you've got an expert opinion. I'm curious about a few things. Why would they only go after Walmart now? Wouldn't it diminish their case when it's revealed that they chose to ignore the same items on Amazon or other marketplace sellers? Also, Walmart is selling this from their marketplace, not their own line of fashion that they license and distribute. So how can they go after them as a marketplace? I've seen far worse examples on Etsy, which is another marketplace, where they sold pictures of "cheese pizza" which were actually chiId expIoitation images instead. But Etsy doesn't get in trouble for that. The seller listing it in their marketplace does (and should, clearly!). How is this different from that example?
Walmart's online website is also essentially a HOST site that sells, ofcourse everything walmart stores has but ALSO it allows Third Party Sellers to sell on their website!! it's a Chinese seller that sells these Wirkins. but walmart online has anything from Rolex's to Private Yachts and Luxury everything! (and chinese counterfit/dupes)
These brands all copy/steal from each other. *Cough* Hermes, Boldie, meet the Alma. Many brands have their version of the Speedy. The Coach Cassie came before the LV Pochette Metis.
Hi Sophie, i only heard about the Walmart Birkin 4 days ago. I have been checking their website continually since then, trying ti get one,any size, any color. They are sold out. I wanted one just for a laugh. I would never in a million years spend the money for a real Birkin, to me that is just a waste of money. But from Walmart, yeah! It’s really funny to me.
I'm a retired Interior Designer. From what I remember about patent of an original design is that once you've tweaked the design a bit you can defend your design in court and actually win! If Hermes patented their bags but this immitation added another design element like in this case an extra strap then it's not copying Hermes completely. Now Hermes can just take this to court and drag this case for a long time, Walmart in the mean time cannot sell the bag in question until the court would favor production of the Wirkin. 😊
In America I've seen so many bags that look like Hermes if they go after Walmart then they should be going after the hundreds of others who do this exact design
I love this, it’s so fun to see people getting something similar (the look for less)to what they may never be able to in their life time . If I were Hermes I would be rolling my eyes but I would ignore it because I think it would be classless of them to be bothered by copycats. This will most likely die down and people will always aspire for the real thing. But the silver lining to all of this is now you’re real Birkin can stay home away from thieves and you can wear your 80$ Birkin everywhere and feel safe 🤣.
But doesn’t it already become others’ business when it’s put up for sale again, it’s just by a supposed private consumer instead of the retailer… And I am really not a fan of those resellers that buy up ALL of a product first (because they have an ‘in’, more disposable income, use bots, etc.) and then jacking up the price 2 + times the original. See this a lot with event tickets, sneakers (Jordan’s, etc), and now even at stores like Marshall’s/TJX they’re shopping specifically for viral items & buying ALL of that already limited inventory at each & every store they can…. Basically they make the item near impossible to get other than from a reseller (when it wouldn’t necessarily be otherwise). I get making money however u best can, but seems like it just costs the fellow consumer more money, and in the end everyone pays more when the retailer starts raising prices because they have seen that their items will actually sell for more… personally I try to completely avoid buying items thru online resellers as to not ‘support’ it (or get ripped off lol). And obviously different types of reselling has been around forever in different formats (pawn shops, flea markets, general stores, etc.), but idk, maybe we can just go back to garage/yard sales where u would get lucky every once in a while & find a luxury/rare item for a fair negotiated price 😂
The problem w/Hermes in the USA is that unless you are deemed “special” by Hermes on first sight, you are required to spend several thousands in useless stuff before being invited to purchase a Birkin or Kelly. It’s different in Europe where you can make a wishlist without much or any prespend. But, in the US prespend is basically required. So, there’s no love lost amongst many people in the US and so dupes will be an issue here so long as Hermes ices out American consumers who would like to purchase their quota bags.
I love many of the Hermes products, but the run around having to reach a certain quota to get certain bags is just bs; it's tiring, frustrating/annoying! If anyone has $10k, 20k, $50k, etc to spend just sell her/him the bag she/he wants.
IMO luxury is NOT having to compete or get lucky to get a specific item. That's some sort of weird recreation of a poverty scarcity mindset but for the rich. Luxury is being able to buy a fine item because you have the money. If somebody says "no, having the money actually isn't good enough," that's the opposite of luxury to me. "Limited," does not necessarily mean "luxury." Having to wait for something to be custom made is fine. But having to compete to get it? Why? I'm also in the category of not caring about the wirkin. Fakes and dupes have existed forever and will continue to exist. If that bothers people carrying designer bags, why? Only buy it if you like it enough to not care if someone else has it. If you're buying it solely for the exclusivity, you're always at risk if a fake or dupe becomes popular.
@@eaglezero78 Luxury is beautiful design, and top quality materials, and no corners cut. To me, it has nothing whatsoever to do with scarcity. And especially not fake, manufactured scarcity.
Well said. I am turn-off the idea begging the luxury house to take my money. Wait for them to offer me a bag?! No way. I rather spent my money somewhere else. And for the rich, they don’t care about paying the extra in after market if they really love the bag. So what target group the luxury house is aiming for?! Probably the “pretend to be rich” group. 😂
12:29 as someone who sells I don’t think that patterns are copyright? Same with recipes. Someone please share if I’m incorrect. (And even if they are, if one small thing is changed then it’s a ‘new’ pattern). Which would explain why they’re allowed to use the shape of the bag for any company like these ones selling these Wirkins or as you said, ASOS.
I don't think patterns are copyright. It would be ridiculous. It's like Ugg shoes. You can't say it's Ugg if it isn't but you can make the exact same shoe. They're everywhere. A shape is a shape, the end.
Please get your news or terms correct. It is a dupe not a fake. They never said they were actual Birkins. Plus you don’t have any legal knowledge to even ask this question.
I have only 1 Hermes bag which is vintage-not a Birkin. I bought it a long time ago (not in the greatest condition) and I took it for the spa treatment. I have bought a few Hermes items, but not anything that I had to wait on a list for. I personally think Hermes plays too many games with customers and I don't like it. I am sure a Walmart bag is not going to be that good of a quality leather, but at the same time Hermes' level of profit on these bags has to be ridiculous. I find it all rather funny. JMHO.
Surprised this escalated in the US. Fakes/Replicas been around for years. Canal street in NY was known in the 80s and 90s for these types of bags. I believe this is a new generation that have become aware. As luxury brands began to out price themselves over last 5 years people are looking for more affordable options. Reason why preloved, Coach and other contemporary designers have re-emerged in the fashion industry.
As a proud member of the 99%, I find Birkins hideous, boxy, shapeless, and strictly Valuable only due to the mental game Hermes has been playing with everyone for decades. I would never waste my money on the genuine, or the dupe, however, for those of us who want or desire these items, let’s not begrudge them. Sorry the value of the Birkins has now decreased … Actually not sorry.
I feel like this wouldn’t be such a common and huge problem if luxury houses wouldn’t raise up their prices by 100% or only sell to certain people. The luxury industry definitely isn’t the same as it was 10 years ago and people would rather buy a cheaper replica than a $2000 wallet sized bag.
Luxury is exclusivity and good marketing to justify it, nothing more these days. That Hermes doesn’t do marketing is not true, all those people talking about how they got those bags do a great job of marketing Hermes to the masses. I really hope that with the Dior scandal and everything happening lately that the hold those luxury brands have on society will crumble. And let’s be real, not many buys that bag because of the craftsmanship or quality, it’s the name and the exclusivity that sells it.
It’s very common in Asia. The bags here replicate the shape and details of the designer bag but they don’t have the actual designer name on it. I think it’s great because it gives everyone to have a chance to enjoy owning a “designer” bag because they really are overpriced. I think the “dupes” are fine as long as they don’t label “genuine leather” and put a designer label on it.
There were 2 versions, one leather and one not. This third-party seller has had all of their products marked sold out on the website and many buyers have received notification their order has been cancelled. I don’t think anyone at Walmart was paying attention to what was being sold, and now that they have, they are shutting it down in order to not make Hermes more angry.
Hi SS. I love this format of videos from you. The pic in pic/ reactions and commentary is so on point, esp in terms of luxury, even to the auto category. You are one of the very few that cater to that particular niche. I've always loved the chatty kinds of videos, especially when it comes from someone I trust. 🎉 Happy New years everyone! 🎉
I don't think Hermes is going to sue Walmart. They are probably having a good laugh. The people who own Birkin bags know what is real and what is not. Walmart is certainly not taking any customers from Hermes.
Me personally I have a dupe, and I love her. I stand with the consumers. We are tired of being pushed to the side. It’s one thing to not be able to afford it. I can get to the point to where I can afford it Someday. However, I should not have to wait in a line for something at the point now, that I can afford the bag. That doesn’t make it exclusive. That’s just nonsense. Hermes also has a crazy rule to where if you buy a bag from them, you are not allowed to sell it their whole system of how their products work just seems unethical.
I don't feel sorry for Hermes. I would never go out of my way defend a company like this. I read it cost $800 to make a Birkin and they are manipulating the public into thinking at minimum it is a $10,000 bag or more. After this entire Wirkin fiasco I have seen some of the classist remarks from people on social media it is making me do a 180 on who I watch on social media.
I think it is normal that some purchases don’t work even if you keep them for a long time. Sometimes trends work for you for a long time because it is your taste, and sometimes you get attracted to a trend and once the trend fades, the excitement is gone. A lot of people feel this way about the *eudupe* - I think I will always like the *eudupe* bag. This is normal, don’t regret it because you enjoyed the trend while it lasted. Trends make our wardrobe more interesting because for a while, we wear clothes that we probably wouldn’t wear if we weren’t obsessed with the trend
There are tonsss of Hermes replicas online. One specifically on IG from the UK that I get ads from here in the US. There’s no way they would win in court. I feel like the people who believe they have a suit aren’t very familiar with fashion, high end brands and copyright laws.
A while back, Walmart had dupes of Hermes Oran sandals in store. They were very similar in shape, but did not look like any sold by Hermes (rhinestones, etc). Discount department stores have dupes of everything.
The entire debate ignore the point of there having always been "homages" of the Birkin that did not carry the logo but had the same shape and construction method. This is nothing new except for it being available on Walmart's marketplace which exposed a lot more people to the fact that they exist than before. And let's be real for a second, none of the big houses are "luxury" in all aspects. They make some truly rare items if that is your definition of luxury; they also make some that are outrageously expensive, such as some of the LV or Hermes furniture pieces that retail for well into the six-figures Perceived scarcity, or MTO, as well as the MSRP are just mechanisms to trigger an intended image among customers. A run-of-the-mill Birkin has never been that hard to get unless they sniff you out as gullible enough to do the little dance. On the Porsche comparison, that's also a fairly new practice that is often circumvented with kickbacks. Luxury second-hand new car dealers can still source any Porsche you want within days, and their supply suggests that, again, those measures are more PR than practice. Some consumers need to stop with the pearl-clutching and external validation through material goods, all of these items are mass-produced after all.
I don’t understand the upset over this. If you walk into any fast fashion retailer that sells bags, there are dupes of luxury bags. You see dupes of The Row Margaux, dupes of Bottega Jodie, dupes of everything popular. This happens because you cannot trademark a clothing or bag design, it is considered too utilitarian. This happens with clothing as well. If it isn’t counterfeit with the brand logo, it’s legal. Of course Hermes can send letters to pressure Walmart to take them down and they might just because it’s easy for them to stop allowing the seller to sell.
In the US Hermes does have a patent on the design. But are they willing the put up the cost to fit one of the biggest corps in the US? Honestly doesn't make sense to, Walmart will have every trick to fight, delay and make this process very costly. Only to try to go to court & convince a juror that somehow Hermes has been reputationally or financially affected by a middle class or lower shopper amongst other narratives they will float.
It was 3rd party seller who used Walmart marketplace. This is like lawsuit against eBay because someone sold fake handbag there. I am pretty sure that Hermes will file lawsuit against the Walmart. They are going to have zero interest to take down some small reseller. It is still going to be interesting, because Amazon is full of dupes from top brands like Gucci or Chanel and there was never lawsuit against Amazon.
I love the style & look of the Birkin bag. I think it is stylish & classic. Bags are not made like that anymore. However the price of a Birkin is way out of my budget. I'd have to save a lifetime to buy one. And even then I doubt that I would. If I can get a dupe for around $100.00, and it has the overall look, you bet I'm going to buy it. I couldn't give a damn about what others think. I genuinely like the bag. I don't care what name/brand is or isn't on it. I honestly think the bag is a beautiful design. There are plenty of ugly designer bags that I wouldn't buy the dupes of. I think dupes are fine. They will never cause the original designer to go bust. There will always be rich suckers buying the designer stuff.
I personally don’t care about the ethics of whether it’s a dupe or fake. I’m just disappointed that there’s going to be more waste and consumption encouraged by this bag! At the very least for the Hermes version, the artisans are being paid a fair wage, good quality leather is used so the bag can last, and it’s so exclusive that most of the owners are going to love and treasure the bag for a long time. For the Walmart version, it’s made of PVC leather and probably made in conditions where someone is exploited. let’s face it. Most of the people who purchase this is going to move on to other bags after a while. Or even if they use it constantly, it’s going to break down after a handful of years. I think it’s a sad reflection of our global society and how majority of us aren’t going to stop mindlessly consuming and encouraging this cycle
I don't think it was a calculated side eye from Walmart to Hermes at all. Honestly, I don't think Walmart is paying that much attention- they just platformed something that would sell. What I do think is that the conversations within the zeitgeist about the Wirkin, the perceived value of top tier luxury goods and the ethics of the arguably predatory retail practices of Hermes are all indicative of a much larger cultural discourse that we have been teetering on the edge of for years now. It feeds into much bigger questions about classism, access, equity, consumerism...if you look at this conversation against the backdrop of the Luigi of it all, I think we are poised for some major culture clashes and reckonings, at least here in the US.
It could also be a secret cooperation between the two companies. A clever move to potentially attract new customer groups. Or to test the popularity of certain colors in advance.
In the state that the world is in right now with poverty and homelessness being rampant, you and everyone else have the nerve to debate about this overrated Hermes bag that is actually not all that good looking in the first place. You wealthy people who allow Hermes to treat you like that just to buy this ugly bag are just plain silly. Obsession with designer labels is the biggest scam on earth especially since most of these products are made with slave labor mostly using children. Your priorities are in the wrong order. God help us.
I would never waste my money on a Burkin. If I had enough money for an overpriced bag or Porsche I’d rather spend the money on my parents having a comfortable retirement. Seriously I’m speechless over this pointless debate
The materials used are top notch. The leather feels soft and luxurious, exactly like the real thing. The stitching is impeccable, with no loose or uneven lines. The hardware (including the iconic CC twist lock clasp) is durable, well made, and adds to the overall elegance of the bag *eudupe* . I thought everyone who owned an LV monogram bag knew that it was obviously coated canvas? When people spend a fortune on an expensive bag, they might as well buy a replica
Hermes is absolutely ridiculous. I feel luxury means high quality and I do not see it with their handbags. People become excited after buying ashtrays, scarves, trays until the sales person finally informs them they may now purchase a Birkin. The Walmart brand is real leather. I can’t really tell the difference. The straps are a bit longer than the real Birkin. They look the same inside. No logo on the bag. I think the lock and key are different. Would someone mistake it for a real one? I think so until looking at the details. I feel the Birkin is NOT worth it. It’s a true waste of money. You might as well publicly burn your money in the face of those struggling. I would be ashamed carrying something like this. Customers could put people through college or pay off someone’s house help somebody get off the street, et cetera. But instead they spend $75,000 on an ugly purse that really isn’t any better than a purse you can get at Walmart. Those you were calling her mad and saying all something has to be done about this I assume that’s all they are . Their whole personality and life revolves around a bag an ugly bag at that. It says A LOT about the type of person complaining. Disgusting
Totally agree with what you said about Hermes being so rare but you see them everywhere, every luxury reseller has so many variations of Hermes bags available to buy. It’s just ridiculous.
Ok.. so im at 16:50 and you mention the heart shape chanel.. as im looking up a leather heart shaped bag.. do i want the chanel, nope. Not after the whole deal with it. I've never been "i've gotta buy a brand" always been, what i like i like so i'll get that.. It sucks it was gate-keeped like it was but it's just not worth the fuss in the end.
Hermes has become a "cult" at this point. Why would you have the "privilege" to purchase a US$30,000.00 bag? That sounds ridiculous and I blame social media. If Hermes wants to dupe people into spending thousands for a basic overrated leather bag so be it. Go bananas. Dupes are everywhere. Lots of retailers sell "dupes" like this Walmart bag. From what I understand, this is a genuine leather bag. It screams "dupe" not "counterfeit". If it was counterfeit, then it would be a problem. High end "luxury" has lost its flair. This is a non-issue.
Well put. First world problem.
Exactly. It's a dupe, not a fake. Hermes' quality is top-notch, but their whole buying experience is a scam: you can't order a Birkin; you have to cultivate a relationship with a sales person and have to buy several items before you can get on a Birkin waitlist, etc. Several former Hermes employees have videos on UA-cam talking about the scam. My favorite is the guy who used a loaf of Wonder Bread for the Birkin.
Rather around 10 grand.
I really don’t care as long as someone isn’t being cheated by someone who sells the genuine item and it really is a fake. The Birkin has never really appealed to me so I think people should buy what they like as long as they know what they are buying.
Fake, dupe. . Word salad. Plan and simple this is copy write infringements
Watching this unfold is entertaining
On another note...this whole thing is starting to feel like a physop in marketing.
There have been so many dupes and fakes of Hermes bags forever I’m shocked that this blew up. Just because from Walmart? They are sold everywhere.
handbag crave ones are nicer tbh
Because Walmart is HUGE and accessible to almost everyone (in the US anyway)
I dont understand this either. Everyone copies off of each other. Amazon is loaded with designer dupes from china right?
@@annakhandwala3773 maybe cos this one looks so nice AND is so cheap?
I have no idea- just guessing
That's because dupes are sold illegally off streets, secretly by sellers, etc. Whereas Wal-Mart is trying to pass their wirkins as legal dupes, replicas, copycat to hermes birkins. which is a copyright lawsuit.
I love Reddit. “It’s a wirkin for the wirking class….. since it’s been removed from the shelf it’s more rare than the Burkin.” Lol
It literally is rarer than a Birkin at this point!😂xx
Yes, only for Walmart shoppers.
I’m policing the Walmart website like I’m waiting for my tax returns 😂😂😂
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Lol. How ironic. 🙂👍
I have to chime in on this topic. I am a leather crafter that started making handbags after hearing how expensive these luxury brands are selling there products for. I can tell you right now, I can make that birken bag with top quality leather and craftsmanship. There are already leather crafters that make these bags and sell them. I have inspected luxury brands $2500 bags that look mass produced and are complete garbage leather. Buyer beware, a luxury label does not mean you bought a luxury bag.
Totally agree. The only thing missing is where to buy your bags 😉 Would love to buy a handcrafted bag. Please let me know ❤
@daniquevisser6117 same!!
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Me too! ❤
I like your concept of buying luxury bags. It is not so common online these days. Thank you for reminding us that the best luxury is the one we use! For example, the bags you buy on *regbags* are so good and so cheap, it is hard to tell if they are real or fake, the point is they are still very cheap and of great quality.
It’s not from Walmart it’s a third party seller. Their website is a marketplace.
I think Walmart did not look closely enough into the specifics of the cheap handbag line they picked up.
@@ambds1975 Think Etsy or Amazon when talking about Walmart marketplace, not Walmart store.
There is the Wirkin and then there are third parties who sell preloved luxury goods on Walmart’s platform .
They had some in store first, it went viral when a women was in Walmart and found a yellow wirkin lol, after that people tried to get it on Walmart online
It's from China.
Zara copies high end fashion so I'm wondering why it's different with bags? Clothing stores copy each other all the time so why do we look at bags any different?
The Hermes bag has been duped for years. This is cracking me up. Why would Hermes decide to sue Walmart, and not the hundreds of other sellers who dupe Hermes, LV, Gucci, Chanel, etc…
I agree with you. They say Jane Birkin didn't care if the style was copied, the reason it was so costly was the funds were to be donated to helping the animals. And to add for yearssss duplication has been happening, this is a distraction for something else as usual. 🕊🕊
Because of the hype on social media, I'm guessing. No one's talking about Amazon dupes but they're talking about the Wirkin.
@@cindirella2328That's ironic considering the bag is made from a baby animal.
Easier target
For me, the Dior scandal has tarnished the luxury brands. It has put me off buying any new bags. I understand paying for quality but potentially paying thousands for a bag that only costs a few hundred dollars or less to make is it really worth paying that much more for the name? Hats off to Walmart 😂😂😂😂
For real! No better way to feel like a giant sucker than to buy these ridiculously priced "average quality" bags. No thanks.
It is a dupe, not a fake, because it is not stamped with the Hermes logo. If Hermes was going to take legal action, they would have sent a cease and desist letter immediately and they have not (as far as I can see on the almighty internet). Also, there are lots of brands that sell dupes online, and have been, for years with no issues. Hermes has been silent, in my opinion, for the following reasons: even with their brand value what it is, I don't think they want to tangle with Wal-Mart's lawyers; second, they are already in a high profile litigation about their selling practices, so them being seen as not wanting a certain demographic...Wal-Mart customers...to not have access to an item that simply looks like the Birkin, is not good for their case of limiting access. I don't have one of these bags, but all the videos I have seen have said they are real leather. In the 90s and prior, you could walk into Hermes and buy a bag off the shelf or put down a 50% deposit and wait for it to be made if you wanted a specific color or leather. So, what changed? Maybe it was the increase of the "nuveaux riche" and social media money over the last few decades? There are so many wealthy people with massive collections of these bags, so how could they be rare? Also, if you have seen the inside of Fashionphile, the RealReal, and all the other big reseller's vaults, they each have thousands of these bags in every color of the rainbow. Yes, there are rare bags (Himalayan and diamond encrusted), but Hermes is just another corporation that seems to have been able to take advantage of certain elements of the human psyche.
I love all of your points and thoughts on this my friend! Since posting this video, I’ve seen some comments under an IG post on it that Hermes have (apparently) issued a cease and desist. I wonder if this is true, we shall see I guess. Hugs xx
@@SophieShohetOfficialDacob showed that the Patent for the Birkin in the US. If true they probably did send a Ceases and Desist. Walmart will definitely be careful since they tangled with LV before
They are nice dupes & I wish they were still available. I'd buy several.
They have sent a cease and desist letter. You're almighty internet must not be the same as mine. Also, no need to split hairs with terms "fake/dupe". We are all on the same page.
@4lb280 can you copy the link and post it? I believe you. Again, so many dupes on the market that are being sold for more and online with no issues, so it must just be that it is Walmart and they don't like that.
I hope that the “ real thing “ becomes devalued , and people start to gravitate to well made , high quality products without the branding
"Luxury" means something different than it used to. People now say "luxury" to mean: only available to a select people- a label, so it's a flag to those who care about that kind of thing. I used to understand it as something made exceeding mass produced QUALITY. And people used to pay for that. But now people will pay large amounts for crap that has little longevity just to have a label. Sad downturn, just like everything else in society.
Facts. Values changed and superficiality has grown over what really matters: quality.
SUCH good points, and quality is the biggie I think. It seems to be lacking these days!!xx
Quality = Luxury
well put
This comment.
3 years ago I sold my LV Gucci and YSL bags not because I didn’t like them but because they didn’t feel anymore special than my Coach Or Rebecca Minkoff bags. I don’t think I’ll ever spend over $500 on a bag again.
Coach’s quality is better than some of those high end bags anyways. I’m sure there’s more brands too just need to discover them.
Times are changing. Fake Birkin hell yes. People are proud to wear used clothing and dupes. Paying for the luxury one makes you a dope!
Why? Worth/Value is in the eye of the beholder. I for one, would never wear a fake anything. I would rather have nothing than be a poser.
I wish - except in Europe and some other places you can go to jail for wearing fakes or dupes.
Agreed, completely. To me $25,000 upwards is a ridiculous price to pay for a bag. That is a down payment on a house. Or a long saved for, once in a lifetime holiday.
@@4lb280I don't think it's about being a poser at all. For instance I love the style & look of the Birkin bag. I think it is stylish & classic. Bags are not made like that anymore. However the price of a Birkin is way out of my budget. I'd have to save a lifetime to buy one. And even then I doubt that I would. If I can get a dupe for around $100.00, and it has the overall look, you bet I'm going to buy it. I couldn't give a damn about what others think. I genuinely like the bag. I don't care what name/brand is or isn't on it. I honestly think the bag is a beautiful design. There are plenty of ugly designer bags that I wouldn't buy the dupes of.
@@4lb280nobody cares about what you think😂😂😂
Hermes is the best €400 bag you can buy for €10k
😂Good one!
❤ love this
If I was the buyer of Hermès bags, my outrage would basically be my screaming ego because the "visual wealth" I like to show by buying Birkin bags is now severely ridiculed by Wirkin accessible to almost everyone. So those who're outraged (understandably?) are basically angry that somebody dared to make their "exclusive club" utterly relative and basically non-existent. This whole thing looks almost like some Balenciaga-ish social experiment and it shows that today something being considered "luxury" is a social construct built by our ego. 🤷🏼♂️
Are those with authentic Hermes bags screaming? I'm not sure. But the Wirkin is not a Birkin. Not even close.
I don’t know what the big deal is. Retailers copy from each other all the time.
A great point!!xx
IMO Hermes really doesn't care about the Wirkin
They aren’t threatened, but they do care. They must have sent them a cease and desist because before this video was even put up, all outstanding order were cancelled. The Wirkin is already dead.
That part
I have seen bags that look like birkin dupes in a local little shops too. They all get them imported from China. They also had Chanel dupes too. This is nothing new.
Right, like fakes & dupes have been around for ages. Do we really think the people carrying a very obvious wirkin are running in the same social circles as those carrying (or with closer knowledge of) the Birkin? Their legal team will still send a cease and desist because that’s what they get paid for. But it’s not hurting the brand like some people are claiming 😂
@@s_fashionlovernobody cares if you think your overpriced junk bag sown by a lonely underpaid employee is superior. I’m buying the dupe and this will be my first time getting one.😂
The frustration about Walmart’s ‘Wirkin’ makes me think about how much society ties worth to material possessions. Owning a Birkin often comes with layers of stress-security, insurance, and even the need to flaunt it as a status symbol. On the other hand, someone with a Wirkin can enjoy the simple pleasure of having a stylish bag without the baggage (pun intended).
At the end of the day, the value of a person shouldn't hinge on the bag they carry but on the kindness they show. There’s room in the world for both the Birkin and the Wirkin, and we should celebrate people’s choices without judgment. After all, life’s too short to measure happiness by price tags or history-let’s just cheer each other on, regardless of what bag we’re holding.
The thing I think most people miss is that Walmart website is identical to Amazon. Most of the listings are from 3rd party sellers from China. Anyone can sign up and sell. That bag was on the site a whole year.
Nope. Hermes would have to reasonable argue that there is a very good chance a buyer would easily mistake the Walmart one for the Hermes. I mean, that would have to be the argument that they are virtually indistinguishable in the marketplace. If that were TRUE, then that means Hermes sells Walmart level goods that nobody could tell the difference immediately. What a sad argument that would be.
The idea of the Hermes behemoth and their lawyers, and the Walmart behemoth and *their* lawyers, having a go at each other is just… like Godzilla vs Kong or something. Colossal kaiju tearing into each other while we mere mortals take cover and eat popcorn.
Walmart's significantly larger.
@@Himmiefan Sure, but compared to the legal clout of us mere mortals, they both might as well be in their own universe.
Times are changing the economy is tanking and I’m in the middle of rural country and thousands of miles from any high end brand … I would not buy an Hermes’ or even the Workin … but the bag was made for Jane Birkin for the working ladies … one influencer said “ everyone deserves to have something pretty no matter their financial abilities “ … I’m not here or there it’s whatever makes a person happy … great video
I purchased a dupe Kelly-style bag from Victoria Hyde London. The brand name is clearly displayed on the bottom of the bag. The main reason I bought it was because it is not made from leather so no animals were harmed. As a vegan that was important to me.
There is a difference between dupe and fake. Walmart is not copying the name or trademark and claiming this is Hermes. Designers copy each other all the time - Coach copies Prada, APC copies Celine, and the list goes on and on. Then should that be seen as fakes too?
This is it!! I can’t work out if it’s a dupe or a fake! I feel like it’s a fake because despite the fact they haven’t put a logo, they have basically ripped off the Birkin 🤔 but I get what you’re saying too!!xx
@@SophieShohetOfficial It's a dupe. Fake has trademark logos and branding. Dupe is similar design and nobody can patent a fairly average work or laptop bag. Different categories of IP.
Othe brands put a twist on their dupes, just enough to make it their own. Like the Coach Tabby inspired by the Chanel Flap, the Gucci Marmont etc. They are flaps but they are different. YSL have Birkin dupes, Neverfull have dupes all across the board but they don't exactly look like LVs Neverfull. If Walmart is confident in their product that it's just a dupe and wouldn't cause any legal repercussions they will not pull it out of their website esp that it went viral? It could mean more business right? but why pull it out?
You don't need to have the logo. You can sue for pattern infringement if they take bags are using the Birkin pattern.
Exactly, Hermes just patented their Birkin design in the USA @@larynOneka8080
Not a Walmart fan but really , it great that they did this. I think it is insane how the sale of the actually luxury bag out of reach for the trades-worker who made the luxury item. It 18:49 is not worth the price or the process involved in getting the Hermes bag. Gives normal people a chance of getting a quality bag for a reachable price. The prices on luxury items is insane. The tradespeople who make the goods can’t afford the goods and yet the luxury name does not pay the tradespeople for their workmanship fairly either. The profit over the cost of the luxury item is insane!
There have been 100’s of Hermes inspired bags for many years , this is not a scandal.
Tbh, even if Walmart gets sued, they can easily afford it. It’s one of the largest and wealthiest companies in the world and it’s a fun marketing bit (not that Walmart needs even more marketing in the US).
I agree, which is why I also doubt they'll go after Walmart since that'd be a financial and legal nightmare to attack a giant like Walmart and their legal teams (and yes I said TEAMS, they probably have multiple lol). 😅
Yup. Walmart is THE largest retailer in the world.
Walmart really needs to get sued for selling that horrible Marketside pizza. Yuck!
I think it is a good move by Walmart to host this product on their website. The fact that it is sold out is not because people want to carry a fake Birkin. It is to make a statement to Birkin and to people who have an inflated ego about being offered a Birkin that a bag doesn’t and shouldn’t determine who we are. Please don’t get me wrong. I would like to purchase a Birkin too and I have saved my heard earned salary but I refuse to be ill treated or discriminated at an Hermes’ store. Not only does one have to build a shopping history which is bad, I know that I will be discriminated at the store based on the color of my skin. I dread walking into a luxury store because I do not want people to judge me for no reason based on what I am wearing or how I look. I haven’t killed anyone, raped anyone, sexually molested anyone. I am a good person with good values and yet have to bear the judgements at a retail store despite having money to buy.
As long as they’re not pretending to be actual Hermès, I haven’t got a problem with it, I think it’s hilarious. I doubt very many people care about being blacklisted by Hermès.
At the end of the day, If it's not a Birkin, it's just a bag! Get a Birkin, and you’ll never settle for anything less
I agree with you. Hermes is the real deal, and I'm definitely planning to own my first one by month end! Unrelated but let’s say you bought one for say 30k, how much could you sell it for say in two years if you needed the cash? Do they appreciate in value over time, or do they lose worth?
Hmm. If this is one of your fears/reasons for buying one, you might want to reconsider and put your money into stocks or another solid investment instead. With the right F.A or by choosing the right things to put your money into, you could grow your wealth to the point where you could afford a "better" birkin while ensuring your financial security in same 2 years. I say this from experience, having been in your shoes before. Goodluck
nice... this makes a lot of sense... been considering going into this stock thing for some time now. heard its a nice way to make money bts... how can I get a nice f.a? and how expensive are they?...
Well, you should start by looking out for those from credible firms and good track records. Also, make sure the person is licensed. Personally, I use Michael, Allen Eckrich. He's good and you could also look him up too. And they're usually way cheaper than you would expect.
It's a small world! I recently met him at a conference my office organized just a few weeks ago. What are the odds I'd be scrolling through an unusual post for me and come across this thread? Really small world!
This bag is from third party Chinese’s sellers. This is not a Walmart branded bag. Walmart’s website is a marketplace like Amazon. There are/were multiple sellers of the bag so the quality may vary.
I could be wrong, but I think the packaging looks like that because it's coming from China. Walmart basically 'hosted' the listing, but other than that, they have nothing to do with the production or quality or anything else. Like on Amazon, how you can get stuff from 3rd party sellers, so it doesn't come in an Amazon box. I THINK that's the idea here with the Wirkin, but I'm not 100% certain.
Yes I totally agree, it looks like that’s the case!!xx
You are correct.
If I saw a nurse, still in scrubs, shopping for groceries after their shift, carrying their Wirkin, I would tell them how much I love their bag. Same for anyone carrying a Wirkin or Birkin. I think this style of bag is very sharp and I like it. I will appreciate their sense of style and let them know. 😊
Hermes does marketing. Just because you don’t see it as an ad in a magazine, doesn’t meant they don’t have a comprehensive strategy for marketing.
I think those Wirkins were sold by different vendors through the Walmart website (hence the different packaging). Walmart is just like Amazon, anyone can sell through their platform. I think that the green Wirkin probably was real leather.
So when they first came out in the news here, I looked at the links. The initial bags sold weren’t fakes, they weren’t branded and were leather. When those sold out, fake leather ones were listed.
okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the *amzrepe* book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
Walmart has the Dior book tote dupe for $27.99 right now. They have different colors too.
Look the 5th ave women are carrying the good dupes as well. It's been on reddit post for quite some time.
I don't think any "company" should be able to block reselling. If they want to keep their exclusivity then they can't sell items just lease them for long periods. To me that's what it sounds like they are wanting to do. But again company are seeking rights that they don't want people to have. It's like buying electronic versions of things like books and music because when their licencing is up they pull it back from you even though you "bought" it. Realistically anyone could make a fake of a handbag if they have the time do to the availability of images of items online and the ability to purchase leathers online. Would it take awhile yes but it can be done if you really wanted it.
@@dyingangel1907 That’s why I use the Calibre program to de-DRM my ebooks! I bought it. It’s mine. No, if there’s a glitch in the system or my account is suspended or whatever, I do not think I should lose what I fairly paid for.
I’ve never clicked so fast! I’ve been eagerly waiting for you to post a video on this topic. Before I had children, I worked as a lawyer specializing in trademark law, so this really intrigues me.
While the Wirkin doesn’t feature any trademarked logo, its creators-or even Walmart-could potentially face challenges under the trade dress category of trademark law. Trade dress refers to the design or packaging of a product when that design serves as a symbol identifying the product's source. Ultimately, the decision to take legal action against them lies with Hermès. Such a decision would depend on the brand’s evaluation of the potential impact on its reputation and the strength of the case under trademark law. That said, if you ask me, I’m fairly certain Hermès' legal team is already working on it.
I love that you’ve shared your knowledge! Thank you so much for doing so 🙏🩷 I agree and it’ll be interesting to see where this goes… Hugs xx
Since you've got an expert opinion. I'm curious about a few things.
Why would they only go after Walmart now?
Wouldn't it diminish their case when it's revealed that they chose to ignore the same items on Amazon or other marketplace sellers?
Also, Walmart is selling this from their marketplace, not their own line of fashion that they license and distribute. So how can they go after them as a marketplace?
I've seen far worse examples on Etsy, which is another marketplace, where they sold pictures of "cheese pizza" which were actually chiId expIoitation images instead. But Etsy doesn't get in trouble for that. The seller listing it in their marketplace does (and should, clearly!). How is this different from that example?
Darüber mache ich mir keine gedanken
A court case would be futile, it's not an original enough style, similar styles have been sold through other companies for awhile now.
What if Hermes decides they'll make a luxury version of the Walmart plastic bag in retaliation? That would be epic.
Walmart's online website is also essentially a HOST site that sells, ofcourse everything walmart stores has but ALSO it allows Third Party Sellers to sell on their website!! it's a Chinese seller that sells these Wirkins. but walmart online has anything from Rolex's to Private Yachts and Luxury everything! (and chinese counterfit/dupes)
Exactly. I think people forget it’s basically its own version of Amazon now in many ways.
I agree.
These brands all copy/steal from each other. *Cough* Hermes, Boldie, meet the Alma. Many brands have their version of the Speedy. The Coach Cassie came before the LV Pochette Metis.
Hi Sophie, i only heard about the Walmart Birkin 4 days ago. I have been checking their website continually since then, trying ti get one,any size, any color. They are sold out. I wanted one just for a laugh. I would never in a million years spend the money for a real Birkin, to me that is just a waste of money. But from Walmart, yeah! It’s really funny to me.
Let's be honest, pretty much every high street brand sells dupes/fakes, some are more obvious than others. It's up to us, customers, what we chose.
That packaging is truly Walmart packaging.
I'm a retired Interior Designer. From what I remember about patent of an original design is that once you've tweaked the design a bit you can defend your design in court and actually win! If Hermes patented their bags but this immitation added another design element like in this case an extra strap then it's not copying Hermes completely. Now Hermes can just take this to court and drag this case for a long time, Walmart in the mean time cannot sell the bag in question until the court would favor production of the Wirkin. 😊
They are not claiming to be Hermes bags, so.Copies have always existed. I think the luxury is starting to looses is ‘interest’to a lot of people.
In America I've seen so many bags that look like Hermes if they go after Walmart then they should be going after the hundreds of others who do this exact design
I love this, it’s so fun to see people getting something similar (the look for less)to what they may never be able to in their life time . If I were Hermes I would be rolling my eyes but I would ignore it because I think it would be classless of them to be bothered by copycats. This will most likely die down and people will always aspire for the real thing. But the silver lining to all of this is now you’re real Birkin can stay home away from thieves and you can wear your 80$ Birkin everywhere and feel safe 🤣.
I believe if you pay for something, it shouldn't be anyone's business what you do with it.
But doesn’t it already become others’ business when it’s put up for sale again, it’s just by a supposed private consumer instead of the retailer… And I am really not a fan of those resellers that buy up ALL of a product first (because they have an ‘in’, more disposable income, use bots, etc.) and then jacking up the price 2 + times the original. See this a lot with event tickets, sneakers (Jordan’s, etc), and now even at stores like Marshall’s/TJX they’re shopping specifically for viral items & buying ALL of that already limited inventory at each & every store they can…. Basically they make the item near impossible to get other than from a reseller (when it wouldn’t necessarily be otherwise). I get making money however u best can, but seems like it just costs the fellow consumer more money, and in the end everyone pays more when the retailer starts raising prices because they have seen that their items will actually sell for more… personally I try to completely avoid buying items thru online resellers as to not ‘support’ it (or get ripped off lol). And obviously different types of reselling has been around forever in different formats (pawn shops, flea markets, general stores, etc.), but idk, maybe we can just go back to garage/yard sales where u would get lucky every once in a while & find a luxury/rare item for a fair negotiated price 😂
The problem w/Hermes in the USA is that unless you are deemed “special” by Hermes on first sight, you are required to spend several thousands in useless stuff before being invited to purchase a Birkin or Kelly. It’s different in Europe where you can make a wishlist without much or any prespend. But, in the US prespend is basically required. So, there’s no love lost amongst many people in the US and so dupes will be an issue here so long as Hermes ices out American consumers who would like to purchase their quota bags.
I love many of the Hermes products, but the run around having to reach a certain quota to get certain bags is just bs; it's tiring, frustrating/annoying! If anyone has $10k, 20k, $50k, etc to spend just sell her/him the bag she/he wants.
IMO luxury is NOT having to compete or get lucky to get a specific item. That's some sort of weird recreation of a poverty scarcity mindset but for the rich. Luxury is being able to buy a fine item because you have the money. If somebody says "no, having the money actually isn't good enough," that's the opposite of luxury to me. "Limited," does not necessarily mean "luxury." Having to wait for something to be custom made is fine. But having to compete to get it? Why?
I'm also in the category of not caring about the wirkin. Fakes and dupes have existed forever and will continue to exist. If that bothers people carrying designer bags, why? Only buy it if you like it enough to not care if someone else has it. If you're buying it solely for the exclusivity, you're always at risk if a fake or dupe becomes popular.
@@eaglezero78 Luxury is beautiful design, and top quality materials, and no corners cut. To me, it has nothing whatsoever to do with scarcity. And especially not fake, manufactured scarcity.
Well said. I am turn-off the idea begging the luxury house to take my money. Wait for them to offer me a bag?! No way. I rather spent my money somewhere else. And for the rich, they don’t care about paying the extra in after market if they really love the bag. So what target group the luxury house is aiming for?! Probably the “pretend to be rich” group. 😂
12:29 as someone who sells I don’t think that patterns are copyright? Same with recipes. Someone please share if I’m incorrect. (And even if they are, if one small thing is changed then it’s a ‘new’ pattern). Which would explain why they’re allowed to use the shape of the bag for any company like these ones selling these Wirkins or as you said, ASOS.
I don't think patterns are copyright. It would be ridiculous. It's like Ugg shoes. You can't say it's Ugg if it isn't but you can make the exact same shoe. They're everywhere. A shape is a shape, the end.
If Hermes ever did anything about it, it would be a huge mistake. Mostly because it would tell the world that Hermes is threatened by Walmart.
Please get your news or terms correct. It is a dupe not a fake. They never said they were actual Birkins. Plus you don’t have any legal knowledge to even ask this question.
Fascinating!! Can’t wait to see the Hermes’ response!!💕💕💕💕✨
I don’t think we’ll ever see an official response.
I have only 1 Hermes bag which is vintage-not a Birkin. I bought it a long time ago (not in the greatest condition) and I took it for the spa treatment. I have bought a few Hermes items, but not anything that I had to wait on a list for. I personally think Hermes plays too many games with customers and I don't like it. I am sure a Walmart bag is not going to be that good of a quality leather, but at the same time Hermes' level of profit on these bags has to be ridiculous. I find it all rather funny. JMHO.
*xbagy* really knows how to highlight the best parts of each bag. Your videos are so helpful!
Surprised this escalated in the US. Fakes/Replicas been around for years. Canal street in NY was known in the 80s and 90s for these types of bags. I believe this is a new generation that have become aware. As luxury brands began to out price themselves over last 5 years people are looking for more affordable options. Reason why preloved, Coach and other contemporary designers have
re-emerged in the fashion industry.
As a proud member of the 99%, I find Birkins hideous, boxy, shapeless, and strictly Valuable only due to the mental game Hermes has been playing with everyone for decades. I would never waste my money on the genuine, or the dupe, however, for those of us who want or desire these items, let’s not begrudge them. Sorry the value of the Birkins has now decreased … Actually not sorry.
I am waiting for the time when the cheapest dupe is now a coveted collectible.
@@ktgellis9688 Too true!!xx
Sophie your Fendi shirt is one my favorite pieces that you have purchased. I love the colors. 😍
I feel like this wouldn’t be such a common and huge problem if luxury houses wouldn’t raise up their prices by 100% or only sell to certain people. The luxury industry definitely isn’t the same as it was 10 years ago and people would rather buy a cheaper replica than a $2000 wallet sized bag.
Luxury is exclusivity and good marketing to justify it, nothing more these days. That Hermes doesn’t do marketing is not true, all those people talking about how they got those bags do a great job of marketing Hermes to the masses.
I really hope that with the Dior scandal and everything happening lately that the hold those luxury brands have on society will crumble.
And let’s be real, not many buys that bag because of the craftsmanship or quality, it’s the name and the exclusivity that sells it.
I think this reflects the economy and the ethics of the general public. Walmart has read the ethos well.
It’s very common in Asia. The bags here replicate the shape and details of the designer bag but they don’t have the actual designer name on it. I think it’s great because it gives everyone to have a chance to enjoy owning a “designer” bag because they really are overpriced. I think the “dupes” are fine as long as they don’t label “genuine leather” and put a designer label on it.
So common. $10 is good. $30 is best. $70 top notch.
There were 2 versions, one leather and one not. This third-party seller has had all of their products marked sold out on the website and many buyers have received notification their order has been cancelled. I don’t think anyone at Walmart was paying attention to what was being sold, and now that they have, they are shutting it down in order to not make Hermes more angry.
14:00 Are those contacts considered legal?
Cause that sounds so sketchy....
They really do and they’re so underhand!!xx
Hi SS. I love this format of videos from you. The pic in pic/ reactions and commentary is so on point, esp in terms of luxury, even to the auto category. You are one of the very few that cater to that particular niche. I've always loved the chatty kinds of videos, especially when it comes from someone I trust.
🎉 Happy New years everyone! 🎉
Stop calling this a fake. It's not a fake or a counterfeit. Get your terminology right. It's a knock off.
The thumbnail is hilarious to me "It's lawsuit time!"
I don't think Hermes is going to sue Walmart. They are probably having a good laugh. The people who own Birkin bags know what is real and what is not. Walmart is certainly not taking any customers from Hermes.
Me personally I have a dupe, and I love her. I stand with the consumers. We are tired of being pushed to the side. It’s one thing to not be able to afford it. I can get to the point to where I can afford it Someday. However, I should not have to wait in a line for something at the point now, that I can afford the bag. That doesn’t make it exclusive. That’s just nonsense. Hermes also has a crazy rule to where if you buy a bag from them, you are not allowed to sell it their whole system of how their products work just seems unethical.
This may sound like an odd question, but does anyone know the name of the label/company who “designed” the Wirkin?
Hermes should take this as the huge compliment it is and be the classier, and snobbier, company it is.
I don't feel sorry for Hermes. I would never go out of my way defend a company like this. I read it cost $800 to make a Birkin and they are manipulating the public into thinking at minimum it is a $10,000 bag or more. After this entire Wirkin fiasco I have seen some of the classist remarks from people on social media it is making me do a 180 on who I watch on social media.
It's a dupe.
I think it is normal that some purchases don’t work even if you keep them for a long time. Sometimes trends work for you for a long time because it is your taste, and sometimes you get attracted to a trend and once the trend fades, the excitement is gone. A lot of people feel this way about the *eudupe* - I think I will always like the *eudupe* bag. This is normal, don’t regret it because you enjoyed the trend while it lasted. Trends make our wardrobe more interesting because for a while, we wear clothes that we probably wouldn’t wear if we weren’t obsessed with the trend
There are tonsss of Hermes replicas online. One specifically on IG from the UK that I get ads from here in the US. There’s no way they would win in court. I feel like the people who believe they have a suit aren’t very familiar with fashion, high end brands and copyright laws.
A while back, Walmart had dupes of Hermes Oran sandals in store. They were very similar in shape, but did not look like any sold by Hermes (rhinestones, etc). Discount department stores have dupes of everything.
The entire debate ignore the point of there having always been "homages" of the Birkin that did not carry the logo but had the same shape and construction method. This is nothing new except for it being available on Walmart's marketplace which exposed a lot more people to the fact that they exist than before.
And let's be real for a second, none of the big houses are "luxury" in all aspects. They make some truly rare items if that is your definition of luxury; they also make some that are outrageously expensive, such as some of the LV or Hermes furniture pieces that retail for well into the six-figures
Perceived scarcity, or MTO, as well as the MSRP are just mechanisms to trigger an intended image among customers. A run-of-the-mill Birkin has never been that hard to get unless they sniff you out as gullible enough to do the little dance.
On the Porsche comparison, that's also a fairly new practice that is often circumvented with kickbacks. Luxury second-hand new car dealers can still source any Porsche you want within days, and their supply suggests that, again, those measures are more PR than practice.
Some consumers need to stop with the pearl-clutching and external validation through material goods, all of these items are mass-produced after all.
I don’t understand the upset over this. If you walk into any fast fashion retailer that sells bags, there are dupes of luxury bags. You see dupes of The Row Margaux, dupes of Bottega Jodie, dupes of everything popular. This happens because you cannot trademark a clothing or bag design, it is considered too utilitarian. This happens with clothing as well. If it isn’t counterfeit with the brand logo, it’s legal. Of course Hermes can send letters to pressure Walmart to take them down and they might just because it’s easy for them to stop allowing the seller to sell.
You made this interesting, even though I don't own a Hermes bag, and don't have a Wirkin bag.
In the US Hermes does have a patent on the design. But are they willing the put up the cost to fit one of the biggest corps in the US? Honestly doesn't make sense to, Walmart will have every trick to fight, delay and make this process very costly. Only to try to go to court & convince a juror that somehow Hermes has been reputationally or financially affected by a middle class or lower shopper amongst other narratives they will float.
It was 3rd party seller who used Walmart marketplace. This is like lawsuit against eBay because someone sold fake handbag there. I am pretty sure that Hermes will file lawsuit against the Walmart. They are going to have zero interest to take down some small reseller. It is still going to be interesting, because Amazon is full of dupes from top brands like Gucci or Chanel and there was never lawsuit against Amazon.
I love the style & look of the Birkin bag. I think it is stylish & classic. Bags are not made like that anymore. However the price of a Birkin is way out of my budget. I'd have to save a lifetime to buy one. And even then I doubt that I would. If I can get a dupe for around $100.00, and it has the overall look, you bet I'm going to buy it. I couldn't give a damn about what others think. I genuinely like the bag. I don't care what name/brand is or isn't on it. I honestly think the bag is a beautiful design. There are plenty of ugly designer bags that I wouldn't buy the dupes of. I think dupes are fine. They will never cause the original designer to go bust. There will always be rich suckers buying the designer stuff.
I personally don’t care about the ethics of whether it’s a dupe or fake. I’m just disappointed that there’s going to be more waste and consumption encouraged by this bag! At the very least for the Hermes version, the artisans are being paid a fair wage, good quality leather is used so the bag can last, and it’s so exclusive that most of the owners are going to love and treasure the bag for a long time. For the Walmart version, it’s made of PVC leather and probably made in conditions where someone is exploited. let’s face it. Most of the people who purchase this is going to move on to other bags after a while. Or even if they use it constantly, it’s going to break down after a handful of years. I think it’s a sad reflection of our global society and how majority of us aren’t going to stop mindlessly consuming and encouraging this cycle
I don't think it was a calculated side eye from Walmart to Hermes at all. Honestly, I don't think Walmart is paying that much attention- they just platformed something that would sell. What I do think is that the conversations within the zeitgeist about the Wirkin, the perceived value of top tier luxury goods and the ethics of the arguably predatory retail practices of Hermes are all indicative of a much larger cultural discourse that we have been teetering on the edge of for years now. It feeds into much bigger questions about classism, access, equity, consumerism...if you look at this conversation against the backdrop of the Luigi of it all, I think we are poised for some major culture clashes and reckonings, at least here in the US.
It could also be a secret cooperation between the two companies. A clever move to potentially attract new customer groups. Or to test the popularity of certain colors in advance.
In the state that the world is in right now with poverty and homelessness being rampant, you and everyone else have the nerve to debate about this overrated Hermes bag that is actually not all that good looking in the first place. You wealthy people who allow Hermes to treat you like that just to buy this ugly bag are just plain silly. Obsession with designer labels is the biggest scam on earth especially since most of these products are made with slave labor mostly using children. Your priorities are in the wrong order. God help us.
Would you consider looking at the Delvaux bag? And Fauere la Page?
Absolutely yes! Xx
The variety of textures in the *eudupe* pack is impressive. From smooth leather to textured suede, there's something for everyone.
I would never waste my money on a Burkin. If I had enough money for an overpriced bag or Porsche I’d rather spend the money on my parents having a comfortable retirement. Seriously I’m speechless over this pointless debate
The materials used are top notch. The leather feels soft and luxurious, exactly like the real thing. The stitching is impeccable, with no loose or uneven lines. The hardware (including the iconic CC twist lock clasp) is durable, well made, and adds to the overall elegance of the bag *eudupe* . I thought everyone who owned an LV monogram bag knew that it was obviously coated canvas? When people spend a fortune on an expensive bag, they might as well buy a replica
Hermes is absolutely ridiculous. I feel luxury means high quality and I do not see it with their handbags. People become excited after buying ashtrays, scarves, trays until the sales person finally informs them they may now purchase a Birkin.
The Walmart brand is real leather. I can’t really tell the difference. The straps are a bit longer than the real Birkin. They look the same inside. No logo on the bag. I think the lock and key are different. Would someone mistake it for a real one? I think so until looking at the details.
I feel the Birkin is NOT worth it. It’s a true waste of money. You might as well publicly burn your money in the face of those struggling. I would be ashamed carrying something like this. Customers could put people through college or pay off someone’s house help somebody get off the street, et cetera. But instead they spend $75,000 on an ugly purse that really isn’t any better than a purse you can get at Walmart.
Those you were calling her mad and saying all something has to be done about this I assume that’s all they are . Their whole personality and life revolves around a bag an ugly bag at that. It says A LOT about the type of person complaining. Disgusting
Totally agree with what you said about Hermes being so rare but you see them everywhere, every luxury reseller has so many variations of Hermes bags available to buy. It’s just ridiculous.
Ok.. so im at 16:50 and you mention the heart shape chanel.. as im looking up a leather heart shaped bag.. do i want the chanel, nope. Not after the whole deal with it. I've never been "i've gotta buy a brand" always been, what i like i like so i'll get that.. It sucks it was gate-keeped like it was but it's just not worth the fuss in the end.