Ever year i want to get enrolled. I just cant afford it.. you having these UA-cam vids help so much.. plus it shows how humble and how much you care . Thank you
1. Understand how time signatures work 2. Combine simple groupings to create more complex rhythms 3. You can't count this on the stage- you've gotta feel the pulse
Can I just say that even as a guitar player this guys videos are incredibly helpful for music theory and thinking in time just for any instrument? Way cool, man
that is your flamenco side, Scott. Odd time signatures are a must, I think they are still underestimated (I could have had more tunes like 'Money' from Pink Floyd).
Great video Scott, thanks so much! I also use the Gamala Taki counting system which is based on the same concept - that you can break down any rhythm into groups of 2 and 3 - and then sing Taki for groups of 2 and Gamala for groups of 3. It's a cool way to count in odd time signatures without using numbers at all.
Omg Scott, thanks so much for this video, you nailed it (again)! Now I finally get the signatures. :) Getting my new bass on Monday, I will definitely check your Academy! Thanks once again!
A very good album to listen to that gets funky with time signatures and shifted accents is Young Legionnaire's "Zero Worship". They're a little heavy but very fun!
I've started my bass journey just a month ago. :O Undestanding time signatures was exactely what i was looking for!! thanks a lot for this Scott!! See you in SBL ;)
Always been a Genesis fan, especially of the PG era. In fact I just received a bass pedalboard to learn playing this, since Michael Rutherford played a taurus too.
Scott, a beautiful song in 13 (grouped as 5-4-4) is 'Dreaming' by Avishai Cohen. This song and this bassist changed my life. He makes it sound intuitive, which it is to him. If you want to get crazier, check out his 'Chutzpan' which is counted in 34 (5-5-5-5-6-5-3).
Ivo Papasov, (!) Besh O Drom (their odd rhythms don't change much, but I LOVE them:), much of progressive rock, you know.. Dream theater and such..) Bulgarians, Romanians etc. are kings of odd rhythms. I'll tell you more if I remember, just got stuck for now)
Nice videos Scott, but could maybe some lessons be shorter? I mean, sometimes my attention get lost when its 10 minutes or more to talk about "2 mistakes", "2 exercises", "best exercise" and so on. Of course I enjoy some of your longer videos too, but some tips and tricks videos around 2-4 minutes would be great! Or maybe thats just my opinion haha.. Thanks for the lessons anyway Scott! :-)
Hi Scott, Broadway Joe SBL member here. I have a question. Could you demonstrate this 3 bar repeating groove? /: 4/4, 4/4, 6/8 thanks a million, Joseph, Cheers
I'm trying to decide if the lower numeral that indicates the note value that represents a beat (the beat unit), is relevant if one is not reading (or writing) music, at least for explanation purposes here.
4 x 4 most dance music from 1988 to 2017, 4 to the floor . Nearly £180 to join up bit steep don't you think (But understand's all the work that gets put into the website and on here) Would love a video for us beginners on Minor Arpeggios & Arpeggios, Major 7ths & Triad Visualization with tabs .
+codisafishy One thought- as was mentioned time signatures describe what's going on within measures. So one measure of 3/4 feels like half a measure of 6/8 (tempo adjusted). But because 6/8 puts two 3/4s together in one measure, the feel is different. Or in other words, the time signatures greatly affect the pulse in a song, and the pulse guides the phrasing. One question Scott- what is the reason (is there a "rule-of-thumb") you group 9/4 into 4,3,2 and not 2,3,4 or one of the other permutations ... or even something weird like 4,4,1? Thanks !!
After 14 years of playing guitar, I never really took the time to learn time signatures, but I'm starting to get it. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong? Isn't the bottom number somewhat arbitrary since you can still play 8th or 16th notes in a time signature like 4/4? Does it basically just tell you that the majority of the song uses quarter notes?
CoDisafishy You are correct, however often things are notated in this was with the bottom numbers, as they give you a sense of feel for the track. For example 3/4 and 6/8 are fundamentally the same time signature, however a 6/8 groove would be expected to be played a bit faster/with more notes, due to the 8th note distribution!
+Lewis Crisp That's not correct. 6/8 is not necessarily played any faster than 3/4. They are felt differently. 3/4 is felt in three (2 + 2 + 2), whereas 6/8 is felt in two (3 + 3). "House of the Rising Sun" is a good example of a 6/8 song, "Manic Depression" (by Jimi Hendrix) is a good example of a 3/4 song. If you want to learn the difference between 6/8 and 3/4, "America" from "West Side Story" is a good example of a song that alternates between the two time signatures. You can hear the different note groupings pretty clearly. "I like to be in America" is felt like "1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2 1-2 1-2" (3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2). 0:57 /watch?v=GB4lOWfgD5s Think 6/8 as basically the same as 2/4 with triplets. In 6/8 the measure is first divided in two main beats and those main beats are divided in three. In 6/8 the "basic unit" is a dotted quarter note (the pulse is felt in dotted quarter notes). 3/4 is divided in three main beats and those main beats are divided in two. In 3/4 the "basic unit" is a quarter note (the pulse is felt in quarter notes). I know this sounds a bit confusing - why is the basic unit in 6/8 a dotted quarter note, and not an 8th note? That's most likely because the only way to express a dotted quarter note in numbers is 3/8 (my point is, it can't be expressed as 1/X - or if we wanted to express it that way, it would be 1/2,666... which doesn't make much sense). If this doesn't make sense, watch this video: /watch?v=nuPqlxvQ9aU The main point is, both time signatures have the same number of 8th notes, but they are felt differently.
Still not quite sure about this magical "lower" number. Assume 7/4 time with 120bpm (or 1/4=120), how is this different from 7/8 with 60bpm? Same with 6/4 vs 6/8 and and and. There seems to be the idea that the "pulse" is somehow different, but nothing to put my finger on. Example: The first two bars of the verse of "All You Need is Love" are usually notated 7/4 and (almost) the whole "Money" of PF is given as 7/8.
I feel the same way as the guy who answered before me, they do have a different pulse, which isn't something you can feel with a metronome, but when you listen to a drum track in 7/4 and then go to 7/8 you can definitely feel that. One thing that helped me feel those things is just sticking to quarter notes with time signatures such as 6/4, 7/4 etc, while subdiving in the case of 6/8, 7/8 (viewing them as compound basically, so considering 6/8 kinda like 2 bars of 3/8, or, in the case of 7/8, 2/8 + 2/8 + 3/8)
I would notate both "Money" and "All You Need Is Love" in 7/4. When you listen to the drums, it becomes clear - the snare plays on the back beats (2 and 4, and in this case also 6). To me 7/4 basically means the combination of 4/4 and 3/4, whereas 7/8 is more like a single 3/4 bar with two short beats and one long beat. So in 7/4 you count to 4 and 3, and in 7/8 you count to 3. But that's just the general rule. I would say in 7/4, the 7 beats are more "equal" (so maybe all 7 beats get an emphasis) than in 7/8 (as I said, it's usually felt in 3 instead of 7). If "Money" had a "half tempo" drum beat, then it would make sense to notate it in 7/8.
I know but if you think of it, it's 50% 4/4 and 50% odd time signatures because those cycles are resolved in 4/4 but they're still in 25/16 or 17/16 etc so it teaches us how to think the odd time signatures in a straight way
He's counting the 1's of the note groupings that are divided in a way to make the whole measure easier to count. When Scott says 1, he's referring to the first note of a grouping, like *1* _2_ _3_ _4_ *1* _2_ _3_ _4_ etc. The 1's that he's counting result in a pulse that is based on these note groupings, so you could even change the order of the groupings and you'd have a different pulse (e.g. you could count in groups of 4 3 4 2, or 3 4 2 4, or any combination and you'd get a different pulse/clave based on the first note of the grouping). If he were to count it as a measure of 13 without using smaller note groupings, he would be saying *1* _2_ _3_ _4_ *5* _6_ _7_ _8_ *9* _10_ _11_ *12* _13_ , which is a bit more complicated that it needs to be... unless you find that easier, of course!
I'm obviously not Scott but I would say nope. As long as the numbers add up it won't matter. Every tune could differ depending on the pulse and the rhythm of the song. For example, a bar of 7 + bar of 6 or bar of 8 + bar of 5 or 4+4+2+3 or 4+5+4 (although that sounds like I'm over complicating the situation entirely) but as long as the tune fits and the numbers all add up to 13 you are on the right path. If that makes any sense whatsoever.
Gavin, you are right. I would just add, that it doesn't have to be in that order, you can move those 1,2,3 parts to any place you want. In Balkan music you have many folk tunes in odd signatures, and in various tunes you may have different division. For example, 9/8 can be 1234, 12, 123, or 12, 123, 1234 or 123, 1234 12.
YEAH NO KIDDING GENESIS ,,, LOOK I'LL BE 65 YEAR'S OLD IN TWO MONTHS,,, AND I HAVE NAILED LIFE OKAY,,, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THIS I'M SENDING A MESSAGE OUT THERE OKAY,,, I HAVE NAILED IT DOWN A LONG TIME AGO,,, SO ON THAT NOTE AND TIME SIGNATURE ,,, I'M MORE THEN READY! I'M GOING TO HAMMER IT DOWN KNOW WITH THE GOLDEN NOT THE RING FINGER SLIDE!
I have never thought about timing or counting but this made me realize i do this automatically without thinking about it. I also never worried much about it. I just play it the way it feels right.
4th awesome tip? I find the takadimi method to be very helpful with this approach to odd meters. For example, a 13 groove with 5-4-4 subdividions would go something like ta-di-gi-na-thom ta-ka-di-mi ta-ka-di-mi. It's easier because you're not really counting, and it's easier to keep saying it out loud steadily. Definitely helped me a lot!
Kai Eckhardt has a great Truefire.com course of this takadimi method called "Atomic Bass - Time Continuum" Check it out! truefire.com/bass-guitar-lessons/atomic-bass-time-continuum/c695
Awesome vid Scott! I love Genesis and all their odd time signatures. If I'm honest it s a huge part of what makes them so great. What do you think about hollow body basses Scott? Are they just good looking or does it make a difference in sound quality ?
Took me about 10 years of drumming to understand and feel "odd" times like 5/4, 7/8, 7/4, triplets... good tricks to have as a drummer, but never underestimate a solid beat and the ONE XD
Awesome lesson, Scott!!! (as usual, though:) I've been playing Balkan music for a few years, where odd signatures are an integral part of their folk music. So, the question is where you put that "three" in those 9, 11,13, 15..) Sometimes they would accent the third beat in the grouping of 3. Thank you, man! I should definitely check that Rich Brown's seminar!
Thanks (again) Scott. As you say many pop/rock songs are in time signatures other than 4/4, but fortunately they often contain repetitive riffs making them much easier to 'feel'. As you may recall most of my playing is sight reading charts. 3/4 comes up a lot, as does 12/8 and that's OK except when they write quarter note triplets:-) If the chart contains a short section of non-4/4 I often find it easier just to play the notes and not try to feel it. By the time I 'feel' it's gone:-) Keep up the good work.
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the stuff at the end from the band of Rich Brown sound REALLY dark, darker than any dark metal or whatever, I think.
Hi, I am new to the bass (former drummer) and I bought a bass that came stock with flat wounds (45-105) and I love how the flats sound but they are killing my fingers. I thought I would change them out to round wound strings but I was talking to a friend of mine who has been playing for a few years and he suggested that I try half wounds because he said they are the best of both the flat and round. The issue I am having is that the only string manufacturer that found that makes half rounds is D' Adario and they only make them in 45-100 gauge. I bought my bass from the Bass Centre in the U.K. and the sell the half rounds in the same gauge as the strings that the bass came with and are cheaper than the D' Addarios and I am in the US and don't mind waiting for them, so what I am asking is does it matter if the gauge is slightly different 45-105 as opposed to 45-100 ?
Hey Marc. You need to be patient. Your fingers will toughen up. Be aware though; half rounds and round wounds are rougher than flats, so they'll hurt your fingers more! In the meantime it might be worth taking your bass into a good shop and asking if your action needs adjusting (it might, having travelled overseas). A lower action will be more comfortable.
Thanks for the info Ian Lewis, it came in a case and my bass player friend said the action was fine, in fact he said it was set-up pretty good before it was shipped...he works in a music store and does set ups. It's funny you said rounds and half rouns or ground wounds as they are called would be more rough, which is contrary to what I am hearing from several bass players and I have had my bass for over a year and play it quite often.
Bass strings are not that expensive these days. Try different gauges and decide by yourself. I play 40-90, and I love them. You may try to put some 40-90 round wounds and try them, too. Perhaps, nickels or nickel plated, they have a bit softer feeling.
Yes, but in 3/4 the division is of straight 3 (1,2,3), but in 6/8 you divide it more often in two groupings of 3 (1,2,3+1,2,3 (or 4, 5, 6), and so the internal pulse of 6/8 is closer to 2/4, if you accent the first "one". Or It's like you have two triplets in 6/8, with the accent on "one" of the first triplet.
When Scott is counting the 13, he counts 4, 4, 3, 2, but when he just claps without the audible count it's definitely 4, 4, 2, 3. Another one in 13 is Golden Brown by the Stranglers, which is 3, 3, 3, 4. Pink Floyd's Money is interesting, some people clearly hear it as 4, 3. I always hear it as 3,4
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Tip 2: 4:46
Tip 3: 7:09
Ever year i want to get enrolled. I just cant afford it.. you having these UA-cam vids help so much.. plus it shows how humble and how much you care . Thank you
People from Balkans are naturally gifted with understanding 7/8 :)
Welp I`m from Turkey and i second that.Cause most of the romanian songs are 'ın 7/8
1. Understand how time signatures work
2. Combine simple groupings to create more complex rhythms
3. You can't count this on the stage- you've gotta feel the pulse
I had a drummer from Bulgaria told me "It's all 2s and 3s"
Yep!
That’s true
I also had a drummer from Bulgaria tell me that!
Can I just say that even as a guitar player this guys videos are incredibly helpful for music theory and thinking in time just for any instrument? Way cool, man
As a young university graduate in 1972, I had the opportunity to sit in with the Don Ellis band. I got schooled like never before on time signatures.
Wow - that must have been amazing Dave :)
that is your flamenco side, Scott. Odd time signatures are a must, I think they are still underestimated (I could have had more tunes like 'Money' from Pink Floyd).
Distracted driving is stupid and dangerous. "Big fan!"
Excellent video, Scott. I have always thought of/divided time signatures like this and it is good to know I am not alone. Cheers!
Great video Scott, thanks so much! I also use the Gamala Taki counting system which is based on the same concept - that you can break down any rhythm into groups of 2 and 3 - and then sing Taki for groups of 2 and Gamala for groups of 3. It's a cool way to count in odd time signatures without using numbers at all.
This is great. A real eye opener. We are doing stuff in odd time and I always fall into the
1 5 8 and it's SO boring and pedestrian.
best explanation ive seen on youtube thanks alot!
Genesis is one of my all time faves.... Especially the Peter years, but the early Phil stuff rocks too
Omg Scott, thanks so much for this video, you nailed it (again)! Now I finally get the signatures. :) Getting my new bass on Monday, I will definitely check your Academy! Thanks once again!
fantastico maravilloso desde Argentina !!! Best Regards
very nice, thank you!
A very good album to listen to that gets funky with time signatures and shifted accents is Young Legionnaire's "Zero Worship". They're a little heavy but very fun!
I've started my bass journey just a month ago. :O Undestanding time signatures was exactely what i was looking for!! thanks a lot for this Scott!! See you in SBL ;)
Awesome Rui! :)
Scott's Bass Lessons also, a trick that i use to remember 7/4 is to use the main riff of am i evil by Diamond Head.
Great demonstration Chris.😀
Always been a Genesis fan, especially of the PG era. In fact I just received a bass pedalboard to learn playing this, since Michael Rutherford played a taurus too.
Good video. Thanks
Scott, a beautiful song in 13 (grouped as 5-4-4) is 'Dreaming' by Avishai Cohen. This song and this bassist changed my life. He makes it sound intuitive, which it is to him. If you want to get crazier, check out his 'Chutzpan' which is counted in 34 (5-5-5-5-6-5-3).
Yes, Avishai is fantastic!
Yes! Do you happen to know any other artist that plays crazy rhythms, but still makes it beautiful? Any style
Ivo Papasov, (!) Besh O Drom (their odd rhythms don't change much, but I LOVE them:), much of progressive rock, you know.. Dream theater and such..) Bulgarians, Romanians etc. are kings of odd rhythms. I'll tell you more if I remember, just got stuck for now)
Thank you, I will be listening to all of that!
right here i heart genesis
ty a lot
Great lesson Scott. Thanks.
Yeah, Genesis fan of old. I'm from the prog era with Gabriel, but love Phil Collins drumming . . .
So glad I found this channel!
me too ;)
great lesson Scott ;)
Thx Scott, as always very fun and useful 👍 btw, Genesis best band ever !! 😉
Moony from Pink Floyd
Nice videos Scott, but could maybe some lessons be shorter? I mean, sometimes my attention get lost when its 10 minutes or more to talk about "2 mistakes", "2 exercises", "best exercise" and so on. Of course I enjoy some of your longer videos too, but some tips and tricks videos around 2-4 minutes would be great! Or maybe thats just my opinion haha..
Thanks for the lessons anyway Scott! :-)
best odd time signature artist: Don Ellis + Big Band
Can you do a video on understanding polyrhythms nd polymeters? If u have already done a video on it can u direct me to it?
Genesis! Have you listened to their early stuff e.g. the album Musical box or Trespass. Very interesting, melodic music. Thanks for the lesson!
Hi Scott, Broadway Joe SBL member here. I have a question. Could you demonstrate this 3 bar repeating groove? /: 4/4, 4/4, 6/8 thanks a million, Joseph, Cheers
is the pulse the same as the bass drum???
wow! thank you so much wow!
hey you're driving on the wrong side off the road lol
I'm trying to decide if the lower numeral that indicates the note value that represents a beat (the beat unit), is relevant if one is not reading (or writing) music, at least for explanation purposes here.
4 x 4 most dance music from 1988 to 2017, 4 to the floor .
Nearly £180 to join up bit steep don't you think (But understand's all the work that gets put into the website and on here)
Would love a video for us beginners on Minor Arpeggios & Arpeggios, Major 7ths & Triad Visualization with tabs .
What you doing with your foot tapping, when playing in 13/4
This still confuses me so much. Been playing bass for 3 years and still cannot wrap my head around it
When are you doing the giveaway when we choose one of your basses?
+codisafishy
One thought- as was mentioned time signatures describe what's going on within measures. So one measure of 3/4 feels like half a measure of 6/8 (tempo adjusted). But because 6/8 puts two 3/4s together in one measure, the feel is different. Or in other words, the time signatures greatly affect the pulse in a song, and the pulse guides the phrasing.
One question Scott- what is the reason (is there a "rule-of-thumb") you group 9/4 into 4,3,2 and not 2,3,4 or one of the other permutations ... or even something weird like 4,4,1?
Thanks !!
Did he announced the winner of the giveaway alrady?
wowww
10:00 kinda sounds like Jon Lord Sarabande
After 14 years of playing guitar, I never really took the time to learn time signatures, but I'm starting to get it. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong? Isn't the bottom number somewhat arbitrary since you can still play 8th or 16th notes in a time signature like 4/4? Does it basically just tell you that the majority of the song uses quarter notes?
CoDisafishy You are correct, however often things are notated in this was with the bottom numbers, as they give you a sense of feel for the track. For example 3/4 and 6/8 are fundamentally the same time signature, however a 6/8 groove would be expected to be played a bit faster/with more notes, due to the 8th note distribution!
+Lewis Crisp Alright, cool. Thanks!
+Lewis Crisp
That's not correct. 6/8 is not necessarily played any faster than 3/4. They are felt differently. 3/4 is felt in three (2 + 2 + 2), whereas 6/8 is felt in two (3 + 3). "House of the Rising Sun" is a good example of a 6/8 song, "Manic Depression" (by Jimi Hendrix) is a good example of a 3/4 song.
If you want to learn the difference between 6/8 and 3/4, "America" from "West Side Story" is a good example of a song that alternates between the two time signatures. You can hear the different note groupings pretty clearly. "I like to be in America" is felt like "1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2 1-2 1-2" (3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2).
0:57
/watch?v=GB4lOWfgD5s
Think 6/8 as basically the same as 2/4 with triplets. In 6/8 the measure is first divided in two main beats and those main beats are divided in three. In 6/8 the "basic unit" is a dotted quarter note (the pulse is felt in dotted quarter notes). 3/4 is divided in three main beats and those main beats are divided in two. In 3/4 the "basic unit" is a quarter note (the pulse is felt in quarter notes).
I know this sounds a bit confusing - why is the basic unit in 6/8 a dotted quarter note, and not an 8th note? That's most likely because the only way to express a dotted quarter note in numbers is 3/8 (my point is, it can't be expressed as 1/X - or if we wanted to express it that way, it would be 1/2,666... which doesn't make much sense).
If this doesn't make sense, watch this video:
/watch?v=nuPqlxvQ9aU
The main point is, both time signatures have the same number of 8th notes, but they are felt differently.
Still not quite sure about this magical "lower" number. Assume 7/4 time with 120bpm (or 1/4=120), how is this different from 7/8 with 60bpm? Same with 6/4 vs 6/8 and and and. There seems to be the idea that the "pulse" is somehow different, but nothing to put my finger on. Example: The first two bars of the verse of "All You Need is Love" are usually notated 7/4 and (almost) the whole "Money" of PF is given as 7/8.
I feel the same way as the guy who answered before me, they do have a different pulse, which isn't something you can feel with a metronome, but when you listen to a drum track in 7/4 and then go to 7/8 you can definitely feel that.
One thing that helped me feel those things is just sticking to quarter notes with time signatures such as 6/4, 7/4 etc, while subdiving in the case of 6/8, 7/8 (viewing them as compound basically, so considering 6/8 kinda like 2 bars of 3/8, or, in the case of 7/8, 2/8 + 2/8 + 3/8)
I would notate both "Money" and "All You Need Is Love" in 7/4. When you listen to the drums, it becomes clear - the snare plays on the back beats (2 and 4, and in this case also 6).
To me 7/4 basically means the combination of 4/4 and 3/4, whereas 7/8 is more like a single 3/4 bar with two short beats and one long beat. So in 7/4 you count to 4 and 3, and in 7/8 you count to 3. But that's just the general rule.
I would say in 7/4, the 7 beats are more "equal" (so maybe all 7 beats get an emphasis) than in 7/8 (as I said, it's usually felt in 3 instead of 7).
If "Money" had a "half tempo" drum beat, then it would make sense to notate it in 7/8.
Genesis rock
Why is it every time I watch your videos that you sound like every bass player plays one way? Serious question
the best advice for odd time signature ? Listen to all meshuggah's albums
adrien MICHEL 9 out of 10 of their songs are in 4/4 with a lot of polyrhytms, so it's not completely correct.
Or just listen to progressive rock/metal.
Dream Theater, Tool and Karnivool really do odd time signatures all the time.
Ever heard of Rush???
I know but if you think of it, it's 50% 4/4 and 50% odd time signatures because those cycles are resolved in 4/4 but they're still in 25/16 or 17/16 etc so it teaches us how to think the odd time signatures in a straight way
Do you ever play a 5 string?
lowandlazy57 he's got his own signature 5 strings by overwater basses, he just prefers to play 4 string most of the time 😊
I don't understand this method, because you seem to be hitting multiple ones within a single measure.
He's counting the 1's of the note groupings that are divided in a way to make the whole measure easier to count. When Scott says 1, he's referring to the first note of a grouping, like *1* _2_ _3_ _4_ *1* _2_ _3_ _4_ etc.
The 1's that he's counting result in a pulse that is based on these note groupings, so you could even change the order of the groupings and you'd have a different pulse (e.g. you could count in groups of 4 3 4 2, or 3 4 2 4, or any combination and you'd get a different pulse/clave based on the first note of the grouping).
If he were to count it as a measure of 13 without using smaller note groupings, he would be saying *1* _2_ _3_ _4_ *5* _6_ _7_ _8_ *9* _10_ _11_ *12* _13_ , which is a bit more complicated that it needs to be... unless you find that easier, of course!
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Turn it on again - Genesis
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Mr Scott I noticed you said for example if you want a 13 bar you add a 4+4+3+2. Must it be in that order?
I'm obviously not Scott but I would say nope. As long as the numbers add up it won't matter. Every tune could differ depending on the pulse and the rhythm of the song. For example, a bar of 7 + bar of 6 or bar of 8 + bar of 5 or 4+4+2+3 or 4+5+4 (although that sounds like I'm over complicating the situation entirely) but as long as the tune fits and the numbers all add up to 13 you are on the right path. If that makes any sense whatsoever.
Gavin, you are right. I would just add, that it doesn't have to be in that order, you can move those 1,2,3 parts to any place you want. In Balkan music you have many folk tunes in odd signatures, and in various tunes you may have different division. For example, 9/8 can be 1234, 12, 123, or 12, 123, 1234 or 123, 1234 12.
Thanks a lot. I'm clear.
YEAH NO KIDDING GENESIS ,,, LOOK I'LL BE 65 YEAR'S OLD IN TWO MONTHS,,, AND I HAVE NAILED LIFE OKAY,,, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THIS I'M SENDING A MESSAGE OUT THERE OKAY,,, I HAVE NAILED IT DOWN A LONG TIME AGO,,, SO ON THAT NOTE AND TIME SIGNATURE ,,, I'M MORE THEN READY! I'M GOING TO HAMMER IT DOWN KNOW WITH THE GOLDEN NOT THE RING FINGER SLIDE!
Stop shouting! (capital letters).
Have you ended the giveaway yet?
two months ago lol
where did he announce the winner
I'm beyond 2:30 minutes and I have heard nothing, bye
Scott that bass is ugly but sounds good sort of like my girlfriend in a way hahaha
I think it looks pretty cool in a shambolic sort of way.
a shambo what
thanks cat
I love the looks of that bass to be honest
But I totally loved your analogy hahahahah
Mark B it happens a lot. Not so nice from outside, but...they have something special on them which you dont find anywere
Mark B hopefully your girlfriend doesn't read this.
really loved this video and learned a lot but the lighting gave me headache
Starts at 1:39
I have never thought about timing or counting but this made me realize i do this automatically without thinking about it. I also never worried much about it. I just play it the way it feels right.
I'm like that . Not as good . But yeah
As always, you make complex things simple! Brilliant lesson, Scott, thanks showing us the path to become a better bass player.
Thanks for the lesson! This will be really helpful in learning mathcore
4th awesome tip? I find the takadimi method to be very helpful with this approach to odd meters. For example, a 13 groove with 5-4-4 subdividions would go something like ta-di-gi-na-thom ta-ka-di-mi ta-ka-di-mi. It's easier because you're not really counting, and it's easier to keep saying it out loud steadily. Definitely helped me a lot!
Kai Eckhardt has a great Truefire.com course of this takadimi method called "Atomic Bass - Time Continuum"
Check it out! truefire.com/bass-guitar-lessons/atomic-bass-time-continuum/c695
Hey anyone! Am I the only one who thinks that he looks like jason Statham? Lol
Awesome vid Scott! I love Genesis and all their odd time signatures. If I'm honest it s a huge part of what makes them so great.
What do you think about hollow body basses Scott? Are they just good looking or does it make a difference in sound quality ?
just getting into MESHUGGAH so I think this lesson is apt..thanx..next time do something on simple meshuggah if its ok with u
I didn't knew professor x can play bass
Took me about 10 years of drumming to understand and feel "odd" times like 5/4, 7/8, 7/4, triplets... good tricks to have as a drummer, but never underestimate a solid beat and the ONE XD
You never want to miss the one. That's rhythm section rule number one, as it should be.
Thanks, Hipster Dan Soder!
Fantastic! But then again, you always are!
Turn the Closed Caption on and then go to 9:43.
Where are the gloves?! :O
Awesome lesson, Scott!!! (as usual, though:)
I've been playing Balkan music for a few years, where odd signatures are an integral part of their folk music.
So, the question is where you put that "three" in those 9, 11,13, 15..)
Sometimes they would accent the third beat in the grouping of 3.
Thank you, man!
I should definitely check that Rich Brown's seminar!
Thanks (again) Scott. As you say many pop/rock songs are in time signatures other than 4/4, but fortunately they often contain repetitive riffs making them much easier to 'feel'. As you may recall most of my playing is sight reading charts. 3/4 comes up a lot, as does 12/8 and that's OK except when they write quarter note triplets:-) If the chart contains a short section of non-4/4 I often find it easier just to play the notes and not try to feel it. By the time I 'feel' it's gone:-) Keep up the good work.
the stuff at the end from the band of Rich Brown sound REALLY dark, darker than any dark metal or whatever, I think.
Great tips Scott!
Great video, love odd time signature's but I always struggle with it, and you made it sound so easy. Thanks for this lesson. Happy SBL member here :)
Hi, I am new to the bass (former drummer) and I bought a bass that came stock with flat wounds (45-105) and I love how the flats sound but they are killing my fingers. I thought I would change them out to round wound strings but I was talking to a friend of mine who has been playing for a few years and he suggested that I try half wounds because he said they are the best of both the flat and round. The issue I am having is that the only string manufacturer that found that makes half rounds is D' Adario and they only make them in 45-100 gauge. I bought my bass from the Bass Centre in the U.K. and the sell the half rounds in the same gauge as the strings that the bass came with and are cheaper than the D' Addarios and I am in the US and don't mind waiting for them, so what I am asking is does it matter if the gauge is slightly different 45-105 as opposed to 45-100 ?
Hey Marc. You need to be patient. Your fingers will toughen up. Be aware though; half rounds and round wounds are rougher than flats, so they'll hurt your fingers more! In the meantime it might be worth taking your bass into a good shop and asking if your action needs adjusting (it might, having travelled overseas). A lower action will be more comfortable.
Thanks for the info Ian Lewis, it came in a case and my bass player friend said the action was fine, in fact he said it was set-up pretty good before it was shipped...he works in a music store and does set ups. It's funny you said rounds and half rouns or ground wounds as they are called would be more rough, which is contrary to what I am hearing from several bass players and I have had my bass for over a year and play it quite often.
Bass strings are not that expensive these days. Try different gauges and decide by yourself. I play 40-90, and I love them. You may try to put some 40-90 round wounds and try them, too. Perhaps, nickels or nickel plated, they have a bit softer feeling.
thanks, I will try that.
Just switched from guitar to bass and really enjoying myself alot more. These videos are really useful.
Sterling effort Scott! Thank you. Great presentation; that'll travel a long way :D
Libera a legenda por obséquio!!!
Timble cool, I love this Bass
Me too Richard Brown way way
thank you. 😊
All I wanted was the foldable purple bass and Richard Brown. Check my answer. That was my choice. Dream will come true, one day over the rainbow...
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Great lesson, Scott. Such a good way to think about this🤙 mahalos
3/4 and 6/8 is pretty much the same thing right?
Yes, but in 3/4 the division is of straight 3 (1,2,3), but in 6/8 you divide it more often in two groupings of 3 (1,2,3+1,2,3 (or 4, 5, 6), and so the internal pulse of 6/8 is closer to 2/4, if you accent the first "one". Or It's like you have two triplets in 6/8, with the accent on "one" of the first triplet.
oh ok :P
excellent tips, subdividing is the key and feeling the pulse of those subdivisions,top lesson.
where is the glove? :D I'm playing a song with interesting time at the moment. Counting helped.
it looks the same as Flea Fender signature bass or is it?
Nah, flea uses a jazz bass.
it looks similar to his i was confused
What a great band to preface odd time signatures!
When Scott is counting the 13, he counts 4, 4, 3, 2, but when he just claps without the audible count it's definitely 4, 4, 2, 3.
Another one in 13 is Golden Brown by the Stranglers, which is 3, 3, 3, 4.
Pink Floyd's Money is interesting, some people clearly hear it as 4, 3. I always hear it as 3,4
Pongan subtítulos en español, por favor.
o aprende ingles :(