must be working then. I'd rather have it and not need it, than have a bear find me and need it but not have it. Around here we regularly sight coyotes and there's nothing we can do about them. What's the point in calling animal control after somebody loses a child to one? We should be able to protect ourselves without this over-regulation.
@@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 Most of us sane people dont get how we are can defend outselves but not allowed any tools of self-defence. Criminals get the free rein but law-abiding get injured; government DOES NOT care.
@@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 The same mentality behind ones inability to protect themselves from human threats. You can't use weapons to protect yourself because after you've been injured, humiliated or worse the Police can assist!
Why doesn't anyone consider the fact that the people blocked the guy's driveway? They initiated the conflict by intentionally harassing/obstructing their neighbour. I'd be angry too if someone blocked my driveway and it's NOT an accident when somebody does that. It's deliberate. It sounds like the people with the vehicle were the aggressors here. They wanted to create a conflict and they got one. I'd charge them with harassment and with initiating this altercation.
Many years ago I was charged with causing bodily harm when I was defending myself. I had to do community service, go to group therapy Consequently I am very apprehensive of defending myself at all. I used to be proud of being a Canuck but really all we are is cucks because we are expected to bleed, back down an apologize. Had I fought it I would likely have won in principle but lost my career job. That is Canadian Justice for you
i've never got into a fight in adulthood.. luckily.. but that's exactly how my school troubles went. i would get the same punishment as the bully that started the fight. like.. what?
Nasty stuff to get in your eyes. In the US it is illegal to use those sprays for anything they are not certified for. Kinda like a drugs prohibition in concept where drugs are great, but they are only approved for certain uses. So if you spray someone with wasp spray, it is not an approved use, and it is illegal from the get go. Not sure how that compares in Canada. And then you have all the legal issues I am not qualified to talk about. But it might get sticky if your plan from the get go was perceived to be to use an illegal product for the considered use.
For anyone reading this comment. Wasp spray is legally equivalent to throwing acid at someone. It would be considered grievous bodily harm (like shooting and not killing), unlike OC/pepper spray which does not permanently injure someone. So if you are carrying wasp spray, consider it basically like carrying around a bottle of acid, you better only use it in DIRE circumstances otherwise you're going to jail. You can't throw acid on someone for beefing you in a bar or even throwing a punch on the street.
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Knuckleheads around here like to use brake-clean to get your attention. Administering a noxious substance is the usual CC charge.
I don’t consider it to be an emergency situation when you’ve escalated an argument by kicking the car door and then call for the spray immediately once the other guy is tougher.
that the part i dont under stand, there is law that says if the so called ofender is walking away and you go after him/her n self defense, your in the wrong and guilty, the guy was getting in his truck when the other guy kicked his door, witch that driver acted in self defence, but again the 2 that were charged by there names, seems like natives, it is a well known fact the court let them walk or a small slap on the wrist, out of fear of attacks from bands crying out races, this persom was blocking his drive way, and they started a fight, when all they had to do is move there truck, my self i dont look for the owner, i hook a chain on and drag it out..
Bear spray, Canada is very confused as a nation. I drove from USA into Canada and they took the Bear Spray at the Border they said it was illegal and a weapon. So no Bear Spray from the USA. So we get into Baniff and the signs on the hiking trails said 'You must take Bear Spray to hike. So we went to town bought the same brand bear spray that they took at the Border. Just the price of traveling in Canada with too much government that is not coordinated and too many rules & laws . In case you think this is Yankee talking I am a Canadian.......
ye, our laws are retarded. did you clarify that it was for hiking? i mean, they ask you your destination so they must have known you were going to Baniff..
A Criminal Life in Canada is like Heaven for criminals because people can't even throw dirt into the eyes of a robber as you'll be charged for causing harm or injuring the criminal.
I remember hearing somewhere to carry a baseball bat in your trunk for self- defence, but to make sure you have a baseball glove as well so that you can't be charged with carrying it for intent to harm
Does raise the question of what good is a baseball bat in the trunk of your car. Maybe if you sell out of your car... I knew this guy who had a semi auto in a locked gym locker in his garage (no access from inside his house). He had these stories in his head about people coming over the back fence. And somehow he figured that if he was attacked he would get to his gun. Best not to go to jail for fantasy scenarios. It's a care, park it where you can drive away. In the movies the guy with the bat in his car is either a thug, or he sees a fight and mixes in.
I have a can of bear spray in my truck along with other off-road gear at all times, as I often go on back roads. Additionally, I live in a municipality where there are bears that have been known roam the streets. It is unreasonable for the law to make ‘assumptions’ that self defense from bears is a ‘planned’ event, therefore I should not be prepared to encounter them at all times, even if I drive to a downtown location with the spray in my truck. That’s like saying you should only be carrying a spare tire when you need a spare tire. Additionally, self defense of you or your loved ones can be required. That event of the need for bodily defense is not exclusively defined in ‘harm to body’ terms as being easily divisible AT THE TIME OF AN EMERGENCY between a bear or a person. There really is no ‘change of use’ of a bear spray for emergency defense. Defense of family and self is not easily altered by legal maneuvering. In other words, both defense of person from an animal or a person both share the same ultimate results. Danger. It is always a good idea to call wildlife authorities to deal with a bear running at you to rip you apart, instead of using bear spray, just as it is to call 911 when a person is running at you with a sharp object, but in real life terms, you’d still be dead or mangled if you don’t defend yourself. In Canada, we elect individuals from our community to represent us. When they make laws we disagree on, or laws that result in unreasonable prosecutions, WE need to ALL speak up to our elected representatives that they are required to alter those laws as directed by us, the majority. Speak out! And finally, this is NOT LEGAL ADVISE. Just my opinion. What’s yours?
Always thought it was pretty dumb that you can legally defend yourself in Canada but yet the Canadian Government won't let you own or carry non-lethal tools so that you can defend yourself against other people 🤷🏻♂️
You can carry tools for the intended utilitarian purpose of the tool, You can carry sporting goods for the purpose of sports. And by law you can use a weapon in self defence. By law you cannot arm yourself with any weapon for self protection. If you need a box cutter to open your amazon packages you can have one in your purse for this purpose. If you are afraid of getting bitten by a large dog on your walk in the ravine you can have bear spray to ward off aggressive attacking dogs or wildlife. If you are tiny and/or vulnerable, but you like to go on long solo walks in the ravine you can walk better and climb rugged hills with a walking stick. NEVER carry any weapons for the purpose of self defence from humans in Canada, that is a serious criminal offence because it is a “danger to the public peace”.
It makes sense because :1) They have no idea who you really are and what you are really up to. In the case of police, they assume that if they carry a taser, it is to be used instead of their pistol. It isn't non-lethal, it is less lethal. It is within a force continuum. If the person carrying it tasers kids then tortures them and kills them, the taser is totally different in those hands; 2) Police receive training with the device which a) should mean they use them responsibly, and they have other force options if they get themselves in too deep for a taser, or need less than a taser; b) police also have a huge record of abusing tasers, all of a sudden they are zapping kids who talk back, or old people to save them form hurting themselves; so you don't want the public to use them (or knives, or clubs, etc...). Do we need more widely distributed electro torture devices. 3) while it sucks, in a place like Canada where it is as safe as anywhere on earth, particularly considering the level of freedom, it makes it possible for the police to arrest anyone carrying weapons. You don't need weapons in most communities. Sorta sucks since we are so responsible, but that is the way the authorities like it. There are levels of risk in society where it is better to make the job easier for the police. I have relatives in NI and a lot of people, just generically are on hit lists there. You never knew when you opened a door whether you would get shot. That is a place where a lot of average people needed guns. Canada not so much.
We really have no right to self defence in Canada. You can not own any weapon for self defence. You can own things that seem like a weapon, but you can't announce you own it or that purpose. You are supposed to just give up your wallet or take the beating. A woman fending of a rapist with bear spray could be charged.
@@joeshmoe7967 WOW DAMN REALLY? Here in the states, a woman can do just about anything necessary to defenf herself. Women here can carry pepper spray, mace, taser to start with for self defense. In states like Arizona and Texas, you can carry a MECHETE and or a SWORD! I kid you not! But than again, the states is not a reasonable country to live in.
Hello Ian. Is there anything a Canadian citizen could legally carry/ keep at hand for the purpose of self defense or did we somehow lose that basic human right? Your videos are fantastic, thanks.
I dont think Ian will answer this one. You can carry anything that's legal to carry for self-defence just dont tell anyone. The politicians, cops and the courts have their heads backwards.
From what I've read it's illegal to possess any object with the *intent* of using it to defend yourself from a human. If you beat an attacker with a feather duster, then you've used a weapon on them, though that right is protected if it was found that you used it reasonably in self defense. However, if you noted to others that "I'm carrying this feather duster to defend against any potential attackers," then you've committed a crime.
@Cipheiz This is what I just love about government (heavy sarcasm). It's illegal for possession of certain items or doing certain activities unless you give them money (fees, permits, licenses). When money has exchanged hands, everything is ok.
Eriksen was the one who took things from verbal to physical AFTER Roberts thought the issue was resolved and was leaving the scene and I'm wondering why that was not factored in. Roberts NEVER should have admitted he could have broken Eriksen's wrist if he wanted to.
It is illegal for a citizen to be "prepared" for an attack. If one occurs and you had the forethought to arm yourself to defend yourself - you are a criminal. The police would rather deal with your corpse than the assailants.
Sounds about right, it is often about connivence. It sounds like we don’t have the right to defend ourself, if you do you are charge . And often it is easy to charge a victim since they call the police and tell the story. They admit they defended them self .
Yeah..... unless you're a security guard, haul bags of money around, guard a jewelry store, bodyguard, private investigator or you get threatened by the hell angels or some other REALLY dangerous gang/mafia types and have a contract out on you (in which case you go through the ATC process).
I live in an area where there are many bears (even coming into town). It is encouraged and very common to carry bear spray here. No one would ever be charged with carrying it here as you have legitimate reason to do so.
We're getting more and more coyotes coming into Saskatoon, I've lived in neighbourhoods the city put metal sandwich boards warning us about them, and they've started getting bold enough to scavenge outside Costco when it's busy AF because xmas, and coyote spray is sold in town here. I've been thinking of getting some
spent years with bear spray in a black nylon case on the handlebars of my adventure motorcycle, travelled to Mexico, baja, yukon, panama, alaska all places in between. Only once did US border agent when I was coming from Mexico mention it, but never had any one ever seem to notice it otherwise. I never had to use it I also hike in BC often carrying it when alone, have seen many bears, they always went the other way. One never knows.
Carcross is a spectacular mountain biking destination, and Wayne Roberts hand built a significant portion of the trails including "Mountain Hero", a massive 30km loop that takes 6 hours to bike. He was a tough as nails mountain man in the truest sense, "did not appear to need any help" gave me a laugh.
I was always confused by the prohibited weapons language. It seems to classify things like circular saw blades and jump ropes as prohibited weapons (i.e shuriken & nunchaku.) I suppose that, like bear spray, it all boils down to intent while carrying? Love your channel!
Pretty much. If you are carrying bear spray to use on an aggressive animal but a person assaults you and you use the bear spray on them, it’s fine. But if you admit to carrying the bear spray to use on someone who assaults you you can be charged which is fucking stupid. So just lie!
@@Beelzebubby91 exactly, my daughter carries coyote spray because she walks home alone from work sometimes and she has been confronted by a big deer and we can hear the coyotes. If someone tries to attack her, she has my full backing to use it as self-defence. For legal purposes.. I never said that and it can't be used in a court of law.
I will never understand why some jurisdictions (Canada, New York city for example) ban self defense devices. If you use pepper spray to fend off an attacker, how is that a danger to the public? Yes, you could use pepper spray to incapacitate someone before robbing them but you could also carry a can of oven cleaner spray and use it for self defense or offence. Oven cleaner would not be illegal to carry but using it on a human would would do horrible and permanent damage.
Yep. We're sick and tired of governments crying wolf. We've heard you cry wolf and there hasn't been a wolf the last thousand times y'all cried wolf!!!
This is my first time that I happened to see one of your videos, and I was very much impressed by your personality, as you seem to be a very calm, approachable and emphatic individual, and I must command you, as you are an excellent communicator and enunciator, giving very sound advice. >>> "Thank You" for your public service, and I am looking forward to viewing your other videos.
My son was putting something in his trunk when he got hit with pepper spray. Blinded he grabbed the assailant and began to punch him about the head and shoulders. A neighbor called the police as this was happening and the assailant escaped by getting out of his hockey jersey. The police stopped the guy as they knew he was shirtless now and hooked him up and stuffed him in the back of the cruiser. They brought him back to the scene. It was a boyfriend of a girl that also was my son’s friend with benefits. By this time my son could see again the cops arrived with her boyfriend. My son was laughing so hard from seeing how badly he had beat him up and asked them not to arrest him.
Carcross is on the road to Skagway, AK. The only bearing that might have on the case is that there are definitely brown bears thereabouts, possibly even in town.
Carcross is 73 kms south of Whitehorse on the Klondike Hwy. The population can't be much more than those few people fishing on that bridge. And you can expect to run into bears anywheres in Yukon; even in Whitehorse there are warning signs posted on city trails.
Not really, you always have the natural right to defend yourself. However, fighting is always illegal in Canada unless it's in the context of a sport (martial arts/boxing.) Since you have to fight to defend yourself, you're automatically charged with a serious crime and it's up to the judge to decide to dismiss the charges against you. It becomes extremely serious if you use an item (any item at all, not just ones intended to be weapons) to fight with, and if you use a firearm to defend yourself you're now in the SHIT OF YOUR LIFE and will be on "police watch" (targeted individual, full-time surveillance in your own home) for the rest of your life, IF you don't go to prison.
Your right to defend yourself and/or others from unlawful force is literally codified in section 34 of the Criminal Code: _34 (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if_ _(a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;_ _(b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and_ _(c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances._
Awesome instant karma cop story here, and it's PERFECT for this video: My late husband was at a 420 legalization protest before it was legal here in Ontario and got stopped and frisked by a cop who was parked nearby waiting to descend on any humble stoners leaving the event(as they might likely have been consuming or in possession of cannabis or other things). Well this cop made a big mistake. Several actually. First, he was a total Ahole to my late husband who was a very nice man and had important information to tell the officer about the vial of unlabeled white powder he would end up finding in my late hubby's backpack. Second, he based his next decisions on his own ASSUMPTION of what was contained in that little vial of white powder and refused to dignify my hubby by allowing him to explain anything or "give excuses"/"talk his way out of it". Third, he opted not to do any paperwork for the detainment and seizure of the goods, and "let my hubby off with a warning" like a "nice guy". Now idk if Runkle or my fellow lawtube viewers knows what it means when an officer confiscates what he believes to be a controlled substance and opts not to file paperwork regarding the seizure.... Spoilers: It means that officer may have some unconventional plans for "disposing" of the seized goods. My late hubby was fortunate enough to find out the next day, at least circumstantially, what likely happened next. Hubby was walking down the same sidewalk and got pulled over by the same cop, now with a suspicious looking bandage over his nasal pathways, who pulled up in an adjacent alleyway and called my hubby to the car. Mr. Power tripper gets out of his cruiser and proceeds to conduct an unannounced and aggressive "body pat down" and search through his backpack again whilst throwing all the contents violently to the ground around them. According to my hubby the cop just kept angrily repeating "You got any more of that STUFF?!". Eventually the cop gets his anger out and leaves. What was the fourth mistake the cop made? Well that would likely be, and we can only assume based on the sequence of events, probably snorting pure 99% capsicum powder under the belief that it was some other less painful party favor.
tell that to the 5 guys i bear sprayed a couple weeks ago.cops were called and it was self defence and they (the cops) dropped it.and if any of the 5 guys are reading this,i hope it hurt.alot.
@@edwardcote1331 Well be thankful the particular officers that showed up to the call had their own world views and morals, in that circumstance, siding with you and not taking this matter further.
@@edwardcote1331 cops saved you without you knowing that! You could’ve ended up doing community service as there is no such thing as self defense in Canada without a proof and justification for using force including bear spray
@@Mark300win If you defend yourself unnecessarily and without justification, then that amounts to assault - so of course you're going to suffer a penalty.
Pepper spray is a micro pulverized powder suspended in aerosol. The powder in in your pores causes the irritation. Flooding with cool water without rubbing, which grinds in the powder, is the preferred decon.
I would have like to hear why the people that were fishing/charged, that had bear spray in case they encountered a bear, had the bear spray in their truck and not with them while they were fishing.
cause people forget shit? i bought bear spray for a motorcycle trip but didn't even bring it. someone forgetting to bring it from the truck isn't that unreasonable
@@kimpbay yes. People going fishing. Utterly disgusting that these social deviants think they can go for a few casts on the lake without having to worry about being mauled by a bear with no way to protect themselves. Unbelievable. 😠
I have watched many of your videos and find them to be very educational I am from Ontario and enjoy shooting firearms and hunting my question is have you done a video about the topic of being able to carry a restricted pistol in the wilderness if you’re a trapper or a prospectors license There is a special license that you have to apply for through the CFO I looked and I didn’t see you had any videos on that if you make one I would be very interested in that knowledge
Hey Ian, I live an hour south of Calgary so I was thinking you would know what’s up. I passed my PAL test in March and sent the license application in. The government has cashed the cheque but it’s been like 8 months
FYI, water makes things *MUCH* worse, it allows the spray to move around the entire eyeball, and carries the spray into places it normally can't get to. Wipe it away the best you can with a towel or clothing (that wasn't sprayed), and wait it out... do your best to keep keep your breathing consistent. Don't panic... unless you have respiratory issues, you'll just be uncomfortable for 20-40 minutes. Side note... the spicier food you enjoy eating, the less effective bear spray is on a person. Also, most people that have been sprayed multiple times can become almost immune to it's effects, so never rely on bear spray to stop someone.
Lol too true. But you have to shower eventually... and it burns all over again. Not as bad, but it's a hell of an unpleasant suprise if you're not careful where the runoff goes...
I want to know if eating very spicy foods makes it less effective i enjoy ghost pepper sauces that people say is pure fire and poison but just tastes spicy. This would be a good mythbusters episode
@@dicekar sounds like we have our first volunteer... Lol. No evidence to back this up, but I do think it helps your tolerance, just because you're used to that kind of suck. Especially if you've accidentally gotten pepper on your skin/eyes before.
@@starkraft2506 i payed a lot for lazer surgery on my eyes so i would have to pass. Maybe my pain tolerance is higher but its hard to isolate my love for spicy food and the effects of pepper spray.
I carry dog/coyote spray all the time. It saved me and my family from a dog attack, I've had dogs run at me right in front of my home by some idiot with an off leash pitbull, dogs coming off their lawns at us when we're out for walks in the country etc, etc, etc.... I'm not planning on getting mauled because of stupid Canadian law. So I'm glad for this ruling, but we all know some cops, politicians, or courts love to punish people by arresting them. Nice to see there was a decent judge who actually knows something about life in the world of regular people.e
I really hope you talk more about current law about self defense. Good to know what's not legal before hand so god forbid I get into that situation, I can think a bit about making it easier on myself legally. Like not going for bear spray to avoid charges like that.
guaranteed the crown will offer a criminal reduced sentencing to cooperate with indicting you for daring to defend your life. "Self-defense is above the law." Even though self-defense is supposed to be one of our rights, police insist Human Rights only apply AFTER we are arrested. The process will be the punishment after you sell your home to pay for lawyers and lose your job for having to be in court for 10 years. Then they drop the charges and leave us without any way to sue them for losses.
Interesting that you imply I could get in hot water for having bear spray in a vehicle that is being driven in a city center. I keep a can in the center console of my Jeep, as I may wish to carry it when in the woods and by leaving it there it will not be forgotten. Likewise, many of my employer's company trucks have cans in them, as our clients will insist we have it while on site. I think both I and our clients are using sound logic by carrying it. I take both my Jeep and these company trucks into major city centers (Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, etc) on a regular basis, but I have never considered that the presence of bear spray could be interpreted for a use dangerous to the public, nor would I have thought that a LEO would push this matter as vehicles are capable of traveling great distances in short periods of time and while there may be no bears in downtown Vancouver (other than when there is, they do have a problem with habituated bears) it is not unreasonable that within a few hours drive I may be in a place where there is and carrying bear spray would be advised.
I think in those cases you tell them "I go out of town quite often for work to rural areas where there are predator animals, and it's a part of my PPE" and you "should" be fine.
I do as well but it's in the cup holder of a rear door. I am single and the only occupant of the vehicle so it stays there. I am in the "bush" often on days off and don't want to forget it at home.
I was the victim of a home invation a few days ago and had my nose broken along with other injuries. The RCMP is handling it and have this person. My question is if I just happen to have this in my home and use it if this happened again. Would I be within the law?
No! You’d be in jail unless you were able to “justify” and “prove” the use of force like the invador having a knife or a some tool. Always have a camera at the door(front/backdoor and halway/corridors of main and basement. Stupid laws in Canada encourages thiefs to enter homes because they are protected even if they have guns pointed at you… avoidance and deterance are highly recommended than anything else! No one would want to live with the idea of killing someone even if it was for self defense! Veterans PTSD is just a proof
"unintended" use/spelling of the word "intended" My pet peeve in dealing with technical problems is missing or misspelled words rendering the visible and obvious interpretation contrary Eg. a statement with the unfortunate missing modifier word "not"
I was talking to someone on a firearm forum and he mentioned that he works at an outdoor/sport equipment shop. They were having issues sellimg bear spray to patrons because the police usually comes to question and the product they sold were used in robbery. So they have indoor policy now where, someone shifty comes in, oh, the bear spray soldout. Female patrons come in looking like they don't do outdoor stuff at all, sorry all sold out. Not saying this policy work but the number of times police comes in has reduced significantly. Princess auto do sell high pitch alarm that once it's activated, it could emit high decibel up to (120) which can cause perm hearing damage if you shut it off. This might be another option for self defense. Also, it might not be significant, you can't carry stuff on your for self defense, but If it's some junk items on side of the road, you can totally use it to your advantage as well.
How many ads do you need on your videos? I think this video had a double digit number of ads in a 36 min video which would put the frequency of ads to be about every 3 mins or so.
I didn't stick around for all 36 minutes, but if a weak Canadian can't defend him or herself from a stronger, meaner, angrier, Canadian, Canada is f'd up far worse than I thought. Glad we have the 2A in USA.
Part of the kit for Riding duel sports out in The mountains and area. Excellent to know how to approach the topic as I seem to draw al lot of attention 😅 👍
There would be no case at all if Ericson hadn't tried to injure Roberts with the kicking of the car door closed on his leg. How is it possible that Ericson got off scot free?
a cop once told me wasp spray is the best for self defence it sprays up to 25 feet and if you get it in the eyes it burns like hell and need emergency room treatment
That would increase its damage level from non-lethal, to possibly lethal or causing permanent-type damages wouldn't it? Like people who go around disfiguring others with acid because they might have glanced at someone.
@@roncheaters i've had a hint of it blow in my face cause of a wind gust and it burned for hours and my eye sight is still 20-20 and I'm 40 must of fixed some cataracts lmfao id did hurt like hell
My question is one of wording. Self defense vs self protection. 1980s US law firm noted that : 1 - self defense is and includes training in how to. 2 - self protection you just did something to stop the attack, but have not trained in this area.
I read through the case myself and followed along with you, am I missing something here? Were Eriksen and Profeit seriously acquitted of all charges? I don't see how that works, the conflict was all, but over until Eriksen kicked Mr. Roberts truck door and then possibly pushed him, Roberts restraining Eriksen makes sense (5'7 vs 6'3, jeez) I just don't understand how Eriksen walks away from that.
@Cipheiz had Roberts replied "no it would not have been possible for me to break his arm or otherwise seriously injure him" things may have went differently.
@@TheWolfsnack for sure, it is a well known fact, i am shocked the cops even charged them, the cops and court let them go or a small slap on the rist, out of fear of that band coming down on them as being races as is the case all the time here. i had one fraud me of over 10k in Aug 2016, in spit of me supplying all the canceled checks, testaments from our terminal showing she was doing refunds from our terminal to her debit card, to this day the Thunder bay Ont police have done shit.. never even talked to her, every time i called to see were things are at, i was told, oh i am the only one that handles these cases and i have been really busy, but i will get to her, here it is Nov 2020 and nothing been done, and we are out over 10k
When you buy bear spray these days you sign a contract saying that if you use bear spray on a person, it will be considered an illegal weapon in a court of law, maybe this differs depending on the province but I think not...
Thanks for posting the alternative viewpoints. I don’t know about this particular video but I know on videos Massad Ayoob has done under the Wilson Combat banner, he has received quite a lot of ‘pushback’ for advocating having a dialogue (any dialogue) with law enforcement before you have engaged a defense lawyer to represent you. Quickly perusing the video comments section will show numerous Americans rejecting his advice along this line. And virtually every defense attorney highly recommends against saying anything to police other than identifying yourself and perhaps stating the obvious, that you were in fear for your life. Fortunately for the police, most Americans lack the self-discipline to STFU❗️
You can learn the hard or the easy way not to get into a punching contest with people who spend half their waking hours tossing around massive bales of hay haha.
Please do a video on dog spray if used against a multiple attackers. If the person using it argued that they had a fear of dogs/coyotes but found themselves threatened or attacked by multiple people and used the dog spray in self defence. I lived in an area where a coyote was prowling and ended up killing a neighbour’s cat. I bought dog spray just in case. Separately a group of strikers attacked some coworkers of mine (I wasn’t there) but I’ve wondered if I had used the dog spray to defend myself and my coworkers would I have had legal trouble.
If they were scabbing across a picket line for the company than 🤷🏼 . If you brought dog spray into that scenario and used it to defend yourself you'd have a much harder case I'd think. You'd have to prove there was a danger of coyotes or attacking dogs on the way from your car or bus stop to your work.
hmm! Can't pick up a firearm for self-defense at home . . . no Bear spray, after this weekend, no Katana Swords . . . I guess i'll keep a tactical spoon by my night table . . .
Dude... Two words... Dry chemical fire extinguisher 'Bout 2kg No one is going to call that a weapon Until you fill someone's eyes with a blast of powder from 3m away then knock their teeth out with the canister And....you might even use it On a fire
If you're defending yourself at your bedside from a real attacker with potentially violent intentions (i.e. to harm you or your family while you're in your own home), I think you'd be legally justified in using bear spray if not more potentially lethal options to defend yourself. That's my 2 cents based on something that was once known as the "castle doctrine" from what I understand. In any case, public policy aside, self-defense is self-defense and you should not be a victim if you can help it.
@@a-aronw1186 , not so simple, the assaillant must be armed (or you should be leave that he is armed), he can’t be running away or turning his back to you. There is a court case that is making it’s way in the cour system and the question is not so simple. I think it’s one of first of Ian’s video’s
I'm sorry.. I have to quote a movie "I'm cut your heart out with a spoon" "Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?" "Because it's DULL, you twit, it'll hurt more."
As a older person who hikes alone in the vicinity of coyotes and occasional cougars, travelling and practicing with bear spray and noise making non lethal reloading cartridge startle devices are comforting, as is a walking stick, water, sweater, flashlight and cell phone. Would personally prefer a camp style sidearm but a carry permit is hard to obtain.
I have seem some "bear" spray attached in small containers on women's keychain here in Victoria. Not many bears around here.. and small container probably might be enough to fend off a bear. The girls i talked to about their key chain accessory basically admitted its for the two legged animals. I usually gave them a warning that make sure its a last resort.. cause you could get a lot of legal trouble.
I have a same little spray container on a lanyard with a whistle. It hangs around my neck. It's coyote deterent. I hike with my dog. In my former town, bold foxes and occasionally coyotes wander right in the neighborhood. I had 2 foxes approach me and my dog late one evening while out walking. I didn't have the deterrent with me but I had to smack a stick on the ground and yell to deter them approaching. I take it hiking and camping also. I now live where black bears are known in my neighborhood. I often see scat. I won't hesitate to use it for any reason if necessary.
I don't know if it was covered, but a few years ago I was doing this wasp nest eradication thing. Not my best hour, I managed to get wind drifted spray in my eyes, and did a lot of searches online for first aid. I came across US law that said that it is illegal to use a spray for anything not covered on the label, or for which it was designed (not sure which). No idea about Canada, but conceptually, it could be illegal to spray a bear with wasp spray, and vice versa, let alone a human. And bear spray is a lot harder on humans than the legal sprays that are designed for use on humans, at least by legend.
Can barbed fish hooks be sold in Canada? It seems they are illegal to use? It seems you can't just buy fish hooks with out buying a plethora of machinists tools as well
one factor that may be relevant.......as an employee of Northwestel (the phone company in the northern territories) i was issued Bear Spray as i regularly encountered Bears at or near remote work locations i was required to sign a document which clearly indicated the product would not be used against humans my understanding was this was not an internal "company document" but conditional to any and all people who were in possession of Bear Spray as such would any use against a fellow human be some kind of violation ??
I'm now living in real bear country, right in town in the Columbia Valley. Like Salmo, sometimes we have more bears than people around IN TOWN. But when I lived in Alberta bear spray was actually illegal almost everywhere, so you have to check on Provincial differences, even if you're in Whitecourt, Ab. (large and larger grizzly country and easilly pissed off moose. )
Bear spray is not illegal in Alberta. I live in the province and am frequently in K-Country or Banff. My bear spray and big ass knife hang on the back of my vehicle seat. Never had issues at traffic stops.
My brother and I were attacked by a group of people in our building , a neighbour and his friends. We defended ourselves unarmed and were almost able to make an escape when they emptied a can of bear spray on me. The whole building had to be evacuated. All charges were dropped because they are natives and gay. The judge assumed we attacked them , turned us into the bad guys. There was 40 people in total in that fight and just my brother and I. In Canada our Judges award violent racists and punish victims. So my new motto in life is , I will not hurt nobody as long as they don't hurt me and if they hurt me screw the rules I just want to get away if I have to defend myself to their death its on them not me. I'll do the time. Proudly.
Thank you for sharing. I am disappointed to note that the fact that Mr. Roberts had turned and was getting in his truck to move it was not taken into consideration and that Mr. Eriksen had tried to kick the truck door closed on him. If he had not done this, then it would have been over with. That makes Eriksen the aggressor. Eriksen was also the one who called for the bear spray to be used. I am sure if they had used it on him at that time. Mr. Roberts would have also gotten a beat down. Thank you very much for sharing.
You remind me of the scene in "The Cowboys," when Bruce Dern calls John Wayne an old man. The old cowboy replies, "Yeah, I'm 30 years older than you are. Had my back broke once and my hip twice, and on my worst day I could beat the hell outta you."
John-Paul Silke With that kind of attitude you must have also been a parent ! Lol Pricks like me always have the backs of the Crunchy old gentlemen ! I too have always worked with my hands so I'm pickin up what you're throwing down patting them on the back saying you ok son ? Son didn't you know you shouldn't mess with Crunchy older gentlemen ? Peace . Clint Eastwood style !
@@colind7678 me? I’m quick to forgive and walk away. But I am using the internet and I am fairly tough so apt. But I think you meant it derogatorily. There’s nothing wrong with being tough and there is also nothing wrong with being sensitive and dare I say “soft”. We need all types and fair amount of tolerance.
Mr Runkle, Could you do a video about flashlights and the use of shining a flashlight for defense purpose? Not the methodology or choosing a flashlight, but the legal aspects.
Same thing; I had a drill in my hand BEFORE my neighbour attacked me. I used the drill, ALREADY in my hand to neutralize him. I'm charged with "assault with a DEALDY weapon".
I was interested in this - but I bailed when it appeared you were going to READ the entire summary. A five to ten minute video on this with YOUR opinion and summary would have been much preferred. And your audio is loaded with artifacts dude!
Cannot please everybody! >>>I, truly enjoyed this video, as had you watched the entire content, you would have understood the reasoning for all of it's contents. >>>Sorry that you missed-out!
"I carry this to ward off bears."
"But there's no bears anywhere near here."
"Exactly."
must be working then. I'd rather have it and not need it, than have a bear find me and need it but not have it. Around here we regularly sight coyotes and there's nothing we can do about them. What's the point in calling animal control after somebody loses a child to one? We should be able to protect ourselves without this over-regulation.
@@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 Most of us sane people dont get how we are can defend outselves but not allowed any tools of self-defence. Criminals get the free rein but law-abiding get injured; government DOES NOT care.
@@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 The same mentality behind ones inability to protect themselves from human threats. You can't use weapons to protect yourself because after you've been injured, humiliated or worse the Police can assist!
Why doesn't anyone consider the fact that the people blocked the guy's driveway? They initiated the conflict by intentionally harassing/obstructing their neighbour. I'd be angry too if someone blocked my driveway and it's NOT an accident when somebody does that. It's deliberate. It sounds like the people with the vehicle were the aggressors here. They wanted to create a conflict and they got one. I'd charge them with harassment and with initiating this altercation.
@@taekwondotime Chill guy!
Many years ago I was charged with causing bodily harm when I was defending myself. I had to do community service, go to group therapy Consequently I am very apprehensive of defending myself at all. I used to be proud of being a Canuck but really all we are is cucks because we are expected to bleed, back down an apologize.
Had I fought it I would likely have won in principle but lost my career job. That is Canadian Justice for you
i've never got into a fight in adulthood.. luckily.. but that's exactly how my school troubles went. i would get the same punishment as the bully that started the fight. like.. what?
why would you be proud of being a soy boy ?
r/cucknadia
Because you didn't sue.
Hard to comment with little info . Kid threw a crabapple and you knocked him on the head with a cinder block?
Wasp spray works for self defense as well. Keep it in your car in case a bee wants to sting you and steal your ride.
Nasty stuff to get in your eyes. In the US it is illegal to use those sprays for anything they are not certified for. Kinda like a drugs prohibition in concept where drugs are great, but they are only approved for certain uses. So if you spray someone with wasp spray, it is not an approved use, and it is illegal from the get go. Not sure how that compares in Canada. And then you have all the legal issues I am not qualified to talk about. But it might get sticky if your plan from the get go was perceived to be to use an illegal product for the considered use.
@@HondoTrailside they are here too, Runkle has a video about it.
For anyone reading this comment. Wasp spray is legally equivalent to throwing acid at someone. It would be considered grievous bodily harm (like shooting and not killing), unlike OC/pepper spray which does not permanently injure someone.
So if you are carrying wasp spray, consider it basically like carrying around a bottle of acid, you better only use it in DIRE circumstances otherwise you're going to jail. You can't throw acid on someone for beefing you in a bar or even throwing a punch on the street.
Knuckleheads around here like to use brake-clean to get your attention. Administering a noxious substance is the usual CC charge.
My shepherd is as good as wasp spray. She's always cracking off.. it's totally debilitating I tell ya. 😆
If the guy was just charged with regular assault, for kicking the door, then it would likely have gone through.
That's a failure on the Crown's end.
I can't tell if you're 25 or 55 years old.
I cant tell if he's John Cusack or not
This man is a mystery
🤣🤣
Probably in between
Same problem here
I don’t consider it to be an emergency situation when you’ve escalated an argument by kicking the car door and then call for the spray immediately once the other guy is tougher.
Yea seem more like it was the reason for having it in the first place. It is sad the judge did not figure that out.
Anybody that gets out of their car is free game. Forfeited their breathing rights the second they decided to act aggressive.
that the part i dont under stand, there is law that says if the so called ofender is walking away and you go after him/her n self defense, your in the wrong and guilty, the guy was getting in his truck when the other guy kicked his door, witch that driver acted in self defence, but again the 2 that were charged by there names, seems like natives, it is a well known fact the court let them walk or a small slap on the wrist, out of fear of attacks from bands crying out races, this persom was blocking his drive way, and they started a fight, when all they had to do is move there truck, my self i dont look for the owner, i hook a chain on and drag it out..
That's just law man, exploiting loopholes to make as much money as possible, little justice with snakes in the pit
@@vhsprojektblue4221 Remember reasonable doubt. It is reasonable that someone out fishing might bring along bear spray.
Bear spray, Canada is very confused as a nation. I drove from USA into Canada and they took the Bear Spray at the Border they said it was illegal and a weapon. So no Bear Spray from the USA. So we get into Baniff and the signs on the hiking trails said 'You must take Bear Spray to hike. So we went to town bought the same brand bear spray that they took at the Border. Just the price of traveling in Canada with too much government that is not coordinated and too many rules & laws . In case you think this is Yankee talking I am a Canadian.......
ye, our laws are retarded. did you clarify that it was for hiking? i mean, they ask you your destination so they must have known you were going to Baniff..
same in Japan: knives are illegal to import into Japan, yet it's a "sword" culture!!!
@@thedwightguy Japanese men have been separate from the sword for far too long lol
Nobody said a person has to be particularly bright to work as a L.E.O. of any type.
A Criminal Life in Canada is like Heaven for criminals because people can't even throw dirt into the eyes of a robber as you'll be charged for causing harm or injuring the criminal.
provided the criminal is of color, frirnss with cops, they tend to get away with whatever.
I remember hearing somewhere to carry a baseball bat in your trunk for self- defence, but to make sure you have a baseball glove as well so that you can't be charged with carrying it for intent to harm
And Ball.
Reminds me of the adage "If you keep a baseball bat in the trunk of your car, do your lawyer a favour and keep a glove there too."
Does raise the question of what good is a baseball bat in the trunk of your car. Maybe if you sell out of your car... I knew this guy who had a semi auto in a locked gym locker in his garage (no access from inside his house). He had these stories in his head about people coming over the back fence. And somehow he figured that if he was attacked he would get to his gun. Best not to go to jail for fantasy scenarios. It's a care, park it where you can drive away. In the movies the guy with the bat in his car is either a thug, or he sees a fight and mixes in.
Also fetching a bat from your trunk makes it look like you had plenty of time to leave the scene(unless its certain specific scenarios)
I have a big "apple peeling" knife in my car
@@smudent2010 is it wrong i want the victim to win?? Like what is going on. Peel away bud.. This is ridiculous. They want victims it seems..
7:21 "Both of these guys are now covered in bear spray, not having a great day". Straight face.
I have a can of bear spray in my truck along with other off-road gear at all times, as I often go on back roads. Additionally, I live in a municipality where there are bears that have been known roam the streets. It is unreasonable for the law to make ‘assumptions’ that self defense from bears is a ‘planned’ event, therefore I should not be prepared to encounter them at all times, even if I drive to a downtown location with the spray in my truck. That’s like saying you should only be carrying a spare tire when you need a spare tire.
Additionally, self defense of you or your loved ones can be required. That event of the need for bodily defense is not exclusively defined in ‘harm to body’ terms as being easily divisible AT THE TIME OF AN EMERGENCY between a bear or a person. There really is no ‘change of use’ of a bear spray for emergency defense. Defense of family and self is not easily altered by legal maneuvering. In other words, both defense of person from an animal or a person both share the same ultimate results. Danger. It is always a good idea to call wildlife authorities to deal with a bear running at you to rip you apart, instead of using bear spray, just as it is to call 911 when a person is running at you with a sharp object, but in real life terms, you’d still be dead or mangled if you don’t defend yourself.
In Canada, we elect individuals from our community to represent us. When they make laws we disagree on, or laws that result in unreasonable prosecutions, WE need to ALL speak up to our elected representatives that they are required to alter those laws as directed by us, the majority. Speak out! And finally, this is NOT LEGAL ADVISE. Just my opinion. What’s yours?
Always thought it was pretty dumb that you can legally defend yourself in Canada but yet the Canadian Government won't let you own or carry non-lethal tools so that you can defend yourself against other people 🤷🏻♂️
You can carry tools for the intended utilitarian purpose of the tool, You can carry sporting goods for the purpose of sports. And by law you can use a weapon in self defence. By law you cannot arm yourself with any weapon for self protection. If you need a box cutter to open your amazon packages you can have one in your purse for this purpose. If you are afraid of getting bitten by a large dog on your walk in the ravine you can have bear spray to ward off aggressive attacking dogs or wildlife. If you are tiny and/or vulnerable, but you like to go on long solo walks in the ravine you can walk better and climb rugged hills with a walking stick. NEVER carry any weapons for the purpose of self defence from humans in Canada, that is a serious criminal offence because it is a “danger to the public peace”.
@@trevorkolmatycki4042 this is sick and stupid. Hate my snowflake country 😂
It makes sense because :1) They have no idea who you really are and what you are really up to. In the case of police, they assume that if they carry a taser, it is to be used instead of their pistol. It isn't non-lethal, it is less lethal. It is within a force continuum. If the person carrying it tasers kids then tortures them and kills them, the taser is totally different in those hands; 2) Police receive training with the device which a) should mean they use them responsibly, and they have other force options if they get themselves in too deep for a taser, or need less than a taser; b) police also have a huge record of abusing tasers, all of a sudden they are zapping kids who talk back, or old people to save them form hurting themselves; so you don't want the public to use them (or knives, or clubs, etc...). Do we need more widely distributed electro torture devices. 3) while it sucks, in a place like Canada where it is as safe as anywhere on earth, particularly considering the level of freedom, it makes it possible for the police to arrest anyone carrying weapons. You don't need weapons in most communities. Sorta sucks since we are so responsible, but that is the way the authorities like it. There are levels of risk in society where it is better to make the job easier for the police. I have relatives in NI and a lot of people, just generically are on hit lists there. You never knew when you opened a door whether you would get shot. That is a place where a lot of average people needed guns. Canada not so much.
Mr Runkle thank you for your insight into a very confusing issue in Canada, self defence.
A series of videos delving into aspects of Canadian self-defense laws would be great.
Do we have any?
@@nomangreybeard535 On the books, yes... but in practice not really.
We really have no right to self defence in Canada. You can not own any weapon for self defence. You can own things that seem like a weapon, but you can't announce you own it or that purpose. You are supposed to just give up your wallet or take the beating.
A woman fending of a rapist with bear spray could be charged.
@@joeshmoe7967 WOW DAMN REALLY? Here in the states, a woman can do just about anything necessary to defenf herself. Women here can carry pepper spray, mace, taser to start with for self defense. In states like Arizona and Texas, you can carry a MECHETE and or a SWORD! I kid you not! But than again, the states is not a reasonable country to live in.
Yeah for example if the police stops me while driving, do I have to hand over my driver's license?
Hello Ian. Is there anything a Canadian citizen could legally carry/ keep at hand for the purpose of self defense or did we somehow lose that basic human right? Your videos are fantastic, thanks.
I dont think Ian will answer this one.
You can carry anything that's legal to carry for self-defence just dont tell anyone. The politicians, cops and the courts have their heads backwards.
From what I've read it's illegal to possess any object with the *intent* of using it to defend yourself from a human.
If you beat an attacker with a feather duster, then you've used a weapon on them, though that right is protected if it was found that you used it reasonably in self defense.
However, if you noted to others that "I'm carrying this feather duster to defend against any potential attackers," then you've committed a crime.
@Cipheiz This is what I just love about government (heavy sarcasm). It's illegal for possession of certain items or doing certain activities unless you give them money (fees, permits, licenses). When money has exchanged hands, everything is ok.
@@Fireguy97 I can pay a nominal fee for a concealed carry permit. Problem is they dont want it.
@Cipheiz Then why do you live in Canada?
Thank you. You really take the time to read your followers comments. What can we do to make sure that you keep kn doing what you're doing.
I try to, but I do get a bit overwhelmed--which is a good problem to have.
i am shocked he didnt say join.. pay your dues
I like your idea downtown Toronto carry spray paint around. It's for a art project.
Too bad there was no video of this. Mr Robert's is Badass
How crazy is it that it’s illegal to prepare yourself with the weapon (section 88) for a perfectly lawful purpose (section 34 self defense)!!
You are king
That's Canadian Law for you.
Eriksen was the one who took things from verbal to physical AFTER Roberts thought the issue was resolved and was leaving the scene and I'm wondering why that was not factored in.
Roberts NEVER should have admitted he could have broken Eriksen's wrist if he wanted to.
Less commercials would be great but thank you sir for helping us understand this information
It is illegal for a citizen to be "prepared" for an attack. If one occurs and you had the forethought to arm yourself to defend yourself - you are a criminal. The police would rather deal with your corpse than the assailants.
Sounds about right, it is often about connivence. It sounds like we don’t have the right to defend ourself, if you do you are charge . And often it is easy to charge a victim since they call the police and tell the story. They admit they defended them self .
Yeah..... unless you're a security guard, haul bags of money around, guard a jewelry store, bodyguard, private investigator or you get threatened by the hell angels or some other REALLY dangerous gang/mafia types and have a contract out on you (in which case you go through the ATC process).
@@greenyoshi777Is ATC police protection? I don’t think concealed carry of guns exists at all in Canada
@@azaria5419 Yes it absolutely does. calibremag DOT ca has an article on it. Search: "Can I carry a firearm for self defence in Canada?"
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I live in an area where there are many bears (even coming into town). It is encouraged and very common to carry bear spray here. No one would ever be charged with carrying it here as you have legitimate reason to do so.
We're getting more and more coyotes coming into Saskatoon, I've lived in neighbourhoods the city put metal sandwich boards warning us about them, and they've started getting bold enough to scavenge outside Costco when it's busy AF because xmas, and coyote spray is sold in town here. I've been thinking of getting some
police: why are you carrying bear spray!
me: oh that's for my wife nagging at me inside our car
I seen this and wondered "Why is John Cusack discussing Canadian law?"
Hey man, not cool blowing my secret identity.
This conflict is comedy gold. Everyone gets the bear spray.
spent years with bear spray in a black nylon case on the handlebars of my adventure motorcycle, travelled to Mexico, baja, yukon, panama, alaska all places in between. Only once did US border agent when I was coming from Mexico mention it, but never had any one ever seem to notice it otherwise. I never had to use it I also hike in BC often carrying it when alone, have seen many bears, they always went the other way. One never knows.
Carcross is a spectacular mountain biking destination, and Wayne Roberts hand built a significant portion of the trails including "Mountain Hero", a massive 30km loop that takes 6 hours to bike. He was a tough as nails mountain man in the truest sense, "did not appear to need any help" gave me a laugh.
I was always confused by the prohibited weapons language. It seems to classify things like circular saw blades and jump ropes as prohibited weapons (i.e shuriken & nunchaku.) I suppose that, like bear spray, it all boils down to intent while carrying? Love your channel!
Pretty much. If you are carrying bear spray to use on an aggressive animal but a person assaults you and you use the bear spray on them, it’s fine. But if you admit to carrying the bear spray to use on someone who assaults you you can be charged which is fucking stupid. So just lie!
@@Beelzebubby91 exactly, my daughter carries coyote spray because she walks home alone from work sometimes and she has been confronted by a big deer and we can hear the coyotes. If someone tries to attack her, she has my full backing to use it as self-defence. For legal purposes.. I never said that and it can't be used in a court of law.
I will never understand why some jurisdictions (Canada, New York city for example) ban self defense devices. If you use pepper spray to fend off an attacker, how is that a danger to the public? Yes, you could use pepper spray to incapacitate someone before robbing them but you could also carry a can of oven cleaner spray and use it for self defense or offence. Oven cleaner would not be illegal to carry but using it on a human would would do horrible and permanent damage.
Yep. We're sick and tired of governments crying wolf. We've heard you cry wolf and there hasn't been a wolf the last thousand times y'all cried wolf!!!
This is my first time that I happened to see one of your videos, and I was very much impressed by your personality, as you seem to be a very calm, approachable and emphatic individual, and I must command you, as you are an excellent communicator and enunciator, giving very sound advice. >>> "Thank You" for your public service, and I am looking forward to viewing your other videos.
My son was putting something in his trunk when he got hit with pepper spray. Blinded he grabbed the assailant and began to punch him about the head and shoulders.
A neighbor called the police as this was happening and the assailant escaped by getting out of his hockey jersey.
The police stopped the guy as they knew he was shirtless now and hooked him up and stuffed him in the back of the cruiser.
They brought him back to the scene. It was a boyfriend of a girl that also was my son’s friend with benefits.
By this time my son could see again the cops arrived with her boyfriend. My son was laughing so hard from seeing how badly he had beat him up and asked them not to arrest him.
Thank you ! I just subscribed few days ago and I'm learning so much from your channel. Thank you !
Carcross is on the road to Skagway, AK. The only bearing that might have on the case is that there are definitely brown bears thereabouts, possibly even in town.
Carcross is 73 kms south of Whitehorse on the Klondike Hwy. The population can't be much more than those few people fishing on that bridge. And you can expect to run into bears anywheres in Yukon; even in Whitehorse there are warning signs posted on city trails.
The can of bear spray in your hand is a bit of a spoiler :)
not really, he could have printed a label an stuck it on any can
I’m with John Cusack on this one folks. 😊
We have no right to self defence in Canada.
Not really, you always have the natural right to defend yourself. However, fighting is always illegal in Canada unless it's in the context of a sport (martial arts/boxing.) Since you have to fight to defend yourself, you're automatically charged with a serious crime and it's up to the judge to decide to dismiss the charges against you.
It becomes extremely serious if you use an item (any item at all, not just ones intended to be weapons) to fight with, and if you use a firearm to defend yourself you're now in the SHIT OF YOUR LIFE and will be on "police watch" (targeted individual, full-time surveillance in your own home) for the rest of your life, IF you don't go to prison.
There are many situations that are legal.
@@thomasbeckett1245 ya, if you bring a knife to a gun fight.
@@devilsoffspring5519 i assure anyone who invades my living space i have many many things to use to see to their expedient exit of such space .
Your right to defend yourself and/or others from unlawful force is literally codified in section 34 of the Criminal Code:
_34 (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if_
_(a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;_
_(b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and_
_(c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances._
Awesome instant karma cop story here, and it's PERFECT for this video:
My late husband was at a 420 legalization protest before it was legal here in Ontario and got stopped and frisked by a cop who was parked nearby waiting to descend on any humble stoners leaving the event(as they might likely have been consuming or in possession of cannabis or other things). Well this cop made a big mistake. Several actually.
First, he was a total Ahole to my late husband who was a very nice man and had important information to tell the officer about the vial of unlabeled white powder he would end up finding in my late hubby's backpack.
Second, he based his next decisions on his own ASSUMPTION of what was contained in that little vial of white powder and refused to dignify my hubby by allowing him to explain anything or "give excuses"/"talk his way out of it".
Third, he opted not to do any paperwork for the detainment and seizure of the goods, and "let my hubby off with a warning" like a "nice guy".
Now idk if Runkle or my fellow lawtube viewers knows what it means when an officer confiscates what he believes to be a controlled substance and opts not to file paperwork regarding the seizure.... Spoilers: It means that officer may have some unconventional plans for "disposing" of the seized goods.
My late hubby was fortunate enough to find out the next day, at least circumstantially, what likely happened next. Hubby was walking down the same sidewalk and got pulled over by the same cop, now with a suspicious looking bandage over his nasal pathways, who pulled up in an adjacent alleyway and called my hubby to the car. Mr. Power tripper gets out of his cruiser and proceeds to conduct an unannounced and aggressive "body pat down" and search through his backpack again whilst throwing all the contents violently to the ground around them. According to my hubby the cop just kept angrily repeating "You got any more of that STUFF?!". Eventually the cop gets his anger out and leaves.
What was the fourth mistake the cop made?
Well that would likely be, and we can only assume based on the sequence of events, probably snorting pure 99% capsicum powder under the belief that it was some other less painful party favor.
Your in Canada, you are not permitted to protect yourself
tell that to the 5 guys i bear sprayed a couple weeks ago.cops were called and it was self defence and they (the cops) dropped it.and if any of the 5 guys are reading this,i hope it hurt.alot.
@@edwardcote1331 Well be thankful the particular officers that showed up to the call had their own world views and morals, in that circumstance, siding with you and not taking this matter further.
@@edwardcote1331 If someone is committing a crime they deserve what they get.
@@edwardcote1331 cops saved you without you knowing that! You could’ve ended up doing community service as there is no such thing as self defense in Canada without a proof and justification for using force including bear spray
@@Mark300win
If you defend yourself unnecessarily and without justification, then that amounts to assault - so of course you're going to suffer a penalty.
Thank you for taking the time to make these informative videos.
Pepper spray is a micro pulverized powder suspended in aerosol. The powder in in your pores causes the irritation. Flooding with cool water without rubbing, which grinds in the powder, is the preferred decon.
I would have like to hear why the people that were fishing/charged, that had bear spray in case they encountered a bear, had the bear spray in their truck and not with them while they were fishing.
cause people forget shit? i bought bear spray for a motorcycle trip but didn't even bring it. someone forgetting to bring it from the truck isn't that unreasonable
Because it was a good excuse their lawyer found for them. Criminals know how to use the system.
@@kimpbay yes. People going fishing. Utterly disgusting that these social deviants think they can go for a few casts on the lake without having to worry about being mauled by a bear with no way to protect themselves. Unbelievable. 😠
Your chair makes it look like you have little bear ears
Trudeau has left Canadians totally defenseless. This is ridiculous. Better to be Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6!!!.
Great video! Its so important to understand our exceptionally complicated (to an average person) laws. Stay educated!
I have watched many of your videos and find them to be very educational I am from Ontario and enjoy shooting firearms and hunting my question is have you done a video about the topic of being able to carry a restricted pistol in the wilderness if you’re a trapper or a prospectors license
There is a special license that you have to apply for through the CFO I looked and I didn’t see you had any videos on that if you make one I would be very interested in that knowledge
Best quote ever: "Most people do not come out ahead from committing crimes."
Hey Ian, I live an hour south of Calgary so I was thinking you would know what’s up. I passed my PAL test in March and sent the license application in. The government has cashed the cheque but it’s been like 8 months
Have you tried phoning and asking about your application status?
Call and ask for an update. But right now they're slow on new applications.
its done on purpose they were told to slow down the process
Oh my goodness, baby Runkle 😂 maybe it's the hair
FYI, water makes things *MUCH* worse, it allows the spray to move around the entire eyeball, and carries the spray into places it normally can't get to. Wipe it away the best you can with a towel or clothing (that wasn't sprayed), and wait it out... do your best to keep keep your breathing consistent. Don't panic... unless you have respiratory issues, you'll just be uncomfortable for 20-40 minutes.
Side note... the spicier food you enjoy eating, the less effective bear spray is on a person. Also, most people that have been sprayed multiple times can become almost immune to it's effects, so never rely on bear spray to stop someone.
Lol too true. But you have to shower eventually... and it burns all over again. Not as bad, but it's a hell of an unpleasant suprise if you're not careful where the runoff goes...
@@starkraft2506 .....Milk is supposed to work, but stay bent forward, like at an industrial eye washing station. {factory; office;etc}
I want to know if eating very spicy foods makes it less effective i enjoy ghost pepper sauces that people say is pure fire and poison but just tastes spicy. This would be a good mythbusters episode
@@dicekar sounds like we have our first volunteer...
Lol. No evidence to back this up, but I do think it helps your tolerance, just because you're used to that kind of suck. Especially if you've accidentally gotten pepper on your skin/eyes before.
@@starkraft2506 i payed a lot for lazer surgery on my eyes so i would have to pass. Maybe my pain tolerance is higher but its hard to isolate my love for spicy food and the effects of pepper spray.
I carry dog/coyote spray all the time. It saved me and my family from a dog attack, I've had dogs run at me right in front of my home by some idiot with an off leash pitbull, dogs coming off their lawns at us when we're out for walks in the country etc, etc, etc.... I'm not planning on getting mauled because of stupid Canadian law. So I'm glad for this ruling, but we all know some cops, politicians, or courts love to punish people by arresting them.
Nice to see there was a decent judge who actually knows something about life in the world of regular people.e
Canada Is Soft On Crime, Take Advantage Of That And Carry What You Want To Carry.
I really hope you talk more about current law about self defense. Good to know what's not legal before hand so god forbid I get into that situation, I can think a bit about making it easier on myself legally. Like not going for bear spray to avoid charges like that.
guaranteed the crown will offer a criminal reduced sentencing to cooperate with indicting you for daring to defend your life. "Self-defense is above the law." Even though self-defense is supposed to be one of our rights, police insist Human Rights only apply AFTER we are arrested. The process will be the punishment after you sell your home to pay for lawyers and lose your job for having to be in court for 10 years. Then they drop the charges and leave us without any way to sue them for losses.
Can’t wait to watch this !!!
Interesting that you imply I could get in hot water for having bear spray in a vehicle that is being driven in a city center. I keep a can in the center console of my Jeep, as I may wish to carry it when in the woods and by leaving it there it will not be forgotten. Likewise, many of my employer's company trucks have cans in them, as our clients will insist we have it while on site. I think both I and our clients are using sound logic by carrying it. I take both my Jeep and these company trucks into major city centers (Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, etc) on a regular basis, but I have never considered that the presence of bear spray could be interpreted for a use dangerous to the public, nor would I have thought that a LEO would push this matter as vehicles are capable of traveling great distances in short periods of time and while there may be no bears in downtown Vancouver (other than when there is, they do have a problem with habituated bears) it is not unreasonable that within a few hours drive I may be in a place where there is and carrying bear spray would be advised.
I think in those cases you tell them "I go out of town quite often for work to rural areas where there are predator animals, and it's a part of my PPE" and you "should" be fine.
I do as well but it's in the cup holder of a rear door. I am single and the only occupant of the vehicle so it stays there. I am in the "bush" often on days off and don't want to forget it at home.
I didn’t think we could defend ourselves in Canada 😳
can we?
In hockey
I was the victim of a home invation a few days ago and had my nose broken along with other injuries. The RCMP is handling it and have this person. My question is if I just happen to have this in my home and use it if this happened again. Would I be within the law?
Good question
No! You’d be in jail unless you were able to “justify” and “prove” the use of force like the invador having a knife or a some tool. Always have a camera at the door(front/backdoor and halway/corridors of main and basement. Stupid laws in Canada encourages thiefs to enter homes because they are protected even if they have guns pointed at you… avoidance and deterance are highly recommended than anything else! No one would want to live with the idea of killing someone even if it was for self defense! Veterans PTSD is just a proof
"unintended" use/spelling of the word "intended"
My pet peeve in dealing with technical problems is missing or misspelled words rendering the visible and obvious interpretation contrary
Eg. a statement with the unfortunate missing modifier word "not"
How does Canada compare to the Australian gel blaster ban? Love the channel
I had to look this up and you just blew my mind. Canada is getting worse for the nanny state stuff but that's a WHOLE different level. What nonsense!
@@matthewspeller yeah the gel blaster thing is absurd. Thankyou for the nice words
I was talking to someone on a firearm forum and he mentioned that he works at an outdoor/sport equipment shop. They were having issues sellimg bear spray to patrons because the police usually comes to question and the product they sold were used in robbery. So they have indoor policy now where, someone shifty comes in, oh, the bear spray soldout. Female patrons come in looking like they don't do outdoor stuff at all, sorry all sold out. Not saying this policy work but the number of times police comes in has reduced significantly.
Princess auto do sell high pitch alarm that once it's activated, it could emit high decibel up to (120) which can cause perm hearing damage if you shut it off. This might be another option for self defense. Also, it might not be significant, you can't carry stuff on your for self defense, but If it's some junk items on side of the road, you can totally use it to your advantage as well.
Looks at my can of bear spray as I sit in my living room downtown toronto 😅😅
Really liked your conclusion and looking forward to the follow up
How many ads do you need on your videos? I think this video had a double digit number of ads in a 36 min video which would put the frequency of ads to be about every 3 mins or so.
I didn't stick around for all 36 minutes, but if a weak Canadian can't defend him or herself from a stronger, meaner, angrier, Canadian, Canada is f'd up far worse than I thought. Glad we have the 2A in USA.
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Well seeing as i can buy them in any sporting goods store, i would assume so!
Part of the kit for Riding duel sports out in The mountains and area. Excellent to know how to approach the topic as I seem to draw al lot of attention 😅 👍
*"For me, pepper, I put it on my plate."* - Former prime minister Jean Chrétien
There would be no case at all if Ericson hadn't tried to injure Roberts with the kicking of the car door closed on his leg. How is it possible that Ericson got off scot free?
This should be a podcast
a cop once told me wasp spray is the best for self defence it sprays up to 25 feet and if you get it in the eyes it burns like hell and need emergency room treatment
That may be something I'm testing a bit in a future video.
That would increase its damage level from non-lethal, to possibly lethal or causing permanent-type damages wouldn't it? Like people who go around disfiguring others with acid because they might have glanced at someone.
@@roncheaters i've had a hint of it blow in my face cause of a wind gust and it burned for hours and my eye sight is still 20-20 and I'm 40 must of fixed some cataracts lmfao id did hurt like hell
@@RunkleOfTheBaileyit’s a trap, the yellow jackets ( police) often use this conversation as a ruse to find the opinions of people they chat with.
It must be, people keep buying it using it at the Local Bar when it was open.
Bar I thought it was bear. Judge says acquitted!
My question is one of wording. Self defense vs self protection. 1980s US law firm noted that :
1 - self defense is and includes training in how to.
2 - self protection you just did something to stop the attack, but have not trained in this area.
I read through the case myself and followed along with you, am I missing something here?
Were Eriksen and Profeit seriously acquitted of all charges?
I don't see how that works, the conflict was all, but over until Eriksen kicked Mr. Roberts truck door and then possibly pushed him, Roberts restraining Eriksen makes sense (5'7 vs 6'3, jeez)
I just don't understand how Eriksen walks away from that.
@@kylenelson944 Yeah, I suppose if you went at it like that, that would make sense.
@Cipheiz had Roberts replied "no it would not have been possible for me to break his arm or otherwise seriously injure him" things may have went differently.
The conflict didn't end when the truck door was kicked. It would have ended if the guy didn't get out of the truck.
@@TheWolfsnack for sure, it is a well known fact, i am shocked the cops even charged them, the cops and court let them go or a small slap on the rist, out of fear of that band coming down on them as being races as is the case all the time here. i had one fraud me of over 10k in Aug 2016, in spit of me supplying all the canceled checks, testaments from our terminal showing she was doing refunds from our terminal to her debit card, to this day the Thunder bay Ont police have done shit.. never even talked to her, every time i called to see were things are at, i was told, oh i am the only one that handles these cases and i have been really busy, but i will get to her, here it is Nov 2020 and nothing been done, and we are out over 10k
The judge should have been sent back to chef school.
Let the records show that Mr. Roberts is a total badass
When you buy bear spray these days you sign a contract saying that if you use bear spray on a person, it will be considered an illegal weapon in a court of law, maybe this differs depending on the province but I think not...
you dont when you buy bear bangers and bear flares, bear banger fire a projectile of fire ball
Thanks for posting the alternative viewpoints. I don’t know about this particular video but I know on videos Massad Ayoob has done under the Wilson Combat banner, he has received quite a lot of ‘pushback’ for advocating having a dialogue (any dialogue) with law enforcement before you have engaged a defense lawyer to represent you. Quickly perusing the video comments section will show numerous Americans rejecting his advice along this line. And virtually every defense attorney highly recommends against saying anything to police other than identifying yourself and perhaps stating the obvious, that you were in fear for your life. Fortunately for the police, most Americans lack the self-discipline to STFU❗️
This has been a great lesson my friend
Little fella has mad skills.
Wise advice to not fight farmers as they have "real muscles" lol
You can learn the hard or the easy way not to get into a punching contest with people who spend half their waking hours tossing around massive bales of hay haha.
Happy to have found ur channel
Please do a video on dog spray if used against a multiple attackers. If the person using it argued that they had a fear of dogs/coyotes but found themselves threatened or attacked by multiple people and used the dog spray in self defence. I lived in an area where a coyote was prowling and ended up killing a neighbour’s cat. I bought dog spray just in case. Separately a group of strikers attacked some coworkers of mine (I wasn’t there) but I’ve wondered if I had used the dog spray to defend myself and my coworkers would I have had legal trouble.
If they were scabbing across a picket line for the company than 🤷🏼 . If you brought dog spray into that scenario and used it to defend yourself you'd have a much harder case I'd think. You'd have to prove there was a danger of coyotes or attacking dogs on the way from your car or bus stop to your work.
hmm! Can't pick up a firearm for self-defense at home . . . no Bear spray, after this weekend, no Katana Swords . . . I guess i'll keep a tactical spoon by my night table . . .
Dude...
Two words...
Dry chemical fire extinguisher
'Bout 2kg
No one is going to call that a weapon
Until you fill someone's eyes with a blast of powder from 3m away then knock their teeth out with the canister
And....you might even use it
On a fire
If you're defending yourself at your bedside from a real attacker with potentially violent intentions (i.e. to harm you or your family while you're in your own home), I think you'd be legally justified in using bear spray if not more potentially lethal options to defend yourself. That's my 2 cents based on something that was once known as the "castle doctrine" from what I understand. In any case, public policy aside, self-defense is self-defense and you should not be a victim if you can help it.
@@a-aronw1186 , not so simple, the assaillant must be armed (or you should be leave that he is armed), he can’t be running away or turning his back to you. There is a court case that is making it’s way in the cour system and the question is not so simple. I think it’s one of first of Ian’s video’s
I'm sorry.. I have to quote a movie "I'm cut your heart out with a spoon" "Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?" "Because it's DULL, you twit, it'll hurt more."
As a older person who hikes alone in the vicinity of coyotes and occasional cougars, travelling and practicing with bear spray and noise making non lethal reloading cartridge startle devices are comforting, as is a walking stick, water, sweater, flashlight and cell phone.
Would personally prefer a camp style sidearm but a carry permit is hard to obtain.
Mr Roberts a OG
Your videos are great. Very informative.
I have seem some "bear" spray attached in small containers on women's keychain here in Victoria. Not many bears around here.. and small container probably might be enough to fend off a bear. The girls i talked to about their key chain accessory basically admitted its for the two legged animals. I usually gave them a warning that make sure its a last resort.. cause you could get a lot of legal trouble.
I have a same little spray container on a lanyard with a whistle. It hangs around my neck. It's coyote deterent. I hike with my dog. In my former town, bold foxes and occasionally coyotes wander right in the neighborhood. I had 2 foxes approach me and my dog late one evening while out walking. I didn't have the deterrent with me but I had to smack a stick on the ground and yell to deter them approaching. I take it hiking and camping also. I now live where black bears are known in my neighborhood. I often see scat. I won't hesitate to use it for any reason if necessary.
9:05 I don't think this is legal advise per day but.... Very good advice never the less
What is the big difference between the 3.. bear, dog and people mace. Should my daughter carry bear mace instead of person mace?
I don't know if it was covered, but a few years ago I was doing this wasp nest eradication thing. Not my best hour, I managed to get wind drifted spray in my eyes, and did a lot of searches online for first aid. I came across US law that said that it is illegal to use a spray for anything not covered on the label, or for which it was designed (not sure which). No idea about Canada, but conceptually, it could be illegal to spray a bear with wasp spray, and vice versa, let alone a human. And bear spray is a lot harder on humans than the legal sprays that are designed for use on humans, at least by legend.
Can barbed fish hooks be sold in Canada? It seems they are illegal to use? It seems you can't just buy fish hooks with out buying a plethora of machinists tools as well
one factor that may be relevant.......as an employee of Northwestel (the phone company in the northern territories)
i was issued Bear Spray as i regularly encountered Bears at or near remote work locations
i was required to sign a document which clearly indicated the product would not be used against humans
my understanding was this was not an internal "company document" but conditional to any and all people who were in possession of Bear Spray
as such would any use against a fellow human be some kind of violation ??
What we need in Toronto area is Racoon, Fox, Skunk and Coywolf spay.
And Chow spray.
I'm now living in real bear country, right in town in the Columbia Valley. Like Salmo, sometimes we have more bears than people around IN TOWN. But when I lived in Alberta bear spray was actually illegal almost everywhere, so you have to check on Provincial differences, even if you're in Whitecourt, Ab. (large and larger grizzly country and easilly pissed off moose. )
Bear spray is not illegal in Alberta. I live in the province and am frequently in K-Country or Banff. My bear spray and big ass knife hang on the back of my vehicle seat. Never had issues at traffic stops.
My brother and I were attacked by a group of people in our building , a neighbour and his friends. We defended ourselves unarmed and were almost able to make an escape when they emptied a can of bear spray on me. The whole building had to be evacuated. All charges were dropped because they are natives and gay. The judge assumed we attacked them , turned us into the bad guys. There was 40 people in total in that fight and just my brother and I. In Canada our Judges award violent racists and punish victims. So my new motto in life is , I will not hurt nobody as long as they don't hurt me and if they hurt me screw the rules I just want to get away if I have to defend myself to their death its on them not me. I'll do the time. Proudly.
Thank you for sharing. I am disappointed to note that the fact that Mr. Roberts had turned and was getting in his truck to move it was not taken into consideration and that Mr. Eriksen had tried to kick the truck door closed on him. If he had not done this, then it would have been over with. That makes Eriksen the aggressor.
Eriksen was also the one who called for the bear spray to be used.
I am sure if they had used it on him at that time. Mr. Roberts would have also gotten a beat down.
Thank you very much for sharing.
Crunchy older gentleman who works with his hands is not the kind of guy I want to mess with. And I’m exactly that guy so I would know.
You remind me of the scene in "The Cowboys," when Bruce Dern calls John Wayne an old man. The old cowboy replies, "Yeah, I'm 30 years older than you are. Had my back broke once and my hip twice, and on my worst day I could beat the hell outta you."
John-Paul Silke With that kind of attitude you must have also been a parent ! Lol Pricks like me always have the backs of the Crunchy old gentlemen ! I too have always worked with my hands so I'm pickin up what you're throwing down patting them on the back saying you ok son ?
Son didn't you know you shouldn't mess with Crunchy older gentlemen ? Peace . Clint Eastwood style !
@@robhendricks5347 yes sir I have four children. I’m a huge fan of walking away when I can.
😂😂😂Another internet "tough guy"
@@colind7678 me? I’m quick to forgive and walk away. But I am using the internet and I am fairly tough so apt. But I think you meant it derogatorily. There’s nothing wrong with being tough and there is also nothing wrong with being sensitive and dare I say “soft”. We need all types and fair amount of tolerance.
Do you have a shortened version of anything you do? Like a bullet point presentation?
Mr Runkle,
Could you do a video about flashlights and the use of shining a flashlight for defense purpose? Not the methodology or choosing a flashlight, but the legal aspects.
Same thing; I had a drill in my hand BEFORE my neighbour attacked me. I used the drill, ALREADY in my hand to neutralize him. I'm charged with "assault with a DEALDY weapon".
I was interested in this - but I bailed when it appeared you were going to READ the entire summary. A five to ten minute video on this with YOUR opinion and summary would have been much preferred.
And your audio is loaded with artifacts dude!
Cannot please everybody! >>>I, truly enjoyed this video, as had you watched the entire content, you would have understood the reasoning for all of it's contents. >>>Sorry that you missed-out!
@@conradmorin1891 I didn't miss anything. Glad you enjoyed it.
I met a bear in the woods .I had no bear spray but let me tell you there was some spraying going on . He said his name was Marvin.
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