Casey and I painted different minis and had a different take on these paints! Objectively he's a better video maker and painter, so check out his video when you're done with this one :-) ua-cam.com/video/EpEKnujZF2I/v-deo.html
Don't underestimate yourself, you're highly skilled in both departments, Brent! Maybe it's your Swedish genes though, it's "jantelagen" coming through! (Approx. the notion you shouldn't brag about yourself)
Appreciate both your takes, I sit somewhere in the middle of you both as a painter (preferred techniques, not skill! Far below you both on that score.) so it's always fun to see which way I pull :)
Hi Brent. Thank you for taking the time to make this video, we are pleased that you liked the paints overall 😊 To answer some of your critiques, we will be adding more colours to the range such as greens, turquoise, brighter colours etc. We were only limited to 60 paints, so we went for the ones we use the most. As for the darker skin tones, we will most definitely be having this in the second wave (which we are currently finalizing now). Anyway, overall, we are glad you enjoyed using them 😊 Cheers, Dunc and Rog
@@breadpilled2587 id prefer if companies just dropped the convention of naming paints "flesh" or "skin" since none of them look like any type of skin at all without a lot of work and technique. It's just named that way for people without imaginations.
""As we were painting, we were chatting with the Asmodee reps. Asmodee is a huge company, and we all know that huge companies are evil. That being said, all of the reps were friendly, and knowledgeable, and great to hang out with. They even went to get us a roll of paper towels." LOL Thanks for another fun video!
That Dark Angel statue you two took a picture with @ 6:50 is probably the largest "conversion" I can take credit for. Back in about 2004, myself and the other GW employees from the former "Bunker" Store in Westminster CA, converted and repainted it as a Dark Angel. It started off as one of several fiber-glass Blood Angel statues that were issued to stores to draw in curious shoppers. Originally it had a blood drop flanked with wings in the center of its chest. We cut away the blood drop and replaced it with a sword to better match DA iconography. Others did most of the repainting, but I carved that sword with aquilla guard from a piece of balsa wood that we then covered with several coats of resin, and then re-glassed the rest of the drop shaped hole in it's chest. It's good to see it still kicking around, I hadn't seen it since it's reallocation when the LA Bunker was downsized.
On the naming - it's done so that the colours can be copyrighted/trade marked. GW realised back in the day that they couldn't stop other companies creating an "Ultramarine Blue" or "Scab Red" because they are common descriptive terms. They went through "The grand renaming" and out come "Caledor Sky (tm)" or "Khorne Red (tm)". Including names from their IP means that other companies cannot release a colour of the same name (in a better bottle, for a lower price, with a better consistency) and nonsense names can be copyrighted as unique. Since then most other paint companies that cater to hobbyists do the same. It's the big firms catering to artists like Liquitex or Winsor and Newton that are happy to sell a tube of "Burnt Umber" and stand based on quality. Definitely easier to reason about than "Rhinox Hide (tm)" or "Dirty Leather".
It's a bit of a different context with traditional art supplies though right, as they're generally also going to tell you the pigment composition of the colour you're buying. Something like Khimera Colours might be a bit more sensible with this. But once you start going "pure (or few mixed) pigment" you also get into the whole "you need your recipes" territory...
I think with a lot of other companies (including these) have names that are similar to the GW names either the current or the older range, so your Sorcerers Cloak is Warlock Purple, Berzerker and Sanguine reds are Khorne and Mephiston etc
This isn't quite right since Copyright has literally nothing to do with names. You correctly mention trademarks early on, but then you keept mistakingly using the term copyright after that. If you want be informative you really shouldn't be conveying objectively incorrect details like that. It gices what you're saying zero credibility, since the whole "copyright has zero relevance to names" is IP 101. As for the rest, you are somewhat correct? But reading it makes me think you have very little to know actual knowledge of how trademarks work. Trademarks are all about preventing consumer confusion, so typically the more unique you can get naming something, the better off you are. The thing with trademarks though, especially with products to be sold rather than iconography, business names, etc. Is that it is very context friendly, as in you can have things with the same name doing similarish things, as long as you can say consumers wouldn't really be confused. In this case I think you're inserting assumptions into what is a relatively straightforward situation. GW didn't change the paint names because of a sudden need to change Ultramarine blue or something. But because they literally made new paints at that time. They had some similar colours, but the formulas did change enough to warrant new names for the new colors. Looking at the context of the name change it trademarking it to be more Warhammer specific might have been a small motivation for it, but not really a main one. Those kind of name changed happen all the time in the general paint industry.
The triad system for paints is something I’m really grateful for. Something I got used to back in the late 90’s with the Wargames Foundry system. I’m glad Big Dunc has gone for a similar thing.
An Interesting review, I'm always looking at new paint, and this is a good review. Good to see the positive and negative of these. The colors of the standards look good, and the washes look like they would work better as a speedpaint (which is a good thing if you ask me) and I'm always interested in new mettalics as I've never found one that is quite right for me. Like, they all seem to have their issues that makes me dislike them in general. What would you say are the colors you liked working with best? Like, how did yellow and orange go on? I know those tend to be troublesome. How was blue? Any colors seem to fall to the typical issues?
yep, yellow and orange required an extra layer compared to other colors, as expected. Still, the yellows and oranges were pretty dang good! I'd say nothing surprised me between the various colors, and they were all above average compared to other paint lines I've worked with.
@@GoobertownHobbies That's good to hear. No surprises means we already kind of know what to expect and that tried and true methods of painting will work as we expect them too. I might look into picking some of these up next time I'm able to. Great to get an honest opinion on them before release.
It was great meeting you at GAMA, Brent! Thanks for hanging out in our booth and talking minis with me. It was a pleasure, and I'm glad to see you enjoyed the paints. Dan
As a kick starter backer for the full set, I'm so pleased that you approve of the range. They look great for fantasy/sci-fi as you said The missing "military" colours could be good as an add on but I use Vallejo for my military stuff anyway so one set to paint them all isn't really in my field of view as it were.
Your gamble/ investment will pay off! I really like these paints, I think you're gonna have fun with them :-) And then later on duncan will release some more colors!!!
@@userpayone I haven't... AK "got cancelled" for very, VERY disturbing reasons last year, and I'm not in a hurry to feature their products on my channel... It's unfortunate, because I have heard that they're pretty good paints.
Okay now strip the minis with simple green . Do they rubb off? Torture test . Ice . Sun . Heat . Chemical make up of them . What are they compared too ? Swatch test comparision. Etc etc . How do they taste? Are they toxic . Dry times . Matte? He ball in the bottle glass or steele? How many and what size is the ball? What happens when you add additives? Add ink? Can you mix it with other paints . They should be called triad paints . Can you thin them with medium? Can you make a wash from them. I expect something good from these paints since they are made by a miniature painter for miniature painters .
hehehehe, IT BEGINS!!!!! I'm leaving the samples at casey's house and flying away, he's in charge of testing now. ;-) For real though, I'm super excited for other folks to give these a while and see what they think!
Such a wishy-washy take on Asmodee. "Greedy garbage company, but hey the reps were nice and they gave us free stuff. Anyway, here's an 11 minute ad for their company."
I assume you clicked this video because you wanted a review of duncan's paints? Two months later and this is still one of only two reviews of this paint line. The only reason this video exists is because of the nice people working for the greedy corporation who hooked us up with a sample of the paint. Acknowledging the source of the sample stock is important for full disclosure. The main focus of the video was on the paint, as it should be.
The naming sucks for colorblind painters like me, hard to tell what some colors are. I've not been able to find a paint brand that just uses standard names for colors to not confuse or trip up people that have a hard time processing colors. Was hopeful for this one but may pick up some.
They look like they've got some excellent, creamy pigmentation and opacity (maybe too much in the case of the washes). Thanks for the review. I agree that having more detailed labels on mini paints would be great, with names that evoke more description than "emotion". Still looking forward to these!
Yes, I suspect the washes will divide opinion a bit. I think I'm going to like them, and I just might get me a nice big bottle of Instar's Water+ to see what I can do with different mixes.
The lack of army green was a low blow... but the lack of skintones is something that I use to judge every paint set that I try. Unfortunately the barbarian-dwarf-elf skin being the only fleshtones in a range is a super common problem from lots of different companies.
A cool idea would be to label/name paint like: “Light Purple/Lilac/Sorcerers Cloak” “Medium Purple/Violet/Royal Robe” “Dark Purple/indigo/Necromancer Robe” That way you can call out the simplified base color name, the real world given name, and the fantasy name of your paint lines choice. Also, light, medium, dark connoted where it falls in the triad.
It's a wonder no hobby paint line has done this, at least none I've heard of. Artist paints seem to have no problem using colour names as well as listing pigments & transparency.
Games Workshop are such a shitty company, holy hell. How do you let Dunc and Rog slip through your fingers like that? All the better for us now, as we're seeing them break free of corporate chains and spread their wings. Games Workshop's loss is our gain. Pay. Your. Workers.
Hi Brent, I just saw your epoxy video I do need a chemistry lesson from you. I have some old green stuff that I found 5+yrs old. What chemical changes can I do to it to make it soft and pliable again so that I can blend the green and blue epoxy's together like new? (chopping out the middle again of course) There must be something I can do? Microwave/warm it? soak in water? Add acetone or alcohol or something? Can you tell me what the right thing to do is to reverse it's aging process so that I can use actually it.. don't want to waste it as I have a lot
This is another very fair-minded review. As I do not have your chemical expertise, the knowledge of the pigments used would be significantly less useful to me. Still, I can appreciate how being able to google that and better understand how it applies could be useful if I was going to really try to make something particularly special. The most interesting criticism you had was the lack of triads for flesh tones other than Caucasian. I am not a particularly woke individual, but this was a really classy way of you pointing out something that got overlooked. If paints are in triads, and there are flesh tone trads... there should be an additional sets of triads for other skin tones. I'm on board with that. This hobby is for everyone. Dr. Brent, that is two very even-handed, fair-spoken, and reasonable range reviews inside a month. You continue to avoid hot-takes and remain reasonable. Please, continue as you are good sir.
Hey yo! You said this a few times in other videos “competition is good for us all” Man, you are so right. But, now I have fomo , missed that kickstarter. Oh well.
I was excited until the price... $5 a bottle is insane to me... a reason I don't buy anything from GW unless it's a wash, and even then I think washes in general are overhyped.
Sorry, but the only paint I’m spending $5 a pot on is Scale Colour. I might consider trying out a unique colour or two from this new line, but other than that no.
I'm glad his paints are good, although I can't help but feel a little salty that as a Kickstarter backer it's available to buy across the pond and mine haven't even had mine shipped. Edit: turns out these are an early batch, so there is significantly less salt.
They are not available to buy anywhere yet though? This was just a batch of paints for conventions and such. Also just because stores can order them doesn't mean that they will be shipped out sooner. No reason to be salty (yet) :)
Ah that makes sense, I just presumed they were for sale! That'll teach me for making assumptions I suppose! Thanks for the clarification friendly painters!
Our man Duncan is doing big things. I'm proud of him. I'll probably pick up a few for my Aeldari models. These colors look vibrant for Aspect Warriors. Also Brent I'm jealous of your hair. I too am a fellow Longhair.
Would love a deep dive video of why Metallics go clumpy, if there's a way to fix it or anything that can be done to prevent it. Bought a lot of Turbo Dork when my LGS had a two for one and half the bottles aren't usable. Would love to be able to salvage them.
If you reach out to TD they’ll replace chunky bottles. They’re great folks. They have re-formulated their mix to avoid the same issue. It’s mostly due to freezing!
He sure was the face of the Eavy Metal "commercial style"... A very good communicator for the hobby. A true celebrity, one could say... But you know who I would trust endorsing a product? A hobby chemist.
$5 for a bottle of paint isn't good for a brand new paint line. They should've taken more of a loss to penetrate the market. Also, not having these in the UK is a ridiculously bad decision considering that's where it all started. Those bad business decisions will make them go bust.
Not distributed by Asmodee in the UK, but I fully expect that they'll be sold in the UK, we'll see what happens on that front. As for the price... it's definitely on the high side, but Duncan's face is powerful, we'll see!
I think Army Painter's recent skin tone line make them the industry standard now in terms of naming system (designed in consultation with gamers of colour). It is frustrating that hobby paint lines don't publish pigment information, but you can make educated guesses: no expensive pigments at all, no cobalts or cadmiums, and exclusively using very high chroma synthetic organic pigments such as quinacridones (that go further because they can be thinned down a lot) or earth pigments like iron oxides.
@@Kahtini despite there already being non Caucasian skin tones represented in the set, just not labled as skin. Caucasian skin tone colors are not often found elsewhere, whereas brown browns and sienna skin tones are found everywhere in wood, dirt, etc. It makes sense to separate them out. Especially since Caucasian tones are hard to mix, and by contrast it's really easy to mix colors and end with brown.
@@solisglacies3183 Caucasian skin tones are (for me) easy to mix. But then I think I'll blame that on the art schooling I've had. Non Caucasian deserve to be represented in labeling, just as Caucasians are.
My "FLGS", some may call them a Marketplace of Miniatures, is apparently owned by Asmodee. Does that make them a "FCGS"? So I stopped by there the other day to ask if they were planning on carrying the Duncan paints. Not only did they not know what I was talking about, no one there knew who Duncan Rhodes was. On the plus side, they always have Star Wars Legion in stock!
hahaha, well, star wars legion is pretty cool! Asmodee also picked up a distribution deal for Conquest, which is a really sweet looking game... or... it's a game with really sweet looking figures :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies I'll keep that in mind, there are always a couple of Conquest boxes in their Dent&Ding section. I've already picked up a Gloomhaven, 4 Clone Trooper boxes, and a bunch more at 50% off that way.
Asmodee is the EA of game comanies. They eat smaller game companies, destroy them, keeping only their highest selling and IP owned games until those die, and then they dump them as well. Pretty much everything awful in the board game world has and is instigated by Asmodee. This is not even to be mad about it, more to just know what you are doing when you shake hands with Asmodee. I'm all for Duncan's Paints and hope for the best but I personally could never purchase them if Asmodee is involved. I give that company as little money as possible (preferably $0)
I hear ya. The distribution network of a big evil company comes with the ethics of a big evil company. They've also changed ownership in the last year, so we'll see where it goes...
Thanks Brent. Great review. I really value your objectivity. I know that when I watch your reviews, I’m going to get your honest, unbiased opinion. Thank you.
How do the washes thin? I love the densely pigmented washes from Vallejo, and these sound like them. (Shoutout to Vallejo sepia!) And the change in surface tension you get from adding some water to most washes makes them even more likely to run off the peaks of a model.
Yes, this! They look a lot like Secret Weapon washes as well, which are excellent and last forever because they're so concentrated. I hate that GW has convinced the painting community that washes are only meant to be used straight out of the bottle and anything else isn't appropriate as a wash. I used to go through multiple bottles of nuln oil a year, and I paint heroic D&D minis, not vast armies! I finally made the switch and I'm not even 20% through my bottles of SW washes after 2 years. I don't think I'm even 5% through my Vallejo sepia, that stuff is witchcraft!
@@afrotiffy check out acylic inks and artist mediums, you can pick it all up at any art store and make a variety of washes that behave like the GW washes and contrast paints. A 2oz bottle of ink costs the same as a 18ml GW wash and you can dilute them to your heart's content.
I was able to thin them quite a bit with water and get some decent results. Of course, thinning washes is harder to judge than thinning paints, but yes, these can be thinned with water.
@@jtrain9926 I am a huge, huge fan of inks! White ink for zenithal priming through the airbrush, and for edge highlights! None of the clumping or chalkiness of white latex paint. Red ink also produces better more vibrant results for me than any red paint I've tried to date.
That wasn't us! hehehe Asmodee had a few very cheap brushes on hand to swatch out the paints on pieces of paper. Casey and I brought minis and better brushes ;-)
well a look in to got going a thing in jiully and see thare if got it and at that when you get home treat thows fuzzay co stars and good time wghas hasd by ALLLL
I play undead armies so I don't have to paint skin tones. I really do appreciate you pointing out the different skin tones other than Caucasian. Great review!
Where I live it's very hard to find vallejo, I'd buy it more often if I could. If I were you I'd try a bottle or two of Duncan's paints just to see how it feels. Otherwise yeah, vallejo is great, nothing wrong with sticking to that! :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies thanks, I was more referring to Vallejo because they're like the standard of solid paints for me, although there are a lot of similarly good paints. I just didn't get what's *better* or special about the Duncan paints...
Well, they did mention in the vid that the bottles used were for the trade show sample only and the final product would be bottled differently. Here's to hoping they don't pull a dirty move like that with the final product
Interesting that you were able to get good coverage without thinning, Don't know if I just got an old bottle or something but,im having the hardest time getting a good consistency to brush on their fanatic orange. Street out the bottle to thick even with the smallest drop of water it's too thin. So many coats needed to finish up what I'm painting.😅
Casey and I painted different minis and had a different take on these paints! Objectively he's a better video maker and painter, so check out his video when you're done with this one :-) ua-cam.com/video/EpEKnujZF2I/v-deo.html
Don't underestimate yourself, you're highly skilled in both departments, Brent! Maybe it's your Swedish genes though, it's "jantelagen" coming through! (Approx. the notion you shouldn't brag about yourself)
This is an untrue statement, but I appreciate it all the same :)
I'm calling them 'TTC Paints' from here on out lol
Appreciate both your takes, I sit somewhere in the middle of you both as a painter (preferred techniques, not skill! Far below you both on that score.) so it's always fun to see which way I pull :)
Can't wait for mine to come in!!
Hi Brent. Thank you for taking the time to make this video, we are pleased that you liked the paints overall 😊 To answer some of your critiques, we will be adding more colours to the range such as greens, turquoise, brighter colours etc. We were only limited to 60 paints, so we went for the ones we use the most. As for the darker skin tones, we will most definitely be having this in the second wave (which we are currently finalizing now). Anyway, overall, we are glad you enjoyed using them 😊 Cheers, Dunc and Rog
Darker skin shouldn't be an afterthought.
@@breadpilled2587 'we went for the ones we use the most'
@@stephenbaugh2041 literally an afterthought 😒 typical
@@breadpilled2587 I wasn't agreeing with you
@@breadpilled2587 id prefer if companies just dropped the convention of naming paints "flesh" or "skin" since none of them look like any type of skin at all without a lot of work and technique. It's just named that way for people without imaginations.
I'm convinced Duncan should make a paint line of speedpaint called one thick coat
Or, juz' dip it
Oh man, all those brushes sitting point down in that glass of water... Clearly huge companies are indeed evil!
Lol i have to admit that gave me massive cringe also......
Pretty sure those are just for Gen pop to use and then they toss em lol
"and we all know that huge companies are evil" made me laugh so hard
but not their reps :D
same
""As we were painting, we were chatting with the Asmodee reps. Asmodee is a huge company, and we all know that huge companies are evil. That being said, all of the reps were friendly, and knowledgeable, and great to hang out with. They even went to get us a roll of paper towels."
LOL Thanks for another fun video!
As soon as I saw the brush cup, I knew they were evil.
it's 100% accurate, too. The reps are great. The corp is evil.
Given the name, well…
That Dark Angel statue you two took a picture with @ 6:50 is probably the largest "conversion" I can take credit for. Back in about 2004, myself and the other GW employees from the former "Bunker" Store in Westminster CA, converted and repainted it as a Dark Angel. It started off as one of several fiber-glass Blood Angel statues that were issued to stores to draw in curious shoppers. Originally it had a blood drop flanked with wings in the center of its chest. We cut away the blood drop and replaced it with a sword to better match DA iconography. Others did most of the repainting, but I carved that sword with aquilla guard from a piece of balsa wood that we then covered with several coats of resin, and then re-glassed the rest of the drop shaped hole in it's chest. It's good to see it still kicking around, I hadn't seen it since it's reallocation when the LA Bunker was downsized.
That's really cool! I've seen a couple of them in person so far
On the naming - it's done so that the colours can be copyrighted/trade marked. GW realised back in the day that they couldn't stop other companies creating an "Ultramarine Blue" or "Scab Red" because they are common descriptive terms. They went through "The grand renaming" and out come "Caledor Sky (tm)" or "Khorne Red (tm)". Including names from their IP means that other companies cannot release a colour of the same name (in a better bottle, for a lower price, with a better consistency) and nonsense names can be copyrighted as unique.
Since then most other paint companies that cater to hobbyists do the same. It's the big firms catering to artists like Liquitex or Winsor and Newton that are happy to sell a tube of "Burnt Umber" and stand based on quality. Definitely easier to reason about than "Rhinox Hide (tm)" or "Dirty Leather".
It's a bit of a different context with traditional art supplies though right, as they're generally also going to tell you the pigment composition of the colour you're buying. Something like Khimera Colours might be a bit more sensible with this. But once you start going "pure (or few mixed) pigment" you also get into the whole "you need your recipes" territory...
I think with a lot of other companies (including these) have names that are similar to the GW names either the current or the older range, so your Sorcerers Cloak is Warlock Purple, Berzerker and Sanguine reds are Khorne and Mephiston etc
Proacryl doesn't suffer from the awful names department and is still a hobbyist paint. I feel like they set the standard for both price and quality.
@@TheLunysgwen After hearing the pricing too, $5 for 15 ml... Pro Acryl is
This isn't quite right since Copyright has literally nothing to do with names. You correctly mention trademarks early on, but then you keept mistakingly using the term copyright after that. If you want be informative you really shouldn't be conveying objectively incorrect details like that. It gices what you're saying zero credibility, since the whole "copyright has zero relevance to names" is IP 101.
As for the rest, you are somewhat correct? But reading it makes me think you have very little to know actual knowledge of how trademarks work. Trademarks are all about preventing consumer confusion, so typically the more unique you can get naming something, the better off you are. The thing with trademarks though, especially with products to be sold rather than iconography, business names, etc. Is that it is very context friendly, as in you can have things with the same name doing similarish things, as long as you can say consumers wouldn't really be confused.
In this case I think you're inserting assumptions into what is a relatively straightforward situation. GW didn't change the paint names because of a sudden need to change Ultramarine blue or something. But because they literally made new paints at that time. They had some similar colours, but the formulas did change enough to warrant new names for the new colors. Looking at the context of the name change it trademarking it to be more Warhammer specific might have been a small motivation for it, but not really a main one. Those kind of name changed happen all the time in the general paint industry.
All the brushes just dumped into the jar like that at 0:55 !
The horror, the horror!
This video might get you a few very juicy clicks Brent ;)
we didn't do it! The asmodee people don't take care of their multi-pack brushes, blame them!!! :-)
Not to worry, it looked like a jar of $2.00 dumpers.
1:12 cheeky croc shot
The triad system for paints is something I’m really grateful for. Something I got used to back in the late 90’s with the Wargames Foundry system. I’m glad Big Dunc has gone for a similar thing.
An Interesting review, I'm always looking at new paint, and this is a good review. Good to see the positive and negative of these. The colors of the standards look good, and the washes look like they would work better as a speedpaint (which is a good thing if you ask me) and I'm always interested in new mettalics as I've never found one that is quite right for me. Like, they all seem to have their issues that makes me dislike them in general. What would you say are the colors you liked working with best? Like, how did yellow and orange go on? I know those tend to be troublesome. How was blue? Any colors seem to fall to the typical issues?
yep, yellow and orange required an extra layer compared to other colors, as expected. Still, the yellows and oranges were pretty dang good! I'd say nothing surprised me between the various colors, and they were all above average compared to other paint lines I've worked with.
@@GoobertownHobbies That's good to hear. No surprises means we already kind of know what to expect and that tried and true methods of painting will work as we expect them too. I might look into picking some of these up next time I'm able to. Great to get an honest opinion on them before release.
Who licks the brush?!?! DISGUSTING 🤮
5$ for 15ml, jaysus. I can get a 17ml bottle of AK 3rd gen with a basically unlimited palette choice for like 3$...
Yeah I wish paints were simply Light Green, Green, Dark Green or something.
It was great meeting you at GAMA, Brent! Thanks for hanging out in our booth and talking minis with me. It was a pleasure, and I'm glad to see you enjoyed the paints.
Dan
Great to meet you too, Dan! Thanks for putting up with us, I hope you had fun in Lake Tahoe :-)
loved the picture of you and Cassey, so much character in a single picture, and the energy displayed had a burst of laught at it xD
hehehe, we've been having fun!!! :-)
As a kick starter backer for the full set, I'm so pleased that you approve of the range. They look great for fantasy/sci-fi as you said The missing "military" colours could be good as an add on but I use Vallejo for my military stuff anyway so one set to paint them all isn't really in my field of view as it were.
Your gamble/ investment will pay off! I really like these paints, I think you're gonna have fun with them :-) And then later on duncan will release some more colors!!!
Have you given AK 3rd gen a try yet? They've launched a line of their 3rd gen aimed at military stuff.
@@userpayone I haven't... AK "got cancelled" for very, VERY disturbing reasons last year, and I'm not in a hurry to feature their products on my channel... It's unfortunate, because I have heard that they're pretty good paints.
5$ each is more expensive than Gw where I live, not per ml, but per bottle.
huh, good to know! :-)
Okay now strip the minis with simple green . Do they rubb off? Torture test . Ice . Sun . Heat . Chemical make up of them . What are they compared too ? Swatch test comparision. Etc etc . How do they taste? Are they toxic . Dry times . Matte? He ball in the bottle glass or steele? How many and what size is the ball? What happens when you add additives? Add ink? Can you mix it with other paints . They should be called triad paints . Can you thin them with medium? Can you make a wash from them. I expect something good from these paints since they are made by a miniature painter for miniature painters .
hehehehe, IT BEGINS!!!!! I'm leaving the samples at casey's house and flying away, he's in charge of testing now. ;-) For real though, I'm super excited for other folks to give these a while and see what they think!
Such a wishy-washy take on Asmodee. "Greedy garbage company, but hey the reps were nice and they gave us free stuff. Anyway, here's an 11 minute ad for their company."
I assume you clicked this video because you wanted a review of duncan's paints? Two months later and this is still one of only two reviews of this paint line. The only reason this video exists is because of the nice people working for the greedy corporation who hooked us up with a sample of the paint. Acknowledging the source of the sample stock is important for full disclosure. The main focus of the video was on the paint, as it should be.
Five dollars each was all I needed to hear in order to pass on this line.
The naming sucks for colorblind painters like me, hard to tell what some colors are. I've not been able to find a paint brand that just uses standard names for colors to not confuse or trip up people that have a hard time processing colors. Was hopeful for this one but may pick up some.
Pro acryl uses logical names. Vallejo model color too... (sometimes)
They look like they've got some excellent, creamy pigmentation and opacity (maybe too much in the case of the washes). Thanks for the review. I agree that having more detailed labels on mini paints would be great, with names that evoke more description than "emotion". Still looking forward to these!
Yes, I suspect the washes will divide opinion a bit. I think I'm going to like them, and I just might get me a nice big bottle of Instar's Water+ to see what I can do with different mixes.
I've been loving Duncan forever and it's amazing to see his paints are a thing now! Go Duncan! Go Goober :-)
A paint range that eschews specific darker skin tones?
A paint range better for painting the Axis Powers?
Far Right paint set?!?!
The lack of army green was a low blow... but the lack of skintones is something that I use to judge every paint set that I try. Unfortunately the barbarian-dwarf-elf skin being the only fleshtones in a range is a super common problem from lots of different companies.
A cool idea would be to label/name paint like:
“Light Purple/Lilac/Sorcerers Cloak”
“Medium Purple/Violet/Royal Robe”
“Dark Purple/indigo/Necromancer Robe”
That way you can call out the simplified base color name, the real world given name, and the fantasy name of your paint lines choice.
Also, light, medium, dark connoted where it falls in the triad.
It's a wonder no hobby paint line has done this, at least none I've heard of.
Artist paints seem to have no problem using colour names as well as listing pigments & transparency.
Brush licking at 0:35 even with a mask on.
That's commitment
oh for sure! :-)
😛🖌
Sounds like a good product, I'm happy for Duncan & Co!
absolutely!! :-)
Games Workshop are such a shitty company, holy hell. How do you let Dunc and Rog slip through your fingers like that?
All the better for us now, as we're seeing them break free of corporate chains and spread their wings. Games Workshop's loss is our gain.
Pay. Your. Workers.
Hi Brent, I just saw your epoxy video I do need a chemistry lesson
from you. I have some old green stuff that I found 5+yrs old. What
chemical changes can I do to it to make it soft and pliable again so
that I can blend the green and blue epoxy's together like new? (chopping
out the middle again of course) There must be something I can do?
Microwave/warm it? soak in water? Add acetone or alcohol or something?
Can you tell me what the right thing to do is to reverse it's aging
process so that I can use actually it.. don't want to waste it as I have
a lot
This is another very fair-minded review. As I do not have your chemical expertise, the knowledge of the pigments used would be significantly less useful to me. Still, I can appreciate how being able to google that and better understand how it applies could be useful if I was going to really try to make something particularly special. The most interesting criticism you had was the lack of triads for flesh tones other than Caucasian. I am not a particularly woke individual, but this was a really classy way of you pointing out something that got overlooked. If paints are in triads, and there are flesh tone trads... there should be an additional sets of triads for other skin tones. I'm on board with that. This hobby is for everyone.
Dr. Brent, that is two very even-handed, fair-spoken, and reasonable range reviews inside a month. You continue to avoid hot-takes and remain reasonable. Please, continue as you are good sir.
It's always interesting to me that artist paints are labeled with pigments, but "gamer paints" aren't... oh well, maybe someday! :-)
Brent, what did you do at 6:27? That's not a Luftwaffe soldier, that's Heer! Gotta use Field grey, not blue. 1/10, wouldn't recommend.
Hey yo!
You said this a few times in other videos “competition is good for us all”
Man, you are so right. But, now I have fomo , missed that kickstarter. Oh well.
I was excited until the price... $5 a bottle is insane to me... a reason I don't buy anything from GW unless it's a wash, and even then I think washes in general are overhyped.
Dun Can Paints, Two Thin Coats "It's the same number of syllables. What's the point?" Raymond Holt.
"The Duncan paints are better for painting Axis powers than they are for Allied powers. Uh oh!" I laughed
Sorry, but the only paint I’m spending $5 a pot on is Scale Colour. I might consider trying out a unique colour or two from this new line, but other than that no.
I'm glad his paints are good, although I can't help but feel a little salty that as a Kickstarter backer it's available to buy across the pond and mine haven't even had mine shipped.
Edit: turns out these are an early batch, so there is significantly less salt.
It was only an early batch at a trade show that stores were ordering. Individuals can't buy it at a store yet.
Such is life. When I backed battletech, I didn't get my shipment until more than a year after I saw the box in my local store
They are not available to buy anywhere yet though? This was just a batch of paints for conventions and such. Also just because stores can order them doesn't mean that they will be shipped out sooner. No reason to be salty (yet) :)
I'm in the US and haven't hand mine shipped either mate, nobody has them yet as far as I know.
Ah that makes sense, I just presumed they were for sale! That'll teach me for making assumptions I suppose! Thanks for the clarification friendly painters!
Our man Duncan is doing big things. I'm proud of him. I'll probably pick up a few for my Aeldari models. These colors look vibrant for Aspect Warriors.
Also Brent I'm jealous of your hair. I too am a fellow Longhair.
blessings to you and your hair :-)
Would love a deep dive video of why Metallics go clumpy, if there's a way to fix it or anything that can be done to prevent it.
Bought a lot of Turbo Dork when my LGS had a two for one and half the bottles aren't usable. Would love to be able to salvage them.
If you reach out to TD they’ll replace chunky bottles. They’re great folks. They have re-formulated their mix to avoid the same issue. It’s mostly due to freezing!
I'd love to learn this too! It's on my list, I just need to find the right way to approach the problem :-)
yeah! I met them for the first time at the convention, they're great! :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies Yeah they are! Awesome team, awesome product. I love when the stars align like that :)
More overpriced crap. Even the bottles look cheap af. Just another greed cash grab.
Missed opportunity. Should have been Duncan DoPaints.
"And we all know huge companies are evil"...but their reps were friendly and got us paper towels. Made me smile.
It’s a great thumbnail, a good video, but a great thumbnail!
didn't know it was legal to have 2 handsome men in the thumbnail like that
He sure was the face of the Eavy Metal "commercial style"... A very good communicator for the hobby. A true celebrity, one could say... But you know who I would trust endorsing a product? A hobby chemist.
;-)
You live in Maine?!? All this time watching and I never knew! Fellow Mainer and hobbyist, love your videos. I live in the Bath/Brunswick region
Oh sweet! Yep yep, there's a decent number of us lurking around in this state :-)
$5 for a bottle of paint isn't good for a brand new paint line. They should've taken more of a loss to penetrate the market. Also, not having these in the UK is a ridiculously bad decision considering that's where it all started. Those bad business decisions will make them go bust.
Not distributed by Asmodee in the UK, but I fully expect that they'll be sold in the UK, we'll see what happens on that front. As for the price... it's definitely on the high side, but Duncan's face is powerful, we'll see!
I know "2 Thin Coats" is St Duncan Hallowed Be His Name's tagline but "Duncan Coats" seems like a much better name.
oh yeah, that's a great name! :-)
It's very clear what you liked about the paints and what not. Thank you for an honest review :)
I think Army Painter's recent skin tone line make them the industry standard now in terms of naming system (designed in consultation with gamers of colour). It is frustrating that hobby paint lines don't publish pigment information, but you can make educated guesses: no expensive pigments at all, no cobalts or cadmiums, and exclusively using very high chroma synthetic organic pigments such as quinacridones (that go further because they can be thinned down a lot) or earth pigments like iron oxides.
agree on both counts. That TAP set is a great start. Of course TAP don't publish pigment information either... baby steps, baby steps :-)
Always such a wholesome and informative presence in the community. You lot are just great.
Sorcerer's cloak and Runic Purple...
Are those finally the purple i was looking for, Slaanesh?
hehehe, perhaps!!! :-)
Now I regret, that I have not backed full set.
I cant wait to see duncan's face at my lgs
agreed. :-)
Brent goes to Crossroad games!? I'm just a hop over in NH, this is the closest to Warhammer star power I've ever felt haha
I do indeed go to crossroad games! I wandered in there for the first time in '04 :-)
The first red one you put down on cloak of the female soldier looked REALLY good, which one was that?
berserker red I think. Yeah it's a good triad :-)
My take-away from the video: you running around a convention in crocs :D
Sigma nerd grindset
...you need to look into narration for audiobooks and movies and shit.
Brent is the nerdy Morgan Freeman. #changemymind
;-)
I love it that he is sticking to to GW. onya duncan
Anybody else start getting suspicious when someone virtue signals this much?
yeah I get suspicious when a fascist scumbag like you tries to walk in where you aren't welcome
Hi Brent, loved the point about naming for darker, not just caucasian skin tones. And good on Duncan & team for changing this for the 2nd release.
Ah nothing like some manufactured outrage
@@ildlyn8966 It's not manufactured. Folks with non-caucasian skin tones would like to be represented at well.
@@ildlyn8966 are you okay
@@Kahtini despite there already being non Caucasian skin tones represented in the set, just not labled as skin. Caucasian skin tone colors are not often found elsewhere, whereas brown browns and sienna skin tones are found everywhere in wood, dirt, etc. It makes sense to separate them out. Especially since Caucasian tones are hard to mix, and by contrast it's really easy to mix colors and end with brown.
@@solisglacies3183 Caucasian skin tones are (for me) easy to mix. But then I think I'll blame that on the art schooling I've had. Non Caucasian deserve to be represented in labeling, just as Caucasians are.
Duncan was the first painter I ever saw on UA-cam! Thanks for making this video Brent!
This can t be real painters cause their paintbrushes are drowning upside down in their waterglass. Thats a sacrileg. Poor brushes.
hehehehe, I used one of those brushes for the goblin's base rim :-)
They seem usable and perfectly adequate. But also like nothing new or necessary.
not necessary, but a good/ very good option that will be coming to many game and hobby stores.
Wow! Standish ME. I used to hang at that game store for years when I lived in Raymond ME. Sadly I live in Florida now ☹️
Nice! Come back to visit sometime :-)
Yes, but how did they taste? :)
(casey said several of them taste like coconut, I haven't tried)
Coconut...but only the whites and washes.
lol "im calling them duncan paints.. thats their name now"
Well, I've learned one important thing so far In this video. I've apparently been saying Asmodee wrong for years.
your way sounds better though :-)
My "FLGS", some may call them a Marketplace of Miniatures, is apparently owned by Asmodee. Does that make them a "FCGS"? So I stopped by there the other day to ask if they were planning on carrying the Duncan paints. Not only did they not know what I was talking about, no one there knew who Duncan Rhodes was. On the plus side, they always have Star Wars Legion in stock!
hahaha, well, star wars legion is pretty cool! Asmodee also picked up a distribution deal for Conquest, which is a really sweet looking game... or... it's a game with really sweet looking figures :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies I'll keep that in mind, there are always a couple of Conquest boxes in their Dent&Ding section. I've already picked up a Gloomhaven, 4 Clone Trooper boxes, and a bunch more at 50% off that way.
Asmodee is the EA of game comanies. They eat smaller game companies, destroy them, keeping only their highest selling and IP owned games until those die, and then they dump them as well. Pretty much everything awful in the board game world has and is instigated by Asmodee.
This is not even to be mad about it, more to just know what you are doing when you shake hands with Asmodee. I'm all for Duncan's Paints and hope for the best but I personally could never purchase them if Asmodee is involved. I give that company as little money as possible (preferably $0)
I hear ya. The distribution network of a big evil company comes with the ethics of a big evil company. They've also changed ownership in the last year, so we'll see where it goes...
@@GoobertownHobbies Excellent review nonetheless, Goobertown!
Man I want like 3 of the salamander type green. I wished I did the kickstart
they're great colors. They'll be in stores one of these days! :-)
It's true that Two Thin Coat isn't the best name.
I think it will be turned into TTC, or 2TC.
You're probably right. I'm gonna make a play for Duncan's Paints though. ;-)
Clearly "Duncan Paint" should be the name of their line of dips.
Wait, back up. You're from Maine? I had a meltdown.
sure am.
Thanks Brent. Great review. I really value your objectivity. I know that when I watch your reviews, I’m going to get your honest, unbiased opinion. Thank you.
How do the washes thin? I love the densely pigmented washes from Vallejo, and these sound like them. (Shoutout to Vallejo sepia!) And the change in surface tension you get from adding some water to most washes makes them even more likely to run off the peaks of a model.
Yes, this! They look a lot like Secret Weapon washes as well, which are excellent and last forever because they're so concentrated.
I hate that GW has convinced the painting community that washes are only meant to be used straight out of the bottle and anything else isn't appropriate as a wash. I used to go through multiple bottles of nuln oil a year, and I paint heroic D&D minis, not vast armies! I finally made the switch and I'm not even 20% through my bottles of SW washes after 2 years.
I don't think I'm even 5% through my Vallejo sepia, that stuff is witchcraft!
@@afrotiffy I love the secret weapons washes, I’m sad they’re now discontinued. I’m thankful I bit the bullet and bought the whole range.
@@afrotiffy check out acylic inks and artist mediums, you can pick it all up at any art store and make a variety of washes that behave like the GW washes and contrast paints. A 2oz bottle of ink costs the same as a 18ml GW wash and you can dilute them to your heart's content.
I was able to thin them quite a bit with water and get some decent results. Of course, thinning washes is harder to judge than thinning paints, but yes, these can be thinned with water.
@@jtrain9926 I am a huge, huge fan of inks! White ink for zenithal priming through the airbrush, and for edge highlights! None of the clumping or chalkiness of white latex paint. Red ink also produces better more vibrant results for me than any red paint I've tried to date.
Couldn't watch was to distracted by the brushes being brush side down in the water
That wasn't us! hehehe Asmodee had a few very cheap brushes on hand to swatch out the paints on pieces of paper. Casey and I brought minis and better brushes ;-)
well a look in to got going a thing in jiully and see thare if got it and at that when you get home treat thows fuzzay co stars and good time wghas hasd by ALLLL
It'll be fun to get back home and see the kitties! :-) Casey has two dogs and a bird, but they didn't wander into the video this time.
Who put the brushes bristle side down in the glass of water and why?
Hehehehehe The Asmodee team is guilty of this brush abuse. To be fair though, they didn't have much space there to properly store their brushes...
Nice review. I helped kickstart so I'm excited to use them. Also, WHERE did you get the gator soldier?
"Crocobot" from titan forge! :-) I think you're gonna have fun with these paints, I'm excited for you too!
@@GoobertownHobbies Awesome. Thanks for the info and good times are ahead.
I play undead armies so I don't have to paint skin tones. I really do appreciate you pointing out the different skin tones other than Caucasian. Great review!
there are some nice dark green and brown washes in this set for the undead! a nice triad of bone colors too :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies sweet! I'll definitely keep an eye out for those at my local shop.
It lost me at the price.
Glad it was useful! And yeah, now I wanna do more photography of paint drying, that was kinda fun! ;-)
Damn! Wish I'd known you were at GAMA.
Oh yeah, I was lurkin around there :-) I had enough fun that I might come back next year!
I couldn't care less about the naming, in the end the only way to know if it is the right color is to test it
Did you happen to see Adam while attending GAMA?
Hehehehe, he's in the background of at least one shot in this video. Yeah we hung out a bit :-)
Great vid, but I’m here for the fishing vids! Time to paint a custom rod, maybe some lures and hit the water!
That's the plan!
@@GoobertownHobbies Right on! For now back to Zereth Mortis Dailies!
0:59 Casey whips out a brush from his top pocket. What a total mini-painter.
power move. pro tools. total boss. :-)
Never know when you need to paint a mini!
Thanks for the review :D
Nice video. Looking forward to what people do with these paints. Keep up the good work.
Evil… but friendly!
Hmmm... More expensive than Vallejo etc? Why should I get them then 🤷?
Where I live it's very hard to find vallejo, I'd buy it more often if I could. If I were you I'd try a bottle or two of Duncan's paints just to see how it feels. Otherwise yeah, vallejo is great, nothing wrong with sticking to that! :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies thanks, I was more referring to Vallejo because they're like the standard of solid paints for me, although there are a lot of similarly good paints. I just didn't get what's *better* or special about the Duncan paints...
So 15ml in 18ml bottles. That’s just being cheap so a big thumbs down from me.
Well, they did mention in the vid that the bottles used were for the trade show sample only and the final product would be bottled differently. Here's to hoping they don't pull a dirty move like that with the final product
I think it's 15 ml in 15 ml bottles, but I haven't seen the final bottles that are shipping out... we'll see!
They look like they cover quite well. Big question, was the yellow good?
The yellow was yellow, and as such it required an extra coat... but it was smooth and better than a lot of other yellows that I've tried! :-)
needs more Kobolds
personally, I agree. I'm worried the audience is starting to turn on us regarding all these kobolds tho... :-)
I hope someone will create a convert table document for TTC x Citadel to know which color is close as an alternative to which one :P
someone will, someone will :-)
I believe your wish has been granted
Brent Pulls his own Paintbrush out of his Pocket
gotta be prepared! :-)
Interesting that you were able to get good coverage without thinning, Don't know if I just got an old bottle or something but,im having the hardest time getting a good consistency to brush on their fanatic orange. Street out the bottle to thick even with the smallest drop of water it's too thin. So many coats needed to finish up what I'm painting.😅
At a minute mark. Those brushes, tip down in water. I actually gasped 🤣🤣🤣
they were like that when we got there! :-)