Thou Must Live, Die, and Know | FFXIV Endwalker Reactions
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Stormblood Fordola:" you.... you.... all that power, all that pain. Its too much for anyone. The things they've done to you. The lies, the betrayal, the endless fighting. Yet there you stand, unbroken...how....why!"
Love when NPCs realize just how terrifyingly unyielding the WoL is. The only way to beat them is to avoid them. You can't defeat them, you can't break them, you can't deter them. They WILL set their sights on you. They WILL find you. They WILL smash your plans to pieces. It's like a mountain walking, you can just stand in awe, powerless to stop it.
For those I have lost. For those I can yet save. (That was the only option I could ever pick after seeing that shield by the grave in that cutscene)
As a fellow depression sufferer, I feel your pain. And to me, this game has been a gift. It's done more for me than any therapist I've seen.
I started playing this game on a whim from a friend when he saw that warframe just wasn’t doing it for me anymore
ARR was a bit rocky but everything else has given me more joy and tears both than I’ve ever imagined a video game could
ShB and EW helped me confront some of the worst moments in my life to this point and push past them, telling myself “I am enough, this is my life to live” and it’s been an amazing past couple years now
I feel this in my bones. I hope you’re having a good day and if not you can find a moment of happiness in it all.
@@kuronaialtani Being vulnerable 1.51 thousand people take a helluva lot of guts. Mad respect. And, as a sufferer, I can totally relate to all of this. And just remember one important thing. you have 1.51 thousand people supporting you. Be strong, Jay. We're all proud of you.
The whole " as an imperfect , fragmented being....and amidst the deepest despair, light everlasting" is my mantra for my bad times. I feel like am fragmented, imperfect, depressed being. But I keep going. I keep fighting. That game literally changed my perspective on how to value life and myself.
Personally I like Matsya's "To live is to suffer" speech
@@pentagonofpeople”Every doubt reforged as scales for your armor; every agony to temper your blade.”
As someone that was in a very bad spot when endwalker launched and felt the existential dread as the world falling apart around me, this story gave the resolve to push forward even when everything seemed hopeless at the time.
Forge ahead!
That's what we need in this generation; stories of hope that can inspire us and uplift us, and tell us that the treadmill of an otherwise seemingly hopeless life has little nuggets that make everything worth it; stories that we can make our own.
It would've been so easy for them to end up in a trite "Just don't be sad!" or "Suffering is good, actually". But by taking their time telling this story through years and years and years, the XIV team managed to communicate a _very_ nuanced point in a very emotional way. It's _amazing._
Same thing happened to me, a relationship had just ended badly for me after being cheated on. This game gave me hope
“A quest to find your purpose, knowing your end is assured.
To find the strength to continue, when all strength has left you.
To find joy, even as darkness descends...
...And amidst deepest despair, light everlasting.”
definitely contender for best cutscene in videogames imo
The most powerful scene for sure!
@@Thebrokenlute it's probably the most powerful and IMPORTANT cutscene in the entire game. It lays out the philosophy of the entire game. Life is filled with suffering and we don't have a purpose for living given to us. However, that isn't a bad thing, suffering means the joy we find is that much more important.we arent given a purpose? So that means we have the freedom to make and find our own, something to strive for even if we ourselves would never see it. It's HOPE, incarnate. It's nihilism, but instead of focusing on the negatives of the philosophy, it's the other side of the coin, it's taking our fate into our own hands, it's liberating in a way.
Zenos and Venat are the embodiments of this duality. It's the same philosophy, but taken in completely opposite directions from the starting point.
Sorry for the wordy reply but I had to say it since this is one of, if not my favorite scene in all of gaming and speaks to me at my very core.
@@drachepumpernickel7056One could say that our life's purpose is ironically to find our purpose. Our passion. Our pursuit. Freedom
Man, that cutscene hits hard...
Some minor notes on the 'walk' Venta performed. The blows she suffered represent the Rejoinings. With each one, she was brutalized and deeply wounded. The black 'ooze' on her? Originally was supposed to be blood, but FFXIV would of seen a rating hike from the ESRB and the EU so they made it black sludge. Personally, I think it looks better and is more thematic.
And no SE lawyers kicking down Yoshi's office door with gunblades.
Some also believe an alternative theory that the hits are her taking blows for her champions, like when we fought ultima weapon. Ultimately the cutscene is mostly metaphor but rejoinings definitely seems the more likely answer.
@@starofaetherius there’s seven flashes if you count them, hence the leaning far more towards rejoinings
@@kuronaialtani agreed.
Honestly I still think it’s miracle that they still get rate T after Quintus scene.
Persona 3 also has problem with it but get away with “ Evoker isn’t real gun it just a device that look like a gun.”
But Quintus scene is exactly what we think it is.
"He shall walk" the most badass line in the game
🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
The sundering explained in such a fulfilling and badass way. All these years I was like "but why split is up like this Momma Hydaelin?" Annnnd Answer(s)ed
@Autumneagle She answered the question over a decade ago and it was literally right in front of us. We just didn't have all the information to fully comprehend the reason. She even said so twice in Endwalker when she said "When you truly understand what is at stake and your journey has prepared you to surmount the insurmountable..."
She waited 10,000 years for our characters to start their journey. All of us had a much shorter wait in comparison 😊.
@@Lunzatis_Palemoon 12000+. The world has been sundered for 12000 years.
@@acgearsandarms1343 I forgot to add the plus after the 10,000. Oops lol.
One cool detail about Venat that’s exclusive to the short stories is that she, in her younger days as a scholar, worked on a theory that posited life as an inevitability given certain resources. Proving this theory was a major factor as to what got her the seat of Azem, and was a part of her perspective. (the story is also from the perspective of the ancient who would become the base for her creating The Watcher!)
Just think about that as part of her driving force. She knew life would ALWAYS be possible and that all the life she saw was worth it. That’s why sacrificing “lesser” life was never an option. Hydaelyn was a physical embodiment of that.
and our Azem is implied to have agreed to be sundered to prevent that and find another way though they usually keep our Azem vague aside from the winery grapes incident(also a short story exclusive tale)
I fought death itself to be here for Endwalker's launch. Woke up in a hospital weaker than the proverbial newborn kitten. Had to rebuild my ability to sit up, feed myself, stand, walk. Everything I went through, this game was worth every moment. And hearing you talk about your experiences while standing in front of *that* door before progressing with *that* questline... I feel like I'm waving farewell to a Sprout at the end of The Vault. But it's still worth every moment.
The best cutscene in the whole franchise. The writing is just unbelievable. Venat is a Mother with capital M, taking the blows with every Calamity, every disaster, making the hardest decisions in the shadows... What a fricking character.
That cutscene just guts me. I think most of the individual moments in it are meant to be taken as literal, and it's just the whole thing strung together that's impressionistic. So I think that confrontation, that last plea, to her fellow man is a real thing that happened - probably the last thing she did before she pulled the trigger on "becoming" Hydaelyn after all the prep was done. Because she didn't want to do this, even knowing the future.
I don't think any moment in any video game has fucked me up more than that cutscene, coming like 300 hours into a single coherent story, basically offering its take on what the meaning of life is, and doing so in a way that isn't completely laughable.
I think a lot of it is her reflecting on memories. Like that guy getting eaten might have literally happened, but not with her and Emet so close doing nothing to help, more her remembering watching people die while being unable to help etc. It also wouldn't make sense for the sky to still be burning if Zodiark was summoned and the final days paused. So yeah it seems to be a sort of amalgamation of her memories and feelings, rather than taken 100% seriously.
I cannot recount how many times I rewatched this scene, and I still cry.
Best cutscene in any game I have played. Really had to stop and think about it.
" He shall walk " That sent chills down my spine
I was in the dumps for a while, and this game made me get better. Gave the push, as you've said. Now working as a bus driver to complete the diploma for it by practice, I can finally start seeing a path in front of me that makes me see the future in brighter light. Hasn''t been easy, but thank you for also being so open up with your own struggles.
I cried so so much in Endwalker and Shadowbringer.... I was suicidal 1 month before Endwalker, wanted to leave the world.... after Endwalker, I was happy I am alive and today I thrive again, it was very therapy....
Same, I made attempts shortly before the expansion released. And, honestly, confronting those themes in Endwalker almost sent me spiraling again. But, it forced me go through them from the position of The Warrior of Light, and I was able to borrow her immense fortitude to see me through to the end, and it helped me find hope and purpose again. Friends and family played a huge part, and I don't want to downplay their contribution, but it is no exaggeration to say that this game saved my life. Whatever troubles you're going though, I hope that you're still finding ways to forge ahead and walk in the light.
I'm happy you are both here, Warriors of Light. ❤ Forge ahead.
This entire cutscene is probably one of the best cutscenes I have ever experienced in a game. I legit had to just let go of the keyboard and sit still for a few minutes.
Eyyy, If you listen to the music at 19:00 , it actually changes from the trailer version of Answers, into the synth version... Phoenix from Coils of Bahamut.
I love how many interpretations that cutscene spawns, and most of them are valid. Whether it's all the times Hydaelyn took the hits for us or whether it's the Rejoinings wounding her, the story of a lowly sundered being like us being able to face down Emet Selch, the most powerful of all the Ancients, gives her the courage to walk her chosen path to the very end.
unlike eldibus pretty sure Emet held back seeing his old friend when we rejoined with our reflection 1 counterpart. Remember Emet as the emperor was a major patron of the arts and drama queen himself and was broken losing his son that he adored who sired well zenos's father who he didn't like nearly so much
I've never watched you before, but this video showed up in my recos - dont apologize for feelings and crying! This game gets EVERYONE. It's changed my life, and many others. It was clearly made by someone who understands depression and trauma and pain, and it delivers messages of hope beautifully. It brings people together and gives us a language of how to proces our experiences. Somehow a story with all this magic manages to be so incredibly, unflinchingly human.
I'm glad you've found our community.
That scene...changed how I listened to "Answers".
A fellow Roeboy! I see you too are a man of culture
Between Endwalker and Everything Everywhere All At Once, my dread calmed a bit. Just 1 foot in front of the other!
"A lot of this shit hits close to home." -- For me, Venat was the mother figure I've never had. It went that deep.
And when she calls you "My Light of the Future" that one broke me in two.
"If you want the house and the Dog ypu must defeat ME!!!" Is a quote I had a character in my story I'm writing which is a direct reference to Venat. I've begun to write rhe stories I've always thought of and when I make a character who's supposed to ensure those who live have the strength to become better this was a massive inspiration....
And this is the moment where a song we had heard from the beginning of A Realm Reborn turned from a prophecy to a religious revelation.
This was a genuine religious experience for me.
Jay, soaring back across the Void to the First, skipping like a loosed stone amidst memory and fragmented shards of souls, surrounded by the wild, untouched majesty of this empty frontier...and he's quietly musing that he should have eaten before he left Elpis. That's hilarious.
Kinda reminds me of Tony Shaloub's Galaxy Quest character: wrapped in a protective bubble and literally launched across the cosmos, lands in an alien ship, and the first thing out of his mouth is an amused chuckle and "...that was a hell of a thing."
Just in case like me, you forgot:
Right after you finish the antitower to talk to Hydaelyn, you see Minfilia and she informs you that:
- Zordiak is in the moon.
- She sundered the world.
- Minfilia is in the first.
- Seven rejoinings have happened.
I decided to rediscover ff14 Oh boy, it's been a trip-
"I'm fine, I'm fine...."
*is not fine*
Yeah, same. Elvis was a LOT.
Man, I feel that intro. /hug
why cant i like this video 100 times?
This game has done this for many people this community is beautiful you’re never alone stand tall my friend
Nothing helped me more than travelling to the edge of space to destroy depression, and prove yourself to the world (and crystal mommy)
It's so refreshing to see folk from WoW come over and see past the "trash weeb game" label that people who haven't even played XIV stick it with.
What does it say about a piece of media that allows you to tap into and embrace parts of yourself long locked away for fear of societal pressure and taboo? Bravo, lad, for being able to express the fact that you've embraced those parts.
15 19 that song may should sound familiar. It 's from ARR the battle scene movie.
The two songs in the scene are “Answers” and “From the Ashes”
That's my mOM THAT'S MY CRYSTAL MOM
Okay this begin of this video the algorithm sent to me I know I should watch this journey from the beginning (if possible)
My interpretation of it was she didn't do it just for the future she did it for the people she loved the most and emet lahabrea and elidibus And a little bit suffered the most yes but she still loved them too despite everything she still cared for them and that why I cry every time And she forgiven no but she did it out of love and care for a future and a hope that we find a way to stop it all save the 3 who at one point where family and still are from other life and I can't wait to see where and how they continue it now
Now realize that as Hydaelyn, situated in the Lifestream as she was, she would have seen all the fragments of your soul scatter to the various shards. Watch you die and be reborn, die and be rejoined over and over and over again until finally she reckognized the one she met in her past. The one who she would have to protect with all her might to make sure you'd make it far enough to save everything...
Her beloved student who first kicked her butt unsundered then again as a fragment of themselves(even if a majority fragment)
In a weird way, Endwalker makes a comparison between Venat and Fourchenault.
When faced with the end of the world, Fourchenault did everything he could to shield his children from sorrow and pain, and it ultimately failed.
Venat, on the other hand, let her children face that sorrow and pain, so that they could learn to overcome it themselves, and ultimately succeeded.
I don' know if its his light settings but I could swear the Ancients eyes do not glow as bright as it did in Elpis in this scene..only in the end does Venat's eyes regain her bright blue colour and if that is intentional then holly shit that took me like 50 re watches to realize (of this scene not of this video)
I run it completely on normal settings.
Final fantasy is witch craft takes you to another place and time all the feels
Every time i've watched a stream of this, there is always that one comment in stream chat "sunder me mommy"
This game was able to instill hope for life and the dedication to make the world a better place in so many people, it's truly amazing.
Then there's the parts of the FFXIV community that are absolutely despicable bastards wearing the mask of tolerance and acceptance and giving none in return... who learned absolutely nothing.
I would've preferred commentary over whatever that was at the end of this video.
Answers.
You guys might not be ready for this talk… but this scene is really reflecting on how man lost his divinity in Buddhism and somewhat Hinduism view of the humanity…
The only thing that isn't perfect about this, is that they seem to have forgotten that the player was made bigger by Emet, so you would be roughly the same size as the Amauroteans...
You just go back to normal size, without anyone reversing the effect or any explanation as to why it just went away the moment you step back in the portal.
It could have led to some hilarious scenes, if you had come back as a giant, before the effect of Emet's magic faded. ^^
... well, that and the dub. If you only hear it, it's fantastic, but there is this disconnect between her calm voice and the emotional expressions on her face. Meanwhile in the original japanese, voice and facial expressions fit perfectly together.
Whether someone likes the calm English or emotional Japanese voice more comes down to taste, but having the voice and expression not fit together is objectively... well, not exactly bad, far from it... but still a step back from the original voice.
It was never that serious
A sorcerer of eld did it
because you didnt "got made bigger" emet shared ether with you to make your aetherial presence bigger, your physical body didnt change.
She damned the people to suffering and took their freedom just to let the people to earn that back to prove a point…. Beautiful, but in real world something like this will never happen.
It's not just to prove a point as you say. There are other reasons, one ethical and one more technical. That ethics is that the ancients were becoming TOO dependent on Zodiark to solve problems, in fact Venat acted after the ancients were trying to make a third sacrifice only because they were unable to accept suffering. The more technical reasoning is that the ancients were too dense with ether, unable to interact with the dinamys, therefore unable to defeat and solve the root problem of the final days, making them always dependent on Zodiark for their survival.
To quote the Princess Bride: “Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something.”
huh? it happens every day. It wasnt to prove a point. The amathorians were choosing safety, comfort and security at the cost of mass killing others for a bandage solution which didnt fix the actual problem, which was eventually going to explode in their faces. They were choosing a lost nostalgic past over the reality of the present.
That happens every. day. in small and big ways. its happening right now.
@@Trattato68 6 months late, it wasnt even JUST because of a third sacrifice, it was specificaly what was to be sacrificed and for what purpose.
the first was to forestall the final days.
the second was to seed the star with new lifes.
booth of these usedf volunteers from the ancients
The THIRD was planned to bring back the sacrifices of the first 2, those who willingly gave their life to the bettermentof the star.. and by using the new life born from the second sacrifice. Life that did not consent, or could not coneent to the sacrifice. THat was the p oint where they gave up their role as custodians of the star. And at which point they clearly had stopped striving for bettermen of their own acord
Disappointing that instead of showing a battle between Hydaelyn and Zodiark as it actually was, they throw this metaphorical scene that white washes Venat and portrays her as a hero when what she did was essentially murder(ego death) population of an entire world, she’s one of the worst monsters of this universe and I think devs know it at some level judging by how many excuses and reasons they attempt to throw in her defense, none of which work because of their incompetence.
Utter nonsense.
@@Akeche Ask yourself whether you’d want to be turned into 14 mindless blobs(that’s what they were right after sundering, see Nier Reincarnation crossover) in a hypothetical situation where your entire family is in a coma and you don’t want to leave them there, as well as wanting to rebuild your home after a cataclysmic event. If the answer is no than what Venat did is evil.
Uhm they make a point of the consequence of what she did. Even Venat herself was very self aware of that fact. It's more grey than you think and a more realistic take on the perceptions of heroes and saviours, and asks the age old question: "Does the end justify the means?".
@@vortex3833 The thing is, the whole thing with Zodiark is basically the same as the Emperor of Man, where they had to sacrifice half their population to him.
Add that to the fact that they don't know the origins of the Final Days, nor do they want find out anyways to due to Zodiark's tempering, I don't know about you, but that sounds like a pretty bad spot to be in.
What Venat did was bad, don't get me wrong. But compared to the alternative, what she did was necessary. There is no rebuilding when you are a thrall to a god that require constant supply of lives to stay alive.
@@Akeche No, it's not. She chose to sacrifice her entire race for a sliver of hope that the new, sundered beings her act would create would find a way to survive a calamity she was unable (or rather unwilling) to avert, and a meaning to a question she herself couldn't answer. Someone that previously claimed would never give up and would not consider anything to be impossible, at the first signs of a real problem gave up and decided to pass responsibility for it all forward, to someone else.
Not to mention, if we consider it fully, she actually fails. The world she created is not the one we come from - the world that comes from her actions is the Exarch's original timeline (which WON'T be saved by her plan). So, it's a doom of two worlds in exchange for a chance of maybe saving one.
In a way, she's the exact mirror of Emet, with the only difference being which world one meant to save and which to destroy. If She is right, so was Emet. Consequently, if he was a villain, so is she. With the one exception being that she made her actions with full knowledge of what was to happen, so cannot be excused with not being able to see the whole picture.
Oh, and BTW, the idea of nobility of suffering can go and die in the fire. Especially when it's used to justify suffering of OTHERS. Caused by the one that tries to use that justification.