I have stuck up for Seth jones on this roster so many times. I no longer can do that. He was awful tonight and was the cause for atleast 2 goals against us.
Please bring back Toews - he'll show everyone how a defensive game looks like... no matter his indivudal shape, he'll teach centers how to do face-offs and how to backcheck and stuff
I wish he could but he hasn’t even played for 3 seasons. We have no idea if he will play again and if he does play is he going to be at what we expect on his last season in Chicago. That’s up to Toews on what he wants to do. As of right now,he’s done everything he possibly could have accomplished in the NHL.
Maybe tanking for picks establishes a culture of losing that an org can't overcome. Maybe the Hawks can be the Avs. Maybe they'll be the Sabers. Dark days right now, but Bedard developing continues to be a bright spot.
Did a team balloon deflate when Jones returned in Dec? Small sample size I know, but they were 4-3 after Anders took over, before Jones returned, and 2-9 since.
Troy Murray has broken down the Black Hawks performance about as best as you can get!Mistakes of fundamentals,lack of effort,I believe every word he says!The Blackhawks hierarchy might not like that,but the truth sometimes hurts!
I punched a hole through my wall on Calgary's 5th goal. May as well just give it to Jones on the score sheet. I STG, coach better healthy scratch Jones. So sick of this.
@@Stzu-s2bt55 I get it. But I honestly would bench him. So glad to hear these guys say it too. If he is hurting the team on the ice, I don't care his salary. Bench hin
@@chrisb.8497 the question is will he get benched. This is the worst season he has played. Overall he has been bad but not like this. Especially when he has this massive contract that could have been spent on the free agent market. I wish he was gone but who would take that money.
What a foolish comment about there’s starting to be pressure on Davidson… that’s from people who don’t get it! Nashville got the pick of the litter of signings last year and KD brought in a lot of people to try to help. It’s not his fault it didn’t work out. Think about a Nashville team who made the playoffs and brought in who they did. That’s why I agree the young guys need the chance next year…and we as fans should expect the 5-8 pick realistically. It’s a slow process
And that’s a great comment. We can’t blame Davidson yet. Plus the players that he drafted are even playing in the NHL and almost everyone is saying that this is not working or we should have gotten this player. This rebuild is the only way to get better. Yeah the Veterans failed badly this season but why should we even care about them. Some of them are going to be gone soon and that’s the opportunity to get the young players to play in the NHL. It’s a slow process but it has to happen.
Sorry but what are we doing here? Have you already forgotten the likes of Dach and Boqvist who were rushed into the NHL too quickly? What good does it serve to bring up all the young guys next year? So you can have some more short-term fun watching this team, Mario? Sorry, but that's just incredibly shortsighted and counterproductive. And I'm nor talking about the guys who are ready and being artificially held back to keep veterans around (as you could argue with Nazar this year). I'm talking about all the other guys who'd be, at best, trying to stay afloat up in the NHL, because they are just not ready. Colton Dach is in that category this year, so was Korch last year. Even Nazar, who lit it up, is not producing. And constructing a team of more Dachs and Nazars next year won't help the rookies' production. That is on top of the fact that the Hawks don't have a lot of guys who are Nazar-level ready in the first place, and they won't next year either. The truth is, the Hawks' prospect pool is not the same as the Sharks'. It is not as deep, and more importantly, not as ready. That's why we NEED bad seasons to improve that prospect pipeline. How has everyone forgotten how long development takes just because the Hawks are maybe 7 spots below what everyone expected this year???!! My God. Edit: While I'm calming down, Jay is basically making my exact point. But I don't understand how you say that, but 5 minutes earlier you two (I guess Mario specifically) were talking about getting rid of everybody to basically send out a U21 team next year.
Not all the young players will be brought up but would anyone would watch this shit team again next season? Also our prospect pool is deep. I’m not just talking about the players from Rockford but the players that are playing in the CHL or College or even the players that will be drafted this summer. Yeah we are not the same as the Sharks but every player develops differently. Sharks have their own pool of prospects and really we shouldn’t care about what they’re doing. What we can do is bring a few more young players when the trade deadline approaches because some of the veterans will be traded for picks and prospects. The roster for next season won’t be all rookies because we do have FA on July 1st and there is a lot of very talented players we could sign that’s not a player that’s in their mid 30s.
There might be 1 new surprise prospect that impresses enough at camp to be declared ready next year for NHL but most not yet. Have to find at least one other Bartuzzi type FA for 2025 out there. This team will not attract a top 6 FA 2025. Good news is our D-pool of prospects have graduated enough players where we don’t need another Martinez or Brodie. I would consider trading a goalie if theres a team that’s desperate at deadline. Also we can weaponize our cap space to get more draft picks.
@@isaacguerrero8873 also this FA has some really good players. We could probably get a better player than Bertuzzi. KD already knows that Veterans in their 30s because it’s not working out. The team might attract players because we have Bedard and we’re going to get a top 3 pick so the player will be NHL ready when we draft him. So there’s plenty of prospects and there is plenty of players to play with Conner. This is going to be an important offseason for Davidson.
I see we've moved on from "Seth Jones is a great Dman" to Levshunov truthers. Oh yeah, never mind us saying literally moments ago to trade picks and prospects for a player to fix a mistake, that doesn't apply to Levshunov, let's stick our head in the sand and let a mistake at 2nd overall not be a correctable mistake by waiting 3 more years after a ELC is up to move on from what we are fairly certain was a mistake. And CHGO wonders why their other coverage gets so more more viewers. Not hard to figure out boys.
As far as viewership numbers it extremely easy to figure out. Hockey is the least popular sport in every city in America(our fellow Americans are stupid and can’t seem to under hockey is a far superior sport). Hell even the wnba is becoming more popular than hockey so it makes perfect sense that a hockey podcast has the least amount of viewers on a channel that has podcasts about football, basketball and 2 baseball teams.
Didn’t they buy out Huet? With a nasty contract? Not nearly as bad as jones but he’s a square peg in a round hole. We land a 1/2 pick definitely taking that dman. Schaffer * jones don’t fit the plan. Buyout necessary.
Guys,Seth Jones is and always has been a bust for the Black Hawks since day one!Come on nine million a year for nine years!He ain’t worth half of that!
@@emeryjones634 he said he assumed that it’s going to be a man. Full live stream of the Hawks and this is what you’re concerned about? Really? Not the game or the discussion of who should be brought up to the NHL? I’m just confused as why this is the issue that you had for the past hour.
@Stzu-s2bt55 there is nothing to see here. It's the same old song and dance with the team. They can't even lose in a different fashion to provide any new material. Trade everyone outside of Bedard, Vlasic, Bertuzzi, Dach, Nazar, Allen, and dare I say Crevier because he looks like your 7th D when this team actually matters. He's actually one of the better D on the team right now.
@@emeryjones634 yeah that’s what happens when you rebuild. By the 1st of march a lot of the veterans will be gone except Jones who can’t be moved because he’s under contract until 2030. So the young players will be able to get called up and play in the NHL. The record won’t change but were going to see a new look then having players that are in their 30s. This year is a mess but now KD should know that this team this season isn’t going to be back. If they are we’re going to see the same results.
I’m from Ohio, a life time hawk fan. Torts was a hell of a coach and had him playing as an offensive threat , but he was declining, I hated it that we got him as an elite (hope). Which has proven to be … he was just above average not worth 9.5mil
I think people are definitely overreacting by blaming him for all of the (numerous) issues with this team, but it’s impossible to ignore how consistently poor his performance has been since he came back from ir.
@@745moto_fan you're trolling right? Please tell me you are trolling. Because if you aren't, I'd love to hear you try and defend his play that led to Calgary's 5th goal. Or any of his -4 mometns through 1.5 periods. Or any of the last 10 games.
At this point we should just let these games go by. Give it till the deadline and with the players getting traded we can bring the players from Rockford. Next year can’t be worse.
Kane said it best. “Where the FUC* are you GOING” !! To Seth Jones.
Trade him. To a contender. Pick up 1/2 of his salary, anything. Let a young D-man up for NHL experience...
@@Topshelfcheese3606what contender has enough cap space?
No more politics over performance. Bench Jones.
FIRE SETH JONES INTO THE SUN PLEASE!!!
I have stuck up for Seth jones on this roster so many times. I no longer can do that. He was awful tonight and was the cause for atleast 2 goals against us.
Please bring back Toews - he'll show everyone how a defensive game looks like... no matter his indivudal shape, he'll teach centers how to do face-offs and how to backcheck and stuff
I wish he could but he hasn’t even played for 3 seasons. We have no idea if he will play again and if he does play is he going to be at what we expect on his last season in Chicago. That’s up to Toews on what he wants to do. As of right now,he’s done everything he possibly could have accomplished in the NHL.
“YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOCKEY, IF YOU DONT THINK SETH JONES IS A TOP TIER DEFENSMAN” - jay 😂😂
Seems like a miracle to make the red line.
Bedard would have 150 pts. by now if he didn't have to spend 3/4 of his shift(s) in the D-zone...😮
Maybe tanking for picks establishes a culture of losing that an org can't overcome. Maybe the Hawks can be the Avs. Maybe they'll be the Sabers.
Dark days right now, but Bedard developing continues to be a bright spot.
Bedard gets his 100th pt tonight. And speaking of busts, he’s only 13 pts behind Kirby Dach’s career total.
Bring ALL the kids up. Fail together Win together
Did a team balloon deflate when Jones returned in Dec? Small sample size I know, but they were 4-3 after Anders took over, before Jones returned, and 2-9 since.
Troy Murray has broken down the Black Hawks performance about as best as you can get!Mistakes of fundamentals,lack of effort,I believe every word he says!The Blackhawks hierarchy might not like that,but the truth sometimes hurts!
I punched a hole through my wall on Calgary's 5th goal. May as well just give it to Jones on the score sheet. I STG, coach better healthy scratch Jones. So sick of this.
Still under contract until 2030. No team will take his contract. We can thank Stan for this shit contact.
@@Stzu-s2bt55 I get it. But I honestly would bench him. So glad to hear these guys say it too. If he is hurting the team on the ice, I don't care his salary. Bench hin
@@chrisb.8497 the question is will he get benched. This is the worst season he has played. Overall he has been bad but not like this. Especially when he has this massive contract that could have been spent on the free agent market. I wish he was gone but who would take that money.
Some team with just as bad of a contract.
Best FA signing for this team is Bennett from FLA. Gives you all you need.
You guys have a tough job. Hope for your sanity that Hawks eventually turn it around
The only thing worse than the Hawks play on ice is the Chat. Holy smokes hot take city in there.
Who are the main guys we see not putting in any effort? I feel like only the young guys seem to care night in and night out
What a foolish comment about there’s starting to be pressure on Davidson… that’s from people who don’t get it! Nashville got the pick of the litter of signings last year and KD brought in a lot of people to try to help. It’s not his fault it didn’t work out. Think about a Nashville team who made the playoffs and brought in who they did. That’s why I agree the young guys need the chance next year…and we as fans should expect the 5-8 pick realistically. It’s a slow process
And that’s a great comment. We can’t blame Davidson yet. Plus the players that he drafted are even playing in the NHL and almost everyone is saying that this is not working or we should have gotten this player. This rebuild is the only way to get better. Yeah the Veterans failed badly this season but why should we even care about them. Some of them are going to be gone soon and that’s the opportunity to get the young players to play in the NHL. It’s a slow process but it has to happen.
Sorry but what are we doing here? Have you already forgotten the likes of Dach and Boqvist who were rushed into the NHL too quickly?
What good does it serve to bring up all the young guys next year? So you can have some more short-term fun watching this team, Mario? Sorry, but that's just incredibly shortsighted and counterproductive. And I'm nor talking about the guys who are ready and being artificially held back to keep veterans around (as you could argue with Nazar this year). I'm talking about all the other guys who'd be, at best, trying to stay afloat up in the NHL, because they are just not ready. Colton Dach is in that category this year, so was Korch last year. Even Nazar, who lit it up, is not producing. And constructing a team of more Dachs and Nazars next year won't help the rookies' production.
That is on top of the fact that the Hawks don't have a lot of guys who are Nazar-level ready in the first place, and they won't next year either. The truth is, the Hawks' prospect pool is not the same as the Sharks'. It is not as deep, and more importantly, not as ready.
That's why we NEED bad seasons to improve that prospect pipeline. How has everyone forgotten how long development takes just because the Hawks are maybe 7 spots below what everyone expected this year???!! My God.
Edit: While I'm calming down, Jay is basically making my exact point. But I don't understand how you say that, but 5 minutes earlier you two (I guess Mario specifically) were talking about getting rid of everybody to basically send out a U21 team next year.
Not all the young players will be brought up but would anyone would watch this shit team again next season? Also our prospect pool is deep. I’m not just talking about the players from Rockford but the players that are playing in the CHL or College or even the players that will be drafted this summer. Yeah we are not the same as the Sharks but every player develops differently. Sharks have their own pool of prospects and really we shouldn’t care about what they’re doing. What we can do is bring a few more young players when the trade deadline approaches because some of the veterans will be traded for picks and prospects. The roster for next season won’t be all rookies because we do have FA on July 1st and there is a lot of very talented players we could sign that’s not a player that’s in their mid 30s.
There might be 1 new surprise prospect that impresses enough at camp to be declared ready next year for NHL but most not yet. Have to find at least one other Bartuzzi type FA for 2025 out there. This team will not attract a top 6 FA 2025. Good news is our D-pool of prospects have graduated enough players where we don’t need another Martinez or Brodie. I would consider trading a goalie if theres a team that’s desperate at deadline. Also we can weaponize our cap space to get more draft picks.
@@isaacguerrero8873 also this FA has some really good players. We could probably get a better player than Bertuzzi. KD already knows that Veterans in their 30s because it’s not working out. The team might attract players because we have Bedard and we’re going to get a top 3 pick so the player will be NHL ready when we draft him. So there’s plenty of prospects and there is plenty of players to play with Conner. This is going to be an important offseason for Davidson.
I see we've moved on from "Seth Jones is a great Dman" to Levshunov truthers.
Oh yeah, never mind us saying literally moments ago to trade picks and prospects for a player to fix a mistake, that doesn't apply to Levshunov, let's stick our head in the sand and let a mistake at 2nd overall not be a correctable mistake by waiting 3 more years after a ELC is up to move on from what we are fairly certain was a mistake.
And CHGO wonders why their other coverage gets so more more viewers. Not hard to figure out boys.
As far as viewership numbers it extremely easy to figure out. Hockey is the least popular sport in every city in America(our fellow Americans are stupid and can’t seem to under hockey is a far superior sport). Hell even the wnba is becoming more popular than hockey so it makes perfect sense that a hockey podcast has the least amount of viewers on a channel that has podcasts about football, basketball and 2 baseball teams.
Why would Seth Jones want to stay here, rather than wave his no movement and go to a contender?
What contender has 9.5 in cap space? What contender even has 4.25 in cap space if the hawks were to retain 50%?
If we can find a sucker, ship him
Didn’t they buy out Huet? With a nasty contract? Not nearly as bad as jones but he’s a square peg in a round hole. We land a 1/2 pick definitely taking that dman. Schaffer * jones don’t fit the plan. Buyout necessary.
They are a minor league hockey team. I'm willing to bet that a lot of those teams would give them fits too.
Guys,Seth Jones is and always has been a bust for the Black Hawks since day one!Come on nine million a year for nine years!He ain’t worth half of that!
Wisconsin garb again???????
"I'm not going to assume it's a man"...really?
What are you talking about?
@Stzu-s2bt55 Jay saying he isn't going to assume the next coach is a man. Ridiculous comment.
@@emeryjones634 he said he assumed that it’s going to be a man. Full live stream of the Hawks and this is what you’re concerned about? Really? Not the game or the discussion of who should be brought up to the NHL? I’m just confused as why this is the issue that you had for the past hour.
@Stzu-s2bt55 there is nothing to see here. It's the same old song and dance with the team. They can't even lose in a different fashion to provide any new material. Trade everyone outside of Bedard, Vlasic, Bertuzzi, Dach, Nazar, Allen, and dare I say Crevier because he looks like your 7th D when this team actually matters. He's actually one of the better D on the team right now.
@@emeryjones634 yeah that’s what happens when you rebuild. By the 1st of march a lot of the veterans will be gone except Jones who can’t be moved because he’s under contract until 2030. So the young players will be able to get called up and play in the NHL. The record won’t change but were going to see a new look then having players that are in their 30s. This year is a mess but now KD should know that this team this season isn’t going to be back. If they are we’re going to see the same results.
I'm so sick of people saying SETH JONES SUCKS..... Can YOU DO BETTER .... I'm sick of people saying saying shit
Seth Jones suck.
I’m from Ohio, a life time hawk fan. Torts was a hell of a coach and had him playing as an offensive threat , but he was declining, I hated it that we got him as an elite (hope). Which has proven to be … he was just above average not worth 9.5mil
I ABSOLUTELY HATE WHEN PEOPLE HATE SETH JONES!!!!!!! I'm sick of it
I hate Seth Jones.
Seth Jones STINKS!!!!
I hate people, who hate people that hate Seth Jones!!!
I think people are definitely overreacting by blaming him for all of the (numerous) issues with this team, but it’s impossible to ignore how consistently poor his performance has been since he came back from ir.
@@745moto_fan you're trolling right? Please tell me you are trolling. Because if you aren't, I'd love to hear you try and defend his play that led to Calgary's 5th goal. Or any of his -4 mometns through 1.5 periods. Or any of the last 10 games.
So I haven't seen any comments on Mrazek's
performance tonight (?).
Not great...🫣
Is it just me or does this suck?
At this point we should just let these games go by. Give it till the deadline and with the players getting traded we can bring the players from Rockford. Next year can’t be worse.
Every chicago team has the same problem, players that don't want to be there. The teams are lucky the fans suffer from stokholm syndrome