Players Got Irritated At Me Cause I Wouldn't Give Them More Diamonds | Narrated D&D Story
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2023
- It’s so strange to me that people are mad about finite resources or their being consequences for your actions in a game that is determined by…your actions. I understand some players just want the power fantasy and approach DND like a video game and their only interest is blowing up monsters and getting loot. I may be biased because I don’t run games that way or have any interest in playing in a game like that. What do you think? Do you run games that have consequences for your decisions? To be clear, there is no wrong way to play, I want to hear what you think!
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I love it when people want to Play Non-Believers in DnD; that told me their character believes that all the gods are fake and just Powerful Wizards, dragons, and such and so deserve to die and free the fake gods believers, So this had this one player who had got tosome quite high level and decided to finally "expose" the "local" god who controlled the realm as they had kill some other fake gods across my world and this one was quite Famous, He finds a high level Seer (a mystic source) and asks if its a dragon and Seer tells them no; and then the Seer gives a sly smile and asks if they have any more questions (it cost around 500gp a question and they are yes or no answers) pays up and asks if it is a demon or a devil the seer says no and then asks do they want any more seer-ing done so the player says no of course, so Mr God killer got the group to kill almost all the clergy in the temple and went to destroy the "fake" god, they had also snuck about the temple and had set up these anti-magic devices that stop all Mortal realm magic and since they had worked on high level Wizards and one dragon (all of whom had been pretending to be gods) it would all be Fine, just another pretender after all; nothing can go wrong.
so he does a surprise Attack and does a surprising amount of damage and said even if they have maxed out their health they are dead and the player tells me they must be dead and since the "god" is not a dragon they must be successful, When the GOD get up and starts throwing spells at them (some not i the players hand book) and inflicting some serious damage killing them all,
well they accuse me of cheating, so i show them the sheet it showed them that it actually was a god and he said that they asked about it, and i said that they had asked if it was a dragon to which i said no, you never asked about it actually being a god, they then said i should have told them and i said that's not my job, that's your job to research and i gave plenty of clues and you dismissed them as just tales for the foolish or just propaganda to fool these idiots, and just because you thought they were all fake you dismissed any thing that did not suit your Narrative (That all the gods were fake), Just because some of the Gods were fake does not mean they all are - you fucked about and found out the hard way.
I had made up some fake gods (The high level Wizards, a demon and one ancient dragon) all of which were very high profile tossers who all deserved to be taken down, and a few real ones (yes actual gods on the mortal plane) and that they were known as gods but not being dicks about it, they went to each of the fake gods like i had railroaded the encounters
honestly sounds like a cool plot idea. and the whole idea of there being some grey area with atheism in dnd works best if its more an argument of taxonomy "i don't refute that its a powerful entity with some reality warping powers, i just refuse to classify it as a god, I've seen the wizard smaller scaled versions of alot of what this god managed to do and he isn't a god even the spirits from other planes aren't gods powerful as they may be are not considered gods therefore I have no reason to believe that say pelor is a god any more then the incredibly powerful wizard we met before was"
Party: Hello?
Cleric: Hey, what's up?
Party: We need your help, can you c'mere?
Cleric: I can't, I'm buying Diamonds.
Party: Well, hurry up and come over here.
Cleric: I can't find 'em
Party: What do you mean you can't find them?
Cleric: I can't find them, there's only soup...
Party: Well get outta the soup aisle!
Cleric: All right, you don't hafta shout at me...! There's more soup.
Party: Whaddaya mean there's more soup?!
Cleric: There's just more soup!
Party: Go into the next aisle!
Cleric: There's still soup!
Party: Where are you right now?!
Cleric: I'm at soup!
Party: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE AT SOUP?!
Cleric: I MEAN I'M AT SOUP!
Party: WHAT STORE ARE YOU IN?!
Cleric: I'M AT THE SOUP STORE!!
Party: *WHY ARE YOU BUYING DIAMONDS AT THE SOUP STORE?!*
Cleric: *BECAUSE THE GM, SUCKS BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAD ONE!!*
I silently laughed at this at work. Thank you
I love that dialogue, watched a TF2 Spy and Demoman version of it. You are missing 2 lines if you didn't catch it.
Cleric: I can't find them, there's only soup...
1) Party: What do you mean there's only soup?
2) Cleric: I mean there's only soup.
Party: Well get outta the soup aisle!
When it comes to the other spells, it’s easy to rectify. Just give him a chance to find a pouch of small diamonds.
Perfect for using for other spells, but none of them are the required type for a revivify.
That way, he can’t complain that he can’t use all the other spells, but he can’t use the small diamonds to resurrect anybody.
This man really thought the DM invented Warhammer
I'm with the DM on this one. Ration better and *stop dying*.
Write your campaigns better
@Ma121Hunter stop doing dumb things that get you killed
I know, right?
When I had to play a campaign without equipment and a -6 debuff to all rolls, the DM explained to me I just have to roleplay better.
As a player, I have almost always played as if we did not have access to resurrection magic of any kind. Back in pre-4e any resurrection magic was traumatic to the soul and would cause you to lose a level every time it was used. It was very punishing, but encouraged players to value the life they had. Additionally, older editions required Astral diamonds, not mundane diamonds from the Prime Material, making resurrection even more difficult since the component was only ever sold in very specialized stores.
As a GM, I agree that easy access to resurrection cheapens death and makes it meaningless. While it is our responsibility to make sure everyone has fun, we also need to provide challenges and tell a story. In this particular case, the GM doesn't sound like they were being malicious. The player just sounds entitled; the sort of person who would demand to see a manager because a store doesn't stock a particular item at a retail store.
@@Suntensatsu21 Abundance of resurrection magic also changes DM behaviour.
If the party constantly needs diamonds, the campaign is probably kind of difficult.
Too many players (and a number of DMs) are far too "video game"-minded when it comes to obtaining materials -- particularly rare(r) spell components. In many of my games (been playing/running for about 40 years), obtaining "x" materials sometimes becomes itself a subplot or even ongoing aspect of a given campaign. (This was more so reflected in earlier editions of the game, where you might at times have to go on multi-session arcs to obtain, say, Umber Hulk blood, or similar-such. Same thing with diamonds -- while not as rare as UH blood, for sure, it well can be that a draw on the local (and that can include within a 100+ mile radius) demand for "x" (diamonds in this case) can be such that none might be available for purchase/exchange.) Sidenote: I often have it that many items/materials can't, as a matter of principle, simply be "bought", but must be sought after and/or bartered for, with said bartering often requiring taking on endeavors for others or exchanging a similarly rare/difficult to find material or object in order to receive "x" in return. The video game-esque "I just stop by to pick up my local prescription for 5,000gp in [diamonds] at the pharmacy..." has *never* been "a thing" in my campaigns, ever. (That isn't to say that, circumstantially, some things might be readily available due to location or setting -- the PCs happening to be at or near an active diamond mine, in this case -- would make obtaining diamonds a much simpler matter... but that is again circumstance-dependent and contextually supported, not just there "cuz I gotz all dis lootz, dood..."...)
This was well thought out, thanks! Yet another opportunity to improve my mindset as a DM. I'm fairly new at it, so this sort of thing is very helpful.
yep stores will limit their stores to things they Know and sell, and if it is not what they sell the money they would receive upon selling goes way down, they stopped trying to sell every thing at the local store when they only got 10% off the worth, "if you do not like it go some place else because i am going to have to work like hell to sell this stuff" said the Merchant
The limiting factor here is supposed to be the cost. The rarer diamonds are in the setting, the smaller a 1000gp diamond would be
@Michael-ju7xu this is one thing I don't understand. The reason for the cost of a diamond is its quality, cut, and color. It doesn't make sense to me that inflation would change the value of the material components on the magic spectrum, because if it does, then magic is somehow involved in mortal economy?
This player secretly wants to abuse the hell out of glyph, and the GM thinks it's about revive... hilarious!
So I always run my games with your actions have consequences, are they always bad consequences no! My players know that and we have had zero issues
I don't even play war hammer and that theory made me question his intelligence
3:03 General Kenobi you are a bold one!
For the second story, if you were on Discord when this happened and he 'didn't believe the gods really existed', just start spamming him with links to books and novels and expanded lore that prove that they do, in fact, exist in this setting. Like, bruh, it's a whole franchise with a massive playerbase and a lot of expanded lore. He's not making this shit up on the spot to make his campaign cooler.
If that doesn't shut him up, then nothing will. But I guess it got resolved anyway. I would've taken the more petty route, tbh lol
Life's a bitch, get over it. that's the way the dice roll. You want them, Pay the price......
Hy: consequences:
Yep. In Mágus - Hungarian RPG - there is no resurrection. Less fighting monsters, a lot of politics, a lot of culture and hierarchy.
I do my stuff and I often mess up my NPCs - and mean ROYALLY. For things they do (bc I make them) for things the PCs mess up and they correct or just for fun.
When they do something it has a chance to comback to them on +- or to anyone else.
And they sometimes get accused for things other people did (rare)
One of my players triggered an underworld war between the old and new mafia of a city. The bodies hit the floor and the PCs did something else untill they also had to join in minimally. I did explain to the player that he did this. It was a misunderstanding and the party was not the culprit. Never XD.
YIRBEL LIVES! Diamonds relating to resurrection seem to be all the hot topic the last few stories. I don't recall that being part of the base game is this just a coincidence? Eek they expected diamonds to be easy come by?
Diamonds have been required for resurrection spells since at least 3rd edition.
@@Groundlordhuh! I did not know that! Then again I've never been part of a campaign where a resurrection spell was used
Having access to 3 revives over the course of a campaign is absolutely wild in my eyes but then the player complains after getting a 4th that it's still not enough? wtf?!
I can understand finite resources but I had a dm once that made health Potions rare. So basic health Potions in 5e (2d4+2 healing) cost 100 GP each and by 8th level he had only actually let us buy 2. I say let cuz he offered them all the time when we were first starting out and completely broke and then after we started being able to buy them he started saying they didn't have any in stock. So my Druid was forces into full time healer cuz he liked deadly encounters
I get that the players feel that it’s unfair but, if the DM let them get more then death would mean as much as it does in comics or dragon ball and would make it less fun or at least, less likely that the players would care about consequences.
It's a kinda nice day when a player uninvites themselves to a game when they think they outsmarted the DM but in reality, they are just a blockhead. I only have a passing knowledge of Warhammer since I've never touched a game or book in its universe, but I know that biggest plot point of the Warhammer universe is that gods are real and humanity worships a king who is a god.
I can see the reasoning in both allowing their to be resources when they have the money to buy the resources otherwise what's the point of giving out gold as a reward but also the players should be more mature and thought about differing options
im not sure howmany consume the diamonds in the casting, i know the res one does, but others just say yu need a diamond to cast the spell and it has to be worth a certain amount of gold, but unless it says its consumed the material component is never consumed in the cast. but yea i would have not picked a spell caster that depends on diamonds if i knew going in diamonds were super rare. in fact i prolly wouldnt play in a game that limits spell materials at all as the spells are already limited by the slots. its just an unfair burden on the caster, its like telling players that martial weapon are rare so you will only ever come across like 3 then you have to use simple weapons...
in that game if i really wanted to use those spells i would just make a creation bard...
the guy in the second story sounds infuriating less because they think the idea they tossed out is correct even ignoring the massive flaws in the rational for "evil wizards pretending to be a god to get money, in a setting were wizards don't exist in Warhammer 40k the closest thing to a wizard has a high risk of getting itself killed or drawing the wrath or curiosity of a chaos god that would probably ruin the whole con and in a setting where money is a lot less useful as an end all goal . (granted I'm not super well versed in warhammer 40k lore but I know its possible to still get turned into a servitor for doing nothing wrong or even winning a fight with a demon its just a precautionary measure that sucks for the person)
even in straight dnd the plot sounds less like a BBEG plot and more a starting point for a campaign arc or a B plot of "ignore the man behind the curtain he's not important" or a base template for the real twist, "turns out the fake god they were impersonating was real and they accidently revived and let it loose so now we need to deal with that running around before it ends the world."
or
"we took out the heads of the cult but now the rest of them have scattered to pursue personal agendas and we need to try and weed them out before they do some serious damage."
or
"the whole evil god to get money thing was a past exploited that's more of a bio blurb for the backstory and context of how they have the money and resources for the current plot."
its a good starting point or springboard for a later twist but its so basic even on its own it lacks the depth to be a big reveal. its hardly worth being smug over predicting it when its not even a good twist "I bet the gods aren't even real and its just like evil wizard of OZ"
dude in the 2nd story was the definition of an ignoramus
Spells really shouldn’t require material components unless it’s some high ass level spell or a ritual. If the pc purposefully picked these types of spells then that’s on them other wise needing the diamond to cast shouldn’t be necessary
I don't think material components are bad to have in a magic system but I can agree dnd 5e could have handled them much better.
I'm curious what other spells need diamonds? Aren't the higher level resurrection spells just diamonds or diamonds dust worth X amount? Is that it or am I missing some?
Glyph of Warding
Give them a quest.
Raid a kobold mine, work for the church.. you can also use Matt Mercers revival rules to limit res's
Different death rules, increasing DC on revives.
I don’t mind the minimal access to diamonds, but at least one should be available at least, which this was. I mean heck, my party right now is trying to revive our wizard (heart of the party, didn’t make sense for the party not to try) and is taking on a cultist stronghold to gain access to a dragon’s hoard to get a diamond of the necessary value we need to revive him. We have permission from that dragon by the way, they want us to clear out their old hoard spot. Also they have a soft spot for our wizard’s friend who begged them to help us. So yeah, I love this part of the story. It’s meaningful. But just buying them whenever? That doesn’t feel right, especially if you got access to one already. Seems petty to be mad about that.
I feel like the "access to diamonds" thing should be made clear going forward, especially if playing a character relying on diamonds for spells. At the same time. The player should have been more understanding once the DM tried to explain. A take away for my own table, but I tend to over-give resources personally.
It was already made clear. The story literally said DM had talked to him about it already, and that he easily could have gotten one he just needed to talk to different npcs
@@andrewrobinson8199 I must have misheard. I thought it said the DM pulled him aside to explain that the setting had limited resources after; listened while at work, haha
@@Empathyfreak Fwiw, I was in the Reddit thread just this last week (this video surprised me being that soon ago) the OP did confirm he advised them of limited (diamond) resources in the various regions before the campaign started . "Player got irritated at me because I wouldn’t give them more diamonds" was the thread and OP/user was ForeverTheSupp (in the DnD subreddit) if you want to dig around.
Second guy was trying to make a flat earther conspiracy theorist character. DM made the right call avoiding that red flag from his behavior though.
Diamonds are not rare in the slightest
first story could have been left out. a winey player isnt a good story.
Second story wasn't much better tbh. This video was mediocre at best.
@@jessl1934 for real, i didnt even bother to comeback but totes agree
Lol, imagine playing dnd back in the day. It was Ninja Gaiden difficulty.
Okay, at this point I’m sure that some writing prompt is generating these. How many diamonds stories can be generated in such a small amount of time?
Wouldn't be surprised if that were true. This topic is to dnd content creators what drama is to keemstar.
Could also be that one story reminds / inspire others to write their own stories about similar topic.
Dnd is ruined. Dm has lost all agency and its all about player fun and op options and if you dare to bring some challenge and consequences then its bad cause you are ruining their "fun" a game with no consequences, player character growth or danger is not dnd anymore. I am just done dm-ing it cause people are too sensitive these days about anything and i am just done. I dont know why i am ranting here but yeah.
I ran one for my kids and nephew. Session 0 I asked them if Mario bros was the best and most well known Nintendo game. They agreed. They didn’t grow up with it, but they talked about how much fun it was when they played it. So I gave them a quiz. What happens when you miss the mushroom? (No power up). What happens when you ignore gold coins? (You don’t collect them). What happens when you run face first into a turtle? (You die.). So I asked again if they loved that game, and they all said yes. I then said to keep that in mind. In my game, your actions will usually have some kind of consequences. If you ignore certain things, you’ll miss important stuff. If you assume that you can’t be killed, you’ll probably find out that you can. And the world around them isn’t an AI running a program. The NPCs will see and remember what they do and don’t do. Their reputations will spread, and they’ll be treated accordingly. Their job is to do whatever they want to do. MY job is to run the world, and make sure the rules are followed. I’m going to present them with challenges and quests and puzzles and chances for great rewards. Some of them might seem too dangerous or unfair. They should follow their gut on that. If you can’t imagine fighting a dragon right now, maybe you should save dragon hunting for another day when you’re better prepared. Only three main rules at my table. Just because YOU know something doesn’t mean your player does. The dice are always fair. And lastly, the gods LOVE the taste of cheaters. Don’t make them hungry.
...i mean, i guess you could technically make an argument that the emperor of man is an evil wizard, but it really doesn't sit right with me.
As for the first story, death in dnd isn't really meant to be a consequence, it's meant to be more of an inconvenience. Resurrection should be affordable and easy to come by.
Diamonds are inherently worthless though, and it would actually be confusing for there to not be a lot of diamonds available.
In a dnd world, it would not be confusing in the slightest. After all, influential people would use them to cheat death every generation since the discovery of such magic. I could easily imagine a setting where the world has completely run out of diamonds due to this.
Also, I agree diamonds are worthless if you think about it rationally. Most people do not.