How To Make Your Bow SHOOT FASTER Immediately!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- How to make your bow shoot faster. It is easy all you need to do is to get a different bowstring.
The problem is that a faster bowstring comes at a cost, this is what we talk about today!
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Never stop creating my dude! Your videos are amazing! :D
You learn something every day, cheers
Wow. I found that interesting. Thanks
Kramer, again you’ve raised the bar! I’m surprised at the speeds of the strings! Fast flight is not as fast as I thought. Good knowledge.....thanks.
I've just put a fast flight BCY 652 Spectra on my horse bow and man they really fly but there's more noise and hand shock but it's worth it.
Just got my D-97 string and man I love it. Such craftsmanship and love put into it wanted to order a tab but was out of stock but I'll keep checking in to see if they restock
I've been watching your chann for awhile,and man I'm proud of you,really you work hard,and listening to you I like the way you think,it's important when you challenge yourself like this in order to better the product,such as the bow,you are always striving for protection,,please continue,I enjoy your vids man,thanx
Subbed and going to your store for a string... strange chance I was looking at my bow a few weeks ago, noting the string to have disappeared elsewhere last year thinking its about time I hunted down a new string, not even looking for anything bow related I just now stumbled on your video, blessings to you brother.
Just got my B55 in the mail and it’s awesome! Great product and great videos. Keep it up!
Btw thanks for the bow string. Placed an order a few days ago. Can't wait for it to arrive 👍
Another good and informative video buddy! I do have a bone to pick with you - ordered and received a split finger right hand tab for my birthday/Father's day gift to myself, and how dare you make a product of such awesome quality that it made a 20+ year glove shooter switch to a tab?! Seriously though, I had shot tabs a few times over the years but never liked the feel I got and usually would struggle to shoot them without pinching the nock and rolling my arrows off the shelf, but I committed myself to giving yours an honest chance. After watching Jake Kaminski's video about properly trimming a tab, I put it to work with the one I got from you, and I'll be damned if it's not the sweetest shooting way to loose an arrow! I love it, and definitely will be ordering more, just so I never run out! Super quality and craftsmanship!! Thanks, bro!
Please beware: First check whether your bow is designed for Fast Flight bowstrings. If the limbs of your bow are only designed for dakron bowstrings, they could get damaged by a string made of material with less stretch. Btw amazing video, as always.
Yep this is why with an old Fiberglass Bow I got that could have been made from 1960-1979, it was B-55 not B-50 due to needing faster then B-50 as that needs to stretch in for the bow yes they make the B-50 a 1/2 inch shorter then B-55 due to stretch of 3 inches yet not able to even take the D-97, the precursor to the fast flight.
Yeah probably no good on my long in the tooth English longbow
Ok you have tested professional bow string. Now try naturals and improvised. Mabie hemp, cinew, stinging nettles, or rawhide. Most important try dental floss! That's primarily what I use and I've always wondered what the deal is.
Great video as always little brother, I never get bored watching you. You have so much energy and always looking for something new to try. Don’t forget the wheelbarrow handle. Your brother in Christ, WRV
Tip: some times it just the draw length and somtimes the strings
Finally a test with numbers! Thanks a lot. I would have imagined it to be more. Is the slowest one something like Dacron? Or maybe even the Same? By the way, I finished an Ash bow (my first!) with YOUR Design, shot 300 arrows, tried to bend a recurve to make it faster, broke it, cut it from 64'' to 58'', retillered and it ahoots again. And I see your channel taking off. 100k easy peasy. Will Not stop there, I promise. Your best tip: Take it slow ;-) cheers from Austria.
Great info and very well presented for people new to strings. Although I think the way you measured the stretch is slightly flawed.
Something you missed which is very important is the difference between stretch and creep. Stretch is the length the string shortens by when no longer under load due to elasticity as shown in the video, creep happens over time as the fibres take a new set under load and won't spring back to original length.
To get the most performance and stability out of your string it is best to pre-stretch your string under 2-3x the weight it will be shot at, overnight/for 24 hours. This allows the fibres to take their final set length so it won't creep through use.
If you had done this before measuring the "stretch"/speed here I think the Dyneema and Spectra string speeds would be far more comparable. Also, string length, twists per inch and strand count effect stretch and speed a lot.
Personally I prefer Dyneema fibres to Spectra(FastFlight)., I haven't noticed a speed difference and Dyneema feels smoother and more forgiving/less shock to me. I also prefer the thin strands of SK90 Dyneema, very easy to get a super round string the exact diameter you want. Both are HMPE and should perform very similarly speed wise, I would avoid anything with Vectran in on bows that doen't have wheels.
All the best from UK.
Great video as always have you thought about doing a video about how to make your own wooden arrows?
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O thanks IV been needing this vid
@@kramerammonsarchery o yeah
Nice test Kramer. So why does anyone shoot anything other than a Fast Flight String? BTW, What weight was the bow you used for the test?
Hi Kramer,
I really enjoy your videos. I'm trying to find out about .532 paracord and the efficacy of using it.
I'm using it on some of my bows with no adverse effects so far that I'm aware of. I was worried about excessive stretch and tested it by taking a taking a 10' length and hanging a 50 lb. dumbell from it over night next to a yard stick. After 12 hours the string had stretched no measurable amount or zero. So far I've been too lazy to run arrows thru my chronograph.
I really don't want to hurt your business with this info.
I put paracord in the same class with ductape........always have some around.
When I'm shooting, I always have some around in case a Bowstring breaks.
Well I'm rattling on aimlessly. Well back to your videos.
PS; I'm 78yrs and archery's about the only thing I can still do.
Interesting. I guess all the stretch is initial?
@@kf4293 Theres a Video where he's comparing Paracord, Fishingline and standard String material. You should be able to find it on his channel
Great video !
As a question. With a Flemish twist why not twist the entirety of the bow string?
I’ve been shooting a fiberglass boat since I was five but I’m trying to get into traditional archery. I don’t have a lot of money to spend do you have any suggestions on a bow that would work well for me?
Boats are expensive. I'd buy a bow with good reviews or try my hand at making one! Either way is cheaper than a boat!
At least from a hunting perspective, a 5fps increase really isn't much to consider making a switch. With recurve bows it's arrow weight that matters more anyways, not velocity. A heavier arrow will be quieter and penetrate better. Anywhere from 500-700gr (including broadhead) is usually a sweet spot.
nice .. talk about speed of bow strings then sell all 3 in your store .. nice way to do it .. :P
kramer I think you cant make ottoman horn bow, can you do ?
I don't even shoot. I just find your passion for what you do a joy to watch!
Most archers dont really care about FPS more so Accuracy ,Unless your hunter, Lighter arrows, Or Going up with higher poundage, Like 2-5 fps increase with every 1 pound added, You can also overdraw, Like pull back further, or below the ear or past that point like longbowmen instead of archor point being rested on your face/chin, to get that more poundage, and 20+ Fps increase if you wanted (Trad archers do this, as you cannot do if you using compound or a sight )
Hi Kramer,
I have been attempting my board bow over the past couple weeks and struggle to get my draw knife to shave off wood consistently through the length of the stave. Any tips for a smother, more consistent shave with a draw knife?
@@kramerammonsarchery Thanks, I guess I will just need more patience. Got my tillering string from your website, ready to start tillering another bow(hopefully) this weekend
THANKS!!! This just answered a question I didn't realize I had. Due to a shoulder Injury, I've had to drop back from a 65lb draw to a 45lb draw. And also move to a compound bow for the lower holding weight. I think you've given me a viable option to get shooting higher speed traditional bows again. Do you have any other ideas or options for increasing arrow speed?
Don't forget though that switching to one of those faster strings will likely lead to increased hand shock. That may be acceptable for you since the injury was in your shoulder, but it is definitely a point to consider before jumping into something. I hope you find a way to get back into it though, traditional archery is crazy fun!
Interesting comparison. Not really that big difference, though. A lighter arrow can increase the speed even more. I read that 300fps is possible with a recurve! But that is by many considered as dry shot. Can't a recurve handle high speeds as good as a compound?
I have a 62" takedown recurve bow Martin saber, I think it has lost it's speed. I would to know if it's the bow or string if you could reply back to me I will purchase what you offer. Please and thank you.
Hey watsup Kramer, I want to leave UA-cam for good, they have banned one too many voices, I hope more will join you on your Bitchute account, as a matter of habit - and protest, once you create it. I am messaging all my youtube accounts that don't have a bitchute mirror, and telling them to get onto bitchute - because I'm leaving UA-cam and I want to keep watching their videos. Can someone start the hashtag leavingyoutube?
Another interesting video, Kramer. I only make Dacron strings myself (B50 or 55 depending on what I can get here) and they're fine for me. I was surprised that the fast Flight didn't provide more speed than it did, the serious target archers swear by it.
I notice you didn't use string silencers/dampers in the test, these would obviously slow the string down and it would be interesting to see the difference with them fitted.
Personally, I do think that the difference in thickness between Dacron and Fast Flight is a factor.
If a string stretches, will that stretch change the draw weight of the bow?
Does the extra stretch cause the change the speed of arrow as displayed?
Shorter string faster arrow because it's changing the draw weight. This would have been shown if tested.
@@Alwis-Haph-Rytte Kind of yes and no - when we talk of string stretch we're actually only talking of very small amounts, just enough to take your brace height from 'perfect' to say a half inch or so below at most. If the string is longer than this then it must have been the wrong length to start with. I don't believe that a correct string, of any material, would stretch far enough to dramatically change the brace height and therefore draw weight/speed. BUT there is an argument that a stretched string might increase the arrow speed as the arrow stays on the string longer and is therefore pushed harder? Then you have different bows, different archer form, etc., etc.
@@timbayliss7720 I started in archery back in the early 70's. Back then we even knew that the amount a string stretches will change the draw weight. The stretch length results he had was almost 2 inches longer. It was the draw weight change that caused the arrow speed. Sorry but it was a flawed video.
@@Alwis-Haph-Rytte I'd say we're about the same age/ experience but I'm a little confused, I don't really understand the point you are making. I have assumed that we have been discussing 'stick' bows that require a precise brace height to operate at optimum performance? If a string stretches 2" then the brace height will be so low as to be possibly detrimental to the limbs, it will definitely put the bow performance way out of whack. Similarly if the bow is braced too high then there would be reduced string movement to push the arrow. But neither of these affects draw length/draw weight as draw length is measured from the bow hand location to full draw and doesn't rely on the string/limb position, as long as a reasonable brace height is maintained. Kramer Ammons is a bowyer so we have to take it that he knows enough to string a bow to a reasonably decent brace height. Also, draw weight in itself will definitely not increase arrow speed, compare a D section longbow to a modern design recurve. The recurve being faster at a much lower draw weight due to geometry.
@@timbayliss7720 Let me try to explain. My point is his video that I find flawed because it doesn't account for the change in draw weight caused by the stretching of the strings. No matter what string is used, the stretched strung string has to be the exact same length to compare arrow speed vs the type of string used. At 4:05 he clearly shows a length difference of 1 3/4 inches between the less stretchable and the more stretchable string. His demonstration was flawed for not factoring that in on draw weight. This isn't comparing different types of bows. He used the same bow, but the draw weight was altered by 3 different strung string lengths with the longest one being a string that stretched 1 3/4 longer then the shorter. The shorter string shot the fastest arrow.
All 3 strings "unstrung" were the same length. "But" once strung that changed, which changed the draw weight. The longer the string, the less the draw, a fact known for centuries. This was so obvious I'm shocked that others didn't realize it. I commented to you because you stated that you make your own strings, so I thought you might see my point.
This is a discussion I've had with those with much more experience then me years ago. It's the draw weight that is changed by how much the sting stretches in length when strung. Because the fast flight stretches less, it has the higher draw weight which causes more speed.
Slightly off topic but is a flemish string better than a continuous loop? I have an old Browning bow that came with one and it looks cool and shoots well but my other bows just have the stock all black strings in the continuous loop style. I like the feel of the browning but am not sure how much of that is the string as it is a shorter bow than the others and also not a takedown. I often shoot several hours at a time; would I be better served by using such a flemish string on the newer bows (sadly don't shoot the browning as much it is after all older than I am) ?
Perform khatra and you get get over 10 ft per second more. Technique is important in gaining speed along with superior materials
What was the difference in sound among the three. Not sure but I think the “dowinggggg” of the string is louder between d 55 and d 97?
Or shoot an asiatic reflex bow and learn how to use the military method, khatra or the snatched release. 205 fps is nothing for these bows unless they are only 35 to 40 lbs
Thanks Kramer, this is an awesome video. Makes good sense, I had been wondering how some strings are faster and some bows are rated (reinforced) for different strings. The more static line hammers the limbs but transfers more energy to the arrow, while the more dynamic line would have a softer effect on the limbs but absorb some of that energy instead of putting it into the arrow.
Interesting. How did each string feel to you, the archer? Was there a dramatic increase in shock or noise?
I have a samick sage takedown. What kind of bow string should I get?
Kramer,
Where do you get your ipe and bamboo from? I’d love to make a laminated reflex deflex bow like the ones you have made.
Awesome videos, keep them coming!
Ok. Thanks so much!
Hola qué tal. Soy nuevo en esto. Me gustaría saber tienes algunas plantillas (template) para longbow en formato pdf 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Unless for hunting, I want my bow string to be LOUD. I want to hear it’s natural process
Try testing the speed using a paracord string
For improvising in case you need a string fast
So if I’m understanding this correctly since I plan on attempting to make a bow and potentially (more then likely just target) but hunt with it then d97 is the way to go. Correct? Because it would offer the most kinetic energy. Correct me if I’m not understanding.
@@kramerammonsarcheryawesome thank you so much keep up the great work
Is it still power hour?
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Will these tips work for a compound bow.
The stretch changes the draw weight and speed because it makes the string longer. Leaving a bow strung for long periods will also change/reduce arrow speed. His test was flawed because he never compared draw weight. Only use the string the manufacturer recommends. When the bow is strung, it's under tension, so of course the longer string will be slower than the shorter. Same goes for a compound bow.
Damm! I missed response hour!
FF kills you wood long bow...it is made for modern new bows...the bows need this "soft" strech....to absorb the energy...
I usually use ff on my wood bows. I've not had any problems. When I make a B 50 strings, it vibrates after the shot.
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Thanks for the tip(hint) Kramer ;)
What music did you use in this video?
10fps isn't even worth it lol.
You can always go up poundage, There typically,2-5fps, increase with every pound you add,Or use lighter arrows,
Worth what?
@@mrnice752 Changing the strings out.
I will try to do it with Woodprix plans.
Which one do you recommend for a homemade bow
B-50 / B-55 Dacron
Great video as usual.
Nice video, next time you should include the string grain weight, the TBB vol 2 says that 20gr equals 1 fps. That doesn't sound like a lot but I had a factory string that was 140gr and the b55 I twisted up was 80 gr. so it adds up. Also, a clicker or some kind of draw stop would be beneficial as the subconscious brain make you do things to achieve your bias.
Great vid. Thanks
Great to see numbers with methodology even if all the variables aren't completely controlled.
Brace height is one of them that is easy to miss, if the recommended range is 1.5", going from the bottom to the top of that range may have the same effect on arrow speed... Completely anecdotal and I don't have a Chrono to test it, but I'm curious if B55 at minimum brace height might close a decent amount of the gap... Oh but then the arrow tune might be a problem, so add a heavier tip... Now the arrow is heavier, but maybe if we switch from a metal nock to a tied one... Then shrink the center serving....hmmm yeah ok, oh but now the bow makes a berrrummmmm noise instead of a nice thrrmmp... Ok a bit of wool... Yeah now it's sounding nice, but the arrow is slower than when I started.
Rinse and repeat, but I fear nothing shall come for free. Tune it, tinker with it and make it yours. Slow and silent, fast and loud, florescent or subdued.
Great video as always. Quick Flemish twist question. Is putting in back twist compensating for twist put into each bundle individually or the string as a whole when splicing the second loop? Have you thought about laminating a something over the drywall tape? For example red oak bow, 6 layers tape thin strip of maple on top?
What is the pound bow you use
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So, I know B-50 is Dacron(polyester), D-97 is Dyneema, but what is "fashflight"?
D97 is SK75 Dyneema, Brownell FastFlight was the same as BCY's 652 Spectra
If a string stretches, will that stretch change the draw weight of the bow?
Does the extra stretch cause the change the speed of arrow as displayed?
Shorter string faster arrow because it's changing the draw weight. This would have been shown if tested.
Thanks for another great video. Do string types on a compound make as much a difference as well?
cool video! may I ask, other than brace height variance, what other effects are associated with having twists and not having twists on a bow string (barebow)? Thanks
Dear Sir, I am impressed as much by your video skills as much as i am by your content. Well done.
I have "recovered" from an impacted shoulder. I think I want to go with the most comfy shot, that whole vibration up the arm thing.
sir can u sell me a bow?
Thanks for these videos, you have inspired me to start making bows! I heard a fastflight string was not suitable to all wooden bows because they need a bit of stretch in the string otherwise the shock at the end of its travel puts too much strain on the limbs. The bit of stretch in B55 etc cushions the impact.
Wow, I´ve never heard about this - very informative video! Thank´s a lot!!
Err stronger limbs, lighter string, lighter arrow, shorter limbs and longer draw all make your bow shoot faster.
Interesting that the bow string loses the stretch over time. Does that mean you lose speed if you hold the bow too long before releasing?
Just stopped tillering a bow to watch this yeet! it's a bow kinda day and this video is gonna make it better.
I’m currently working on a bow! Any tips for a bow making noob?
Nice video
I made my own sinew bow strings. How does sinew compare to synthetic strings?
looks like a flemish twist helps ensure your string is springy. , does stretch help increase accuracy?
I run x99
Came here for that bow on your still... Stayed for the valuable info
Cool
Thanks for the lesson Dr. Kramer ;) Greetz again from overseas :)
Thanks so much from the Highlands of Scotland!!
My second bow developed a compression crack today after some much work , backing with Rawhide etc... 15 shots in and there was the wee line across the belly.
I needed this video as I do all of yours.
You deserve the world my friend. . Myself and my 4 year old son are keeping on going by your videos.
Big Love from the Tartan Army!
Hey, an opportunity to learn as you taught us right? And I saw why it failed..Never make the same mistakes!
Och Aye, I will. He is 4 years old and plays your vids every single day, he makes the Arrows out of Ash and shoots scary at split finger.
But your enthusiasm has won him into this. If only you knew.
Great work, and God bless.
I’ve been shooting and making bow strings longer than you’ve been alive and I didn’t know just how much difference there was in fastflght string. I always just assumed it was thinner for the same strength. Thanks man
If a string stretches, will that stretch change the draw weight of the bow?
Does the extra stretch cause the change the speed of arrow as displayed?
Shorter string faster arrow because it's changing the draw weight. This would have been shown if tested.
The string that came with mine (Indian Archery "Traditional" fiberglass bow 35lb) was linen,
My new string slowed it down quite a bit, Maybe the linen was a bit overbuilt for an all poly bow?
Good video!
Very interesting that your bow came with a linen string, was this a 'vintage' bow? I make linen Flemish strings occasionally but only for demonstration, I don't actually use them on bows because they have very little stretch. In fact when wet they shrink a bit (allegedly!). Back in the day, the Welsh and English archers used linen strings on their longbows but they also broke so many bows that they would usually take spare bows with them into battle. This is why Flemish strings have an 'adjustable' loop on one end to take account of slightly differing bow lengths.
I have finally seen the video. Very cool! Thanks a lot. I was nice to see it in numbers. But I have another suggestion for you.
What is the difference or is there any difference in speed between flemish bow string and endless loop. The same length, same brace hight and same bow? I have a feeling that flemish is slower becouse of the twist. Could you test it? Would be interesting to see. By the way thanks for always interesting and well done videos! Greetings from Sweden!
I would think due to design the Flemish loop is more durable though due to the looping so if hunting quite a bit or doing lots of target stuff the Flemish string is the one to use.
Another great knowledge share, cheers 🙂🏹
Everytime you make a video most of it always answer my question about bow maintenance, very good. So i have a question, is there any effect between braided and unbraided string???
Braided fibres are much heavier, and offer only slightly less stretch. Non-braided always outperforms braided for strings. Braided fibres work well for servings, though they are more expensive.
Can you make a bow out of a wooden doorframe
If you made a recurve out of a long bow, would it bow? Asking for a friend....
Yes, check out Clay Hayes. He recurves a lot of his stick bows.
Say, just how good would you say the duct tape backing method is? Would you recommend using it for a new bow? (As in, not just for repair). Also, it would be interesting to see how a PVC/any wood bow would work (plus you could also make a PVC bow in the same video, for more content)
Kramer Ammons right then, Thanks!
I tried duck tape on a new bow it didn't end well.
I can't wait to build my first bow.
Would you consider doing a video on the physics of archery?
@@kramerammonsarchery An opportunity to partner up with another youtuber, maybe 😉.
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