4 augment frost silliness ua-cam.com/users/shortsQ12OoeT-3Zc Me and friend of the channel Great Bardini had a ton of fun nerding out about these new changes, so be sure to check them out especially if you like level cap stuff!!! Great Bardini: Twitch.com/GreatBardini youtube.com/@greatbardini
Thermal sunder, thermal transfer has been so much better now. I was using it just to apply more heat damage, But now I can apply heat and blasts which is a lot better for aoe.
FYI all of these elemental effects are bugged now and not changing dot dmg to account for increased element from the ability. So electricity procs are doing like 1/3 the damage they should
As a shock trooper enjoyer on my Volt, this is nice to not screw over my teammates. But it also kinda sucks cuz now I cant mod for cold and use shock trooper to get magnetic. I wish they'd make it togglable in some way, so you can decide to combine or just add on the element
@zenosfire that's true enough, still forces some build changes and makes it so I can't swap between cold and magnetic (tho tbf couldn't before cuz of an almost minute duration on shock trooper lol). In any case, you're right, this shakes up build crafting. An exciting change for sure
This is such a fun change i love it I run a shock-trooper Voruna half because electricity powers are cool and half because of melee influence. Voruna is already such a fun and powerful melee frame due to condition overload + Fangs, so swapping her 4 for Shock Trooper pushes her even further, and this change makes it even more convenient, not just for me but my squadmates as well. Optimal? No, but powerful and fun? Very.
Ye love the seperate element on my frost. I use freeze force to give all my weapons (especially my Ogris with heat night watch napalm and cold to cc normal enemies) cold to freeze and drop energy orbs with primed flow and icy avalanche + precision Intensify for my 4 to full armor strip and overguard buff. And because everything else, my build now has more freedom with 2 free flex mod slots that really helps, like using 2 nira mods (I normally use the exilus slot as my go to for parkour velocity cuz my parkour frost build uses 1 parkour and casting speed Tau shards during gargoyles cry) that gives extra slam damage if I equip the sampotes for easy Hollvania bounty clears, works really well in endless capture, slamming Waves with cold and electric to cc enemies up in the air. Or maybe switching to shock trooper like you said for me to proc cold and electric. My frost has never been more happy to be flexible :3
I love these changes. If you have to use an helminth + an augment to make a good build then it needs to be better than regular Nourish, Xata's Whisper, Roar or Piercing Roar. I love Shock Trooper not just because of cool build interactions like yours, but mostly because you can really slap it on any frame and have a scaling DoT build on any weapon. I was already a fan of Electricity builds on primaries since Jade Shadows, but now you can really go wild with them lol. Electricity is a great damage type and status effect.
Heat, cold and electric all on one weapon that can spread those effects… yeah that’s kind of insane. I wish I knew that this change happened cause I’m gonna play around with this a lot more now
I remember going with volt in a public mission, and was buffing everyone, one guy screamed out in anguish as all his heat damage has now turned into rad….oops
so this change solves 50% of the problem the remaining 50% is the fact that the elemental bonus still takes into account your status chance and since these bonus are usually huge it disrupts status chance for the element that you build, it should be a separate status chance or proc on every hit like the decree ones
Basically they turned every elemental damage increase from habilities into Xata's whisper. Meaning that they do not give you elemental damage into you weapon but make your weapon apply a second hit dealing pure elemental damage
My zaw had 5 status effects on it... most folks only get 2-3. The order of mods lead to the combinations but also having the base elements being available.
I'm curious how shock trooper runs on Saryn, considering you can now get corrosive, toxic, and electric from abilities, then mod for radiation, magnetic, viral, and heat. Roar is probably still better because of toxic lashs synergy, but it's fun to think about and useful for melee influence.
I loved using shock trooper on my volt with a pure heat build so I get radiation for eidolons, that thing shreds them even with a low eclipse buff, now I have to change build 😢
Ahhhh thermal sunder has even more use now. The blast rework made double buffing worth it for sure, but now heat or cold on demand (reads next comment =p)
Valence formation still had some elemental combining, but it'd still guarantee the procs of the chosen element, if you had viral/electricity on a weapon and infused heat, you'd get viral/radiation/heat, but now you get viral/electricity/heat
My Hate weapon works just fine without the Helminth add on. Just use radiated reload with electric 7/7 mod and melee influence. Works great with Gauss.
@@zenosfire Does that theoretically mean you can proc viral and blast without a primer and therefore make a Torid with both blast and viral? (I'm kinda new to the game, so it might be wrong because I may not understand how it works, but my point still stands)
It works, thermal sunder still combines with itself, but if i only use one buff i can freeze enemies alive while burning them alive. Viral Heat Cold is something i run on sentinels with artax, now i can put it on the evensong. Thanks for the vid this is really fun to mess with
now all that's left is that they make stuff like nourish add extra separate hits instead of messing with your weapons' modded elements and ruining your elemental weighs. edit: to be more clear, i mean that it should work like duviri decrees that give your weapons an extra hit with a specific element and status, instead of just slapping that element into your weapon.
@ryoougi9088 not too broken. since it would be a separate hit, it wouldn't have the same status chance as your weapon's main hits. if the extra hit had like, say, 20% status chance, it would still be pretty good, but not broken and wouldn't ruin your weapon's elemental spread.
I mean that's what happens with Xata Whisper, so I could see them balancing it out a bit and turning out fine, probably drop the damage a ton but the trade off is separate hit?
Depends on how lazy people want to be with updating their builds (read: people are very lazy), also oberons helminth has a rad effect just like shock trooper.
Ah, another based Hate Incarnon enjoyer. Been running it with Shock Trooper over Ember's 1. Don't need the extra heat damage and Ember has no trouble setting heat procs for Burning Hate. Plus, though I bet you already knew, but Melee Influence's spread damage also triggers Burning Hate, even if its not applying heat itself!
4 augment frost silliness ua-cam.com/users/shortsQ12OoeT-3Zc
Me and friend of the channel Great Bardini had a ton of fun nerding out about these new changes, so be sure to check them out especially if you like level cap stuff!!!
Great Bardini:
Twitch.com/GreatBardini
youtube.com/@greatbardini
Thermal sunder, thermal transfer has been so much better now. I was using it just to apply more heat damage, But now I can apply heat and blasts which is a lot better for aoe.
FYI all of these elemental effects are bugged now and not changing dot dmg to account for increased element from the ability. So electricity procs are doing like 1/3 the damage they should
As a shock trooper enjoyer on my Volt, this is nice to not screw over my teammates. But it also kinda sucks cuz now I cant mod for cold and use shock trooper to get magnetic. I wish they'd make it togglable in some way, so you can decide to combine or just add on the element
yes but now magnetic is a single mod slot, so ez pz fix right there for you!
@zenosfire that's true enough, still forces some build changes and makes it so I can't swap between cold and magnetic (tho tbf couldn't before cuz of an almost minute duration on shock trooper lol). In any case, you're right, this shakes up build crafting. An exciting change for sure
yeah this change screwed over lavos i thought they would have left him out. should definitely be toggleable lol
@ParagonQuille kinda sucks for eidolon hunts too since it doesnt go into rad dmg anymore lol
@gnorpus at *least* for Lavos absolutely. I don't know how he plays very well, but it does seem not great for him
This is such a fun change i love it
I run a shock-trooper Voruna half because electricity powers are cool and half because of melee influence. Voruna is already such a fun and powerful melee frame due to condition overload + Fangs, so swapping her 4 for Shock Trooper pushes her even further, and this change makes it even more convenient, not just for me but my squadmates as well.
Optimal? No, but powerful and fun? Very.
Infusions are Bugged with DoTs rn, so, Shock Trooper Influence is way weaker than the Math should have it.
Ye love the seperate element on my frost. I use freeze force to give all my weapons (especially my Ogris with heat night watch napalm and cold to cc normal enemies) cold to freeze and drop energy orbs with primed flow and icy avalanche + precision Intensify for my 4 to full armor strip and overguard buff.
And because everything else, my build now has more freedom with 2 free flex mod slots that really helps, like using 2 nira mods (I normally use the exilus slot as my go to for parkour velocity cuz my parkour frost build uses 1 parkour and casting speed Tau shards during gargoyles cry) that gives extra slam damage if I equip the sampotes for easy Hollvania bounty clears, works really well in endless capture, slamming Waves with cold and electric to cc enemies up in the air. Or maybe switching to shock trooper like you said for me to proc cold and electric. My frost has never been more happy to be flexible :3
Meanwhile eidolon hunters take a big hit for not being able to combine Rad on their Zenith to take down water limbs
Smite augment exists though
@@twiggy4817 At least there are base rad mods now, though with less raw elemental dmg
@oryxthetakenking8275 yeah this, just swap your helminth
@@zenosfire smite instead of eclipse is a bad trade off imo. Purple archon shards already adds electric to the zenith without using mods
Eidelon hunters are probably having a mental breakdown right now about their radiation lmao
I love these changes. If you have to use an helminth + an augment to make a good build then it needs to be better than regular Nourish, Xata's Whisper, Roar or Piercing Roar.
I love Shock Trooper not just because of cool build interactions like yours, but mostly because you can really slap it on any frame and have a scaling DoT build on any weapon. I was already a fan of Electricity builds on primaries since Jade Shadows, but now you can really go wild with them lol. Electricity is a great damage type and status effect.
Frost & Tenet Glaxion is one of my fav combo. Adding Volt Shock trooper really makes things interesting
Try Acceltra on frost you get easy red crits from a bug
Can't forget Conjunction Voltage, which is really good for secondaries that need constant reloads
Heat, cold and electric all on one weapon that can spread those effects… yeah that’s kind of insane.
I wish I knew that this change happened cause I’m gonna play around with this a lot more now
I remember going with volt in a public mission, and was buffing everyone, one guy screamed out in anguish as all his heat damage has now turned into rad….oops
Imagine, being able to both freeze enemies sold and set them on fire at the same time. Aaaaah, physics, you are my toys now.
oh you can do WAY more than that, how about all basic 4 elements at once?
@@zenosfire that sounds like a good build video 👀
You mean like this build right here? :P
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@@zenosfire NICE
Running this with thermal transfer is completely euphoric when you do the best aoe elements blast and electric and just nuke the enemy
so this change solves 50% of the problem the remaining 50% is the fact that the elemental bonus still takes into account your status chance and since these bonus are usually huge it disrupts status chance for the element that you build, it should be a separate status chance or proc on every hit like the decree ones
Will you do a full video on your frost build? I’m hella interested.
short, its out tomorrow!
Hearing Bardi's name was honestly such severe whiplash, he's somewhat of a regular in a server I mod for lol
We love the bardini around these parts
Basically they turned every elemental damage increase from habilities into Xata's whisper. Meaning that they do not give you elemental damage into you weapon but make your weapon apply a second hit dealing pure elemental damage
My zaw had 5 status effects on it... most folks only get 2-3. The order of mods lead to the combinations but also having the base elements being available.
I'm curious how shock trooper runs on Saryn, considering you can now get corrosive, toxic, and electric from abilities, then mod for radiation, magnetic, viral, and heat. Roar is probably still better because of toxic lashs synergy, but it's fun to think about and useful for melee influence.
Nerfed eidolons a second time?
Must try this with Sobek augment.
I loved using shock trooper on my volt with a pure heat build so I get radiation for eidolons, that thing shreds them even with a low eclipse buff, now I have to change build 😢
If only frost's ability triggered archon flow when killing with the cold boost... 😔
guess I gotta re-mod my rubico for eidolons, I was relying on shock trooper to turn that one heat mod into radiation damage.
honestly kinda wish volt got a over guard augment like frosts and just as potent as his augment but that’s a really cool change
So you can become the avatar is what I’m hearing lol
I main volt rn and am using a max strength and duration build to focus on shock trooper. Basically turns him into a great weapon frame imo
The great coomdini
Ahhhh thermal sunder has even more use now. The blast rework made double buffing worth it for sure, but now heat or cold on demand (reads next comment =p)
BLAST HEAT OCUCOR BUILD (with cascadia flare) 🗣🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
So it works like valence formation now... interesting.... might try and combine them....
Valence formation still had some elemental combining, but it'd still guarantee the procs of the chosen element, if you had viral/electricity on a weapon and infused heat, you'd get viral/radiation/heat, but now you get viral/electricity/heat
My Hate weapon works just fine without the Helminth add on. Just use radiated reload with electric 7/7 mod and melee influence. Works great with Gauss.
My mesa build has 5 different effects. It's nutty rn.
theres too many things to keep track of in this game im just like nodding along like yea i totally understand lmao
Quick question, does gauss' thermal transfer combine heat and cold from the augment itself? Or is it going to be cold and heat separated?
Heat, Cold, and if you double cast it goes to blast IIRC
@@zenosfire Does that theoretically mean you can proc viral and blast without a primer and therefore make a Torid with both blast and viral? (I'm kinda new to the game, so it might be wrong because I may not understand how it works, but my point still stands)
yes, but i haven't given it a shot myself to give you a 100% answer
They did what??? I gotta get on Warframe right fucking now
It works, thermal sunder still combines with itself, but if i only use one buff i can freeze enemies alive while burning them alive.
Viral Heat Cold is something i run on sentinels with artax, now i can put it on the evensong. Thanks for the vid this is really fun to mess with
Does this mean that gauss with the thermal sunder augment gets both heat and cold damage?
Tbh the elemental damage augments should just be base kit. I would say that about half the augments in general...
gyre with shock trooper is just free red crits
now all that's left is that they make stuff like nourish add extra separate hits instead of messing with your weapons' modded elements and ruining your elemental weighs.
edit: to be more clear, i mean that it should work like duviri decrees that give your weapons an extra hit with a specific element and status, instead of just slapping that element into your weapon.
too broken lol
@ryoougi9088 not too broken. since it would be a separate hit, it wouldn't have the same status chance as your weapon's main hits. if the extra hit had like, say, 20% status chance, it would still be pretty good, but not broken and wouldn't ruin your weapon's elemental spread.
@@hateful_data yeah if the separate hit has its own status chance then it can be balance. the thing is nourish already provide too much buff
I mean that's what happens with Xata Whisper, so I could see them balancing it out a bit and turning out fine, probably drop the damage a ton but the trade off is separate hit?
LAVOOOOSSSS
Whaaat, i go to test this thing with my ember
Try saryn with 1st augment, 3rd ability, and i guess volt helminth over 4th
Question, so is this technically a bad change for a eidolon Volt bc of the electricity not adding on to the radiation dmg on weapons?
Depends on how lazy people want to be with updating their builds (read: people are very lazy), also oberons helminth has a rad effect just like shock trooper.
Would it be worth swaping eclips out for it or shock?
Just think about Saryn. Corrosive, toxin and another elemt on top 😂
YOOOO
Saryn... Toxic, Corrosive, + Shock Trooper :v
Still wish it was a toggle for it
Lol that's a volt eidolon build nerf
Ah, another based Hate Incarnon enjoyer.
Been running it with Shock Trooper over Ember's 1. Don't need the extra heat damage and Ember has no trouble setting heat procs for Burning Hate. Plus, though I bet you already knew, but Melee Influence's spread damage also triggers Burning Hate, even if its not applying heat itself!
Kinda annoying this change only applies yo augments, some Warframes need this change too, like Lavos and Cyte-09
They get this change too
Finaly no l9nger ally give me element and turn all my weapons into crap
This is complete nerf to lavos... fuck melee inf and condition overload...
Wtb gauss mains
Jesus christ
They still have yet to fix the railjacks and the main quest the update broke among other things 🙄