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The Benefits of Drawing Before Painting (Quickest Way to Learn Both)
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2020
- A caller wants to know if it's better to skip drawing and go straight to painting when learning how to paint. Clip taken from Draftsmen Season 1 Episode 23 - • Advice for Artists wit...
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It is interesting to note that van Gogh spent a lot of time on Bargue's drawing course. He said it changed his way of seeing nature. So even in a way of painting apparently far from drawing, we can actually consider it as the foundation.
ah wish this video existed when i had this problem. i started drawing,inking,sketching, Black and white value shadows (no colour) gesture drawing, anatomy study and life drawing (not painting) And after i felt comfortable in saying YES! this is the realism quality ive been looking for! i started to move to painting, and WOW it was hell, i was like SHADOWS HAVE COLOURS ??, THERES WARM COLOUR AND COOL COLOUR ??, WHAT THE HECK IS LOCAL COLOUR ?? HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COLOUR IS WITHOUTH ALL THE SHADOWS AND HIGHLIGHT ? THE REAL COLOUR ??.
But of course i've figured it all out in the end and have been excited to paint ever since. It was like you have to REWIRE your self when it comes to painting IF you started out drawing. it was incredibly frustrating back then. Because it was like....Your lines and drawings is awesome and then suddenly when you finally put your colours in.. WOW it looks like crap, what the hell ????? what i learned is that colours is incredibly important when you want to paint you drawings, you can have an amazing line art beautiful curvy lines with amazing balance between thickness and light strokes but if you colours is off that CAN drive you insane.
So anyone who just started painting after drawing, dont get discourage, step back and take your time to research colours on lighting, and shadows, or even the blood vessel on you skin that makes your skin red or orange in the heat of the sun Or even the amount of highlights on each environment, Where the light source is coming from and how strong is that light source.
You have to climb another miles before you can reach to the summit. don't force your self too much. Get your energy back first then get moving.
Hi, thanks for your comment, pretty interesting ! I'm 17 and I draw regularly. Recently, I realised it was a lot more better to study things I want to draw before actually drawing. So that's how I got into anatomy. I started by learning through Proko 's video, the thoracic cage, the spine and now the pelvis. And it's actually pretty hard to manipulate the body in 3D... So I was wondering since you're "done" studying anatomy, is there a particular order to study anatomy and where did it lead you ? I mean can you now draw a full body from imagination ?
Also do you have any tips for me, a beginner in this adventure of mastering anatomy ?
Also sorry if my english isnt correct :)
@@will233 Just pick an anatomy book and study in that order
This comment really hits different for me since I am about to make my transition from drawing to painting... And I am starting to realise all the work I need to do.. thank God I am not going insane
wow thanks. What you described just now seems like exactly the stage that I am at right now. I feel like I am decent at drawing but when it comes to painting I feel completly lost.
lol i hate my voice, thanks guys!
i like the voice
I find the voice wonderful
Sounds different than in your head eh xd
Thank you for asking this question Ethan! I had same one
I found that learning to paint first was what allowed me to learn to draw. It feels like there are so many extra invisible layers of understanding required when doing drawing when you can replicate life more, "immediately" with painting, and focus more on planes, perspective, etc. I guess it's just where my mind rests. Personally I feel like sculpture is the one thing people sleep on. Making sculptures and then going into painting/drawing would be prime, IMO.
BUT, you >Really< want to do BOTH, that is WITHOUT a doubt.
Leonardo Divinci, Rembrandt, Wyeth all drew before painting! They are all excellent painters. Impressionists like Sargent, Casey Baugh, who can draw but go straight to the paint are excellent too.
All the Masters you mentioned learned to draw 1st! Later in their careers and journey the developed their styles. The Royal in London has an exhibit of Picasso on paper, including his sketch books, in pencil...on paper.
I always draw before I paint, because I believe that you should never neglect drawing. It's quite special for those artists that can paint something without drawing first, however as Marshall said I think drawing is a fundamental for it, and the construction of masses that painting is fits perfectly the delimitations that are made by a drawing. Besides, as long as you don't become a slave to your drawing you can always make something interesting and full of freedom with your painting.
Agreed it's easier start out drawing and then build from there.
Thank you for doing this guys!
You can't imagine how grateful I am for artists like you, who brake down the proccess to other not as experienced artists, instead of just showing the best they got. I think its so important in these "days of instant everything", that we remind ourselves, not everything can be achieved instantly, and that it really takes time.
Keep it up!
Shout out from Czech republic!
Have a nice day, and I wish you a lot of positive energy, that will lead you to success!
Depends: if your trying to get your proportions exact and block in your colors/values quickly and precisely, then for sure draw it first! If you are doing something more abstract or stylized then you probably don't want to draw first?
I miss that ''yeah!'' at intro ending :(
This answers all my questions thankyou lads and thank you lady for asking same question as me!
There are many ways to do develop art skills and I wouldn’t rule out the possibilities for those who are brave and industrious.
Yuuup, good drawing is a foundation for painting. And graphite is my favourite medium. It's just very versatile.
I started painting with limited drawing skills and I found that I could only go so far. I decided to learn drawing and it took me about a year to get good enough to apply it to my painting. I continued to paint but I found that I became more interested in the drawing and almost lost interest in the painting. Now I'm a year and a half into the drawing phase and I'm starting to do both with much more success.
Great Approach, painting still a drawing with a brush ! Drawing is so important.
I love you guys ! Marshall take care of yourselfs! This virus is more dangerous on elder people ,much love for all the wisdom you give us guys
The "just paint" people probably are more concerned with painting something that they're copying in front of them than creating from imagination. So you don't need to know perspective or anything, it's almost a paint-by-numbers thing, dealing with the medium and copying what you see with a "mental grid" or some kind of trick. The "drawing with the right side of the brain" approach to drawing will also kind of suffer from the same problems, as it's basically copying stuff, even if developing an advanced skill at it.
I'm actually a photographer but I agree with you. If I want something realistic I will just make a photo, but even with my photos I try not to be so realistic adding some impressionistic or abstract touches. I'm interested in learning to paint to scape even more from reality.
@@fraufuchs9555 photographer here as well I’m looking into painting and drawing because I had dabbled with it in my past but photography has become my main focus and I’m interested in how painting and drawing can help me creatively with all of that as a visual artist. The reason I want to skip drawing is because I’m looking to painting as more of a abstract and light/value/color expression on canvas vs a very detailed work which I already can do with photography if that makes sense
@@jasonparra9416 same here! I'm trying to learn to paint also with an interest in abstract and impressionistic paintings. Up to now I've being painting only flowers because those are easier subjects. I can definitely draw a flower but I still struggle to paint in a way that doesn't look childish or flat. That's why I don't think I should dedicate much time improving my drawing skills, since I don't see how it's going to make me paint any better. Painting is not just filling in a drawing, it's a different skill.
You guys are trying to be sooo gentle with this topic hahaha. Stan seems a little bit nervous haha
Good shit guys
Kudos from Cornwall England been learning to paint the last six months and listen to your tips
thank you very much :)
hi i could not draw a doodle of a flower and got one lesson in oil painting and painted a vase of flowers and it looks good it is more easily to paint than draw i still try to draw but its just impossible plus i am 52 yrs old is it a problem
Monet & Van Gogh both knew how to draw.
This must be the second or third time I subscribe to the channel, and I don't recall having unsubscribed.
very nice to see you
Due to the corona virus, will the next season of draftsmen be coming out later than expected?
But what's the perfect time to learn color???
After you get good at values
ABHIJIT artsy you can lear color theory using abstract shapes from day 1 if you want. I read some books about that, search for color theory, you will find some for sure
I challenge the usual notions of Van Gogh - he was NOT trying to be expressive; he constantly strove to improve his drawing and rendering skills, and persisted in SPITE of his deficits. Only much later did critics begin to ascribe intention to his unusual style, which viewers generally found crude and unappealing. He did make pigment choices with some analogous emotional correlations, but never veered as far as the Fauvists, in arbitrary color substitutions that were entirely unrelated to the "natural" hues in their subjects.
In regard to Classical schools where rigorous study of anatomy, shading, etc. is demanded before any full painting work is considered, the drawback in learning too much is the artist constructs an ideal framework, then hangs the canvas on it - faces look alike, proportions fit regardless of the actual model's uniqueness; skin tones are learned, and applied, but that requires limited studio setup, controlled lighting, angles, staid positioning, when the Impressionists rebelled, and chose all times of day, weather, etc. so as to work with colors, light, and their interplay. A few like Sargent gained from both camps, but many worked in one emphasis over the other.
probably been said, but there's an Andrew Wyeth attribution instead of van Gogh
Max Meldrum, Australian tonalist, taught painting without sketching up with linear drawing
I wish there is subtitles for deaf people, I am curious what they are saying about art spirit book, etc.
Henri is pronounced "ON-REY" it's French!
Values Values Values, easier to learn by drawing.
Beginners get easily lost in color
Put first things first
Is his name really pronounce “Hen Rye?” I assumed
it was pronounced “on Ree.”
I'm pretty sure your right.
It's the French version of the name Henry, we say ' hen- ree'. In French it's pronounced , ' on- ree'
Van Gogh painting is labeled Wyeth.
To say that Van Gogh was not concerned with drawing is absurd. Draftsmanship was essential to every one of his paintings. The impressionists were all master draftsmen as well.
Stan always filters questions through his atelier demagoguery. She didn’t ask about not learning to draw, she asked about not learning to draw first. Learning both at the same time is a fine approach.
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Drawing statistic..............painting dynamic,one always comes first
Painting is harder than drawing for me
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1st useless comment
Who is the old guy? He is really old.
Marshall Vandruff! Wonderful art teacher, works with Stan on Proko videos all the time! And he's not toooo old. I think he's only early 60s.
Jacey King Dude, dandruff or not, the guy is clearly the oldest guy alive. He manages to stay awake despite being elderly and frail though, I will give him that.
Death Omen You might even say that I am young here, which mr. Dandruff clearly is not. He is so far from young as one can be while still being alive. It is an accomplishment for sure.
@@Stjerneklang528 Okay. Pretty sure I've seen guys who are older. But if you say so.
@@jaceyking5015 I do, he is so old he has got a spot in Guinnes Worlc Records. As it turns out his ancient wrinkles are legendary.
The young guy is so wrong. An artist who doesn't need the crutch of underdrawing first is far more skilled
I know this is late reply, but proko is talking about student that jump straight to painting, not an artist that skip sketch into painting because he mastered fundamental