Bahco Vs. Silky: Battle Of The Bushcraft Saws - Preparedmind101
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Chris, Jessie, and Will attempt to figure out the answer to one of the hottest debates in bushcraft gear: Which is the better saw, the Bahco Laplander or the Silky Pocketboy? Both sides insist their saw is the better. So IS there a clear winner?
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P.S it's about using less energy!!!!! Not witch one is faster!!!!
joseph dube exactly! I don't get why this few seconds would matter in the woods
How fast is witch 2 then? Are their brooms different sizes? 🤷♂️
@@sibeliusjohannes2660 I thought that too, but it really depends on how much energy you have and if you are older you don't want to expend all of your energy on the action of sawing wood...so, the easier and faster, the better. I ordered the Silky so I will find out if I chose badly...then I'll get the other one. I live in a place where I cut wood all the time and having a light, portable handsaw is appealing.
there is no "special technique". it is this way on all eastern style saw blades...not just silky....they cut on the pull....that's it. we need to remember that the silky saws are meant for arborists....not bush craft. the saw blades are made to give the smoothest cut possible so the tree doesn't get too traumatized thus allowing disease to nail it. the bahco is total bush craft. this comparison it's kinda like comparing apples to oranges. they are both excellent for the job they are meant for.
the only thing that is important is that u bring SOME TYPE OF SAW to cross cut the wood. unless u rock the axe and only an axe.
@Mike DeGrasse Tyson Bahco is Swedish, bushcraft is an ancient tradition and part of their culture going way back, there's no dividing line in Sweden between actually having to live like that as people did in the past, and what we now call bushcraft.
Some comments from someone looking to purchase a first bushcraft saw with little knowledge of either, but also experience using Japanese (Eastern) woodworking saws:
- There is a *huge* difference between Eastern and Western saws. Western saws are designed to be used on the *push* stroke. Eastern saws are designed to be used on the *pull* stroke. This is the *technique* that people are referring to.
- Saws that cut on the pull stroke can be made much thinner since they do not need to be stiff. This allows for less material to be removed, resulting in less effort required to make a cut.
- If you try to use an Eastern saw with Western technique it will give terrible performance -- it will cut slowly and bind/buckle.
- It seems very clear that you are trying to use Western technique with both saws.
My suggestion is to read up on the proper usage of Japanese/Eastern woodworking saws, practice that with the Silky, and do this video again. That's a video I'd really like to see.
rockets4kids i
that that is very retarded of them to make a "review" when they dont even know this simple fact.
Not to mention a dull blade against a new saw??? Lol Come on now..
I have a Bacho Laplander, and I'm a woman. I love it. I have never tried the Silky, but if someone had one, I'd give it a whirl. I am perfectly happy with the one I have though. I also like the black blade on the Bacho, the Silky is very shiny. It is great to get a woman to try this stuff out too, because I like to hear their experience as well. I think you nailed this review. Well done!
The bloopers are hilarious, it's amazing you guys get anything done while your out filming. "bye, I love you"... Lmfao
So, I got my Silky 240, I cut some Maple and Hickory with the Gomboy and the Bacho, and the Corona saws. The Silky did the best with the Corona a close second. The Bacho is now retired to my home work bench.
I'm just glad to see a video where the saws are used side by side instead of people laying them on a table or taking them out of a box and saying this one is better than that one.Thanks!
Watching you guys, I was seeing you bind up a lot on the Bahco, which is the reason I prefer the Silky. I can push my hand against the tree, and pull on the Silky without binding. Push cuts are where you get binding and even your video shows that.
I've owned and used the Bahco Laplander and the Silky Gomboy. I like the Bahco. I'm a retired carpenter and have used a saw or two.
My woodworking saws were all Japanese saws, which are all pull saws. mostly because I could never get the technique right with western push saws (kept binding and flexing the blades). I love my Silky Pocket Boy. I bought one complete saw with a fine teeth (for dry wood), and a spare blade with course teeth (for green wood), and switch in whichever in appropriate for the task at hand.
I just ordered a Bahco 396-LAP. Glad I did.
You’re blooper outtakes are hysterical!!!
I'm a die hard SIlky fan: being a climber for a master arborist and then going solo with my own customers. But in this context, sure, get which ever one you like. I wouldn't trade my Ibuki, Katanaboy, Hayauchi pole saw for anything other than other Silkys, but I can see where for bushcrafting, either one would work well (an arborist also considers a saw as a surgical tool so how clean it cuts through the cambium matters). Great test and I enjoyed your video. Thank you.
"Maybe I'm just.... better at this than you..." hahaha love that dude!
I actually ended up picking up a Fiskars one, the blade on it is similar to the Silky. but it looks like I may also pick up the Silky one now after watching this review. So far the fiskars one has been great, but I like the way the silky cuts.
arborist probably like the slky because it is designed to cut on the pull stroke, like all tree pruning saws.
Hey Chris, another Great vid. For the record I have a Bahco and never felt the need for any other. It works great for processing deer also (as in cutting bone)
I liked the caterpillar on your shoulder at about 12:30. Lol. Also great comparison!
haha! The bloopers are too funny! loved it.
Great review btw, looks very honest and unbiased, I appreciate that.
Your videos are getting more and more entertaining all the time.
i have a silky and dont think you need technique just dont hurry and saw like a normal person if you saw too fast it will work against you and could brake
Isnt not hurrying a technique though? 🤔
Let's see a video of Jessie putting her kit together
+Stanley Sprow Funny I want to see a video of Jessie taking her kit off lmao ;p
+Dod Lug lmao
one things for sure, I'd much rather share my survival shelter with Jessi then Chris or Will.
+Mark Deshaies will is a sexy beast though! Haha :D
Another great video. It's great that you get into real use. I hate saw reviews that deal only with speed also. To many variables, as you mentioned , pressure, stroke speed (haha) , but also wood density variation, thickness etc, etc. I have the Bahco, Silky Gomboy, Fiskars and Sven saw, Got to say For weight comfort,I prefer the Bahco. However all cut well so no bad one.
Great vid guys. Really no wrong choice there.
I used a Woodzig for decades (Only cut on the pull) It still cuts like a banshee.
Bought a Silky and used it for about five years now. Works fine.
Just bought a Bahco for a new kit. Looking forward to seeing how it does.
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Thank you for using the saws on the appropriate size branches. Unlike some others who feel a folding saw works on tree trunks.
I personally changed from the Bahco to a Fiskars Xtract. The saw is a little shorter, but its teeth just eats wood compared to the Bahco.
That would be a saw i'd like to see on a follow-up test :)
"The sun is not in line with jupiter" ha ha ha, love it. @5:25
good arguments! (good to have 3 testers simultaneously, it proved your point: the human factor is the decisive one).
Personally if I have to cut something I always use my machete (as all southamericans would), and reserve a folding saw for the precision working. I really like the silky f180, but between these 2 here I go for Bahco.
Considerations as price for the tool and for a replacement blade are also important, as well as to know how long are the blades going to be sharp... but above all the comfort of the handle is for me of the utmost importance (how ergonomic it is, how much force do you have to apply, how does it feel if you have to cut a lot of stuff...) "cutting speed" does not mean much, it is rather important to know with which saw you get less tired and your hands suffer less (blisters, etc)
greetings from wild, wet and windy west Patagonia
good video , I,ve never used a silky pocket but have used a silky zubat , not sure about your one but mine cuts only on the pull , so it doesn't matter how thin or flexible the blade is , they are great for pruning tree branches
just like the silky better because of the tapered blade. less friction.
Great tip on the one hand thing - how did he make it better for a striking rods and debark?
Ouch - just keep you finger away from the saw when you close it if you do the one hand trick. I'm bleeding now 2 places from my finger! Just be aware!!!
I was practicing opening and closing and adjusting the screw...
the thing about pull stroke saws is that they will literally only catch in the wood if you're trying to cut on the push stroke. the pull keeps the blade under tension, which is why the blade can be thinner. And the blade is thinner because it allows the same cut with removing less material, aka a faster cut.
that said the handle does look more comfortable on the bahco. thats a real concern. And i dont know which is easier to sharpen. I know my gyokucho is basically impossible to sharpen. you just have to buy a new blade. if the silky is that way, thats a big disadvantage.
I laughed to tears at the outtakes great stuff you guys
I believe the young lady told the tell. First time user and definitely no bias! I watched people in survival class struggle with that Bahco and wasn't at all with the Silky. It is what it is gang.
Chris I have an aborists silky saw. The blade both push and pull cut teeth, comes with 5 year guarantee and the blade Japanese made. It's superb
"Put it in wood and move it back and forth, wood becomes two pieces." I love Chris' to the point, no nonsense style, plus he cracks me up.
Truth. And after a long day on the trail and having set up camp and are trying to get a fire going before they lose the light, there's a good chance the user will be tired and/or in a hurry and not focusing on their technique, which is an absolute requirement with Japanese-style pull saws. So I'd rather have the more forgiving saw for this kind of application.
i own both. ive had the bacho for a few years and i got the silky last year. the silky rocks! I'll never go back. it took me no time to get the technique either. yes the silky only cuts on the pull stroke but it's so effortless. honestly the trick is to let the saw do the work for both saws. if your bending the blade, you're going to hard.
In response to Will's comment on not knowing of silky broken blades. I have seen videos with broken Silky saws, Joe Robinet broke one and Scrambled O broke one. Hey you all thanks for all of your videos you share with us. - Marco
Chris, the Silky seemed to perform better over all. I have used many different saws over the years, and I prefer the silky over all of them. I use the Silky Gomboy Large teeth. In your comparison, were the size of the teeth comparable? That too, will make a large difference in speed. Since the Silky cuts on the pull stroke only I found it easier to use when Buschcrafting alone and holding the wood, it only has to be truly braced one direction.
great video you guys. some serious stuff some funny stuff, some good info and some good demonstrations. keep em coming chris, jessi and will
I have a Bacho as it is the first saw I have bought. I have used pull saw for years. Using a saw you need to let the saw do the work. Even in a wood shop using a regular wood saw trying to speed through the 2x4 the saw will bend. The reason arborist like pull saws is when you are belted off in a tree you can pull back on the saw easier than trying to push it and move into the tree. Also on the ground reach up and cut a limb, it is easier to pull it than push it. Look at tree pruners in the store they have pull blades as you are reaching up into the tree. Also in a tree you can reach out to a branch and catch it with a pull saw to pull it into you. It also depends on what you are trying to do with the saw. Every video I see they are trying to speed through the cut. When was the last time you saw some one say that this ax cuts faster than that ax. Like you guys said it is what works best for you.
At the risk of offering comments redundant to those already posted:
1. "Technique" is too fancy a word to describe something so trivially easy as using a saw; either saw. Anyone who knows anything about saws realizes that certain saws are to be pulled, ONLY. Others, like metal-cutting hacksaws, are only to be PUSHED (did you know that?). Some are bi-directional, as is the Bahco Laplander. The fact that a pull saw bends when you push it is as surprising to me as a car stopping when you put on the brake. RTFM. Whether you're an arborist or bushcrafter, if you have brain-arm coordination, it should take a few minutes to train your arm do what your brain commands.
2. Based on all I'd read during my beginning bushcraft/preparedness days, I bought a Bahco Laplander. I recognized it as "bi," and it worked well for me the first time. For reasons I will explain, I then bought a Silky. I had a similar "learning curve," which is to say NO curve. It worked for me the first time. Shall I claim to be a genius? For sure I'm not an arborist. I don't consider it a lifetime achievement for figuring out how to use a pull saw. Nor was the Silky my first -- even non-Japanese woodworkers are familiar with them -- they are perfect for cutting off the extra bit of dowel that sticks out when you plug a counterbored screw hole. By the way, in using it, I was instantly able to understand Silky's reputation for being a technically superior saw, and that's with the Bahco's performance fresh in my mind.
3. Why did I experiment with a Silky in the first place? Well, I needed a second saw, to stash in my second automobile. I took that as an opportunity to buy a Silky. I knew both would work, and both would be put to use. And I'd be able to learn for myself which to recommend. As an engineer, I was educated to evaluate technology dispassionately, and that's exactly what I did.
4. As a woodworker of some years, I expect great saws from both Sweden and Japan. That said, the fact that the Silky is technically superior was no surprise. Check out a Swedish Fallkniven and you'll begin to realize why they incorporateJapanese steel into their products.
5. OK, just what are Silky's technical superiorities? Here goes: First, the Silky saw can afford to be (and is) flexible because it is only PULLED. That permits a narrower blade, which permits a lower-friction, easier pull. Ironically, a novice is more likely to bend a Bahco, and that's because it IS pushed every other stroke and the blade is not completely stiff. Second, because of the way ALL Silkys are designed, they leave a much smoother surface on stub left on the tree. That means, should ever you have to harvest a branch from a living tree, you greatly reduce the chances of infection on the cut surface that remains with the tree (that's a big reason arborists prefer them). Third, Silky folding saws typically offer TWO positions for their handles. This permits the user to saw close to the ground without dragging knuckles on the ground.
After buying a Silky whose length was about the length of my Bahco, I became hooked and bought more.Silky's, both folding and non-folding. All of them are amazingly light for their length and some of them are so effective that they're used by contestants in Japanese speed-sawing contests.
By now, it should be clear that this engineer prefers Silkys. That said, if one is pressed for cash, the Bahco is certainly a great entry-level option. It WILL get the job done. The extra exercise a Bshco typically gives it user could be viewed as a plus -- most people who spend most of their time in the "first" world could use a bit more exercise. On the other hand, if we're talking about SURVIVAL, conventional wisdom dictates you should prepare yourself and your kit so as to expend the LEAST amount of calories when the excrement hits the propeller. When my life depends on it, I always pay a bit more. Call it life insurance.
+Raphael Frommer agreed. I find it amazing they keep talking about how the bahco is half of the price of the silky yet they carry expensive knives and sheaths....I say carry what you feel best working with no matter the price.
Raphael Frommer comment too long... my ADD kicked in
but my question is how well does it stay sharp?
Did anyone else notice that when Jessie was sawing with Will's Bahco, she was sawing through a knot?
I don't care which saw either, but I will say that Silky's blades are available on Amazon, and Bahco's aren't. In fact, I have no idea where to get a replacement blade for one.
Get ready for the comments! (Puts opinion helmet on)
I have both and truly flip a coin between the two when I go out. Literally, different strokes for different folks. For me? Bahcos easier, Silky slightly quicker. Maybe. Silky a little better on green wood, bahco a little better in dead? All so slight. Nice seeing them used. I like the folding bow saws a little more than the hand saws.
+PREPAREDMIND101 Love them both... Use a Silky Ultra Accel Curve at work and Bahco Laplander on my spare time...
+CedricAda Gear and Outdoors think I'll buy both myself. Silky "technique" but two out of this vid seem to do well with the Silky without ever hearing of the technique.
+PREPAREDMIND101 I've never used a Silky. So I can't say which is 'better', but I do know which is the most popular among bushcrafters, and that's the Bahco Laplander. How do I know this, besides the fact that everyone I know who uses these things in the outdoors carries a Bahco Laplander? Amazon. Whenever you look at something that's popular among bushcrafters -- bank line, Mora Bushcraft Black, paracord, etc... -- and look at the 'frequently bought with' section, there's usually a Bahco Laplander there. I don't recall ever seeing a Silky saw in one of those lists!
I've also never really understood the whole 'how fast does it cut' argument. I mean, we're not felling the forest here. We're cutting a few poles or getting some firewood. If it takes a few seconds longer with one saw that it does with the other, so what? It doesn't matter. What I want is the one that I know isn't going to break on me and leave me in the woods without a saw! That's what I care about, and I've heard about a lot of broken Silky saws but never a broken Laplander!
EDIT: I just noticed this mistake, "How do I know this, besides the fact that everyone I know who uses these things in the outdoors carries a Silky?" Yep, my brain was thinking 'Bahco Laplander', but somehow my fingers typed 'Silky'. That happens something. I'm trying to type one word, but my fingers revolt and type something else! Damn fingers. Anyway, it's fixed now. ;-)
+PREPAREDMIND101 I'll let you in on the secret Silky technique: use little force on the pull, none on the push. That's why Jessi was more successful with the Silky, she let the saw do the cutting.
silky takes less energy then fighting the forward cut of the bahco
I like forward cut
@@mikefiles2087
Alot of people like forward cutting, but with alot of folks it is also due to their personal muscle development, a pull and push use different muscles
"Put it in wood, push it back and forth, wood becomes two pieces..." I love that!
I've noticed the fire from wood cut with my silky saw gives off an orange flame and I can cook bacon over it. On the other hand, wood cut with my Bacho creates a fire with an orange flame and I can cook bacon on it. The "technique" needed for sillky isn't that complicated. Just go with your preference.
I have a silky big boy and love silky tooth design but, Jessie was cutting thru a limb knot with the bahco while the silky was cutting thru a perfect straight grained area.
I liked that you two raced with each blade. I liked seeing Jesse try. Glad you had her try with the newer Bahco. Look forward to seeing you working and continuing to teach Jesse!
I think the reason that this is such a heated topic is that there are a lot less makers of these saws compared to knife makers. If there were only 3 or 4 knife manufactures then it would be the same heated debate over the subject. Its the old Chevy vs Ford battle. I have both of these. I feel that the Silky chews thru the wood just "slightly" better, however I prefer the Bahco because of the ergonomics of the handle and the blade. The Bahco is the one in my pack. Great job guys and gals. a very fair review and you cannot go wrong with either.
Wow this is a crazy topic to tackle. I love my Bacho it cuts great. After driving over it with my car and its still ripping logs apart. In the end and I have seen MANY of these vids if it cuts and it is comfortable in your hand you bought the right saw. Finally a honest saw video. good job guys.
take care
Mark
Great review yo...
Hands down the best comparison I've seen. Nicely done guys.
+Feral Woodcraft which one's your pick, never mind I'm subbed to you, lol.
It depends really. If it's in a kit for that hypothetical survival situation I'd pick the bahco. For normal use (dirt time, putzing, backpacking, etc) I take the silky. The silky is more efficient in my opinion but one bad stroke and the blade can snap where as the bahco is much more forgiving.
All that said, for a kit built with survival in mind, bahco has it in spades. Just my opinion.
+Feral Woodcraft funny you brought up the blade snapping. I've owned both saws, not this newer silky model but with that said the first week I used the silky it snapped on me so I went out and got me a Bahco and it still works like the first time I used it.
Mine has never snapped but I have read many say theirs has and I know one guy whose did. I have bent mine however. If you're tired and not paying attention (bring in the hypothetical survival situation) I can see it easily happening.
A newer Silky vs. a well used Bahco. Advantage Silky. I actually prefer a Silky but it's because I started with it. In Virginia, Silky saws are carried in the tractor and mower dealerships. A Bahco is almost exclusively an on line purchase. You go with what you know. Nice vid.
A couple notes (not hating)
1) I wonder if the silky large tooth would work better or worse. You could pack different blades too if the bahko has that option
2) The silky is meant to be a little lighter touch, but in a survival situation, sometimes you don't think for that, and a tougher saw is more forgiving of mistakes
3) I wonder if that first bahko, being a bit looser allows for more subtle wiggle in the blade over the newer one. Would possibly make it harder to cut
Funny bloopers at the end, glad you included them.
My guess is for an arborist on a ladder or a hanging on a rope using a pull saw works better. The pull forces them towards the tree. It's better leverage. Also pushing away from a tree, especially, on a ladder could be a problem. The bottom line is to pick a saw and go out and have some fun and learn to use it.
Do you think the cheap price of the Bahco has effected the outcome here ?
Why not do your comparision with the by far most popular Silky, the 2000 Big Boy with XL teeth ? It crushes the competition, including the larger saws like the SVEN, but to keep it real you are then comparing a longer $70 saw to a $30 Bahco. Nevertheless, the Big Boy XL is the one everyone buys.
Also, maybe Jessie was struggeling with the saw a bit since she has a lot less upper body strength than Meyers the human chain saw. Meyers old Bahco certainly worked fine when he was using it. Good video.
I went with the Silky Super Accel when saw shopping time came around. All Japanese woodworking saws that I am aware of cut on the pull stroke, this gives you better control of where the saw is going. American saws cut on the push stroke, so it's the opposite of what we're used to. Does this make a difference? No! I've never heard of any special technique required to use a Japanese saw, just be aware that it cuts on the pull stroke and saw like usual. One thing I like about the Super Accel is that with the super aggressive teeth you don't need to apply nearly as much pressure to the saw for it to cut rapidly. Like the old timers always said, "Let the tool do the work". After all, that's why we have tools in the first place. Great video! Keep up the good and informative work.
I think that it is good that you added the part about the arguments about these saws, personally I like the bacho saw because I think that it is much stronger but it is very close. As proof you can see a video by Nutnfancy that is the Wyoming saw vs the Silky saw and at the end of the video he uses the Gomboy and the tip breaks off, but, like i said it is very close because of the size and weight of both saws.
I am puzzled as to why speed is such an important element in the functionality of the saw. I personally cut at a comfortable pace, and find the Zen. I bought one of the Corona Razor Force saws off of your endorsement and I love it.
+bashfulbrother The speed gives the blade more momentum to bite deeper into the wood and allows you to remove more wood per stroke without binding up.
Michael Saull
Well, now Michael that is an astute, concise, well thought out answer, OVER-RULED! Just kidding. Thanks, you must have taken physics. Thanks again.
Michael Saull
I guess I was asking about the need to go so fast. It's not like a person is going to miss a bus. So it takes a couple extra minutes, meh. The whole object in getting out there is to get away from the rat race and drink in some relaxation and peace.
+bashfulbrother Ah I see what you mean. I think it is just because people rush a cut and then start to get tired or gassed 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through then it becomes a chore and your technique suffers. So people want a saw that cuts easier so they don't get gassed as often.
Michael Saull
Does speed really make all that much difference that it should be a qualifying element in the usefulness of a saw?
My only experience is with the Silky and is primarily for pruning. I have succeeded in breaking off the the tip of the blade at the first saw tooth. Pruning an approximately 2 inch diameter, 5 foot long limb, the angle that I was at caused the blade to get bound up within the cut and broke off. Happy with the performance, but then, nothing is indestructible.
Chris, check out the Silky Big boy, which is what I carry for primitive camping and atv trail clearing - it is big enough to move beyond the pocket saw "eeee eeeee eeee" - mikey
With all due respect. Long time sub. Huge fan. Also I'm a arborist for over 30 yrs. The Silky is not a bushcraft saw. Some sites may advertise it as such . But its not designed with bushcrafting in mind. Hence the flexibility. The flexibility gives us tree climbers to make a proper finish cut , wihich is vital for the tree to heal quickly . Without repositioning ourselves in the tree to achieve the correct angle of said cut. Its also about production. Silky's stay sharp for years .
Good video, liked the outtakes at the end that was funny.
One reason the heavyset guy cut through the wood "faster" using both saws is that he was cutting sections that were smaller in diameter than those PreparedMind was cutting. Might not be the only reason but was definitely a factor. Go back and look at the video where the heavyset guy is testing both saws. Count the strokes to get through the wood with each saw. The Bahco took 37 strokes, the Silky took 20 strokes... even though the second cut (using the Silky) was made through slightly larger diameter wood. And it appeared he was trying to cut on both the push and pull strokes with both saws instead of just the pull when using the Silky and that puts Silky way, way ahead.
Seeing the young lady use both saws on the wood tells the story. Silky... 35 strokes. Bahco... 152 strokes. Silky by a mile.
The "secret technique" to cutting with a Silky is not much of a secret. The Silky cuts on the pull stroke. Apply downward pressure on the pull, lighten up on the push. Why are Japanese saws set up this way? If a saw cuts on the push, the motion is powered by smaller muscles... triceps, frontal deltoid. If a saw cuts on the pull it uses the biceps and the large muscles of the upper back.
In addition, the blade on the Silky is thinner than that on the Bahco. If a saw cuts when pulling, a PULL is never going to bind the blade and bend it, so the blade can be thin. A thicker blade is needed for a saw that cuts on the push, or push AND pull strokes, since the blade can easily bind on the push stroke and flex enough to remain bent. Keep in mind that a thinner blade removes much less wood in any given cut than a thicker blade, so once again saves effort.
Just my opinion, of course, but it's an opinion based on observation.
I agree with you. I own both. And as for which is better? Kinda like picking fly shit out of pepper. As long you can trust it not to break, pick which one you like best for you.
I have neither I purchased a corona from Lowes its great cuts on the pull & its red n black thought about getting a baco too
Well Said , i have a silky and a bahco and i love both. Great job and discussion.
Just bought a couple Silkies to do this very comparison. You beat me to the punch!
I guess this review is nice. I am trying to decide on what saw to buy and this review is helpful.
Although I do not usually see video longer that 12 minutes. This one is just interesting. All talks are related and sensible to the issue. Other reviews are full of long talks that has nothing to do with the subject. kudos!
I totally agree with you Chris, its all about your choice. how heavy is the seven saw?
I got the Corona (large) razor tooth saw with custom kydex, and the Silky Gomboy (stupid names) with large teeth on the way.
Silky and Corona are neck and neck. Bahco is not even in the running.
I have both, I use these tools on a daily basis for work. I prefer the silky it just works better for me, the person I work with uses the Bahco Just down to personal preference I guess
I saw buy them both and have backups! I sure wish replacement blades were less expensive instead of buying a whole new saw.
The out-takes were great.
Thanks Chris!
I haven't used either saw, yet. What I saw as useful, though, was the Silky could be locked with the blade pointing up at an angle. This is useful for limb cutting by cutting the underside of the limb about 1/3 of the way through and about an inch closer to the tree trunk. Then lock the blade in the normal position and cut about an inch further out from the bottom cut and make your top cut from there. Sounds complicated but it isn't. Try it once and you'll understand. Perhaps that is another reason arborists like the Silky?
Great side-by-side comparison, especially agree with personal preference needing to be considered.
One thing you didn't test, and where the Bacho really shines is use for notching tasks that you might do if making a shelter or a pack frame.
The stiff blades ability to make push cuts is really handy in tight spots or on smaller materials in the two inch and under range.
Hands down best video of saw comparisons ever......so many variables to consider....size....person....pressure.......that's how you should review things......I make the IRIDIUM STOVES for backcountry trips......it's got pros and cons to be considered...ITS ALL WHAT YOU LIKE
Thoes outtakes lol....Good review guys and Jessie....that was neat the way Will held that limb with his legs when he was cutting it.
The Bahco cuts green bone damn near as good as a butcher saw. That's why I like it better than any other folding saw.
I think, it comes down to one cutting both ways, the other one, cuts one. I feel that is what makes you like one or the other, sometimes a saw that cuts on the push and pull is a little harder for people not used to saws, I dont own either so I cant say which one is better, but I were to buy one, I think the bahco would be the one to get.
G'day Chris, Jessie & Will, Best outtakes yet! More please!
I'm going to buy a Silky 240, I have the Bacho and have had the same problems that Jackie was having. I haven't used the Bacho in a long time, I'm going to try both. I'm like you Chris about the big knives. I would rather chop than saw. But a saw is safer. And sometimes a better idea.
Found this video because I'm in kinda a discussion with the Dutch Bushcraft Girls. They made a video about the Silky being the best saw for bushcraft and survival and I disagree. Where the Silky does have superior cutting power it comes with a manual. Make a mistake and it breaks. There's many videos showing that.
The Laplander is way more forgiving and will bend before it breaks. So if you're a carpenter get the Silky and when you're doing bushcraft and survival get the Laplander, because you will forget that user manual and make mistakes when hungry, tired, wet, sleepy, etc. Btw. Jessy looks cute.
I'm just going to get one of these and in the UK the Silky one you show is twice the price of the Bacho Laplander so to me this review made my mind up easily! If nothing much in it as regard to the saw itself then it can't be twice as much in price for me to go with it over the Bacho
I like the bloopers at the end man keep that in the other videos
I suspect that most of us can buy either one because we'll never do enough cutting to matter. We like the idea of having some stuff to "bug out" even though we probably won't get to the woods if anything ever happens. For regular hunting and camping where we use something for a few days and then come home, we'll never really see a difference other than personal preference. If we stranded someone in the woods and made contact every week to make him switch saws, seeing which saw broke first would be interesting.
Likely the reason for any bias is you like what you use first or most familiar with. Good review.
They are two different tools for two purposes. Both are excellent. However if you consider pure ergonomics and efficiency of
Mechanics that won’t exhaust you, the silky saw will fatigue your hand much less. I would use them both, but cut on pull is very very efficient. The baca is also less money
I have both a Silky & the Bahco & I have used both to clear small trees on my property four a couple of years now. I have broken 2 Silky blades but have not broken the Bahco blade because the Bahco blade is more rigid. The Silky was also more expensive. The Silky is a great saw and goes through wood like butter you can break the blade if you push hard but not straight which can happen when you get tired. To be fair, the Silky blades that I broke had large teeth which can cut faster but are also easier to get hung up & jam the blade. I also found that if I choke up on the Silky I accidentally hit the lever that changes the blade position while cutting. I beat the heck out of both of them & like them both but if I had to choose just one, I would take the Bahco. I still think the Silky is a great saw. It's just personal preference.
I really do hope you do a review of the Corona 10" Razor Saw. I think it actually does perform better than either of these, and costs about the same as the Bahco.
Hay y'all thanks for the video. IV used the bacho as well as several different silkeys. All are great but my personal 2 favorite saws are the silky pocket boy and the silky big boy. Thanks again guys
Its just like knife blades.. Do you prefer ultra hard and may chip or snap, or do you prefer a softer metal with more give?
I like both. Silky for speed, even though the other is a double cut, but silkys often snap when stuck. Bahco for reliability/ durability.
Silky hardens the whole blade, Bahco tempers the toothed edge but not the rest.
I just got the Laplander and was very disappointed. Could be, it's because I'm a professional builder of wooden boats--and have been using Japanese pull saws for years! It may be that I was using the Laplander incorrectly, and not cutting both ways.
But there is a reason that boatbuilders and cabinet makers use pull saws nowadays.
I don't own any of them, but from watching the video, seems like the Silky one did saw a hair faster by all of you. Another thing you did not take into consideration was regarding how much energy consumed and what type of steel used.
Nice review guys,
I like the Bahco better also. Just about everything you were sawing my F37 will take care of quick and easy, but saws do have their place. Can't wait for the F51 ans F52 to come out!
As a carpenter, you shouldn't be putting much strain on the saw or you will blunt the teeth quicker and are more likely to break a tooth-which is not good especially if you had bugged out and was your only saw. Myself, i use a Barco and have no issue, but any saw is better than one with broken teeth. Men use more push and pull than women, so having the muscle their helps only for speed-as you could see from tiring soon, then trying to put more pressure which makes the teeth bite hard into the wood-bad use of saw-this is how blades are snapped. Good review though, like you said, if you had a machine it would show for sure, and yes technique counts on most tools, even a saw. Thanks for your time to produce the video.