He Failed Up Again
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Roberto Martinez has a unique ability to be a manager nobody is every really happy with that continues to get jobs in the world of football that should be well beyond his reach. He is a manager with the rare ability to just act like he belongs at the top levels of the game while having done very little to earn his place there initially.
I didn’t know all of that when I started researching this video, but my goodness is Roberto Martinez a surprise as the new coach of Portugal considering his amount of experience and success compared to other managers around the world. There must have been more qualified applicants, but noone can match Roberto’s enthusiasm!
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As a wigan fan I've often wondered what people see in him. He was flavour of the month in the early 2010s but was easily over taken quite quickly. People seemed happy to trade "better football" for Premier league stability but 10 years on I wonder if people would. That being said, my heart will always have a special place for him and I wouldn't trade winning the fa cup for anything
I would take back at swansea
He will always be one of our three amigos and the guy that led us to the FA Cup. Don't care what else he's done.
The only tournament RM had with Belgium that was in their ‘golden generation’ was 2018. They finished 3rd, going out to France. Since then the players have all dropped off and aged, poor defenders, hazard not what he was and Lukaku also hitting a stagnant stage. I don’t see where the failure is?
@@AdamC172 Well to be considered a good manager, you would expect him to mask those flaws a lot better. Besides, in 2021 Belgium was definitely considered a contender. He had De Buyne who was the best midfielder in the world, Lukaku who had just won the Serie A as Inter's best player, Mertens who was still in his prime, Witsel, Carrasco, Meunier, Tielemans and Thorgan Hazard who all played at the level just below the absolute top (clubs like Dortmund, Leicester, and Atleti), Courtois who was considered one if not the best goalkeeper in the world and Alderweireld and Vertonghen who were still good (especially Alderweireld). You can definitely blame him for that tournament. Even in Qatar, their quality on paper was definitely not worse than Morocco or Canada, yet they performed like that. In comparison, Japan has almost no big names and showed their quality in every match (except Costa Rica). Martínez has never overachieved in his managerial career and we generally do not hold any manager who cannot do that in high regard. So your point is invalid and I think you need to work on your knowledge.
he stablised all of these squads that had no cash, and then won an fa cup with a team that should have been relegated seasons ago, these stats don't tell the financial problems all these teams had
Agree with all of this. However it can't be understated how massive an achievement it is winning the FA Cup with Wigan and for that reason I think the Everton move at the time was warranted.
Yes, but winning a cup is not a proof of quality. Because, you could win because of an exceptionnal momentum of the team. (I'm French, I saw Nantes and Kombouare won the Cup the last year, and I still dont know how, because I know Nantes and Kombouare since years and I know that if they won it in FM I did just say "Well, not so realistic game..")
@@vincesalamander5980 Wigan got relegated days after the FA Cup win but I'm impressed how well he managed them in the Premier League.
not only that - thats how he became a 'tournament' coach - which is what everyone missess
@@vincesalamander5980 like this guy
As a miserable Swansea City fan… In the early 2000’s, Roberto Martinez brought exciting possession based football to the club - and arguably the first time that style of football was introduced to the English lower leagues (“Success” in lower league EFL back then was measured by how much you could kick the ****** out of your opponent)… so he was radical at the time, in a good way.
Dubbed “Swansealona” and “The Swansea Way” by fans - the philosophy has never really left the club. See Michael Laudrup’s managerial success when Swansea were in the prem - with Michu, Chico, Angel Rangel, Bony etc.
Unfortunately, nowadays “possession” football has been found out… So Swansea is a stagnant, Championship club - losing games constantly, but celebrating its 80% possession stats…
Me to bud me to
we aren't doing bad Russell Martins football would be similar if the club actually gave him some players to continue it
I still remember pundits gushing over Leon Britton's ball retention lmao
@@Ovcas It’s mediocre football, and Martin never learns from his mistakes. There’s no involvement by owners etc. that’s true… but the resources which are at the club are being mismanaged by Martin.
Also it seems local, football journalists and fans of the club are completely ignoring the fact that some pretty promising players at the club just aren’t happy - they refuse to play! Whittaker, Paterson and Obafemi aren’t playing. Whilst we can deffo blame the players, it points to a wider issue with Swansea too.
Tiki taka is dead. Only Pep knows how to implement it properly but even he can’t win the championship league. Spain were an absolute embarrassment at the World Cup so yeah your right, that whole style is no longer viable against top opposition that are well organised
It's like the people in the portuguese federation just like to see us, portuguese people, suffer. How we go from Fernando Santos to Fernandez Santos just blows my mind
I really don't get it, it's so dumb. We went from a manager that lost 1-0 to Morocco to a manager that lost 2-0 to Morocco 💀💀💀
If they wanted to go for an international manager, at least go for someone known for being good, so many available managers at the time. I can't really understand how people in the federation think
What you talking about atleast you don't have Southgate lol. We the English suffer the most.
@@mandyretter8964 True we got a euros with our former manager
@@migran6346 we get a spitting image reject lol
@Tomás Matos sven!
A legend at Wigan for his player and managerial stint. We beat lots of the big teams and of course defied any odds and expectations to win the FA Cup. Our relegation was inevitable.
The Everton job was pretty much lined up for him having rejected Aston Villa amongst others while at Wigan. Lukaku was huge for him at Everton.
Watch him get the Barcelona job one day.
There probably is something to him being great at interviews. I'm an Everton supporter and remember his stint with us well, and he always came off as a very likeable and sympathetic person in front of the cameras and when interacting with the local community. Sacking him was kinda like sacking a friend; you know it had to be done cause he didn't do his job well enough, but sucks it had to happen to such a nice person.
His first season being so good is often being attributed to him inheriting a solid defensive formation from Moyes and then adding some attacking flair to it, and the following regression from that original defense being phased out in favor of his own system. Came off as very inflexible. He always forced his particular system and never reacted or tried to change things in response to the opposition or the latest result.
Greatest of all time in job interviews
i'm an everton fan. he is absolutely horrific. We sacked him because defensively, he is an absolute joke. i have no idea to this day if he even does any defensive coaching. the straw that broke the camels back with us was being 3 nil up against bournemouth with 10 minutes left and losing 4-3.and to be given the Belgium job after that? I was stunned? We aren't world beaters, I freeely admit that, but to be given that job straight after? after how massively flawed he looked for us?!! just, what?
@@mattjames6349 yeah he sucks as a coach i dont get it, how does he do it man
Nah his agent must be the goat
@@GarkKahn we sacked him at Everton . How? Just how from there ?
@@mattjames6349 was three all draw that boyrnemouth game though yer right on him being against defending lol. also the teams fitness levels were terrible
Fellow Belgian here. He did do wonders for the overall organisation of our national football, made it all very professional. Good person too, civil and polite, and he did achieve our best finish ever at the World Cup. However, his refusal to change tactics or experiment with lineups really cost us in the years that followed.
Didn't Belgium reach the semi final in 1986? So 2018 can't be your best finish ever.
Yep. His stubbornness was his worst trait in the Belgian national team. We have some decent talent that he just never fully utilized.
Fellow Belgian here. He should have been a spokesman. He's an incompetent clown as a manager.
this is the perfect example of stats can lie... he's a brilliant manager which is why he has been hired at portugal
With a better manager Belgium could've won atleast 1 world cup imagine if Belgium had a manager like scoloni
As a Portuguese fan I was so disappointed with the federations choice. You said it best when you pointed out we are replacing a bland, boring and uninspiring coach with another. One of our biggest problems has been the feeling that we are throwing a golden generation away, and the next thing I know is we are getting an expert in throwing golden generations away.
Its a shame that Portugal has a treasure like Mou who can create a winning mentality but Portugal Football Federation isn't appointing him
Belgium at the WC was always the obvious "disappointment" to me. It's hard to say why, but it was basically a given to me Morocco would get an "upset" against them as counterintuitive as it sounds
I actually think Morocco generally faced some very fortunate opponents. Obviously they were good teams, but them and Portugal in particular had no game plan and no "bite", just some of the best players in the world and vibes, which is why a team as spirited and defensively cohesive tore them to shreds. France and Argentina, even the Netherlands, Brazil, Croatia and England would rinse them 8/10 times
20/20 Hindsight. Nobody gave Morocco a chance prior to facing any of these teams.
Croatia reached the semis winning 1 game out of 5 with 2 penalty shoot-outs, England beat nobody other than Iran and Senegal... but yes, they would "rinse" Morocco 😒
BROOOOOOOO I'm from Portugal and follow you a couple years already, and then I open a video and there u are with a shirt from my club (and hometown). U made my day! thanks man, keep the good work!
He's worked on ESPN's World Cup coverage and I was always really impressed with him. My guess is that he comes in and nails the interview because he's well spoken and charismatic
If you only look back at his table positions, you can definitely come to this conclusion. But if you were a fan of PL at this time and watched a lot of clubs like Swansea and Wigan, you would understand his greatness. He was the first to establish Swansea as a very interesting possession team, he developed Leon Britton into a PL player (with the help of Rodgers, of course).
The fact that he managed to win the FA cup with Wigan is almost a greater achievement than when Leicester won the PL, check how Wigan was managed at this time, it wasn't like they where going around and buying established players around Europe that people had a good eye on, Wigan were really poor by PL standards, even for that time. His time at Everton was not a failure either.
He took over from Moyes who had run a somewhat primitive tactic (very successful) and then as at Swansea established a more playing football, certainly bigger wins did not happen but it was not a failure, at least not for the neutral spectator. His "failure" in Belgium is simply that expectations were set too high. Yes, a couple of really fine attacking players at a very high level, but it wasn't like Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Italy etc etc didn't have this too.
A bigger failure could instead be said that Erik Hamren did with the Swedish national team, he managed to miss far too many championships and he had Zlatan.
To say that he only fails upwards is very harsh. This man has worked his way up from Leauge One to get this chance, to think he doesn't know what he's doing shows more of the difference between coaching a football team in fm and coaching a team in real life.
With all that said...love you Zealand, you are the best! I just like mr martinez :)
It has parallels to a La Liga situation at Eibar with the end of Jose Mendilibar at Eibar after 6 years of low budget where Eibar went 18th (saved by Elche finance insolvency), 4 years of mid table under Mendilibar, then dead last.
Edit: As in if the roster's too old or plagued by injuries, the lack of budget sinks a Eibar or Wigan into relegation.
Love the vitoria shirt!! Im a vitoria fan, means a lot! much love from Portugal
He's an icon for us at Swansea :D
That's why he got the managerial position at the Swans, and started our football philosophy , the thing that really changed us and help us get to the prem
It's easy to overlook the Swansea changes and positive things he has done. Must be well respected to be given roles he's been given.
I appreciate that you used a Portuguese team jersey. Nice 🤜🤛
I don’t think that’s necessarily correct coz international management is a bit of a sideshow compared to European club management. I do think it’s bizarre that Portugal hired him on his failures as Belgium manager, but national teams have a limited pool of managers to pick from coz most managers manage club teams. Either you have to get a young, up-and-coming manager or an older manager who wants an easier job before he retires. Martinez gets the international gigs coz he can’t land a job in the top leagues in Europe
Still, for an international manager we had better options! Heck, Van Gaal was practically begging for this job, and Gomes ignored him for this!!! WHY???
I can sort of understand his career as a club manager. It's his career as a national team manager that puzzles me more, to this day I still wonder how he got the Belgium job, and what made the Belgium FA offer it to him in the first place.
As a portuguese and knowing Roberto Martinez's career I was stunned with his appointment. With so many great portuguese managers out there and Van Gaal saying he was keen to take the job (if I'm not mistaken I heard he lives in algarve) the choice made was really odd. Maybe we can win the euros again and then crash out of the world cup group stages
Wow didn't know Van Gaal was keen to take Portugal.
Choosing Martinez over Van Gaal is one of the worst decisions ever in human history.
As a German, I can confirm that Japan is nearly unbeatable.
Diversity dosn't win after all
@@zapre2284 🙊
Wasn't it South Korea in 2002 😏
It's important to say that during his tenure at Wigan and Everton, he received barely any backing from the board and always had to work with very limited finances (and ideas, although Martinez coped with that at both clubs). Both teams would've gone backwards even with a different manager anyway.
His tactical ideas will suit the Portuguese players' abilities, and he is skilled enough to rebuild the relationship between the people and the national team.
The appointment, while not ideal, still makes a bit of sense.
Anyone that can fail up has my respect. Thats a rare skill.
As a Belgian, my sincerest condolonces.
If I am not wrong, he was also considered for the Liverpool job at one point. But they got Brendan Rogers instead.
That's very true. I remember well everyone thinking his open free-flowing football would have been a better fit for Liverpool at that time than Rogers.
I think it’s down to the fact international management doesn’t have the same prestige as club football, like what country in the world has a world class manager who club teams want ? I think that’s why Martinez got the job because even though he’s not great he’s better than most international managers, you don’t see the likes of pep or Klopp or any top manager drop into international management until they’re close to retiring
Dude, we had Van Gaal practically begging for this and he was ignored by the portuguese federation. There were better choices, hence why this is even more baffling.
Still my point Van Gaal pretty shitty manager no top club would want him so it’s like 50/50 who to go with really
I can't blame him. He's managing with attribute masking.
I think the organisation and stability he brought to the struggling teams he managed was what made other teams interested in him as a manager, and there are lot's of hidden factors behind all those statistics, these teams were all struggling financially
anyone that was following premier league at the time knew he was a quality manager
It is impressive how he fails upwards 😂
He's falling off to the sky lol
The Ed Wood of football managers
Replacing the manager that let you go as a player is such a power move, highlight of his career 😁
Uh?
“Oh New Zealand video!”
*watches a video of him absolutely going in on my new national team coach*
Every point is so spot on I HATED the signing when it was first unveiled
He was one of the favourites for the Liverpool job that ultimately went to Brendan Rodgers, at that time he was known for playing really exciting football
So glad to see the Vitória SC shirt ! :D
also weird to hear one of my local clubs (chester city) get a mention, sadly that version of the club sent under, got resurrected as a pheonix club a few years later - dont think martinez is to blame for that though
I think that his possesion style similar to the Spanish national team is the key to his success. Everyone in that era wants a manager who plays like barça or similar.
Good lord, Z.
It's the second time I see you with a PT club shirt and you straight to the two clubs that I really, REALLY want to see as far away from me as possible. Back when I was a student in Coimbra and Académica was in the premier league, Guimarães fans would just throw firecrackers at passersby university students for fun. And, considering all the stories I've heard, I guess we were lucky it wasn't much worse.
Oh. And every single place I've visited in the north of Portugal was extremely friendly and helpful to me. Porto, Braga, Vila Real, Chaves, Viseu, you name it. Amazing people.
EXCEPT GUIMARÃES. The moment (many) Guimarães residents detect a southern Portuguese accent, you'll immediately be treated like scum.
Watching Zealand videos is like having a nice hot chocolate with marshmallows. Always enjoyable.
In that press conference, the Portuguese FA president also said, and I'm paraphrasing a bit that Martinez would be a good manager that would allow us to strengthen our ties with Spain, which, in turn, would put us in a much better position to be the 2030(?) World Cup hosts. Truly, the Robert California of football.
So much revisionism in this to suit your narrative... As Swansea manager he got them promoted with the highest ever points tally by a welsh club in the football league when they won the League 1 title, he then had 2 very good seasons in the championship and Martinez has always been rightfully credited for creating the platform at Swansea that eventually lead to Brendan Rodgers getting them promoted to the Premier League... At Wigan you can go back and see that the investment in that team got gradually less and less year upon year, the year they got relegated the 3 teams above them all spent approx. 3 x the amount they did. The spent a total of 10 million euros, that was peanuts even back then for the prem..... keeping that club up was about as good an achievement as anyone could hope for, let alone winning an FA Cup? Incredible achievement. The Everton spell ended badly despite a good start, but then find a manager that hasn't had a bad spell on their record? That in isolation doesn't merit the criticism alone, and seriously look at what Everton have done since he left, grand total of nothing.....
And the reaction to his spell at Belgium has been seriously over the top, getting to the semi finals and being beaten by the eventual winners France is perfectly acceptable, and the squad is aging so badly with very few youngsters coming through at the same level as the previous players nobody should have expected them to achieve anything...
Do I think he's the worlds greatest manager? not by a stretch but he's also not this joke figure that he's made out to be either...
You forgot my favorite moment: Belgium leading France 2-0 in the Nations League semifinal. At halftime the pundits on TV and even the official Belgian FA Twitter account were spamming how great they were and how they were gonna go all the way, only for the French to realize you just need to press their elderly defense and score 3 goals in the second half. 2-3. The team never recovered from that.
I think there's a big underestimation of how good the football Wigan played under him was. They were perennially underfunded, but played some wonderful passing football for a team at the bottom end of the Prem when the bottom end of the Prem was Owen Coyle's Bolton and Mark Hughes' QPR, not exactly slick units. They had a habit of turning up and wrecking big teams (3-2 away at Arsenal, 1-0 against City in the cup final spring to mind), and pulled off a few great escapes. He made Jordi Gomez, Arouna Kone, James McArthur and Emerson Boyce into respectable Prem-level players. I don't think any team has given him as long a leash as Wigan did, which is why we got some beautiful madness for a few years.
The thing with the Wigan Premier League runs they were consistently last place with like 10games to go and would claw their way out with exceptional runs, the year the won the FA cup their league form didn't pick up
As a Belgian, i can confirm Roberto Martinez is the reason Belgium's golden generation never reached greatness. He never uses young players and relies on favourites because of which he fails by playing bad players over and over again. He's the reason we didn't win a euros or world cup and he will never be forgiven here. I hope he doesn't last long for Portugal because they look like a good young squad.
In a few hours, i'm heading to the stadium to watch Vitoria vs FC Porto. Amazing to see your shirt today! :D
as a belgian, roberto did decent first 3 years but after the euros where his tactic was outsmarted by the italians he never tried to change anything. where were dominated by ireland in a friendly (who also did a good pressing game against us) where outsmarted by a not so great netherlands. Where 2 times weak against wales and one time good and one time bad against poland.
Even before the wc, everywhere in belgium they were sure we wouldn't be good at the world cup because he kept using the same tactic and same players who weren't at the right form.
extra he thougt some players where so good that he called them up after only playing a few games (one player only after 8 games for anderlecht)
As a Belgian fan, 2018 was incredible and I doubt I will ever feel like that again (I was 2 only in 1986), but the game against France showed that he is missing that killer instinct to go for it and seize the day. I wanted Wilmots replaced and wanted Martinez to take over, he did a lot of good things off of the field that outsiders don't see.
Unfortunately in the last couple of years he also showed that he couldnt integrate younger players into the team, use subs effectively, change the system or deviate from the players he had used for the last 6 years (Januzaj did more in a Belgium shirt than Carassco/Thorgan), if Covid wouldnt have happened, he would have left for a club team after 2020 (as this is something he has really wanted to return to for a while now) and Belgium would (hopefully) have got the next manager right and use 2022 as a "free run" as the old guard and new generation combine and begin the rebirth.
His failings are very similar to England/Southgate, they have stumbled across a good base system, but cannot see when to adapt, when to make a substitution or when his "regulars" need to be rotated out.
Your last paragraph also sums up our last NT manager Fernando Santos...
You’re wrong.
Canada actually is pretty good currently. They came in first in Concacaf qualifiers (over Mexico and USA). Sure, Concacaf ain’t great, but Canada also has a world-class left back (Alphonso Davies) and a near-elite striker (Jonathan David). The rest of their team is immature to middling, but Canada’s coach, John Herdman, consistently out-coached everyone in Concacaf, winning the division with a slightly less-talented team. He’s surprisingly tactical and strategic for a somewhat unproven coach. Besides, Belgium did beat them.
Morocco went to the semifinals, so not really sure what you’re criticizing, there. They’ve got a lot of talent, just overlooked by a lot of Westerners.
They did draw Croatia, which scored third place in the World Cup (over Morocco, two other teams in their group were top-4).
Also, there was incredible in-fighting in the locker room, which, if you look into it, has very little to do with Martinez.
He’s an elite international coach, and I think most teams would trade the farm for him.
Wigan fan here, you've massively oversimplified how Wigan recruited on a shoestring budget and were relegated due to a team-wrecking amount of injuries (in the FA Cup final we were playing midfielders in both LB and RB)
can you do a video on what to do in your second summer in the job skyways kinda overwhelmed with contacts youth intakes how many from the intake to sign managing new budgets identifying positions needed etc
He's the perfect FM manager. Getting a high level job with no previous management experience.
So he left Swansea and set his options to Continental C?
Zealand, I can see where you're coming from. But you have to consider the state the Belgium national team was in before Martinez. His tactics were criticized a lot of the time, but he did help us reach a certain strong position in not only the FIFA rankings, but also a position in world football as a whole. Belgium as a footballing country, as well as its leagues are now looked more favourably upon by other footballing nations, and that wasn't very much the case before. Although we didn't win a trophy, he did take us to certain new heights. Especially for a country with like 11 million inhabitants. I'm not saying he's going to succeed at Portugal, necessarily, but I wouldn't deprive him of having any chance at all. To be fair.
I'm sorry Z, Wigan was my first mega save on FM. And they gave me and my friends free tickets for going to the uni at Chester. I will accept no slander (outside of this last world cup). The power of my extremely subjective bias calls you wrong.
He’s a good knockout tournament manager that’s why. Won FA cup with Wigan, 3rd place with Belgium at World Cup beating brazil on the way. Then players got old and not even pep would win with 2022 Belgium.
Great video but you missed one important point..in RM first few years as Belgium managed he has the former World class Shaun Maloney as his assistant manager. When he left it fell apart
As a Belgian I believe we would have won the wc in 2018 if we had a top tier manager
He was great af Swansea (i loved him)
I know he got Wigan relegated in the end but an FA cup for them is massive
Last Everton manager to finish above liverpool and the state Everton are in now I think they'd have him back
I know Belgium were rubbish ay this world cup but at the last euros and 2018 world cup he only lost to the eventual winners
Is he really that bad as people make out?
He became Belgiums headcoach replacing one of our ultimate failing upwards guys, Marc Wilmots, whose carreer makes Martinez look like SAF.
I appreciate the real life videos relating to Soccer you make for us
He's just that good at playing Journeyman in FM.
FA Cup win is a moment the streets will never forget. He was the King of The Great Escape while at Wigan.
Southgate getting the England job is in a similar vein.
Martinez's best win, apart from the FA cup final, is Wigan's 3-2 win over Arsenal and I won't let anyone change my mind. There were times when our fans were exasperated with Martinez and his tactics, often wanting him sacked (Whelan absolutely loved the bones of him and wouldn't ever sack him), but we always got to a moment in late-season where we became this unstoppable machine and we survive relegation looking like a force to be reckoned with... only to start the next season looking absolutely clueless again. I still say the main two reasons we were relegated was because he focused heavily on the FA cup, and we constantly had injuries in defence, particularly with Alcaraz and Ramis.
Everton have never been the same since he was appointed. Destroyed a top 6 settled squad in three years. He seems to interview well and obviously has a very good agent.
As a portuguese, I must tell you most of us got completely shocked by the news that Roberto Martinez was invited to be Portugal's national team coach... From streets to the TV & Newspapper comemtators, I haven't found a single person that supports the Portuguese FA decision. You should have recorded your video a few weeks earlier! 🤣🤣
I disagree with the video with respect to the idea that he "fails upwards". I think especially his success with the Belgian squad was immense. You can call it a "golden generation", I call it some world-class sprinkled into a bunch of solid players. To lose twice against the soon-to-be competition winners is a major success for such a small nation. The last WC was a bit of a shame, but seriously, many leading players (Hazard, Lukaku...) didn't have good years, so the whole squad was full of frustrated, declining players.
Second point: the available coaches for Portugal were very limited. You cannot say "X is a bad coach for Portugal" while not providing a better option Y. Santos left Portugal two years too late. Maybe there would've been a better coach on the market back then, but it is what it is. And I think going with Martinez is not the worst decision you could make at this point in time in the current circumstances.
Please do more videos like this on real football, you did a great job.
Everton fan here - looks like the world is waking up to what we knew about him fairly quickly.
He talks a good talk but has little ability as a manager to back it up.
The first season success with us was due to a combination of things he never implemented and freak accidents.
We'd had 11 years of David Moyes before him, so we had a really well drilled defensive unit in Jagielka, Distin, Baines and Coleman all hitting their prime and a load of exciting youth to compliment, Deulofeu on loan, Ross Barkley back when he was half decent and John stones. We ended up getting Lukaku as a panic loan after Martinez 1st choice buy Arouna Kone was injured.
Once onto the second season and the Moyes influence had faded, we started shipping goals, all our creativity came from the fullbacks, so teams learned to press us wide and we had no plan b. It even came out afterwards that we never trained set piece defending as Martinez didn't think it was worth the time.
Absolute fraud of a manager, bemused as to how he keeps getting these jobs 😂
Imagine how “I” felt as a dual Belgian citizen and lifelong supporter of Everton…when HE was announced as Belgium manager I KNEW he will fail…at least we did one better (bronze medal) than our former best (Mexico 1986 = 4th)
The thing you are missing is international management is not where you get good managers, they don't want to be there, look at some of them. The current England boss is an ex-Middlesbrough manager with very little to his name in success, Scaloni yeh just a won a world cup (with a fair whack of luck) but had never managed outside Argentina U20s. Top football coaches tend not to do international management unless its the end of their careers or they are struggling to get jobs elsewhere. It's a job with huge gaps, where you don't get much training time to improve or develop players, if you have a gap of quality in your squad there is nothing you can do about it and your biggest chances for winning trophies only happens every two years. Most of the best managers in world football are project managers they develop teams over time with precise training, developing players and getting their transfers right and they compete in the biggest competitions (i.e champions league, premier league, la liga, bundesliga etc.) with a chance to win trophies every year and games thick and fast. A national team's fate can come down to just one game in a cup competition where they can get unlucky (i.e England against France in most recent world cup) or as your example Belguim outplaying Croatia, Lukaku missing a hatful and they go out. It just doesn't appeal to top managers.
It's a known fact that the best National team coaches are terrible at club football. Only a handful of managers achieve success in both. Do they think Amorim, Mourinnho e.t.c will leave club management for the national team. Club management pays more than national teams
As a major fan of Portugal 🇵🇹, this breaks my heart. The poobahs of the FPF need to be investigated for criminal incompetence and treason.
I agree with most of this barring the Wigan tenure which was a bit harsh. They’re Wigan Athletic. They’re not a big name. They were the equivalent of a Burnley when they were up in the premier league so staying in the league was their objective for the vast majority of the time.
I can’t lie this is a bit of a harsh take on martinez. From all the research you’ve done, he does seem quite an average manager, but I thought he done well with Belgium and their golden generation. Knocking out a Brazil team at a World Cup and losing to the eventual winners of both euro 2016 and WC 2018. It was easy to see how the 2022 World Cup was going to go, an aging team at the end of their cycle. However, him getting the Portuguese job is a terrible appointment by the Portuguese FA. They should have looked for a young progressive manager to work with their oncoming golden generation, and instead they’ve went for an underwhelmingly safe option. Disappointing for all the Portuguese out their
He didn't overachieve with Belgium. 3rd place in WC with a golden generation but didn't rebuild or renew the belgian squad when that golden generation was ageing, which costed him in last euros and the 2022 WC.
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As a Belgian: in the beginning he did great. Our organization was crap and he fixed it. But afterwards he had like THE best national team and he managed that we didn't win anything. OK, bronze medal isn't bad for a 11M country. But with a prime Hazard, Courtois, De Bruyne, Lukaku, Alderweireld, Vertonghen and still a good Kompany and Vermaelen + a ton of nice players like Thorgan Hazard, Mertens,... he should had win something.
BTW: why we hired a fired coach? It's because that's what we are. We don't think that we ever could attract a fine coach
Portuguese Football Federation are clueless. Period. They wanted Mourinho, Mourinho didn’t want to come so they desperately went after the first free guy the found. “The Belgium manager is free! Belgium is a strong team! Let’s hire the guy!”😢
As a BELGIAN....I dispite this guyfrom the buttom of my heart
how was radja nainggolan not a part of the 2018 belgium side is still a mystery to me
as a french let me tell you that in the semi-final, knowing this guy couldn't come off the bench and strike a bomb at lloris to put belgium back in was a relief
What I think you failed to mention, that all the Belgium players were over the hill by the time World Cup 2022. The combined age of he back three was over 100. Hazard shouldn’t have been picked. Lukaku shouldn’t have been picked.
Out of that squad Kevin De Bruyne was the only one who is still in his prime.
His mistake was not blending in younger players after Euro 2020. He did get to a World Cup semi in 2018.
Belgium played some great football and was top of the FIFA rankings.
Wigan was always one of those teams were going to get relegated as they aren’t stacked with money. Their best players are sold and hard to get the same quality back.
Everton weren’t the best teams and were struggling with money before Moshiri took over.
So Eddie Howe was related with Bournemouth, but Newcastle are now 3rd does that mean failing up?
I think you’re looking at the stats too much.
But the point is he isn't good enough to take Portugal.
@@yoavparkinson9296 says who?
@@pancho501 his previous results
He was good at Swansea and wigan also had Belgium as number one in the world for multiple years. Losing to the winners Italy in the euros and the winners France in the 2018 world cup wasn't a disgrace. This last world cup Hazard was nowhere near his 2018 WC level, Lukaku was injured for the first 2,5 games. Yes he did miss some sitters but that one half he played was the only 45 minutes Belgium played well, and Kdb (who was absolutely woeful for Belgium) together with Courtois were the only real world-class players at his disposal this last world cup. Maybe he should've been more flexible with his tactics and not clinged on to the older players who did good in the past, but people forget that Belgium doesn't have the luxury of other favourites when it comes to player selection.
I remember when he and his assistant at everton said they dont practice set pieces and corners because only 30% of goals come from them. So....yeah.
Really??
Like 30% isn't a significant percentage. I mean world class managers pay attention to the smallest details...
“Chester city wherever they are” only the nicest city in the whole country! 🤣 well worth a visit to the deva stadium
Outrageous take. I really think he was great as Belgium coach.
Also just on another note that was glossed over, he was one of the 19 players made redundent - ie had his contract cancelled, when Motherwell went into administration in 2001 . . . so the butterfly effect would have been that if Motherwell hadn't went into administration, he wouldn't have ended up at Walsall, and more than likely wouldn't have ended up at Swansea . . .
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Hey Z, Scaloni had no previous coaching experience before managing Argentina. Pundits roasted him, but the players respected him from day one and he has now clearly proven everyone wrong. What I'm trying to say is, I guess, that experience can be overrated. Having said that, given Martinez's career as a manager he has clearly been failing up.
And a certain Jose landed the Benfica then Porto jobs with no experience (if we're counting pure management jobs)...and won the champions League. You either have it and know what you're doing naturally, or you don't...though on RM's case...I do think there's a huge slice of good fortune looking down on him also lol.
@@maviarab you could also learn and grow, adapt to different situations, etc. It's a blend of natural ability and wanting to get better and working towards that, like any other job or activity really.
Martinez is certainly overachieving with his international jobs.
However, if you only look at the stats in isolation, you end up with a very strong view like this Zealand. That Wigan team had NO money. The fact he kept them up for so long was a miracle. But to then win the FA cup also? Brilliant.
Everton was a disaster but Everton is a disaster of a club - they are currently 19th…
That record prior to Everton is sublime. Won league 1 with Swansea and then registers an 8th in the championship? Goes to Wigan and keeps a club, who has no right being in the prem, up for a couple of seasons before they ended up back where they should be with a FA Cup trophy to boot. Wigan are currently sat at the bottom of the Championship…
Also your dismay at him being offered a job without any experience? Lampard first job at Derby - same as with Rooney. Gerrard? He got a job at Rangers. Albeit he did spend a year with a youth team at Liverpool if that counts for much.
After what I've seen with Scolari (great coach with a golden generation) not getting that Euro 2004 because some out-of-nowhere Greece, Queiroz and P. Bento (the golden generation was ending and Portugal started to rely too much on a prime Cristiano) and finally F. Santos (average coach with banger players but relied too much in an end-of-career Cristiano) and Martinez, I am starting to think Destiny is making sure we will never get anymore international trophies... I mean, a WC is DEFINITELY out of reach in the next, like, 30 years or more if things keep going like this.
My argument with the video would be more if international management is really a top level of the game. The world cup was won by the ex-Assistant Coach at Sevilla.
Rumors in Belgium were that he was appointed at first for financial reasons. He was cheaper than other candidates.
I dunno, you should look in to the head of royal mail, simon thompson. His upward fails make Robby's look pretty tame. 🤣
That 1st season at Everton was one of the most etertaining in a long time. He took a defensively well drilled Everton team , and added the attacking flair missing under Moyes. They narrowly avoided Champions League football with a 3 or 4 games left in the season. We had a 3-3 draw at Goodison, and that should have been a warning of the 5-0 hammering we were to get an Anfield later that season..... So , you expect to build . However, the next season , it was like the concept of defending no longer existed in a side that was consitently one of the hardest to break down over a decade. We would ship goals , defenders like John Stones were being encouraged to do Cruyf turns in their own box (often to distaerous consequences) and the side suddenly looked the most fragile team in the league. Unfortunately , Koeman came along and things have only gotten worse since after another 5 or 6 managers. As ever ....in Bobby's own word ' Phemononal ' ! :/
Take it like this, Martinez won more Trophies in the past 15 years than Spurs; a club at an elite level, with elite players. Also Id like to point out that blaming him for Belgium terrible WC run is also unfair. Those players looked like slugs out there. Lukaku couldnt even shoot on target. Not to mention all those players for less than a weeks rest before going to the WC.
Besides that, do I think he deserves the Portugal job? No. But thats also not his fault.
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I believe he was lauded for his attacking style of play, which whilst not getting results with 'smaller' teams, continues to trick people into thinking that his tactics may be successful with better players.
As a Belgian, thank you. In our terrible loss against The Netherlands (Nations league, lost 1-4...), minute 26, Lukaku is injured and is substituted by... Trossard, a winger... Like, dude, wtf, we played 20 minutes without any damn striker!!
He's just Spain's answer to Mark Hughes - someone that continues to get high profile jobs, despite having no actual talent to be given those jobs in the first place.
The best managers are no longer in International management. They’re in club football.
Martinez is a prime example. He’ll never manage a Liverpool, or a Bayern Munich, or a PSG.
Forget them, he’ll never manage Sparta Prague with his record.
Him or Gary Megson for England national team manager after Portugal? You *HAVE* to pick one... 😆
Great shirt by the way.
He must be the GOD of job interviews.
Gotta give him credit for world cup 18, but the euros we were so bad and got lucky with some individual performances, but I am sure that we would have done way better with another manager
You're right Zealand but that Everton bitterness might be creeping through 😅