@@je5406 Why was this sobering? There was evidence of this all throughout the last two years. It was always excused with "but with till playoff Jamal nonsense".
11:00 yes Jamal needs an extra ballhandler, because he's not a point guard, he's a shooting guard. The organisational insistence to the contrary is one of the most mystifying and annoying things about the Nuggets.
I said this many times that’s why he’s not good with the 2nd unit because he’s not a point guard he doesn’t know how 2 get them involved & b a true floor general & it’s just a isso show
Disagree. Murray averages 6 assists with a 3:1 A/To ratio. This season he had more assists per 36 this season than Steph Curry, SGA, Brunson, Lillard and a bunch of other NBA point guards, and with low turnovers. Oh, and he’s won an NBA championship playing all of the PG minutes. The argument he’s not a “real PG” was a reasonable argument in 2017; it’s not now.
@@scooterk5 do u actually watch the games he’s not a true PG n playmakers a lot off his assist come from just throwing the ball 2 jokic inside the paint & jokic finishing he doesn’t know he 2 actually create & playmake it’s easy 2 get assist when u have a player like Jokic or embid or giannis or u really need to do is throw them the ball inside & they Finnish & the nba counts that as a assist 🤦🏾♂️ but have a look when Murray is out with the bench unit he can’t run the offence he doesn’t know what 2 do he just overdribbles then chucks uk a bad shot he not a true PG
Someone needs to point out to Malone that the starters were gassed and had to push after yhe all star break because Jamal Murray did not carry his weight during the regular season or the playoffs frankly
Booth has zero vision he thinks if he develops playera for the future that will be best for the team, there is no future without Jokic what you have in him now is your future and most valuable player in history,you give what you need to be good now
This is an interesting point. How much money do you think the Nuggets organization lost by not making the conference finals and the NBA finals this year? That’s probably 3 home games each series, plus broadcast revenue. I would guess probably fifty million dollars total, if not more. So they could have spent another $20-30 million to improve the bench and maybe you pay some luxury tax, but it actually would’ve MADE them money.
Interesting logic from Nuggets, working mid-long term while they have a generational talent NOW for another 3-4 years. Dallas has Luka and they've done everything to support him, Kyrie, Brunson, Porzingis. Let's not go to what Boston has done to support their star. Nuggets didn't make any effort to bring one single AllStar caliber player to support a three times MVP. I really hope Jokic leaves soon to a franchise that will appreciate him.
My guy Pozingis was a hurried bad decision from the Mavs, they gutted their team, depleted their assets, for a guy that was injured and could never stay long on the floor when in Dallas. They still owe picks to New York. And in hindsight the fit was so bad, KP wasn't a "real" big, and he came as an All Star to a team with a rookie Luka, expecting to be n1. We see now he's much better as a 3rd option. Brunson only got good once he got minutes because KP was traded. Last year Luka n2 option was Christian Wood, and people wonder why his usage rate and minutes were so high. The Mavs only started to get serious about team construction after they traded for Kyrie, last february.
Nuggets have a 5-7 years window to win championships at best. It all depends on Jokic. If he is healthy and has the energy to play his best, the Nuggets have a chance to win. But, that window might be 3-5 years if he is not. They have already wasted Jokic's 2 prime years, but that was because of the injuries of Jamal and MPJ. This year was wasted because of Calvin Booth with his delusion of being the GM with the greatest eye for talent that anybody has ever seen. With late first and early second-round players, he is building not just a great bench, but also future starters. To me, that is just delusional. Even a talented player needs 3-5 years to be able to play at a high level. Only super-talented players can be good from the year 1 or 2. The problem is that 80% of the draft will take longer or never, and 80% of them at least are picked in the first 15th draft places (I pulled the numbers out of my ass, but I don't think that it is too far from the truth). There is also a third type of rookie. High floor with, a short ceiling, and I think Christian Braun is that type of player. Good from the jump, but he won't get much better. I like how Christian is playing, but I don't see him on a championship starting 5, while I think he can be a good 6th player off the bench. If we believe that this is true more or less, let us also believe that all of the players that Booth picks are sure-fire hits. That means, that once these players are ready to play, they will be eligible for extension, and therefore are not going to be on rookie contracts anymore, so you would have to trade them for new picks, because they will be too expensive to keep them, and the Nuggets will have to go into the second apron. So even if the Nuggets have a 5-7 years championship window, they will most likely waste 3-4 of those years with this stupid strategy. As long as Jokic is one of the 3 best players in the world, you can win, but even then you have to optimize the team around him. I agree that Malone should mix the bench unit with 2 starters instead of 1. Also, Murry and MPJ have to be better than this year, but the big reason for them not being as good as last year is that they are missing Bruce and Jeff off the bench. They need to replace them with other good veterans, and not Pickett and Tyson. You had some young players last year, but you had more veterans that fit the team, and know how to play in the playoffs. I want to see how Booth does with trades and free agency. He made no good trades and had luck with Bruce so far. If Booth continues with this plan, all I can say is that Jokic should be traded sooner then later.
@@je5406I used to think Jok might’ve gone in 3 yrs or so, but then yesterday the new advertising agreement came out. Players will soon be earning 90-100 mil a season! Joke will easily get that when he’s up for a new contract. I don’t see anybody turning down that kind of bread. Plus he plays below the rim, so his body should last longer than the Greeks & Embiids of the world.
Jokic will always be healthy and can play for long. I do agree booth is shit for gambling on the 2nd RD pick to support these team to run it back. Its a waste. Reggie doesnt fit with jokic as well. The best guard that fits jokic are one that strong finisher at the rim, good cutters and catch and shoot. I hope they could get some better support. Reggie and zeke needs to go including Tyson and pickett.
Is really the strategy of front office to wait out for very low 1st round picks and 2nd round picks become playoff performers? This is years away and past Jokic's window. This is absolute nonsense. Booth is a doofus. Also, why isn't Malone watching the remaining games? Isn't a part of his job to know the opponents?
I think the point about construction of the team was based on other cap rules is huge because it forced us to do what we did. Simply put MPJs contract is killing the team.. you can't have a 16 point a game dude making 33 million. At this point you have to get rid of that albatross and free up money. I would do the following, trade MPJ to the Magic, he would fit perfectly. Ask for our 2025 #1 draft pick back and the Magics #1 in 2025, with a caveat. We need ours so we can trade the 2024 #1 because of the Stapien rule. Then do something like our 2024 #1 and the Magic #1 2025 and 1 second rounder and Zeke Nnaji to the Pelicans for Herb Jones, a top 3 3 and D wing. Then next year trade on draft day our 2025 draft pick back to the Magic so they basically get MPJ for 1 #1. Then you free up 33 million to resign KCP and extend Gordon, and you have a stopper in Jones is 3 years at $11 million. Then you have the money to get other free agents because you are way below the 2nd apron.
I agree that both KCP and Gordon should be kept, as they are perfectly fit to jokic. And trading MPJ. But i dont agree on getting Herbs. Not because he isnt good or they're not willing to trade him. But because its the reason why they have watson off the bench. The only problem with watson is he cant score. Bad shot taker and perimeter scoring is missing. Deni avdija is the best guy they could get for MPJ position. He has versatile player like Gordon. Good at transition, good cutter,passing, have length and height and can also knock down 3s.
One other point that stood out to me was how well Kyrie fought through screens (got skinny) and didn't allow mismatch switches, unlike Murray who just lazily allowed Towns on him. Also a coaching thing I think, Malone should've been hammering them on fighting through screens.
As organization Denver tried to be slow with moving players, also Malone does not play rookies even if veterans played trashed. Malone tried DJ in this play-off, but he did not try Zeke for 3rd consecutive play off, Barton when he left Denver he did not stayed in one team more then few months, and he is not even so old. Why he did not traded him after awful play-off 2019-20. When you have some guys in market what you like them you should trade for them. Murray was just last year ready in play-off from last 4 years it is better to trade him for someone who would be available every year. Hunter Tyson played very good in summer league, Malone did not give him chance. If young guy is injured Malone sometimes just kick him out of rotation if veteran is out he give him chance after chance. How he can not organized any attack for 2nd unit, outside give Bounce or Murray ball and let them shoot bad shot after bad shot.
Yup.. saw it countless times. Like why is the starting 5 in when we are up 24 in the 4th against the hawks on a random Tuesday in January lol. Shit drove me nuts
Agree. I hated that comment from him. Major cope. Of COURSE a coach is gonna say “this wasn’t all that bad lolz!” because they can get their butt fired otherwise 😂
The Nuggets FO press conference look like funeral to me.The reality is until 2027 MPJ contract expired Nuggets will not win nothing ..And after that Jokic prime will be over and he may win one more chip but i dubbed it. Denver Nuggets organization destroyed Nikola Jokic carrier.
Such an interesting convo. I do think from what we saw from PWat in the regular season, he was poised to grow into a playoff component, 6 to 10 minutes. But he didnt seem to get the support. Better bench and 4 seed I think Nuggets get to the finals
He couldnt score. But defensive wise he is amazing. If only they have that drive like pascal siakam. Elevate their game with continous grinding. He and CB needs to fcking work with their 3pts shooting.
I think some of the comments about how the TWolves looked or what they did in this most recent Mavs game are a bit off base in that key guys on the TWolves were very tired from coming off a 7 game series against the Nuggets. I don’t think Edwards was worn out in one quarter of playing hard. 3/4 of his shots for the game were threes, and that’s partly a reflection that he was tired from minute 1.
We have been trying to develop players for years, this is nothing new. We literally won the one year we stopped developing and went out and traded for and signed people via free agency. TC was doing this same shit in Denver waiting and praying for players to develop and it never worked out, why would it be diff now? You guys already forget Bol bol, Bones Hyland, Rj Hampton, Pj Dozier, Juan Hernangomez ? And plenty more that never worked out ?
Booth's vision and Malone's goal is also not aligned with how the Nuggets play games sometimes. Jokic seems to like to maintain 10-12pt leads and sometimes that's not enough to secure leads and minutes to play a deeper roster. This team really needs to learn to put their foot down opponents' necks harder, not immediately coast when there's a "good lead" and then have to scramble late and push hard just to win games. Stop being the best "clutch" team in the league, just close games before it even gets to clutch time.
DLine is slow. It didn't work. And not trying other line ups or giving more minutes in the season meant there was no chance it would. Maybe it still doesn't work in the playoffs anyway, that's fair, but they gave it no chance to work at all reducing their possible options. You always want more options than less. Edit: And presuming the Nuggets would just walk to the title if they beat Minnesota is absurd. They struggled against the Lakers and got completely blown off the court several times by the Wolves. Maybe they do win but it was hardly anything like a guarantee with their form.
But now we don’t need to waste roster spots on Playless veterans since Jokic and Murray and AG are those battle tested vets. So find a useable body in some way
After seeing last night's game, I now know that the Nuggos could've beaten the Wolves in 5 or 6 if Murray was fully healthy and they had a deeper bench.
On conditioning... Imagine that you have the best player on the world that is always available and that has top endurace and you use his routine as a starting point. It is hard? Imagine that you are payed huge money for that. Denver players don't need to imagine!!!
if blame pie was to be divvied out for this season or the way it ended then i think jamal takes a very large portion, mpj maybe it a bit less than jamal, booth on the same level as mpj, and the kroenkes right there with booth. i know the suns owner didnt construct his roster correctly but that level of aggressiveness and disregard for the luxury tax is what i wish we could see from the kroenkes.
What’s the take now on DeAndre Jordan just being a players coach? Do we need that anymore. I’d rather a Jeff Green who was someone Coach could use and count on but still a vet. No more playless vets
i like the kind of players calvin targets but his idea that we need a pipeline of young guys only works if you are basically a 90 percent hitter on your draft picks which is almost impossible to do. championship winning teams need vets, like i imagine calvin thinks replacing kcp with CB is gonna turn out okay and if thats the case then the teams is gonna take an even further step back than they did this past season. adam you also said he was correct about there being only two ways to win with the new restrictive CBA, i disagree i think there's 3, the first two that booth said are correct but the third is having an owner who doesnt give a shit about the luxury tax at all like the warriors owner during their run, like the clippers current owner, like the suns owner, like the celtics owner, kroenke needs to step his shit up and be willing to pay a ton of money because the competition at the top of the league most of the time isnt gonna be as cheap as the kroenkes. its also funny to me that calvin is so married to his young guys idea when the trades that won us the chip were to get kcp, aaron gordon, jeff green, and bruce brown in here.
If taking out Jokic is as simple as "having two bigs on him", Denver should be more innovative in its plays and ways to get buckets? Jokic does have flaws, he can't create space for himself if he can't push players around. Bad coaching and game management. I don't like the excuse of "they were build to beat us", well yeah, and it's on Denver to find ways to beat them anyway.
I can't listen to this anymore...THEY WERE TIRED, but not because they played "hard" in March...Luka+Ky are playing 40min since after ASB, DAL overall made HUGE play-off push, they played PO defense for 3 months straight.
More of why they took 9 3pts shots in 3rd quarter of game 7?! They only got 1. The same thing they did against last spurs game this season where they blow also their 20 pts lead and lost the game. Instead of attacking the paint they went on 3pts shooting brick.
This is why small markets are not dynasties and are content with winning only one championship. You can see and feel the disconnect with Malone and booth now. Malone did not want to answer that question because he disagrees with booth about their bench players lmao Malone wants booth to trade the entire bench lmao 🤣 it’s crazy. Idk how they will win it next year if both are in disagreement.
Ball Handlers. This is exactly the problem. Even Murray isn't a great ball handler. Reggie Jackson and Murray both are more like shooting guards than point guards, and Murray especially dribbles too much and doesn't move enough off-the-ball so he can't wear out his defender. AG is almost as good as Murray at bringing the ball up, and Jokic is better than all of them. That's a problem.
year 2 KCP 34.5% from 3 ...year 2 Braun 38.5% & Braun was 35% in year one. He tracks as a better shooter than KCP actually. He has already reached the goal that Malone set. He needs to aim for 40% plus and AG needs to get back to 35 % territory.
The worse thing about all this, you can't take this year back...they were the best team for the 2nd time in a row (f*** that Jokic weak-ass quote - yes better team can loose the series, if the worse team shows more effort and concentration and seriousness). Who knows what will happen next, maybe without KCP they are no longer the best team, maybe next year we have actual injuries, maybe next year we have terrible shooting luck in the series. DEN had 4-8 year window, 1 year unlucky Murray injury, 1 year crazy long injury recovery, 1 championship, 1 year lack of desire to win...what a waste of potential
In pvp multiplayer games, there’s this cowardest thing to do called counter picking, where you pick a team of characters specifically to counter enemy team’s characters, by doing this any skill diff can be ignored because they are not outskilling opponents but simply countering them, eg. playing a sniper into melee characters, I think Wolves are doing the same, they are cowards, and I hope they get punished by other teams that counter them and never win a championship in another 30+ years
D line can't understand that they are tired... He can't. And that's ok 😉🤦 He can't understand that Malone is only one who played 5 starters and 5 bench players 😉 it's ok 😉😉😉😉😉 And he stillll think we are quoter away from wining the 🏆 😆
All the in-game adjustment talk and the what-could-have-been for the Nuggets all hinges on the fact that Mike Malone is one of the worst in-game adjustment coaches we've ever seen.
No. He is one of the good coach who can make in game adjustment. Game 4 and 5 and lakers series shows you that. What he did this year is similar to thibbs. He depended too much in small rotation and this is not just playoff. But the game 7, i do agree with you he didnt do a great job on that one.
Highly doubt KCP comes back. Take a hometown discount? Why should he? I wouldn’t either. If the Spurs offer a bag, take it & run. From the presser today, one can’t really conclude they won’t trade MPJ. I saw comments alluding to as much, and that’s a majorly flawed assessment. In fact, if you were indeed open to offers on him, you’d be ambiguous & have your coach talk him up publicly. Something to think about. I still believe they gotta sell while his value is still overall high. If Mike made 10 mil a yr, I’d say keep him. But dude makes 34 mil next season 🤯 give me a break, you didn’t that appropriate value for him the last two years. I just don’t get you fans who think he’s irreplaceable. The team needs to be upgraded. I for one hope they can get better pieces this offseason instead of the Reggies & DJs & Holidays of the world. It takes ammo & pieces to do that. Be realistic.
Adam’s excitement to go in on our Nuggets is starting to irritate me. The Twolves didn’t look good for 3/7 of these games. Including to loses at home by double digits lol
I meeean it's true, but that's not why they lost. They lost because Murray played like junk and so did the rest of the team. That being said, Murray really needs to STEP IT UP IN THE OFF SEASON. So does MPJ.
So the GM refuses the acknowledge his miscalculation and is going to torpedo the best player in our historys chances of getting even remotely close to another title cause he has to prove "I'm the most brilliant man in the sport and we will not alter MY amazing plan or player choices EVER" and won't concede to making any mistakes.
if you are gassed in 2nd round,how wouldn't you be gassed in WCF or NBA finale? Not to mention awful shooting percentage throughout series. No shows from 3rd,4th player on the team,etc...
Some of you guys called out Murray throughout the year---Don't know if you ever put it as bluntly as Murray entered the year as defending champ but was so arrogant he thought he could use the regular season as a conditioning regime and which other players in the league took as major disrespect-You could argue that he cost them a repeat
The Nuggets just need to go out and get another guy Bruce Brown who can take the ball pressure off Murray and create his own shot to pressure Jaden McDaniels off of MPJ. That is job #1 for Calvin Booth in the off-season. Get some damn backup point guard help other than Reggie Jackson who got played off the court. They need some help for Jokic and not DeAndre Jordan who didn't play at all. They need some relief for Aaron Gordon, not Zeke Naji who didn't play at all.
I hope I'm wrong, but is Jamal's body failing him. He seems to be chronically injured. MPJ's body seems to have healed. Is JM a worse bet on another long term contract? Should we consider trading JM home to Toronto in return for a another PG like say Bruce Brown? They could throw in Kelly Olynyk to balance the contracts? Thoughts?
RIP Denver Nuggets Dynasty 2023 - 2023. You see why franchises like Denver are flash in the pan Champions, whilst teams like the Lakers and Celtics are always on the chase for greatness
Wild for them to not admit they need new pieces to stay competitive and relevant. Did they have blinders on this postseason? Did they not see what we saw?
@@raz318 Rest of the West is getting better, Luka and Wemby era is literally here! Nuggets = Don't know about KCP because we need to stay under 2nd apron, but it's fine we will develop Jalen Pickett (no disrespect) for year 2028 when we can maybe make WCF again in Jokic's last year. Frustrating!!
Loving this pod. Great stuff. Yes!! Why is Aaron Gordon in the corner so much? KCP should have been there instead exclusively. Gordon needed and needs to grab rebounds !!!
Is anybody else annoyed by Harrison’s mannerisms?? If he knows better than the coach then why isn’t he a coach? Sitting up there and shit talking a coach coming off a Chip and having to run a team with one hand behind his back with a young bench. Questioning Malone for doing exactly what he did last year to win a chip and acting like it was the most obvious issue when he, like us, was on cloud 9 all year with this team and their chances to repeat. How about dialing back the criticism bro, youre being a dick
@@ExplodingPoteto that's what I'm saying 🤣. We need that! Plus he can if u alow him shoot 7 3s... And make 2 3 i'm sure! And younger.... So i don't understand how CB is not at least good....as KCP
@@ljutko7 he isnt yet. It was mention before he doenst have much confidence taking shots. But he really needs to grind more. Off screen, Catch and shoot, quick release is something he needs to master to be a good SG. If he can be decent scorer, he is worthy to play starter.
@@ExplodingPoteto trust me he isn't maybe good now like kcp but if he play all year with starters he gonna be better. Kcp couldn't get near ant...CB can... And maybe he can't shoot like kcp but give him a chance he will... I want to say at the end if we lose kcp it's not a big deal or a thing that's going to affect Denver wining chip... It's other stuff what's more important
Did you all see how the Mavs had no issue dribbling the ball up court? Meanwhile Jamal was struggling every possession to get it past half court.
Yeah. That was sobering
Must help to have Doncic and Kyrie
We don't have any explosive players who can get to the rim. DAL has two of em!
You are comparing Murray to Kyrie Irving and Luka Dončić.
@@je5406 Why was this sobering? There was evidence of this all throughout the last two years. It was always excused with "but with till playoff Jamal nonsense".
Murray needs to get into shape and also if you could trade MPJ for Markennen I would do that immediately.
Why woul the Jazz do that though 😭
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 similar contracts and the jazz could use a pure spot up shooter.
@@lil_truth my dude, the Jazz could fleece OKC for as many first as they want if OKC really wants Markennen, why would they trade with Denver?
11:00 yes Jamal needs an extra ballhandler, because he's not a point guard, he's a shooting guard. The organisational insistence to the contrary is one of the most mystifying and annoying things about the Nuggets.
100% agree. If he was playing the Kyrie role next to another guy who can get to the rim!
I said this many times that’s why he’s not good with the 2nd unit because he’s not a point guard he doesn’t know how 2 get them involved & b a true floor general & it’s just a isso show
Disagree. Murray averages 6 assists with a 3:1 A/To ratio. This season he had more assists per 36 this season than Steph Curry, SGA, Brunson, Lillard and a bunch of other NBA point guards, and with low turnovers. Oh, and he’s won an NBA championship playing all of the PG minutes. The argument he’s not a “real PG” was a reasonable argument in 2017; it’s not now.
@@scooterk5 do u actually watch the games he’s not a true PG n playmakers a lot off his assist come from just throwing the ball 2 jokic inside the paint & jokic finishing he doesn’t know he 2 actually create & playmake it’s easy 2 get assist when u have a player like Jokic or embid or giannis or u really need to do is throw them the ball inside & they Finnish & the nba counts that as a assist 🤦🏾♂️ but have a look when Murray is out with the bench unit he can’t run the offence he doesn’t know what 2 do he just overdribbles then chucks uk a bad shot he not a true PG
@@scooterk5 without jokic his assist would go down by half he stat pads easy assists on jokic
Harrison Wind making great comment after great comment. He gets it!!
Someone needs to point out to Malone that the starters were gassed and had to push after yhe all star break because Jamal Murray did not carry his weight during the regular season or the playoffs frankly
They both called out Murray for needing to be in better shape overall.
yeah DAL rested, all teams rested after ASB, only DEN "pushed"
Booth has zero vision he thinks if he develops playera for the future that will be best for the team, there is no future without Jokic what you have in him now is your future and most valuable player in history,you give what you need to be good now
He's missing brain cells for sure.
KCP leaving with be devastating. Jokic is on your team why are you not dumping your pockets.
This is an interesting point. How much money do you think the Nuggets organization lost by not making the conference finals and the NBA finals this year? That’s probably 3 home games each series, plus broadcast revenue. I would guess probably fifty million dollars total, if not more. So they could have spent another $20-30 million to improve the bench and maybe you pay some luxury tax, but it actually would’ve MADE them money.
@@gnomechomsky2524Y’all need to review the NBA cap space rules and apron penalties.
Interesting logic from Nuggets, working mid-long term while they have a generational talent NOW for another 3-4 years. Dallas has Luka and they've done everything to support him, Kyrie, Brunson, Porzingis. Let's not go to what Boston has done to support their star. Nuggets didn't make any effort to bring one single AllStar caliber player to support a three times MVP. I really hope Jokic leaves soon to a franchise that will appreciate him.
My guy Pozingis was a hurried bad decision from the Mavs, they gutted their team, depleted their assets, for a guy that was injured and could never stay long on the floor when in Dallas. They still owe picks to New York. And in hindsight the fit was so bad, KP wasn't a "real" big, and he came as an All Star to a team with a rookie Luka, expecting to be n1. We see now he's much better as a 3rd option.
Brunson only got good once he got minutes because KP was traded.
Last year Luka n2 option was Christian Wood, and people wonder why his usage rate and minutes were so high. The Mavs only started to get serious about team construction after they traded for Kyrie, last february.
Nuggets have a 5-7 years window to win championships at best. It all depends on Jokic. If he is healthy and has the energy to play his best, the Nuggets have a chance to win. But, that window might be 3-5 years if he is not. They have already wasted Jokic's 2 prime years, but that was because of the injuries of Jamal and MPJ. This year was wasted because of Calvin Booth with his delusion of being the GM with the greatest eye for talent that anybody has ever seen. With late first and early second-round players, he is building not just a great bench, but also future starters.
To me, that is just delusional. Even a talented player needs 3-5 years to be able to play at a high level. Only super-talented players can be good from the year 1 or 2. The problem is that 80% of the draft will take longer or never, and 80% of them at least are picked in the first 15th draft places (I pulled the numbers out of my ass, but I don't think that it is too far from the truth). There is also a third type of rookie. High floor with, a short ceiling, and I think Christian Braun is that type of player. Good from the jump, but he won't get much better. I like how Christian is playing, but I don't see him on a championship starting 5, while I think he can be a good 6th player off the bench. If we believe that this is true more or less, let us also believe that all of the players that Booth picks are sure-fire hits. That means, that once these players are ready to play, they will be eligible for extension, and therefore are not going to be on rookie contracts anymore, so you would have to trade them for new picks, because they will be too expensive to keep them, and the Nuggets will have to go into the second apron.
So even if the Nuggets have a 5-7 years championship window, they will most likely waste 3-4 of those years with this stupid strategy. As long as Jokic is one of the 3 best players in the world, you can win, but even then you have to optimize the team around him. I agree that Malone should mix the bench unit with 2 starters instead of 1. Also, Murry and MPJ have to be better than this year, but the big reason for them not being as good as last year is that they are missing Bruce and Jeff off the bench. They need to replace them with other good veterans, and not Pickett and Tyson. You had some young players last year, but you had more veterans that fit the team, and know how to play in the playoffs. I want to see how Booth does with trades and free agency. He made no good trades and had luck with Bruce so far. If Booth continues with this plan, all I can say is that Jokic should be traded sooner then later.
You nailed it. Although I see the window to 2-4 years tops. Especially with Booths hubris
@@je5406I used to think Jok might’ve gone in 3 yrs or so, but then yesterday the new advertising agreement came out. Players will soon be earning 90-100 mil a season! Joke will easily get that when he’s up for a new contract. I don’t see anybody turning down that kind of bread.
Plus he plays below the rim, so his body should last longer than the Greeks & Embiids of the world.
Jokic will always be healthy and can play for long.
I do agree booth is shit for gambling on the 2nd RD pick to support these team to run it back. Its a waste.
Reggie doesnt fit with jokic as well. The best guard that fits jokic are one that strong finisher at the rim, good cutters and catch and shoot. I hope they could get some better support.
Reggie and zeke needs to go including Tyson and pickett.
5-7 years window was back in 2020. Now that's 1-3 years window.
@@BaronMagick nah, that’s a doomer outlook
So instead of taking what's in front of your nose, you are thinking about 2030's. This is great.
Very foolish indeed. Booth has to understand that nothing after Jokic matters.
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@@je5406a once in a LIFETIME gem…!! You go 💯 to make the best out of him & help him win you rings FFS
Is really the strategy of front office to wait out for very low 1st round picks and 2nd round picks become playoff performers? This is years away and past Jokic's window. This is absolute nonsense. Booth is a doofus.
Also, why isn't Malone watching the remaining games? Isn't a part of his job to know the opponents?
I think the point about construction of the team was based on other cap rules is huge because it forced us to do what we did. Simply put MPJs contract is killing the team.. you can't have a 16 point a game dude making 33 million. At this point you have to get rid of that albatross and free up money. I would do the following, trade MPJ to the Magic, he would fit perfectly. Ask for our 2025 #1 draft pick back and the Magics #1 in 2025, with a caveat. We need ours so we can trade the 2024 #1 because of the Stapien rule. Then do something like our 2024 #1 and the Magic #1 2025 and 1 second rounder and Zeke Nnaji to the Pelicans for Herb Jones, a top 3 3 and D wing. Then next year trade on draft day our 2025 draft pick back to the Magic so they basically get MPJ for 1 #1. Then you free up 33 million to resign KCP and extend Gordon, and you have a stopper in Jones is 3 years at $11 million. Then you have the money to get other free agents because you are way below the 2nd apron.
Best plan I've seen so far👌🏽
Why would the pelicans trade Jones. All nba defender on one of the best value contracts in the nba. Make it make sense. Lol
I agree that both KCP and Gordon should be kept, as they are perfectly fit to jokic. And trading MPJ.
But i dont agree on getting Herbs. Not because he isnt good or they're not willing to trade him. But because its the reason why they have watson off the bench. The only problem with watson is he cant score. Bad shot taker and perimeter scoring is missing.
Deni avdija is the best guy they could get for MPJ position. He has versatile player like Gordon. Good at transition, good cutter,passing, have length and height and can also knock down 3s.
New Orleans isn't trading Herb Jones
One other point that stood out to me was how well Kyrie fought through screens (got skinny) and didn't allow mismatch switches, unlike Murray who just lazily allowed Towns on him. Also a coaching thing I think, Malone should've been hammering them on fighting through screens.
Calvin booth has to say that shit. Jokic is getting older they need a slight change. I believe
Did Jokic show any sign of aging? Plays most minutes in his career in almost all games and doesn't get injured = shows signs of aging
Malone could have done plenty differently. Mainly, not run the starters into the ground.
As organization Denver tried to be slow with moving players, also Malone does not play rookies even if veterans played trashed. Malone tried DJ in this play-off, but he did not try Zeke for 3rd consecutive play off, Barton when he left Denver he did not stayed in one team more then few months, and he is not even so old. Why he did not traded him after awful play-off 2019-20. When you have some guys in market what you like them you should trade for them. Murray was just last year ready in play-off from last 4 years it is better to trade him for someone who would be available every year.
Hunter Tyson played very good in summer league, Malone did not give him chance. If young guy is injured Malone sometimes just kick him out of rotation if veteran is out he give him chance after chance.
How he can not organized any attack for 2nd unit, outside give Bounce or Murray ball and let them shoot bad shot after bad shot.
Dallas gonna be champs 100%. Go Luka. If Denver had Luka instead of MPJ. My God, champ repeat for next 10 years.
I hope Dallas wins, but don’t count the Timberpups out yet.
If we're up 20 points in a regular season game, Malone kept the starters in until about 2 minutes left. It was frustrating.
Yup.. saw it countless times. Like why is the starting 5 in when we are up 24 in the 4th against the hawks on a random Tuesday in January lol. Shit drove me nuts
Here's the reason: the bench ALWAYS loses by 20 points within 3 minutes without Jokic on the floor.
This happened EVERY GAME.
Malone is so full of shit. All those accolades and you lose in the second round? Of course it was a failure of a season
Agree. I hated that comment from him. Major cope. Of COURSE a coach is gonna say “this wasn’t all that bad lolz!” because they can get their butt fired otherwise 😂
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The Nuggets FO press conference look like funeral to me.The reality is until 2027 MPJ contract expired Nuggets will not win nothing ..And after that Jokic prime will be over and he may win one more chip but i dubbed it.
Denver Nuggets organization destroyed Nikola Jokic carrier.
Already did by wasting this god damn year. They could fcking 3peat if the GM did his job.
Thinking MPJ is killing the team when Mal misses 30 games and sucks for 9 out of 12 playoffs games, just shows that you don't know ball
Such an interesting convo. I do think from what we saw from PWat in the regular season, he was poised to grow into a playoff component, 6 to 10 minutes. But he didnt seem to get the support. Better bench and 4 seed I think Nuggets get to the finals
He couldnt score. But defensive wise he is amazing. If only they have that drive like pascal siakam. Elevate their game with continous grinding. He and CB needs to fcking work with their 3pts shooting.
I think some of the comments about how the TWolves looked or what they did in this most recent Mavs game are a bit off base in that key guys on the TWolves were very tired from coming off a 7 game series against the Nuggets. I don’t think Edwards was worn out in one quarter of playing hard. 3/4 of his shots for the game were threes, and that’s partly a reflection that he was tired from minute 1.
Why the countdown, it is so annoying.
We have been trying to develop players for years, this is nothing new. We literally won the one year we stopped developing and went out and traded for and signed people via free agency. TC was doing this same shit in Denver waiting and praying for players to develop and it never worked out, why would it be diff now? You guys already forget Bol bol, Bones Hyland, Rj Hampton, Pj Dozier, Juan Hernangomez ? And plenty more that never worked out ?
Booth's vision and Malone's goal is also not aligned with how the Nuggets play games sometimes. Jokic seems to like to maintain 10-12pt leads and sometimes that's not enough to secure leads and minutes to play a deeper roster. This team really needs to learn to put their foot down opponents' necks harder, not immediately coast when there's a "good lead" and then have to scramble late and push hard just to win games.
Stop being the best "clutch" team in the league, just close games before it even gets to clutch time.
DLine is slow. It didn't work. And not trying other line ups or giving more minutes in the season meant there was no chance it would. Maybe it still doesn't work in the playoffs anyway, that's fair, but they gave it no chance to work at all reducing their possible options. You always want more options than less.
Edit: And presuming the Nuggets would just walk to the title if they beat Minnesota is absurd. They struggled against the Lakers and got completely blown off the court several times by the Wolves. Maybe they do win but it was hardly anything like a guarantee with their form.
Malone played everyone he could. Zeke and Strawther got injured, and Watson got a ton of minutes. Just not in the second round. Let's not be blind.
But now we don’t need to waste roster spots on Playless veterans since Jokic and Murray and AG are those battle tested vets. So find a useable body in some way
After seeing last night's game, I now know that the Nuggos could've beaten the Wolves in 5 or 6 if Murray was fully healthy and they had a deeper bench.
Dallas is also built to beat Jokić plus it has Dončić who will be future top five all-time with Irving as his wingman. Ant is a Ja Morant level.
He's willing to sacrifice Jokic's best years to have a mid team when Jokic is gone.
On conditioning... Imagine that you have the best player on the world that is always available and that has top endurace and you use his routine as a starting point. It is hard? Imagine that you are payed huge money for that.
Denver players don't need to imagine!!!
if blame pie was to be divvied out for this season or the way it ended then i think jamal takes a very large portion, mpj maybe it a bit less than jamal, booth on the same level as mpj, and the kroenkes right there with booth. i know the suns owner didnt construct his roster correctly but that level of aggressiveness and disregard for the luxury tax is what i wish we could see from the kroenkes.
What’s the take now on DeAndre Jordan just being a players coach? Do we need that anymore. I’d rather a Jeff Green who was someone Coach could use and count on but still a vet. No more playless vets
Jordan's pointless
i like the kind of players calvin targets but his idea that we need a pipeline of young guys only works if you are basically a 90 percent hitter on your draft picks which is almost impossible to do. championship winning teams need vets, like i imagine calvin thinks replacing kcp with CB is gonna turn out okay and if thats the case then the teams is gonna take an even further step back than they did this past season. adam you also said he was correct about there being only two ways to win with the new restrictive CBA, i disagree i think there's 3, the first two that booth said are correct but the third is having an owner who doesnt give a shit about the luxury tax at all like the warriors owner during their run, like the clippers current owner, like the suns owner, like the celtics owner, kroenke needs to step his shit up and be willing to pay a ton of money because the competition at the top of the league most of the time isnt gonna be as cheap as the kroenkes. its also funny to me that calvin is so married to his young guys idea when the trades that won us the chip were to get kcp, aaron gordon, jeff green, and bruce brown in here.
If taking out Jokic is as simple as "having two bigs on him", Denver should be more innovative in its plays and ways to get buckets? Jokic does have flaws, he can't create space for himself if he can't push players around. Bad coaching and game management.
I don't like the excuse of "they were build to beat us", well yeah, and it's on Denver to find ways to beat them anyway.
100% two little kids on each side.
I can't listen to this anymore...THEY WERE TIRED, but not because they played "hard" in March...Luka+Ky are playing 40min since after ASB, DAL overall made HUGE play-off push, they played PO defense for 3 months straight.
The biggest difference was Brown. Why? Reduces ball handling for top 2 scorers. Being on ball so much wore them out. Watson needs to play more.
Adam was correct. He played AG to much. He had to play PF Bck Cent and guard the best offensive player. He ran him into the ground..
I will never understand why the Nuggets went away from AG bringing the ball up in the series. That was Malone’s biggest failure in that game imo.
More of why they took 9 3pts shots in 3rd quarter of game 7?! They only got 1. The same thing they did against last spurs game this season where they blow also their 20 pts lead and lost the game.
Instead of attacking the paint they went on 3pts shooting brick.
@@ExplodingPotetoThey can't attack the paint. This team doesn't have anyone who can drive the ball to the basket.
This is why small markets are not dynasties and are content with winning only one championship. You can see and feel the disconnect with Malone and booth now. Malone did not want to answer that question because he disagrees with booth about their bench players lmao Malone wants booth to trade the entire bench lmao 🤣 it’s crazy. Idk how they will win it next year if both are in disagreement.
The bench players are simply not good players. Coaching won't turn them into Nas Reid.
Ball Handlers. This is exactly the problem. Even Murray isn't a great ball handler. Reggie Jackson and Murray both are more like shooting guards than point guards, and Murray especially dribbles too much and doesn't move enough off-the-ball so he can't wear out his defender. AG is almost as good as Murray at bringing the ball up, and Jokic is better than all of them. That's a problem.
You need 2 All-Stars to win. Murray wasn’t one in these playoffs…
year 2 KCP 34.5% from 3 ...year 2 Braun 38.5% & Braun was 35% in year one. He tracks as a better shooter than KCP actually. He has already reached the goal that Malone set. He needs to aim for 40% plus and AG needs to get back to 35 % territory.
And Dever vas built to beat Lakers
The worse thing about all this, you can't take this year back...they were the best team for the 2nd time in a row (f*** that Jokic weak-ass quote - yes better team can loose the series, if the worse team shows more effort and concentration and seriousness). Who knows what will happen next, maybe without KCP they are no longer the best team, maybe next year we have actual injuries, maybe next year we have terrible shooting luck in the series. DEN had 4-8 year window, 1 year unlucky Murray injury, 1 year crazy long injury recovery, 1 championship, 1 year lack of desire to win...what a waste of potential
In pvp multiplayer games, there’s this cowardest thing to do called counter picking, where you pick a team of characters specifically to counter enemy team’s characters, by doing this any skill diff can be ignored because they are not outskilling opponents but simply countering them, eg. playing a sniper into melee characters, I think Wolves are doing the same, they are cowards, and I hope they get punished by other teams that counter them and never win a championship in another 30+ years
Why is Vlatko even a topic, dude is trash+ he didn't play for 2 years, he can't even play for the G League now
D line can't understand that they are tired... He can't. And that's ok 😉🤦
He can't understand that Malone is only one who played 5 starters and 5 bench players 😉 it's ok 😉😉😉😉😉
And he stillll think we are quoter away from wining the 🏆 😆
All the in-game adjustment talk and the what-could-have-been for the Nuggets all hinges on the fact that Mike Malone is one of the worst in-game adjustment coaches we've ever seen.
No. He is one of the good coach who can make in game adjustment. Game 4 and 5 and lakers series shows you that.
What he did this year is similar to thibbs. He depended too much in small rotation and this is not just playoff.
But the game 7, i do agree with you he didnt do a great job on that one.
Slip your shoes off fellas
Guy with the Denver hat is delusional af
Highly doubt KCP comes back. Take a hometown discount? Why should he? I wouldn’t either. If the Spurs offer a bag, take it & run.
From the presser today, one can’t really conclude they won’t trade MPJ. I saw comments alluding to as much, and that’s a majorly flawed assessment. In fact, if you were indeed open to offers on him, you’d be ambiguous & have your coach talk him up publicly. Something to think about.
I still believe they gotta sell while his value is still overall high. If Mike made 10 mil a yr, I’d say keep him. But dude makes 34 mil next season 🤯 give me a break, you didn’t that appropriate value for him the last two years. I just don’t get you fans who think he’s irreplaceable. The team needs to be upgraded. I for one hope they can get better pieces this offseason instead of the Reggies & DJs & Holidays of the world. It takes ammo & pieces to do that. Be realistic.
Adam’s excitement to go in on our Nuggets is starting to irritate me. The Twolves didn’t look good for 3/7 of these games. Including to loses at home by double digits lol
Listening to these clowns blaming everything on Murray not being a combination of Kyrie and Kobe. We don't need to worry about them moving forward.
I meeean it's true, but that's not why they lost. They lost because Murray played like junk and so did the rest of the team.
That being said, Murray really needs to STEP IT UP IN THE OFF SEASON. So does MPJ.
Blaming Murray is appropriate.
Murray said at the beginning “I’ll be ready for the playoffs” he was not ready. Absolutely fair, next time come in in-shape and ready to go.
So the GM refuses the acknowledge his miscalculation and is going to torpedo the best player in our historys chances of getting even remotely close to another title cause he has to prove "I'm the most brilliant man in the sport and we will not alter MY amazing plan or player choices EVER" and won't concede to making any mistakes.
He said its been a week so chill
Brilliant
I think that Murray, even last year was breathing harder than the rest of the players.
if you are gassed in 2nd round,how wouldn't you be gassed in WCF or NBA finale? Not to mention awful shooting percentage throughout series. No shows from 3rd,4th player on the team,etc...
Some of you guys called out Murray throughout the year---Don't know if you ever put it as bluntly as Murray entered the year as defending champ but was so arrogant he thought he could use the regular season as a conditioning regime and which other players in the league took as major disrespect-You could argue that he cost them a repeat
He was injured broski
The Nuggets just need to go out and get another guy Bruce Brown who can take the ball pressure off Murray and create his own shot to pressure Jaden McDaniels off of MPJ. That is job #1 for Calvin Booth in the off-season. Get some damn backup point guard help other than Reggie Jackson who got played off the court. They need some help for Jokic and not DeAndre Jordan who didn't play at all. They need some relief for Aaron Gordon, not Zeke Naji who didn't play at all.
Get who? Name examples, contract numbers, trade scenarios.
I don’t know why it never comes up that we didn’t look all that great against LA.
Hahaha bro blind won't speak on that... it's mind-blowing
I hope I'm wrong, but is Jamal's body failing him. He seems to be chronically injured. MPJ's body seems to have healed. Is JM a worse bet on another long term contract? Should we consider trading JM home to Toronto in return for a another PG like say Bruce Brown? They could throw in Kelly Olynyk to balance the contracts? Thoughts?
Here's the deal. We need Dallas to lose.
Trade: MPJ and Jamal for Luka, Gafford, and maxi Kleeber.
Dynasty.
Luka and Gafford is a bit much, mavs would need more
RIP Denver Nuggets Dynasty 2023 - 2023. You see why franchises like Denver are flash in the pan Champions, whilst teams like the Lakers and Celtics are always on the chase for greatness
Wild for them to not admit they need new pieces to stay competitive and relevant. Did they have blinders on this postseason? Did they not see what we saw?
@@raz318 Rest of the West is getting better, Luka and Wemby era is literally here! Nuggets = Don't know about KCP because we need to stay under 2nd apron, but it's fine we will develop Jalen Pickett (no disrespect) for year 2028 when we can maybe make WCF again in Jokic's last year. Frustrating!!
Boy…you’re a bummer man. Good luck carrying around that pessimism around. Sheesh
Loving this pod. Great stuff. Yes!! Why is Aaron Gordon in the corner so much? KCP should have been there instead exclusively. Gordon needed and needs to grab rebounds !!!
Is anybody else annoyed by Harrison’s mannerisms?? If he knows better than the coach then why isn’t he a coach? Sitting up there and shit talking a coach coming off a Chip and having to run a team with one hand behind his back with a young bench. Questioning Malone for doing exactly what he did last year to win a chip and acting like it was the most obvious issue when he, like us, was on cloud 9 all year with this team and their chances to repeat. How about dialing back the criticism bro, youre being a dick
Kcp can't have layup, CB can attack rim wtf? We don't have player to attack f rim!
CB can and that is one of his strong points even in NCAA days.
@@ExplodingPoteto that's what I'm saying 🤣. We need that! Plus he can if u alow him shoot 7 3s... And make 2 3 i'm sure! And younger.... So i don't understand how CB is not at least good....as KCP
@@ljutko7 he isnt yet. It was mention before he doenst have much confidence taking shots. But he really needs to grind more. Off screen, Catch and shoot, quick release is something he needs to master to be a good SG.
If he can be decent scorer, he is worthy to play starter.
@@ExplodingPoteto trust me he isn't maybe good now like kcp but if he play all year with starters he gonna be better. Kcp couldn't get near ant...CB can... And maybe he can't shoot like kcp but give him a chance he will... I want to say at the end if we lose kcp it's not a big deal or a thing that's going to affect Denver wining chip... It's other stuff what's more important
@@ljutko7 actually i do agree CB can guard Ant and Pwat can guard Naz/mcdaniels. They did amazing job one of regular season game.
Harrison looks like he smoked a ton of weed before this pod
Bs. We would’ve beat the Mavs
I agree
Wasting Nikolas best years I hope he demands a trade
@@je5406"as a lifelong nuggets fan, I am not a lifelong nuggets fan" 😂