Exactly. People really need to be careful when believing what they see on the internet. Check the persons credential and the science. Royal Purple, Mobil1 and Amsoil all dont make their own filters even, just like most of the OEM's are not making their filters either. Filtration quality a very misunderstood and there is a ton of mis-info out there.
Beat me to it. Worked for NAPA for over a Decade. WIX made both the Silver and Gold Filters. And the Silver was better than most other brand name filters. Gold was just that, the top of the heap. Still the only brand I will use.
@@adotintheshark4848 Those are commercial grade filters. Basically they meet the minimum basic requirements. Not that it matters. They are just going to forget to put in on, screw it down tight. And that doesn't matter if they don't tighten, or remember to put the drain plug back in.
I used to be an aircraft mechanic, and we cut open filters, inspect and send samples for testing every oil change. So I started cutting open filters on my vehicles, had a Ford pickup at the time. 2 of the 3 Motocraft filters I used had the filter media fall apart, and not only stopped filtering, but introduced contamination. The Fram filters were always good, but didn't look like that. Wix was the better quality. Cutting them open with an angle grinder would contaminate the filter, as far as inspection for metal. We used a tool similar to a pipe cutter. Also, test the filters after 3000 miles use if you want a real test.
Thank you for this buddy. I had a Toyota Prado diesel engine (recently rebuilt) lose its big end from oil starvation. It was running a Blueprint filter at the time, & I had a feeling that that caused the failure - lost internal structure & likely sent something down to block an oil channel. Genuine Toyota filters only for me, from then!
@Arif L Toyota filters are going to be made by either Denso or Purolator. The ones manufactured by Purolator are identical, internally, to the Motorcrafts they also make. The ones made by Denso are generally poor to average quality. If your Toyota filter is made anywhere in Asia, it's a Denso, and if it's made in North America, it's a Purolator. I stopped buying the Toyota/Denso filter for my Land Cruiser and switched to the Motorcraft (which is basically what the old Toyota filter was, before they got Denso to take over production of that style.) With the Denso I was getting a startup rattle from the valvetrain, which disappeared with the Motorcraft.
@@guyvanbrussel9772 I've used fram for fifty years, and don't expect to ever use them again. I will cut my own apart to final decide, but I do expect this video to be true, and will return if I find it questionable. The majority response to this video suggests it's accuracy.
@@guyvanbrussel9772Brussel, this guy is just "upselling" by instilling fear in his customers. I actually had an airplane mechanic cut open one of my car's Fram filters that had about 9,000 miles on it. It was just fine. No unexpected particulates, it was holding together just fine. Not leaking. The pressure relief valve was working fine.
Fram started in New England back in the thirties and was a very high quality product but now after a few corporate buyouts and mergers is riding on its name. What usually happens in all these corporate transactions is the buyers want to maximize their profits after spending money on the takeover. The easiest and most common way is to reduce the quality of the product and to reduce the number of employees with the remaining employees forced to increase their workload without any commensurate increase in pay. Been through it three times. It sucks.
gwynn romano- you hit the nail on the head. Fram used to be the best. You gave an accurate explanation on how Fram filter quality has become so shitty. And it is appreciated you brought forth this info......thanks!
You mean you wouldn't touch the *cheapest* Fram oil filter. So many people get so damn confused on such a simple subject. The plain orange ones are the garbage filters which no one in their right mind would put on even their clunker car, the rest of Fram's oil filters range from decent to very good quality.
Actually they don't, fram is the worst oil filter you could possibly get, as an auto mechanic and former oriellys employee please don't ever put a fram filter on your car
For what it's worth, long before I knew this about Fram filters , I bought many ,many Fram filters over the years . I put hundreds of thousands of miles on them going to work and back for 30 years, never 1 oil related issue .
Exactly. Show me the evidence that they are no good. Based on the video there should be dead engines everywhere to prove they are no good but where are they. Cheap people that don’t do regular oil changes have destroyed far more engines. And those I’ve seen plenty of.
I used fram for years on many engines. Never had an oil related failure. I also changed religiously and flushed once a year with cheap oil and seafoam.
@@donziperk Yeah, you would think there would be particles of cardboard floating around in your oil pan, and clogging oil passages, causing engine failures. Now the little bit of rust? That won't do anything at all. Those filters were probably stored in a humid environment for a period of time.
@@MicroSoftner the platinum has a synthetic media designed to go the extra miles with synthetic oil, so you're just wasting money on the filter. As far as the rest of the video goes, no surprise there. On a side note, wix was bought out by mann-hummell, a German based company.. but I've noticed no change in the quality on the Napa side of the supply.
Been using fram tough guard filters for years. Haven't had a problem. As long as you change your oil and filter every 3 thousand miles you shouldn't have a problem. 2 jeeps with over 300,000 miles on both engines still runningM
Lol do you guys believe in life time trans fluid too 😂I wouldn’t ever use the cheap frams the other ones are ok but still shit wix or KandN all the way
Fram use to be owned by Bendix then got bought by Allied Signal, I use to work in the factory in Stratford Ont. Canada in the early 80's. These filters were build with high attention to detail , top quality parts and were consider the best in the industry in the 80's. That's how they built their reputation. They were tested constantly and performed better than any of the competitors. On the production line they ran Fram, AC, Motorcraft, Honda & Toyota to name a few. Fram got bought by Honeywell in the 90's and now it is owned by Rank Group. The factories in Canada are gone and most in the states are gone moved to Asia just to make a buck and screw the North American consumer.
Hi Jim. Thank's for the great video. I've come across several video's over the years about fram being poor quality so i decided to cut one open myself and found exactly the same terrible quality that you show in this video. I can't believe they're still in business.
Rust in the Fram is due to moisture getting in AFTER the filter was made. Fram did not add the moisture as a feature.!! Most likely poor storage or someone spilled water on it.
I used Fram in my vehicles for my whole life. I greatly appreciate your honest assessment of the filters. Now I will NEVER use their product. Exceptional knowledge and PSA buddy. Keep em honest!
I had a Fram oil filter warp under the pressure of starting at subzero temps. Pumped half a quart of oil onto the ground in the parking lot. Didn't see it until the next day, lucky not to have blown the motor.
As with most of the commenters, I will not be buying Scam... I mean, Fram filters again. I always thought they were pretty reputable and liked the fact that they powder coated part of the case with texture for better grip. Guess they spent their budget on that grip and figured no one would look past the "lipstick on the pig". I appreciate you for taking the time to make this video. :)
@@mmdirtyworkz It definitely makes it less slippery in your hand. Maybe I have poor technique but I drop way more filters when I unscrew them now than when I was using the frams.
@@andrewwalsh9849 Maybe you are used to have grip there. I've never used such filters and haven't dropped one in oil yet. But I unscrew it slooooowly at the end :D
As a retired mechanic of over 25 years I always use the napa gold... sure the are a few bucks more but it's the best even better than oem dodge filter... Bosch is good but it's my 2nd choice
@@rejm1161 In your dreams ...any company capable of that crap filter cuts corners in everything they make Fram is DEAD to me I used their products for years not knowing how dangerous they were
How is this possibly a surprise? I was a kid in the 90s and even before the internet the word was going around in magazines and circles of how bad the Fram filters were, not only just bad, but damaging. 25 years later, they've changed nothing and people are still surprised?
Travis D I mean so many people install the cheapest filters. What’s your point? If you’re going to spend extra money on a high end fram filter, why not just buy OE? Sure, the high end filters from fram are good, but they come at a price.
@@richieschmidt6225 my point is if you gonna compare filters compare equal grade filters period not some half ass bullshit like this, high grade to high or medium to medium don't push your preference or bias on brands. Hell anyone can make a video and say, hey I like brand X everything else sucks. The higher end fram filters are no more expensive than OE filters, plus the fliters used here are all around 10 to 15 bucks except the frame, it runs about 5.
I wish you would have done a K&N filter. Some years ago, somebody wrote on a motorcycle forum not to use a Fram filter. He said it ruined his engine because card board clogged the port in the engine. I though he was blowing smoke but I wasn't taking any chances. Your video proved to me the guy was telling the truth. WOW ! I bought one Fram filter for my bike before I read the forum, That filter is still sitting in the garage, unused. Tomorrow I trash the filter. Thanks for posting this video. It was very educational. Barry
It would be interesting to see a Fram filter from the 60's opened up and compared to a modern one . We all had hot rods in the 60's and 70's , and Fram was THE filter for racing .
Yeah. Harley brand oil filters from the 90's were excellent, but now, they're like this Fram example....Surprisingly, Fram filters for Harleys are much better quality than new Harley filters.
@@billcarp3523 When Harley starts making filters, oil, etc I might give them some consideration. HD dealers have been sued for threatening to void warranties if HD branded products weren't used. That's illegal in the US. If HD required their HD branded oil to be used, they would have to provide it at no cost. Not all dealers have been overly scrupulous.
@@skylane807 just watched a video of an HD filter vs FRAM ... the FRAM was in a different league over the crap HD one ... seems like you can't take anything as given. Maybe someone's making a fortune out of selling rebranded crap ...? I think it's time we checked for ourselves rather than just believe a youtuber; they can't all disagree with each other and also all be right!
Fram by far makes the BEST oil filter for motorcycles. Fram makes the same quality of filter they made 25 years ago before bean counters started cutting corners. They have always been made in Taiwan. Taiwan has a true motorcycle culture. 70% of all licensed drivers in Taiwan have a motorcycle, compared to approximately 5% in the US. They also take great pride in products they make.
I'm like the other guys I've always use Fram but I will never ever use a Fram oil filter again on my vehicles. I did not know this until I seen your video thanks so much for your time and showing us the inside of these filters.
Did the same test back about 1970 in an automotive course. I see Fram has increased their filter area since then, and by quite a bit. They were garbage in 1970, and I’m glad to see I’ve avoided them all these years for good reason.
So when is my engine going to die ? My 23 year old truck with 300,000 miles. My oil comes out non gritty and I've only used Fram and Penzoil traditional oil. Never had any internal issues.
I knew fram isn't the best, but it works, but after seeing this, I won't be using them anymore. I depend on my car to get me back and forth to work. It's worth every penny to have the best products to keep it on the road the best I can.
I've been using Fram Tough Guards and Mobile 1 in my truck for 200k miles without a problem. I'm at 300k miles now no rebuild in sight. He can talk all the crap about the cheap $3.50 Fram all he wants. The mid range $5 ones I use haven't failed me yet.
James R - like I said I don't use the low end Extra Guard in the video. I use the mid grade Tough Guard or their top end Ultra Synthetic. They are both built different than the orange one. This dude is comparing a $3 filter to a $9 filter. Why couldn't he get an Ultra Synthetic which is Frams $8 filter? Would have been a better comparison in my opinion.
I had a fram collapse a long time ago. The filter was new and I had no reason to suspect it. When I found out what happened I never bought fram again. This video answers any questions I probably had back then. Thank you sir.
What’s more important than the filter you use is that you change your oil and filter @ 3-4k for conventional gas and 5-7 k for diesel and synthetic. I’ve seen so many vehicles come in to where I work with the change oil indicator on. Those indicators are way past when you should change it for long engine life
I work at NAPA also. Wix and NAPA filters are identical when you get to the gold. Top quality all the way. Fram are just relying on their name since the quality has been lousy for at least 2 decades.
@imposter 0shadow The best Napa filter is the one that has the neoprene check valve ,that you can see when you look at it at the bottom!!! Because it doesn't get hard and lose it sealing propertys!!! Most other filters have black check valves WHICH get hard and leak back all the oil in the filter!!! So every time you let your car set for awhile you get a dry start witch is not good!!! Sir, just read the comments and you have people that have used Fram FILTERS for year!!! Have vehicles that have 3 - 4 - 5 hundreds of thousands of miles using FRAM FILTERS!!! First of all!!! Everything I said is TRUE!!! AND ""TWO"'" as you say!!! All of those FILTERS that you cut open are BYPASS FILTER!!! AND ANY OUT THERE IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH WHEATER THE FILTERS ARE BYPASS FILTERS JUST ASK AROUND AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE BYPASS FILTERS!!! THE REASON THAT THEY ARE BYPASS FILTERS!!! IS BECAUSE IF THEY WEREN'T AND THE FILTER PLUGGED UP THE OIL WOULD STOP GETTING TO THE ENGINE!!! AND YOUR ENGINE WOULD COME TO AN ABROUT STOP!!! IT WOULD FREEZE UP FROM THE LACK OF OIL!!!. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE BYPASS FILTERS!!! AND I ALSO WAS MASTER MECHANIC! FOR FORTY YEARS MORE OR LESS!!! MATTER OF FACT I AM ABOUT TO UPLOAD A VIDEO THAT TELLS PEOPLE THAT FOR ABOUT ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS THEY CAN BUY THE PARTS THAT I TELL THEM TO BUY!!! AND THEY CAN INSTALL THE PARTS THEMSELVES IN LESS THAN TWENTY FIVE MINUTES OR LESS!!! NO TOOLS REQUIRED!!! AND THE CARS OR TRUCKS LAST FOR MILLIONS OF MILES!!! RUN LIKE NEW!! NEVER HAVE TO CHANGE OIL OR OIL FILTER!!! LIKE SAID THE ALL OF THOSE FILTERS ARE JUNK!!! AND THAT'S WHY TENS OF MILLIONS OF CARS ENGINES AND TRANSMISSIONS WEAR OUT EVERY YEAR!!! LARRY
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Nothing wrong with Frams quality. They are a reputable brand. My dad used them for years. Been using them for years with no failures. Can't go wrong with a Fram.
the orange cans are garbage, the higher end ones are ok i would never put one of those orange can frams on any car, especially in modern times with turbo engines, the glue will fail because of heat and the filter ends up getting shot through the oil pump and passages.bye bye engine.
@@Calbenmike ford senoir master tech, whne you replacing engines because of those orange cans failing then you can make snide remarks. otherwise keep talking with that foot in mouth.
I could not agree more! Years ago I worked at a dealership and a vehicle came in with no oil pressure. MANY Techs were stumped on the issue. Engine was torn down..... Turns out, the Fram oil filter completely broke down and clogged up. Will never forget it
I drove two Dodge minivans to near 300k on Fram filters without ANY engine issues. I now have a Malibu that’s just past 200k, no issues and still running fine. My oil change schedule is roughly 3500-4000m. This doesn’t include other cars in the immediate family with similar results.
Fram filters are all JUNK no matter which one you buy. Fram spends millions of dollars in advertising instead of making a decent filter, however most people have no idea how bad they are made. Beware of Fram filters, engines are very expensive, Filters are not. Buy the Best Filter for your vehicle it's worth it.
@@robertagster7164 Why? Because they are made with junk material both the element and the internal metal parts. Check out the many UA-cam videos of these filters dissected. Pure Junk personified.
Joseph M that’s simply not true. Fram Ultra filters are quality filters, and use a synthetic blend filter media. Check out Bobistheoilguy if you want further proof.
I originally clicked because of the thumbnail assuming it was clickbait... man was I wrong. Short, but completely informative and to the point with the nitty gritty with no fluff. I am appalled by the fram. I will definitely be watching your videos!
Stopped using Fram filters about 5 years after I went away from Pennzoil in the late 60s. A friend had a Fram explode on a 396/375 in a 67 Chevelle! I just stay away from both of them any more. Last Frams I used were for some 'rinse quick' oil change flushes on some rebuild candidate engines. They were cheap. I am and have been for years a Napa Gold user, Wix when no Napa stores are in the vicinity. Stick with Valvoline and Mobile1 for most of my gas engines. Great video, I am now subscribed. 68 yr old retired electronics geek / welder / mechanic. Michael in Colorado.
Yes Sir on the Valvoline. I worked at a Refinery on the Lube Oil side. We had several name brand oil contracts. Valvoline was one of them. Their specs were way off the charts as was the price of the additives to achieve those specs. Valvoline forever here.
15yrs ago i used FRAM filters all the time. I got me an 88 Mustang Gt and over about a years time i noticed whenever i started my car it would tick and sometimes clank for about 3 or 4 seconds on a cold start... No matter if it was winter or summer. At first at payed it no mind thinking i needed an oil change but it continued through 2 or 3 changes. To prevent the dry starts I use to crank the engine slightly where the started would turn the motor but not start it. I use to do that a 2 times and that eliminated the dry start. I told my friend who was more into cars at the time than i was and he asked me what filter i used. I told him FRAM and he told me that was my problem. I stopped using FRAM and never had another problem. I use STP now and i bet they arent the best of quality but i never had a problem in 15yrs.
My first real job was working at a NAPA store. We had a display showing the Fram and NAPA filters side-by-side. It was shocking. People would ask for an oil filter and I'd bring them a NAPA. They would say, don't you have anything good, like a Fram? I'd show them the cutaway display, and they would have pretty much the same shocked expression. Some actually accused us of switching out the Fram for some kind of dollar store brand, and I would offer the following: Go down to Kragen/Chief/AZone, buy a Fram, and bring it back here. We'll go into the machine shop and cut it open, along with a NAPA filter. It's exactly what you showed here. Be aware that NAPA (and WIX) do make cheaper oil filters, but they're still nowhere the garbage that Fram is.
@Sidney Mantissa go to FilterKingz channel... specifically this video ua-cam.com/video/Y544o-mw2wc/v-deo.html He cuts open the entire Fram line, measures and weighs everything. He does this for a lot of different companies. So you can check other brands too.
Cool story bro, but can tell me the most important information like how well it filters and show me the evidence. Let me guess no? Marketing hype show people a cutaway and point out how pretty the non fram is. Leave out that fram is an ome manufacturer tho. After all the oil filters job is to look pretty inside
@@twatflaps Yes, the evidence is documented of the filtration rate of different filters and their ability. WIX and NAPA GOLD are the top tier. WIX XP and NAPA PLATINUM are for assholes that think they know more than everyone else. Granted, they are marginally better, but if you change your oil and filter at proper intervals you cannot do better than a premium oil and a proven filter.
@@RobertSmith-le8wp They are exactly the same filter. WIX makes both. If you change your oil and filter at proper intervals, WIX and NAPA GOLD are still at the premium end of the spectrum.
This is what I thought too and was about to check out until he opened one and found rust in it, and then a couple more with the same thing. I just changed the oil in my wife's car last week and used a Fram filter like I have my whole life, and I'm pretty furious that I need to change it again now and that I was suckered. Would be interested to see a legit test though; of those other 4 rust-free filters, it's probably hard to judge their effectiveness by a visual inspection.
@@countryside_hobbies the forums on bobistheoilguy. Com used to keep a yearly updated spread sheet of lab tested filtration capability of the most common filters on the market (wix, puralator, fram, k&n, bosch, ect). Fram didn't disappoint and forget to skimp on filter media. It was pretty rough.
Bought a Fram filter for the first time im 30 years last week as it was the only brand in stock at my local parts store. Got about 200 miles on my last oil change but that filter is coming off my small block Chevy tomorrow! Going to find me a NAPA or Wix instead. But, going to buy two. Drive the first for 200 miles to get rid of the Fram "Cooties" then change to a fresh one. Great investigation! Your demonstration is certainly compelling!
@@GodOfWar109 Not really Motorcraft are made by Purolator which have a problem with the filter media tearing. I seen photos of the media torn on the FL-820 a few times. People refer them as Tearolator filters because of this.
Delco and Motorcraft do not MAKE oil filters, they BUY their filters from various large scale filter foundries ..... probably/mostly Purolator, a 'decent' manufacturer.
The grip is cute and all but oil filters don't require that much torque to be sealed. Just be sure to oil the o-ring hand tighten. Start car check for leaks. Filter wrench is handy if you really need some extra reach or torque... don't try it on the fram though, it'll punch a hole in it.
Hello: I've been a commercial parts manager for several decades and I wanted to share some thoughts on this video. Wix makes Napa's filters. They share the same last 4 part numbers. Wix uses 5 digit numbers for the most part. Part numbers that start with 3 are fuel filter. 4 is air filter and 5 oil filters. Onto Fram filters. Many moons ago Fram was part of Allied Signal. Now they're owned by Honeywell if memory serves me correct. Anything Honeywell is questionable in my book. Good video. I wished you would have used the same equivalent part number from each filter manufacturer.
@Laquasha Green Oh come on, don't be a dufus. If you watched the video you know the truth, but if you don't believe him and the results he's shows, do it yourself and see if he is right. Be sure to record it and post it for us all to see. Plus, you think he would say something like that in public, where if it wasn't true Fram would sue the daylights out of him. It's obvious to me they won't because he's right and they don't want it made more public than it is.
@@seanturpin01 Someone's name has nothing to do with whether or not they are intelligent or not. Your comment is racist and bigoted. You need to examine your own thoughts and see what you are doing wrong. (for example) Oh by the way, YOUR name looks like one of those stupid Irish guys who're all down at the bar getting drunk every night. (end of example, for the record and this is to everyone, I'm about half Irish myself so don't bother telling me I don't know anything about being Irish.)
I have worked in automotive service for 20+ years and I have been to several training classes and the instructor cut filters apart and fram was by far the worst filter and wix and Napa gold was the absolute best since I saw the filter cut comparison in 1987 I have never again would use a fram filter and I have had several customers that would insist that I use a fram filter I would refuse and recommend a Napa gold or wix and I would tell my customer that I cannot warranty the work if I used the fram I had people tell me that they really like that rough easy grip on the fram filter and I would tell them that it’s not worth the risk for a grip how could anyone risk using a poorly made part on their 50k vehicle
I have seen that video and it is complete Balderdash and frankly I feel sorry for you if you're so gullible you believe it. any yay who can do a UA-cam video that's hardly scientific or empirical proof. believe me if there was anything wrong with Fram filters there would be a plethora of lawsuits and there would be massive publicity. there have been NO lawsuits there have been NO recalls there is absolutely nothing wrong with Fram filters I have used them for more than 20 years and so have millions of other people . Matter of fact, there are advantages from an engineering standpoint to their design . they use a fiber end cap inside which is easier to glue and it is less likely to come apart in operation than a metal endcap We belong to the SAE the Society of Automotive engineers and I can assure you the Fram filters meet all applicable standards once again there is absolutely nothing wrong with any Fram filter. By the way there is only two factories in the United States that even manufacture oil filters and so they're all basically made in the same Factory just to different specifications You are not doing anybody a favor by spreading false rumors and nonsense videos you should delete your post thank you! 🙂
I use to work at Fram as a line technician back in the '70s when they manufactured out of East Providence, RI. Back then they were the very best at producing all kinds of filters.
I had a 96 ford contour I bought in 99. The only oil filter I could find in that size was the orange can of death. Never had a problem with any fram filter I ever used. I traded the contour for a 2022 nisssn I bought new. St9ll using orange can of death.
A number of other UA-cam people have done this exact same test, and every one of them has had exactly the same conclusion. This clearly isn't some sort of one-time accident.
My revelation moment was at work , I started inspecting filters on changes and was amazed at how well made industrial filters are made. Natural progression was to start inspecting my automotive cartridges and wow, nothing turns you off a Fram like looking at how it is made and comparing it to anything. Cardboard glue, and a sort of spring!
In many cities, Fram is sold everywhere and they pay to be able to have only their crap sold in the best location in the stores. We have to go to a car part dealer to be able to buy something else than Fram.
Oil filters are not forever use products. Fram sells 3 grades of oil filters. Mr. Bollinger compared fram's cheapest filters to higher cost filters of other brands, not a fair comparison in my opinion.
@@SandBoxJohn yes I agree, he should of compared with the Fram ToughGuard at least. Everyone know that the cheapest Fram Extra Guard is lame, no need to make another video about it. BUT nobody test the ToughGuard or the Ultra Synthetic.
My mother worked at Fram, making oil filters. She told me to never buy a Fram oil filter. Now, having said that, My son in-law put a Wix oil filter on his Scion XB. Three months later it started spraying oil out while my daughter was on her way home from work. We put it up on my lift and the entire filter looked as though it had been under saltwater for two years. The parts store replaced it and gave him a 5 quart jug of synthetic oil. They said they would send the filter to corporate along with all documentation.
Oh my GOSH!! I was SO perplexed why my car broke down. I owned a 1973 G.T.O with a 6.6 liter or 400 C.I.D engine. Back in the day, I changed my oil every 3,000 miles or every month. FRAM was my favorite oil filter because I trusted this filter as many other gear heads did. One morning on my way to work as I took the exit ramp to the traffic light 🚦 I stopped and clearly heard a knock as the engine idled. When I returned home that evening I pulled the oil pan to find that I had spun a rod bearing. New standard size bearings with plasticgauge test, re install and torqued to specks. Thank you. Now I know what filter to reinstall every time.
Thanks did a paper in college on the Wix company years ago. Wix is a great company did you ever cut apart a FRAM ULTRA SYNTHETIC filter and see if the guts are any better, it's more in comp with pricing to the Napa and Wix filters?
Dennis if you need that black grip for tightening, it's TOO tight or you need more Wheaties and spinach !! Doubt if it's powdercoat Jacksmiles 47--too pricey--probably that shit advertised on TV by that obnoxious goof in the boat
You are right...it is about what is inside...BUT...does any filter actually filter "BETTER" than another? ...The proof is in the use...too many FRAM oil filters out there working and doing the job they were designed to do...filter oil...no better...no worse.
This video explains whyv my last 3 cars had engine problems with Fram filters. Ill never use Fram again, I fell for their marketing pitch for the last 20 years.
Thanks for the review. Surprised to find that Fram is so bad, but I don't use their bottom-of-the-line filters. A few "tips" about shooting video (I used to work in the industry): 1) Don't move things around when you show them to the camera. HOLD STILL so people can see what you're talking about. 2) Get a shot of your subject that's tight enough. That will be easy for your camera op if you HOLD STILL (see above). 3) When showing text on the screen, leave it up long enough for people to read it. "Zip-zap" text is annoying. Also the text should not compete with the audio for attention. Pause the video while text is up so a viewer can read it without trying to follow the video action at the same time. Conflicting info is LOST info. 4) Compare prices. The Napa Gold filters might be the best of your assortment, but what about the price? I see you reviewed the cheapest of Fram's line. What about their X2 or Extended Life filters? Comparing quality is largely meaningless without comparing prices. Other than that, good job.
Wow lie much !! or are you just that stupid? Thats not rust and you know it. thats Discoloration where they use heat to cure the cardboard to the filter. there is NO rust in the canister !! yes it is a cheaper filter, but its susposed to be. its only good for 5,000 miles and is dirt cheap for walmart to sell. if you want a good filter test a fram ultra filter rated for 15,000 miles. cut one open to see , makes your napa filter look like a pice of shit. i am a mechanic & i know what im talking about. you are lying to these people and should be ashamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Change your coolant every two years not 5 or even 50,000 or 100,000 miles. Every 24 months. Change your Transmission fluid every 40000 miles. Never flush drop pan replace filter. Your car will last a long time. REPLACE YOUR FUEL FILTER EVERY 30000 MILES. DO NOT NEGLECT THIS.....
As a licensed mechanic I can tell you the only oil filter I have ever had issues with have been fram filters. I've seen them cross thread, filter medium disintegrate and plug oil pumps and paths, to filters were the oil completely by passed the filter material, as it was dry after a full oil change cycle. The air filters are also suspect at best.
@@jynxgoxoom More like a bunch of fun dummies that want to blame fram for something they have screwed up themselves. Funny thing is Fram offers the best filter removal tool of ANY filter... You don't need one. I'm sure that would throw your Wix into the $25 range for them to include that. Most engine failures are due to hot rodding 7000 RPM around town and running 15000 miles between oil changes. But no one is going to admit that... You see a guy running around bouncing off the rev limiter, then you hear his car with a rod knocking, then you talk to him. "Yeah It was that damn Fram oil filter... They found bits of cardboard throughout the engine"... Nah what they found was shrapnel from the bearings he desentagrated...
@Scott Page USMC I had a vacuum leak on my 2.5L 92 S10. Took the intake loose and replaced the metal intake gasket. I just put all my bolts in a container and really didn't look at them closely. One of the bolts is 3mm shorter. If you don't use that shorter bolt in the bottom rear hole of the intake, the bolt will touch the pushrod for the lifter/rocker arm. Well you know what this dummy did right... Point being most people doing their own work do not pay close enough attention, just like myself, then try to put the blame off on something else. Even though I do think it was an idiot move by GM to use 1 shorter bolt, so I guess me and GM will have a fingerpointing standoff...
You just gave me the proof. I had an old truck that had a fram filter and had an oil light on, but had plenty of oil, it was the fram filter that failed... I've never used one ever again. but now, I know which one is the best! thanks so much...
Wow lie much !! or are you just that stupid? Thats not rust and you know it. thats Discoloration where they use heat to cure the cardboard to the filter. there is NO rust in the canister !! yes it is a cheaper filter, but its susposed to be. its only good for 5,000 miles and is dirt cheap for walmart to sell. if you want a good filter test a fram ultra filter rated for 15,000 miles. cut one open to see , makes your napa filter look like a pice of shit. i am a mechanic & i know what im talking about. you are lying to these people and should be ashamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ChrisRiley3D-Everything I see your point, but what about everyone else here who are also saying that Fram is crap? There seems to be a consensus among everyone here that Fram filters should be avoided.
Wow....Ive used fram filters on my chevelle since i was 14....I wonder if that a partial reason why im saving for a 3rd motor now. NEVER again! Thank you so much for this video
because the fram toughguard was the cheapest with a cute color...and a great name L:-) . Many garages have sold the fram toughguard because they get it by the thousand and they are cheap. Most people don't even know anything about oil filters
I can't tell which Fram filter was used in this test but in another youtube test a gentlemen cut up about 15 filters. The higher end Fram filters actually looked like some of the best in his test as they contained a metal mesh around the paper or cloth filtering material so he rated those some of the best. The Fram filters he highly rated were both meant for use with Synthetic oils as I recall. I'm not a great fan of Fram however as I had a couple problems in the past with fram filters, just saying they all don't appear to be garbage like the one tested here.
@Terry Wolford Thank you for reminding me that Fram now offers different levels of quality and pricing, I suppose due to competitive marketing. I’m a retired Parts Specialist from a time when Fram only sold one quality of oil filter, which I recommended. Times have changed, as have qualities of many brands available on different merchandise in diverse areas now. I would now recommend OEM filters when available, as I’ll be buying in the future for my car although from parts stores of course. Driving GM, that keeps me with AC Delco filters but Duralast Gold car batteries from AZ. That’s just a personal preference from experience since we only have 3 battery manufacturing facilities in the USA. Apparently Fram, like most companies, has started cutting corners. I appreciate the people who made this comparison video and appreciate you saying their are others. GBU and yours the rest of this year and going into the next Happy New Year. :)
Years ago now I used to regularly cut open filters looking for contaminates. I found more than a few of those 'orange products' where the media had substantial glue voids, leaving very large holes and/or partially collapsed media. Some had really poor looking relief valves, not to mention the anti drain back check valve issues as in the video. IMHO, another reason to do frequent oil changes is that in the event a bum filter is encountered, it will have less time, and be less likely to wreck havoc. Other bad filters were those heavily marketed toilet paper gimmicks... oil would 'channel' through them; don't get me started. If you ever get a chance, for comparison could you chop open some new OEM filters... like maybe Honda, Toyota etc etc. You'll likely be pleasantly surprised! Cool videos, Thanks!
Any filter CAN fail....most manufactures have the game covered...make it a inexpensive as possible...without compromising the performance. FRAM does exactly that...as with some of the other brands.
FRAM don't like the truth. I got a lifetime facebook ban. They have also accused the guy in this video of slander on their fb page. Truth hurts I guess. Make a shit product and get a shit review.
Well even a bad filter will work if you have all the conditions right but for the average driver the oil change will be late and a whole list of other things and it just won't hold up
@@rileycannon6789 LOL, blaming the oil filter for poor maintenance practices of the operator. How far over the prescribed OCI does the average driver go? Many average people still prescribe to the 3,000 mile OCI, which has mostly been dead for decades.
@@mscffp unfortunately many people don't even know about that old standard. A lot of people are pretty clueless about cars. So companies putting out crappy oil filters hurts a lot of cars in general. I know to change my oil regularly but I have changed oil for loads of people who didn't know how often to get it done. Should they, sure, but they don't so we work with what we got. And putting subpar filters on the market isn't doing anyone any favors .
The dealer I bought my Audi from installed a Fram filter. Didn't think much of it until a week later left me stranded on the highway with a low oil pressure light. After towing it home and and dropping the pan figured out there were no obstructions, just not enough flow from the filter. I will use OEM filters from now on
And for years I have been using the Purolator filters because of the oil change specials from my local chain parts store. Always thought I was getting a low quality filter because of the package deal. Now that I know better, I might push my change interval to 4k.
Richard Raucina it is obvious from the internal contents that Fram is a cheap product compared to the others. I’ve used them in the past and never had an issue although.....
What is funny is everyone thinks that. What is funny is no one ever has any issues. Some people have been using FRAM filters for over 30 years with no issues.
Just think, you're on I-70 heading west in Kansas in 95+ degree heat. You start thinking about the crappy $3.00 FRAM oil filter you're quick change oil place stuck on your $50,000 car. Next exit, 92 miles.
In my many years working in the field and constantly checking oil on equipment, I never once saw a Fram filter on a commercial engine. (fuel, air, or oil) Most were Baldwin and Napa Gold/Wix. Baldwin being the most common on rental equipment. The difference in price between a good filter and bad one is usually less than a coffee drink at Starbucks.
My dad literally just bought a Fram filter and Shell Rotella T synthetic blend 15w-40 for my BRAND new Nissan Titan. Nope it’s going in the trash and I’m stopping at OReilly in the morning and getting a Wix.
Why don't you get a a K&N filter? It's way better than any of these and has a 1 inch nut on the dome so you can just put a 1 inch socket on a breaker bar or ratchet and take it off real easy without dealing with those ridiculously hard to fit strap wrenches when the damn things get seized on there real good. I've used nothing but K&N in my trucks and I've had a 94 Chevy 1500 that had 370k miles on it when it got stolen. Currently have a 2500HD with 350k miles on it. 6.0 gasser runs like it's brand new. Had a Honda Ridgeline that I beat the hell out of because it was free(long story got it with 10,000 miles on it.) sold it to a friend for cheap, and he's still driving it with 300k+ miles on it. They're just that good. Oil quality makes a difference too. I've had all these engines last nearly forever using valvoline. The older trucks all used valvoline Maxlife and my 2016 Silverado that I drove off the dealer lot with 12 miles on the odometer is using valvoline full synthetic+ K&N oil filter, and with the tight tolerances of engines these days, I wouldn't be surprised to get half a million miles out of her. Valvoline is so confident in their products that you can register as long as you're still below 125k miles, log your oil changes on their website, proving regular oil changes and if the engine dies before 300k with the full synthetic, they'll pay for a new engine. The synthetic blend gives you a 250k guarantee. What other oil company does that? I've convinced many friends to switch valvoline and a K&N filter over the years and every single one has thanked me when they end up with an old ass vehicle, body might even be 50 percent rust. But the engine purrs like a kitten. Smooth as silk. Like butter. Like whipped cream running downhill in Texas in July. Smooth.
And wait? 15W-40 shell Rotella for a Nissan titan? Even if it's the diesel titan thats wayyyyyy too thick an oil. If it's the gas(petrol) engine one its WAY WAYYYYYY too thick. Thats like, semi oil. Tractor trailer oil. Stuff you'd put in a kenworth, Peterbilt. Like, the big big trucks. Don't put any of that stuff into that truck, go look in the owners manual, and it'll tell you exactly what weight of oil and how much to use. Unless you're driving a big rig, there's no need for 15W-40 Rotella Deisel lube oil. Good lord..lol
I've seen a Honda oil filter cut in half and the quality was outstanding. But, I'd never seen the inside of a NAPA Gold/WIX. Great information. Thank you, sir.
@@JohnnyUtah9173 No kidding? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It was a long time ago when I saw the inside of the Honda filter. I was working at a Honda dealer in the parts department. Thanks for the updated information.
@@karlhungus5554 yes. I’ve always used oem filters religiously, until I saw a video on the Honda filters a few years back. I guess years ago they were good when they were made by filltech (spelling?), but once they switched to Honeywell, who makes Fram, they are now orange can Fram clones.
The PureOne line of filters are actually very good too. Heavy base, well made, lots of material and a silicone drain-back, absolutely the best kind to keep oil from emptying itself back out of the filter.. Also, Champion filters are Bosch.
@@RRaucina I once had a 1992 Volkswagen Golf III GTI - finest car we owned. Barely made any trouble, ran on its original engine and tranny for 407'000km ( 253'000 miles ). I'm pretty sure she could have run a great deal more, but we had to give it away in 2009 as our "beloved" government taxed €500,- per annum inorder to force the population to replace their old cars with newer cleaner models. And now, what do we have? DIESELGATE AFFAIR AT ITS BEST ! ! !
@@Bandicoot803 Yes, the older VW's were very good here also, especially some diesels are still running after 500,000 miles with good maintenance. Here, even in California, older cars from the 90's and early 2000's are great bargains, maybe $1,000 at auction in very good condition. They must only pass a simple smog test based on that years standards. Some commercial diesels are being forced to retire, however. We are in a small, remote county and so the air quality is good. Each county has a different standard for inspections. We only have one at purchase. For diesels, there is no test for used ones at all! You can drive it for 50 years afterward with no further government interference.
Thanks for sharing this video with every one of your subscribers - I have bought Fram oil filters for years but having to watch your video I am turned off from buying a Fram oil filter ever again - once again thank you .
Of course I dont have to watch this video. But how else can one pass any comment on a deeply flawed video. You really have to compare like with like. The fram filter described here is the cheapest they make and it is ok up to 5000 miles just as it is specified to. But fram do a range of filters right up to one that is designed to last for 20,000 miles. That model would compare well with the other premium filters shown here. Have I had any problem with fram filters? No.
after watching this video and been a fram user for 35 years. I did the same test with a fram vs. a wix and just like you see it on this video, the fram oil filter is very very poor filter ..... so good bye fram, hello Wix filter
@cadzillals6 Sure, until it's so degraded it's letting unfiltered oil through. do the same test after it's been on an engine for 3000 miles and then I'll judge results.
I recall as early as 1993, Cummins put out a bulletin saying dont use fram because the oil pressure blows the media apart plugging the piston oil squirters. I only run Fleetguard, Wix, Mobil or Mopar filters.
At first I was skeptical about the fram hate - hey, nothing wrong with cost optimization if it still results in a working product. But the rust and flaking cardboard... nope nope nope.
Spag The Maker I would like to see where he bought the Fram filters from. Rust needs a moisture source and sitting on the shelf with high humidity will rust almost any filter that is not sealed. That why I only buy filters that are sealed by a wrapper.
@@Fix-it-tony Where do you get Fram filters or any brand that are sealed in a wrapper? I've only seen them in cardboard boxes and this includes everything from store brand to fancy brand. Maybe where you're from is high humidity so they package them different?
When I first started driving all I bought was fram because I loved the coarse material on the end. Made it easier to take them off by hand. Made the move to wix when I knew better.
Nice video. I just retired as a mechanic at our local school board here in south Florida. For some horrible reason, the school board has/had decided to ONLY use FRAM filters. On at least 4 different jobs, I found that the FRAM filter had become de laminated from the metal body. Therefore they filtered nothing. These were all discovered by accident. And I'm sure that the failure rate must be much, much higher. FRAM filters are pure garbage at best....And at worst, actually harmful.
That's why I font use fram filters. They are crap. Could you pull apart a motorcfaft ,k&n and a Mopar filter? That I will like to see i use motorcrat or k&n on my truck.
@@fubarmodelyard1392 Well, up to the 2002 model year, they were using WIX to make their filters; but to Ma MOPAR's specs. The best ones were naturally from the mid 60' to the mid 70's but were still the best you could get before 1984 (last year for carbs). Actually, up til 1999 FRAM was one of the best filters you could get, but their acquisition by Honeywell was their downfall. Honeywell's bean-counters are strictly devoted the the "Scrooge" school of thought: Company profits above all else. Employees are expendable. Much like the Union Pacific R.R. ideology is still today.
@@bakedpagan4674. Actually, the K&N, Purolator and Mobil-1 are perhaps some of the best to be had. I suppose NAPA Gold and WIX are up there also! I cannot properly say since I've never tried NAPA Filters and they are not commonly available in Canada...unless you go to a NAPA Parts Store.
Same here ! I used FRAM for 40 year in Honda, Toyota and Lexus cars. Never had any issues like burning oil or engine failure. Changed at 3-4,000 miles. I use Fram in my 2001 Lexus LS430 too. I drove that car 4+ hrs straight on highway last weekend, does not burn oil. To be safe, I will upgrade filters
I would take this comparison with a grain of salt. Oil filters are designed to filter oil. This guy twisting and poking at them gives us zero information about how well these filters perform their intended task. I’d be willing to bet that all of them are perfectly adequate for standard on road use.
@@nogoodnamesinleft I sure wouldn't recommend a filter that consists of nothing more than a cheap coke canister containing a bunch of tea filter paper and cardboard glued together!
Thanks for the video, my father turned me onto wix and I have been a fan ever since. Was told by Napa about the NG filter but I did not believe the sales 👦. But I see now.
I had a 96 ford contour 2000cc 4 cylinder. The only filter I could ever find was the orange can of death. I never had any trouble. Traded it in on a new 2011 nissan sentra.
I quality higher priced filter will protect any engine better than a cheap junk one. If your driving a ghetto cruiser you don't need to worry about changing anything.
To do a proper test you need to test filtration performance, i.e. what is filtration level in microns. Somtimes this is published but not often. What about flow performance at given pressure..?
Great video but it would have been great if you included a K&N filter. They seem to be of very high quality but I'd love to see one actually ripped apart.
In my experience, i try to stay away from K&N oil filters. Their air filters are great, but the last time i put a K&N filter in my car, it collapsed on itself a bit (even with the reinforcement tube inside).
@@ST6Dude360 Might of been a bad batch you got. I've had the same issue myself but went back to grab another K&N oil filter and never happened again. Note I went back to OEM Subaru filters because it's cheaper and they are great filters, K&N is a bit in the pricey side.
Doesn't matter, the gold level has different filter media in it and sometimes a puck of oil additive but otherwise, all the usual flaws remain. I used to buy Fram HP1 (instead of PH8) at 3 times the price - until I went to work for Fram.
My old friend Jimmy who was a tank mechanic in the Army decades ago and a great car mechanic told me that Fram filters were garbage. He told me this 15 yrs ago and I kinda thought to myself that they are all the same and maybe he was wrong. He's looking down now and I can hear him sayn "told ya so". Sorry for not taking that advice a long time ago. RIP buddy
Wow lie much !! or are you just that stupid? Thats not rust and you know it. thats Discoloration where they use heat to cure the cardboard to the filter. there is NO rust in the canister !! yes it is a cheaper filter, but its susposed to be. its only good for 5,000 miles and is dirt cheap for walmart to sell. if you want a good filter test a fram ultra filter rated for 15,000 miles. cut one open to see , makes your napa filter look like a pice of shit. i am a mechanic & i know what im talking about. you are lying to these people and should be ashamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@franko becouse they dont use cardboard end caps glued to the inner perferated filter. they use a thin tin plate. they glue the end caps on and cure them very quick with heat. and heat on cardboard discollors it brown. heat on tin has no discolloration. a standard Fram filter was desined to be a cheap filter for walmart. all though its a cheap made filter, it works just fine for standard 5,000 mile oil changes. have a great day Franko.
LMAO. It’s probably made in China, where most of what they make is crap. Don’t buy anything made in China, if you can avoid it. What a horribly run country.
@Temporary Account Uhhhhh no it didn't. Economies are measured and ranked by GDP. The US GDP is around 60% greater than China. And that's not even weighted. If you look at weighted, like GDP per capita, the lead is even greater at about 700%. Better get over that "making up BS 'facts' crap" because you are laughably ignorant.
@Temporary Account "Now who is the ignorant one?" You. That article from 6 years ago has the China GDP at ~10 Trillion while the US GDP was around 17 Trillion. Did you even read it? The last sentence says this: "However in terms of a real GDP the United States remains the undisputed world leader with $16.8 trillion output, significantly outpacing China with $10.4 trillion." The figure you are quoting is PPP, or purchasing power parity NOT GDP. You got click-baited. Basically, because China is such a cheap, terrible place, the money goes farther there. Well, have you ever heard the saying "you get what you pay for"? Your argument is akin to saying that a guy in a hut in India with a few extra saved up rupees is more "economically powerful" than the Wall street exec making millions but living paycheck to paycheck. Obviously this is moronic. The one argument you COULD make would be that China is on pace to overtake the US economy, in almost a decade, maybe. THAT would be a reasonably intelligent and correct thing to say. To say that China is the "world's leading economic power" is blatantly false and is a statement that only an ignoramus who misread and misinterpreted a sensationalized headline would say.
I learned this long ago and always use Wix in my vehicles. I've been a mechanic for over 40 years. Fram only sells as many as they do because of all of their advertising. I have had to educate friends and family about this same exact thing. Awesome presentation.
As a past Buick Motor Division mechanic, I always stayed away from Fram filters and Quaker State oil. Great video, thank you. I'm a Amsoil and Wix dealer.
The Napa Gold filter IS a Wix filter. Wix makes the filters for Napa Auto Parts.
Exactly. People really need to be careful when believing what they see on the internet. Check the persons credential and the science. Royal Purple, Mobil1 and Amsoil all dont make their own filters even, just like most of the OEM's are not making their filters either. Filtration quality a very misunderstood and there is a ton of mis-info out there.
Wix made filters for Jiffy Lube too, though I don't know if they still do or what their quality was/is.
Glad he said this in the video! I didn’t even know that! Think I’m switching to WIX now after this lol
Beat me to it. Worked for NAPA for over a Decade. WIX made both the Silver and Gold Filters. And the Silver was better than most other brand name filters. Gold was just that, the top of the heap. Still the only brand I will use.
@@adotintheshark4848 Those are commercial grade filters. Basically they meet the minimum basic requirements. Not that it matters. They are just going to forget to put in on, screw it down tight. And that doesn't matter if they don't tighten, or remember to put the drain plug back in.
I used to be an aircraft mechanic, and we cut open filters, inspect and send samples for testing every oil change. So I started cutting open filters on my vehicles, had a Ford pickup at the time. 2 of the 3 Motocraft filters I used had the filter media fall apart, and not only stopped filtering, but introduced contamination. The Fram filters were always good, but didn't look like that. Wix was the better quality. Cutting them open with an angle grinder would contaminate the filter, as far as inspection for metal. We used a tool similar to a pipe cutter. Also, test the filters after 3000 miles use if you want a real test.
Good comment
Thank you for this buddy. I had a Toyota Prado diesel engine (recently rebuilt) lose its big end from oil starvation. It was running a Blueprint filter at the time, & I had a feeling that that caused the failure - lost internal structure & likely sent something down to block an oil channel. Genuine Toyota filters only for me, from then!
@Arif L Toyota filters are going to be made by either Denso or Purolator. The ones manufactured by Purolator are identical, internally, to the Motorcrafts they also make. The ones made by Denso are generally poor to average quality. If your Toyota filter is made anywhere in Asia, it's a Denso, and if it's made in North America, it's a Purolator.
I stopped buying the Toyota/Denso filter for my Land Cruiser and switched to the Motorcraft (which is basically what the old Toyota filter was, before they got Denso to take over production of that style.) With the Denso I was getting a startup rattle from the valvetrain, which disappeared with the Motorcraft.
@@guyvanbrussel9772 I've used fram for fifty years, and don't expect to ever use them again. I will cut my own apart to final decide, but I do expect this video to be true, and will return if I find it questionable. The majority response to this video suggests it's accuracy.
@@guyvanbrussel9772Brussel, this guy is just "upselling" by instilling fear in his customers.
I actually had an airplane mechanic cut open one of my car's Fram filters that had about 9,000 miles on it.
It was just fine. No unexpected particulates, it was holding together just fine. Not leaking. The pressure relief valve was working fine.
Fram started in New England back in the thirties and was a very high quality product but now after a few corporate buyouts and mergers is riding on its name. What usually happens in all these corporate transactions is the buyers want to maximize their profits after spending money on the takeover. The easiest and most common way is to reduce the quality of the product and to reduce the number of employees with the remaining employees forced to increase their workload without any commensurate increase in pay. Been through it three times. It sucks.
gwynn romano
And that's how the rich get richer.
Great job!
Isn't capitalism great?
i call that improving themselves OUT OF BUSINESS .
gwynn romano- you hit the nail on the head. Fram used to be the best. You gave an accurate explanation on how Fram filter quality has become so shitty. And it is appreciated you brought forth this info......thanks!
But that doesn't mean they don't STILL make a quality oil filter...It ain't rocket science!
Purolater BOSS kicks all their butts!.. I noticed you didn't have one to cut open..I'm a ASE Auto Tech. for 35 years at our family auto shop
Wow i thought Fram was a reputable brand.......
Won't touch one with a 10ft pole taped to another 10ft pole now after seeing this.
In other words, I wouldn't touch a Fram filter with your car!
You mean you wouldn't touch the *cheapest* Fram oil filter. So many people get so damn confused on such a simple subject. The plain orange ones are the garbage filters which no one in their right mind would put on even their clunker car, the rest of Fram's oil filters range from decent to very good quality.
Actually they don't, fram is the worst oil filter you could possibly get, as an auto mechanic and former oriellys employee please don't ever put a fram filter on your car
Dam. Fram needs to change their name to Scam oil Filters.
Fram Ultras are alright. You just have to pay more than $4.
For what it's worth, long before I knew this about Fram filters , I bought many ,many Fram filters over the years . I put hundreds of thousands of miles on them going to work and back for 30 years, never 1 oil related issue .
Exactly. Show me the evidence that they are no good. Based on the video there should be dead engines everywhere to prove they are no good but where are they. Cheap people that don’t do regular oil changes have destroyed far more engines. And those I’ve seen plenty of.
I used fram for years on many engines. Never had an oil related failure. I also changed religiously and flushed once a year with cheap oil and seafoam.
@@donziperk Yeah, you would think there would be particles of cardboard floating around in your oil pan, and clogging oil passages, causing engine failures. Now the little bit of rust? That won't do anything at all. Those filters were probably stored in a humid environment for a period of time.
Used FRAM HP1 many years haven't any issues . If it did , lawsuits would happen.
this is the users only comment afaik, its a FRAM astroturf account doing damage control.
I work at napa and the NAPA brand fliters are just wix filters with the napa logo on it.
How would you compare gold vs standard?
@Scotty Scotty I put on a Napa platinum oil filter, but I use conventional oil?
Austin, which is cheaper, Wix or NAPA Gold?
@@ljprep6250 wix
@@MicroSoftner the platinum has a synthetic media designed to go the extra miles with synthetic oil, so you're just wasting money on the filter. As far as the rest of the video goes, no surprise there. On a side note, wix was bought out by mann-hummell, a German based company.. but I've noticed no change in the quality on the Napa side of the supply.
We had a saying in the shop, FRAM stands for Fricking Ruins All Motors
Amen to that brother
How many?
Been using fram tough guard filters for years. Haven't had a problem. As long as you change your oil and filter every 3 thousand miles you shouldn't have a problem. 2 jeeps with over 300,000 miles on both engines still runningM
Yeah and the oil will take care of the rust, and whats cardboard pieces going to even do to metal parts. Who even needs filters?
Sounds like you've been pretty lucky.
Lol do you guys believe in life time trans fluid too 😂I wouldn’t ever use the cheap frams the other ones are ok but still shit wix or KandN all the way
@@masonbarto4003 fram filter no, lifetime trans fluid yes. Had a couple used cars trans was never touched, never had an issue.
Yeah probably cause the put saw dust in them for ya
Fram use to be owned by Bendix then got bought by Allied Signal, I use to work in the factory in Stratford Ont. Canada in the early 80's. These filters were build with high attention to detail , top quality parts and were consider the best in the industry in the 80's. That's how they built their reputation. They were tested constantly and performed better than any of the competitors. On the production line they ran Fram, AC, Motorcraft, Honda & Toyota to name a few. Fram got bought by Honeywell in the 90's and now it is owned by Rank Group. The factories in Canada are gone and most in the states are gone moved to Asia just to make a buck and screw the North American consumer.
Hi Jim. Thank's for the great video. I've come across several video's over the years about fram being poor quality so i decided to cut one open myself and found exactly the same terrible quality that you show in this video. I can't believe they're still in business.
Timur Hafouz they have frampa, and all the low iq idiots buy into the ads😂😂😂
videos. videos. Thanks. Why would you put an apostrophe in Thanks? Why would you put one in videos to make it plural? Moron.
rubberhamburger calm your tits
@Ringo Garvin boy you have 6 subs lmaoooo. Share it to who??
@@Del_Monico Nothing says "I'm an adult with a legitimate point." like infantile insults...right?
Rust in the Fram is due to moisture getting in AFTER the filter was made. Fram did not add the moisture as a feature.!! Most likely poor storage or someone spilled water on it.
@glenn.d: agreed. Besides, based on oil flow, the rust particulates will be trapped by the filter.
Did someone get in there and remove all that filtering media and put in all that cardboard too?
I used Fram in my vehicles for my whole life. I greatly appreciate your honest assessment of the filters. Now I will NEVER use their product. Exceptional knowledge and PSA buddy. Keep em honest!
I had a Fram oil filter warp under the pressure of starting at subzero temps. Pumped half a quart of oil onto the ground in the parking lot. Didn't see it until the next day, lucky not to have blown the motor.
And did you ever have an enging go bad on you? I'm guessing "no", otherwise you would have said so.
@@JamesSmith-jx1sh Yes, that engine did indeed later succumb to a worn out top end. But blaming one incident for that seems like a stretch.
The only time I'll use a Fram oil filter is on my mother-in-law's car.😃
They are a reputable brand. Been using them for years with no failures. Can't go wrong with a Fram.
As with most of the commenters, I will not be buying Scam... I mean, Fram filters again. I always thought they were pretty reputable and liked the fact that they powder coated part of the case with texture for better grip. Guess they spent their budget on that grip and figured no one would look past the "lipstick on the pig". I appreciate you for taking the time to make this video. :)
If you like that textured grip, try out Purolator Gold filters.
You must be easily convinced that his video is REAL proof....( what did you think was in an oil filter anyway??)
maybe the cheddar cheese orange filter can looks so stylin but i smells fishy to me.
I have always insisted on Fram, because the grippy stuff on the outside was an obvious sign of quality. I'm a schmuck.
I stopped using Fram a while ago, and the grippy stuff is the only thing I miss.
@@andrewwalsh9849 just think gritty stuff floating around in filter
you don't need that grippy stuff in any case, it's a gimmick to lure the customer
@@mmdirtyworkz It definitely makes it less slippery in your hand. Maybe I have poor technique but I drop way more filters when I unscrew them now than when I was using the frams.
@@andrewwalsh9849 Maybe you are used to have grip there. I've never used such filters and haven't dropped one in oil yet. But I unscrew it slooooowly at the end :D
As a retired mechanic of over 25 years I always use the napa gold... sure the are a few bucks more but it's the best even better than oem dodge filter... Bosch is good but it's my 2nd choice
Thanks that was quite a surprise. I won't be using Fram anymore.
not the toughguard anyway... the more expensive ones are OK.
@@rejm1161 In your dreams ...any company capable of that crap filter cuts corners in everything they make Fram is DEAD to me I used their products for years not knowing how dangerous they were
How is this possibly a surprise? I was a kid in the 90s and even before the internet the word was going around in magazines and circles of how bad the Fram filters were, not only just bad, but damaging. 25 years later, they've changed nothing and people are still surprised?
Fram has been like this for many many years ten years later and it still the same.
FRAM's were still considered garbage filters back in the 1970's...they've always been cheap and poorly constructed.
I have used fram for years but after this reveal, no more.
Dont believe this bullshit, do a little research for yourself.
Travis D wtf do you mean do research? What further research needs to be done? The proof is in the pudding.
@@richieschmidt6225 research and compare equal filters NOT the cheapest fram to higher grade filters.
Travis D I mean so many people install the cheapest filters. What’s your point? If you’re going to spend extra money on a high end fram filter, why not just buy OE? Sure, the high end filters from fram are good, but they come at a price.
@@richieschmidt6225 my point is if you gonna compare filters compare equal grade filters period not some half ass bullshit like this, high grade to high or medium to medium don't push your preference or bias on brands. Hell anyone can make a video and say, hey I like brand X everything else sucks. The higher end fram filters are no more expensive than OE filters, plus the fliters used here are all around 10 to 15 bucks except the frame, it runs about 5.
I was wondering why Fram disappeared from auto parts stores. Now I know.
I went to Autoparts and shelf was empty where Fram was, they said they were all recalled. Total crap.
I sold them from 76 -2005 no more price was top selling reason wix way better
They sell them in some of the big auto parts stores over here.
Walmart has them
They are still there. Advance auto sells them
I wish you would have done a K&N filter. Some years ago, somebody wrote on a motorcycle forum not to use a Fram filter. He said it ruined his engine because card board clogged the port in the engine. I though he was blowing smoke but I wasn't taking any chances. Your video proved to me the guy was telling the truth. WOW ! I bought one Fram filter for my bike before I read the forum, That filter is still sitting in the garage, unused. Tomorrow I trash the filter.
Thanks for posting this video. It was very educational.
Barry
It would be interesting to see a Fram filter from the 60's opened up and compared to a modern one . We all had hot rods in the 60's and 70's , and Fram was THE filter for racing .
Yeah. Harley brand oil filters from the 90's were excellent, but now, they're like this Fram example....Surprisingly, Fram filters for Harleys are much better quality than new Harley filters.
@@billcarp3523 When Harley starts making filters, oil, etc I might give them some consideration.
HD dealers have been sued for threatening to void warranties if HD branded products weren't used. That's illegal in the US.
If HD required their HD branded oil to be used, they would have to provide it at no cost.
Not all dealers have been overly scrupulous.
@@billcarp3523 Anything with HD name on it is junk
@@skylane807 just watched a video of an HD filter vs FRAM ... the FRAM was in a different league over the crap HD one ... seems like you can't take anything as given. Maybe someone's making a fortune out of selling rebranded crap ...?
I think it's time we checked for ourselves rather than just believe a youtuber; they can't all disagree with each other and also all be right!
Fram by far makes the BEST oil filter for motorcycles. Fram makes the same quality of filter they made 25 years ago before bean counters started cutting corners. They have always been made in Taiwan. Taiwan has a true motorcycle culture. 70% of all licensed drivers in Taiwan have a motorcycle, compared to approximately 5% in the US. They also take great pride in products they make.
I'm like the other guys I've always use Fram but I will never ever use a Fram oil filter again on my vehicles. I did not know this until I seen your video thanks so much for your time and showing us the inside of these filters.
Did the same test back about 1970 in an automotive course. I see Fram has increased their filter area since then, and by quite a bit. They were garbage in 1970, and I’m glad to see I’ve avoided them all these years for good reason.
sweet jesus they were WORSE before?!
So when is my engine going to die ? My 23 year old truck with 300,000 miles. My oil comes out non gritty and I've only used Fram and Penzoil traditional oil. Never had any internal issues.
I knew fram isn't the best, but it works, but after seeing this, I won't be using them anymore. I depend on my car to get me back and forth to work. It's worth every penny to have the best products to keep it on the road the best I can.
Ive used fram for over 30 years. Never had any issues. This guy just hates fram
LOL
I've been using Fram Tough Guards and Mobile 1 in my truck for 200k miles without a problem. I'm at 300k miles now no rebuild in sight. He can talk all the crap about the cheap $3.50 Fram all he wants. The mid range $5 ones I use haven't failed me yet.
@@MasterTech396 , but the filter is obviously not able to it's job with that flimsy construction, why would you trust that?
James R - like I said I don't use the low end Extra Guard in the video. I use the mid grade Tough Guard or their top end Ultra Synthetic. They are both built different than the orange one. This dude is comparing a $3 filter to a $9 filter. Why couldn't he get an Ultra Synthetic which is Frams $8 filter? Would have been a better comparison in my opinion.
I had a fram collapse a long time ago. The filter was new and I had no reason to suspect it. When I found out what happened I never bought fram again. This video answers any questions I probably had back then. Thank you sir.
I didn't know there was such a large, robust UA-cam community for oil products! I'm learning so much this week!
What’s more important than the filter you use is that you change your oil and filter @ 3-4k for conventional gas and 5-7 k for diesel and synthetic. I’ve seen so many vehicles come in to where I work with the change oil indicator on. Those indicators are way past when you should change it for long engine life
I work at NAPA also. Wix and NAPA filters are identical when you get to the gold. Top quality all the way. Fram are just relying on their name since the quality has been lousy for at least 2 decades.
@imposter 0shadow
The best Napa filter is the one that has the neoprene check valve ,that you can see when you look at it at the bottom!!! Because it doesn't get hard and lose it sealing propertys!!! Most other filters have black check valves WHICH get hard and leak back all the oil in the filter!!! So every time you let your car set for awhile you get a dry start witch is not good!!!
Sir, just read the comments and you have people that have used Fram FILTERS for year!!! Have vehicles that have 3 - 4 - 5 hundreds of thousands of miles using FRAM FILTERS!!!
First of all!!! Everything I said is TRUE!!! AND ""TWO"'" as you say!!! All of those FILTERS that you cut open are BYPASS FILTER!!! AND ANY OUT THERE IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH WHEATER THE FILTERS ARE BYPASS FILTERS JUST ASK AROUND AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE BYPASS FILTERS!!!
THE REASON THAT THEY ARE BYPASS FILTERS!!! IS BECAUSE IF THEY WEREN'T AND THE FILTER PLUGGED UP THE OIL WOULD STOP GETTING TO THE ENGINE!!! AND YOUR ENGINE WOULD COME TO AN ABROUT STOP!!! IT WOULD FREEZE UP FROM THE LACK OF OIL!!!. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE BYPASS FILTERS!!!
AND I ALSO WAS MASTER MECHANIC! FOR FORTY YEARS MORE OR LESS!!!
MATTER OF FACT I AM ABOUT TO UPLOAD A VIDEO THAT TELLS PEOPLE THAT FOR ABOUT ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS THEY CAN BUY THE PARTS THAT I TELL THEM TO BUY!!! AND THEY CAN INSTALL THE PARTS THEMSELVES IN LESS THAN TWENTY FIVE MINUTES OR LESS!!! NO TOOLS REQUIRED!!! AND THE CARS OR TRUCKS LAST FOR MILLIONS OF MILES!!! RUN LIKE NEW!! NEVER HAVE TO CHANGE OIL OR OIL FILTER!!!
LIKE SAID THE ALL OF THOSE FILTERS ARE JUNK!!! AND THAT'S WHY TENS OF MILLIONS OF CARS ENGINES AND TRANSMISSIONS WEAR OUT EVERY YEAR!!!
LARRY
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Nothing wrong with Frams quality. They are a reputable brand. My dad used them for years. Been using them for years with no failures. Can't go wrong with a Fram.
I see Fram hasn't improved in the last 20 years.
the orange cans are garbage, the higher end ones are ok i would never put one of those orange can frams on any car, especially in modern times with turbo engines, the glue will fail because of heat and the filter ends up getting shot through the oil pump and passages.bye bye engine.
Nope
@@juggernautxtr Cool story.
@@Calbenmike ford senoir master tech, whne you replacing engines because of those orange cans failing then you can make snide remarks. otherwise keep talking with that foot in mouth.
Because they are still using the same filters from 20 years ago considering they have rust on them.
I could not agree more! Years ago I worked at a dealership and a vehicle came in with no oil pressure.
MANY Techs were stumped on the issue. Engine was torn down.....
Turns out, the Fram oil filter completely broke down and clogged up.
Will never forget it
I drove two Dodge minivans to near 300k on Fram filters without ANY engine issues. I now have a Malibu that’s just past 200k, no issues and still running fine. My oil change schedule is roughly 3500-4000m. This doesn’t include other cars in the immediate family with similar results.
Fram filters are all JUNK no matter which one you buy. Fram spends millions of dollars in advertising instead of making a decent filter, however most people have no idea how bad they are made. Beware of Fram filters, engines are very expensive, Filters are not. Buy the Best Filter for your vehicle it's worth it.
Most EVERYTHING advertised on television (boob tube) is garbage. I make a special effort to avoid anything advertised there.
Best filter = FRAM Ultra. If you disagree, tell me why?
@@robertagster7164 Why? Because they are made with junk material both the element and the internal metal parts. Check out the many UA-cam videos of these filters dissected. Pure Junk personified.
Joseph M that’s simply not true. Fram Ultra filters are quality filters, and use a synthetic blend filter media. Check out Bobistheoilguy if you want further proof.
I used Fram 15yrs+ and 2 cars @ 300,000 miles with syn Mobil 1. No probs. But after seeing this - NO MORE FRAM 4 ME!
Thanks!
I originally clicked because of the thumbnail assuming it was clickbait... man was I wrong. Short, but completely informative and to the point with the nitty gritty with no fluff. I am appalled by the fram. I will definitely be watching your videos!
Its still borderline clickbait. Hes comparing the cheapest fram available to higher end filters. Fram has 3 or 4 models better than this one...
Stopped using Fram filters about 5 years after I went away from Pennzoil in the late 60s. A friend had a Fram explode on a 396/375 in a 67 Chevelle! I just stay away from both of them any more. Last Frams I used were for some 'rinse quick' oil change flushes on some rebuild candidate engines. They were cheap. I am and have been for years a Napa Gold user, Wix when no Napa stores are in the vicinity. Stick with Valvoline and Mobile1 for most of my gas engines. Great video, I am now subscribed. 68 yr old retired electronics geek / welder / mechanic. Michael in Colorado.
Yes Sir on the Valvoline. I worked at a Refinery on the Lube Oil side. We had several name brand oil contracts. Valvoline was one of them. Their specs were way off the charts as was the price of the additives to achieve those specs. Valvoline forever here.
Did anyone find out why the filter EXPLODED?..(.probably a stuck relief valve...that will explode almost any filter....)
Good video that substantiates my arguments that Fram oil filters deteriorate and deposit paper into the engine. Had it happen 20 ish years ago
15yrs ago i used FRAM filters all the time. I got me an 88 Mustang Gt and over about a years time i noticed whenever i started my car it would tick and sometimes clank for about 3 or 4 seconds on a cold start... No matter if it was winter or summer. At first at payed it no mind thinking i needed an oil change but it continued through 2 or 3 changes. To prevent the dry starts I use to crank the engine slightly where the started would turn the motor but not start it. I use to do that a 2 times and that eliminated the dry start. I told my friend who was more into cars at the time than i was and he asked me what filter i used. I told him FRAM and he told me that was my problem. I stopped using FRAM and never had another problem. I use STP now and i bet they arent the best of quality but i never had a problem in 15yrs.
FWIW You were better off just letting it idle dry for 3-4 seconds instead of brutalizing your starter like that
@@toxicity4818 better off not using a fram filter lol... That solved my problem
i mean yeah lol, definitely wasn't helping anything haha
My first real job was working at a NAPA store. We had a display showing the Fram and NAPA filters side-by-side. It was shocking. People would ask for an oil filter and I'd bring them a NAPA. They would say, don't you have anything good, like a Fram? I'd show them the cutaway display, and they would have pretty much the same shocked expression. Some actually accused us of switching out the Fram for some kind of dollar store brand, and I would offer the following: Go down to Kragen/Chief/AZone, buy a Fram, and bring it back here. We'll go into the machine shop and cut it open, along with a NAPA filter. It's exactly what you showed here. Be aware that NAPA (and WIX) do make cheaper oil filters, but they're still nowhere the garbage that Fram is.
@Sidney Mantissa go to FilterKingz channel... specifically this video ua-cam.com/video/Y544o-mw2wc/v-deo.html
He cuts open the entire Fram line, measures and weighs everything. He does this for a lot of different companies. So you can check other brands too.
I use Wix XP and they’ve been very good. I also think NAPA Platinum is the same
Cool story bro, but can tell me the most important information like how well it filters and show me the evidence. Let me guess no?
Marketing hype show people a cutaway and point out how pretty the non fram is. Leave out that fram is an ome manufacturer tho.
After all the oil filters job is to look pretty inside
@@twatflaps Yes, the evidence is documented of the filtration rate of different filters and their ability.
WIX and NAPA GOLD are the top tier. WIX XP and NAPA PLATINUM are for assholes that think they
know more than everyone else. Granted, they are marginally better, but if you change your oil and
filter at proper intervals you cannot do better than a premium oil and a proven filter.
@@RobertSmith-le8wp They are exactly the same filter. WIX makes both. If you change your oil and filter at
proper intervals, WIX and NAPA GOLD are still at the premium end of the spectrum.
Interesting review, however would be nice to also see actual filtering capability. Some filters may look great but still passes lots of particles.
I think Project Farm did a video testing this but im too lazy to check.
@@ericchapman8956 Project Farm has tested air filters, but could not find any oil filter test.
This is what I thought too and was about to check out until he opened one and found rust in it, and then a couple more with the same thing. I just changed the oil in my wife's car last week and used a Fram filter like I have my whole life, and I'm pretty furious that I need to change it again now and that I was suckered. Would be interested to see a legit test though; of those other 4 rust-free filters, it's probably hard to judge their effectiveness by a visual inspection.
@@countryside_hobbies the forums on bobistheoilguy. Com used to keep a yearly updated spread sheet of lab tested filtration capability of the most common filters on the market (wix, puralator, fram, k&n, bosch, ect). Fram didn't disappoint and forget to skimp on filter media. It was pretty rough.
@@jamesbumgardner1469 Thanks, I'll check...
Bought a Fram filter for the first time im 30 years last week as it was the only brand in stock at my local parts store. Got about 200 miles on my last oil change but that filter is coming off my small block Chevy tomorrow! Going to find me a NAPA or Wix instead. But, going to buy two. Drive the first for 200 miles to get rid of the Fram "Cooties" then change to a fresh one. Great investigation! Your demonstration is certainly compelling!
Holy shit, I’ve only been using Fram filters since I can remember. I feel so violated and betrayed 🙁
fram tough guard is built better.. those extra garbage are only good to wipe ur Azz with lol
I just installed one on my car...I will start getting better filters
Fram is like bud light they both put advertising over quality
@@nyki7fykxtjxyi can't forget gimmicks like the extra grip dipped on it
DItto, I love the rough end you can grab. No more of those for me.
I would like to see inside Delco and Motorcraft filters.
Same thing you find in every other filter.
@Ss Russ yup,. excellent filters. Just as if you use 5-20 oil motocraft is fine.
@@GodOfWar109 Not really Motorcraft are made by Purolator which have a problem with the filter media tearing. I seen photos of the media torn on the FL-820 a few times. People refer them as Tearolator filters because of this.
the motorcraft is very well made and is one of the best
Delco and Motorcraft do not MAKE oil filters, they BUY their filters from various large scale filter foundries ..... probably/mostly Purolator, a 'decent' manufacturer.
I just wish the wix had the rubber grip on the bottom like the fram.
Wear light weight rubber gloves.
I've seen Wix filters with a wrenchable nut on the bottom.
@@dano727 Ja, use an impact wrench to tighten up the filter. Only pussies hand tighten oil filters.
can of plastidip and you are good to go.
The grip is cute and all but oil filters don't require that much torque to be sealed. Just be sure to oil the o-ring hand tighten. Start car check for leaks. Filter wrench is handy if you really need some extra reach or torque... don't try it on the fram though, it'll punch a hole in it.
Hello:
I've been a commercial parts manager for several decades and I wanted to share some thoughts on this video.
Wix makes Napa's filters. They share the same last 4 part numbers. Wix uses 5 digit numbers for the most part. Part numbers that start with 3 are fuel filter. 4 is air filter and 5 oil filters.
Onto Fram filters. Many moons ago Fram was part of Allied Signal. Now they're owned by Honeywell if memory serves me correct. Anything Honeywell is questionable in my book.
Good video. I wished you would have used the same equivalent part number from each filter manufacturer.
This damn well changed my opinion of fram in just a few seconds. Won't be using them again.
@Laquasha Green Seeing is believeing.
Easily!
if its low priced, i still could use it.
@Laquasha Green Oh come on, don't be a dufus. If you watched the video you know the truth, but if you don't believe him and the results he's shows, do it yourself and see if he is right. Be sure to record it and post it for us all to see. Plus, you think he would say something like that in public, where if it wasn't true Fram would sue the daylights out of him. It's obvious to me they won't because he's right and they don't want it made more public than it is.
@@seanturpin01 Someone's name has nothing to do with whether or not they are intelligent or not. Your comment is racist and bigoted. You need to examine your own thoughts and see what you are doing wrong. (for example) Oh by the way, YOUR name looks like one of those stupid Irish guys who're all down at the bar getting drunk every night. (end of example, for the record and this is to everyone, I'm about half Irish myself so don't bother telling me I don't know anything about being Irish.)
I have worked in automotive service for 20+ years and I have been to several training classes and the instructor cut filters apart and fram was by far the worst filter and wix and Napa gold was the absolute best since I saw the filter cut comparison in 1987 I have never again would use a fram filter and I have had several customers that would insist that I use a fram filter I would refuse and recommend a Napa gold or wix and I would tell my customer that I cannot warranty the work if I used the fram I had people tell me that they really like that rough easy grip on the fram filter and I would tell them that it’s not worth the risk for a grip how could anyone risk using a poorly made part on their 50k vehicle
I have seen that video and it is complete Balderdash and frankly I feel sorry for you if you're so gullible you believe it.
any yay who can do a UA-cam video that's hardly scientific or empirical proof.
believe me if there was anything wrong with Fram filters there would be a plethora of lawsuits and there would be massive publicity.
there have been NO lawsuits there have been NO recalls there is absolutely nothing wrong with Fram filters I have used them for more than 20 years and so have millions of other people .
Matter of fact, there are advantages from an engineering standpoint to their design .
they use a fiber end cap inside which is easier to glue and it is less likely to come apart in operation than a metal endcap
We belong to the SAE the Society of Automotive engineers and I can assure you the Fram filters meet all applicable standards once again there is absolutely nothing wrong with any Fram filter.
By the way there is only two factories in the United States that even manufacture oil filters and so they're all basically made in the same Factory just to different specifications
You are not doing anybody a favor by spreading false rumors and nonsense videos you should delete your post thank you! 🙂
I use to work at Fram as a line technician back in the '70s when they manufactured out of East Providence, RI. Back then they were the very best at producing all kinds of filters.
I had a 96 ford contour I bought in 99. The only oil filter I could find in that size was the orange can of death. Never had a problem with any fram filter I ever used. I traded the contour for a 2022 nisssn I bought new. St9ll using orange can of death.
A number of other UA-cam people have done this exact same test, and every one of them has had exactly the same conclusion. This clearly isn't some sort of one-time accident.
Gotta hustle and get that YT money somehow! 🤷🏻♂️
Yes. but if they compared a similarly priced Fram ultra it would be of equal quality to the wix. 5 dollar filter v 10 dollar filter
Fram has been junk for decades. WIX/Napa Gold have been the best forever!
My revelation moment was at work , I started inspecting filters on changes and was amazed at how well made industrial filters are made. Natural progression was to start inspecting my automotive cartridges and wow, nothing turns you off a Fram like looking at how it is made and comparing it to anything. Cardboard glue, and a sort of spring!
Mobile one is my goto not super expensive but very high quality...
In many cities, Fram is sold everywhere and they pay to be able to have only their crap sold in the best location in the stores. We have to go to a car part dealer to be able to buy something else than Fram.
Oil filters are not forever use products. Fram sells 3 grades of oil filters. Mr. Bollinger compared fram's cheapest filters to higher cost filters of other brands, not a fair comparison in my opinion.
@@SandBoxJohn yes I agree, he should of compared with the Fram ToughGuard at least. Everyone know that the cheapest Fram Extra Guard is lame, no need to make another video about it. BUT nobody test the ToughGuard or the Ultra Synthetic.
My mother worked at Fram, making oil filters. She told me to never buy a Fram oil filter. Now, having said that, My son in-law put a Wix oil filter on his Scion XB. Three months later it started spraying oil out while my daughter was on her way home from work. We put it up on my lift and the entire filter looked as though it had been under saltwater for two years. The parts store replaced it and gave him a 5 quart jug of synthetic oil. They said they would send the filter to corporate along with all documentation.
Few and far failures in between. No company is 100% QC reliable just like the lucky who win the lotto.
Actually some companies are 100% qc that is the difference between made in usa or germany or italy and made in china or mexico
kismet, you name a company who has only dropped the ball less than once and I'll poop in your kitchen.
That never happens with Wix!! Very freaky!! I am a generator mechanic and Wix is all I use! I have never seen this happen. 1 in a million!!
A loose filter, spraying oil on a hot catalytic converter, would catch fire and burn off the paint leaving a rusty surface.
Oh my GOSH!! I was SO perplexed why my car broke down.
I owned a 1973 G.T.O with a 6.6 liter or 400 C.I.D engine.
Back in the day, I changed my oil every 3,000 miles or every month.
FRAM was my favorite oil filter because I trusted this filter as many other gear heads did.
One morning on my way to work as I took the exit ramp to the traffic light 🚦 I stopped and clearly heard a knock as the engine idled.
When I returned home that evening I pulled the oil pan to find that I had spun a rod bearing.
New standard size bearings with plasticgauge test, re install and torqued to specks.
Thank you.
Now I know what filter to reinstall every time.
Thanks did a paper in college on the Wix company years ago. Wix is a great company did you ever cut apart a FRAM ULTRA SYNTHETIC filter and see if the guts are any better, it's more in comp with pricing to the Napa and Wix filters?
I to would like to see that because he had higher quality filters in the other breand and then the cheapest fram you can by. Seams a little staged
i doubt it, would be hard point selling wix/napa if he tested with a level playing field.
I guess I’m a former Fram customer now... Thanks man!
Wow! I've been using frame all my life...never again. I always liked the grip material at the bottom for tightening...but, the inside is what counts.
Dennis if you need that black grip for tightening, it's TOO tight or you need more Wheaties and spinach !! Doubt if it's powdercoat Jacksmiles 47--too pricey--probably that shit advertised on TV by that obnoxious goof in the boat
You are right...it is about what is inside...BUT...does any filter actually filter "BETTER" than another? ...The proof is in the use...too many FRAM oil filters out there working and
doing the job they were designed to do...filter oil...no better...no worse.
any problems with those fram filters?
This video explains whyv my last 3 cars had engine problems with Fram filters. Ill never use Fram again, I fell for their marketing pitch for the last 20 years.
Thanks for the review. Surprised to find that Fram is so bad, but I don't use their bottom-of-the-line filters.
A few "tips" about shooting video (I used to work in the industry):
1) Don't move things around when you show them to the camera. HOLD STILL so people can see what you're talking about.
2) Get a shot of your subject that's tight enough. That will be easy for your camera op if you HOLD STILL (see above).
3) When showing text on the screen, leave it up long enough for people to read it. "Zip-zap" text is annoying. Also the text should not compete with the audio for attention. Pause the video while text is up so a viewer can read it without trying to follow the video action at the same time. Conflicting info is LOST info.
4) Compare prices. The Napa Gold filters might be the best of your assortment, but what about the price? I see you reviewed the cheapest of Fram's line. What about their X2 or Extended Life filters? Comparing quality is largely meaningless without comparing prices.
Other than that, good job.
Wow lie much !! or are you just that stupid? Thats not rust and you know it. thats Discoloration where they use heat to cure the cardboard to the filter. there is NO rust in the canister !! yes it is a cheaper filter, but its susposed to be. its only good for 5,000 miles and is dirt cheap for walmart to sell. if you want a good filter test a fram ultra filter rated for 15,000 miles. cut one open to see , makes your napa filter look like a pice of shit. i am a mechanic & i know what im talking about. you are lying to these people and should be ashamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Compare apples to apples.!
WOW! I used FRAM for years! I guess I need to change! The cost of replacing a filter is far less than the cost of replacing an engine!
Seems ironic. My previa has been using fram and never had any issues.
@Temporary Account So then how come I never seen an issue? I mean my previa has over 400K miles and still running so idk.
Change your coolant every two years not 5 or even 50,000 or 100,000 miles. Every 24 months. Change your Transmission fluid every 40000 miles. Never flush drop pan replace filter. Your car will last a long time. REPLACE YOUR FUEL FILTER EVERY 30000 MILES. DO NOT NEGLECT THIS.....
Motors were run forever with no filter. Yes they are the way to go, but these differences are not that important.
WOW WOW WOW!!! And you havent done so yet have you? No, you havent. So this is why this is pure bullshit
As a licensed mechanic I can tell you the only oil filter I have ever had issues with have been fram filters. I've seen them cross thread, filter medium disintegrate and plug oil pumps and paths, to filters were the oil completely by passed the filter material, as it was dry after a full oil change cycle. The air filters are also suspect at best.
Ac Delco & mopar are made by champ Napa gold & wix are the same filter , I have seen them made at Wix
Cross threading is not Frams fault, it is the DUMMY behind the filter...
@@kramnull8962 for actually tightening them on once they felt resistance yes. The bad threads to begin with, no.
@@jynxgoxoom More like a bunch of fun dummies that want to blame fram for something they have screwed up themselves. Funny thing is Fram offers the best filter removal tool of ANY filter... You don't need one. I'm sure that would throw your Wix into the $25 range for them to include that. Most engine failures are due to hot rodding 7000 RPM around town and running 15000 miles between oil changes. But no one is going to admit that... You see a guy running around bouncing off the rev limiter, then you hear his car with a rod knocking, then you talk to him. "Yeah It was that damn Fram oil filter... They found bits of cardboard throughout the engine"... Nah what they found was shrapnel from the bearings he desentagrated...
@Scott Page USMC I had a vacuum leak on my 2.5L 92 S10. Took the intake loose and replaced the metal intake gasket. I just put all my bolts in a container and really didn't look at them closely. One of the bolts is 3mm shorter. If you don't use that shorter bolt in the bottom rear hole of the intake, the bolt will touch the pushrod for the lifter/rocker arm. Well you know what this dummy did right... Point being most people doing their own work do not pay close enough attention, just like myself, then try to put the blame off on something else. Even though I do think it was an idiot move by GM to use 1 shorter bolt, so I guess me and GM will have a fingerpointing standoff...
You just gave me the proof. I had an old truck that had a fram filter and had an oil light on, but had plenty of oil, it was the fram filter that failed... I've never used one ever again. but now, I know which one is the best! thanks so much...
As a kid I always remember dad telling me to never ever use Fram except to throw out of the car window at someone.
Wow lie much !! or are you just that stupid? Thats not rust and you know it. thats Discoloration where they use heat to cure the cardboard to the filter. there is NO rust in the canister !! yes it is a cheaper filter, but its susposed to be. its only good for 5,000 miles and is dirt cheap for walmart to sell. if you want a good filter test a fram ultra filter rated for 15,000 miles. cut one open to see , makes your napa filter look like a pice of shit. i am a mechanic & i know what im talking about. you are lying to these people and should be ashamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smart Dad
got a case of them and that's what I am gonna do with them...on my way to walmart. damn junk
So your dad is the reason I keep getting hit my Fram filters!!😄
@@ChrisRiley3D-Everything I see your point, but what about everyone else here who are also saying that Fram is crap? There seems to be a consensus among everyone here that Fram filters should be avoided.
Wow....Ive used fram filters on my chevelle since i was 14....I wonder if that a partial reason why im saving for a 3rd motor now. NEVER again! Thank you so much for this video
I can only imagine a 14 yr old taking GOOD care of his ride.....( what caused the first two engines to expire ??)
Frams were called the "orange cans of death" by shop guys!
We used to call them engine killers!
because the fram toughguard was the cheapest with a cute color...and a great name L:-) . Many garages have sold the fram toughguard because they get it by the thousand and they are cheap. Most people don't even know anything about oil filters
F-ckin Ruins Any Motor. Learned that 30+ years ago. Still true...
been using fram for over 45years! have never had engine problems. lucky i guess.will be changing oil asap.wish i saw this a month ago.heading to napa.
I can't tell which Fram filter was used in this test but in another youtube test a gentlemen cut up about 15 filters. The higher end Fram filters actually looked like some of the best in his test as they contained a metal mesh around the paper or cloth filtering material so he rated those some of the best. The Fram filters he highly rated were both meant for use with Synthetic oils as I recall. I'm not a great fan of Fram however as I had a couple problems in the past with fram filters, just saying they all don't appear to be garbage like the one tested here.
@Terry Wolford Thank you for reminding me that Fram now offers different levels of quality and pricing, I suppose due to competitive marketing. I’m a retired Parts Specialist from a time when Fram only sold one quality of oil filter, which I recommended. Times have changed, as have qualities of many brands available on different merchandise in diverse areas now. I would now recommend OEM filters when available, as I’ll be buying in the future for my car although from parts stores of course. Driving GM, that keeps me with AC Delco filters but Duralast Gold car batteries from AZ. That’s just a personal preference from experience since we only have 3 battery manufacturing facilities in the USA. Apparently Fram, like most companies, has started cutting corners. I appreciate the people who made this comparison video and appreciate you saying their are others. GBU and yours the rest of this year and going into the next Happy New Year. :)
Years ago now I used to regularly cut open filters looking for contaminates. I found more than a few of those 'orange products' where the media had substantial glue voids, leaving very large holes and/or partially collapsed media. Some had really poor looking relief valves, not to mention the anti drain back check valve issues as in the video. IMHO, another reason to do frequent oil changes is that in the event a bum filter is encountered, it will have less time, and be less likely to wreck havoc. Other bad filters were those heavily marketed toilet paper gimmicks... oil would 'channel' through them; don't get me started. If you ever get a chance, for comparison could you chop open some new OEM filters... like maybe Honda, Toyota etc etc. You'll likely be pleasantly surprised! Cool videos, Thanks!
Any filter CAN fail....most manufactures have the game covered...make it a inexpensive as possible...without compromising the performance. FRAM does exactly that...as with some
of the other brands.
I got blocked from commenting on fram on how poorly made their oil filter are
I'd say that's a badge of honor!
You must've been almost as proud as I was when I got blocked by Hillary Clinton on Twitter. Good stuff!
So did i lol.
FRAM don't like the truth. I got a lifetime facebook ban. They have also accused the guy in this video of slander on their fb page. Truth hurts I guess. Make a shit product and get a shit review.
Wow! I have 200k miles on my Tundra and been using Fram filters with Mobile 1 oil. Change oil every 4k and truck runs great.
Well even a bad filter will work if you have all the conditions right but for the average driver the oil change will be late and a whole list of other things and it just won't hold up
@@rileycannon6789 LOL, blaming the oil filter for poor maintenance practices of the operator. How far over the prescribed OCI does the average driver go? Many average people still prescribe to the 3,000 mile OCI, which has mostly been dead for decades.
@@mscffp unfortunately many people don't even know about that old standard. A lot of people are pretty clueless about cars. So companies putting out crappy oil filters hurts a lot of cars in general. I know to change my oil regularly but I have changed oil for loads of people who didn't know how often to get it done. Should they, sure, but they don't so we work with what we got. And putting subpar filters on the market isn't doing anyone any favors .
The dealer I bought my Audi from installed a Fram filter. Didn't think much of it until a week later left me stranded on the highway with a low oil pressure light. After towing it home and and dropping the pan figured out there were no obstructions, just not enough flow from the filter. I will use OEM filters from now on
I've always bought Fram and I don't think that I've had one fail, but - never again!
An oil filter can not fail as in show the failure, except your engine will be ruined
I thought Fram was a quality filter, especially for the price. WOW, Fram is a piece of junk!
"MADE IN P.R.C."
Not so, made in USA and a tested and true design- engineered to work right, in spite of the unwashed shade tree mechanics rants. @@Bandicoot803
And for years I have been using the Purolator filters because of the oil change specials from my local chain parts store. Always thought I was getting a low quality filter because of the package deal. Now that I know better, I might push my change interval to 4k.
Richard Raucina it is obvious from the internal contents that Fram is a cheap product compared to the others. I’ve used them in the past and never had an issue although.....
What is funny is everyone thinks that. What is funny is no one ever has any issues. Some people have been using FRAM filters for over 30 years with no issues.
Just think, you're on I-70 heading west in Kansas in 95+ degree heat. You start thinking about the crappy $3.00 FRAM oil filter you're quick change oil place stuck on your $50,000 car. Next exit, 92 miles.
BulletSpoung not too many ppl. In Kansas can afford a
$ 50,000 car.....
Must be passing thru?
Great and funny point !
Let's see here.... "Quick Change oil place" and "Fram" kinda belong in the same sentence.... add "Pennzoil" for the Hat Trick
@@SurferJoe46 Funny!
@Mike Hegarty A lot of farmers in kansas lease their equipment because they can't afford a 500K brand new combine.
In my many years working in the field and constantly checking oil on equipment, I never once saw a Fram filter on a commercial engine. (fuel, air, or oil) Most were Baldwin and Napa Gold/Wix. Baldwin being the most common on rental equipment. The difference in price between a good filter and bad one is usually less than a coffee drink at Starbucks.
My dad literally just bought a Fram filter and Shell Rotella T synthetic blend 15w-40 for my BRAND new Nissan Titan. Nope it’s going in the trash and I’m stopping at OReilly in the morning and getting a Wix.
You need a sugar Daddy? ;)
Why don't you get a a K&N filter? It's way better than any of these and has a 1 inch nut on the dome so you can just put a 1 inch socket on a breaker bar or ratchet and take it off real easy without dealing with those ridiculously hard to fit strap wrenches when the damn things get seized on there real good. I've used nothing but K&N in my trucks and I've had a 94 Chevy 1500 that had 370k miles on it when it got stolen. Currently have a 2500HD with 350k miles on it. 6.0 gasser runs like it's brand new. Had a Honda Ridgeline that I beat the hell out of because it was free(long story got it with 10,000 miles on it.) sold it to a friend for cheap, and he's still driving it with 300k+ miles on it. They're just that good. Oil quality makes a difference too. I've had all these engines last nearly forever using valvoline. The older trucks all used valvoline Maxlife and my 2016 Silverado that I drove off the dealer lot with 12 miles on the odometer is using valvoline full synthetic+ K&N oil filter, and with the tight tolerances of engines these days, I wouldn't be surprised to get half a million miles out of her. Valvoline is so confident in their products that you can register as long as you're still below 125k miles, log your oil changes on their website, proving regular oil changes and if the engine dies before 300k with the full synthetic, they'll pay for a new engine. The synthetic blend gives you a 250k guarantee. What other oil company does that? I've convinced many friends to switch valvoline and a K&N filter over the years and every single one has thanked me when they end up with an old ass vehicle, body might even be 50 percent rust. But the engine purrs like a kitten. Smooth as silk. Like butter. Like whipped cream running downhill in Texas in July. Smooth.
And wait? 15W-40 shell Rotella for a Nissan titan? Even if it's the diesel titan thats wayyyyyy too thick an oil. If it's the gas(petrol) engine one its WAY WAYYYYYY too thick. Thats like, semi oil. Tractor trailer oil. Stuff you'd put in a kenworth, Peterbilt. Like, the big big trucks. Don't put any of that stuff into that truck, go look in the owners manual, and it'll tell you exactly what weight of oil and how much to use. Unless you're driving a big rig, there's no need for 15W-40 Rotella Deisel lube oil. Good lord..lol
blackhawks81H if it’s gas it’s a 0W-20 for a 2016/17 (guessing its not a 18’)
Cant go wrong with k&n honestly
You know that scene in Tommy Boy when the guy is asking "WHERES THE GUARANTEE ON THE BOX?!" This video reminds me of him
I've seen a Honda oil filter cut in half and the quality was outstanding. But, I'd never seen the inside of a NAPA Gold/WIX. Great information. Thank you, sir.
Modern Honda filters are identical to the orange Fram.
@@JohnnyUtah9173 No kidding? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It was a long time ago when I saw the inside of the Honda filter. I was working at a Honda dealer in the parts department. Thanks for the updated information.
@@karlhungus5554 yes. I’ve always used oem filters religiously, until I saw a video on the Honda filters a few years back. I guess years ago they were good when they were made by filltech (spelling?), but once they switched to Honeywell, who makes Fram, they are now orange can Fram clones.
The PureOne line of filters are actually very good too. Heavy base, well made, lots of material and a silicone drain-back, absolutely the best kind to keep oil from emptying itself back out of the filter.. Also, Champion filters are Bosch.
What's sad is, Fram is all I ever ran on my old Ford F-150. Yes, it does need a replacement engine now.
Yup, too much cardboard is all but healthy for the engines...
Right, after 300,000 miles. or after it spit out 6 or 8 spark plugs due to Fords sh8it engine design. Whats your mileage?
@@RRaucina I once had a 1992 Volkswagen Golf III GTI - finest car we owned. Barely made any trouble, ran on its original engine and tranny for 407'000km ( 253'000 miles ). I'm pretty sure she could have run a great deal more, but we had to give it away in 2009 as our "beloved" government taxed €500,- per annum inorder to force the population to replace their old cars with newer cleaner models. And now, what do we have? DIESELGATE AFFAIR AT ITS BEST ! ! !
Thats not FRAMS problem. Thats just owning a Ford junker
@@Bandicoot803 Yes, the older VW's were very good here also, especially some diesels are still running after 500,000 miles with good maintenance. Here, even in California, older cars from the 90's and early 2000's are great bargains, maybe $1,000 at auction in very good condition. They must only pass a simple smog test based on that years standards. Some commercial diesels are being forced to retire, however. We are in a small, remote county and so the air quality is good. Each county has a different standard for inspections. We only have one at purchase. For diesels, there is no test for used ones at all! You can drive it for 50 years afterward with no further government interference.
Thanks for sharing this video with every one of your subscribers - I have bought Fram oil filters for years but having to watch your video I am turned off from buying a Fram oil filter ever again - once again thank you .
You dont have to watch his video? Have you had problems with Fram filters?
Pete, this video is all BS. This guy was contracted by napa.
Of course I dont have to watch this video. But how else can one pass any comment on a deeply flawed video. You really have to compare like with like. The fram filter described here is the cheapest they make and it is ok up to 5000 miles just as it is specified to. But fram do a range of filters right up to one that is designed to last for 20,000 miles. That model would compare well with the other premium filters shown here.
Have I had any problem with fram filters? No.
Another easy target...you would believe anything I bet!
Your Welcome - Mobile oil company
after watching this video and been a fram user for 35 years. I did the same test with a fram vs. a wix and just like you see it on this video, the fram oil filter is very very poor filter ..... so good bye fram, hello Wix filter
Right, but you obviously "forgot" Fram makes MUCH BETTER QUALITY FILTERS - which test well in other You Tube videos.
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@cadzillals6 the Fram has to be more effective to catch the rust and decomposition happening inside itself.
@cadzillals6 6yy
@cadzillals6 Sure, until it's so degraded it's letting unfiltered oil through. do the same test after it's been on an engine for 3000 miles and then I'll judge results.
I recall as early as 1993, Cummins put out a bulletin saying dont use fram because the oil pressure blows the media apart plugging the piston oil squirters. I only run Fleetguard, Wix, Mobil or Mopar filters.
Today I saw an expensive ad boasting the high quality of Fram filters! Thanks DoRite fabrication for the truth!
At first I was skeptical about the fram hate - hey, nothing wrong with cost optimization if it still results in a working product. But the rust and flaking cardboard... nope nope nope.
Spag The Maker I would like to see where he bought the Fram filters from. Rust needs a moisture source and sitting on the shelf with high humidity will rust almost any filter that is not sealed. That why I only buy filters that are sealed by a wrapper.
@@Fix-it-tony Where do you get Fram filters or any brand that are sealed in a wrapper? I've only seen them in cardboard boxes and this includes everything from store brand to fancy brand. Maybe where you're from is high humidity so they package them different?
Calvin Walker the Fram Ultra 20k filter I get from Amazon are sealed on the filter with plastic wrap.
@@Fix-it-tony I haven't seen those for sale here so maybe it's online only? I bought a Mobile 1 oil filter the last time I changed my oil.
Fram's not gonna like u now
When I first started driving all I bought was fram because I loved the coarse material on the end. Made it easier to take them off by hand. Made the move to wix when I knew better.
Nice video.
I just retired as a mechanic at our local school board here in south Florida.
For some horrible reason, the school board has/had decided to ONLY use FRAM filters.
On at least 4 different jobs, I found that the FRAM filter had become de laminated from the metal body. Therefore they filtered nothing.
These were all discovered by accident. And I'm sure that the failure rate must be much, much higher.
FRAM filters are pure garbage at best....And at worst, actually harmful.
That's why I font use fram filters. They are crap. Could you pull apart a motorcfaft ,k&n and a Mopar filter? That I will like to see i use motorcrat or k&n on my truck.
I'm pretty sure mopar filters are made by wix. Been using the black mopars for years
@@fubarmodelyard1392 Well, up to the 2002 model year, they were using WIX to make their filters; but to Ma MOPAR's specs. The best ones were naturally from the mid 60' to the mid 70's but were still the best you could get before 1984 (last year for carbs). Actually, up til 1999 FRAM was one of the best filters you could get, but their acquisition by Honeywell was their downfall. Honeywell's bean-counters are strictly devoted the the "Scrooge" school of thought: Company profits above all else. Employees are expendable. Much like the Union Pacific R.R. ideology is still today.
@@fubarmodelyard1392 i agree k&n ,purolater hm or boss same for the rest ,ac delco ,motorcraft, mopar,mobile
would be a good one to see if there HM
@@bakedpagan4674. Actually, the K&N, Purolator and Mobil-1 are perhaps some of the best to be had.
I suppose NAPA Gold and WIX are up there also!
I cannot properly say since I've never tried NAPA Filters and they are not commonly available in Canada...unless you go to a NAPA Parts Store.
@@K2SKIER112 oh now that's just unacceptable!
I used Fram filters for 40 years and never had an engine failure. Last engine went over 200k. All I did was change the oil and filter (Fram) every 5K.
Im with you but now I wonder if I misled all my customers from all those years.
@@ottoteck You didn't do it on purpose, sir. FRAM hid their dark secret from you.
Same here ! I used FRAM for 40 year in Honda, Toyota and Lexus cars. Never had any issues like burning oil or engine failure. Changed at 3-4,000 miles. I use Fram in my 2001 Lexus LS430 too. I drove that car 4+ hrs straight on highway last weekend, does not burn oil. To be safe, I will upgrade filters
I would take this comparison with a grain of salt. Oil filters are designed to filter oil. This guy twisting and poking at them gives us zero information about how well these filters perform their intended task. I’d be willing to bet that all of them are perfectly adequate for standard on road use.
@@nogoodnamesinleft I sure wouldn't recommend a filter that consists of nothing more than a cheap coke canister containing a bunch of tea filter paper and cardboard glued together!
Thanks for the video, my father turned me onto wix and I have been a fan ever since. Was told by Napa about the NG filter but I did not believe the sales 👦. But I see now.
I had a 96 ford contour 2000cc 4 cylinder. The only filter I could ever find was the orange can of death. I never had any trouble. Traded it in on a new 2011 nissan sentra.
Nappa “ Gold “ versus the other cheap brand oil filters?..... or did you get them under a certain price?
I quality higher priced filter will protect any engine better than a cheap junk one. If your driving a ghetto cruiser you don't need to worry about changing anything.
To do a proper test you need to test filtration performance, i.e. what is filtration level in microns. Somtimes this is published but not often. What about flow performance at given pressure..?
Great video but it would have been great if you included a K&N filter. They seem to be of very high quality but I'd love to see one actually ripped apart.
In my experience, i try to stay away from K&N oil filters. Their air filters are great, but the last time i put a K&N filter in my car, it collapsed on itself a bit (even with the reinforcement tube inside).
@@ST6Dude360 Might of been a bad batch you got. I've had the same issue myself but went back to grab another K&N oil filter and never happened again. Note I went back to OEM Subaru filters because it's cheaper and they are great filters, K&N is a bit in the pricey side.
@@ST6Dude360 was it a high performance oil filter
Chris R same because that’s what I use
I thought the same, what about K&N
i dont use the standard fram filter. looks like your comparing their standard to other brand gold levels?
Doesn't matter, the gold level has different filter media in it and sometimes a puck of oil additive but otherwise, all the usual flaws remain. I used to buy Fram HP1 (instead of PH8) at 3 times the price - until I went to work for Fram.
Wow. I’ve always used fram
ever since I started doing my own oil change and has never failed me but thank you for insight.
Replliesko
My old friend Jimmy who was a tank mechanic in the Army decades ago and a great car mechanic told me that Fram filters were garbage. He told me this 15 yrs ago and I kinda thought to myself that they are all the same and maybe he was wrong. He's looking down now and I can hear him sayn "told ya so". Sorry for not taking that advice a long time ago. RIP buddy
Dude- I’ve bought lots of Fram’s over the years. Never again. Thank you very much.
Wow lie much !! or are you just that stupid? Thats not rust and you know it. thats Discoloration where they use heat to cure the cardboard to the filter. there is NO rust in the canister !! yes it is a cheaper filter, but its susposed to be. its only good for 5,000 miles and is dirt cheap for walmart to sell. if you want a good filter test a fram ultra filter rated for 15,000 miles. cut one open to see , makes your napa filter look like a pice of shit. i am a mechanic & i know what im talking about. you are lying to these people and should be ashamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@franko becouse they dont use cardboard end caps glued to the inner perferated filter. they use a thin tin plate. they glue the end caps on and cure them very quick with heat. and heat on cardboard discollors it brown. heat on tin has no discolloration. a standard Fram filter was desined to be a cheap filter for walmart. all though its a cheap made filter, it works just fine for standard 5,000 mile oil changes. have a great day Franko.
I have heard bad things about Fram for the last 25 years. I Never bought one as a result. After watching this, I never will. Thank you for the share!
I'm really surprised that one of those fram filters wasn't just stuffed with old newspapers and held together by used chewing gum.
Think they were going green by recycling the newspapers
A good product description of Fram!
LMAO. It’s probably made in China, where most of what they make is crap. Don’t buy anything made in China, if you can avoid it. What a horribly run country.
@Temporary Account Uhhhhh no it didn't. Economies are measured and ranked by GDP. The US GDP is around 60% greater than China. And that's not even weighted. If you look at weighted, like GDP per capita, the lead is even greater at about 700%. Better get over that "making up BS 'facts' crap" because you are laughably ignorant.
@Temporary Account "Now who is the ignorant one?" You. That article from 6 years ago has the China GDP at ~10 Trillion while the US GDP was around 17 Trillion. Did you even read it? The last sentence says this:
"However in terms of a real GDP the United States remains the undisputed world leader with $16.8 trillion output, significantly outpacing China with $10.4 trillion."
The figure you are quoting is PPP, or purchasing power parity NOT GDP. You got click-baited. Basically, because China is such a cheap, terrible place, the money goes farther there. Well, have you ever heard the saying "you get what you pay for"? Your argument is akin to saying that a guy in a hut in India with a few extra saved up rupees is more "economically powerful" than the Wall street exec making millions but living paycheck to paycheck. Obviously this is moronic.
The one argument you COULD make would be that China is on pace to overtake the US economy, in almost a decade, maybe. THAT would be a reasonably intelligent and correct thing to say. To say that China is the "world's leading economic power" is blatantly false and is a statement that only an ignoramus who misread and misinterpreted a sensationalized headline would say.
I learned this long ago and always use Wix in my vehicles. I've been a mechanic for over 40 years. Fram only sells as many as they do because of all of their advertising. I have had to educate friends and family about this same exact thing. Awesome presentation.
I learned a few years ago at a O,Reilly's demonstra ion how cheap Fram filters fall apart after installation.
298 fram investors didnt like your video.
Great information
All sellers of non-Fram oil filters thank you quite much for this piece of shit biased comparison. Wix are made by wiccans.
LOL
@@MrFligemon , Another paid Fram Troll.
@@jamesr5741 Not paid but I am a troll....and proud of it.
@@jamesr5741 try the Fram ultra synthetic , metal end caps and metal core or is that not good enough for you
As a past Buick Motor Division mechanic, I always stayed away from Fram filters and Quaker State oil. Great video, thank you. I'm a Amsoil and Wix dealer.