The Orville: New Horizons Delivers Its Best Episode!
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- The Orville New Horizons' latest episode, "Midnight Blue" is an epic culmination of many stories, and I adore it.
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A moment I think might have been lost in the Dolly cameo, Dolly never tells Heveena that she was wrong or bad or evil. She just tells her a story about her youth and what she belives in and lets Heveena find her way. there was nothing but love in that simulated cabin.
That was a very Dolly Parton scene, wasn't it?
I suspect our Captain didn't specify what would be talked about in that simulation. :) Reasonable expectation Heveena would ask, though.
I was not expecting to see Dolly in this. When we focused on the door, I was like.....nah, shut up, surely not, come on now! And then she steps out, and I'm like...."whaaaaat?!"
I was shocked that her scene, and really the whole episode, had more Dolly in it than she had after years of trying to coordinate schedules to appear on Grace and Frankie.
Such a great metaphor of a scene...And Dolly Parton was brilliant in her empathy.
Have to give Bortis's actor a lot of credit in this episode. He managed to pull off a wide range of emotions from his classic stoic bluntness, to the blind rage of seeing seeing his child's torture, to desperately holding back tears as he addressed the counsel, all were believable.
Yes, Bortis' actor was amazing in this episode too, with a character and species who are very reserved, he managed to convey everything amazingly whilst still keeping it within Bortis' character; the scene with the council was amazing, as was the scene when they rescued Topa, and I don't think we've ever seen Bortis' explode like that before - I genuinely thought that Bortis would kill him (and arguably justifiably so).
Peter Macon said he spent a lot of time doing stage theater work so he has had a lot of practice with emotional scenes.
Such a strong actor, enough said
@@billkeithchannel And it certainly shows.
I was very impressed with him, especially in the council scene. Very well played episode all around, but he was the MVP for sure.
I really loved how Dolly wore the subtle rainbow suspenders during the episode. Dolly is a wonderful human.
First episode of The Orville ever to make me cry, and it was during the scene of Klyden reconciling with Topa. This show was so goofy in the first season and it's become so beautiful and heartfelt.
You could cut this as a feature film. Just edit some moments from previous seasons while the opening credits roll.
First season was the gimmick to get FOX TV to fund and air the premise of the show. TV executives HATE HATE HATE sci-fi because they just don't understand it. So they had to be more humorous the first half of that season to get the green light to make the rest.
@@knoahbody69 The cast said it looks phenomenal on a big screen. And episode 1 was in IMAX for the premier.
I've cried almost every damn episode, dammit.
I don't normally get emotional but this did it
This episode brought me to tears repeatedly. Can I say that the moment Bortis closed his eyes and took a breath was a statement on 2 levels for me.
Level 1: That was a breath of a man who finally felt inner peace after years of tension over his family life. All cast members brought their A- game tonight.
Level 2: That breath represents how going to Hulu has allowed for every episode to breath. By that I mean if an episode needs to be 42 minutes to tell a story, so be it. If it needs 60-90 minutes to make sure it all feels organic, all for it.
I agree
I almost cried several times and then we Topa's other father comes back and tells her he loves her as she is! I lost it.
Yep I told my friend if a tear doesn't come to your eye this episode you're dead inside. *Mwah* chef's kiss. Such a great episode.
Yup, nodding my head in agreement. Also, such strong acting in this episode
@@markh.williamsauthor7286 I was a blubbering mess
The Orville may have not started great with the Moclus storyline BUT DAMN DID IT STICK THE LANDING. I loved how it basically went with "YOU CAN'T COMPROMISE WITH BIGOTRY OR ELSE YOU STILL HURT THOSE MARGINALIZED. BECAUSE BIGOTS WANT PEOPLE DEAD AND GONE AT THE END OF THE DAY"
I was literally screaming at my TV going YES YES FUCK MOCLUS!
While I agree you can't compromise with bigotry, I think there is also an important less that you still have to try. Sure in the end there will always be those you can never convince but in the process you get people like Bortis and even Kliden who start out just as bigoted as everyone else but eventually come to realize the harm their beliefs are causing. Not only that but the reason everyone stood together against the Moclins in the end was because they saw how the Union had tried to bend over backwards to appease the Moclins yet the still continued to play victim every step of the way.
@@trueblaze84 Bortus was never bigoted unlike Klyden, he for instance didn't despise or snitch on his ex Locar for being straight and attracted to females. And always advocated against Topa's surgery in spite of being raised on Moclus.
@@MuantanamoMobile but he still started off just like Klidan, the only difference is he was much quicker to be accepting, but even then there were many times he fought against changing his beliefs and likely would have just dug himself even deeper into them if people tried to force him to change rather than seeing the harm they caused for himself
@@trueblaze84 No. If you rewatch that episode, he was against the operation, even taking the opposite that's why they ended up having to take the matter to court on Morclus, but he just "let it go" since Klyden was his husband, and had also gone through the process as child, as well as Morclus law siding with Klyden. Unlike Kylden he wasn't filled with disgust for Topa.
Bortus also when he was much younger before joining the Orville and leaving Morclus, was in a relationship with Locar but didn't turn him in when he found him cheating on him with a female.
@@MuantanamoMobile But if the crew hadn't convinced him there was nothing wrong with Topa being female he would have still considered it a disgusting deformity. Just because he changed his mind faster than Klyden doesn't mean he didn't agree with him at some point.
And the reason Bortus didn't turn in Locar was because he loved Locar and didn't want him to suffer the public humiliation. He kept his belief that Locar was a disgusting perverted degenerate right up to the moment where he was outed and arrested and only then did he finally begin to change his mind.
Bortus started with the mindset of your typical bigget, but only because he never questioned the beliefs he had been taught and when he did he found no reason to hold them and abandoned them. Klyden on the other hand clung to his ideals and only finally became willing to abandon them when someone he loved was nearly killed by them. They both started as biggets, but one just stopped being one much faster than the other.
Gordon calling out the Moclans was great, cutting right through all the BS.
Also the colonists softly playing Jolene while others danced around the fire gave me a chuckle.
Yup. Folk Jolene.
Yes to all of this....just pure brilliance
What Seth is saying is that we don't have to take this "You don't respect my culture" bullshit of the right wing. Their culture is all about disrespecting others.
The scene were Klyden came back and talked to his daughter made me cry.
That brought on my tears
me too
I love the actress that plays Topa - Imani Pullum. She is doing an extraordinary job!
She is! With an extremely challenging role this episode - had to do the full gamit of emotions here, even to the extremes of being god damn tortured!
She's extraordinary!
I so agree...highly talented and she was astounding in the torture scene.
@@dm121984 Indeed...well said.
Very difficult to pull off that Moclan stoicism alongside childlike curiosity at any age-but to have also pulled off a gender transition portrayal? Wow!
If we get future seasons, I hope Dolly becomes their version of Vic Fontaine.
YES!!!
When Bortus was calling out for Topa while looking for her in the woods, that was a chilling scream...
You could feel the pain in his voice
@@fueselwe Yes...such strong acting
Macon brought his A game
Bortus saying "You are liars, and you.. are butchers. And you must ANSWER! for your CRIMES!" was amazing.
I have actually yelled this at parents who are giving their children hormones to prevent them from starting puberty because they're under the disproportionate belief that their child should not experience puberty until they are old enough to decide whether they want to be male or female....
@@highlander723 well if youve yelled this at parents, you literally are making no sense. Taking hormones doesn't butcher anyone, and exactly how are these parents liars or criminals? On second thought nothing you can say will excuse what youve done
@@highlander723 Hormone blockers are not hormones,. The clue stick is in the name.
@@highlander723 Or you could just mind your own fucking business.
@@highlander723
Ok Moclan
All hail The Dolly. This episode blew my F-ing mind. I honest to God cried when Kliden apologized to Topa. I yelled at my computer screen. Bortus f**ked that dude up. Gordon said what we all wanted to say. Best show I've seen all year.
Well stated...summarised...
I would have been completely content with Dolly making a two second cameo in make up. Not only did they get her, she got to be Dolly. Just proving that she truly is timeless.
I’m so glad they did it this way. Putting her in alien makeup would have been a distraction (she can’t NOT being Dolly)
@@Chace957 I agree and I don't think it would have much of an impact if she was in alien form
Bortus' voice breaking when they were calling out for Topa to show how he was just barely keeping it together and then that emotional speech at the end. Just wow.
If I remember right Bortus does clarify during the council scene that Topa refused medical treatment specifically so she could show them all exactly what had been done to her. I don't know where I would rank this episode for the season. I don't think I like it better than A Tale of Two Topas, but I definitely like it better than Episodes 2 and 3. Klyden's scene made me tear up a lil.
I agreed with almost everything you said. I think you're wrong about Gordon's standing up to the bigotry not ultimately mattering politically. Perhaps the union representatives would have stood up either way, but I'm not convinced. There is something deeply phytologically difficult about being the first one to stand up and speak out. And the union representatives saw that courage and I think that's at least part of the reason they acted. And while they might have done that without him speaking out, I certainly could never say that for certain.
“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
― Mark Twain
I was gushing to my friend about Dolly's cameo, and the hilarious instrumental of Jolene at the alien shindig, and then the Klyden scene happened and I think they must have been cutting onions for that teepok. Such a gut punch to the feels. I never thought I'd be happy to see that sack of crap. Damn this show is amazing.
This was my first real introduction to 'Dolly Parton,' and boy did she not disappoint! My new philosophy of life now is to "Do the right thing in that moment, and let everything else take care of itself." Thanks for putting these out every week- I really look forward to hearing your thoughts every Thursday. Keep it up!
Dolly has always had a bit of self depreciating humor to her, so I imagine that line about her not being all there was her idea.
It is such a profound quote...
That dinner at the end was a real testament to forgiveness and moving on. Remember Klyden tried to attack Kelly and she had to put him in a hammer lock.
'In order to maintain a tolerant society, a society must be intolerant of intolerance'. I feel Gordon really embodied this with his scene
Yes, such an on point line
I really did not expect Klyden to come back this soon. Possibly ever. I speculate that they had this planned for Season 4 but aired on the side of caution and did it now in case they didn’t get another.
Also, any plans to cover the Orville book that just came out and takes place immediately after this episode? It was apparently made from the 11th episode they planned to make but couldn’t make due to COVID
Yeah klyden coming back this soon seemed a little farfetched. It would be interesting to see if Clyde in decides to have the operation to be turned back into a female after all this time and how Bodius would react to it.
@@highlander723 I don't think Bortus would mind, he didn't judge Klyden when he revealed that he had been born female, nor did he judge or snitch on his ex boy friend Locar for being heterosexual.
I did expect Klyden to be back, the damn crisis also came sooner than I would have expected, too, but could Klyden really stay away?
@@highlander723 this certainly would be a twist and I would like this to happen.
@@LaraA55 As much as I would love to see it..... I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think Seth MacFarlane is going to turn a good representation of a homosexual couple into a straight couple it'll piss off The LGBTQ segment of his audience.
My favorite part was at the beginning of the camp scene when the women were playing Dolly Parton's "Jolene" and Hulu dubbed it "soulful Moclan music playing"
Love Star Trek, but this is the rare episode that legitimately leaves me in tears (a few DS9 episodes come to mind), but this episode definitely has immediately jumped to my list of best Trek/Orville episodes of ALL TIME. More than one scene had me completely in tears.
This was seriously powerful, and I'll not hesitate to admit that that reunion scene brought tears.
Holy cr@p... this WAS movie-length - didn't feel like it.
All the best with the reveal!
I had to pause after the first half hour to rinse the cheese from my popcorn off of my hands and get a second beverage and saw that there was another hour to go. Holy wow did that go by quick! Nothing dragged at all in this, something tons of movies can not say. I highly recommend Indiana Cheese Pizza flavor and Walmart flavored sparkling water in the cans.
@@billkeithchannel Thank you for the recommendation and you are so right, the pacing was perfect that I lost the sense of time.
Topa was the one who demanded to forego medical treatment until the council saw what the Moclans had done to her.
I laughed out loud at "there you go Sherlock!"
I like how Kelly did not come down on Bortus for beating the living shit and blinding the Maclan that tortured his daughter. She told him to stand down and after he did, it was never brought up again.
This reminded me of Star Trek The Next Generation when Worf goes medieval on Duras' a$$.
Tbh he needed to die because of the name he'd extracted from Topa.
With any luck his brain is so scrambled he won't be able to reveal this information.
I agree that it was an amazing episode. This season has been incredible. The story writing and acting has been brilliant. It has dealt with real issues that are hard to grapple with and they pulled it off without it being superficial. This season I would characterize as combination of serial and episodic story telling. Each episode has left me not wanting the story to end. ~~Looking forward to your big reveal Jessie and seeing your face during the reviews.
Very well stated
I really love that the Orville has become what it is. I liked it before, but it has become absolutely amazing. I'm a huge Trek fan and love modern Trek - all of it. Orville has become just as impactful and I love it all.
Seth said this is the kind of storytelling he has always wanted to do but could not get any of the studios to sign off on it and pony up the cash to do it right.... until Hulu that is.
Nodding my head in agreement
Like so many here have said, this is the first Trek/Trek-esque to make me weep - hot tears. I am amazed with the high-quality execution of this creative team - from the wonderfully complex writing (simultaneously and uncompromisingly episodic AND serialized) to the wonderfully subtle acting chops of everyone (Bortis' eyes closing in a momentary gesture communicated paragraphs) - even the music. It all works and I am so grateful to these artists for their craft, humanity, and vision. And to @Jessie's review which lets me relive it again through her perspective!
Wonderfully stated
One hour, twenty six minutes, and thirty three seconds, probably the longest Orville episode to date. But it was all worth it!
There was not a single moment of dragging storytime, something most cinema movies can not say.
@@billkeithchannel exactly
I have a short attention span, can't watch movies in one sitting but my eyes were glued to the screen, totally enthralled
This was apparently Seth's favourite episode. Also who knew that Klydon could become likeable. As a post to your review as a whole is..... AGREED!
That dinner at the end was a real testament to forgiveness and moving on. Remember Klyden tried to attack Kelly and she had to put him in a hammer lock.
@@billkeithchannel indeed, a very grown up moment and episode
As seen as Heveena stepped into Simulator One and it become the interior of a cabin, i was at a "NOOOOO WAAAAAY.....THEY GOT DOLLY FUCKIN' PARTON ONTO THIS SHOW/EPISODE?.....LET'S GOOOOOOO!!!!"-level of losing my absolute shit. No joke.
Same!
I totally agree with your entire take here. I cried twice. When Bortus told Kelly she was part of their family, and when Klyden apologized. So good.
They said Topa *chose* to delay medical treatment to show the council the full effect of the torture done to her. It wasn't a writing mistake. You're right, of course the adults, especially her father, would want to get her treated as soon as possible but she's kid and idealistic so she wanted to show the council--and also get payback on the Moclans, the cherry on this horrific sundae.
Perfect timing! I literally just finished the episode and immediately checked to see if your review was out yet… and it was uploaded only 59 seconds ago!
What an amazing and emotional episode!
Added to the decision to go after Topa... It's one of those decisions where its JUST understood that the father's wishes overrides the orders of a commanding officer. F-ing brilliant writing. Very well done Seth!
I just wanted to let you know that I found your channel from season 3 of the Orville. I really like your recaps and I have a feeling that we couldn’t be more polar opposites in our views with life and politics but a great UA-camr is a great UA-camr and your a great UA-camr. I wish your channel nothing but continued success and you’ve got a new subscriber. Great job.
This episode was AWESOME! I was at the edge of my seat throughout. They keep upping the ante every week, from the more personal storylines to the greater story ark and the whole union is becoming more and more vulnerable, it’s all going to come to a head! 😮
Great review again!
That faint move *Kelly* made towards *Bortus* at 1:01:35 has got to be _the_ slightest move I've ever seen! Oh, so subtle, yet as conspicuous as a super nova! 😊
The scene with Klyden was fantastic. I teared up. Topa was so quick to forgive him but he insisted that he did wrong, it wasn't ok, and he had to work on it. It was just so good.
Something interesting about this episode, we the audience don't know the name of the Molcan contact nor the frequency Topah was supposed to use to contact them. So we don't know whether or not the torture was actually successful in extracting the correct information. The torturer seems to have just been told something by Topah but there is no confirmation that the info was accurate.
I would presume that the setting on the torture stick that Bortus used to attack the torturer was high enough to cause permanent neurological damage, so he wouldn't be able to remember that information. And, we hope any recordings of the session were also destroyed.
@@Jeffrey_Lew I suppose I was being a bit vague. Torture does not actually give useful intell. People will say and do almost anything to stop pain and suffering, lies based on what they believe the torturer wants to hear is most often given. They didn't know that she had any useful intell when they took her or she wouldn't have been taken because they would have already had it. So this episode didn't actually do what so many other shows do and show torture actually working. He got information, but there was no confirmation that the info was good.
When they bring Topa into the Council chamber, they specifically mention that she refused medical treatment because she wanted everyone to see what they had done to her.
Loved the bardcore-esque version of "Jolene" at the festival.
I can't believe how good that was. Good action, suspense, bit of humour, amazing visuals and of course heart wrenching emotional scenes!!! I liked the Star Wars series, but they could learn a thing or two from this season of The Orville. For one, longer running times!!
The ship chase scene was way better than the Phantom Menace "Ben Hur" pod race.
I couldn't agree more, this episode had everything and yes, the star wars live action shows do need longer running times
I have the same feelings about that torturer. I’m glad Bortus didn’t kill him and that Kelly didn’t bring up his actions. Just a spectacular episode all around and Kelly is someone you would always want in your corner
Oh yes, Kelly would have your back
I Love how continuation matters, i love how they build up things and most importantly how they use the cast. The Orville really became their own thing and the way every character can learn like even the morality right one gives even more depth to the show.
17:42 PS: on that scene Brotus said that Toppa rejected treatment cause she wanted to show the Council what the Moclans did to her.
I was so connected to this episode. I knew a man a lot like Klyden. He had to hide who he was when he was young and as an adult. When I met him gay culture was just starting to be accepted and he was so angry and full of self hate he’d turn that hate on to other gay men. He changed a lot once he recognized how angry he was.
I feel like the union is probably better off without having to walk on eggshells around the Moclans.
There might be segments of other races that could help. There was a species in episode two that demolished the krill maybe the union can reach out to the other unaffiliated races.
The look on Bortus face when he realized who had tortured Topa was awesomely scary.
Also loved the cameo by Dolly.
When Bortus asked if he had done that to his daughter I went “oh he is that guy” and nodded in Amos
@@kvoltti yes! I felt that too.
Everyone seems to forget that Klyden was born female and went through the same procedure that was done to Topa. Klyden has suffered internalized hatred about themselves. This isn’t to excuse his actions but to understand the nuance.
@@kvoltti Yes! The pain and hurt in him runs deep. He has to live in that society. Theres hope and forgiveness for Klyden now that he’s seen what happened to topa.
This will forever go down as a classic episode in the league with some of the best star trek had to offer. Amazing story’s with great character development, smartly written and acted and the special effects were fantastic. Shame that not a single episode of STD or Picard has been able to pull off anything even close to the quality of Orville’s current season. If I was part of Abraham’s or Kurtzmens crew I would see the difference and be ashamed of how poorly they have represented the property most especially the quality of the writing.
I absolutely agree with you, on point writing, powerful acting and high quality special effects
I’m usually a pretty rational guy that rarely is hit with emotions but this got me to tear up twice.
Amazing episode. Between this and Strange new worlds we’ve been getting some great sci if.
Only unfortunate that Picard was so disappointing compared with these 2 shows
Nodding my head in absolute agreement...the last few weeks of sci fi has been extraordinary...
Watching Bortis get revenge had me literally clapping and screaming at my TV: "Yes. Beat. That. Ass!"
If this level of storytelling is as strong as this episode, I feel The Orville will surpass my love for Star Trek.
That's a bold claim.
I also agree with you.
Don't forget to support renewing Orville S4 on social media.
Brannon Braga was one of the reasons that TNG was so good.
It has surpassed Star Trek for me from day 1
My favorite is still "A Tale of Two Topas" but this one was really good. It's clear that everyone involved is putting their all into this season and it would be a travesty if it isn't rewarded. If I were Seth and Disney doesn't renew it I would go around to anyone willing to pick up a fourth season. Maybe Amazon or HBO Max? Not sure how that would work legally but I need me some more Orville.
one thing Disney didn't have was direct competition with Star Trek which is huge right now, some could argue Star Wars but they are just to different, but the Orville is clearly set to meet that challenge it would be foolish on their part to not continue the franchise or even expand on it with possible spin offs... this show is just to good to sideline I'm sure it will bring Hulu many new subs which is again another plus for Disney as they also own that streaming service.
I have a daughter and I felt every ounce of his rage. That is all I can't say anything else.
I've never really been a fan of Brannon Braga's scripts, but I think this is the best one he's produced by far.
Jesus. Maybe it was the drink I had this evening. But I was crying like a fool near the end.
I really enjoyed this so much
I am trying to convince a few that fell away from this show to go back to this!
I fell away from this series not far into its first season, but my wife kept watching and she kept telling me it was good, and the 3rd season was coming, so I decided to rewatch it with her, just skipping the shit episodes of the first season. And, honestly, I'm glad that I did, this season has been such an improvement over the first season it might as well be an entirely different show!
I agree with you. Best episode of the series. It was so good that I had to seek out a review for it. Love your recap/review.
I cheered when Bortus beat the shit out of the torturer and cried when Klyden apologized
The scene with Topa entering the chamber without receiving treatment first seemed like a intentional nod to Emmett Till.
It's just a classic move out of every propaganda handbook ever written.
If Dolly Parton talked to the female changeling the Dominion war would have ended in 3days
I was so happy to see Klyden again. I mean, he was so wrong in the past. But you get why. And he loves Topa and Bortus so much.
What a fantastic episode that tied up quite a few loose ends that have been building up across all the previous episodes & seasons of the show. The movie length of the episode was exactly what was needed, rather than splitting it into two separate episodes. The inclusion of Dolly Parton was both funny and sweet with her story of doing the right thing at the right time. Episode of the season so far.
I really loved this episode, my only criticism was that it felt off how long we spent on the Orville with Haveena until we finally got back to Bortus and Kelly, the Dolly cameo definitely made it worth it though.
It’s difficult, but I think my favorite episode is still Tale of Two Topas just because of how much of an emotional catharsis I got from that, though this episode is a great and integral companion to it. For this episode it was like the long prophesied second shoe had finally dropped.
I just hope next season (manifest it!) we can see Bortus’s family do some silly moclan stuff again, I really missed that this season under all the heaviness.
Yeah some good old absada, ja'loja and latchcomb. Heheh maybe progus cake for the foodies.
I think the Haveena story arc is very important. It's a good exploration of what constitutes a hero. While she may have stumbled off the pedistol they all had her on she still stands for a just cause. It will be interesting to see her relationship with Topa moving forward.
Just watched a bunch of your videos. Great commentary. I really appreciate your takes.
I think it's kinda good that they portrayed Heveena as flawed and not as this "paragon of virtue" type of person the show seemed to be setting her up as. Ironically, they "humanized" her.
Like Ed pointed out, she must have known about the imbalance of power between a child and the person who is their hero, so of course Topa would have agreed to anything Heveena asked. Naturally Heveena would be wary of anyone officially in the chain of command in the Union, so she couldn't realistically ask any enlisted officers to take on this task, just because she'd consider the risk too great with everything that was at stake.
In a way, it makes me think of Kai Opaka from Deep Space 9 after the reveal that she had to sacrifice her son and his resistance cell to the Cardassians in order to save many more lives.
It's such a joy to hear a New Zealand accent, and see the wonderful Rena Owen!
So many wonderful moments in this episode that so many of you have already pointed out, its hard to choose just one, but the scene with Ed and Haveena when she tells him what she did ...his line to her "I respect your struggle I really do, but don't advertise tactical opportunism as pious morality, because that's when you lose me" was probably one of the greatest lines in the entire series. calling out her putting Topa in danger...brilliant episode to a so far outstanding season also Gordo with the deserved dunk on the Moclans sheeesh ...
I didn't even think of it that way until Mercer confronted her. I was all for Haveena getting Topa involved to help the cause in the moment, which is why I guess I can identify with Haveena and not judge her harshly. Especially when she did the right thing to help save Topa.
@@josephram1843 that's why it was such a good scene! both Ed and Haveena have valid points and it was not done in a nefarious way.
17:26 Bortus says Topa refused medical treatment so the concil could see what was do to her
Orville made a huge, HUGE leap in storytelling quality since its first season! It's almost like they started with TAS-level but now are not afraid to be on DS9-level, so to speak.
Gosh, I'm loving this season so much
The actors playing Bortus and Kayden where superb in this episode, the rage and grief from them through that make up.
I didn’t see Kelly and Bortis as having a romantic connection. Even though I was thinking Troi/Worf. The interaction on the Orville was more the Worf telling Troi she is Alexander’s ‘step-aunt’ moment. I think Grayson is family now, but not a romantic partner.
Yes same. I also read it as just their friendship growing stronger throughout the episode and thought it was really well done, hope they keep on developing it, I really love it. Also not that it can't be established if necessary but I don't think we've seen any signs of Bortus being attracted to women at this point?
I was expecting the kidnappers to turn out to either be Kalon in clocks or these hidden Mocklands working with the Salon.
A dad that will go to the matt for your kid. And klyden. Admiting his ignorance. After his kid almost died. Huge issues. Hit me sudeways with tears. Amazing episode
Superb - The Orville gets better and better
I just want to say, as someone who utterly HATED the pilot episode of this show, how continually impressed I've been with it. It felt like, early on, the writers didn't know what they wanted The Orville to be: was it a serious sci fi with comedic moments? Or was it a comedy with serious sci fi moments? As time has gone on though, the show really seems to have found itself; its a workplace dramedy with some incredible character work. It draws its humour from the everyday inane shenanigans that happen in every workplace culture, while at the same time telling some truly awesome and heartfelt sci fi stories around it. Topa's story in particular has continually tugged at my heart strings, even if some of the earlier episodes were a bit...up and down...and I love how they've culminated it this season. Truly *chef's kiss* all around! The Orville truly feels like its approaching Babylon 5 levels of quality in some ways (writing, intrigue, character moments, cool sci fi stuff) and I'm VERY here for it! So happy that we're in another golden age of TV sci fi. :)
Sometimes it takes a show a while to find its feet. I thought the first two seasons of the Next Generation mostly stank, with a few exceptions. It wasn't until season Three that TNG really came into its own. I do agree with your assessment. I liked the first two seasons, but it didn't know what it wanted to be.
@@ronaldwilliams2456 Exactly. I agree with your assessment too and its really nice to see The Orville follow in the noble and ancient Trek tradition of "The Third Season Gets Good!" LOL :) ...personally I'm hoping it keeps growing into itself. The more quality sci fi on the air, the better imo.
Apart frm being a Trekkie fan, Seth is also a huge Star Wars fan and I though the shuttle chase scenes were very heavily influenced by the space chase scenes in the original SW movies.
Also, I kinda expected that they'd reveal that the contact person on Moclus would be Klyden and that Topa would be extra motivated to not give up the name, but I guess that's not the case.
That Dolly Parton cameo was quite a wonderful shock. And I think it worked. 😃
I imagine the crew ribbing Malloy about Topa was the sort of thing that happened to Neelix very often on Voyager when the crew learnt how old Kes was . . .
It was so cathartic to watch Gordon call out those Misogynistic a-holes
He also if you note pointed out The Union's belly crawling to the Moclans:
Look, I know I'm not supposed to talk here, and I'm probably gonna get court-martialed, but somebody's gotta call out these assholes!
Gordon, don't...
Every time they cross a line, we let it go because we're scared to fight the Kaylon without them. And every time we compromise, they still act like they're the ones gettin' the shaft!
That's enough, Lieutenant!
You treat people like garbage, and then when you get called on it, you b¡tch and you moan that we're not respecting your "beliefs"! Well, screw you and your...
Gordon!
Sounds like the writer is making a point here about present world realities insofar as moderates within either party kowtowing to the fringe! It's also a clear indictment of Republican rhetoric towards minorities, women, immigrants, workers wanting higher wages, those who don't embrace the Christian dogmatic doctrine.
The reunion scene made me ugly cry even harder than I did at the end of Inside Out.
His apology wasn't just a one and done, he acknowledged what he did wrong and admitted he had unlearning to do, which, having helped people undo thier bigotry I know is much harder than some think it is. And the whole time she is just pouring out unconditional love and understanding brought me such a powerful rush of catharsis that a blubbered.
The ending scene with the dinner was awkward, but it's also a subtle nod to something that is overlooked: Gratitude is far more powerful than people think it is. It can change hearts and bridge respect even in the most bitter rivalries. He had so much gratitude for her that it overcame the animosity, not fully, you can kind of sense from Chad Coleman's amazing performance that Klyden wasn't 100%, but for the sake of his daughter and indebtedness to Kelly, he knew his personal feelings in the past had no place in that room at that moment.
I kind of hope we get some time with Klyden and Kelly alone where they get to talk it out over time.
I kinda like that the Union alliances against the Kaylon have fallen away. It really raises the stakes all around. I wonder if they’re going to bring back the spider monster aliens from this season as either a greater threat or completely subvert our expectations by having them become a new potential ally
I had a streak of episodes that I cried to at three before this episode. I thought it was going to get broken until 4/5ths of the episode. Once Klyden opened his mouth the floodgates opened and I couldn't stop the waterworks.
Incredible episode!!! The writing was stellar and the acting was next level. I was a little iffy on the show for the first few episodes of this season (did like it but not as much as I had hoped) but in the last few episodes The Orville is totally hitting it out of the park. Could not be more impressed. Great review, Jessie!
You deserve far more subs. This review was outstanding!
I was also REALLY hoping that Clyden would tell Topa about his own history. It wouldn't have made his past behavior acceptable, but it would have provided Topa with some EXTREMELY relevant context, and could even be a special bond they shared, that noone else on the ship would understand. Oh well, I suppose that conversation will come another day.
This episode went dark real fast. That torture scene was brutal and then Bortus just goes WORF and stabs the one eyed guy in his good eye.
I suspect Kelly wouldn't have stopped Bortus from killing the torturer if it wasn't happening in front of Topa. For a child it was just trauma on top of trauma.
I was all very,
You're not that guy.
I really hoped they'd kill the torturer because of the dangerous information he'd acquired but I agree that killing him in front of Topa wouldn't have been good.
I enjoyed the first season of the Orville but I thought the second season was significantly better and this third season is even better. I hope the show gets renewed but even if it doesn't everyone involved with the Orville has plenty to be proud of. I think the show has exceeded everyone's expectations.
And they actually got Dolly Parton! Amazing!
The Orville just got perfect, Klyden is back and finally happy.
bortus is sort of "what if worf was a good dad"
If I remember correctly, Kelly does say that Topa refused her medical treatment so that the Union Council can see what was done to her. So I think Kelly and Bortus walking into the chamber with their gear made sense because they came straight from the black site. And with Kelly being a Commander she was probably able to just override any security.
I just watched the episode about a half hour ago. You are correct. Bortas did say to the council that Topa did refuse medical treatment to show them the brutality she had to suffer.
They also have their little scanner thingies with them as he was able to scan Kelly for injury on their rescue mission so they were probably able to make sure nothing needed to be immediately addressed as in a life-or-death situation. Just speculation but yeah
@Bionick Toa I think so too
The reason they brought Topa to the council b4 getting her aid was to show what the kidnappers did . Showing proof
I loved loved LOVED this episode. And you’re absolutely right. MacFarlane respects our intelligence. We didn’t even conclusively learn that those rare, blue rainbow fireflies (…such an effective LGBTQIA+ metaphor…), were Moclan surveillance drones - but I’m glad I was given the opportunity to wrap my own brain around it. The world-building and character work are excellent on this show.
What a roller coaster of an episode! Got my highest high and hardest hurt of the season so far.
PS I hated to like this one, because I was like number 70 (huh huh huh) other than that, loved it! ;)
1. I really, really, really don't want a Kelly/Bortus relationship.
2. I literally only have one complaint about this show and it's not really even about the show. I think sci-fi shows like this need at least 18 episodes a season so they can set things up and give them time so they have a bigger impact when they pay them off. At the end of the one with Topa figuring out she's female, Bortus's husband tells her she disgusts him and he leaves and he comes back at the end of this episode and it would be so much better if was gone for a while so you forgot about him so it would really decimate your emotions when he comes back and says he needs to learn to accept her because he can't not have her in his life.
3. DOLLY PARTON
4. Can't wait for the face reveal! You're gonna be even more beautiful!
what a beautiful episode
I've never had a scifi show got me to the verge of tears. I hope that after Disney plus brings the show to its streaming service that they let seth do it how its been going already, this is a show worth letting the passion of the creators to control completely.
Even though we live in a society where we view violence as unacceptable on most levels, and I have done everything I can to uphold that, im not sure id have left anyone alive on that moclan base. I know what it means to say that, but i also know what it means to hurt a child. I could never abide that even a little by leaving breathing moclans on that base.
Ed surely dropped some truth bombs on Heveena. He was furious af and didn't take any of her "logic" for what she did. I'm happy that, even with a positive outcome for her, Heveena didn't get personal forgiveness from Bortus and probably the rest of people.
She's very dedicated to the cause.
I don't think Kira would have recruited a small child as an agent even at her most ruthless.