Hey Sean, I love the content, one movie I think you should review with Kurt is the Forrest Gump Vietnam scene, not exactly a war movie but the scene is extremely intense from what I've been told and seen. I remember in the video you guys reviewed "the covenant" you talked about how bullets don't whiz or crack or Snap, but in the Vietnam scene from Forrest Gump, it was exactly that. So maybe you guys can check that out.
Now we gotta see y'all play and the SAS use to train (don't know if they still do) that you don't use a sling and just always carry it in your hands because In an ambush the amount of time to unsling costs casualties, there is a specific statistic tied to that.
The reason there was no maneuvers shown in the first scene is because USEC team(the enemy) was trying to push BEAR team to retreat into preset ambush of two machineguns. But two guys from BEAR team were out on recon mission and on their way back eliminated the ambush and walked into the shed right after the RPG blast. They talk about it on their way. You guys should use subtitles to get context.
And the main BEAR team was providing fire support for the sniper and LMGunner who were posted up outside and got caught in the open. It's just that due to editing, the screen time is actually longer than the notional duration of the firefight. They are shooting, moving and communicating.
Just FYI, the Tarkov movies were supervised by actual and former Russian spec ops and instructors. But, the director of these movies was saying, that due to cinematography and effects some moments and situations aren't realistic or "wrong", because it had to be done to look cool on camera. So everyone they are aware of those moments, that are not 100% correctly done.
I think you guys would better appreciate this movie more when you realise that both the Russian teams and the American teams are contractor's, not special forces. Which could explain the different team and individual dynamics that you are seeing? The blacked out dudes with the quad nods at the end are more akin of ground branch in this story lore though.
Considering all of their backgrounds as EX-spec ops, i can see where you're coming from. Hell the actors were EX-spec ops themselves but it didn't tie to their characters in the movie. But i did vividly remember someone in the EFT community confirming the main characters backgrounds about the whole veteran special forces things but from a standpoint when you watch the movie WITHOUT reading its primary lore or storyline it'd be pretty hard to understand it. Plus their weapons are decked out with attachments which is what SOME spec-op branches use.
It´s amazing you guys watching this! Thank you! But: WHY DIDN`T YOU TURN ON SUBTITLES?! Hope for part 2 :) The story is pretty interesting and the game is so crazy you can do your own review about that one as well.
I've seen a video from Iraq or something, dude was taking fire exposed on a mountain side and they shot his gun right out of his hands. Pretty sure he lost it as well. So it's possible..
The rifle (RPK, specifically) had a sling on it, but for some reason the sling wasn't on the shooter's neck as it's supposed to. He was prone in cover when the firefight started, he probably unslung the gun to set it up properly, and then he had to run under fire with it. It is operator error, but an understandable one.
One of the craziest things I’ve learned about the Lone Survivor movie was that there was a SF team call sign Hammerhead Six and they had a camp 5 miles from where the actual fight happened. If the 4 man seal team would have had proper communication by upper they could have worked their way down to them. It’s in the book, “Hammerhead Six: How Green Berets Waged an Unconventional War Against the Taliban to Win in Afghanistan's Deadly Pech Valley”
At 29:00 that is a perfect summation of Escape From Tarkov -- a bunch of PMCs without much training put in a bad situation (it's exactly the same way in the game, and these EXACT kind of scenarios play out in the game just likein the clip). The only time things run smoothly (sometimes) is when you have real life trained soldiers playing in squads together using smart tactical approaches to how they deal with situations, like Operation Drewski and his crew, who run through Tarkov savagely.
EFT is a great example of people thinking that gear and the gun make up for training. People act like the game is this ultra realistic ultra tactical game on par with simulators like ArmA. Only once you strip away its far to detailed and complex gunsmith you realize the realism and tactical stuff is only surface level. People _think_ that being knowledge on guns and attachments will give them an edge, when in real life most operators will strip _as much as possible_ from their rifle to keep the weight down, and optic, a laser if necessary, a suppressor, and a grip of some kind based on preference, all that other shit is stuff made by the third part arms world to fill niches that _they,_ the companies, created. If a persona were to pay attention to these guys when they are talking they very rarely talk about the actual weapons and stuff unless its to point out a glaring issue in a scene (like all the gear being to new or uniform) or to point out some fun detail (like how Buck didn't like helmet covers since he'd keep extra gorilla tape strips on there so he could apply demo charges incase the sticky surfaces became to inundated with dust to be sticky anymore). It just bothered me so much about how people kept begging for them to do this series because they thought that EFT was "sooOOoOo realistic" when the only thing accurate in the game was the guns and that's it. You take away the gunsmith and million keybinds and you are lett with a subpar extraction game with terrible netcode and shitty greedy devs.
The audio for the action scenes was impressive. The bullets hitting the metal siding and cars had the metallic clang, the bullets hitting the thicker walls had a different sound and even the cyclic rate had a fairly realistic sound from my experience. Another great review from you guys. Thank you.
The decision to slug it out in the beginning was made when a teammate was hit. They essentially asked if they were in or out when the second group showed up and the answer was that their dude couldn’t move and so they chose to fight it out.
Glad you did this one. My only big regret is you didn't film your first viewing. I would have loved to see your raw reaction to slowly going from skeptical to learning this movie rocks.
Sean, I got a Beers and Breakdowns recommendation for you. The Kill Team, based on a true story about a team of young infantry soldiers who’s team sergeant encouraged them to commit war crimes!
I think I know what you’re talking about when he had enemy weapons and one of the soldiers in Afghanistan, would throw an enemy grenade and then throw his frag shot. Multiple people all that and they beat up the dude that was going to tell in the team Sergeant 2K nothing out of his pocket with human fingers. Is that what you’re talking about?
27:40 that scene IS total chaos, on multiple levels. It's an ill-conceived suicidal revenge plot, executed as a small-team assault against an entrenched, numerically superior and largely unknown enemy force. The only reason the BEAR team took as many USEC down with them as they did was the element of surprise derived from USEC's own lack of discipline that you've pointed out. The entire scene's premise is insane and that only adds to the atmosphere as it follows through to a tactically obvious and inevitable conclusion. It's a samurai movie, basically.
Im so glad yall did an episode on Raid cause I recommended it probably months back by now. I've played the game its based around for years and got so many military brothers into it and it makes me so happy yall sat down to enjoy it. I wish the game hasn't been destroyed as bad as it is with cheaters and dev issues. If you get into it, maybe ill try helpin yall to understand and walk you through it. Love yall, keep it up. I look forward to seeing yalls new videos every day. Thank you for being here
idk if you guys turned the subtitles on or not but if you got em on you'll see they are communicating during the gunfights and tell each other too fall back etc...I know that was one of the biggest issues you had with the gunfights
Here is one for you. Spring 95 East Bosnia mountain! We were sort of a semi merc unit replacing the SOU unit that held this position and awaiting the orders to take the com station on the hill next over, middle of the forest! My team of 3, two Croats and 1 guy from Finland. 5:15 am, guys drinking coffee next to our tent that was some 20 yds behind to small foxholes, and improvised shelter made out of rocks..rifles leaning against the tree next to the tent, im stretching, opening the mre to get the chocolate for a breakfast. Just as i realized this unnatural silence, this AK full auto sound broke out and that sound of bullets hitting the trees, thump thump thump…in seconds it becomes a hell. It felt like its coming from everywhere, we ran to the holes, me the one on the right, Finland to the one lower and to the left, the other Croat to the rock shelter.as i ran i felt the pressure of the rounds that flew so close to me, whoever shot those, had me on his sights 110%. I cant explain how i did or ended up un the ground touching myself to see if ingot hit, when realized that im not, crawled to the hole, by that time both my guys have already been engaged, and that moment the Serbs started shooting m 60 rocket launchers on us, while their mortar crew started spraying us w 82 mm mortars! Time 5:30 ish, in my hime i had m 82 PKT Russian machine gun, w 100 rds belt, 7.62x59 mm, load it up opened the bipods, got up, sterted shooting into the woods, the thing stops, load a round again, nothing, later found firing pin broke in half, simultaneously the RPG rocket flew over the third guys shelter, hits the tree explosion and tail of the rocket hits the guy in the upper leg, almost tore his while leg up, in panic he is spraying rounds all over, i jumped out running towards him, pulling my first aid out, when i see the hand grenade flying straight against me, i dove down, the damn thing hits this litle 3-4” this tree and bounces off to the other side exploding before hitting the ground, some 15-16 feet away, i felt some tiny little like burns on my right side, disnt give it any importance, adrenalin talking of course, get to the guy, tie the rubber string around his leg tight, to stop bleeding, calling medics to get him, and asking if they can send anyone else to help, no luck on that cause they hit us in the whole position. I got him pulled w my sling just like this movie showed, to the tent, ran back down and by now it is nothing but a hell the only aide where we disnt get shot from was behind us, grabbed my AK started shooting, semi, but i cant see them, few rounds in one direction then few in the other, Finland the sam, suddenly a big explosion 10 o clock, finland guys position, they hit him w m 60 launcher, penetrated his barrier, and the explosion trew him outside, still remeber his body and how it looked bent and weird, at the moment i tought that he is blown badly, not moving little of his face i could see was dark red and black, burnt. Now this time al least for me was flying, not going slow from some reason, and then, mortar hit the branch of the tree right on top of me , tree itself was some 8 ft behind me, and that pressure of the explosion how it came down, will never forget. That moment i remebered when i was on the 3 month diversion unit training course, the instructor told us” when they know where you are, then tell them where you are”! Didnt understand it back then, but i started yelling,” im here you f..s, come closer, and i started hysterically laughing spraying a few rounds down to them! Then i put my helmet for the First time and lit up the cig!, sitting there and watching and listening the explosions and bullets hitting the trees and dirt around! Explaing this to someone who never experienced something like this is nearly imposible! Time stops, adrenalin spa🎉king, and some calm feeling took over, at that time or shortly after i got up to shoot some rounds from my left, and i see the Finland guys body not in the sam postion that was earlier, same thing again, got my sling made a loop, got it around his ankle and pulled him inside my hole, dude was alive, badly burnt but other than that he was good, as he started coming back, he grabs my AK starts pulling it away from me and trying to get back to fight, lol, we dont understand each other, linguistically of course, im using my hands to keep Him in check, shortly after medics showed up again , and a few other guys, little help at the very end of the firefight, that ended around 9:50 ish! After the fight and us making sure that they pulled back, i looked at the postion, the trees, the stomps around our foxholes, it looked like armagedon, thousands of rounds, its when i realized how close those bullets, rockets and mortars hit to us! Only then i remembered that we had one APM anti personnel mine somewhere towards the Serbs, u pulled the wire of it, it was loose, they came so close to us at one point that they cut it off, and to this day i think that they thought we knew they are there and we are trying to let them come closer to eliminate as many as we could, and that is why they failed! Conclusion: the firefight has its own rules, depending on the situation and location, adapt and survive, that is all i can tell you! Cheers boys!
🙋🏻♂️ I am here to say thank you for the banter, I am no longer a fire fighter, but on top of missing the job, I greatly missed the banter with the boys!
>The gun customization and all Tarkov has to offer. The gun customization *_IS_* all this game has to offer lol. im super tired of EFT players thinking the game is hyper realistic because the game has a detailed gunsmith. You take away the gunsmith and the million keybinds to do everything from checking your bullets to stroking your dick and you are left with a subpar extraction game.
He threw the rifle because they shot it, and broke it so it became useless then. Basically a big paperweight. Obviously you guys didn't watch this film closely enough and then offer us a stupid observation.
24 mins in and that's so real. Big difference between being normal infantry(not doing DA raids) vs a team guy. different expectations mentally. When you were talking about if they know you are there someone is going to get hit gave me a flashback to that one cod cqb house raid scene that went viral along time ago and if you took too long to advance when you went to open this one door there would be a guy already underneath the bed facing the door reading to 1 tap you as soon as you started opening the door. its just that quick also man i was hoping you would talk about the stairs scene when they got trapped on them for a good bit and it was pure chaos
11:18 Since you mentioned that movies never show the importance of slings I have a movie suggestion for you guys to cover, Elite Squad (2007), it’s a Brazilian movie about an elite police unit, the main character from that movie makes a whole point about the importance of the sling and it is quite funny. I think it is quite a realistic movie, but I don’t know, just leaving it here as a suggestion.
That is the realest game in terms of the gear, example: Peq15s to Zenitco perst, Pvs14, Mk262 ammo, Crye this or that, Winkler knives,the details are nuts
So, plenty of things could've been cleared up had you just turned on subtitles :) At 27:31 for example, they couldn't move back because they were getting pushed from the back, the only way was forward. That's why they ended up in such a shitty position. They're also contractors, PMCs, not operators. The BEAR PMC Company is the russian good guys and the USEC PMC Company is in this universe the "NATO" bad guys trying to cover up some shady shit the western tech company Terragroup was doing. This is also after some months of fighting according to the lore, so they might've gotten complacent, thinking of the "why are they playing music" thing.
Not sure if you have the English subtitles/captions in the video enabled so you can understand what they are saying, but you guys should breakdown the whole series! It gets even more fun with latter episodes. Not sure if you know Tarkov lore but essentially the Russian PMCs in the game and movie are called BEAR and are filled with eastern-pact ex special forces similar to Wagner. The guys they are fighting are called USEC which recruit former LEO and military personnel from western countries like the US, UK etc.
Watch CC on the video because you guys not getting the scene! They couldn’t move because they assume they were gonna get ambushed and two of there guys weren’t there who were out on recon!
13:30 I think the main reason is that they two guys pinned and couldn’t gain fire superiority. And to add to that they couldn’t flank because there wasn’t another route that wouldn’t take them into a whole new shitshow. Also, the whole “just move back and consolidate” point is still super nuanced because BOTH sides have grenades
When Kurt said that they're all shooting for themselves, it reminded me of strategic warfare history. Combatants in the middle ages only fought for themselves on the field, but the Roman's were able to build their empire because they incorporated strategy and tactics in their combat by developing phalanxes and team tactics. It reinforced that team tactics are always superior than just shooting for yourself. Frontal/later assaults, surpressive fire, tactical egress will always be superior than just shooting for yourself when optional.
When you guys mentioned shooting through the wall, it made me think of that final battle in saving Private Ryan when that solder hears someone behind the wall walking up the stairs and first checks if its the ammo bearer "Upham" and then when he gets no reply he sends shots through the wall and then blood comes into the doorway. Your information about not always seeing the enemy was so interesting !!
Wagner group dud a dramatized version of the Siege of Bakhmut called, "Best in Hell". UA-cam banned it but it's on some of the alternative platforms. In typical Russian fashion, everyone on both sides dies.
This is the kinda of video you get when you have someone review something without any background knowledge as to what the film is about. Like asking some accountant judge how well a science paper is written
Great video guys, very enjoyed it. Got a minor gripe though, at around 15:00, you criticise the lack of communication, but the guys in the 'movie' are talking about the fact that they are pinned and need to get out of there, but you didnt have the subtitles turned on ;) . They do have ENG SUBS version available
since 2007 in cod4 i started use massiv cover from concrete or brickwalls..started to avoid wood, drywalls, and tin....trees are not massiv enough at all just blocking normal shotgun shells... greets from a german plant technician ;)
I would be curious to a reaction to "the great raid" not a terrible movie, but it is a true story. Lots of tactics to break down in it. And thank you for all you guys do by the way!
Cool as always with the react's from you guys! Only thing i was missing in this was you're reaction to the Diska, everyone ive seen watching it have had a priceless reaction!! Keep up the good work guys!
This was an amazing breakdown, i think its good to remember that both the russian side and the American side arent exactly military operators. They are more like private contractors, so they most likely wouldnt know all of the ins and outs like you two do. Also they have full subtitles for the film which shows they are constantly making call-outs amd communicating between team members.
No, this wasn't an amazing breakdown. And the reason why is they didn't have any context about this "movie" they were watching. And don't they know anything about subtitles? Jeez, there are 3 people in that react room and none of them think of turning subtitles on so they can understand what's going on in video?
5:27 "wall banging" as we call it in Tarkov is a real thing, and is also dependant on how soft or hard your rounds are (for likelihood of penetration). Ironically it is a very overlooked tactic in the game itself.
As a guy that plays games like tarkov and rainbow six siege I will say that I find it kinda chilling that cqb is similar between real life and games because in high level rainbow 6, 1 person is gonna be shot but it is up to your teammate to finish the gunfight.
Seen so many fast guys talking shit about the shooting thru walls scene, they all brought up SOPs and rules, none of them said that crucial word "survive". Props.
And here I was thinking they watch the hip firing, ratting, running and jumping around that happens in EFT. 😁 But this was great, too! Interesting things you brought up. 👌
So i went and started watching the "movie" with subtitles. It makes more sense and shows they weren't just shooting in a stalemate. They were, at various points, STUCK while trying to get injured guys out or get pinned down guys oit, or getting sandwiched between two forces (USEC and scavs).
this is awesome i never would have met you guys probably ever but i’ve played EFT for years and love / HATe it lol it’s the best ever PVPVE hard-core looter shooter anyways i have subbed keep up the great work 🎉
First of all thank you for your service, and the service you continue to do. Second there were 2 other movies I can think of that had shooting through walls, 1 Saving Private Ryan, and another I can't remember the name but I think Charlie Sheen was in it and it was Special Forces in Lebanon.
13:54 like another guy mentioned, the reason they didnt leave is because the main character was arguing to them that there is a trap and that they are pushing them back for a reason, you would have known if the cc is on also the guy threw his rifle away because it got shot i think? he said it "fucked" but yea that was unrealisic lol
Subtitles on the Tarkov movie wouldve been great a lil more detail wouldve been nicer for them to know on what they misunderstood like the russian's gun got shot off his hands or what not
Awesome flick! You guys should seriously consider reviewing this movie called "ELITE SQUAD". It's based on the Brazilian Special Forces Group called B.O.P.E. They operate in the favelas in Rio De Janeiro. That would be interesting to see you guy's take.
I agree, really good movies. A real perspective of how the favelas are in Brasil and what the special ops group BOPE have to deal with. @@billywashere6965
It's been awhile since I have watched this movie. My understanding is that the people who produced the game Escape from Tarkov. Also produced this movie. My understanding is that former Spetznas. Were the military advisors.
14:20 just saying I know this is just a movie for fun but they did explain they should run out back and get out, and one responded that they shouldn't because they for sure plan on us running and are set up for an ambush
We had green berets teach us that in fort bliss out near white sands, but we had engineering tape, tied to the little handle on our iotv in the back. So you could sling the tape around you, and drag your teammate if in the situation.
I lived in the Bx years ago. I have seen the poor man’s armored vehicle. Fill the trunk and back seat with bundled newspaper. Don’t know if it worked but I have seen it.
14:00 I think by "Tactical Retreat" what you really meant was "Advancing to the rear." As Capt. Peter Quincy Taggart was known to say "Never give up, never surrender!"
I remember, at the end, when the heavy MG cuts through some soldiers behind the car, one of them his head explodes, I think, the sound was impressive, whole thing kinda scary
About the slinging your rifle part. A interview with Marcus Luttrell spoke about losing his rifle at one point because if he would have had it sling it would have broke more bones maybe even killing him.
My favourite part of these isn’t the actual review it’s the stories we hear from these legends, have learnt so much just from listening to the stories. Keep up the great work gentlemen 🤙🏻🤙🏻💪🏻
Strike Back Series - started in 2010, not the BBC series before. skinmax got ahold of it and made it fun. After a few seasons, it went off because actors went on to movies. Then fans brought back 4-5 more seasons a few years later ---- yes, ridiculous circumstances
The tarkov movie is made by russians so a lot of their tactics and ttp's are based on what they do given that some of their production are ex RU mil and sof. It's nice to see the difference between western and RU tactics. They also made it to where there are Russian PMCs fighting western PMCs so the americans gotta be the lesser force against their own. Tarkov is legit the best game ever though. Still in beta for almost a decade but still an amazing game. Most in depth shooter ever.
I was always told that if we get stuck in a firefight in a hallway and the hallway is long enough, throw a grenade down the hallway. Obviously you have to take into consideration what the house is made out etc because of shrapnel.
If you guys want to watch good realistic war movie movie i suggest the 1981 Das Boot , its about a german WW2 submarine and its crew. The best war movie i have ever seen !
@@Marauder1981 i hope they will do a reaction to Das Boot because its the most realistic movie i have ever seen and with the backstage stories i learned of how they made the movie it became my No1 favorite movie! (sorry if a made a mistake English isnt my language)
11:18 He had a sling but he was in a shit position and quickly switched hands whilst shooting. So when he was running he didn’t have time to sling the rifle again
I have trained with many people, different slings etc. I single point a rifle a lot (I was left handed left eye dominant) or no sling attached unless I start running. But working in Ukraine, Ukraine and Russians run unslinged a lot,even SSO(special forces)
Regarding them staying in the same position, they were communicating and they had 2 of their guys in an open position tryna get out of there, so they were covering for them and tryna fix their buddy
Had a mate of mine not have a sling on his styer on deployment, our sop was to run the sling thru our seatbelt on our patrol vehicles... we went over a bump and his rifle went flying out to a bunch of confused civilans in SI lol
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Awesome 😎
Hey Sean, I love the content, one movie I think you should review with Kurt is the Forrest Gump Vietnam scene, not exactly a war movie but the scene is extremely intense from what I've been told and seen. I remember in the video you guys reviewed "the covenant" you talked about how bullets don't whiz or crack or Snap, but in the Vietnam scene from Forrest Gump, it was exactly that. So maybe you guys can check that out.
check out gost of tabor too tarkovs big brothere
@@johnnymiller8913big brother?
Now we gotta see y'all play and the SAS use to train (don't know if they still do) that you don't use a sling and just always carry it in your hands because In an ambush the amount of time to unsling costs casualties, there is a specific statistic tied to that.
The reason there was no maneuvers shown in the first scene is because USEC team(the enemy) was trying to push BEAR team to retreat into preset ambush of two machineguns. But two guys from BEAR team were out on recon mission and on their way back eliminated the ambush and walked into the shed right after the RPG blast. They talk about it on their way. You guys should use subtitles to get context.
exactly
And the main BEAR team was providing fire support for the sniper and LMGunner who were posted up outside and got caught in the open. It's just that due to editing, the screen time is actually longer than the notional duration of the firefight. They are shooting, moving and communicating.
ye i dont really understand why ppl doing reacts but cant even turn on subs
Just FYI, the Tarkov movies were supervised by actual and former Russian spec ops and instructors. But, the director of these movies was saying, that due to cinematography and effects some moments and situations aren't realistic or "wrong", because it had to be done to look cool on camera. So everyone they are aware of those moments, that are not 100% correctly done.
Still a better story than twilight =) On the serious note though - You are 100% correct
I think you guys would better appreciate this movie more when you realise that both the Russian teams and the American teams are contractor's, not special forces. Which could explain the different team and individual dynamics that you are seeing? The blacked out dudes with the quad nods at the end are more akin of ground branch in this story lore though.
Agreed. I feel like there's a few misunderstandings with the 'tactics' because they havnt played the game and don't understand the lore or backstory.
I agree there is a lot of back story missing from this. Even from the game’s standpoint as a military simulation
@@ryandavies1702 the game is stealth, not full on bullets from hollywood, these guys dont know what tarkov is as a game.
Considering all of their backgrounds as EX-spec ops, i can see where you're coming from. Hell the actors were EX-spec ops themselves but it didn't tie to their characters in the movie. But i did vividly remember someone in the EFT community confirming the main characters backgrounds about the whole veteran special forces things but from a standpoint when you watch the movie WITHOUT reading its primary lore or storyline it'd be pretty hard to understand it. Plus their weapons are decked out with attachments which is what SOME spec-op branches use.
@@kievitz Or you know, instead of stealth you can chad and W key the crap out of Reserve and Labs.
It´s amazing you guys watching this! Thank you! But: WHY DIDN`T YOU TURN ON SUBTITLES?! Hope for part 2 :) The story is pretty interesting and the game is so crazy you can do your own review about that one as well.
the subtitles also explain some of the stuff they were questioning
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@@thebigbread250 Bro. The communication on this film fully provided by Wagner mercenaries. And that is more important than the picture!
Bro. The communication on this film fully provided by Wagner mercenaries. And that is more important than the picture!
@@hiddenhand7659 the fuck are you on about?
The reason why he threw his rifle at 10:46 was not due to that it wasn't slinged, it got shot, that's why he threw it.
If it was sligned, wouldn't matter, would just slide to his back. Unless he rolled a 1 and it shot perfectly the sling mount.
I've seen a video from Iraq or something, dude was taking fire exposed on a mountain side and they shot his gun right out of his hands. Pretty sure he lost it as well. So it's possible..
@@NuRaLoQiYour forgetting that the vibrations from your gun getting hit would hurt
The rifle (RPK, specifically) had a sling on it, but for some reason the sling wasn't on the shooter's neck as it's supposed to. He was prone in cover when the firefight started, he probably unslung the gun to set it up properly, and then he had to run under fire with it. It is operator error, but an understandable one.
@@BlackBladeGroM It was in a backpack
One of the craziest things I’ve learned about the Lone Survivor movie was that there was a SF team call sign Hammerhead Six and they had a camp 5 miles from where the actual fight happened. If the 4 man seal team would have had proper communication by upper they could have worked their way down to them. It’s in the book, “Hammerhead Six: How Green Berets Waged an Unconventional War Against the Taliban to Win in Afghanistan's Deadly Pech Valley”
Well shit that's heartbreaking...
that whole movie was terrible
@@TheMrFuand potentially a lie
At 29:00 that is a perfect summation of Escape From Tarkov -- a bunch of PMCs without much training put in a bad situation (it's exactly the same way in the game, and these EXACT kind of scenarios play out in the game just likein the clip). The only time things run smoothly (sometimes) is when you have real life trained soldiers playing in squads together using smart tactical approaches to how they deal with situations, like Operation Drewski and his crew, who run through Tarkov savagely.
EFT is a great example of people thinking that gear and the gun make up for training. People act like the game is this ultra realistic ultra tactical game on par with simulators like ArmA. Only once you strip away its far to detailed and complex gunsmith you realize the realism and tactical stuff is only surface level. People _think_ that being knowledge on guns and attachments will give them an edge, when in real life most operators will strip _as much as possible_ from their rifle to keep the weight down, and optic, a laser if necessary, a suppressor, and a grip of some kind based on preference, all that other shit is stuff made by the third part arms world to fill niches that _they,_ the companies, created. If a persona were to pay attention to these guys when they are talking they very rarely talk about the actual weapons and stuff unless its to point out a glaring issue in a scene (like all the gear being to new or uniform) or to point out some fun detail (like how Buck didn't like helmet covers since he'd keep extra gorilla tape strips on there so he could apply demo charges incase the sticky surfaces became to inundated with dust to be sticky anymore). It just bothered me so much about how people kept begging for them to do this series because they thought that EFT was "sooOOoOo realistic" when the only thing accurate in the game was the guns and that's it. You take away the gunsmith and million keybinds and you are lett with a subpar extraction game with terrible netcode and shitty greedy devs.
Man, this is the one I've been waiting for. Honestly, if you guys can do a long format reaction to each episode, I think that would be awesome
This!
Up up up
This calls for a part 2 or even 3! There are still so many things to discuss.
yes
The audio for the action scenes was impressive. The bullets hitting the metal siding and cars had the metallic clang, the bullets hitting the thicker walls had a different sound and even the cyclic rate had a fairly realistic sound from my experience. Another great review from you guys. Thank you.
29:00 Buck literally explains the protagonists‘ fraction perfectly without knowing anything about the video game😂😂😂😂
The decision to slug it out in the beginning was made when a teammate was hit. They essentially asked if they were in or out when the second group showed up and the answer was that their dude couldn’t move and so they chose to fight it out.
Would love to see the two of you running raids together in Tarkov!
Glad you did this one. My only big regret is you didn't film your first viewing. I would have loved to see your raw reaction to slowly going from skeptical to learning this movie rocks.
Yeah such a wasted chance.
Sean, I got a Beers and Breakdowns recommendation for you. The Kill Team, based on a true story about a team of young infantry soldiers who’s team sergeant encouraged them to commit war crimes!
I think I know what you’re talking about when he had enemy weapons and one of the soldiers in Afghanistan, would throw an enemy grenade and then throw his frag shot. Multiple people all that and they beat up the dude that was going to tell in the team Sergeant 2K nothing out of his pocket with human fingers. Is that what you’re talking about?
@@southboston9correct. And one of the younger enlisted men was emailing his family, telling them about it and how scared for his life he was!
they review tactics in movies.
@@nvcnyc4298 if it’s a war movie, it’s got tactics, bad or good!
@@southboston9 I think you're having a stroke dude... call 911
27:40 that scene IS total chaos, on multiple levels. It's an ill-conceived suicidal revenge plot, executed as a small-team assault against an entrenched, numerically superior and largely unknown enemy force. The only reason the BEAR team took as many USEC down with them as they did was the element of surprise derived from USEC's own lack of discipline that you've pointed out. The entire scene's premise is insane and that only adds to the atmosphere as it follows through to a tactically obvious and inevitable conclusion. It's a samurai movie, basically.
Im so glad yall did an episode on Raid cause I recommended it probably months back by now. I've played the game its based around for years and got so many military brothers into it and it makes me so happy yall sat down to enjoy it. I wish the game hasn't been destroyed as bad as it is with cheaters and dev issues. If you get into it, maybe ill try helpin yall to understand and walk you through it. Love yall, keep it up. I look forward to seeing yalls new videos every day. Thank you for being here
idk if you guys turned the subtitles on or not but if you got em on you'll see they are communicating during the gunfights and tell each other too fall back etc...I know that was one of the biggest issues you had with the gunfights
Here is one for you.
Spring 95 East Bosnia mountain!
We were sort of a semi merc unit replacing the SOU unit that held this position and awaiting the orders to take the com station on the hill next over, middle of the forest!
My team of 3, two Croats and 1 guy from Finland.
5:15 am, guys drinking coffee next to our tent that was some 20 yds behind to small foxholes, and improvised shelter made out of rocks..rifles leaning against the tree next to the tent, im stretching, opening the mre to get the chocolate for a breakfast.
Just as i realized this unnatural silence, this AK full auto sound broke out and that sound of bullets hitting the trees, thump thump thump…in seconds it becomes a hell. It felt like its coming from everywhere, we ran to the holes, me the one on the right, Finland to the one lower and to the left, the other Croat to the rock shelter.as i ran i felt the pressure of the rounds that flew so close to me, whoever shot those, had me on his sights 110%. I cant explain how i did or ended up un the ground touching myself to see if ingot hit, when realized that im not, crawled to the hole, by that time both my guys have already been engaged, and that moment the Serbs started shooting m 60 rocket launchers on us, while their mortar crew started spraying us w 82 mm mortars!
Time 5:30 ish, in my hime i had m 82 PKT Russian machine gun, w 100 rds belt, 7.62x59 mm, load it up opened the bipods, got up, sterted shooting into the woods, the thing stops, load a round again, nothing, later found firing pin broke in half, simultaneously the RPG rocket flew over the third guys shelter, hits the tree explosion and tail of the rocket hits the guy in the upper leg, almost tore his while leg up, in panic he is spraying rounds all over, i jumped out running towards him, pulling my first aid out, when i see the hand grenade flying straight against me, i dove down, the damn thing hits this litle 3-4” this tree and bounces off to the other side exploding before hitting the ground, some 15-16 feet away, i felt some tiny little like burns on my right side, disnt give it any importance, adrenalin talking of course, get to the guy, tie the rubber string around his leg tight, to stop bleeding, calling medics to get him, and asking if they can send anyone else to help, no luck on that cause they hit us in the whole position. I got him pulled w my sling just like this movie showed, to the tent, ran back down and by now it is nothing but a hell the only aide where we disnt get shot from was behind us, grabbed my AK started shooting, semi, but i cant see them, few rounds in one direction then few in the other, Finland the sam, suddenly a big explosion 10 o clock, finland guys position, they hit him w m 60 launcher, penetrated his barrier, and the explosion trew him outside, still remeber his body and how it looked bent and weird, at the moment i tought that he is blown badly, not moving little of his face i could see was dark red and black, burnt. Now this time al least for me was flying, not going slow from some reason, and then, mortar hit the branch of the tree right on top of me , tree itself was some 8 ft behind me, and that pressure of the explosion how it came down, will never forget.
That moment i remebered when i was on the 3 month diversion unit training course, the instructor told us” when they know where you are, then tell them where you are”!
Didnt understand it back then, but i started yelling,” im here you f..s, come closer, and i started hysterically laughing spraying a few rounds down to them!
Then i put my helmet for the First time and lit up the cig!, sitting there and watching and listening the explosions and bullets hitting the trees and dirt around!
Explaing this to someone who never experienced something like this is nearly imposible!
Time stops, adrenalin spa🎉king, and some calm feeling took over, at that time or shortly after i got up to shoot some rounds from my left, and i see the Finland guys body not in the sam postion that was earlier, same thing again, got my sling made a loop, got it around his ankle and pulled him inside my hole, dude was alive, badly burnt but other than that he was good, as he started coming back, he grabs my AK starts pulling it away from me and trying to get back to fight, lol, we dont understand each other, linguistically of course, im using my hands to keep
Him in check, shortly after medics showed up again , and a few other guys, little help at the very end of the firefight, that ended around 9:50 ish!
After the fight and us making sure that they pulled back, i looked at the postion, the trees, the stomps around our foxholes, it looked like armagedon, thousands of rounds, its when i realized how close those bullets, rockets and mortars hit to us!
Only then i remembered that we had one APM anti personnel mine somewhere towards the Serbs, u pulled the wire of it, it was loose, they came so close to us at one point that they cut it off, and to this day i think that they thought we knew they are there and we are trying to let them come closer to eliminate as many as we could, and that is why they failed!
Conclusion: the firefight has its own rules, depending on the situation and location, adapt and survive, that is all i can tell you!
Cheers boys!
You guys are very entertaining and provide useful content even for civilians
🙋🏻♂️ I am here to say thank you for the banter, I am no longer a fire fighter, but on top of missing the job, I greatly missed the banter with the boys!
Would be great to see you react to gameplay of Tarkov as well. The gun customization and all Tarkov has to offer.
>The gun customization and all Tarkov has to offer.
The gun customization *_IS_* all this game has to offer lol. im super tired of EFT players thinking the game is hyper realistic because the game has a detailed gunsmith. You take away the gunsmith and the million keybinds to do everything from checking your bullets to stroking your dick and you are left with a subpar extraction game.
@ someone is angry 🤣
He threw the rifle because they shot it, and broke it so it became useless then. Basically a big paperweight. Obviously you guys didn't watch this film closely enough and then offer us a stupid observation.
As a reply about the guy who didn't sling his weapon I noticed he actually pulls that gun out of his bag in the moment. He was kind've in a hurry. Lol
24 mins in and that's so real. Big difference between being normal infantry(not doing DA raids) vs a team guy. different expectations mentally. When you were talking about if they know you are there someone is going to get hit gave me a flashback to that one cod cqb house raid scene that went viral along time ago and if you took too long to advance when you went to open this one door there would be a guy already underneath the bed facing the door reading to 1 tap you as soon as you started opening the door. its just that quick
also man i was hoping you would talk about the stairs scene when they got trapped on them for a good bit and it was pure chaos
16:30 So you are telling me that you haven't discovered subtitles on UA-cam yet?!
There is an option for subtitles under closed captions which has all the translated dialogue.
11:18 Since you mentioned that movies never show the importance of slings I have a movie suggestion for you guys to cover, Elite Squad (2007), it’s a Brazilian movie about an elite police unit, the main character from that movie makes a whole point about the importance of the sling and it is quite funny. I think it is quite a realistic movie, but I don’t know, just leaving it here as a suggestion.
the scene where they murder the girl and burn the guy in tires still haunts me lol
Love that movie. Have you watch the second movie?
@@AlexSDU I have, it is as good as the first one
@MrShroomed Wasn't that Elite Squad 2? Or was that the first one? I know that was also in Max Payne 3. Now I'm getting them all confused.
That is the realest game in terms of the gear, example: Peq15s to Zenitco perst, Pvs14, Mk262 ammo, Crye this or that, Winkler knives,the details are nuts
So, plenty of things could've been cleared up had you just turned on subtitles :)
At 27:31 for example, they couldn't move back because they were getting pushed from the back, the only way was forward. That's why they ended up in such a shitty position. They're also contractors, PMCs, not operators. The BEAR PMC Company is the russian good guys and the USEC PMC Company is in this universe the "NATO" bad guys trying to cover up some shady shit the western tech company Terragroup was doing. This is also after some months of fighting according to the lore, so they might've gotten complacent, thinking of the "why are they playing music" thing.
14:00
I think the warehouse team didn't move because they were covering for the men outside and trying to get them back to group
Not sure if you have the English subtitles/captions in the video enabled so you can understand what they are saying, but you guys should breakdown the whole series! It gets even more fun with latter episodes.
Not sure if you know Tarkov lore but essentially the Russian PMCs in the game and movie are called BEAR and are filled with eastern-pact ex special forces similar to Wagner. The guys they are fighting are called USEC which recruit former LEO and military personnel from western countries like the US, UK etc.
They literally watched the whole movie. Are you blind?
@@Marauder1981there’s other episodes lol
@@strang7739 No.
@@strang7739 where can we watch the other episodes
The episode I’ve been waiting for. Glad y’all got to it!
Watch CC on the video because you guys not getting the scene! They couldn’t move because they assume they were gonna get ambushed and two of there guys weren’t there who were out on recon!
I vote Kurt's teal shorts come back! Epic!
They’re like baby blue
16:44 the whole thing had full translated subtitles
13:30 I think the main reason is that they two guys pinned and couldn’t gain fire superiority. And to add to that they couldn’t flank because there wasn’t another route that wouldn’t take them into a whole new shitshow. Also, the whole “just move back and consolidate” point is still super nuanced because BOTH sides have grenades
2:13 “I want to get the game now because of this movie” and so it begins
THANK YOU!!! Been waiting for this for a long time.
When Kurt said that they're all shooting for themselves, it reminded me of strategic warfare history. Combatants in the middle ages only fought for themselves on the field, but the Roman's were able to build their empire because they incorporated strategy and tactics in their combat by developing phalanxes and team tactics. It reinforced that team tactics are always superior than just shooting for yourself. Frontal/later assaults, surpressive fire, tactical egress will always be superior than just shooting for yourself when optional.
When you guys mentioned shooting through the wall, it made me think of that final battle in saving Private Ryan when that solder hears someone behind the wall walking up the stairs and first checks if its the ammo bearer "Upham" and then when he gets no reply he sends shots through the wall and then blood comes into the doorway. Your information about not always seeing the enemy was so interesting !!
There are subtitles. I watched the first episode back after noticing
Wagner group dud a dramatized version of the Siege of Bakhmut called, "Best in Hell". UA-cam banned it but it's on some of the alternative platforms. In typical Russian fashion, everyone on both sides dies.
You fuckers gotta rewatch this captions, sooo good. Awesome breakdown, thanks fellas
This is the kinda of video you get when you have someone review something without any background knowledge as to what the film is about.
Like asking some accountant judge how well a science paper is written
Great video guys, very enjoyed it.
Got a minor gripe though, at around 15:00, you criticise the lack of communication, but the guys in the 'movie' are talking about the fact that they are pinned and need to get out of there, but you didnt have the subtitles turned on ;) . They do have ENG SUBS version available
turn the subtitles on so you can understand what their communicating to their team
since 2007 in cod4 i started use massiv cover from concrete or brickwalls..started to avoid wood, drywalls, and tin....trees are not massiv enough at all just blocking normal shotgun shells... greets from a german plant technician ;)
I would be curious to a reaction to "the great raid" not a terrible movie, but it is a true story. Lots of tactics to break down in it. And thank you for all you guys do by the way!
Cool as always with the react's from you guys! Only thing i was missing in this was you're reaction to the Diska, everyone ive seen watching it have had a priceless reaction!! Keep up the good work guys!
*your -.-
This was an amazing breakdown, i think its good to remember that both the russian side and the American side arent exactly military operators. They are more like private contractors, so they most likely wouldnt know all of the ins and outs like you two do.
Also they have full subtitles for the film which shows they are constantly making call-outs amd communicating between team members.
No, this wasn't an amazing breakdown. And the reason why is they didn't have any context about this "movie" they were watching. And don't they know anything about subtitles? Jeez, there are 3 people in that react room and none of them think of turning subtitles on so they can understand what's going on in video?
5:27 "wall banging" as we call it in Tarkov is a real thing, and is also dependant on how soft or hard your rounds are (for likelihood of penetration). Ironically it is a very overlooked tactic in the game itself.
As a guy that plays games like tarkov and rainbow six siege I will say that I find it kinda chilling that cqb is similar between real life and games because in high level rainbow 6, 1 person is gonna be shot but it is up to your teammate to finish the gunfight.
Amazing episode would love to see more parts of this and longer form episodes if possible. I love y'all s stuff!
you guys are not watching the sub title version, then you would know what they say or get some people that speak it, i will translate for you
The whistle gives you a split second to hit the dirt
Damn these guys are on fire!
I hope they keep watching Tarkov AND SEAL TEAM
Seen so many fast guys talking shit about the shooting thru walls scene, they all brought up SOPs and rules, none of them said that crucial word "survive". Props.
And here I was thinking they watch the hip firing, ratting, running and jumping around that happens in EFT. 😁
But this was great, too! Interesting things you brought up. 👌
So i went and started watching the "movie" with subtitles. It makes more sense and shows they weren't just shooting in a stalemate. They were, at various points, STUCK while trying to get injured guys out or get pinned down guys oit, or getting sandwiched between two forces (USEC and scavs).
Does anyone know if their full length reaction to the whole Raid series exists (perhaps on their patreon?), or is this 35 min clip basically it?
this is awesome i never would have met you guys probably ever but i’ve played EFT for years and love / HATe it lol it’s the best ever PVPVE hard-core looter shooter anyways i have subbed keep up the great work 🎉
First of all thank you for your service, and the service you continue to do. Second there were 2 other movies I can think of that had shooting through walls, 1 Saving Private Ryan, and another I can't remember the name but I think Charlie Sheen was in it and it was Special Forces in Lebanon.
click CC on the video yall watched
13:54 like another guy mentioned, the reason they didnt leave is because the main character was arguing to them that there is a trap and that they are pushing them back for a reason, you would have known if the cc is on also the guy threw his rifle away because it got shot i think? he said it "fucked" but yea that was unrealisic lol
Subtitles on the Tarkov movie wouldve been great a lil more detail wouldve been nicer for them to know on what they misunderstood like the russian's gun got shot off his hands or what not
16:30 - That's why the subtitles are for! They're literally just a click away, but nuhuh let's ignore that.
Awesome flick! You guys should seriously consider reviewing this movie called "ELITE SQUAD". It's based on the Brazilian Special Forces Group called B.O.P.E. They operate in the favelas in Rio De Janeiro. That would be interesting to see you guy's take.
That is an awesome movie. Elite Squad 2 is even better! Both films are amazing.
I agree, really good movies. A real perspective of how the favelas are in Brasil and what the special ops group BOPE have to deal with. @@billywashere6965
It's been awhile since I have watched this movie. My understanding is that the people who produced the game Escape from Tarkov. Also produced this movie. My understanding is that former Spetznas. Were the military advisors.
14:20 just saying I know this is just a movie for fun but they did explain they should run out back and get out, and one responded that they shouldn't because they for sure plan on us running and are set up for an ambush
If you turn on closed captions they are in English or cna be in English
We had green berets teach us that in fort bliss out near white sands, but we had engineering tape, tied to the little handle on our iotv in the back. So you could sling the tape around you, and drag your teammate if in the situation.
This was back in ‘10/11 so I’m sure they made it way better.
I lived in the Bx years ago. I have seen the poor man’s armored vehicle. Fill the trunk and back seat with bundled newspaper. Don’t know if it worked but I have seen it.
14:00 I think by "Tactical Retreat" what you really meant was "Advancing to the rear." As Capt. Peter Quincy Taggart was known to say "Never give up, never surrender!"
I remember, at the end, when the heavy MG cuts through some soldiers behind the car, one of them his head explodes, I think, the sound was impressive, whole thing kinda scary
Thank you guys, now is time to review "Elite Squad" from 2007!!
About the slinging your rifle part. A interview with Marcus Luttrell spoke about losing his rifle at one point because if he would have had it sling it would have broke more bones maybe even killing him.
My favourite part of these isn’t the actual review it’s the stories we hear from these legends, have learnt so much just from listening to the stories. Keep up the great work gentlemen 🤙🏻🤙🏻💪🏻
Strike Back Series - started in 2010, not the BBC series before. skinmax got ahold of it and made it fun. After a few seasons, it went off because actors went on to movies. Then fans brought back 4-5 more seasons a few years later ---- yes, ridiculous circumstances
The tarkov movie is made by russians so a lot of their tactics and ttp's are based on what they do given that some of their production are ex RU mil and sof. It's nice to see the difference between western and RU tactics. They also made it to where there are Russian PMCs fighting western PMCs so the americans gotta be the lesser force against their own.
Tarkov is legit the best game ever though. Still in beta for almost a decade but still an amazing game. Most in depth shooter ever.
I was always told that if we get stuck in a firefight in a hallway and the hallway is long enough, throw a grenade down the hallway. Obviously you have to take into consideration what the house is made out etc because of shrapnel.
If you guys want to watch good realistic war movie movie i suggest the 1981 Das Boot , its about a german WW2 submarine and its crew. The best war movie i have ever seen !
Hell yeah.
@@Marauder1981 i hope they will do a reaction to Das Boot because its the most realistic movie i have ever seen and with the backstage stories i learned of how they made the movie it became my No1 favorite movie! (sorry if a made a mistake English isnt my language)
11:18 He had a sling but he was in a shit position and quickly switched hands whilst shooting. So when he was running he didn’t have time to sling the rifle again
At 11:00 I agree BUT, quite a bit of others I know always run without a it slung
Great episode- really enjoyed it guys!
I have trained with many people, different slings etc. I single point a rifle a lot (I was left handed left eye dominant) or no sling attached unless I start running. But working in Ukraine, Ukraine and Russians run unslinged a lot,even SSO(special forces)
Regarding them staying in the same position, they were communicating and they had 2 of their guys in an open position tryna get out of there, so they were covering for them and tryna fix their buddy
turn on subtitles guys
Why is the video being reviewed not the bigger image and you guys the smaller one, love looking at you guys but it's hard to watch on the phone.
OMG U GUYS ACTUALLY DID IT. U GUYS TOOK MY RECCOMENDATION
Tarkov is definitely a game that makes you think about the difference between concealment and cover.
Put the closed caption on and they’ll give you the Englishisky translation
Had a mate of mine not have a sling on his styer on deployment, our sop was to run the sling thru our seatbelt on our patrol vehicles... we went over a bump and his rifle went flying out to a bunch of confused civilans in SI lol
You guys totally missed that there is subtitles available for this.
Yeah, wish you would have subtitles on
Regarding the weapon throw and slings. He had a sling on his gun it just wasnt wrapped on him. It looked like he thought it was around him.
You guys linking up with a military tarkov streamer would be awesome
Honestly my uncle(he a gulf war veteran)had the same reaction as you guys but his face lit when how well it was done
its in englisha nd russian because thats how the game is setup. BEAR (russian)and USEC(us)