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  • @JohnBartholomewChess
    @JohnBartholomewChess  Рік тому +69

    59:21 Gonna put this position on my tombstone

  • @instacat1112
    @instacat1112 Рік тому +50

    I'm around 1800 FIDE. I greatly enjoy your blitz and bullet, but these classical matches are incredibly educational. Thanks, Mr. John!

  • @DaSoulSlasher
    @DaSoulSlasher Рік тому +47

    I don’t play chess but I like watching your videos. Something therapeutic about it

    • @BrokenG-String
      @BrokenG-String Рік тому +14

      That radio station voice 😆

    • @JayceFisher
      @JayceFisher Рік тому +3

      Me 2

    • @nivagnoswal
      @nivagnoswal Рік тому +4

      I do play chess, but I often have this on in the background...I like the ambience it creates and i find it very relaxing...

  • @nickd5422
    @nickd5422 Рік тому +4

    These kinds of tense, complicated, closed positions always get me. I get overwhelmed calculating all the variations, and inevitably make a mistake. It's good to see how John navigates them.

  • @goldenlion3184
    @goldenlion3184 Рік тому +3

    It's great to see you work through an incredibly complicated position like this. It helps to see how you approach the thought process!

  • @elbirdo_insoko
    @elbirdo_insoko Рік тому +14

    John, I found the analysis completely fascinating as we saw how "bad" some of your moves were from an engine point of view, and especially how well you took the feedback on board. I'm sure I'm not alone in dreading the analysis phase where I'm forced to confront all of my errors and start to get down on myself for "obvious" silly mistakes. It really helps to see how you acknowledge your limitations and take positive lessons from every analysis. Thanks once again for the amazing content! ~a guy

  • @jasit
    @jasit Рік тому +2

    I'm sooooo delighted to see John making new standard games videos. He explains his thoughts during the game so clearly. Fantastic and very instructive content. I hope that new videos will be posted regularly :) Thank you mr. Bartholomew!

  • @dragonoid296
    @dragonoid296 Рік тому +12

    The engine analysis was insane. Probably one of the most interesting games on the channel

  • @emregeylani
    @emregeylani Рік тому +3

    Great game & analysis John, this was one of your best content. Kudos to CarriCarri as well, he played an amazing game. As a ~2K lichess player, I generally don't want to trade my Q with two Rs. It feels like position will get sharp too quickly.

  • @DeathEaterLink
    @DeathEaterLink Рік тому +5

    Crazy that such an accurate game to my eye (barring the Qf1 move ofc) is such a blunderfest to the deific stockfish

  • @sailorjerry3720
    @sailorjerry3720 Рік тому +1

    It feels like you've posted more this January than you have all 2022 and it's great!
    Thanks, John!

  • @Xmask19
    @Xmask19 Рік тому +52

    petition for john to show us cool mating patterns for 15 minutes

    • @firebug3256
      @firebug3256 Рік тому +3

      I could watch John show us cool mating patterns for as long as he was willing to. That position with the stacked tripled e pawns for both white and black was also nuts.

  • @TamNguyen-zy2dq
    @TamNguyen-zy2dq Рік тому +12

    REALLY good standard game, John… prob the best one yet. real high level, tense chess!

  • @equal___
    @equal___ Рік тому +8

    loved the long form analysis of the end game, really starting to see how coordinating pieces even if you don''t have a clear plan can come in handy

  • @ariterjanian5000
    @ariterjanian5000 Рік тому +3

    Fantastic game and analysis! Instructive and complex

  • @carlofierens3773
    @carlofierens3773 Рік тому +12

    Thank you for your videos, John. They mean the world to us! Best chess content on UA-cam, period.

  • @ericsmtbadventures9
    @ericsmtbadventures9 Рік тому +3

    I love your rapid and classical time control games with heavy commentary, thanks John!

  • @rleon01
    @rleon01 Рік тому +7

    Awesome that you have been consistently videos again. Really enjoying it. Thanks 👍🏽

  • @brookelovett2847
    @brookelovett2847 Рік тому +4

    That was quite the wild west shootout! Losing that F pawn was devastating. Thanks for all the juicy content John

  • @jonshive5482
    @jonshive5482 Рік тому +6

    Wow. What a nail-biter! All kindsa possibilities in a mostly closed position. Don't think my nerves would last long in something like this. The draw was well-earned (and most likely welcomed) by both players. Thanks for instructive entertainment John.

  • @nimbatchelor8684
    @nimbatchelor8684 Рік тому +4

    Wow, what a game! Thanks for the recent UA-cam content. Very educational-as always.

  • @nomvanhoutte1998
    @nomvanhoutte1998 Рік тому +5

    So glad you're posting these longer games, this one was super interesting. You're analysis is without par. Thanks for all you do.

  • @marlowe5511
    @marlowe5511 Рік тому +7

    great stuff john, always really informative watching you play a skilled, high rated opponent

  • @andrewmckay2153
    @andrewmckay2153 Рік тому +30

    So glad your back regularly John! Loving the new videos. Keep it up man!

    • @SuperYtc1
      @SuperYtc1 Рік тому +4

      His back does what regularly?

  • @xhulioxhelilai9346
    @xhulioxhelilai9346 Рік тому +2

    Great video John. You presented perfectly your thought process. Very helpful and educative. Nice job!

  • @williammartinjoel2295
    @williammartinjoel2295 Рік тому +2

    I love these Standard videos!! Keep them coming, I learn a lot from watching these!

  • @gyrex
    @gyrex Рік тому +2

    Thanks for another amazing video John. These longer format games are so valuable.

  • @fuadyhidayat
    @fuadyhidayat Рік тому +3

    Always grateful to learn something from your explanations, John. Keep it up!

  • @ChessAndKungFu
    @ChessAndKungFu Рік тому +2

    Really helpful to hear your thought process, especially here, since I play these openings for white and for black. Thank you!

  • @jonahklees8637
    @jonahklees8637 Рік тому +4

    Top notch video John! My thoughts on Q trade were that you’d have to eventually give up that b pawn to get the knight in the game (so technically even material) and if he can stay solid with his pieces by his king with his bishop protecting c8 his queen and extra pawn on the queen side seemed unpleasant. That said I’m sure you could still draw it. Keep up the great work!

    • @JohnBartholomewChess
      @JohnBartholomewChess  Рік тому +5

      Thanks for your comment and feedback, Jonah! Hope you've been doing well lately - appreciate you watching.

  • @islamadam8502
    @islamadam8502 Рік тому +3

    It's quite nice to see you again on a regular basis 👍 Nice sweater by the way 😎

  • @luciano3141618
    @luciano3141618 Рік тому +2

    Another amazing educational game, commentary and analysis.

  • @andreastornes25
    @andreastornes25 Рік тому +4

    Fantastic game and analysis! Watched from beginning to end and the hour flew by! Great to have you active on YT again! I would also have gone for the two rooks, looked good :) I was thinking rook f to c1 in order to have rab1 available to support b pawn push~ GG and well played by both :)

  • @jakedesmond5107
    @jakedesmond5107 Рік тому +2

    Always a lift in my day when I see a standard video!! Thanks John :)

  • @jhamberg1043
    @jhamberg1043 Рік тому +2

    Great game and analysis! These slower time controls with tough pairing is really a treat to watch. I would have not gone for 2 rooks vs. queen, it seemed a bit difficult to coordinate. But I guess lower rated players usually don't take that road :) Great that you tube content is back, long time fan starting from those ICC games and three videos per day.

  • @stegozavr171
    @stegozavr171 Рік тому +2

    Really interesting game, it's really instructive to hear your explanations and thought process during it)

  • @GoudaLips
    @GoudaLips Рік тому +1

    Great to see you posting new content to UA-cam again!

  • @Nick_Bc
    @Nick_Bc Рік тому +4

    Thanks for uploading these regularly, i was starting to miss them :)

    • @jonshive5482
      @jonshive5482 Рік тому

      I'd long since given up hope. What an unexpected pleasure this is.

  • @83gh
    @83gh Рік тому +1

    Thank you for all your content, John!
    Interestingly, 10. c5 fails to a surprising intermezzo 10... Nxf4! threatening a fork on e2, and white is forced to recapture 11. gxf4 if they don't want to lose either the b pawn (11. Qxf4 Qxb2) or the c pawn (11. cxb6 Nxe2+ 12. Kh1 Nxc2 13. bxa7 Nd3 14. axb8=Q Rxb8)

  • @walterlotte4215
    @walterlotte4215 Рік тому

    This one was very enjoyable to watch. The complexity of the game and the depth of the thought processes were astounding.

  • @Behzood1
    @Behzood1 Рік тому +2

    Love these, John! Thank you!

  • @johncook8900
    @johncook8900 Рік тому +3

    Not qualified to comment on the queen vs the 2 rooks here, but this was SO FUN to watch! Thanks for talking through it.

  • @zawzawz88
    @zawzawz88 Рік тому

    VERY instructive game! I particularly liked the middle game when you were talking at length about some positional ideas, like comparing the quality of pieces for both sides and how to think about the pawn tension. Highly valuable insights into the thought process of a master in an unclear position.

  • @thedarksoulsveteran
    @thedarksoulsveteran Рік тому +2

    Thanks for another quality & instructive video JB

  • @jasonmckinney8166
    @jasonmckinney8166 Рік тому +5

    Wow what a game!! SO instructive :)

  • @hansgruber9093
    @hansgruber9093 Рік тому

    Wow what a great game John, fascinating to see how the pair of rooks stacks up against the queen, and then later the 3 pieces. Great tactics, great battle at the end. Please keep up these longer time frames & especially against similarly high rated opponents, it's some of the best chess content around. Thanks!

  • @johnstevenson9956
    @johnstevenson9956 Рік тому +5

    You're light years ahead of me and I've learned so much from you, but I never would have traded that Queen off because that Bishop to F8 just threw cold water on the Rook.

  • @francescovanspronsen404
    @francescovanspronsen404 Рік тому +6

    Those tripled pawns made me laugh so hard

  • @fascinatingfactsabout
    @fascinatingfactsabout Рік тому +1

    I really like this longer games format, made me want to play more classical on Lichess :D
    I saw b4 in a game btw and struggled to explain to myself why you weren't worried about it, decided I'm not smart enough to see how tactically you had it covered or something. Glad to see the engine says I was right :P

  • @sirnacane9929
    @sirnacane9929 18 днів тому

    I've been watching your standard videos for years now and the past few weeks I've been watching the most recent ones and I gotta say, the 15+15 time control has made for absolutely fascinating games. I watched #300 Ruy Lopez Rumble the other night and it's my favorite so far. It slows the pace down just enough for a pinch of extra quality over the 15+2/15+10/etc. other time controls on this playlist. If you ever start making these again I would definitely vote for this pace.
    As a much much lower rated player I've noticed that you really try to push some ideas, not necessarily to their limit, but much further than I do myself. I was shouting for a Rfd1 early on simply because it seemed that was the only piece not doing anything and development is drilled into my head but you kept doing other things and they usually end up being correct. I saw Qf1+ right before you pushed your f-pawn at the end and was heartbroken, but shows I've learned something after watching so many of these since I think that's the first move I've ever noticed myself that you missed, which is saying something considering how many of these I've watched (and how much easier it is to notice things when you're not actually the one playing).

  • @JesusGreenBL
    @JesusGreenBL 7 місяців тому +1

    Great example of how complicating the position can be useful especially when you're down, because it got so complicated towards the end that you both made mistakes. One of my favourite games I've watched on this channel.

  • @westofwahpeton4692
    @westofwahpeton4692 Рік тому +3

    Wow great game, fun to see one with no early simplification.

  • @TheN00bPolice
    @TheN00bPolice Рік тому +2

    I didn’t realise you were uploading more often, need to get that notification bell going!

  • @bgtopteam
    @bgtopteam Рік тому +1

    You are the best, John. Keep up these it is way better against high rated oppnents

  • @stanleym796
    @stanleym796 Рік тому

    Wow! This was a crazy game. To answer your question in the video, I definitely would not have traded the queen for the 2 rooks but the appeal is definitely there with the knight covering the f7 square. I think you mentioned earlier in the game that you were the one with the positive tension and I think that makes sense as to why you should play some sort of rook move like Rfd1. Great content as always John!!! Keep these coming!!!

  • @brant25
    @brant25 Рік тому

    It's been 4 or 5 years that I do the treadmill at the gym watching these standard videos. I've watched them all at least twice. Nice to have some new ones😅 You are aewsome John!
    Btw, my online rating always goes up when I'm hitting the gym more often

  • @sinan4833
    @sinan4833 Рік тому +2

    Great, thank you John!

  • @robdubent
    @robdubent Рік тому +2

    I immediately didn’t like the Q trade for the rooks. I liked Rb1 to just keep building tension! If you invert the board and look from your opponent’s pov (I do that often, even otb in tournaments I will get up and stand behind my opponent on occasion quitely to see) I’m sure thinks it’s quite intimidating! I think he was relieved after the trade. But I’m not quite an IM and wasn’t under time pressure 😊

  • @cjtakoz
    @cjtakoz Рік тому

    I struggle in super closed, sharp positions so I found this video especially interesting. Thanks John

  • @byronstone386
    @byronstone386 Рік тому +4

    To answer your question around 56:27
    I was thinking of closing the position with c5, then maybe capturing on c6 and rerouting the a3 Knight
    Personally I would've been skeptical going for the imbalance of 2 rooks for the queen unless I was sure it led to mate or something

  • @stephenl7048
    @stephenl7048 Рік тому

    What an interesting game, and so well explained. I was thinking of 13b4 to gain space, as if Qxb4 then 14Rb1 picks up the b pawn. If 13...a6 you can guard the b4 pawn and line the R against the Q with Rb1, and strengthen the pawn advancing to b5 at some stage. I think your opponent's long think at move 17 was over the idea 17...dxc4. After 18d5, which you well discussed, he has the move Nxe5 with Nf3+ to follow with a discovery on the white queen. If here 19fxe5 Bxe5 20dxe6 Bxc3 21Bxb6 Bb2 it looks like a roughly equal mess, but 19Bxb6 Nf3+ 20Rxf3 Bxc3 21Rfxc3 refutes the whole line. He had also to calculate (in this line) 20Qxe5 Qxe3+ 21Kh1 Bxd5, and be sure that it was winning, all of which is why I think he "went into the tank", and finally played the better rac8.

  • @snared_
    @snared_ Рік тому

    Anyone else watch this with engine and look directly at john to try to figure out whether or not he is seeing the evaluation? I know that's not what is happening since he is a master, but watching the game in this way is very entertaining on a human level. Always watching these vids with the engine and skipping around is the way to consume chess content best! Cheers all!

  • @ethan3038
    @ethan3038 Рік тому +1

    To answer your question at 57:00 John, I evaluated taking both rooks as better for black just because I couldn’t figure out how to deal with this knight on a3 which seemed pretty permanently bad

  • @brandonpeterson6306
    @brandonpeterson6306 Рік тому

    This was one of your most interesting games. Lots of fun and wacky stuff. Thanks for the videos!

  • @fredkaboom
    @fredkaboom Рік тому

    Wow, what a game! So sharp that both sides had to use almost all of their time. Too bad about losing the f-pawn, but also shows how universal it is to make a move and immediately go "oh no!"

  • @antonrandahl1174
    @antonrandahl1174 Рік тому

    Great stuff as always John! My intuition said not to go for the two tooks for the queen but then again my intuition said fxe in that previous game so I thaught you knew best here as well. My style would have been c5 (also even before b5) there but my slow style has often got me in positions where eventually I do not know what to do anymore.

  • @heavyhands1383
    @heavyhands1383 Рік тому +1

    Hell yes. Keep em coming!

  • @goldcat3688
    @goldcat3688 Рік тому +1

    Hey John, great video as usual! Thanks for all the content lately ;) also I do have a weird request, I commented on one of your videos a while back (standard #103) and asked for a book you mentioned in the video. I come back every once in a while and check (pun intended) for an answer, would definitely appreciate it if you find time to go back to the video and help me out ;) love you John!

  • @willsutton3184
    @willsutton3184 Рік тому +1

    Wow fun game to watch, tons of interesting positions.. unfortunate the clock came into play otherwise it would have been fun to see some imbalance technique.. personally I like the queen over two rooks since it seems like a trickier piece to have.

  • @stevevogt1328
    @stevevogt1328 Рік тому

    Man i would've collapsed in that middle game lol. So much tension, awesome game!

  • @hellomynameisaustinw
    @hellomynameisaustinw Рік тому +1

    Thanks john that was really interesting

  • @RobinZuFALL
    @RobinZuFALL Рік тому

    Love it! Youre right longer time formats are best. For me (~1600 rapid) it is more educational when you play higher rated oponennts like this one. Watching you destroying 1000 lower rated enemy doesnt give me that much.

  • @zekeslavens
    @zekeslavens Рік тому

    This - this is the reason we love John.

  • @davidmbonu4718
    @davidmbonu4718 Рік тому

    Incredibly interesting game. I will say I did not agree with the Queen for 2 rooks. In my head I just didn't see it the same way. The way I looked at the position, blacks rooks were quite dormant and doing very little in cramped space while your queen was synchronizing a lot of the harmony of the white position. Because of this the trade struck me as wrong, and I didn't see the rooks being that dangerous as there wasn't much room for infiltration. That's my take purely on the Queen exchange. During the vid I was quite sure the engine would disagree it was better for white, however you clearly proved your point by creating havoc for black to deal with. Awesome game! - NM David Mbonu

  • @samwade4456
    @samwade4456 Рік тому

    Great vid. Love the standard chess series

  • @coreydanni4485
    @coreydanni4485 Рік тому

    Thank you for the videos. I missed the standard time formats.

  • @faznaz7455
    @faznaz7455 Рік тому +1

    I personally dislike the Queen for 2 rooks decision. With more time black may have figured out a concrete plan to exploit white’s lack of coordination which is the key issue here. For example, the knight stranded on a3 does not leave a good impression which struggles to find useful squares. In the meantime black is quick to coordinate and launch an assault on the White pieces. However with less time, this option is certainly plausible to me. Also in making such a decision, the context of my opponent and tournament also matters.

  • @danjeory3659
    @danjeory3659 Рік тому +1

    Almost John's immortal game!

  • @michaelf8221
    @michaelf8221 Рік тому +1

    I wouldn't have traded the queen for two rooks because your king is honestly a little too unsafe and the position is a little too open for me to trust it. Reminds me of two games: Carlsen - Nepo WCC game 6, and the online banter blitz where Dubov and Nepo are doing hand and brain. In the second one, Nepo is like "don't you like winning material?" to Dubov, who replies, "but you're down a queen!"

  • @Tom-ow6gw
    @Tom-ow6gw Рік тому +1

    Wow, what a cool game. One of the more interesting ones on your channel. Unfortunate ending, but you played a great game. I would not have traded the queen for two rooks, but only because I’m not confident at playing those positions

  • @Koerq
    @Koerq Рік тому

    Fascinating game. Thx for the content.

  • @TimeisaSquigglyLine
    @TimeisaSquigglyLine Рік тому

    Hindsight is 20/20, but I think there is a way to rule out the option of trading queen for rooks: The knight on a3 is badly placed and should be improved before making the game open and unbalanced.
    During the game I thought the current position was pretty confusing, so I would have maybe also gone for the trade of queen for rooks just to clarify things.
    Cool game!

  • @zwishking6032
    @zwishking6032 Рік тому

    54:00 - I'm proud to have come up with b4 on my own :) I thought it was a nice way to build space without wasting time.

  • @pat_attack
    @pat_attack Рік тому +2

    Great game

  • @jakuva5722
    @jakuva5722 Рік тому +1

    Super complicated position which could be analyzed for years. I learned a lot in the analysis to.

    • @JohnBartholomewChess
      @JohnBartholomewChess  Рік тому +1

      Yes! As humans we can only hope to scratch the surface in these insanely complex positions :)

  • @Alabastrova
    @Alabastrova Рік тому +2

    Best series!

  • @nocurve2329
    @nocurve2329 Рік тому +1

    Good game. I think anyone would have gone for trading the q for 2 r given the time situation.

  • @Vulturesss314
    @Vulturesss314 Рік тому +1

    Excellent game!

  • @statma4274
    @statma4274 Рік тому

    This was awesome John. I agreed with your decision to play c x d5 and play two rooks against the queen. But I’m merely 1750 rapid on lichess so what do I know. Keep up the great work

  • @mattprout8872
    @mattprout8872 Рік тому

    Very interesting game. Kh4 is such a finesse move!

  • @TeeGar
    @TeeGar Рік тому

    White's objective is to form the en potence at once and afterward to establish the grand left oblique, while the minor crochet covers the right wing against the adverse major front echelon. The minor left oblique refused is inferior to all strategic fronts directed either by the right or by the left or by the right refused..

  • @John-g6x1h
    @John-g6x1h 9 місяців тому +1

    Playing 7. NA3 I thought, I'm going to need something stronger than coffee to get this. In fact, there were precious few moves throughout the game that I might have predicted.

  • @feelgoodfashion
    @feelgoodfashion Рік тому

    I really like this guy, that was entertaining, well, I am ELO 1100, so it was over my head, but he talks clearly and intelligently.

  • @jacobtarallo7079
    @jacobtarallo7079 Рік тому

    Really interesting game! I thought 13. Rd1 was a good way to keep the coordination and tension. Overprotect d4 while not committing to anything crazy.

  • @KF1
    @KF1 Рік тому

    Great game, though vid was hard to watch. I noticed a lot of interruption ads in this one compared to the usual pre and post ads. Will make sure to watch on a device with adblock for next time so I can follow without interruption

  • @chessism93
    @chessism93 Рік тому +2

    Gives me immense pleasure to tell you that I never would've gone for that queen for 2 rooks decision. Also that I spotted the Kh4 idea to avoid checks. Your videos kinda make me feel like even I could be an IM if I took my time thinking about the moves ...

    • @nklristic
      @nklristic Рік тому +5

      There was a video from ChessDojo, in their endgame sensei series. Two IMs were playing out the endgame against each other, an endgame from 2 world class players, one of which was a world champion Petrosian. After the game, GM Kraai asked them what do they think Petrosian played in a certain position. They thought for a while and got the answer wrong. On the other hand, I guessed right a backward knight move that puts the knight on the 1st rank. Sometimes one could see a move that very strong players don't, especially when one is watching the video and is under no pressure. I was happy of course, but in itself it doesn't mean much.
      John has this logical style, at least it looks that way to me, and his moves seems natural, so when you are watching, you have the illusion that spotting those moves is easy. But then you sit and play yourself and you play in accordance with your own strength (doesn't matter if that strength is 400 or 2200). You might find one move, maybe even 5 moves or even more if you are a very good player, but you can't be consistent like that throughout the game. And if you are really great amateur player and you get one such game, you need to do it in another game, and then another...
      That kind of consistency is what makes him IM.

    • @chessism93
      @chessism93 Рік тому +1

      @@nklristic You didn't have to break the bubble so soon

    • @nklristic
      @nklristic Рік тому

      @@chessism93 Of course, all of what I've said doesn't mean you can't progress very far. :)

  • @nevanthywolf
    @nevanthywolf Рік тому

    That was a cool ending

  • @zwishking6032
    @zwishking6032 Рік тому

    the vids keep coming! I am pleased.

  • @danielmoore1077
    @danielmoore1077 Рік тому

    Loving the videos John!

  • @skaarphy5797
    @skaarphy5797 Рік тому +2

    Great video. I would hope that John would play 2000+ players a bit more often. I have to say I don't find it very instructive or interesting to see him mopping the floor with a 1200 player. There just isn't much to say. Some comments about opening choices, maybe a comment or two about strategic choices, then typically followed by a blunder and game over. Here on the other hand, so rich, and so fascinating to follow his thoughts and weigh them against your own ...

    • @jonshive5482
      @jonshive5482 Рік тому

      Same here. Nothing like seeing evenly matched quality players going at it toe-to-toe.

    • @mikaelplaysguitar
      @mikaelplaysguitar Рік тому +1

      Have you gone through all 298 standard videos yet? It's a goldmine and sounds like the exact thing you're looking for.

    • @jonshive5482
      @jonshive5482 Рік тому

      @@mikaelplaysguitar Pretty much yeah. Don't bother with under-1800 opponents though; don't consider them to be proper contests.