iPhone 15 Pro Review: A17 Pro is Powerful, But Should Be More Efficient!
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Produced by Yunfei Chu.
Maybe the deepest review you can find on A17 Pro...
We got our hands on iPhone 15 series this time! We're all curious about the new 3nm chip, A17 Pro. How fast is A17 Pro? What about power efficiency? Or gaming performance? Can we actually run Resident Evil on iPhone? And how useful is MetalFX Upscaling? Let's check it out...
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Video Chapters
0:00 Intro
2:03 Architecture Analysis
2:48 SPEC CPU 2017 Deep Analysis
10:00 CPU Efficiency
11:19 GPU Efficiency
13:29 MetalFX Upscaling
14:51 Genshin Impact
16:20 Resident Evil: Village
18:30 Thermal & Battery Life
20:25 Stable Diffusion
21:07 Verdict - Наука та технологія
The fact you guys made this in just 3 days is incredible. major props to your team
emmmmm. actually ,this video's mandarin version has been already released 3 days ago
bro , you don't know how easy to make a different languege version these days@@MarcABrown-tt1fp
This video was out on day 1, in Chinese
@@danrichard5442😮
Watch my unboxing of the iPhone 15 Pro Max!! 🖤
Your videos are seriously by far and away the best testing standards for these devices! This needs so many more views!
FYI, their Chinese channel are more up to date and has started to include English subtitles since the last 10-20 videos.
@@Casualgaming-dw5gm what his chinese channel bro? mind share the link 🙏 thanks
@@shinnoke8 UA-cam do not allow links, search 极客湾
@@shinnoke8 极客湾Geekerwan
I think they are one of the best tech channel
Guys, I always love that you pay attention to what really matters and not to marketing noise. And making deep meaningful tests to find the truth. Keep it up! 🔥
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Your Power efficiency tests are the only tests on UA-cam that are actually useable and fantastic!
He's in my top 5 deep analysis tech UA-camrs, just incredible work that I greatly appreciate
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 what's your top 5 list? thanks
@@angeloa.lapizar8139who are the rest?
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 Please tell us the other 4 UA-camrs, we really need it
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 Can you name other deep analysis channels?
You are like +1M times more useful than any other tech channel could ever be. Thanks!
Agree. Make that +2M
a lot better than *cough* mkbhd *cough* , literally the most basic "tech" youtuber.
@@dx5784like reading the advertisement script
What about LTT?
With it's messed up graphs and sponsored segments 🤣
@@dx5784 mkbhd is a tech influencer at this point, not really a tech reviewer.
I wish more reviewers dove into performance like Geekerwan does. This really is the channel I look forward to watching the most when a high-end mobile chip is launched.
definitely dude！
Their results are inconsistent with what I experience in real life daily use.
the fact that they just make 2 different languages of a17pro analysis videos in a week is just amazing. Shout out to Geekerwan🔥
While others talk about a little button on the side, USB-C and 5x zoom this guys open a whole benchmark test suit on the thing.
This is absolutely top material when checking out smartphone hardware.
Way ahead of anything else and what most of us interested in the tech inside have been missing.
Anandtech still do deep dives on SOC architectural breakdown
And there's nothing wrong with talking about things like the new action button, the USBC, or the zoom. The average consumer doesn't care about in-depth chip analysis. They'd rather hear about the former features.
@@phothewin6019U commented in every threat lmao, tryhard apple fanboy
@@orionmobile6545 What threat? What are you waffling about lol?
Guys.... Where is your new video..... It's already been five months..... C'mon guys
This is a english channel,if you wang to see new videos you can search the @geekerwan 极客湾. That is their chinese channel
This is no doubt the most professional and in-depth review of the new iPhone's performance and efficiency. It makes other reviews look soooo shallow. Other reviewer simply talk about how it "feels" to use the phone, without showing almost any useful statistics. They really should aim for Geekerwan's level and step up.
While I like Geekerwan's technical deep dive, I still prefer how others talk about the real world usage and their personal input. If every tech review is just talking about the numbers then the whole platform is just having the same content
@@JohnDiew Numbers are not just numbers. How numbers are produced; what numbers to present, and how to make numbers meaningful and form a story. These are all important questions to answer, and believe me, every creator will have different ideas on that.
Geekerwan was the first channel to produce and organize the graph of the power-energy curve, and the actual performance of CPUs since SG888 aligned better with the curve than the single benchmark number. This is "different".
For the battery life test, Geekerwan produced the automated scripts/robotics arm to mimic people's daily activity of multi-tasking on multiple APPs, which is more meaningful than recording the time playing UA-cam videos as many reviewers did. And the number they produced simply aligns better.
That is the art of using numbers from Geekerwan. Of course, good reviewers like MKBHD are also necessary, and Geekerwan simply admits that they are not good at evaluating screens, cameras, sounds, etc.
But to be honest, cameras/sounds and many aspects of the phones can also be quantified and better presented to the customers. We actually need more professional reviewers on these aspects; similar to Geekerwan on SOC.
The only channel I can trust in terms of SoC performance. Thank you for delivering such an in-depth review again.
This is how reviews should be done, Bravo
Waited for the English Version
Apple is really drawing a lot of power. 😢
My friend change 15 pro max from 14 pro max , he got his phone today . He has used 8 hours , he said heat control not really good .
@@panpan7945I’m actually holding off picking up my phone watching this video…honestly it looks really bad unless the tests were faulty.
Again, it comes down to what you do on you phone. If it is something intensive, of course your phone will lose power considerably faster. Including tests can very from channel to channel.
Because what mainly matters is what you do with your phone and not what a test tells you. But do consider the fact iPhone battery life improves year by year, even if test results don't show that.
@@carsonlujan8134 eh the test he ran was fairly normal. It wasn’t a pure gaming test or anything like that. I expect bad battery life from any phone or device when gaming.
So yeah….if this holds up post release there’s gonna be a lot of angry customers
@@jonathanpusar5931 I'll admit I'm not impressed either but consider that iOS 17 is still new. Give it some updates and things will improve, since I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
The only channel who's processer reviews I care for❤❤
I second that
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This channel deserves more. I believe you guys are the most reliable source of information that the phone manufacturers rarely talks about.
Your channel is a godsend, I've been wanting reviews that are technical and in-depth instead of just a surface level overview.
They are planning to comr back soon! They just posted a vacancy for Geekerwan English channel supervisor few days ago on their Chinese socials.
Come back guys
They are coming back soon. They just posted a vacancy for Geekerwan English Channel Supervisor at Bilibili few days ago!
@@lj9683 Thanks for info bro. I'll be waiting for upcoming videos.
Mann, your review style is so good. I just discovered your channel, i have never seen this thoroughness for phone performance and battery life reviews
You and your team are awesome
Absolute quality content, no other phone benchmark channel comes close!
I love your in-depth coverage! Keep it up!
finally. Was waiting for this! Thanks guys!
Amazing and detailed analysis as always! The only one doing proper SOC reviews. My takeaway is pretty much, not much has been improved, the E-Cores are actually quite impressive, and the soft eng and graphic programmers have done a phenomenal job, porting an actual game on a phone. Hell, you could run RE8 on the A15 just fine, but is gimped by ram. Also, while the chips quickly thermal throttles, I am amazed how it can run the game at a playable 30fps, ~4W.
That part is less surprising if you’ve been paying attention to gaming performance on MacBook Airs ever since the M1. It’s limited by Mac OS, but the games that run natively are impressive.
These smartphones can easily compete with x86 laptops (the iPad has been beating Windows in raw performance vs Intel for awhile).
@@jonathanpusar5931 That's true. At the end of the day, it all comes down to physics. I feel like they should discover more paths to dissipate all that heat quicker, efficiently (well know that I think about it, some android phones do this pretty well). Then again, idk if we've already hit that ceiling with such small devices.
@@NootNoot. I’m hoping these results are due to poor optimization pre release (as it’s only officially released today, and there’s already an iOS 17 update).
If not…oof. I really think we’ve finally hit the end of the road for real computing performance boost without a new technological or engineering breakthrough.
@@jonathanpusar5931 Classic software update cope. /s aside, Apple tends to do this better than android, so I'm sure we'll some sort of improvement. Although, just keeping expectations low
@@NootNoot. less cope more hope lol. It would suck for us to be stuck with only tock improvements….
I always look forward to your reviews when a new phone releases! Love the in depth testing! You guys go above and beyond for us! Can't wait for your video on Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👏🏼
8Gen3 In their Chinese chanel
Epic video as always, thanks for all the hard work you put into this
You guys make really good comparison videos .will be checking out more of em.
Incredible video, been waiting for a long time for a video like this to come out. Thank you for all of your hard work!
True benchmark review 👌 keep up !
While other YT channels have the capacity to just talk about battery efficiency and SoC performance this is the only channel that shows and knows how it should be done.
As always awesome video and really shows the depth of knowledge you guys have. I have rarely come across another channel that is as technically capable as you guys are. After watching your videos the other channels who claim to be "tech reviewers" just seem like social network celebrities to me.
Yeah, this is what "tech review" is, not just showing glamour shots of the device and talking how nice you find it.
Actual tech review is hard which is why others can't or don't want to do it and just prefer to talk on surface level features. That is why it is great having guys like this that put in the effort.
The fact that this channel has only 220k subscribers boggles me. Very underrated channel.
@@johntitor6851 True
These videos are incredibly informative. Thank you
I've been waiting for this. Thank you!
What happened bro why you not uploading videos 🤔
Geekerwan has been continuously updating videos in the Chinese channel, along with English subtitles. However, it seems that Geekerwan only recreates English versions of some large-scale videos, so it may still take some time....
Great and objective review! You are one of the few reviewers that I have faith in their opinions.
I love these in depth mobile processor reviews. These are better than pretty much anything else I've found
This is the video I was looking for, congratulations!
You guys got me sweatin during this two-week return window! lol
Was really hoping for better thermal performance outdoors. Screen-dimming/overheating was my main reason for upgrading.
Was waiting for your review 😅
Love your reviews and other content.
amazing review man!! love the detailed breakdown with SPEC CPU
Thanks for the English version, I can't wait for you to compare the A17 with the 8g3 and D9300 in a couple months. Also hope you can test MetalFX Upscaling vs Qualcomm's GSR
D9300 is the one with all big cores, right?
@@aItaccount The D9300 is X4+X4+A720, no A520. But then again Apple's E cores+L2 are larger than the A720+L2
Metal fx is probably better its hardware based gsr is based on fsr 1
@@vincelongman3264 I thought it had 4 X4 cores
@@aItaccount Yes, but it will be 1x X4 + 3x X4. Similar to previous 1+3+4 setups
😮This guy is the final Boss of phones benchmark testing 🔥
Amazing video as always! I always eager to see your videos pop up on my feed everytime a phone manufacturer release a new series.
This the most crazy and deep analysis without any bias to these iphone 15 series. You are doing awesome
It’s difficult to say there isn’t any improvement when at its peak the A17 is a monster it just drains the battery. Would be great to see if a software update can help some of this
You either get battery or performance, but not both. That is the whole point of power efficiency that Apple used to emphasize.
This is one of the most professional and powerful iPhone processor performance reviews on UA-cam!
I casually check your channel for new videos and sometimes I rewatch old videos. Superb work.
Thank you for this video! Again it was Super cool to watch and to see all those graphs and details!
You are giga monsters. For me, you're the best tech youtuber on smartphones. Your videos are of our level compared to other youtubers, it's impressive. They show how well you've mastered the subject. In any case thank you for this very intersecting video.
I think it's not TSMC fault for not being good at improving to a better 3nm process, this is Apple's own choice to use a not-ready 3nm process, they knew it would be bad but keep pushing anyway.
TSMC will make a better 3nm process, but should be 6 months plus from now.
Awesome analysis, I watched both of your Chinese and English version, can't get enough of it haha
In fact, it only turns in A18/19, that’s because TSMC had problems with N3, so it only had improvements in Density and not efficiency.
Yeah, Apple's using N3B, N3 or N3X is not ready, and will not be ready any time soon, more like 8 months or so. My theory is that A17 is just a rewamped A16 for N3B, no actual architectural changes at all, except for 8GB RAM. Basically every single performance gain comes from N3B since the IPC gain is ~2%-3% (from few tweaks made from more transistors using the new litography). The high consumption came from iOS, Apple says, it's fixed in the new iOS update without performance losses, so it should be even 5% more efficient, Apple claims.
Apple just didnt care about the performance increasing,they just need to tell the costomers that our IPHONE is the best and it is always advancing
The amount of work put in here is 🔥 🔥 🔥 keep it up
Really appreciate you guys doing this kind of analysis.😊😊
You could had also showed us the performance difference using the MetalFX and also show us how the power draw reduces into using a targeted frame rate with MetalFX enabled and disabled. Other than that I have no words for the quality of the review. If not from you I couldn't know the actual differences in architectural improvements vs the last generation
I don't think much attention on MetalFX is worth it right now because it is still basically work on progress.
When is fully launched and is in games then a full dedicated video will be better.
Best channel for choosing a new phone
This is one of the best indepth and precise review I've come across!
Great review. Really appreciate the analysis and different kinds of it.
Now this is what we tech people looking for! Great job and thanks
Great job guys! Just one note, a cpu running faster with an increased power consumption could still result in higher efficiencies if it completes a program significantly faster. Why not include total energy consumed in completing the SPEC2017 suite instead of just (what I’m assuming is) average power consumption?
Good point
The video I have been waiting for!
Was waiting for this
This channel gonna be the DIGITAL FOUNDRY for mobile device. MAD analysis lads. Respect
Give them a little time, because of the Chinese tone, which is very popular in China, but it will be a little strange to use to read English
A great job that allowed me to understand the detailed performance comparison of Apple's latest chips. This guy is amazing
I've been waiting for this!
Fantastic dive into the nitty gritty of performance. I love it! I wish more reviewers cared as much about this sort of stuff to put in this level of effort.
6:30 with great power comes lower efficiency
That's some extremely exclusive nerdy content right there!
Different from others you're in your own league!
Love it ❤️
What an amazing and thorough testing! Congrats!
You guys are simply brilliant! Such an in depth presentation! No offense but western UA-camrs are so dull with the reviews.
This channel's reviews are definitely unmatched in youtube, hoping for the english channel to grow enough to become one of the team's priorities!!
Great video covering all the important technical info
I have seen many highly viewed video bloggers analyzing the iPhone, but it is difficult for me to find such convincing and accurate technology reviews. Thank you, you are the best video review blogger on UA-cam！
Really appreciate the in depth review and especially the comparisons to other iphones and android. However I would have liked to see it compared to the latest Samsung phones and other phones that are directly competing with Apple rather than some obscure model from ZTE or Redmi that seems to be a model optimised for gaming/performance over mainstream "do everything" phones like the iphone 15s or galaxy s23s. I feel like this would give a more representative conclusion that is more useful for your viewers who might be unable to make a decision on which phone to buy. Otherwise really liked the video!
According to rumors, the SD8G3 chip is looking to be a pretty big step up. I really do hope to see a video on that SoC and see if those rumors are correct. You guys do great work and out of all the reviewers for all phones, I think you guys are the best in terms of being able to gauge the performance of a phone. Since most reviewers just throw the phones at geekbench, which from what I've read up on is fairly biased.
And they declare soc supremacy by just showing geekbench scores and forget that gpu exists.
Well, since they’re like 3 generations behind Apples, they must have a big step up.
@@dougmoratoIn what?
@@Silent.killer_007 They didn't declare SoC supremacy, they declared CPU supremacy. You not liking the results doesn't make them invalid.
Has anything been said about the 8 Gen 3 GPU?
As always perfect review, keep it up.
Best of the best, thanks guys, incredible work!❤
We need a Video to the exynos 2400 and 8 gen 3
Where is the 8 gen 3 review??
your videos are always a treat!
AMAZING!!! No one else does this kind of thing. You guys earned a sub!
I'm always impressed by your content, but this is truly next level! Can't wait for a die shot comparison vs 8 gen 2 and previous apple SoCs, maybe even M1/M2
it would be great if you make another version of the Custom Gaming phone
I think after sd 8gen3 phones come, it will be the perfect time. Because as far we seen here that a17pro surpassed 15w steam deck in peak perfomance in re village
So maybe a custom sd8g3 gaming phone can match rog ally who knows😂
@@Silent.killer_007 The A17 is Crazy for a phone processor , as for the custom Gaming phone,the last one had an 855 and it was cool. So anything after the sd888 will be awesome to see
Amazing videos man! Love all the detailed explanation and neat presentation
Thank you! Please come back next week!
I believe from what I got to understand from benchmarks the GPU of the SD8G2 it's what makes magical
I'm still wondering what the hell did they do to their gpu to be this powerful, literally nobody thought Snapdragon could have a better gpu than of the iPhones.
@@thefrog414But the performance in actual games make those results sus.
@@thefrog414 custom design and since they acquired Nuvia they will put their design of CPU cores pretty soon idk if the SD8G3 or SD8G4 but I'm pretty sure it will make a huge difference and take the lead on CPU performance other thing we should consider I guess the games and test that use 3D are more GPU bound then CPU bound hope someone do a detail explication on it.
another thing I have a phone with SD865 and honestly it's still super fast running everything and I believe I could still push a year or two with it without a hiccup.
and add to that software is what limiting our phones google is fing with our phone constantly if you go to Android subreddit you will find a lot of stories on this and that makes me wonder if they are degrading our phones on purpose
@@ThePowerLover what do you mean by that?
@@walid6329Wrong, 3D tests have a high CPU demand, that’s why Apple shines, the IPhone has so many vector accelerators on the CPU that it makes ARM Stock mediocre, and the entire Apple ecosystem takes advantage of it including games, maybe that’s the reason, Android has a problem on the CPU side.
Incredible!! Wow you guys did an amazing job in such a short amount of time, by far the most comprehensive review and benchmarking of the new A17 Pro chip.
They actually finished the mandarin version on 19th September and published on a website called bilibili
Great Job on all the Graphs and Work that’s behind them.
Please do a follow up video when we got a couple software Updates.
An amazingly indepth video! Wish you more success 🎉
Big gpu disappointment
8 gen 3 and 8 gen 4 should be awesome
Rumors seem really good
Yeah. can't wait to test switch and other emulators on it. Iphones can't do that anyway.
@@TheRealGigaCathere im hoping that those iphone AAA games also come to androids, then i bet sd 8g3 gaming phones will easily run them at 1080p 60fps stable using similiar settings to iphone's maximum where it got 44fps.
Emulation will be much easier when windows on arm gets gaming support because the chipset is similar
@@Silent.killer_007 yes, absolutely.
LE :A17 LOOK AT ME I AM INTEL NOW
🤣🤣🤣 that’s right
Ayshere neeyum tech prandhan
Fantastic video. I really appreciate this kind of breakdown!
Impressive performance review! Best review right now;
I am waiting for snapdragon 8 gen 3 test using Genshin Impact with FSR3. That shit would be best. Even if they dont release fsr3 for mobile. Someone could force enable it on a device to test performance iimprovement.
So basically if I'm going to buy a better battery phone between 15 and 15 pro should I choose the base model? Or do you think with further iOS updates the battery of the pro will improve better?
the power efficiency of a17pro is not lower than a16, so you can buy the pro version of iphone15. The battery problem showing in the video is caused by boost, which consumes tons more energy but only let you open your gmail 0.0001s fast. it can and must will be fixed by future iOS update.
Brilliant work guys!
the review are really great. keep doing what you do dude !
Hey Geekerwan, just wanted to ask a question; is there any chance to see better battery life from software updates that can maybe allow the limiting of the cpu? Also, does low power mode have a greater effect this time around with how powerful the chip is?
Apple do update a lot but they probably won't tell you about battery life improvement. And low power mode is super low this time so expect good efficiency but do not use it in games.
@@Geekerwan awesome, ty for the response!
@@GeekerwanExcellent. Low power mode could substantially increase battery life this time if people do everything but gaming. Would you guys mind doing a battery life test in low power mode with the same 1hour test cycle done in normal mode - and post it afterwards? I believe many people would be interested. Thanx for this super detailed and great video
@@Geekerwanis it really limited to 1.5 watts this time in low power mode?
Finally, a real iphone review instead of lazy regurgitated information from the apple keynote
When it comes to review i will choose you, basically you make me impressed every time you do the review and also what hook me up to watching you more is this and turning the phone into gaming phone
That's some insane work you have done ! Wow !
12:08 8 gen 2 still beating apple on gpu using half amount of power
Truly amazing
Guess i have to wait for another iphone generation
The A17 yes. But the A16 is just as efficient as the SD gen 2 at worse gaming performance but better in everything else such as video editing, battery life and software security and 90 hz refresh rate optimization.
the point is. What will we do with that GPU when apple doesn't support emulators. Its a complete waste.
@@TheRealGigaCatyeah you are right
But for this scenario I have redmagic 8 pro
@@TheRealGigaCatit’s actually really easy to get emulators nowadays on iPhones. You don’t even have to jailbreak. I load Dolphin on my iPad all the time.
@@jonathanpusar5931 all it has got is dolphin and ppsspp. There is nothing else.
On the other side Android can emulate everything upto Nintendo switch.
What I am trying to say is that iOS has a lack of apps itself. Developers don't take interest in it compared to Android where nearly all the emulators are open source and constant development goes on..
Not to mention the lack of proper file explorer in iOS.
Android can even run some PC titles such as stray using box64 and DXVK translation layer. Same thing that steam deck uses.
Even if iOS enables side loading. It will take years to reach where Android is in terms of community service.