For real. At worst gamma 1 and 2 are equal to blue goku and blue vegeta and piccolo one shot gamma 2. He's way above blue and even blue evolution. In the manga he's definitely gonna be made equal to UI Goku and UE vegeta.
Exactly. I'm fairly certain that his ULTIMATE form is Blue tier while his Orange form is Ultra tier. But saying that Orange Piccolo is only Blue tier is insane.
@@ggamesgarner8027 its so ridiculous to say that tho when you look at the context of how Vegeta and goku worked their way to where they got and how it was seen as ultamite power and gohan and piccolo were supposed to be miles and miles below even blue goku and vegeta train a few months/ get a wish and suddenly they’re ultra level. Not buying that until it’s definetly stated in the pages. + i doubt piccolo knows how strong goku and vegeta were at that point just how strong they were before
@@yonko728 goku perfected ultra instinct in 48 minutes when no god has with MILLIONS of years of training. A form goku didn't even know existed. Broly goes from weaker than base vegeta to needing a blue fusion to beat him in the span of a few hours. When previously he hardly had any training and lived on a remote planet all his life. Frieza gets so strong that he's able to one shot goku and vegetas godly forms with just 10 years of unknown training. Jiren was so strong that he was able to literally one shot goku and vegetas previously strongest forms while being suppressed and was hyped up to be stronger than God's. What training did he do? We don't know. So Gohan and Piccolo aren't an exception. Dragon Balls powerscaling has been terrible for a LONG time before beast gohan and Orange Piccolo. Almost every character in recent years including Goku and Vegeta have gotten extremely stupid a**pulls just as bad as piccolo and gohan. And Piccolo actually works hard and trains and was always STILL a joke. So I don't think I'm the only one when I say I don't care that it's an a**pull, I'm just glad Piccolo is on par with goku and vegeta and Gohan is the strongest again.
I think you guys are discounting the fact that Piccolo was already beat up and wasn't at full power when he first turned into Orange Piccolo. I wonder how much different the fight would have been if he and Gohan both took the Senzu beans, instead of Piccolo giving his to Gohan near the end of the movie.
There's also the fact that this was his first time using the orange form, no doubt he'll train and develop it's power even further like Goku and Vegeta did with their SSB forms so the next time Piccolo goes orange might put him on a vastly different powerscale than before.
But we still have to remember what Whis said to Goku and Vegeta in the Granolah arc, the fact that he said that in that moment there was nobody stronger that them in the universe, practically confirmed that even blue evolved post Yardrat Vegeta was stronger than Broly. DO NOT ATTACK ME GUYS, IT'S JUST WHAT WHIS SAID
@@priestesslucy Everyone said that Broly has trained, but what does make us sure that he has? We don't even know when exactly has been brought on Beerus's planet, if months before Gamma 2's attack or mere days, certanly not before 4 months since Beerus was awake at that moment and he didn't see him
@@barryslayer5582 Goku was still scared of broly during the super hero movie. That kind of implies that broly would be more than just blue evolved level
@@ojpickle5923Goku was probably scared because Broly had trained and he didn't know if they could stop him this time. The thing I'll keep saying tho is that broly, goku and vegeta will probably fight Black frieza with universe 6 saiyans fighting the Frieza army. Would be the perfect revenge.
Beerus wasn't afraid of brolys power or his trouble with controlling it he was just afraid of what he'd do to his planet, we see broly create an entire crator just powering up when goku is instructing him
The bullshit yall make up for beerus is amazing. Where does it say that's what beerus was worried about? We seen him scared and that's it. U trying to make up your own reasons
@@0624tre bro it's just a inference made by observing the scene. I don't speak for beerus neither do i speak for toriyama or toyotaro, im just a fan of the work they do and can make my own thoughts on what they create. so relax its not that serious
@Abominable. naw observing the scene looks like he's scared. If he was stronger he could easily just knock broly out U know how whis 1 tapped beerus. Shouldn't beerus be able to do that to broly? Whis does that when beerus is about to destroy his own planet correct?
@@0624tre lets just say beerus was surpised NOT scared. and yes beerus is the strongest being besides whis in universe regardless of where brolys power is beerus can just 1 shot him with a simple tap behind the neck
@Abominable. there is literally nothing saying beerus is the strongest How about we just stick to what's actually written. Goku: I know this god of destruction named beerus and broly your probably stronger than him Definition of probably: almost for certain
Can u show me the dialog where it says beerus was worried about his home?? That doesn't even make sense if he was actually stronger than broly couldn't he just knock broly out? U dudes say anything when it comes to beerus
I'd give it to Broly for his insane potential. He grew to be stonger than both Goku and Vegeta by probably less than an hour in universe. Even by the end of his fight with Gogeta he was still a monster tanking shots from him and pushing Gogeta into SSJB.
Same here unless orange piccolo isn't that far below Broly's full power then maybe piccolo's smarts can somehow secure a win but also we do not know broly's cap, does he constantly grow stronger and stronger or is there a peak to his power.
I believe the toe to toe thing with gogeta blue was only for the theatrics. People who worked on the movie said that it was hard to make it seem like a good fight because of the power difference. I mean, look for yourself, broly didn’t land a single hit once gogeta turned blue
YOOO Praided Waif! Great scaler Personally, I do think Orange Piccolo is at Ultra levels based on Toriyamas statements (TBD in Manga) Broly still Raw Dogs. If Broly can't turn Ssj theory is true as well, then Broly movie would slam. I would put Ultra levels around Ssj Broly/Gogeta levels. Ultra Levels just aren't as strong as people thought.
How you been revolushane!! Your vids breaking down vegeta were awesome. I will point out this: I think we need to take in consideration that orange piccolo is alot stronger than blue. Manga piccolo was alot stronger than people give credit for. He was fighting on par with ultimate Gohan and even can overpower a trained ss2 Gohan. Piccolos ultimate form is closer to blue levels in power if Gohan in ultimate was closer in power blue(gohan vs kefla considering kale trashing ssb goku). Considering piccolo went from barely keeping up with gamma 2 to then no diffs him with one punch just shows the massive jump in power. Gamma 2 had to sacrifice his entire body just to Crack cell maxes skull.
I think something a lot of people missed in the Broly movie was his adaptability. It only took Broly surviving Vegeta and Goku's attacks once before figuring out how to counter and emulate their strategies. I think for that reason Broly is a lot more deadly in the early rounds against Picollo. Learning Picollos combos would put Broly on game. Now when he goes LSSJ it's a different story. Like yall said, it's a all out brawl of physical force.
I dont think he necessarily learns to counter the attacks I think he just grows stronger very fast that he can tank the attacks afterwards, and Broly doesn't have any strategy while fighting he's like the hulk and just fights like a brute.
@@JackRabbit5402 I know vegeta said that but I think it wasn't a literal statement because if that was the case he would have learned the Kamehameha the galick gun and even gogeta's techniques.
I think we overestimate Broly a bit. He does get stronger as he fights, but as we saw in the movie, he has a limit(by the end of the fight, he was overpowered and regained his senses). So I believe "Super Hero" Orange Piccolo beats "DBS Broly" Broly. We have to remember that Piccolo was aware of Broly's strength, so if he doesn't think he could beat Broly at Full Power, he'd end the fight before he gets to that point.
Id even have to argue that vegeta would whoop broly too for real especially if hes a few years into his ego or whatever form comes next. Lil buddy came a long way . dammit kakarot
@Rawdog550 Broly literally regained his senses and froze up. That was his limit at the time of the movie. Of course, he'll get stronger as he trains, but he doesn't have infinite power.
@Roberto The Super Mutant That was not just for looks. We could see and hear that he was scared. And a few seconds later, he wasn’t going berserk anymore. He was looking around wondering what was going on. Broly was probably at his limit when he went shirtless against Gogeta.
@Roberto The Super Mutant dude broky form is literally called super saiyan FULL POWER. He was at his limit and gogeta put him to sleep. It was so evidently with him staggering and coming back to his senses after gogeta causes that big nuke like explosion before the kamehameha
I think we need to take in consideration that orange piccolo is alot stronger than blue. Manga piccolo was alot stronger than people give credit for. He was fighting on par with ultimate Gohan and even can overpower a trained ss2 Gohan. Piccolos ultimate form is closer to blue levels in power if Gohan in ultimate was closer in power blue(gohan vs kefla considering kale trashing ssb goku). Considering piccolo went from barely keeping up with gamma 2 to then no diffs him with one punch just shows the massive jump in power. Gamma 2 had to sacrifice his entire body just to Crack cell maxes skull.
@@Thecor13 It's just fanboy bias people have for a specific character so they'll downplay other characters like Piccolo for example. Also the Gammas are blue level characters and Orange Piccolo one shotted one of them.
Broly’s adaptability is pretty much unmatched. The longer he fights, the stronger he gets. And it’s not like you can easily knocked him out in a quick punch
The only way that’s possible is if there’s a massive power gap. For example gogeta blue and broly, but that’s not happening here because it was stated that if cell max was complete he would’ve been stronger than broly. But he wasn’t complete
All I’ll say is imagine Broly getting all the help Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo have received? He never had Kai’s unlocking his power, or training with Angels and Gods, or getting power ups via Dragon. But look at the chaos he caused just from his natural power alone. Now imagine him with proper battle experience and training like the above. It wouldn’t even comparable. He’s the chosen one of the Saiyan race. And the only Saiyan in history to be exiled from a legendary race of warriors for being ‘too powerful’. That alone tells you everything you need to know.
Man this is hard! Broly has a lot of power and can adapt very quickly while piccolo is a very smart martial arts warrior with attacks like the special beam cannon that can amp his power to close even the largest gaps in power. I really can't say who would win.
Lol shut up. Broly would absolutely smoke him. He’s the chosen one of the Saiyan race for crying out loud lmao. Never needed any wish, or Kai’s or Gods to help him get new forms like the rest.
@@coreymichael1880 Calm Down Fan Boy. There's No "Chosen One" Of The Saiyans, Broly's Just Simply Far Stronger Than Even Elite Saiyans. Even If There Was A "Chosen One", It Would Obviously Be Goku Instead Of Broly.
@@jasongriffin7927 "Far stronger than Elite Saiyans" That is an understatement, Broly literally dwarfs everyone including King Vegeta who is suppose to be the strongest at the time.
Apparently if cell max was perfect he would've been able to beat broly but since he wasn't that means he must be below him in terms of power. Piccolo practically lost trying to fight cell max yet people still say he's almost equal to Goku and Vegeta when that can't be possible. This is what happens when all we have is promotional material to scale these characters not that we can correctly scale them in the first place since the manga hasn't caught up yet. And don't use toriyama's "statements" as word because they're so inconsistent that they can't even be taken seriously anymore.
I think ppl forget but once power scaling comes back into play in the Manga Piccolo will be reduced to nothing again. In this movie, yes he has exponential strength, but they WILL forget about piccolo again, its just what this series is about. At this point Piccolo has nothing to offer which upsets me as well, but its just simply true
@@brandonreed3670 Because Piccolo is one of the few relevant characters that makes their own techniques and regularly uses strategy that goes further beyond just "I'm better at martial arts"
I dont care about the logic anymore: KEEP PICCOLO AT THE TOP PLS. He deserved it for literal decades. He went from being pan's babysitter to now being in talks with beating Broly, or at least matching him to an extreme extent
If I am being honest, Orange Piccolo is the more skilled fighter, while Broly is the more powerful fighter. If they were to fight, I do think that Broly would win against Orange Piccolo. There are many factors to consider. One is that Piccolo achieved his Orange Piccolo state long after the fight with Broly. Another is that Piccolo was behind Goku and Vegeta in strength before even getting the Orange Piccolo form, and Broly surpassed Goku and Vegeta in the fight in dragonball super Broly. Not to mention that Goku and Vegeta had to fuse into Gogeta to defeat Broly, and at his peak power Broly was able to compete with super saiyan Gogeta. Plus, Orange Piccolo is stated to be strong enough to compete with the saiyans. Along with how an incomplete and damaged Cell MAX overpowered Orange Piccolo, and the information that a complete Cell MAX would be too much for even Broly, these factors just point to Broly being the overall winner if he ever fought Orange Piccolo. Also, I think Beerus was more afraid that Broly would destroy his planet than how powerful Broly is. Beerus is aware of what Broly is capable of, but doesn't necessarily see him as a threat. Just a possible challenge that can't control his power.
Why does no one bring up the fact that Toriyama stated Orange piccolo and Goku at this point are equal in fighting power, so that would suggest equal to MUI or even Tui Goku!
UI and UE didn't exist when Super Hero was created. The Super Hero story was created in 2016. Toriyama never mentioned UI when he commented on the movie.
@@M86-l2y the statements came out after the movie already came out in Japan, and just because it was started a while ago doesn’t mean the story is going to be the same all throughout, there was likely changes/ inclusions based on the anime/ manga, like Jiren, the gods of Distraction, Frieza being after Broly
@@orion5565 True, there were changes since then. But the fact UI and UE are never shown, nor does Toriyama ever mention those forms in post-movie interviews either, leads me to believe everything was being scaled against SSJB. We don't even know if Gohan and Piccolo are aware that UE even exists. The last time they portray Goku and Vegeta having been around the others was when Moro was defeated. That's the last known time we knlw they saw Goku and Vegeta. They may think Vegeta is still limited to SSJBE.
@@M86-l2y 1. Ultra ego has been around for a quite a while now, (June 20 2022) and it takes weeks/months to create a story board for a manga, so ultra ego had to have been known by the time the Toriyama statements came out reguarding everyone’s power, besides, they know fully well the power shifts for Goku/vegeta, so they likely knew they’d be around each other by this point, and that Goku/ vegeta keep growing stronger over time, so Piccolo likely took all of that into account, the androids should atleast be around Granola arc UE/UI goku/ vegeta, since that would still leave them 9 months to a year after the arc for them to be one shot tiers above them selves in the present, which is where Piccolo lies in power
The benefit of the Broly chapter coming presumably next month if pacing isn’t dragged out is the fixed scaling combing superhero and the manga the former was written before the granola arc so UE wasn’t a thing and mui was no where near as trained Jiren and broly were still major threats while in the manga they are surpassed by Goku and vegeta I say Broly takes this if he has surpassed Ui and UE in his training
@@godslayer8894 Yes but watching and actually training are two different things. They mentioned also how they don’t want him fighting to much because he gets out of control so he hasn’t even mastered his own emotions yet.
I’m just happy piccolo is back up there with the big bois! Where he should be! I’ve always loved the idea of Goku, Vegeta, and piccolo should be the strongest. Especially with the impact that piccolo has had in dragon ball.
Haven't seen the video yet, Broly mid diffs. Just heard him say it isn't as easy as you think, it is. Edit: 4:15 nah, at *BARE MINIMUM* , Piccolo oneshots Blue. But most likely he Oneshots Moro arc UI.
I think "in a duel" Broly wins. In a "death match to protect the earth" Orange Piccolo doesn't give a fuck about pride like Goku/Vegeta, so he'll just decide to rip a max-power Makankosappo at base Broly and that's that. Cause if you think about it Piccolo might literally be the only z fighter with the wisdom to end fights quickly before they have a chance to escalate into something really dangerous.
I think we need to take in consideration that orange piccolo is alot stronger than blue. Manga piccolo was alot stronger than people give credit for. He was fighting on par with ultimate Gohan and even can overpower a trained ss2 Gohan. Piccolos ultimate form is closer to blue levels in power if Gohan in ultimate was closer in power blue(gohan vs kefla considering kale trashing ssb goku). Considering piccolo went from barely keeping up with gamma 2 to then no diffs him with one punch just shows the massive jump in power. Gamma 2 had to sacrifice his entire body just to Crack cell maxes skull.
I don't remember piccolo in the manga fighting on par with ultimate Gohan, piccolo never fought on par with Gohan in the anime either, it's said that Gohan in the anime is stronger than piccolo in super series, so piccolo never fought on par with Gohan, plus they were training then Gohan easily slapped piccolos hand off
@BreakableHate you forget the battle before 73 piccolo and Gohan trained. They were relative in strength as when they stated from facing 73. That's why when doing combined attacks they also switch angles when 73 was switching powers.
@@Thecor13 ohhhh, you meant that, but Piccolo wasn't on par with Gohan, they were just fighting together. Nothing was said that they were on par, just was fighting together against the android, but either way piccolo did some impressive feats, I don't remember where it says that piccolo is on par with Gohan during that time though, then Gohan got a rage boost, so idk if piccolo was on par with Gohan, could be slightly under his potential state and a lot stronger than his super Saiyan - super Saiyan 2
@@Thecor13 idk, he could be, put Gohan did unlock a new ultimate state in the movie against gamma 1 which made him stronger than piccolo and was fighting evenly with gamma 1 until orange Piccolo came along, potential Unleashed Piccolo in the movie is at least blue tier, gammas and Gohan is probably around blue kkx20 tier, other than that piccolo gotten stronger than Gohan for a moment which is nice at the end of the day
Piccolo takes it. The DBS Superhero arc takes place after Granola. In that arc Granola wished to be the strongest in the universe. That placed him above, well, everyone in the universe of course including Broly. So anyone that scales to Granola, which Goku and Vegeta did by the arc's end, would be above Broly. The Gammas are equal to Goku and Vegeta. This is the narrative goal and confirmed by Piccolo, the word's of a fighting and analytical genius. And he clean knocked out Gamma 2 with one hit. Then he went on to put up a fight against Cell Max. Put respect on Piccolos name, he is NOT just blue level. Yk where he's blue level? Ultimate Piccolo. Orange Piccolo was stated by Toriyama to have power "On par with Goku and Co". Orange Piccolo is an Instinct tier transformation
Beerus was sweating kioken blue when he saw it. He definitely was tripping on Broly, not the planet. I mean, it’s not like Goku and Vegeta don’t threaten his planet as it is with their training.
I know the movie was written before the Granola arc. But Orange Piccolo being SSJB makes no sense. When Toriyama said he caught up to Goku and Vegeta. It would mean whatever range of power they are currently. That's why I find it crazy when people say Beast Gohan isn't stronger than UI Goku. It's like when have these two haven't gotten new forms that are either relevant to the current threat & main players, or stronger. The whole point of new forms is to get them caught up. That's just my opinion though
Orange Piccolo is beyond SSB. Yellow Piccolo that was fighting gamma 2 was not that far off from gamma 2 in terms of power. They were trading blows, gamma 2 had the upper hand but he wasn't that far ahead of Piccolo. So when Piccolo goes orange, he turns the tables very quickly and creates a large gap of power between gamma 2 and himself. If Gamma 2 is SSB tier, then this puts Orange Piccolo at UI/UE levels of power, which means, he could very well be on the same playing field as Goku and Vegeta from Granolah arc. Implying this was the last time he saw them and their powers all out. So from a 1 to 15, i would classify characters like this (anything under 10 is ignored): -Broly LSSJ (Broly movie, setpoint in the scale) = 10 -Gogeta SSB = ??? -Merus (angel form) = ???, probably a 12.5 -Merus (human form) = ???, i assume weaker than angel form, so 11.5 -Moro 73 = 10 -Moro 73 (+Merus) = 10.5- -Moro 73 (merged with earth) = 10.5 -Full power SSB Goku/Vegeta (Granolah arc) = 10 -Gas (last power up) = 11+ -Granolah = 11 -UI Goku (hypothetical, movie) = 11 -TUI Goku (hypothetical, movie) = 11.5 -UE Vegeta (hypothetical, movie) = 11+ -Yellow Piccolo = 10 -Orange Piccolo = 11 -Gamma 1/2 = 10.5 -Gamma 2 sacrifice move = 12 -Mystic Gohan (movie) = 10.5 -Cell Max (incomplete, before nerfs) = 12 -Cell Max (incomplete, post nerfs) = 11.5 -Broly (hypothetical, post training) = 12 -Final form Freeza (post training) = 10 -Golden Freeza (post training) = 11.5+ -Black Freeza = 13+ / ????? -Cell Max completed (hypothetical) = 13+ -Beast Gohan = 13 This is mostly based on feats, some of the hints throw in there and comparing what should be logical, like TUI Goku being higher than Gas with his last power up by at least a noticeable margin. Broly can't be properly scaled due to lack of feats, the only thing we have is that Goku was in panic mode if Broly lost his composure again, which means, Broly would have clapped him again. We also know Broly would not be able to handle a completed Cell Max and is more than likely comparable to the incomplete Cell max before the nerfs. I feel like Cell Max would have similar scaling to Freeza post training. Golden Freeza has to be rivaling Goku/Vegeta in their best forms, black Freeza was at least 2 leagues ahead in the power scale for him to pull what he did to both of them with such ease, while also destroying Gas with no effort. Freeza's final form is more than likely rival to SSB state now. Considering Freeza was in final form and did a quick power up to finish off Gas and dial back down instantly, then to power up again and knock out the saiyans... Black Freeza suffers from Beerus syndrome right now, his power could be anything but i think it is fair to consider that freeza and cell max are on the same page, more or less. Piccolo has to be beyond SSB with orange state, so him being 11, which rivals UI Goku, makes sense to me. TUI trades defense for offense, UE rivals UI and can go higher if allowed to. I did no include Jiren into the mix because this list is based on movies and manga in a combined effort. Anime follows a different pattern than the manga, I would put jiren as a 9.5 in this list, based on the manga, if ignoring the manga stuff, Jiren from anime would be a 10.5+ with his limit breaker form.
Even tho it wasn't confirmed that Broly is stronger than Beerus. You can still put Broly in the same stratosphere as Beerus. Since Broly is close to Beerus. With the proper training Broly can easily surpass Beerus. I think that's why Beerus reacted the way he did when he seen him on his planet. It's Broly potential as a fighter that scares him
I think y’all should have a baseline of which broly y’all are talking about because that fight with Vegeta was his first time ever fighting. So now that he’s training with Whis, Goku and Vegeta his experience should be there. He was learning insanely fast how to fight and tap in to his power vs Vegeta. Now he has experience and I just don’t think that post trained broly will be the same broly from the movie. That will have that accelerated adaptation ability combine that with the fact he is a little more sane while fighting I think it’ll be interesting until Broly goes super Saiyan Also since
Nothing confirms Piccolo doesn’t know about Perfected UI or UE because it’s been years since they fought Granola and Gas. The phrase is totally ambiguous.
@Geekdom101 Hello Geekdom Happy Birthday and I enjoyed this review of yours for this episode. Can you please make a tier list on all the arcs of the overall Dragon Ball Franchise? Thank you Dragon Ball OG Dragon Ball Z Dragon Ball GT Dragon Ball Super (Manga arcs as well) Super Dragon Ball Heroes
While not canon as of yet we notice that piccolo can sense the fight between Goku Vegeta and broly so if those events take place around the same time maybe slightly before super hero than that means piccolo could have been comparing himself to them from what he was sensing from the broly fight. Now if he is on par with them from then... that would mean he's above base broly. Still though Goku and Vegeta were playing chicken with ssj broly and running so if piccolo is equal to blue or above that'd mean he's just about equal to ssj broly and would get absolutely wrecked by full power broly.
And I think the narrative that's been consistently teased since Broly's movie is that he's strong enough to be compared to Beerus. Beerus was relieved when Broly was beaten in the fight was over at the end of the Broly movie. We get a statement that Broly is probably stronger than Beerus by Goku and Toriyama. And then in Super Hero, Beerus freaked out when he found out Broly was on his planet. Those aren't just coincidental statements. Even if he's not 100% Beerus level, he's definitely right around there. But again. Beerus is the never-ending moving goal post.
@Smallville Clark thought so cause he still had his bean but he out it in his belt but piccolo was still able to keep up with Cell for a bit. so if he was fresh, piccolo most likely be even with cell or maybe a little stronger if im high balling him
Yeah its crazy how many people are in denial about this after they all WANTED piccolo and gohan to be on goku and vegetas level for years. Now that it finally happens all people do is complain? Dragon ball fans are honestly like star wars fans at this point.
@@ggamesgarner8027 EXACTLY. The whole point of Super Hero was to make Gohan and Piccolo relevant again. How would they be relevant if they're only Blue tier? Being Blue tier isn't that impressive anymore.
@@spritvio639 people shouldn't have expected anything different from super. Almost Every character I can think of in recent years have had terrible god awful a**pulls. And yeah it wasn't executed properly but if any characters deserved to get a**pulls next it's gohan and Piccolo.
I still believe Broly with 1 year of spirit control training from yardrat would low diff nearly everyone with his sheer energy control. All the power we see Broly display even in the movie is a small fraction. He lets his power leak out like a running faucet he doesn’t know how to fully tame it. That’s what made Jiren head and shoulders above everyone hardcore training and absolute energy control. That makes a users attacks sharper harder and the user would drain only small amounts of their power. Yardrat training makes the most sense and serves as a solid foundation before any type of sparring. Broly would master his power and have full control over his emotions and he would temporarily share a world with way weaker beings but build on his awareness that absolute power needs to be wield responsibly so you don’t hurt anyone you care about or wreck a planet. Also, a bit off topic but when we discuss characters with the most potential I think we needs to discuss the nature of their inner potential because they may not all manifest in the exact same way. Broly’s power sky rockets when fighting opponents either stronger or enough to push him but his power is like what I said earlier a leaky faucet or a volcano. Gohan’s inner power is locked and dormant in him and is unlocked based on both his mental state and emotional triggers. And finally frieza’s inner power seems to be very massive but it runs EXTREMELY deep. Way deeper than he even knows. So we would see him randomly train or try different methods and he will constantly have rapid power ups and even shock himself with how strong he can become. Black Frieza MAYBE could be Frieza’s current plateau but who knows if that’s even his peak. I know with confidence Uub is on this list. Giving divine ki at a young age without knowing what he’s doing is still one of the most slept on gigantic power feats of this series
12:09 speaking of resting after broly was transported back to planet vampa with the dragon balls, im guessing since that fight he got a major zenkai after fighting gogeta and his base form probably is around broly ssj level and his current ssj is far stronger than that maybe somewhere near gogeta blue level. these saiyans man... and their zenkai boosts, though their is the idea that after a saiyan reaches ssj their zenkai boosts become signifcatly smaller to where it doesn't make much of a difference
I disagree with the guest speaker, Orange Piccolo is WAYYY stronger than Blue. Ultimate Gohan is Blue Level and still had to fight off Gamma 1 but Orange Piccolo EASILY took out G2.
I give it to piccolo because of his experience and weird power set, but dragon ball characters rarely lose to someone who’s weaker than them even if they have more skill/experience so in reality Broly would probably win
I think beerus is probably fairly nervous to fight broly since not only broly is a martial artist so it wouldn’t that fun to begin with but also of chance broly getting strong too fast.
I think Broly’s growth factor is over exaggerated by fans too much. Yes he got stronger as the fight went on in the movie but he clearly hit ceilings too then was prompted into surpassing his limits (like all saiyans do) by Frieza. I don’t think he would of been nearly as competitive and continued to get stronger if that didn’t happen. Same when he fought Gogeta he just surpassed the limits of his SS form. Point is, his power isn’t limitless, just his potential is. But I feel that can be said for any number of our heroes at this point including Orange Piccolo.
We have seen Piccolo's new forms once in a movie. It's not the same in a manga or anime. The same with Broly. The new forms have something extra on top, in the case of Piccolo. He could get more powerful with every training and every fight like a Saiyan. I'm sure Piccolo is going to keep getting more powerful.
Broly wins low diff, piccolo is stronger until broly goes super saiyan(not even fp ss) but not strong enough to put him away for good. Broly mouth blast him into a mountain k.o.
I really honestly think people think Piccolo's new forms have not been tapped into. Piccolo's new forms as we know with any forms has a much higher start. Piccolo's new forms could let Piccolo became much more powerful. Piccolo's new forms are just the beginning of how powerful he really is and what he can become. Piccolo is just learning how powerful he is and how powerful he can be.
Hm, one possible Scenario or win Condition for Orange Piccolo is he's likely aware of how much Broly's power can go when out of control (He was most definitely aware, Goku used him as an IT beacon to fuse.) If Broly starts raging and raising his power and is distracted enough, maybe Orange Piccolo would try to Snipe him with a Special Beam Canon ala Beast Gohan. If he's still relative or manages to condense it enough. He may make go from a terrifying monstrosity of a Saiyan, to dying like Raditz if it hits him in a vital area.
I don’t think beerus is afraid of broly. During the entire movie, beerus was chilling on a beach. Nothing not sitting by stressing over the fight. And then we know black frieza is far stronger than broly, but when Goku and vegeta came back from all that, beerus wasn’t worried about that either
I think Beerus Planet is locked off from the universe in order for the 3 Saiyans to max out their training, so no sensing energy etc to avoid distraction..Goku didn't know vegeta was on Beerus planet long before their training.
I think Beerus was afraid of both I know yall LOVE to move the goal post with his power level But Broly, Black Frieza, Goku, Vegeta all are right there with him in power at this point Broly lacks control That's why he was like why you bring that lunatic here bruh?!?! Cuhh be on that BS I saw that clip in the directors cut of the movie Lol
If you think about It tho, Jiren ain't that muscolar compared to the likes of Broly, Toppo and Orange Piccolo. I mean, he sure had bodybuilder muscles, but he Is Just a bit taller than Goku. While the other 3 are Like 9 ft plus...
What if Android 18 had not thrown that match to let Mr. Satan win? Would the people of the earth have listened to Mr. Satan pleading with the people to give their energy to defeat the Kid Buu if Android 18 had not thrown the match at the World Tournament?
Broly hasn't ever really gotten a zenkai, furthermore when sayians fight someone way stronger than themselves and survive they tend to be stronger afterwards regardless of zenkais. So broly after that asswhipping from gogeta WITHOUT training even should be a good stronger. Not to mention him having more experience tapping into his potential/ using his true power.
I know God ki has gone to shit.Anybody can be ssb level now.DB Super writing is fucking trash.Shit...Black Frieza might as well be able to one shot the grand priest now.I honestly have been enjoying the fan mangas a lot more these days.
Orange Piccolo’s only weakness against Broly is his own power. The longer he fights Broly. The more Broly will adapt to the fight. So if Piccolo has a greater power it will only be until Broly surpasses it mid battle.
To say piccolo is anywhere near broly is wack, the Gotenks fusion had to fail because they'd just soloed cell and on that logic ssj 3 Gotenks is weaker than base Vegeta I'd probably say orange piccolo is weaker than ss blue. Piccolo definitely has the most combat skill of the guys on earth if he had power close to blue I feel like he should of soloed the whole situation.
Orange Piccolo is SSJB Goku level, this was officially confirmed already , the same piccolo who was able to keep up with Cell max who was stated to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta
@@amineramdan2856 broly also fought both Goku and Vegeta blue at the same time and I think the math on that was the person has to be like 3 times stronger than the two. It being confirmed he's stronger than blue is cool I didn't know that just assuming things out here
The point of Broly is that given enough time he can grow to anyones power, however long amd however drawn out it may be. That is his power. That is his danger. Period.
Okay a lot of people don't know this but if you really look at Broly yes he is a mutant because he's autistic he actually has Asperger's which in turn is the reason why he's able to adapt so quickly and his power is off the charts because of the Asperger's autistic Rage it gives them the ability cannot only be stronger than any average saiyan but also able to learn much much faster and also explains his limited speech capabilities
Piccolo v Broly- it's definitely a fight. I see Piccolo getting the upper hand early on (in his Ult Form). As you guys said, Piccolo has the techniques to lay on him. Not to mention his speed is up there as well. On the other hand, the longer the fight goes on, that's an advantage for Broly as his Rage will rise, powering him up. Now, going into their Orange & Legendary forms, I see this being more of a slugfest! I see Piccolo able to get more hits/combos in, but for every hit/combo, Broly is able to knock him back with 1 big hit! Unfortunately, I will give this 1 to Broly as I mentioned before, the Longer the fight, the more it favors, Broly!
The thing that’s crazy is that the Gammas are stated Moro arc Goku and Vegeta level who had Ui Omen and Spirit Fission Blue Evolution who was stated above that Goku Pre MUI and they could sense Moro so even the Gammas are downplayed. Also are we going to forget about Toriyama stating Piccolo is Current Goku’s Level.
Broly one shots orange piccolo as soon as broly gets angry enough. Piccolo cannot one shot even one shot base form broly because of his immense power even in that form and also because of the durability of sayians since they can't regenerate themselves.
Orange Piccolo being SSB level is severely underestimating him.
For real. At worst gamma 1 and 2 are equal to blue goku and blue vegeta and piccolo one shot gamma 2. He's way above blue and even blue evolution. In the manga he's definitely gonna be made equal to UI Goku and UE vegeta.
Exactly. I'm fairly certain that his ULTIMATE form is Blue tier while his Orange form is Ultra tier.
But saying that Orange Piccolo is only Blue tier is insane.
@@ggamesgarner8027 its so ridiculous to say that tho when you look at the context of how Vegeta and goku worked their way to where they got and how it was seen as ultamite power and gohan and piccolo were supposed to be miles and miles below even blue goku and vegeta train a few months/ get a wish and suddenly they’re ultra level. Not buying that until it’s definetly stated in the pages. + i doubt piccolo knows how strong goku and vegeta were at that point just how strong they were before
@@yonko728 goku perfected ultra instinct in 48 minutes when no god has with MILLIONS of years of training. A form goku didn't even know existed.
Broly goes from weaker than base vegeta to needing a blue fusion to beat him in the span of a few hours. When previously he hardly had any training and lived on a remote planet all his life.
Frieza gets so strong that he's able to one shot goku and vegetas godly forms with just 10 years of unknown training.
Jiren was so strong that he was able to literally one shot goku and vegetas previously strongest forms while being suppressed and was hyped up to be stronger than God's. What training did he do? We don't know.
So Gohan and Piccolo aren't an exception. Dragon Balls powerscaling has been terrible for a LONG time before beast gohan and Orange Piccolo. Almost every character in recent years including Goku and Vegeta have gotten extremely stupid a**pulls just as bad as piccolo and gohan. And Piccolo actually works hard and trains and was always STILL a joke. So I don't think I'm the only one when I say I don't care that it's an a**pull, I'm just glad Piccolo is on par with goku and vegeta and Gohan is the strongest again.
@@selfloathinggivesmelife7810 Yep. People also forget Toriyama said Piccolo was finally on par with Goku so Orange Piccolo is UI tier.
I;m just glad Piccolo is up there with the top dogs again.
Me to, I've been waiting for him to make a come back. Piccolo and Vegeta were always my favorite characters in DB.
Me too but I don’t like how they did it. Should’ve been thru training not a wish
@@brianjackson3031 I agree. The wish was a cop out.
@@bigred9991 more like an asspull😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@brianjackson3031 he's been training every day since he was born, what are you talking about?
I think you guys are discounting the fact that Piccolo was already beat up and wasn't at full power when he first turned into Orange Piccolo. I wonder how much different the fight would have been if he and Gohan both took the Senzu beans, instead of Piccolo giving his to Gohan near the end of the movie.
You know he can heal right?
@@devanplays3509 Yes, theres a healing factor for sure, but Im more referring to stamina replenishment in this example.
There's also the fact that this was his first time using the orange form, no doubt he'll train and develop it's power even further like Goku and Vegeta did with their SSB forms so the next time Piccolo goes orange might put him on a vastly different powerscale than before.
you know he use a lot of energy to heal right? so he wasn't in his best form at all during the fight against cell.@@devanplays3509
@piccoloatburgerking not to mention we don't even know the full details on how his transformation works or the limits of what its capable of.
But we still have to remember what Whis said to Goku and Vegeta in the Granolah arc, the fact that he said that in that moment there was nobody stronger that them in the universe, practically confirmed that even blue evolved post Yardrat Vegeta was stronger than Broly. DO NOT ATTACK ME GUYS, IT'S JUST WHAT WHIS SAID
This was prior to Broly's training
@@priestesslucy Everyone said that Broly has trained, but what does make us sure that he has? We don't even know when exactly has been brought on Beerus's planet, if months before Gamma 2's attack or mere days, certanly not before 4 months since Beerus was awake at that moment and he didn't see him
@@barryslayer5582 there’s a movie guide that states Broly is stronger than goku and vegeta
@@barryslayer5582 Goku was still scared of broly during the super hero movie. That kind of implies that broly would be more than just blue evolved level
@@ojpickle5923Goku was probably scared because Broly had trained and he didn't know if they could stop him this time. The thing I'll keep saying tho is that broly, goku and vegeta will probably fight Black frieza with universe 6 saiyans fighting the Frieza army. Would be the perfect revenge.
Beerus wasn't afraid of brolys power or his trouble with controlling it he was just afraid of what he'd do to his planet, we see broly create an entire crator just powering up when goku is instructing him
The bullshit yall make up for beerus is amazing. Where does it say that's what beerus was worried about? We seen him scared and that's it. U trying to make up your own reasons
@@0624tre bro it's just a inference made by observing the scene. I don't speak for beerus neither do i speak for toriyama or toyotaro, im just a fan of the work they do and can make my own thoughts on what they create. so relax its not that serious
@Abominable. naw observing the scene looks like he's scared. If he was stronger he could easily just knock broly out
U know how whis 1 tapped beerus. Shouldn't beerus be able to do that to broly? Whis does that when beerus is about to destroy his own planet correct?
@@0624tre lets just say beerus was surpised NOT scared. and yes beerus is the strongest being besides whis in universe regardless of where brolys power is beerus can just 1 shot him with a simple tap behind the neck
@Abominable. there is literally nothing saying beerus is the strongest
How about we just stick to what's actually written. Goku: I know this god of destruction named beerus and broly your probably stronger than him
Definition of probably: almost for certain
Beerus didn't want his home completely trashed. Broly turned Antarctica into a volcanic wasteland in Broly movie.
Can u show me the dialog where it says beerus was worried about his home?? That doesn't even make sense if he was actually stronger than broly couldn't he just knock broly out?
U dudes say anything when it comes to beerus
I'd give it to Broly for his insane potential. He grew to be stonger than both Goku and Vegeta by probably less than an hour in universe. Even by the end of his fight with Gogeta he was still a monster tanking shots from him and pushing Gogeta into SSJB.
Same here unless orange piccolo isn't that far below Broly's full power then maybe piccolo's smarts can somehow secure a win but also we do not know broly's cap, does he constantly grow stronger and stronger or is there a peak to his power.
I believe the toe to toe thing with gogeta blue was only for the theatrics. People who worked on the movie said that it was hard to make it seem like a good fight because of the power difference. I mean, look for yourself, broly didn’t land a single hit once gogeta turned blue
I wholeheartedly believe ssj2 gogeta could’ve wiped out broly but they just had him turn into ssjb for merchandise and theatrics
@@jimjamjon2285SSJ2 is too much, SSJ Gogeta was literally no match for Broly, he had to use SSB.
@@jimjamjon2285 not 2, maybe 3
The fanboy in me wants to say Broly but that wish gave Piccolo quite the power jump
Broly>>
There’s nothing supporting piccolo☠️
Don’t listen to geekdom
Everyone clowns on him and unreal when it comes to power scaling
@@Salciiiiii facts lmao.
YOOO Praided Waif! Great scaler
Personally, I do think Orange Piccolo is at Ultra levels based on Toriyamas statements (TBD in Manga)
Broly still Raw Dogs. If Broly can't turn Ssj theory is true as well, then Broly movie would slam. I would put Ultra levels around Ssj Broly/Gogeta levels. Ultra Levels just aren't as strong as people thought.
How you been revolushane!! Your vids breaking down vegeta were awesome.
I will point out this:
I think we need to take in consideration that orange piccolo is alot stronger than blue. Manga piccolo was alot stronger than people give credit for. He was fighting on par with ultimate Gohan and even can overpower a trained ss2 Gohan. Piccolos ultimate form is closer to blue levels in power if Gohan in ultimate was closer in power blue(gohan vs kefla considering kale trashing ssb goku). Considering piccolo went from barely keeping up with gamma 2 to then no diffs him with one punch just shows the massive jump in power. Gamma 2 had to sacrifice his entire body just to Crack cell maxes skull.
@@Thecor13revs been one of the best power scalers for a while now
Geek should get him on, he’s right about quite a lot
@@godoffury9170 right, I feel his videos are well fleshed out and offer solid analysis to the topics at hand
I agree
Seen Broly in my notifications and clicked immediately 😂
Broly and 17 is the best thing that came out of Super to be honest!!!
@@HulkMode365days facts!! 17 is my favorite character in the series.
I think something a lot of people missed in the Broly movie was his adaptability. It only took Broly surviving Vegeta and Goku's attacks once before figuring out how to counter and emulate their strategies.
I think for that reason Broly is a lot more deadly in the early rounds against Picollo. Learning Picollos combos would put Broly on game.
Now when he goes LSSJ it's a different story. Like yall said, it's a all out brawl of physical force.
I dont think he necessarily learns to counter the attacks I think he just grows stronger very fast that he can tank the attacks afterwards, and Broly doesn't have any strategy while fighting he's like the hulk and just fights like a brute.
@@melvinmitchell6014 well broly training on whis planet with Goku might change that 🤷🏿♂️
@@tuff3jay you've got a point I totally forgot about that.
@@melvinmitchell6014 nah because vegeta stated that he learns while fighting and also learned gokus godbind in a short amount of time.
@@JackRabbit5402 I know vegeta said that but I think it wasn't a literal statement because if that was the case he would have learned the Kamehameha the galick gun and even gogeta's techniques.
I think we overestimate Broly a bit.
He does get stronger as he fights, but as we saw in the movie, he has a limit(by the end of the fight, he was overpowered and regained his senses).
So I believe "Super Hero" Orange Piccolo beats "DBS Broly" Broly.
We have to remember that Piccolo was aware of Broly's strength, so if he doesn't think he could beat Broly at Full Power, he'd end the fight before he gets to that point.
Id even have to argue that vegeta would whoop broly too for real especially if hes a few years into his ego or whatever form comes next. Lil buddy came a long way . dammit kakarot
@Rawdog550 Broly literally regained his senses and froze up.
That was his limit at the time of the movie.
Of course, he'll get stronger as he trains, but he doesn't have infinite power.
@Roberto The Super Mutant That was not just for looks. We could see and hear that he was scared. And a few seconds later, he wasn’t going berserk anymore. He was looking around wondering what was going on. Broly was probably at his limit when he went shirtless against Gogeta.
Broly is such a overrated character I'm glad someone is something of that realm.
@Roberto The Super Mutant dude broky form is literally called super saiyan FULL POWER. He was at his limit and gogeta put him to sleep. It was so evidently with him staggering and coming back to his senses after gogeta causes that big nuke like explosion before the kamehameha
Cell Max was weakened by gamma 2,but what people forget is that piccolo didn't eat the senzu bean,so he wasn't full power either.
Facts
I think we need to take in consideration that orange piccolo is alot stronger than blue. Manga piccolo was alot stronger than people give credit for. He was fighting on par with ultimate Gohan and even can overpower a trained ss2 Gohan. Piccolos ultimate form is closer to blue levels in power if Gohan in ultimate was closer in power blue(gohan vs kefla considering kale trashing ssb goku). Considering piccolo went from barely keeping up with gamma 2 to then no diffs him with one punch just shows the massive jump in power. Gamma 2 had to sacrifice his entire body just to Crack cell maxes skull.
@@Thecor13 It's just fanboy bias people have for a specific character so they'll downplay other characters like Piccolo for example. Also the Gammas are blue level characters and Orange Piccolo one shotted one of them.
@Cassus Fett facts! See you definitely understand what we are all seeing plain as day.
@@Thecor13 Piccolo literally compared the Gammas to Goku and Vegeta and it's obvious he was referring to them at SSJ Blue
Broly’s adaptability is pretty much unmatched. The longer he fights, the stronger he gets. And it’s not like you can easily knocked him out in a quick punch
he couldnt adapt to gogeta blue nice wank.
The only way that’s possible is if there’s a massive power gap. For example gogeta blue and broly, but that’s not happening here because it was stated that if cell max was complete he would’ve been stronger than broly. But he wasn’t complete
Beerus was afraid of Broly destroying his planet lol Whis said Beerus wouldn’t like that
The cope is real
I wonder what Berrus and whis would have to say about Beast and Orange Piccolo
@@taecampus ?? Nah what you talking about man. What does "pose control and blow up " mean?? because broly Can not control shit..
@@taecampus I was completely shocked at what I read lol
Because broly Literally can't control shit lol That's his whole thing.
@@taecampusI don’t think Trunk’s form was a one and done, it’s just the fact that Trunks is not longer able to be seen again.
All I’ll say is imagine Broly getting all the help Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo have received? He never had Kai’s unlocking his power, or training with Angels and Gods, or getting power ups via Dragon. But look at the chaos he caused just from his natural power alone. Now imagine him with proper battle experience and training like the above. It wouldn’t even comparable. He’s the chosen one of the Saiyan race. And the only Saiyan in history to be exiled from a legendary race of warriors for being ‘too powerful’. That alone tells you everything you need to know.
Damn straight.
Perfectly worded!
Man this is hard! Broly has a lot of power and can adapt very quickly while piccolo is a very smart martial arts warrior with attacks like the special beam cannon that can amp his power to close even the largest gaps in power. I really can't say who would win.
Lol shut up. Broly would absolutely smoke him. He’s the chosen one of the Saiyan race for crying out loud lmao. Never needed any wish, or Kai’s or Gods to help him get new forms like the rest.
@@coreymichael1880 Calm Down Fan Boy. There's No "Chosen One" Of The Saiyans, Broly's Just Simply Far Stronger Than Even Elite Saiyans. Even If There Was A "Chosen One", It Would Obviously Be Goku Instead Of Broly.
Sorry, but as strong as Orange Piccolo is, i don't see him taking on Goku, Vegata and Freiza simultaneously like Broly did.
@@jasongriffin7927 "Far stronger than Elite Saiyans" That is an understatement, Broly literally dwarfs everyone including King Vegeta who is suppose to be the strongest at the time.
Broly has fanboys now? Why?
Apparently if cell max was perfect he would've been able to beat broly but since he wasn't that means he must be below him in terms of power. Piccolo practically lost trying to fight cell max yet people still say he's almost equal to Goku and Vegeta when that can't be possible. This is what happens when all we have is promotional material to scale these characters not that we can correctly scale them in the first place since the manga hasn't caught up yet. And don't use toriyama's "statements" as word because they're so inconsistent that they can't even be taken seriously anymore.
This what I be trying to tell people
Or, you just make the obvious assumption that Broly got stronger too, lol
@@sptflcrw8583just take the huge L soyboy. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think ppl forget but once power scaling comes back into play in the Manga Piccolo will be reduced to nothing again. In this movie, yes he has exponential strength, but they WILL forget about piccolo again, its just what this series is about. At this point Piccolo has nothing to offer which upsets me as well, but its just simply true
The vibe I got from the Beerus scene was more that he didn’t want to have to do any work
Piccolo is the best fighter on DB lore, and now he finally got the power up he always deserved 💪🏼
What about DB lore suggests he’s a better fighter than Goku?
@@brandonreed3670 buu saga is stated he's the brains,
@@brandonreed3670 Because Piccolo is one of the few relevant characters that makes their own techniques and regularly uses strategy that goes further beyond just "I'm better at martial arts"
@@brandonreed3670 Piccolo is definitely the smartest Z-fighter in terms of fighting he also has Kami's knowledge on top of that.
Piccolo IS NOT the best fighter in db lore! What kinda cap ass shit is that???
I dont care about the logic anymore: KEEP PICCOLO AT THE TOP PLS. He deserved it for literal decades. He went from being pan's babysitter to now being in talks with beating Broly, or at least matching him to an extreme extent
They cant take a step back for him now. Thatd make no sense. Hes good bro. BUT. My boy broly is at the top 💯💯💯
So much head canon in this video...
Yup
If I am being honest, Orange Piccolo is the more skilled fighter, while Broly is the more powerful fighter. If they were to fight, I do think that Broly would win against Orange Piccolo. There are many factors to consider. One is that Piccolo achieved his Orange Piccolo state long after the fight with Broly. Another is that Piccolo was behind Goku and Vegeta in strength before even getting the Orange Piccolo form, and Broly surpassed Goku and Vegeta in the fight in dragonball super Broly. Not to mention that Goku and Vegeta had to fuse into Gogeta to defeat Broly, and at his peak power Broly was able to compete with super saiyan Gogeta. Plus, Orange Piccolo is stated to be strong enough to compete with the saiyans. Along with how an incomplete and damaged Cell MAX overpowered Orange Piccolo, and the information that a complete Cell MAX would be too much for even Broly, these factors just point to Broly being the overall winner if he ever fought Orange Piccolo.
Also, I think Beerus was more afraid that Broly would destroy his planet than how powerful Broly is. Beerus is aware of what Broly is capable of, but doesn't necessarily see him as a threat. Just a possible challenge that can't control his power.
I just wanna see piccolo perfect his new form. I know there's more to his form
Why does no one bring up the fact that Toriyama stated Orange piccolo and Goku at this point are equal in fighting power, so that would suggest equal to MUI or even Tui Goku!
And he is oversees the granola arc and gives his input and helps write it
So he should means tui and ue
UI and UE didn't exist when Super Hero was created. The Super Hero story was created in 2016. Toriyama never mentioned UI when he commented on the movie.
@@M86-l2y the statements came out after the movie already came out in Japan, and just because it was started a while ago doesn’t mean the story is going to be the same all throughout, there was likely changes/ inclusions based on the anime/ manga, like Jiren, the gods of Distraction, Frieza being after Broly
@@orion5565 True, there were changes since then. But the fact UI and UE are never shown, nor does Toriyama ever mention those forms in post-movie interviews either, leads me to believe everything was being scaled against SSJB. We don't even know if Gohan and Piccolo are aware that UE even exists. The last time they portray Goku and Vegeta having been around the others was when Moro was defeated. That's the last known time we knlw they saw Goku and Vegeta. They may think Vegeta is still limited to SSJBE.
@@M86-l2y
1. Ultra ego has been around for a quite a while now, (June 20 2022) and it takes weeks/months to create a story board for a manga, so ultra ego had to have been known by the time the Toriyama statements came out reguarding everyone’s power, besides, they know fully well the power shifts for Goku/vegeta, so they likely knew they’d be around each other by this point, and that Goku/ vegeta keep growing stronger over time, so Piccolo likely took all of that into account, the androids should atleast be around Granola arc UE/UI goku/ vegeta, since that would still leave them 9 months to a year after the arc for them to be one shot tiers above them selves in the present, which is where Piccolo lies in power
The benefit of the Broly chapter coming presumably next month if pacing isn’t dragged out is the fixed scaling combing superhero and the manga the former was written before the granola arc so UE wasn’t a thing and mui was no where near as trained Jiren and broly were still major threats while in the manga they are surpassed by Goku and vegeta I say Broly takes this if he has surpassed Ui and UE in his training
Broly hasn’t been training though? All he could do was watch?
Yes he has been training that's the whole point he's there for
@@czar17_28 the novel for superhero says broly has been training on Beerus planet for three week iirc
@@godslayer8894 Yes but watching and actually training are two different things. They mentioned also how they don’t want him fighting to much because he gets out of control so he hasn’t even mastered his own emotions yet.
@@ty-ray1307 Noted. That’s. Idk if that’s enough time to truly get somewhere.
I’m just happy piccolo is back up there with the big bois! Where he should be! I’ve always loved the idea of Goku, Vegeta, and piccolo should be the strongest. Especially with the impact that piccolo has had in dragon ball.
Beerus wasn't afraid of Broly dude. The story has still shown that Beerus is much stronger than even Goku and Vegeta.
Haven't seen the video yet, Broly mid diffs.
Just heard him say it isn't as easy as you think, it is.
Edit: 4:15 nah, at *BARE MINIMUM* , Piccolo oneshots Blue. But most likely he Oneshots Moro arc UI.
I feel like he's at UI sign at minimum
@@turtato2155 lowball
This one was not expected at all, it would be very interesting.
Prided waif - the biggest broly fan boy. You can tell geekdom heavily disagreed with this dude but he didn't wanna be disrespectful 😂😂😂
I think "in a duel" Broly wins. In a "death match to protect the earth" Orange Piccolo doesn't give a fuck about pride like Goku/Vegeta, so he'll just decide to rip a max-power Makankosappo at base Broly and that's that.
Cause if you think about it Piccolo might literally be the only z fighter with the wisdom to end fights quickly before they have a chance to escalate into something really dangerous.
Eventually I want piccolo to train Broly since he already trained the other legendary ssj. Imagine gohan and Broly and piccolo’s dojo duo
I think we need to take in consideration that orange piccolo is alot stronger than blue. Manga piccolo was alot stronger than people give credit for. He was fighting on par with ultimate Gohan and even can overpower a trained ss2 Gohan. Piccolos ultimate form is closer to blue levels in power if Gohan in ultimate was closer in power blue(gohan vs kefla considering kale trashing ssb goku). Considering piccolo went from barely keeping up with gamma 2 to then no diffs him with one punch just shows the massive jump in power. Gamma 2 had to sacrifice his entire body just to Crack cell maxes skull.
I don't remember piccolo in the manga fighting on par with ultimate Gohan, piccolo never fought on par with Gohan in the anime either, it's said that Gohan in the anime is stronger than piccolo in super series, so piccolo never fought on par with Gohan, plus they were training then Gohan easily slapped piccolos hand off
@BreakableHate you forget the battle before 73 piccolo and Gohan trained. They were relative in strength as when they stated from facing 73. That's why when doing combined attacks they also switch angles when 73 was switching powers.
@@Thecor13 ohhhh, you meant that, but Piccolo wasn't on par with Gohan, they were just fighting together. Nothing was said that they were on par, just was fighting together against the android, but either way piccolo did some impressive feats, I don't remember where it says that piccolo is on par with Gohan during that time though, then Gohan got a rage boost, so idk if piccolo was on par with Gohan, could be slightly under his potential state and a lot stronger than his super Saiyan - super Saiyan 2
@@breakablehate2207 that's where I'm gauging him at least, and putting his ultimate form on par with Gohan Ultimate.
@@Thecor13 idk, he could be, put Gohan did unlock a new ultimate state in the movie against gamma 1 which made him stronger than piccolo and was fighting evenly with gamma 1 until orange Piccolo came along, potential Unleashed Piccolo in the movie is at least blue tier, gammas and Gohan is probably around blue kkx20 tier, other than that piccolo gotten stronger than Gohan for a moment which is nice at the end of the day
Piccolo takes it. The DBS Superhero arc takes place after Granola. In that arc Granola wished to be the strongest in the universe. That placed him above, well, everyone in the universe of course including Broly. So anyone that scales to Granola, which Goku and Vegeta did by the arc's end, would be above Broly. The Gammas are equal to Goku and Vegeta. This is the narrative goal and confirmed by Piccolo, the word's of a fighting and analytical genius. And he clean knocked out Gamma 2 with one hit. Then he went on to put up a fight against Cell Max. Put respect on Piccolos name, he is NOT just blue level. Yk where he's blue level? Ultimate Piccolo. Orange Piccolo was stated by Toriyama to have power "On par with Goku and Co". Orange Piccolo is an Instinct tier transformation
Facts on facts. I put more information down on it too detailing key details
Bro is not blue level
@@Thecor13 People be sleeping on Piccolo it's crazy
@El_Felkx facts man
Orange Piccolo being just Blue Tier is a HORRENDOUS downplay
Agreed
Literally knocked out a blue tier character lol
@@Mandalore_ultimate Exactly.
@@primalvelocity3811 The bias in this fandom is cringe
@@Mandalore_ultimate Indeed. It truly is. It's ridiculous.
I got Broly EASY he’s the literally the DRAGONBALL version of the hulk the angrier he gets the more powerful he gets.
Expect against gogeta blue
Piccolo is orange Hulk now
Beerus was sweating kioken blue when he saw it. He definitely was tripping on Broly, not the planet. I mean, it’s not like Goku and Vegeta don’t threaten his planet as it is with their training.
I know the movie was written before the Granola arc. But Orange Piccolo being SSJB makes no sense. When Toriyama said he caught up to Goku and Vegeta. It would mean whatever range of power they are currently. That's why I find it crazy when people say Beast Gohan isn't stronger than UI Goku. It's like when have these two haven't gotten new forms that are either relevant to the current threat & main players, or stronger. The whole point of new forms is to get them caught up. That's just my opinion though
Orange Piccolo is beyond SSB. Yellow Piccolo that was fighting gamma 2 was not that far off from gamma 2 in terms of power. They were trading blows, gamma 2 had the upper hand but he wasn't that far ahead of Piccolo. So when Piccolo goes orange, he turns the tables very quickly and creates a large gap of power between gamma 2 and himself.
If Gamma 2 is SSB tier, then this puts Orange Piccolo at UI/UE levels of power, which means, he could very well be on the same playing field as Goku and Vegeta from Granolah arc. Implying this was the last time he saw them and their powers all out.
So from a 1 to 15, i would classify characters like this (anything under 10 is ignored):
-Broly LSSJ (Broly movie, setpoint in the scale) = 10
-Gogeta SSB = ???
-Merus (angel form) = ???, probably a 12.5
-Merus (human form) = ???, i assume weaker than angel form, so 11.5
-Moro 73 = 10
-Moro 73 (+Merus) = 10.5-
-Moro 73 (merged with earth) = 10.5
-Full power SSB Goku/Vegeta (Granolah arc) = 10
-Gas (last power up) = 11+
-Granolah = 11
-UI Goku (hypothetical, movie) = 11
-TUI Goku (hypothetical, movie) = 11.5
-UE Vegeta (hypothetical, movie) = 11+
-Yellow Piccolo = 10
-Orange Piccolo = 11
-Gamma 1/2 = 10.5
-Gamma 2 sacrifice move = 12
-Mystic Gohan (movie) = 10.5
-Cell Max (incomplete, before nerfs) = 12
-Cell Max (incomplete, post nerfs) = 11.5
-Broly (hypothetical, post training) = 12
-Final form Freeza (post training) = 10
-Golden Freeza (post training) = 11.5+
-Black Freeza = 13+ / ?????
-Cell Max completed (hypothetical) = 13+
-Beast Gohan = 13
This is mostly based on feats, some of the hints throw in there and comparing what should be logical, like TUI Goku being higher than Gas with his last power up by at least a noticeable margin. Broly can't be properly scaled due to lack of feats, the only thing we have is that Goku was in panic mode if Broly lost his composure again, which means, Broly would have clapped him again. We also know Broly would not be able to handle a completed Cell Max and is more than likely comparable to the incomplete Cell max before the nerfs.
I feel like Cell Max would have similar scaling to Freeza post training. Golden Freeza has to be rivaling Goku/Vegeta in their best forms, black Freeza was at least 2 leagues ahead in the power scale for him to pull what he did to both of them with such ease, while also destroying Gas with no effort. Freeza's final form is more than likely rival to SSB state now. Considering Freeza was in final form and did a quick power up to finish off Gas and dial back down instantly, then to power up again and knock out the saiyans... Black Freeza suffers from Beerus syndrome right now, his power could be anything but i think it is fair to consider that freeza and cell max are on the same page, more or less.
Piccolo has to be beyond SSB with orange state, so him being 11, which rivals UI Goku, makes sense to me. TUI trades defense for offense, UE rivals UI and can go higher if allowed to.
I did no include Jiren into the mix because this list is based on movies and manga in a combined effort. Anime follows a different pattern than the manga, I would put jiren as a 9.5 in this list, based on the manga, if ignoring the manga stuff, Jiren from anime would be a 10.5+ with his limit breaker form.
Even tho it wasn't confirmed that Broly is stronger than Beerus. You can still put Broly in the same stratosphere as Beerus. Since Broly is close to Beerus. With the proper training Broly can easily surpass Beerus. I think that's why Beerus reacted the way he did when he seen him on his planet. It's Broly potential as a fighter that scares him
It says in the broly movie Broly is probably stronger than beerus. That literally means almost for certain he is stronger than beerus
@@0624tre yes I 100% agree 👍🏾
@@0624treBeerus is still the strongest in U7, sorry. Braindead Monkey is still outmatched by at least 4 other people currently.
Adaptability vs IQ 🧐🤔
I think y’all should have a baseline of which broly y’all are talking about because that fight with Vegeta was his first time ever fighting. So now that he’s training with Whis, Goku and Vegeta his experience should be there. He was learning insanely fast how to fight and tap in to his power vs Vegeta. Now he has experience and I just don’t think that post trained broly will be the same broly from the movie. That will have that accelerated adaptation ability combine that with the fact he is a little more sane while fighting I think it’ll be interesting until Broly goes super Saiyan
Also since
Nothing confirms Piccolo doesn’t know about Perfected UI or UE because it’s been years since they fought Granola and Gas.
The phrase is totally ambiguous.
Right
@Geekdom101 Hello Geekdom Happy Birthday and I enjoyed this review of yours for this episode. Can you please make a tier list on all the arcs of the overall Dragon Ball Franchise? Thank you
Dragon Ball OG
Dragon Ball Z
Dragon Ball GT
Dragon Ball Super (Manga arcs as well)
Super Dragon Ball Heroes
While not canon as of yet we notice that piccolo can sense the fight between Goku Vegeta and broly so if those events take place around the same time maybe slightly before super hero than that means piccolo could have been comparing himself to them from what he was sensing from the broly fight. Now if he is on par with them from then... that would mean he's above base broly. Still though Goku and Vegeta were playing chicken with ssj broly and running so if piccolo is equal to blue or above that'd mean he's just about equal to ssj broly and would get absolutely wrecked by full power broly.
And I think the narrative that's been consistently teased since Broly's movie is that he's strong enough to be compared to Beerus. Beerus was relieved when Broly was beaten in the fight was over at the end of the Broly movie. We get a statement that Broly is probably stronger than Beerus by Goku and Toriyama. And then in Super Hero, Beerus freaked out when he found out Broly was on his planet.
Those aren't just coincidental statements. Even if he's not 100% Beerus level, he's definitely right around there.
But again. Beerus is the never-ending moving goal post.
He just didnt want his planet to get destroyed.
Broly cant control his power and he turned a big chunk of the artic into lava when he poweredup.
Bro sounds like he's definitely not a piccolo fan
Piccolo never took the senzu bean right? So he wasn't at his best when cell max came into play
@Smallville Clark thought so cause he still had his bean but he out it in his belt but piccolo was still able to keep up with Cell for a bit. so if he was fresh, piccolo most likely be even with cell or maybe a little stronger if im high balling him
2:33 Piccolo, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Frieza, Cell, Majin Boo, 18, and Pan are fighting geniuses too. This term has been worn out seriously haha
Great video man
The thing is...can broly survive a orange beam cannon though....it doesn't just hit...it peirce through?
Finally, the most wicked and calculatory fighter of DB is back.
When you look at the symbol on Piccolo’s back it looks almost like a Chruncyroll Symbol.
Orange Piccolo isnt just above blue hes comporable to UI Goku now dude
Pls stop smoking crack kid it’s not good for you 💀
Yeah its crazy how many people are in denial about this after they all WANTED piccolo and gohan to be on goku and vegetas level for years. Now that it finally happens all people do is complain?
Dragon ball fans are honestly like star wars fans at this point.
@@ggamesgarner8027 EXACTLY. The whole point of Super Hero was to make Gohan and Piccolo relevant again. How would they be relevant if they're only Blue tier? Being Blue tier isn't that impressive anymore.
@@ggamesgarner8027 People complain because of the excecution. It's a story at the end of the day.
@@spritvio639 people shouldn't have expected anything different from super. Almost Every character I can think of in recent years have had terrible god awful a**pulls. And yeah it wasn't executed properly but if any characters deserved to get a**pulls next it's gohan and Piccolo.
I still believe Broly with 1 year of spirit control training from yardrat would low diff nearly everyone with his sheer energy control. All the power we see Broly display even in the movie is a small fraction. He lets his power leak out like a running faucet he doesn’t know how to fully tame it. That’s what made Jiren head and shoulders above everyone hardcore training and absolute energy control. That makes a users attacks sharper harder and the user would drain only small amounts of their power. Yardrat training makes the most sense and serves as a solid foundation before any type of sparring. Broly would master his power and have full control over his emotions and he would temporarily share a world with way weaker beings but build on his awareness that absolute power needs to be wield responsibly so you don’t hurt anyone you care about or wreck a planet. Also, a bit off topic but when we discuss characters with the most potential I think we needs to discuss the nature of their inner potential because they may not all manifest in the exact same way. Broly’s power sky rockets when fighting opponents either stronger or enough to push him but his power is like what I said earlier a leaky faucet or a volcano. Gohan’s inner power is locked and dormant in him and is unlocked based on both his mental state and emotional triggers. And finally frieza’s inner power seems to be very massive but it runs EXTREMELY deep. Way deeper than he even knows. So we would see him randomly train or try different methods and he will constantly have rapid power ups and even shock himself with how strong he can become. Black Frieza MAYBE could be Frieza’s current plateau but who knows if that’s even his peak. I know with confidence Uub is on this list. Giving divine ki at a young age without knowing what he’s doing is still one of the most slept on gigantic power feats of this series
12:09 speaking of resting after broly was transported back to planet vampa with the dragon balls, im guessing since that fight he got a major zenkai after fighting gogeta and his base form probably is around broly ssj level and his current ssj is far stronger than that maybe somewhere near gogeta blue level. these saiyans man... and their zenkai boosts, though their is the idea that after a saiyan reaches ssj their zenkai boosts become signifcatly smaller to where it doesn't make much of a difference
I disagree with the guest speaker, Orange Piccolo is WAYYY stronger than Blue. Ultimate Gohan is Blue Level and still had to fight off Gamma 1 but Orange Piccolo EASILY took out G2.
Exactly. Ultimate Piccolo is Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta level. Orange Piccolo is Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta level.
@@primalvelocity3811 orange piccolo is not UI And UE Level
@@XJSPlays02 Well we don't know for sure bc it's never stated yet
Yo keep it up. Great video!
great video
I'll use this moment to give my Theory about Broly, Goku and Vegeta fighting Black Frieza and U6 saiyans fighting the Frieza army.
I give it to piccolo because of his experience and weird power set, but dragon ball characters rarely lose to someone who’s weaker than them even if they have more skill/experience so in reality Broly would probably win
I think beerus is probably fairly nervous to fight broly since not only broly is a martial artist so it wouldn’t that fun to begin with but also of chance broly getting strong too fast.
I think Broly’s growth factor is over exaggerated by fans too much. Yes he got stronger as the fight went on in the movie but he clearly hit ceilings too then was prompted into surpassing his limits (like all saiyans do) by Frieza. I don’t think he would of been nearly as competitive and continued to get stronger if that didn’t happen. Same when he fought Gogeta he just surpassed the limits of his SS form. Point is, his power isn’t limitless, just his potential is. But I feel that can be said for any number of our heroes at this point including Orange Piccolo.
But it is as easy as you think
Plot armor
It's the will of the writers they would never let Piccolo win against Broly.
15:00 Frieza can’t regrow entire limbs like Piccolo can.
Lack of control of his power. Beerus was afraid of him accidentally destroying his planet
We have seen Piccolo's new forms once in a movie. It's not the same in a manga or anime. The same with Broly. The new forms have something extra on top, in the case of Piccolo. He could get more powerful with every training and every fight like a Saiyan. I'm sure Piccolo is going to keep getting more powerful.
Broly wins low diff, piccolo is stronger until broly goes super saiyan(not even fp ss) but not strong enough to put him away for good. Broly mouth blast him into a mountain k.o.
I really honestly think people think Piccolo's new forms have not been tapped into. Piccolo's new forms as we know with any forms has a much higher start. Piccolo's new forms could let Piccolo became much more powerful. Piccolo's new forms are just the beginning of how powerful he really is and what he can become. Piccolo is just learning how powerful he is and how powerful he can be.
No matter what I am glad my guy Piccolo got a glow up. Not only that, he turned into my favorite color.
Hm, one possible Scenario or win Condition for Orange Piccolo is he's likely aware of how much Broly's power can go when out of control (He was most definitely aware, Goku used him as an IT beacon to fuse.) If Broly starts raging and raising his power and is distracted enough, maybe Orange Piccolo would try to Snipe him with a Special Beam Canon ala Beast Gohan.
If he's still relative or manages to condense it enough. He may make go from a terrifying monstrosity of a Saiyan, to dying like Raditz if it hits him in a vital area.
I don’t think beerus is afraid of broly. During the entire movie, beerus was chilling on a beach. Nothing not sitting by stressing over the fight. And then we know black frieza is far stronger than broly, but when Goku and vegeta came back from all that, beerus wasn’t worried about that either
I think Beerus Planet is locked off from the universe in order for the 3 Saiyans to max out their training, so no sensing energy etc to avoid distraction..Goku didn't know vegeta was on Beerus planet long before their training.
I think Beerus was afraid of both
I know yall LOVE to move the goal post with his power level
But Broly, Black Frieza, Goku, Vegeta all are right there with him in power at this point
Broly lacks control
That's why he was like why you bring that lunatic here bruh?!?! Cuhh be on that BS I saw that clip in the directors cut of the movie
Lol
I wonder since Piccolo is above blue and Gohan getting immensely stronger, I could see them training now with Goku & Vegeta with Whis + Beerus 💪🙏🤘
If you think about It tho, Jiren ain't that muscolar compared to the likes of Broly, Toppo and Orange Piccolo. I mean, he sure had bodybuilder muscles, but he Is Just a bit taller than Goku. While the other 3 are Like 9 ft plus...
What if Android 18 had not thrown that match to let Mr. Satan win? Would the people of the earth have listened to Mr. Satan pleading with the people to give their energy to defeat the Kid Buu if Android 18 had not thrown the match at the World Tournament?
No, they won't.
I saw it as Beerus being afraid of Broly's power getting out of control and making a big mess of his planet
So is the next piccolo recolor going to be purple?🤦♂️
No wtf
If Piccolo ever does get another form, I feel like it'd be red since that would be a more natural progression.
@@selfloathinggivesmelife7810 Why would he get another transformation?
@@Mandalore_ultimate Money.
@@selfloathinggivesmelife7810 Regardless this fandom complains about the dumbest shit
Downplaying my boy Pickle Toes. Smh
Broly hasn't ever really gotten a zenkai, furthermore when sayians fight someone way stronger than themselves and survive they tend to be stronger afterwards regardless of zenkais. So broly after that asswhipping from gogeta WITHOUT training even should be a good stronger. Not to mention him having more experience tapping into his potential/ using his true power.
Piccolo Wins
I know God ki has gone to shit.Anybody can be ssb level now.DB Super writing is fucking trash.Shit...Black Frieza might as well be able to one shot the grand priest now.I honestly have been enjoying the fan mangas a lot more these days.
PridedWaif being a Broly fan, defending him non stop😆
Orange Piccolo’s only weakness against Broly is his own power. The longer he fights Broly. The more Broly will adapt to the fight. So if Piccolo has a greater power it will only be until Broly surpasses it mid battle.
Broly stopped adapting at or near the end of his fight with gogeta blue
If Piccolo can land a special Beam cannon, it's over
To say piccolo is anywhere near broly is wack, the Gotenks fusion had to fail because they'd just soloed cell and on that logic ssj 3 Gotenks is weaker than base Vegeta I'd probably say orange piccolo is weaker than ss blue. Piccolo definitely has the most combat skill of the guys on earth if he had power close to blue I feel like he should of soloed the whole situation.
Orange Piccolo is SSJB Goku level, this was officially confirmed already , the same piccolo who was able to keep up with Cell max who was stated to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta
@@amineramdan2856 broly also fought both Goku and Vegeta blue at the same time and I think the math on that was the person has to be like 3 times stronger than the two. It being confirmed he's stronger than blue is cool I didn't know that just assuming things out here
Bruh ...
The young guy was assuming a lot but he’s got a future if he keeps on.
I’ve never seen Piccolo rag doll a super sayian at peak strength before.
I’ve seen Broly do it though.
The point of Broly is that given enough time he can grow to anyones power, however long amd however drawn out it may be. That is his power. That is his danger. Period.
I'd say Orange Piccolo wins. He has many techniques, plus he has a high battle IQ
Okay a lot of people don't know this but if you really look at Broly yes he is a mutant because he's autistic he actually has Asperger's which in turn is the reason why he's able to adapt so quickly and his power is off the charts because of the Asperger's autistic Rage it gives them the ability cannot only be stronger than any average saiyan but also able to learn much much faster and also explains his limited speech capabilities
I was thinking if Orange Piccolo can defeat Buu.
He can.
He's far surpassed Majin Buu he's literally above SSB
Piccolo v Broly- it's definitely a fight. I see Piccolo getting the upper hand early on (in his Ult Form). As you guys said, Piccolo has the techniques to lay on him. Not to mention his speed is up there as well. On the other hand, the longer the fight goes on, that's an advantage for Broly as his Rage will rise, powering him up. Now, going into their Orange & Legendary forms, I see this being more of a slugfest! I see Piccolo able to get more hits/combos in, but for every hit/combo, Broly is able to knock him back with 1 big hit! Unfortunately, I will give this 1 to Broly as I mentioned before, the Longer the fight, the more it favors, Broly!
They could’ve came up with a wayyy more epic way for Piccolo to achieve his Orange form
I agree ..he is the only person other than Goku Vegeta and Tien who take their training seriously.
The thing that’s crazy is that the Gammas are stated Moro arc Goku and Vegeta level who had Ui Omen and Spirit Fission Blue Evolution who was stated above that Goku Pre MUI and they could sense Moro so even the Gammas are downplayed. Also are we going to forget about Toriyama stating Piccolo is Current Goku’s Level.
Broly one shots orange piccolo as soon as broly gets angry enough. Piccolo cannot one shot even one shot base form broly because of his immense power even in that form and also because of the durability of sayians since they can't regenerate themselves.
Do Mui Goku & UE Vegeta vs Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo.
To avoid controvery we should assume they are all relative to each other