Why fans HATED these albums (the toxic truth)
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
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Fans HATED these albums: Green Day "Father Of All," Linkin Park "One More Light," Avenged Sevenfold "Hail To The King."
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0:00 Intro
2:01 Green Day
8:03 Linkin Park
13:30 Avenged Sevenfold - Розваги
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Honestly, Sharp Edges Was Linkin Park's worst song.
Question @thepunkrockmba who is that kid in the end of the video shitting on the rev I wanna watch the original so bad but I can’t find them😂
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8:00 Gotta Disagree. Billy Joe telling off I heart Radio is the most Punk on brand thing he ever did.
It made me respect em all over again. Clear channel,/ I heart ❤️ Radio destroyed punk . They suck and this was a long time coming.
There is a big difference between live metal fans and online metal fans tho. When i go to music festivals or live shows, everyone's super nice. Online there is more assholes then good people.
dude the internet is just a giant pool of trash people. Like I go shows and people are super cool and have fun but online its different so I stop really taking what people say online seriously
I was never badmouthed at metal or hardcore shows as a kid. At school yes, but never there. School is much like online communities today. It's easy to badmouth behind a screen.
Agree. And I think Finn needs to realise this before criticising metal fans as a whole for something an online subset does.
@@PNWMOTION I agree, but the same people online are the ones at the shows, the only difference is the positive atmosphere and everybody who goes to a concert who genuinely loves the bands has a great time! Also, people just act different on the internet and it's much harder to communicate through chatting/texting.
Those people on the internet are the same people as real life. People just tend to act different on the internet because it's difficult to empathize through a screen. Most people wouldn't be caught dead saying the things they say on the internet IRL bc manners exist in real life
As for Linkin Park, my problem was never the fact that the band became less heavy. My problem was that they completely lost their sound, their aesthetic and what drew me to them in the first place. I mean, some of my favorite LP songs are not "heavy" and Reanimation is my favorite album from them, which is mainly hip hop when you look at it. Tracks like My December, Breaking The Habbit, High Voltage, Session, etc. These were not even rock, but they all shared one thing in common : they were dark, moody, urban and sounded super futuristic. When I think about early LP, I see a world - a world they managed to created through a very specific sonic landscape. I don't remember who said that but early Linkin Park felt like the embodiment of "man meets machine". And their aesthetic in their first three records embraced that too; urban, street, dystopian, etc. And right from Minutes To Midnight, they completely lost that. I still enjoyed songs from other albums, but they never captured that same "sound" and vibe. Which is what I think A LOT of fans are "complaining" about, even those who can't quite find the right words to express that.
Exactly right. I've never had a problem when a band changes their sound, but you can still recognize it as the same band. It's when they become completely unrecognizable soundwise that is such a huge turnoff. LP did that w/ OML and a lesser degree 1000 Suns.
...I liked Minutes to Midnight BECAUSE it hit me like Led Zeppelin 3 hit me. I thought Linkin Park was going to be loud angst but I found they could do angst a bit quieter. Meteora may be better but MTM is what fills me up.
Shout out to a fellow high voltage enjoyer. Totally agree btw. I would never be upset at the band for doing what they want to do. But I can express my disappointment when they change their sound so much from what I loved about them in the first place (which wasn't angsty heavy music)
Totally agree reanimation is 100000000000000 times better than one more light
I kinda agree with your point here almost entirely in regard to the aesthetics, but only about OML in regard to the music - all the other albums still seem to me as a sort of “natural sound progression/expansion” that I would expect from most of the biggest, A-list bands in the game. But even OML deserves some love, imho, when I look back, it was just too big of a shock (and as a hardcore Chester Bennington fan I’d listen to that album a hundred times per day if that could bring him back 😢😢😢)
My understanding of A7X Hail To The King is it’s a tribute album to bands that influenced the band. Metallica, Megadeth, Motörhead, Guns N Roses, Iron Maiden influenced songs were premeditated. Awesome album IMO
that album is actually the only one I like from them
Hail to the King is a good album tbh. It has some of their best songs but also some of their most meh songs. Also, I respect the fact that the band wore their influences on their sleeve on this album, but This Means War definitely crossed a line where it copied the Sad But True formula and just changes melodies and notes around. It was a bit too Greta Van Fleet for me.
That's correct, and it sucks ass
It was, probably was outside of the older members of the fanbase, most of the fanbase didn't grow up on those influences. So that sound and style dosen't have a nostalgic connection from them. But it also made sense that they deviated for that album as it was the first album truly with some distance from the Rev's passing. And he was a big big part of what made their sound. And it was going to be near impossible to replicate without him. So this style album kind of let them work around that loss easier.
Matt did say before the album was released that it was going to be a tribute to their influences. A lot of people didn't get the memo and immediately accused them of sounding too much like this band or that band, which was kind of the intent the whole time. And on top of that, all of the gatekeepers didn't like it mostly because it did well in the mainstream. I think it was a great album and couldn't care less about what people think about it.
I feel like there’s been unfair revisionism of One More Light because Chester died. The main issue with the album is the sound which obviously didn’t change after he died. It’s still the same album.
It's still a crap album, I agree.
I agree.
@@RandomAussieGuy87 I don't
@@andrewvanhalen1984 yes
Pretty much. Just because lyrics are emotional doesn't mean the music is great.
The interesting thing about One More Light, there is no catharsis that their older music brought, there is no release, which on the surface makes it feel like a more bright and positive record, but instead has this sense of content of either moving on or crossing over, which given the end result, felt like the latter, which proves Fynn's theory that this album crushingly sad. This album in some instances feels like a white light before you die
Battle Symphony, being a somewhat cheesy sounding, generic "uplifting" song that doesn't really work, actually fits so much. It represents those fake friends and support groups who say "you got this" or "I believe in you" which have no actual help behind them. As a result, you end up with One More Light, as that empty help ultimately didn't fix any problems and only pushed that person to stop sharing their emotions.
Nailed it
I remember liking Hail to the King when it came out and I had been pretty hyped after discovering A7X through guitar hero, funnily enough. To this day, City of Evil and Nightmare are 10/10 albums in my opinion and Hail to the King was a damn solid one as well.
They're all great albums, it's really "Life is But a Dream..." that is their worst album. Hail to the King is probably some of their best work.
@@gigachad2162 i really like libad! its up to your own opinion.
@@gigachad2162I agree, LIBAD is kind of bad, I think it's because matt loses his screaming ability
@@OatmealRoblox i like his screaming as well but i’m glad he stepped down from it in order to preserve his voice. i’d rather have him make more albums with singing than not make any more at all.
@@gigachad2162 to me hail to the kind is probably their worst. one of the things that makes this band so great to me is that all their albums have a pretty unique sound to them. hail to the king being so heavily based on Metallica along with others made it just feel boring and unoriginal
Been a Linkin Park fan since I was a kid. While I do see, or hear I guess, other people’s points about every album after Hybrid Theory and Meteora, I do still love all their albums. When One More Light came out, I went in with an open mind after seeing all the mixed reviews, and I still loved it right from the get go. Then again I love lots of different genres so I kinda expected “yeah they’re doing something REALLY different here.” When Chester passed away, I clung to their music more than ever, especially as I was moving house at the time and didn’t have a moment to grieve.
One day as I walked to the park near my house, I had my headphones on and Heavy played on shuffle. Then I kid you not, it felt as if a hand was resting on my shoulder. I looked around and no one was there. It sounds cliche, but the warm summer breeze was blowing and I felt like Chester was with me. I sat on the swing and for the first time in weeks, I let myself cry, the one next to me swung in the breeze. As I listen to the album now, I listen with a new perspective and appreciation, especially the lyrics. I miss Chester so much.
dont we all. it sucks but im with you i like all there albums now and i came to a point where i will listen to anything yes even country but my 3 i listen is rock pop and rap.
I’d say aside from One More Light, all of Linkin Park’s studio albums are great, but it’s Linkin Park’s experimental nature that threw off fans that wanted them to stay the same no matter what.
Albums like A Thousand Suns and The Hunting Party were actually received positively by music critics, even at the time. It’s just the “fanbase” that turns a blind eye and cries for “mUh hYbRiD tHeOrY” and “mUh mEtEoRa”, without giving the other albums a chance.
If you really like music, and have an objective ear, you’ll give all the albums a chance, whether you like it or not, and that’s a fact.
Despite Finn’s public disdain for meatriders, I am unashamedly the biggest Avenged Sevenfold meatrider, can’t wait for his album tier list so I can get upset when his rankings don’t match 1 to 1 with my own! Thanks Finn!
I am also a A7x meatrider
Ride that big king meat Finn , we all are!!!!😂
Old a7x was the best man it's hard for me to get into their newer stuff.
@@bobafett109 I personally love their newer stuff and the experimental shit they’re doing, but I also think The Stage and LIBAD are kind of intended to be experienced as the sum of their parts and not necessarily as individual songs outside of the singles. First time I heard the singles released for LIBAD I was like wtf is this but as soon as I heard the whole album it clicked for me.
@jacegrant29 Unapologetic A7X fan who’s loved all of their albums besides their latest release and 7th Trumpet. So I’m curious as to what your opinion on the new album is
Hail to the King intro is fucking iconic and clean. Fuck you if you hate it.
Cope harder! It sucks!
Cope harder! It sucks!
@@ginov.7039A7X sucks period.
I've been a big Linkin Park fan for a long time now. Still listen to their music till this day and they've always been the band I listen to the most every year on my Spotify. For me, OML is the best album from them because it's so emotionally heavy and a lot of the songs in the album speak to me in a very personal level. If you look at their entire discography as a whole, it can actually shows how they've matured through out the year. Started as angry kids who felt lost and unheard in their older albums, then became an adult who has had their fair share of loss and tried to get through it
Perfect!
It's a shitty album
@@franciscoalmeida9019 Do you know that people can find different meanings and enjoy different things? Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
@@franciscoalmeida9019 What a great counter argument
@@postl3 Hybrid Theory was just as emotionally heavy but without relying on mainstream pop outfit to boost sales. Is it so weird now that when people hear Linkin Park they want to associate it with Nu Metal rather than Justin Bieber's genre?
The sounds are also too damn generic. Nothing original about the whole thing.
My Problem with One More Light, and I’m pretty sure this is shared with critics as well, is not that it was a pop album. Linkin Park have made fantastic songs that took pop elements into it. What I’ve Done, Burning in the Skies, Iridescent (A Thousand Suns is my favorite LP Album btw).
The problem is that it wasn’t a good pop effort. Nothing about it really screamed “Linkin Park”, and without that, the songs lacked identity.
I’m not one of those people who dismisses LP’s albums or songs because they don’t have heavy guitars or because Chester doesn’t scream, some of my favorite LP songs don’t even have screaming in them at all.
But there are elements that build up Linkin Park’s sound. Experimentation (pretty much in every one of their albums except One More Light), Mike and Chester’s vocal chemistry, Brad’s Guitar, Mr Hahn’s turntabling, transitions and neat interludes, genius instrumentation, simple yet genius lyrics, catchy melodies. One More Light largely lacked almost all of that, with the only exceptions being the Title Track and Talking to Myself.
If you say an album is bad because it’s pop, then you’re genre-blind, and that isn’t a valid argument at all. But the thing is that One More Light isn’t a good album in its own genre either. It’s just okay.
Does it deserve the hate it gets, or had got? No, not in the slightest. It’s still not their best work, that goes to A Thousand Suns and Meteora.
As far as Linkin Park goes…now you gotta ask the question. Would One More Light be as revered now if Chester was still alive? And my answer is No. Regardless if you think the backlash was deserving or not you gotta look at this from the fans perspective. Linkin Park changed their sound so many times that fans got tired of being yanked around, and their previous was a solid alternative rock album. To go from that to chainsmokers radio pop would give anybody audio whiplash. What I’m saying is, I understand why people didn’t like it.
@@Wailmur I’m afraid I don’t know what you mean?
I agree. I personally like all of their albums, but they were all so different that many people would find it impossible to like every single one.
When I was 12 I heard hail to the king and I went to my mom and asked if it was metallica. Then she said she didn't know and told me to ask “uncle rob”. He told me it was avenged sevenfold and decided I had to see them live. He took me to my second concert ever front row for A7X and A day to remember.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if people got it confused with Metallica, Hail to the King sounds so similar to the Black Album
I listened to One More Light once then i couldn't listen to it again, it's just so heartwrenching to me.
Same here, but because it sucks
It's amazing
The title track, yes. But the album, sounds like Linkin Park was trying to appeal to the Katy Perry crowd. Say what you want about A Thousand Suns, at least it sounds like Linkin Park.
I had to listen to it multiple times before realizing how not bad it was. I personally like it better than stuff like MTM and ATS
album is epic, after your brain grow up
Dude, I truly love your take on "One More Light." It is such a meaningful album to me because of it's content, and losing a friend to suicide, it connects me to that person whenever I listen to it.
Did not like it first time, still don’t like it. LP changed to be a pop project, which is fine. More power to them. Minutes to Midnight sucked. Thousand Suns sucked. Living things and Hunting Party were good. OML was the worsts.
Yeah, I get it. Emotional heavy lyrics, blah blah. I honestly don’t care for lyrics in any song.
So here is an opposite perspective and I respect yours totally.
For me, the music is at the forefront and the lyrics come last imo. I would not like One More Light if it was written poorly, and I would not consider myself a pop enjoyer. I think the nuance of One More Light is lost on some, perhaps it takes having thought of suicide or losing a close to suicide that makes me digest the album differently, but I feel a similar type of way with Thousand Suns as well. Projects that are all encompassing, almost to the extent of concept albums, are more impressive to me in the risk/challenge of their execution. It may be alienating for those that want an album full of singles type material, but to create a comprehensive ecosystem for a whole album that the music maneuvers through as it develops is monumental to me. Akin to Bach or Beethoven from my perspective. @@sermilion_audio
@@sermilion_audio "A Thousand Suns sucked" Why is that? Becase they are not screaming ? That is such a massive L take. Its their best record.
@@sermilion_audio I don't know why you listen to LP at all in that case then, because their music has ALWAYS been about emotional depth and heavy lyrics. Plenty of bands out there are just to jam out too, but LP really ain't one of them without the lyrics.
@@sermilion_audio "I honestly don't care for lyrics in any song" brother is a republican lol
I very distinctly remember the disappointment that Hail to the King was to me. I was 14 years old off at Boy Scout Summer camp. I had just gotten into Avenged Sevenfold about a year prior and thought Nightmare was such an intricate album with songs like Save Me. Let’s just say as a teen just getting into actually following artists and albums I was very excited for the follow up. I went out of my way to take a 7 mile hike to a spot that had reception just so I can UA-cam the album. Only for it to sound like, much like you said, the black album. Which I played out on my CD walkman by the time I was 9.
I saw them a few times on that tour run. It still love the band, but cringed at the songs. After returning to the album around when the stage came out, I really grew and appreciation for it. the title track is still overplayed and makes me cringe to this, but now I absolutely love songs like Crimson Day, Acid Rain, Shepherd of Fire, Heretic. Though I thoroughly enjoyed the record now, it is still just above my least favorite album by them, sounding of the seventh trumpet. But life is but a dream absolutely FUCKS. Love those guys.
The Stage is their best album
@@mattbarth3205 musically, I would agree, vocally absolutely not. Definitely steppingstone to life is about a dream, and they complement each other very well.
It was really funny to me seeing that critic put Warning up there with Dookie and American Idiot when that album was derided when it came out. There are some bangers on there but critics and fans couldn’t cope with the acoustic guitars. Hindsight is a powerful thing!
Warning is my fav Green Day album BECAUSE it goes against punk by not being punk. So...really, it's anti-punk but its still good!
I love this video idea, please do more of this. Your explanation and breakdown of each album is done well
That last bit about being snobs when it comes to the appearance of the metal band makes me think of Helmet, which was the very first heavy band I saw that was just frat-looking dudes with ball caps and Polo shirts. That got mixed reaction from the scene, and I honestly think they would be talked about more today if they had dressed and styled themselves more like a traditional metal band. For my part, I loved how they looked, because I was a little wannabe skater kid, and so my style was closer to theirs then any other heavy band.
In the Meantime is an absolute banger!
I got into linkin park a few years ago, after Chester passed away but I truly love the entire discography. I obviously didn’t grow up during their peak (I’m only 19) but I enjoy all their songs, minutes to midnight being my favorite album.. and they’re truly the only artist/babd I enjoy. I truly wish and think about what could’ve been if he was still here
I still think minuts is a great album. I think it’s their second best. The only album i didn’t and still don’t like is one more light, even though my music taste changed and got less heavy. from nu-metal to powermetal and glammetal
Its so annoying that people think OML is some sort of a goodbye album or having signs in songs while he only had writing credits on 2 songs.
That opening is a Certified classic 😎👌
Link to OG vid pls
@@bryanbinayas5044 I second that 😎👌
But it's not
I loved Linkin Parks first two albums. They really are what got me into metal. Minutes to Midnight was ok, but I was definitely one of the ones that became disappointed by their further and further steps into pop music. By the time chester died I hadn't paid attention to Linkin Park in years. They'll still always have a place in my angsty teen heart.
Scary that Green Day has been around for 3 decades... I still think of them as new band. I'm freakin' old.
I was one of the few fans that absolutely loved everything that linkin park published. Meteora, Minutes to midnight, hunting party. You never knew what you were going to get from one album release to another, and that excited me. It feels like they grew up with me. Hybrid theory in my teens, all the way to One More Light in my 30's.
Same, I can listen to whatever they put out. Same with Mike.
I like your list so far and I don't want to see Living Things on it...
@@goosegooseproductions9587Seriously though, Mike shinoda never gets enough credit. I'm probably one of the only people who thinks that Mike was one of the big reasons the early albums were good. I wonder how many people know that he actually got some of LPs genetics in Xero, back in the late 90s. Also, he is carrying the band's legacy right now by publishing his solos. I have so much respect for him.
I turned my nose up at anything remotely emo or goth back in the 2000's. Now looking back I know for a fact that I missed out on a SHITTON of great music
Lol you rly missed the best time for emo music
Calling “American Idiot” on par with absolute punk classics is insane to me
Hail to the King sounds like 90s Megadeth, which is a good thing.
Maybe its sounds good for old metal fans, but not for A7X fanbase(at that time) which expected more sound like City of Evil, Self-Titled or Nightmare and probably Waking the Fallen(I still wish to get album which will sound like some of these, but after "Life Is But A Dream" i don't have any hope - "The Stage" was good)
It's mixed is all. I'm in the fanbase. I loved the album. Sure I was wondering why it wasn't so heavy (like their 'normal' shit) but shits good.
i mean, all the albums you wanna hear already exist. they arent gonna just rehash the shit the did before. @@dev1anceONE
It did. And As someone who grew up on metallica and megadeth I actually enjoyed it. But I get why the majority of the fanbase who are younger than me, and probably didn't grow up on those influences it was alien to them. I think it did make sense for them to try something new to them where it was the first album truly with some distance away from the Rev's passing. As the Rev was such an instrumental part of their sound. It was going to be really hard to try and replicate what Jimmy was able to do for them. So they took this route which happened to not have nearly as much of a demand from the drumming position.
Hail to the King, the song, is the most generic slow boring metal song I've ever heard.
His take of "you listen as much with your eyes as you do your ears" really hit home with me. I was that stupid kid back in the day, i judged bands like Black Veil Brides and the like cause of how their fans and them looked. Getting older, in my early 30s, ive had a bit of a musical retrospective. While i cant say im a fan of their album or them per say ive found tons of new songs by them, Pierce The Veil and Sleepong with Sirens.
The trilogy had some great stuff that if you rolled all together you'd have one pretty good album. I stand on that. Can you track down that kid from the end of the video?
Its young Finn
Ikr ngl I enjoyed most of the trilogy dos I feel like being the strongest in the trilogy
Reminder: disliking things or even hating them isn’t toxic. Feel however you wanna feel about things.
Great video, vintage Finn. You were insightful, you made a great point of the online music community. Yeah ppl def shouldn’t be so critical without being opened minded.
Ppl called Mac Miller’s last album too emotional too and he unfortunately passed because he was taking drugs to deal with his personal issues.
The only thing i hate about Green Day is when they wear Leopard print!
The metalheads where I grew up fucking loved City of Evil.
Right? Lol it was the self-titled that people were hesitant on(which is a killer album)
@@gingeranagram2467 City of Evil , Nightmare , A7X (self entitled) and HTK all killer album
Fans have no idea what they want. If a band does something different to their music, people complain. If they keep doing the same thing, the people still complain.
To your criticism about rock and metal fans only wanting loud heavy, sounds, I would say yes that's true to a degree, but that's also what makes it...well...rock and metal. Most metalheads have appreciation for other genres and actually Linkin Park was one of the few bands that really bridged a lot of genres at once. What other bands could get metalheads, emos, hiphop B-boys, rappers, and pop fans to collectively like one band? Very few I imagine.
The problem with One More Light was it was such a vast divergence from the sound that we came to associate with Linkin Park that it didnt feel like them at all. It would be like if Taylor Swift tried doing a technical metal album. I'm not at all saying bands should stick to a formula and play, but a big shift like that is guaranteed to throw off fans who fell in love with a particular sound in the first place.
and honestly this is what made me lose interest in their later work during the time of its release. minutes to midnight was the last album i purchased from them and i remember how i felt listening to it, its very jarring when an artist completely flips the script on the sound that you associate them with. that’s not to say an artist can’t evolve or experiment, i think requiem from korn is a good example of them evolving but also keeping familiarity with the identity of what makes korn, korn. in the case of linkin park, their later songs had Chester using his voice differently, the band was barely even playing at times, mike was hardly involved vocally, and even the dj elements disappeared from their songs.
Nonetheless i will always respect their craft, vision, and desire to transcend the nu metal genre especially if they never wanted to be associated with the genre to begin with. their classics will be cemented forever.
and it was probably didn't help that it was such a drastic change from the band's previous album The Hunting Party which was their heaviest record with the return to their Nu/Alt/Rap metal roots and many people probably thought the band would follow that up with OML.
I'm really glad you spoke about One More Light specifically because it's one of my favorite albums of Linkin Park and one of my favorite albums in general of all time. I know so many people who hate it, even more so before Chester's death. I grew up with Linkin Park and was a huge fan of Hybrid Theory and Meteora, but Linkin Park ALWAYS tried new stuff, even in those early 2000s years there are so many demos and remixes of the songs that they released and so many different sounds even within the album(s) itself.
The Hunting Party, Living Things, A Thousand Suns, all of those albums were so much different than each other and so much different than the previous albums. The only constants were Chester's vocals and Mike's raps. And I honestly think that Chester's lyrical prowess is insanely underrated (as is Mike's) and that it feels like most people never understood what the band was about. They always wanted to experiment, and they always put their feelings out there for everyone and spoke about things that other bands rarely do except in a shallow way.
We can obviously look at One More Light and say that it was ratcheted up 10x on that album, and it was, which is part of the reason why I love it so much, but this was nothing new for them. They've been writing about the same things for 20 years. I feel like if you followed the band at all and listened to them you should have known and not been surprised when they released those types of albums with those types of songs. None of it was shocking in the least. It feels like the only people who didn't know where the ones who only ever listened to the popular LP songs on the radio and never listened to the lyrics at all or comprehended them. The moment you hear Mike or Chester talk about their albums or their processes or what they write for I don't know how you could ever just peg them as a nu-metal band to just jam out too.
LP's songs have always been about emotions, they've always been about causes that are important to them.
This reminds me of a classmate of my cousin. That guy was really into Mötley Crüe in the mid 80s . until he saw some promo pics. They lived in an area which could be described as the German Wyoming or Manitoba.
He probably thought they were hot and got scared or something
Man, your videos have lots of info, which I love, about bands I don't listen to. 😅😅 it's always good to learn something new, instead of reading magazines in the 80s, watching YT in the 21st century.
“One More Light” may lyrically be the darkest stuff they’ve written, but I listened to Linkin Park for the total package. I wanted the music to have hooks and harmonies and hip hop elements that their previous albums all had too. This was just a hard left turn when they were on the right trajectory for years. No thanks.
Green day: the antiestablishment punk band that isnt punk and full-throat fellates the establishment
Umm they are anti Trump and he is a major establishment politician….
Similar to Rage Against the Machine. (Not saying they are punk)
@@elile8567 you're 100% correct
💯
They are a COMPLETE JOKE!
One More Light album also had the most song written by people not Linkin Park. That made me feel like this album was not a genuine band album.
They worked with several guest producers to get the sound they wanted, the writing credits reflect that. It’s mostly a business/royalties decision who gets credited anyway.
LP never wrote anything that they didn't all have a part in writing. This album had some co writers but they all had equal time as Mike said they all wrote these songs and tokk some direction. Peace
There seems to be a different kind of thinking when it comes to heavy music. Some people, like Chester apparently, think that heavy music is somehow inherently tied to being young, which is not what I believe. I think Chester's statement was totally bullshit, probably one of those people who go soft and call it an "evolution" as if heavy music was somehow only supposed to be a starting point. If you like heavy music, then you just do, be it at 20 or 40 or 60. If I wanted to hear pop, then I would just listen to pop, there's plenty of pop artists out there.
And so, do you fall into the category of Chester's age (at the time he made those comments), or the 'being young' category?
True that. I'll be 40 in just a few months and I'm still into heavy music just as much as I was when I was young. I think people confuse the themes you sing about when you're a young adult with the music itself. You can mature and sing about more adult stuff without having to soften your sound. There's plenty of crap going on in the world to sing about. Btw, I also hate this "evolve" bs as if it were always for the better. It's not.
And let's not forget, a lot of times people make music just because that's what's "cool" at the moment, maybe some record company pressure, and that's not even the sound they wanted to make in the first place. Not sure that was LP's case, but it makes you wonder.
I am old. I am 56. I am a metal, hardcore, punk, and industrial fan. With that said, I truly enjoyed the whole discography of Lincoln Park. Both "Living Things" and "One More Light" were incredibly raw and emotional. People say they "got soft" or sold out must have not listened to any of the lyrics.RIP Chester.
One More Light was ass and that won’t ever change.
@@GetAsCloseAsYouCanAgreed
@@GetAsCloseAsYouCan I'm kind of a pop-hater but I thought that album was pretty alright.
@@gernothartig never heard Hybrid Theory or Meteora? Check’em out.
Its hard for me to say anything negative about any band because im still listening to music and not recording. Its like complaining about the president without ever voting. Makes me feel like a fraud. Anytime I criticize a band im like shit at least they're actually making it happen.
I stopped listening to Linkin Park before the release of "One More Light". Not because of the band, but because LP helped me through a dark period, and I guess once I started getting out of it, I needed a different type of music, if that makes sense. Still have them in my playlist, but I play them way less than before. With Green Day, I never REALLY listened to them, of course I know classics like "American Idiot" or "Boulevard of Broken Dreams", and maybe a few more but that's it.
With A7X, I really started listening to them probably about 2 years ago and since then I became a hopeless fan of everything they've put out (aside from Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, which I suppose anyone would expect...). I had no idea about the hate they got, or any sort of details aside from the music I was listening to so my experience was free of anything outside of just what I hear. I remember vividly, liking their music was an acquired taste, multiple listens to understand and get the vibes they were sending. Matt's vocal gymnastics and nasal vocals were very weird to my ears initially. But they were growing on me, without me realising. Slowly I started adding to my playlist songs that I didn't like initially, then going back to albums and trying songs I never tried, only to not like them and then liking them.
But all of the above did not apply to "Hail to the King". That was the only album I put on, started listening, and went through the whole of it, the very first time I played it. I loved it. Helps I guess that I also am a Metallica and Pantera fan, however many A7X fans are fans of those bands as well I feel. So why the fuck would I hate this album when it sounded so classic, and right on par with my other favourite bands?
THEN after I got so invested into the band (enough to eventually get Syn's Schecter Sustaniac guitar, and pre-order Life is but a Dream on Vinyl + a Hoodie), I started hearing that HTTK was hated, they were hated for their looks, then I started reading shit like Syn's guitar playing sucks and it's sloppy, the lyrics are shit, all that kind of thing and I was mind boggled, like, are we listening to the same thing? And I guess we are, but one of us was listening prejudice-free, while the other wasn't.
Sorry for the long post.
(16:30) fair assessment here. These tracks also got alot of radio play as well which helped bring the older fans back into the fold.
Honestly, i don't think Chester's passing changed people's perception of that album, but what it did change was people's perception about Mental Health issues, it made people more aware of how serious the subject is and made them more empathic and understanding or at least more respectful about it.
The issue with One More Light is that they tried to go pop and they crashed and burned in the process.
While BMTH had a pop effort in amo, it was a great record with well rounded pop songs (medicine, in the dark, mother tongue) and heavier songs (MANTRA, sugar honey iced tea, Wonderful Life)
The things you said about Chester and MJ took me back to the amazing movie with Robin Williams “Worlds Greatest Dad” where Williams’ teenage son die in a masturbation accident and suddenly he is treated as the hero of the school. Or you know to quote Amity Affliction “Everyone loves you, once you leave them.”
That movie was a trip.
Idk if you take requests, but could I get a "What Happened" on Meg Myers? If you watch her '14 Lollapalooza set, it's spellbinding. And then something happened..?
I'd pay to see you cover her trajectory, if you have an option for that, or maybe you could work it into a larger video about female lead acts in rock. You do great work.
I discovered A7X around the City Of Evil era, and subsequently went back and listened to STST and WTF and fell in love with the music. I can see why HTTK isn’t a favorite in the discography for people, or even why it’s been blasted by so many people, but for me I liked it and bought the CD when it first came out, and years later bought it on vinyl when I started being obsessed with vinyl. I still like the album, and the albums they’ve released since that are kind of a huge departure from what they use to be in the “Warp Tour days.”
this is probably the most important video that will be uploaded to UA-cam today and I hope it goes viral because people need to see and hear this
thank you, Finn!
Great video! This is reminiscent of the pre MTV reality days (as much as I miss those too!) I wish people had better taste because I'd love to see more videos like this
It's interesting how you were talking about how metal fans hated A7X for their look and not their sound, cuz as someone that's always looking for new music to get into and that actually listens to everything, I genuinely couldn't imagine that there are actually people like that. It's like you said, they're closing themselves off from finding music that they might enjoy, had they actually given it a chance, which I couldn't have said better!
Hail to the King is literally the album that got me into metal. I first listened to it in the car on the way to our holiday destination, and I must have listened to Coming Home hundreds of times in those 2 weeks alone
Some people will hate a band or album just because everyone else does. When you ask them why they hate it they can't give an answer. 😢
OML is bad because of how bland the sound palette is. Father of All is bad because there isn’t good production and the songs don’t sound finished. And the lyrics suck.
@@prometheustv6558 have you ever produced a record?
@@justinbowen1183 no because that’s not my job
@@prometheustv6558 not my job either but with the way computers are nowadays anyone can capture the sound and send it off to a mixing engineer to finish. Plus you can make a couple thousand bucks off of it.
@@prometheustv6558 then how would you know what a good record sounds like?
As a father, who previously suffered from depression, and had a friend who committed suicide.
I Can’t believe guy from LP committed suicide.
My man in the red shirt needs a hug.
Still remember the day Hail To The King dropped and how absolutely brutal the reaction to it was. I didn't Love it at first because I missed the more melodic stuff on their earlier work and obviously, you felt The Rev's absence. But, it's grown on me, I have a much deeper love and respect for it now than I did a decade ago.
I LOVE One More Light! I didn't listen to it when it first came out, I went most of the 2010's without listening to Linkin Park and once I got back into them and discovered the albums I had missed, OML was easily my favourite and in my top 3 LP albums overall. Sharp Edges is one of LP's best songs they have ever written. I get Heavy ear-wormed in my head all the time and it doesn't bother me. While it is poppy, it's also very dark. I love the contrast.
Hail to the King is actually the only Avenged Seven Fold album I know... it's pretty good. I just never got really into the band to know their other stuff. Good album though.
Father of all was weak. Agreed.
1 more light is a very beautiful song close to the soul.
Hail To The King really helped me get into A7X and metal in general. That and Nightmare. It took me longer to get into albums like City of Evil and The Stage and now I appreciate them a lot more and have moved away from HTTK. Still some banger tracks on there like Coming Home and Acid Rain
i will never understand why people get so hateful whenever they don't like a new album. I have been disappointed so many times by how artists i used to love changed their style, or if a new album was not what i hoped for, but in the end, they don't owe me anything. Its their music.
And also, many times if you keep an open mind towards new things, you find amazing songs that you maybe didn't love at first.
Finn loves calling artists out for being incredibly cringe but Green Day has been the most cringe band on Earth for a decade plus.
Did you even watch the video?
You have to remember that Finn isn’t really a punk. He’s a wealthy, suburban emo kid with an MBA, and a lot of the things he says in his videos expose that he read about punk on the internet rather than learning about it in the scene.
@@Blackdiamondprod.Correct this guy knows zero about punk. Well educated maybe suburban kid definitely
Your the reason why we have mental hospitals 😂
Great content as always.
One more light is one of my favorite albums. I was young when it released and not fully involved in stuff like how people responded to it. It’s one of the hardest hitting albums I’ve ever heard and it didn’t deserve what people said about it. While I’m glad people see it for what it actually is now, they should have seen it as such when it released.
Per the Green Day section:
Album art - Billie on looking at the state of the world in 2019 said he floated the idea of releasing an album called "American Idiot Part ll: Father Of All Motherfuckers" which probably explains the re-used artwork. Still just an awful idea and album cover though, I would've been fine with just the unicorn on a black background
RevRad - this definitely wasn't phoned in. It was a more focused GD after the failure of the trilogy, considered return to form by most fans and not to mention just has some absolute bangers (Forever Now is in the top 10 of all GD songs for sure). Plus it gave us Still Breathing, which may have won them a lot more fans due to its message
Imagine if Father Of All actually had the title of 'American Idiot 2'. Then it'd actually have damaged American Idiot's reputation
@@taxevasion4870 not to mention Green Day's. Even I as a huge fan would've been like nah boys I'm done now
Linkin Park definitely feels the bite from the "it's different so it sucks" crowd. The back half of their catalog is pretty underappreciated because it's not Hybrid Theory 2: Hybrid Harder. And yet, albums like A Thousand Suns and LIVING THINGS have very powerful, poignant songs.
When it comes to Studio albums, A Thousand Suns is their Magnum Opus, in my honest opinion.
It’s an album that has some of their deepest and most experimental songs, and when listening to it from start to finish, it’s a phenomenal experience.
LIVING THINGS is good too.
i judged motionless in white a lot when they first hit the scene for how they dressed. now theyre one of my favorite bands, funny how that works out
What I have learned in life, and esp the last 5 or so years, is people can no longer find joy in anything. It's like the human race peaked in the 2000s and everyone is just chasing that feeling of what it was like back then, which is why EVERYTHING IS RE- RELEASED or REMASTERED. Or if you weren't old enough to remember that time period all you hear is "back in my day" and people just living in the past and saying this time period sucks. Linkin Park for example changed from the nu metal sound to something different, yea I wasn't happy about it because I liked hybrid theory a lot, it was my first time hearing that kind of music. But I respected their choice to move on from that and change just like we have the right to change our own paths...I dunno it's crazy though how people think these bands and artists owe them something.
The hate One More Light got upon release actually really made me super upset at the time. I loved the album and everything it brought. I always appreciated LP being able to evolve and adapt their sound over the course of each album cycle. And then everyone collectively changed their mind when Chester died and that kinda pissed me off too. Like, everyone only loves this album now because he’s gone. It shouldn’t have to be like that!
tell me about it. do you think that chester would be with us today if the fans love the album?
@@user-zd1oc3pz8s unfortunately no. I don’t think anything was stopping Chester from taking his own life. Fan backlash to the album I highly doubt was the final straw for him. This was something he’d been struggling with for years.
@@lexsellsmerch3512 oh. Ok thanks.
Seriously Green Day , in their 50s, still do the " see how crazy we are? Take that conservatives" bit. Tre still makes wacky faces constantly. Billie Joe " i wrote mfer on the album man! Now that's punk. So cringe.
I mean, even thought I dig the album cover for Green Day's FOAM and even though I'm a MASSIVE, hardcore fanatic of them as a whole, even I have to say I agree with most people when they said that album was a miss, with the exception of a few songs. I thought Father of All, Oh Yeah and Meet Me on the Roof were pretty decent songs, despite the fact the former two were acquired tastes
I didn't even know about the hail to the king one since that plus not ready to die in call of the dead was what got me into the band and it's been up there as my favourite ever since. Also I think the stage is my favourite a7x album. Don't know why I'm sharing this, I just like that album I guess.
Seems unfair to act like people were crazy for saying One More Light was basically a pop album when there was a track literally featuring a pop singer. Also, its not that absurd that people wanted Linkin Park to sound like Linkin Park. To me, Meteora was an evolution of their sound, playing down the rap-rock a lot and really letting the vocals shine, but One More Day was a complete shift that no one wanted. Doesnt mean the songs werent good for what they were, but you can't act shocked at a bunch of rockers expecting rock music from a rock band.
I will say, it was definitely a really sharp turn, ESPECIALLY considering it came right after their heaviest album, The Hunting Party.
I feel like it wouldn’t have been as negatively received if it came out after, let’s say, A Thousand Suns.
Now ATS imo is much better (literally comparing my least fav album by LP with arguably their Magnum Opus), but it was a really steep turn after the release of The Hunting Party to release a pop album.
I do think people should be more open to different genres, but I see where you’re coming from.
One more light was terrible, the only albums that were flawless was hybrid theory, meteora and living things. Say what you want, but trash is trash. If you can’t realize when a great band did a really bad album you’re more a fanboy than actually want to see them succeed for doing good music and not bad music.
One more light is better than Living Things. Minutes to Midnight is better than both of them
A Thousand Suns and The Hunting Party are amazing too.
I’d listen to them over Hybrid Theory if I’m being honest.
Don't know how else to ask you this other than in the comments
But could you do a video covering the band "Fenix Tx" and what the hell happened to them?
I loved this band and they seemed like such rising stars.... then nothing... always seems odd to me and never really found out why they broke up.
Be amazing if you'd cover this.
Loving the videos, keep up the great work. Rock on.
Your insight is refreshing. I'm a weirdo when it comes to A7X though...and my lack of interest in Hail to the King and pretty much anything afterwards apparently differs from the mass opinion for different reasons, regardless of the similar outcome. I won't go into specifics, but the cameo of the band at the end of Black Ops II is ALOT less of a parody than you think. I'm crew with a performer that did a gig with them and I was a fan until the only person in the band that wasn't a basic jock D-Bag behind the curtain was The Rev. Musically speaking, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, Waking the Fallen and the S/T album are all bangers, but other than that, I could take or leave everything else.
I love Hail to the King
There's this thing that happens where an artists perception of their own music, diverges from the audience perception of it. So, in the case of a band like Linkin Park, or a more recent example in Architects, the artists makes a certain genre of music for a time and that is the genre that pulls people in. Now, if you've only ever written metal, suddenly moving to a more radio focussed sound is actually going to feel incredible experimental, because you've never done it. In the context of your own body of work, it's actually incredibly creative, because you're breaking new ground. And that's the whole point, artists want to challenge themselves and be creative, But, from the audience standpoint, they're going to view the artist in the wider context, and in that perspective, the thing that feels so creative to the artist, now feels pedestrian to the listener. The artist moves from being a big fish in a small pond, and that gamble can either pay off, or it can be a disaster. In the case of Architects, they went on to have a number one album in the UK and they play massive venues, but very clearly are very much at odds with a segment of their fanbase. In the case of Linkin Park, in the wider context, that transformation didn't really pay off to the listener, because in that more radio friendly context, what made the band unique didn't translate in the same way. You could make very similar arguments from A7X, Trivium during that Silence in the Snow era and a bunch of other bands. Personally, I want bands to be as free as possible to create how they want, I probably just won't be bumping a lot of it, and that's fine.
I still remember when one more light was released, The hunting party couldn't hook me even tho I was expecting "a mature hybrid theory" (cause that was the way magazines and media were selling it)
When I heard for first time one more light I admit I didn't like it, in fact, I don't remember any songs beyond "One more light" and "heavy"
I still remember how lots of creators were making rock covers of every single song of the album
When Chester passed away, I was deeply depressed, Chester was my hero, I love him with my heart, so... I gave a second chance to one more light and again, I can't remember another song but those 2 I mentioned before
However I did understand how deep was the album and what Chester wanted to say before what he did...
About AX7 Life is but a dream was the album everybody hated (including me)
Hail to the king was amazing af
Green Day forgot you have to produce quality content instead of just being a political mouthpiece for (D)esignated party.
I stopped by to say hail to the king still sucks. Later dudes
Except for the title track ❤
Unfortunately the writer I like the most wasn’t on the album. For obvious reasons 🫤
I too am saying this
Nice contribution and in depth analysis to the discussion. You should write for Rolling Stone with such well thought out critique.
@@CrankingItWithJeffToobin thanks man
"When they did the thing the metal fans were asking for, they still got backlash."
This perfectly describes metal fans.
Can you make a video on howcome Trivium sucks after Shogun?
I really love Ascendancy and Shogun, but everything after that is completely bland, and missing everything that I loved about Trivium, yet people really dig their newer albums, and i dont get it
Once again, I am ASKING you to create a history video on At The Gates and how they influenced metal forever.
"If we do a bunch of songs that are too similar, it drives us crazy. That's why we make songs that don't sound the same. And then we do [it] different, then what happens? It's this part of, like, the core of why the evolution and why the experimentation is a thing for the band."
(Shinoda, 2017)
i absolutely fucking love hail to the king.
btw, you should have mentioned the crusade by trivium.
I love your view on music. I subscribe and like and that’s not my thing. I just wanna say keep it up. I think I your so right and as a hardcore and punk rocker you do the best job. No hate here, people like what they want, and good music shines through 🤙🏻 keep it up Finn, I appreciate it.
Would love to see you do a video comparing Green Day to Blink 182. The Beatles and Rolling Stones of that era
I was listening to LP the other day and I was wondering how they became popular. If you look at each member of the band none of them are very good, but somehow together they made this incredibly catchy music.
That’s the thing the pisses me off the most with Linkin Park fans. They absolutely shitted on One More Light and ripped Chester apart limb by limb emotionally. Then after he’s dead then they love it? It’s fucked up. Just like the song, “you don’t know what you got until it’s gone”.
First of all. LP put out a great first 3 heavy albums, and A Thousand Suns was massively underrated. They owed nothing to their fans. And while I wasn’t a fan of everything they did after that, I still have massive respect for them doing what they did.
I also think there’s a difference between looking up to celebrities and investing so much time into them, that we almost see them like spectacles. The parasocialism in our society is causing people to forget that the same things that happen with celebrities, happens to everyone everyday. We just don’t have camers recording everything we do. It’s almost caused us to become a more insensitive society that’s lost touch with reality. I definitely struggle with it sometimes, but it’s gotten out of hand.
Hey just a heads up to maybe put a flash warning at the beginning of your videos because when you include footage it’s obviously super flashy. Just a suggestion as me and my partner are epileptic and I know lots of people are photosensitive. 👍🏻
(old school metal fan here) HATED A7X for many years…until my wife got me to
listen to hail to the king/nightmare album. It actually got me hooked and i started appreciating ALL their albums. I’m seeing them live for the 2nd time this weekend. They’re amazing! I learned not to be so judgy!
Great video! I completely agree with your stance.
I think a good idea would be to look at how people reacted to notable changes in style. Avenged Sevenfold is a good example of this whether you look at their most recent album or even their self-titled album. How people react to experimentation is really interesting and I think it would be cool to look into it
I grew up listening to all kinds of rock especially Linkin Park and I was born in 2010 I was raised correctly
The cruelty of fans is sad to me. Anger, rage, and resentment can be channeled and processed through music, causing some relief, but instead, these feelings become identity markers of a genre. Music can unite us with all our human complexity. When we choose to divide over silly things like what a band we don't even know personally wants to create next, we decide to live in the past, not grow. It's ok not to like an artist’s latest work. I say, enjoy the nostalgic songs that make you feel good and let the artist have their journey. You can still support them for all they did for you during a specific time of your life.