Top 5 Worst PS2 JRPGs Ever
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- The worst JRPGs ever released on the PS2 are here, games that only serve as less than shovel ware in the genre.
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Tell you the truth, while I understand your complaints, BoF V is still one of my favourite games on the system. I would go as far as saying that it's a hidden gem, hidden under the insane amount of hate that it got through the years. Combat isn't nearly as bad as you figured, especially once you implement traps in it and I found myself actively using all 3 party members in battle. I also understand how restarting the game must be frustrating for most, but to me it made it a very unique gaming experience, getting rewarded with new weapons, parts of dungeons and especially cutscenes felt pretty good! Especially because the game eventually becomes really easy and you can run through the whole thing in just a few hours and eventually you discover that the game has a pretty good management aspect to it that ultimately leads you to Kokon-Horay. It's not for everybody, by all means and I totally understand how you didn't like it, but I also think that it doesn't deserve this spot and especially all the hatred.
It's one of the best, most inventive RPGs in the PS2.
Agreed wholeheartedly..
Dragon quarter was incredible..
Very solid combat, a solid ost and a story and a gameplay deeply interwined..
You are not a dragon..
You are a human that got "infected" (fused) with a dragon but struggles to keep being human: when you find a poor being objectified for her function (Nina, basically an air purifier) you stake your claims to humanity by trying to save her.. if you cannot even save an helpless being you (Ryu//the player) won't even feel like being human anymore, but just a base beast made of instincts , a dragon and not an human..
On this complicated balance hinges both the story (you don't want to be a dragon, but at times you have to rely on its power, ultimately getting more and more dragon-ified, in powers, in aspect and in behavior) and the gameplay (your rating and your d-rank unlocks some area, affects how powerful you actually are, etc)..
So you got to be more than just a bottom feeder, but what's the cost? And are you sure you want to pay it? And if you pay it, will it be worth after you reach the sky? Is saving her, a quest that will fulfill your purpose and keep you tied to your humanity, an humanity to which you cling so painfully while.getting to know more about the dragon that you think is a monster, and the top rankers who treat everyone else as disposable garbage acting like the monster you're portraied as?
Heck the game is very good, and overly ambitious..
My only real gripe is that the group is "flat".. the third member it's just a third wheel that doesn't ever feel "functional", and I would have paced it a bit better...
And boy, oh boy, when people speak of "git gud".. limited saving, hard fights, etc.. this is the "git gud jrpg" at the first playthrough if you don't abuse the solr restart and want to keep a reasonably low dragon percentage...
Also this game has Bosch..
I would love a new breath of fire, and while I would prefer a more "by the book"-one, with dragon transformation, masters, variable party, etc,.this game is by no frigging means a dud.. it's just an experimental game that unfortunately sealed the fate since a lot of jrpg players cannot appreciate when a games strays too much from the "canonical approach"
totally aggreed, Kokon-Horay is the real challenge. Also, they implemented like a speed run in that game when you want the best grade of the game , making one of the best replay interest
They basically took everything that defined a "BoF" game and did the opposite. So I can understand the backlash.
But yeah, on its own merits, I think it's one of the best RPGs ever made.
@@RoboBoddicker I ALSO LOVE THE THEME AND ATMOSPHERE, the ending is perfect.
I cannot disagree with this guy more about Dragon Quarter. Wow. I mean, first off, DQ had the balls to change things up and STILL keep the lore from the previous games. Second, the game absolutely NAILED the survival horror theme and dark souls like bleakness of Ryu’s situation so much that beating the game is a friggin miracle in about itself. Not because of the challenge, but the expectations for your character is THAT low. So, triumphing in the game has this sense of accomplishment after failing multiple times.
"Gets crushed by a giant pachinko machine based on TIME AND _FUCKING_ ETERNITY"
It's now my new favorite sentence. Touché.
King's Field as a series for me is all about the exploration, aesthetic, and atmosphere. No other series gives me the feeling of truly exploring a dead, dangerous ruined place like those games do. I'm into things like urbex, and the games actually give me the same vibe as some of the spookier places I've been to.
KF4 is actually in my top 5 for the PS2 lol. The only reason I even ended up buying a PS3 at all back in 2009 was explicitly because I heard about Demon's Souls being a spiritual successor to the KF series. You're right about the Souls cult fanbase though. Can't even have an honest discussion about any of the games anymore, because no matter what you say on most forums, the instant you aren't fellating the game with all your might, you'll be flooded with 'git gud' or 'skill issue' BS.
i liked King's field back then but i can't stand the slowness nowadays, it's boring for me.
Funny how this only happens with Souls shit. There are tons of hard games out there, including games that are harder than the Souls games, yet I don't see their fanbases using the difficulty of the game as shield against any criticism.
skill issue, git gud, gatekeeping is a good thing, etc.
Personal opinion: Anything that resembles Shadow Tower blows.
@@seanc786 Shadow Tower is where they quarantined all the terrible ideas they didn't want to ruin King's Field with.
While I love the normal breath of fire series (and miss it), I also quite liked Dragon Quarter. Most of the criticism I hear about the game can be boiled down to 'why is this not like the other breath of fire games? ' Honestly I think the games structure was a little ahead of it's time, and I have a feeling if it was re-released today with a slight overhaul of some of the clunkier oddities of combat, amidst all these roguelikes it would be met with much more positivity.
If only I can play this on Steam...
@@myanimeroom9350 Sounds like you own a PC...so why use Steam to play this...there are plenty of free PS2 emulators out there (emulators are not illegal), and you can buy the actual game disc for cheap, so you can play this game legally through emulation.
@@justingates4985 I don't have access on getting my hands on the original PS2 game therefore emulation will not be possible. I just want to have this game on Steam for me to play it whenever I want. Thanks for giving me options, though.
@@myanimeroom9350 What? How can you not find a Playstation 2 disc that is still widely available on eBay, Amazon, and at countless mom & pop resale shops? There are at least three stores I know of in my local area that have a few copies of this on hand, regularly. Are you not in the US or something?
First, I liked King's Field way before Souls became a thing. King's Field 2 was the first game I ever played on the Playstation, and I found the slower pace and exploration to be rather enjoyable. Second, I happen to like Ephemeral Fantasia. It wasn't perfect, and the music mini-game was a pain, even more so with the awkward controls for it, but I enjoyed it enough to get the three different endings. And finally, as perhaps the only person in existence who enjoys Time and Eternity, I feel I should probably say something... Eh, I got nothing.
I loved Time and Eternity. Did a Let's Play of it last year and made sure to showcase the good and bad.
Same here, I really did enjoy the exploration in King's Field: The ancient city and Ephemeral Phantasia I really liked the story concept but the music mini-game was frustrating. That alone didn't make the game 'bad' for me though.
I bought this game expecting a breath of fire game as a kid/adult. I played it and was like wtf is this and got bummed out. But I couldn't go out and buy another game cuz I was poor. So I just played it and learned how to play it and then it turned into loving to play it. It wasn't an easy jrpg it was something else, something that grows on you if you go into it not expecting a basic jrpg. You will die but with every death you learn something. And I learned to love this game. It would be on my top ten ps2 games. This game, Shadow of the colossus and 8 others... lol.
For baroque, you can change the camera for a first person view in the option (like the original game). It makes the game a bit better in my opinon.
The x2 bit has me dead. Well done sir, we’ll done.
Kings feald is too calm and meloncholik for a speeeeeed junky to get.
Stillnes is the point.
Silence is the point.
Lounlenes is the point.
Blandnes is the point.
It is not here to entertain you with constant gratification and griping naratives.
But to leve you alone with youre inner demons lost in the dark and dead place.
Tbh I don't think Dragon Quarter should be on this list. OK it's stark removal from the other titles in the series, but it has it's charms...like Ryu actually talking (I really can't stand the silent protagonist trope in jrpgs).
Likewise I'm glad Baroque was on the list! I remember buying it years ago expecting good things, I was initially drawn in by the awesome intro music, but iirc I played it for an hour and couldn't get into it.
Glad I never wasted money on Ephemeral Phantasia, I was tempted to buy it!
Honestly, how the f did Kings Field get so many games? First rpg I ever played on playstation, same time as Beyond the Beyond, and it made that game feel so fun. Thank god Suikoden came out or I may have given up on rpgs. Every single Kings Field game is just garbage mechanics and dying with annoying music... Now I'm angry and ready to fight kids at Chucky cheese after watching this.
He went full AVGN in last one.
And I totally agree that people are overrating old FromSoftware games. In my opinion only decent game pre Demon Soul's was Armored Core series - not great, but good. Didn't play everything though.
Tenchu doesn't exist? Tenchu was their best franchise before Dark Souls, if you ask me.
@@bloody4558 Oh, yeah, right. This one looks good, didn't play it though. Thanks for info.
Kings field now sells for over $100 lol, I remember when it wasn’t worth $5.00
I think you're being overly critical of the King's Field series due to your bias against that company. Your videos are better when you aren't being toxic.
Dragon quart is one on my top favourite en ps2. many love it or hate it. Just for that reason i would not put as worse. I hate football games, but i dont consider it bad because i dont like.
Dark Souls overrated? Those are fighting words sir.
Just jokes, long time watcher and always funny to hear you shit on bad games xD
Dragon Quarter and Baroque are some of my favorite hidden gems on the console, and those two games being quite similar to each other probably informs my taste in aesthetics. Plus both games have amazing soundtracks. It's refreshing to see so many other people in the comments who love these games
I know you don't read comments but I strongly believe Saga Unlimited should've made the list
Dragon Quarter was a fun challenge, but I also say it alone killed Breath of Fire as a franchise with all the things folks list out as what made it a bad game. Maybe if they dropped a more traditional Breath of Fire around the same time we'd still see them and relegated it to a side game ...
That would kinda sting somewhere… I would enjoy a spiritual successor to Dragon Quarter…
There's no way Dragon Quarter is worse than Unlimited Saga. Unlimited Saga is definitely the worst imo.
Dragon quarter is one of my favorite rpgs en ps2. Unlimited saga yes is torture but has some fanbase too. I never understood how the game mecanics work, but they said that when you understand it, its not that bad
Unlimited Saga is actually great fun once the gameplay is figured out. Granted it needed a proper tutorial or instruction manual. Baldurs Gate, for instance, would have been the same, yet they had the foresight to include a tutorial and decent manuals.
Omg yes. I was so hyped for Unlimited Saga but when I saw what the gameplay was like I knew I wouldn't like it. Even though it wasn't released in the UK I got my SaGa fix with Romancing Saga.
@@XxBeatexX this is true
@@rhapthorne3023 for sure
Glad to see Dragon Quarter turning around lately, like in the comments here and recently in the JRPG subreddit too. It's a great game. Some people get triggered by the difficulty and unreasonably bash the game mechanics individually, when they actually work off of each other pretty well, also complementing the atmosphere.
I can see people liking it but you have to understand that most were expecting breath of fire like gameplay and got Rick rolled to be honest its not the worst game I played but I really disliked the you can only use the dragon change so much gimmick it felt like it should not have been in the game imo.
For the story they went for, it pretty much had to be that way. It is shown in the story bits that the D-Form was extremelly powerful as it was punishing to the user's life.
So many games simply ignore all the magic and supernatural moves used in battle, and don't use or even mention them in the world building or story, and Dragon Quarter gets my praise for doing so.
But yeah, for a gameplay-only perspective, I guess some people would get frustrated with the limit. If the game came out today, I'm sure the devs would have added more accessibility options, such as halve the meter usage, give more saving options, etc.
And of course, it doesn't need to become a permanent mechanic for the new entries (that will never come, anyway). I love BOFIII basically as much as DQ, and I appreciate both the D-Dive system and the Gene system III had.
@@fernandoneto5744 I'll be honest I always thought the ant mini game would of lead to a life power source but it never happened I do hope for a new game in the vein of 3 and 4 though
You can make baroque PS2/Wii first person from the settings menu. Imo, it makes the game play a lot better.
Tbf i enjoyed baroque a lot more than FFX-2. It's one of my favorites on WII and the one that made me like roquelikes.
This is why I don't trust reviews: bias will always ruin the "base" score of the reviewers. Saying breath of fire v is a bad game just isn't true. Most of its criticism is related to being called a breath of fire game, like that's supposed to automatically devalue it of all it's merits. This has to be bait lol
King's Field 4 has one of the best atmospheres and level design I've ever met in a game. Also, music is great (tracks like holy forest or tower level 3) made by the same guy who did iudex gundyr in ds3.
This game uses the first person tank controls of the era at it's best. You're free to say this controls are obsolete but don't misjudge the game itself. And don't let anger take over you.
I kinda liked ephemeral fantasia, but damn when I was a kid that whole timed event thing was brutal.
Not as brutal as Erick's review
Of the 5 games you chose, I've only played Dragon's Quarter. I didn't mind the story or game play, I was only disappointed in the lack of dragons. My personal choice of worst PS2 game would be "Unlimited Saga" what a waste of money.
Dude, totally agreed. The bad thing about that game for me was it came after the excellent SaGa Frontier 1 and 2 games, so the disappointment stung even more on my first playthrough. SO BAD.
Guessing Ephemeral Fantasia is on this list lol
I really like the common trend of an author hypocritically calling fans of something (in this case, Souls) toxic, then insulting them, and at the end reminding that the reason for their hostile comments is toxicity.
Was expecting to see The Bouncer on here, what a fever dream of a game. But I don't know if it truly qualifies as JRPG or is it the first bounce-type game.
well for one, 'bounce-type game' isnt a thing. bouncer was bad, but it wasnt a BAD game.. it was a first release for a powerful new system. it was testing out the new tech and just didnt perform very good.
A vague, long-forgotten memory of Ephemeral Fantasia popped into my head when I saw the cover art. I think I rented it or borrowed it from a friend, played for five minutes, and promptly returned it.
Baroque was a game that intrigued me with its story and setting, but was an absolute chore to actually play. Extremely disappointing.
It's the Angry RPG Nerd~
I like baroque but yeah now that we talk about it, the gameplay sure sucks
so the big question, in a top bad games, that means the lower on the ranking, better the game is? so is possible to enjoy dragon farter ?
anyway, i was watching at 1.5 speed and the kings field was slow.
I would have given BFVDQ a fare shake if it wasn't for the save tokens as they're hard to come by. Sometimes I just want play for a little bit and save but when you have to grind for hours to save a game in any RPG and may not get a token. It makes me not want to play it.
You sound like the little guy from resident evil 4. Good video dude!
Ephemeral Fantasia was a huge disappointment to me. I can't believe how boring and tedious the game was and it doesn't even have a voice acting!! :O As an unlucky owner...stay away from that game!!
Those few who likes this game, I respect your opinion. I may have liked this game as a child as well (mostly because of the character art) , but now my standards are higher. I'm glad someone could enjoy this.
Anyway great list and well edited video as always Erick! :D
Lol I love FF X-2
I'm gonna replay it on my vita for the 3rd time and this time with cheats
I love the different jobs
But it's all good
Thank god suikoden 4 wasn't here
I was so worried that it would be included
Suikoden 4 has its issues, but it's no where near as bad as anything on this list. Also, I think Erick kinda likes Suikoden 4.
Dragon Quaters and Kings Field IV are great, at least in my book. Like both a lot.
I cannot wait to finish my jrpg demo to get a review from you xD
Dragon Quarter is one of my all time favorites.. definitely challenging and not for everyone though
Worst Game ever for me
Dragon Quarter was soooo terrible when I played through it the first time, so weird and dark after the awesome predecessors, BUT... well after the first playtrough I did it again and stuff started to change, story depth was added, more areas opened up, I don`t know why, but it was soooo motivating to become better and better and reach a D-Ratio of 1/4, Ephemeral Phantasia was cool too, had some awesome music here and there and I remember it fondly for some reason :D
You might like legend of legaia for ps1 its a really hard game but I loved the story it's also a bit weird and dark but a great jrpg to me imo
Guess none of these had enough anime t&a for Ericks liking.
Ephemeral Fantasia better be here
Saw FFX-2 and was about to madly start raging on my keyboard...you win this one today Erick...but I got my EYE on you (all jokes aside love the content)
Tbh I wish this was longer XD
I have no interest at all for jrpgs but damn this is fun to watch.
Why is he so angry in this one?
I have no idea what the ps2 controls for baroque are, but I can almost guarantee they pale in comparison of how bad they are to the wii ones. Though I don't have a pro controller so that'd probably at least help a little.
"#1 is Final Fantasy X-2"
While I will state that the battle system is actually pretty good; you are correct in stating that just about everything else is hot garbage. I have never played a game where I actually prefer the sad ending over the true ending just because it makes more sense from a narrative standpoint than the true ending did.
LOL I just picked this up (Kings Field) at a thrift store and thought it was one of the worst ganes I've ever played in my life.
I actually like the PS1 King's Field games and Shadow Tower Abyss, King's Field IV... not so much. The game somehow became slower when it moved to better hardware.
Ephemeral phantasia xD i loved the guitar mini game thing. I still remember it too this day
But... Man, why is Arx Fatalis there at 2:39? O_o
I guess X-2 is your 6th spot !! ^^
I’d add tails of legendia. Some of the worst combat in the series and the world/dungeon design was so bad, nothing like what makes tails a good series
Oh, that comment would trigger him for sure, its his favorite 😂
i really WANTED to like your number one spot. i love bards and thought "hey this looks neat AND you can be a bard!!!" oh wow was i wrong
I like King’s Field (had no Soulsborne game so no this is not blind praise) but not how they numbered their games. The English dub didn’t get KF1 so they just dubbed the sequel and slapped a 1 on top. Really confusing since my first KF game happened to be the JP exclusive one.
I agree with the hate for people who like a game just because it was made by someone. But boy did you go full oonga boonga.
If he don't like king field serie, he surely don't like dark soul as it was his ancestor. and baroque? oh my...what does this guy had "rpg" in his name...
Damn; the fanservice aspects of the last game would have made me at least want to give it a shot, but all the gameplay and design flaws you pointed out make me want to skip it.
Excellent video!! Very funny script and good choices on the games (though I have a soft spot for Baroque, but it does kinda suck). I must say that you are 100% correct about King's Field. To me, it sucks and always has. Boring, slow motion garbage. I had King's Field on PS1 and it was one of the most worthless video game experiences I have ever had. No one liked it back in the day, but, as you noted, people these daysseem to like to front as though they find something exceptional in this game simply because Fromsoft made it back before they knew how to make actual games.
I thought I was looking at a scrapped up azure dreams from PS1 when looking at that eternal quest.
Well what do ya know, I’m not the only one who things From Soft is overrated.
Not bad mind you, just overrated.
Honestly I don't feel Dragon Quarter is that bad, but it Honestly should have been it's own thing that wasn't part of the main line breath of fire games. While the reason Ryu dies after using the Dragon form one too many time makes sense in context, Dragon fully taking him over and what not, could have easily worked as a demon for an original IP. On paper the idea is sound, but makes no sense as a BoF game where the draw is the main character becoming a Dragon is a positive thing. Suddenly it being a negative after 4 games was most likely jarring for most BoF fans.
Imho Drgon Quarter is a bad Breath of Fire game, but an interestin and great game on its own. The only thing which kinda sucks is that the % goes up, if you use the dragonform, which makes it almost useless. Though granted, its not a game for everybody.
You could EASILY pick another 5. Evergrace, for example. I never understood a single aspect of the story. Combat was boring, too. Innovation is fine, but in the service of an incoherent plot is just a waste. How it got a sequel, I'll never know.
This kind of videos make me want to play Dragon Quarter, I guess I'll put it in my backlog right now.
I've never disagreed with anything you've said until you called the Souls series overrated, that's just flat out untrue
played the translated versions of the original kings field games on ps1, they were so shite lol
Loved the salt at the number 1 game lol, had me rolling.
Final fantasy x2 takes the cake 🎂 for me it just ruined what should've been after ffx
I haven't thought of Ephemeral Fantasia in years, it's one of the first games my Step-dad rented for my brother and I back when we first got the Ps2. And I never really got far in it. As for BOF: Dragon Quarter...it was my first introduction into BOF and it was meh...Then again I picked it up without knowing about BOF and yeah...
i remmber tryign to play ephemeral and baroque and stopped after an hour of each, just so bad.
Miyazaki wasn’t at FromSoftware at the time of The Kings Field games.
Breath of Fire dragons quarter is such a let down for me just based on the roster alone. Going or all the interesting races and characters, which they were already kind of weeding out in the third and fourth game, and replaced with four equally Bland characters.
Honestly, it's not just the souls franchise that is overrated. It is from software in general.
Nothing to say about the third game.
There is only 1 dungeon game I played and enjoyed.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeons.
But at least I know which game to not get if I ever decided to get more like it.
Part two; bring it on! We all know the PS2 was the greatest console released, so any negativity towards it is taken with a grain of salt. Besides, it did so well that there had to be “hidden gems of mass illusion” (aka cr@p) along with some of the best games to have ever been created. They can’t all be gold. Or silver. Or place. Honestly, they shouldn’t have competed.
Y R P in position - Its Show Time Girls
Agree on Dragon Quarter but way off on King’s Field. I played it when it came out and was enthralled. It’s about exploration and atmosphere. Takes intelligence to understand
Remember to stock up on Spheres, because that's the only thing you get to eat in Eternal Quest... besides grass
You do get to smoke weed though.
I actually purchased a copy of the game so you can imagine my horror when I finally played it :/.
Ephemeral Fantasia can't be worse though, surely. Like at least that game appears to have tried to do something creative while Eternal Quest is just a lackluster, cookie cutter roguelike done badly.
I have liked king's field for decades. It's a great game but not for everyone. The fact that he trashes it and then jokes about not reading the comments made me lose all respect for him. I don't respect any UA-camr that has an opinion but refuses to hear anyone else's. I'm done with this garbage channel.
A Breath of Fire game where you can't go dragon form or you DIE?! What's the point then??
I played #1. Rented it from blockbuster and returned it at least 1 day earlier than I needed to. I couldn’t get into it.
Legaia 2 Legaia 2 Legaia 2 Legaia 2 Legaia 2 Legaia 2 Legaia 2 Legaia 2...oh my god Legaia 2
Man seeing all those rougelike games makes me want a new Azure dreams
holy shit i love your rage here
reminds me so much of avgn back in his younger days 😂😂
Breath of fire 5 dragon Quarter is pure trash because you cant free roam as each step you take gets you 1 step closer to game over and to make matters worse you cant even beat the game if your meter is too high beause you need at least 2 powerups to defeat the final boss.
I completely disagree about King's Field IV.
I find the Saturn version of Baroque to be far more interesting.
Kings field is hot garbage
LOOOOOOOOOOOL Loved this vid , make another top worst ps1 or other platform haha
I wouldn´t say BOFV is bad. I really really loved it honestly and growing up with RPGs and limited amount of games back in the days you played what you could play at the time :) Hope im not the only one who actually loved the game
I love FFX-2. The game has great combat, and I love swapping jobs mid fight.
Mexican AVGN there at the end
4:08 now that comment is just going a bit too far.
i was expecting unlimited saga as number one.
pedestrian taste
I remember really liking bof dragon quarter, it was a solid srpg roguelike. As far as srpgs go, it was ahead if its time. It certainly did botch some stuff, like - there's basically no point to ever using the dragon form - but I enjoyed playing it. And to be fair to the title, it was never sold as a Bof 5, it was sold as dragon quarter.
I mean the biggest problem with the game is that it was an srpg sold as a jrpg, its no wonder jrpg fans didnt like it
It's called BoFV in Japan, they dropped the number when releasing overseas like some games did at the time (SMT3, Arc the Lad 4, King's Field IV). Love the game tho
@@Tenpouin That's good to know :) I retract the part about being fair to it! Thanks for updating me.
So,..uh , guess Eric doesn’t like his number one pick huh?
Dragon Quarter is so unfairly maligned. It's just different, but if it's evaluated on its own terms it's really solid.
It's interesting, and innovative, but ultimately I have to side with those who feel it's ultimately unsuccessful, and its genuinely compelling story & characters would have been better served by gameplay more in line with the previous games in the franchise.
On the other hand, I do think it's better to go out on a compelling failure than to stagnate into obsolescence, so as much as I don't think dragon quarter works as a game, I can't dislike it.
Penalizing you for using dragon form is the dumbest mechanic in a game full of head scratching design decisions
The thing is, the penalty of game over is intended to be a natural and organic part of the game. It's not a game where you should feel bad for having failed but rather feel refreshed at how much easier it gets as you push through
I have to agree that penalizing you for using dragon form was the worst decision on the game, i don't mind all the rest that much besides that...
Dragon Quarter is definitely a game that shouldn't have been called a Breath of Fire game. It's so incredibly divorced from anything in the series that if the game wasn't called Breath of Fire and the 2 main characters named Ryu and Nina you'd never know it was ever supposed to be. I think it would've been much better received had it not been treated an entry in the BoF series.