- Allow drivers to get towed back if their tires are down and the engine is still running - Extend the crash clock to at least 10 minutes - If a car is damaged and has to go to the garage they are done, and also if they get out of the car. Only exceptions could be if fires break out on pit road (Buescher at Indy a couple years back) - No dumbass disqualifications if there’s too many men over the wall or something like that. Just give the team a penalty of a lap or so. That’s all I can think of for now. May add some more stuff later if I can think of any or if anyone else can
as someone who started watching nascar in 2001, I miss seeing cars look like modifides. I still remember Gordon and Harvick racing for 37th. I was glad you showed those clips.
@@HattieJosh never gonna see it again, I'm afraid. I hope DVP and playoff eligibility is why 23XI and FRM are sueing nascar. Hopefully the other 13 teams didn't make this pointless. Knowing our court system it probably did.
@@willgriffin5647 There's a good chance that other teams will try to join in on the lawsuit. Nobody has been happy with the deal they got and most teams have already talked about feeling forced to sign the deal, which on its own is a major issue.
I think something like that should only be for certain tracks. I car missin a ton of bodywork is fine as a small, lower speed track where aero doesn't matter much, but it would be dangerous on a bigger, higher speed track. Especially with how much this new car flips, you don't want a car without hood flaps and with bodywork hanging off the sides running around at 180mph
There is one important fact we are not talking about Iceberg. The DVP was created because of the steel bodies the cup cars used to run. It made sense to have a DVP when the bodies were steel. Now with the composite bodies, and the rigidity of the cars, it doesn't make sense. I agree with most....get rid of it. If we keep it, I agree with you, make it a stick and ball call. DVP should have disqualified the winning car yesterday as well. How the hell did the winning car pass post race inspection with the hole in the side of the car??
I'm waiting for the day when the Championship 4 all wreck out in the same wreck and the whole season will come down to who's pitbox is the farthest. Seriously, let's go back to 2003 and call it good.
You would have what blaney did yesterday. Driving a clunker around the track dragging crap and leaking oil everywhere. And the teams will not stop until the motor blows. A championship is on the line 😅😅
The DVP and the rules need to be change because Talladega yesterday NASCAR are in hot water right now of being so INCONSISTENT on many of their own rules. This year alone is eye opening levels of bad and they need to change next year.
It's a simple fix. Go back to allowing teams to fix the cars. And if you're so set on making sure there's no debris cautions, make a rule saying that if debris falls off of a car that's been repaired, they can be parked.
If NASCAR would just be consistent with their own policies, DVP wouldn't be an issue. If every driver and every race would be treated the same with regard to policy, this wouldn't be an issue. The problem is NASCAR is totally inconsistent in enforcing their own rules. When you don't follow your own rules, you get chaos.
Yeah there’s a lot of controversy, but you cant deny this season is absolutely boppin’ when it comes to good races. Still though, the DVP should be deleted from the fabric of reality.
Not to mention, Austin Hill was feeling sick inside of his car at Daytona in August an Xfinity race because he was having trouble breathing because of the violent vibrating. That could’ve been because of the DVP
It was playing favorites, was listening to KB's radio Randall and Derek were mocking NASCAR for making shit up as they went. Josh Berry was told he's done, but Chase Elliot got towed to pit road to fix his car with others wtf?!?! Just get rid of it. Tht's the smart thing, so tht means NASCAR won't do it.
Between the stages and the DVP, Nascar has sucked any sense of endurance race out of the racing. and when they swapped to the single lug design, the lack of a liner was a known issue. We know these modern cars are tough to a fault, I just wish nascar would give them the tools to show it
To be honest I don’t really like stages, the DVP, or how the rules of the playoffs are right now. I would rather go back to how races were in the 2000’s
The DVP is a DIRECT result of Kenseth taking out Logano at Martinsville. I'll stand on that one. NASCAR had been considering a change like this, but that wreck sealed the deal. They couldn't implement it fast enough for the 2016 Season so we got the first iteration of it in 2017.
Yes! Who cares about the safety of other drivers, huh!? Let a wrecked car come to the garage and attempt to be fixed so it can come back out at 150mph along the rest of the 200mph+ pack! That'll work!
@@Denielle-V literally minimum speed existed before the 5 minute clock. Just go back to that. If the car is clearly a danger then park them but teams should more or less decide if they are done or not.
The rule needs to stay but let the teams decide if they can fix it or not within that time limit not NASCAR. Or would you rather have more of a chance of debris caution if the cars are back out and not patched up. Yes the rule it's not perfect but again let the teams decide not NASCAR if they can continue.
now this is a quite unconventional comparison to make in a NASCAR context, but if Larry Perkins had the incident that took out a tyre in the 1995 Toohey's 1000 with the Next Gen cup car, he probably would have had to retire from the race instead of going from quite literally last to first, both due to the shitty tyres and it likely taking out a tie rod too
I'll say keep the DVP but with changes Once the car stops in their pits then the clock starts however for those who get towed to the garage once the car is dropped off then the clock starts Also all tracks should get either the same amount of time or a set time based on the track size itself
Heres an idea for another video. Have a top 10 list of the tracks that had the most cars wrecked out to date. As in bristol wrecked 250 cars+ talladega would be 300+ idno if thats something you want to dig into but could be a kool video to watch
Every Talladega race is the same under this package; run two-three wide until the last few laps. Then someone moves out of line and half the field gets wrecked.
Daytona too basically. At this point the most exiting “super speedway” races for me personally were the ones at Atlanta. At least the passing there was more entertaining to watch.
Quite simply, just get rid of it. I understand the reasoning behind why the DVP was implemented… but it’s clear it had caused more harm than good. Plus, drivers deserve to make up points, even if it isn’t much.
I think maybe they should do away with the clock, but mandate all repairs be done in the pits (relatively minor ish suspension and body damage things) and give the teams one chance to make minimum speed within 3 laps. If they can’t make speed after unlimited time to make the pit road repairs, then park it.
Why follow the rule book if nobody uses it. Let the teams decide weather the car is can continue to race after all it's not the teams fault that Nascar built a poorly designed car.
Get rid of the clock and the safety crews pulling window nets. If the driver elects to get out of the car, or if there is a fire/clear irreparable damage, he's done; but if it can be fixed and make minimum speed in say, 3 laps on track, they can continue in the race. That way we get the guys trying to scare up points, and we don't lose a contender due to a judgement call.
I'm a big Jeff Gordon fan. Whenever Jeff got into a wreck or had a crash, even if there was heavy damage and if there was enough time left in the race, his crew would repair it as much as they could; and even being well out of contention for the win, he would try to get as much positions as possible and I was always glad to see him come back on track. With this damage vehicle policy, fans are kept from watching their favorite drivers finish the race with a car that still could finish the race, simply because they didn't repair the car in a few minutes. Let our drivers finish the race. Get rid of the dvp!
Honestly, the change that would work is to remove the dvp clock entirely, it made a little bit of sense back in the gen 6 era, but with the way the next gens are built now, not anymore, just like the overtime line and the caution clock, it's a gimmick that at first made sense but is now dumb (well except for the caution clock but i digress)
THEY HAVE to change some things on car. It needs to be raised, go back to lugs, 15" rims WITH inner liners, and take off the stupid pan. They designed basically a TRANS AM series car.This is NOT TRANSAM,....these need to be stock cars, OEMs car suck it. It WOULD survive with waaay less OEM say(demands). Like you said, tow to stall or garage, fix,...make minimum speed or out. As usual,...NASCAR HAS to control everything. Drivers get nailed for manipulating ,..but NASCAR does it every race.
Simple solution... just don't tow/push vehicles outside of flat tires back. If they can't get back to the pits or drive at FULL speed (keep lap times at 102.5% slowest green flag lap), then they're retired by pulling them behind the wall and leaving it there. For example, at Talladega, you tow them behind the inside wall, regardless. Shortest point to a retirement, not back to the garage.
My suggestion is this: If u can start the engine and demonstrate drive to the rear tires, then the car should b towed to pit road and let the race teams decide if a car is able to b fixed on pit road within the allotted time. I saw nothing particularly wrong other NASCAR not getting everyone towed before withdrawing the red flag.
Get rid of the DVP, and tell the teams that for their car to be deemed safe, 3 of the 4 fenders must be intact, and tape may not allowed to hold parts and pieces together unless a bumper is required for the track which is already a gray area. Allows wrecked cars to have a chance to still compete, while also making sure safe cars can still compete
if we keep the DVP, my idea would be, 15 to 20 mins on pit road to make repairs without new parts or 1 hour in garage and allow to replace parts again and if you don't get the car back to race track in good enough shape to finish racing and meet the minimum speed, you are officially parked for the remainer of the race and you're retired from that race.
Just dump the whole DVP, clock and all! If a team can repair their car well enough to meet minimum speed then let them continue! Having NASCAR officials determine which cars are repairable and which ones aren’t from the tower is BS! Also I’ve heard people saying it would have been better if NASCAR had let the team and media know about the changes to the tow policy before the race. I’m totally convinced those changes were made in the moment. It’s clear by Brisco’s communication with his crew chief while he sat in the mud that not even the track safety crew had been notified of any change.
Put all the cars on pit road before the red is lifted instead of making them lose two laps or more for no reason seems like the logical place to start considering it’s NASCAR’s fault that something as simple as flat tires prevent many drivable cars from getting back to the pits in a timely manner
My idea for the DVP if NASCAR isn't willing to get rid of it entirely: Teams get 5 minutes from the moment they enter their pit box to fix any damage and get back on track. If they either fail to get the car repaired in time or don't meet minimum speed, they get a limited number of laps where they can attempt to fix the car in the garage (something like 5-10 laps or a specific number of laps depending on track length). If they can't fix it in the garage at that point or again don't meet minimum speed, they're done. Overall the best option would still just be getting rid of the DVP. It's been a disaster of a rule ever since its inception and has ruined countless teams races who may have been able to still contend for a win.
Why does the DVP need a timer? Doesn’t that clock pressure teams to fix their cars faster, and we all know faster doesn’t mean safer. I’d say give them all the time they need to ensure the car isn’t gonna have things fall off it so they can send out the safest car possible. And if something does fly off their car, park them for the rest of the race.
New DVP policy: 10 minute clock, crew chief's choice, pit or garage. One or the other. Clock starts when the car is unhooked from the wrecker. One shot to make minimum speed. Simple.
Having NASCAR decide whether a vehicle is able to continue is asinine in my opinion. They need to get rid of the damaged vehicle policy because it gets confusing. My deal would be, that the team has one shot to get the car out there. If it doesn't meet the speed or it is damaged beyond repair, then you're done. If the car just needs new tires, then it will run. This next-gen is a step backwards in car design, especially when you get four flat tires and you can't drive it. The car is like a Horseshoe crab, it is durable on top but has a fragile underside.
why is the time limit so short? make it a lap-based rule. If you go down more than 20 laps, you're out. It's also ridiculous that the car literally cant drive with a flat tire
I mean definitely get rid of the DVP, it doesn’t need to be there and it’s a useless rule that I think only NASCAR has if I’m not mistaken. But other than that I’m not sure, the Next Gen obviously needs a massive overhaul. It’s clear that the car was not ready for 2022. And most of it I think was more so cause of how much people disliked the Gen 6 and how it raced at 75-80% of the tracks on the schedule. Probably the charter system being up soon at the time and NASCAR and teams wanting to focus one thing at a time, not sure. But it’s really one of those things where NASCAR needs to put their ego and pride down for 2 seconds and say “ok we admit, there r problems with the car and we’re gonna take the time to sort em out.” Otherwise we’re just stuck with this thing for another idk 7-8 years? Hell even if we just gotta put up with it for a min and have a refresh Next Gen all ready to go for the start of a new season. But we also got a lawsuit going against NASCAR since unlike other motorsports they’d rather run their series like a dictatorship than how other motorsports run their series in more of a democracy than anything, so that’s not gonna help. NASCAR just needs to realize their old ways of running the sport have no place in the modern day.
Larson was told not to push Brad Keselowski to the win because he drives a Ford and they had two Chevy's to their outside. That's cheating. Race manipulation
Get rid of it. Allows the cars to be towed back to the pits for tires only and the garage for repairs. The cars would be repaired better and be safer for everyone on track. I like they get 1 shot to make minimum speed. I also think the race should have been red flagged longer to have more laps then a GWC finish.
Just get rid of the damn rule. Part of the intriguing the 2008 championship fight between Carl and Jimmie was the fact that at Texas, Jimmie got involved in an early wreck, but he was able to go to the garage repair his car right around and make laps and score enough points to minimize the damage and stay just far enough of head of Edwards to win the championship at Homestead. If you had the current policy in effect at that time, game over. Jimmie loses the championship fight that year, and doesn’t go onto to win five straight, or seven in total.
And in a strange way, Jimmie found himself in a similar situation at Texas in November 2009 when battling Mark Martin for the championship. It's been rumored that if Jimmie hadn't gotten back in that Texas race, Mark Martin would've been the 2009 champion
The FIA has a meatball flag, black with a big orange circle in the middle. The flag is used to indicate a mechanically unsafe vehicle, such as a loose piece of bodywork. When displayed, a driver must immediately pit the car to make mechanical repairs. Add this flag to NASCAR. Done and dusted.
As an open wheel racing fan (Indycar & F1) in addition to NASCAR, NASCAR needs to adopt a zero tolerance policy when it comes damaged cars out on track meaning if a car has the slightest hint of damage, it is out of the race simple as that. This is the main reason why you don't see damaged cars out on track in both Indycar & F1 because they know it is absolutely unsafe to have damaged cars out there. NASCAR is the only major racing series that I know of outside of the World Rally Championship that has a DVP. However the DVP in the WRC is significantly better written & more clear than NASCAR's because it states that if a car has damage, the team has as much time as they need to fix it (should they choose to) & they need to do it where it took place as in pulling over on the side of the road to do repairs. There used to be a time penalty associated with the DVP but the WRC got rid of it once they saw that teams were completing stages with damaged cars to avoid the time penalty.
@@HattieJoshif NASCAR used his idea, then the entire field would get a DNF. Cause incidental damage such as small dents and small scuffs happen in racing.
Just go back to the old rules. Anything that you can fix that isn't an internal engine issue, let them fix it. I don't see what the problem is. All of this money is being spent to fix the car back at the shop anyways, so it's not saving them money, not that NASCAR really cares about that anyways.
The F̶i̶r̶e̶c̶r̶a̶c̶k̶e̶r̶ P̶e̶p̶s̶i̶ Coke Zero Sugar 400 finish wasnt controversial. It was just a lot of people throwing a tantrum because they didnt like the winner and and knew he'd just waste a playoff spot. Its a symptom of a larger problem. If we had a system of just simple cumulative points for the whole season, no one would have cared about that.
Just do away with it. It was never a legitimate issue, it's just an excuse that was a knee jerk reaction from kenseth taking out Logano. I remember that being mentioned multiple times afterwards
How's this.... Any visible damage even wall stripes or tire marks, you're done. Can't continue under your own power for ANY reason, you're done. Spin for any reason you're out. Cause a caution for any reason....park yourself. Pit stop takes longer than 10 seconds- your car is clearly too damaged to continue. Need those rental-car tire shredders at out side of each pit box. Those shredders come up at 10 seconds.
It needs to be aboilshed. It does more to harm than to help the teams and competition. Also for those defending it over concerns of safety. Name me one time anybody ever got severly hurt driving a beat up racecar after an accident. It's never happened.
I've been saying it for years now... The DVP needs to be abolished. Let the teams work on their damaged race cars in the garage if they are that damaged and let them come back on track like they used to.
What changes (if any) would you want to the DVP?
abolish it problem solved
- Allow drivers to get towed back if their tires are down and the engine is still running
- Extend the crash clock to at least 10 minutes
- If a car is damaged and has to go to the garage they are done, and also if they get out of the car. Only exceptions could be if fires break out on pit road (Buescher at Indy a couple years back)
- No dumbass disqualifications if there’s too many men over the wall or something like that. Just give the team a penalty of a lap or so.
That’s all I can think of for now. May add some more stuff later if I can think of any or if anyone else can
Fire Elton Sawyer!
Abolish it completely
remove it
as someone who started watching nascar in 2001, I miss seeing cars look like modifides. I still remember Gordon and Harvick racing for 37th. I was glad you showed those clips.
Gordon and Harvick being able to race for 37th while being 57 laps down was wild then lol
@@HattieJosh never gonna see it again, I'm afraid. I hope DVP and playoff eligibility is why 23XI and FRM are sueing nascar. Hopefully the other 13 teams didn't make this pointless. Knowing our court system it probably did.
@@willgriffin5647Michael Jordan hired the best antitrust lawyer in America, NASCAR is so gonna lose this!
@@willgriffin5647 There's a good chance that other teams will try to join in on the lawsuit. Nobody has been happy with the deal they got and most teams have already talked about feeling forced to sign the deal, which on its own is a major issue.
I think something like that should only be for certain tracks. I car missin a ton of bodywork is fine as a small, lower speed track where aero doesn't matter much, but it would be dangerous on a bigger, higher speed track. Especially with how much this new car flips, you don't want a car without hood flaps and with bodywork hanging off the sides running around at 180mph
Just like UrinatingTree said in his NASCAR video: *ABANDON THE GIMMICKS*
Or just watch f1
Tree for President…of Sportsball!
Or be a F1, Indycar or any other motorsports fan than NASCAR... Lol
Two or four wheels, as long as all come home...
There is one important fact we are not talking about Iceberg. The DVP was created because of the steel bodies the cup cars used to run. It made sense to have a DVP when the bodies were steel. Now with the composite bodies, and the rigidity of the cars, it doesn't make sense. I agree with most....get rid of it. If we keep it, I agree with you, make it a stick and ball call. DVP should have disqualified the winning car yesterday as well. How the hell did the winning car pass post race inspection with the hole in the side of the car??
Abolishing The DVP System Altogether
I'm waiting for the day when the Championship 4 all wreck out in the same wreck and the whole season will come down to who's pitbox is the farthest. Seriously, let's go back to 2003 and call it good.
This would be the funniest thing ever
You would have what blaney did yesterday. Driving a clunker around the track dragging crap and leaking oil everywhere. And the teams will not stop until the motor blows. A championship is on the line 😅😅
The DVP and the rules need to be change because Talladega yesterday NASCAR are in hot water right now of being so INCONSISTENT on many of their own rules. This year alone is eye opening levels of bad and they need to change next year.
If they were just more straight forward in their ruling I don’t think this would be so controversial
Yeah this year NASCAR has looked as bad as ARCA!
It's a simple fix. Go back to allowing teams to fix the cars. And if you're so set on making sure there's no debris cautions, make a rule saying that if debris falls off of a car that's been repaired, they can be parked.
Blaneys car wasnt totaled when he got screwed by the DVP, it just had a broken steering shaft
If NASCAR would just be consistent with their own policies, DVP wouldn't be an issue. If every driver and every race would be treated the same with regard to policy, this wouldn't be an issue. The problem is NASCAR is totally inconsistent in enforcing their own rules. When you don't follow your own rules, you get chaos.
Exactly.
But how is nascar supposed to create "organic excitement" if they enforce their own rules consistently?
@@jingles123456789ify What do you mean?
Only reason nascar ignored the rule was for one popular playoff driver named Chase…..
Briscoe of course
Chase Eliot as well who is one of the more popular drivers too.
NASCAR decided to let Briscoe into his stall because they got tired of arguing with him over it
Elliott as well
The word of the year: Controversy.
Yeah there’s a lot of controversy, but you cant deny this season is absolutely boppin’ when it comes to good races. Still though, the DVP should be deleted from the fabric of reality.
Has anyone heard of this method?
Get rid of it
but nascar is "hemorraging money" (not even close to the truth, they hate us)
23/11 could use alot of this BS in their case about NASCAR "controlling everything unfairly.
Not to mention, Austin Hill was feeling sick inside of his car at Daytona in August an Xfinity race because he was having trouble breathing because of the violent vibrating. That could’ve been because of the DVP
Well he cleared the DVP that’s why he returned to the race
0:27 Clean Transition
It was playing favorites, was listening to KB's radio Randall and Derek were mocking NASCAR for making shit up as they went. Josh Berry was told he's done, but Chase Elliot got towed to pit road to fix his car with others wtf?!?! Just get rid of it. Tht's the smart thing, so tht means NASCAR won't do it.
Between the stages and the DVP, Nascar has sucked any sense of endurance race out of the racing. and when they swapped to the single lug design, the lack of a liner was a known issue.
We know these modern cars are tough to a fault, I just wish nascar would give them the tools to show it
To be honest I don’t really like stages, the DVP, or how the rules of the playoffs are right now. I would rather go back to how races were in the 2000’s
Just remove it
They used to have the minimum speed rule…just raise the minimum speed and do away with the DVP.
DVP is one of the dumbest things NASCAR has conjured up in a long time
I get a car missing half a body but not just needing tires
The DVP is a DIRECT result of Kenseth taking out Logano at Martinsville. I'll stand on that one. NASCAR had been considering a change like this, but that wreck sealed the deal. They couldn't implement it fast enough for the 2016 Season so we got the first iteration of it in 2017.
Unless you got a tow truck standby for all 43 cars, remove it.
There has not been 43 cars in a NASCAR race since 2015 because the max number of cars in a race is now 40
@@DuddleBug5 Then for all 40 drivers.
NASCAR lowed the max field to 40 cars to curb start and park efforts
The DVP? Broken?
Say it ain't so!
Seriously, NASCAR just needs to dump it. It's the worst decision they've ever made, and that says a LOT.
Eh, I still think The Playoffs/Chase still beats it, and not to mention, the thing that set the DVP in place from the get-go: Boys Have At It.
@@nascarfanatic2425 Didn't they drop the "boys have at it" attitude?
@@Dat-Mudkip Technically, no, they didn't; they just put in so many counters to this that they try to act like it's not a thing.
Remove the DVP, get rid of the nextgen and use Xfinity cars that don’t have this flat tire problem and better racing
Simple. Remove this completely useless rule.
Yes! Who cares about the safety of other drivers, huh!? Let a wrecked car come to the garage and attempt to be fixed so it can come back out at 150mph along the rest of the 200mph+ pack! That'll work!
@@Denielle-Vsome people don’t remember all the debris cautions we use to have……. And all the complaints that went with it.
@@Denielle-V literally minimum speed existed before the 5 minute clock. Just go back to that. If the car is clearly a danger then park them but teams should more or less decide if they are done or not.
The rule needs to stay but let the teams decide if they can fix it or not within that time limit not NASCAR. Or would you rather have more of a chance of debris caution if the cars are back out and not patched up. Yes the rule it's not perfect but again let the teams decide not NASCAR if they can continue.
Back to old NASCAR Race
now this is a quite unconventional comparison to make in a NASCAR context, but if Larry Perkins had the incident that took out a tyre in the 1995 Toohey's 1000 with the Next Gen cup car, he probably would have had to retire from the race instead of going from quite literally last to first, both due to the shitty tyres and it likely taking out a tie rod too
Like many motorsports in the world. There is off-season and changes.
I'll say keep the DVP but with changes
Once the car stops in their pits then the clock starts however for those who get towed to the garage once the car is dropped off then the clock starts
Also all tracks should get either the same amount of time or a set time based on the track size itself
I agree with you
Simple solution: Get rid of the DVP. Simple and gets rid of any confusion.
I think they should just get rid of the DVP clock
1 Simple solution... Abolish it!!!
You could abolish the DVP policy altogether.
Heres an idea for another video. Have a top 10 list of the tracks that had the most cars wrecked out to date. As in bristol wrecked 250 cars+ talladega would be 300+ idno if thats something you want to dig into but could be a kool video to watch
I totally understand making the DVP a thing for safety reasons, but I think it’s a bit too strict
It was completely unnecessary, though. The minimum speed rule did this job.
Simple solution: Get rid of the rule entirely altogether
Every Talladega race is the same under this package; run two-three wide until the last few laps. Then someone moves out of line and half the field gets wrecked.
Daytona too basically. At this point the most exiting “super speedway” races for me personally were the ones at Atlanta. At least the passing there was more entertaining to watch.
Yes,even Penske drivers and Chase Elliott were involved.
Get rid of it that’s how
Quite simply, just get rid of it. I understand the reasoning behind why the DVP was implemented… but it’s clear it had caused more harm than good. Plus, drivers deserve to make up points, even if it isn’t much.
I think maybe they should do away with the clock, but mandate all repairs be done in the pits (relatively minor ish suspension and body damage things) and give the teams one chance to make minimum speed within 3 laps. If they can’t make speed after unlimited time to make the pit road repairs, then park it.
It doesn’t need to be fixed, it needs to be abolished.
Broken like a toe link…..
Why follow the rule book if nobody uses it. Let the teams decide weather the car is can continue to race after all it's not the teams fault that Nascar built a poorly designed car.
REMOVE IT! Minimum speed rule exist for a reason
Get rid of the clock and the safety crews pulling window nets. If the driver elects to get out of the car, or if there is a fire/clear irreparable damage, he's done; but if it can be fixed and make minimum speed in say, 3 laps on track, they can continue in the race. That way we get the guys trying to scare up points, and we don't lose a contender due to a judgement call.
8:40 It’s a good point! Definitely on board with most of the rest of the comments: abandon the DVP entirely.
I’ve never seen that Jeff Gordon paint scheme, especially when half of the car was gone!
I'm a big Jeff Gordon fan. Whenever Jeff got into a wreck or had a crash, even if there was heavy damage and if there was enough time left in the race, his crew would repair it as much as they could; and even being well out of contention for the win, he would try to get as much positions as possible and I was always glad to see him come back on track. With this damage vehicle policy, fans are kept from watching their favorite drivers finish the race with a car that still could finish the race, simply because they didn't repair the car in a few minutes. Let our drivers finish the race. Get rid of the dvp!
Why not a sort of run flat solid inner like on road cars...they can't do inner liners but why not a run flat solid inner tire?
Allow the teams to decide, not some official.
Have a amr saftey team pit crew to change tires
Honestly, the change that would work is to remove the dvp clock entirely, it made a little bit of sense back in the gen 6 era, but with the way the next gens are built now, not anymore, just like the overtime line and the caution clock, it's a gimmick that at first made sense but is now dumb (well except for the caution clock but i digress)
Go back to the 15" 5 lugnut tire. Lefty proved the cars look absolutely gorgeous with them. That way you can have the inner liners back.
THEY HAVE to change some things on car. It needs to be raised, go back to lugs, 15" rims WITH inner liners, and take off the stupid pan. They designed basically a TRANS AM series car.This is NOT TRANSAM,....these need to be stock cars, OEMs car suck it. It WOULD survive with waaay less OEM say(demands). Like you said, tow to stall or garage, fix,...make minimum speed or out. As usual,...NASCAR HAS to control everything. Drivers get nailed for manipulating ,..but NASCAR does it every race.
Simple solution... just don't tow/push vehicles outside of flat tires back. If they can't get back to the pits or drive at FULL speed (keep lap times at 102.5% slowest green flag lap), then they're retired by pulling them behind the wall and leaving it there.
For example, at Talladega, you tow them behind the inside wall, regardless. Shortest point to a retirement, not back to the garage.
My suggestion is this:
If u can start the engine and demonstrate drive to the rear tires, then the car should b towed to pit road and let the race teams decide if a car is able to b fixed on pit road within the allotted time.
I saw nothing particularly wrong other NASCAR not getting everyone towed before withdrawing the red flag.
So many playoff drivers were taken out. Sucks that my favorite tracks are just events where the best cars that day wreck out at the end.
The DVP was broken as soon as it was first announced
Get rid of the DVP, and tell the teams that for their car to be deemed safe, 3 of the 4 fenders must be intact, and tape may not allowed to hold parts and pieces together unless a bumper is required for the track which is already a gray area. Allows wrecked cars to have a chance to still compete, while also making sure safe cars can still compete
if we keep the DVP, my idea would be, 15 to 20 mins on pit road to make repairs without new parts or 1 hour in garage and allow to replace parts again and if you don't get the car back to race track in good enough shape to finish racing and meet the minimum speed, you are officially parked for the remainer of the race and you're retired from that race.
Just abolish the DVP rule altogether
Just dump the whole DVP, clock and all! If a team can repair their car well enough to meet minimum speed then let them continue! Having NASCAR officials determine which cars are repairable and which ones aren’t from the tower is BS! Also I’ve heard people saying it would have been better if NASCAR had let the team and media know about the changes to the tow policy before the race. I’m totally convinced those changes were made in the moment. It’s clear by Brisco’s communication with his crew chief while he sat in the mud that not even the track safety crew had been notified of any change.
Put all the cars on pit road before the red is lifted instead of making them lose two laps or more for no reason seems like the logical place to start considering it’s NASCAR’s fault that something as simple as flat tires prevent many drivable cars from getting back to the pits in a timely manner
My idea for the DVP if NASCAR isn't willing to get rid of it entirely: Teams get 5 minutes from the moment they enter their pit box to fix any damage and get back on track. If they either fail to get the car repaired in time or don't meet minimum speed, they get a limited number of laps where they can attempt to fix the car in the garage (something like 5-10 laps or a specific number of laps depending on track length). If they can't fix it in the garage at that point or again don't meet minimum speed, they're done. Overall the best option would still just be getting rid of the DVP. It's been a disaster of a rule ever since its inception and has ruined countless teams races who may have been able to still contend for a win.
Scrap it. Just don't allow them to put on body work except for essential pieces like rear bumpers at high speed tracks
Y’all seem to forget the phantom cautions due to Jacque Debris.
I swear almost everything goes back to 2015 Martinsville lol
Why does the DVP need a timer? Doesn’t that clock pressure teams to fix their cars faster, and we all know faster doesn’t mean safer. I’d say give them all the time they need to ensure the car isn’t gonna have things fall off it so they can send out the safest car possible. And if something does fly off their car, park them for the rest of the race.
New DVP policy: 10 minute clock, crew chief's choice, pit or garage. One or the other. Clock starts when the car is unhooked from the wrecker. One shot to make minimum speed. Simple.
I don't know
Having NASCAR decide whether a vehicle is able to continue is asinine in my opinion. They need to get rid of the damaged vehicle policy because it gets confusing. My deal would be, that the team has one shot to get the car out there. If it doesn't meet the speed or it is damaged beyond repair, then you're done. If the car just needs new tires, then it will run. This next-gen is a step backwards in car design, especially when you get four flat tires and you can't drive it. The car is like a Horseshoe crab, it is durable on top but has a fragile underside.
why is the time limit so short? make it a lap-based rule. If you go down more than 20 laps, you're out. It's also ridiculous that the car literally cant drive with a flat tire
run inner liners. problem was solved years ago
I mean definitely get rid of the DVP, it doesn’t need to be there and it’s a useless rule that I think only NASCAR has if I’m not mistaken. But other than that I’m not sure, the Next Gen obviously needs a massive overhaul. It’s clear that the car was not ready for 2022. And most of it I think was more so cause of how much people disliked the Gen 6 and how it raced at 75-80% of the tracks on the schedule. Probably the charter system being up soon at the time and NASCAR and teams wanting to focus one thing at a time, not sure. But it’s really one of those things where NASCAR needs to put their ego and pride down for 2 seconds and say “ok we admit, there r problems with the car and we’re gonna take the time to sort em out.” Otherwise we’re just stuck with this thing for another idk 7-8 years? Hell even if we just gotta put up with it for a min and have a refresh Next Gen all ready to go for the start of a new season. But we also got a lawsuit going against NASCAR since unlike other motorsports they’d rather run their series like a dictatorship than how other motorsports run their series in more of a democracy than anything, so that’s not gonna help. NASCAR just needs to realize their old ways of running the sport have no place in the modern day.
when people say NASCAR is rigged, this BS is what fuels that
Larson was told not to push Brad Keselowski to the win because he drives a Ford and they had two Chevy's to their outside. That's cheating. Race manipulation
Get rid of it. Allows the cars to be towed back to the pits for tires only and the garage for repairs. The cars would be repaired better and be safer for everyone on track. I like they get 1 shot to make minimum speed. I also think the race should have been red flagged longer to have more laps then a GWC finish.
Get.
Rid.
Of.
It.
Yesterday.
Just get rid of the damn rule. Part of the intriguing the 2008 championship fight between Carl and Jimmie was the fact that at Texas, Jimmie got involved in an early wreck, but he was able to go to the garage repair his car right around and make laps and score enough points to minimize the damage and stay just far enough of head of Edwards to win the championship at Homestead. If you had the current policy in effect at that time, game over. Jimmie loses the championship fight that year, and doesn’t go onto to win five straight, or seven in total.
And in a strange way, Jimmie found himself in a similar situation at Texas in November 2009 when battling Mark Martin for the championship. It's been rumored that if Jimmie hadn't gotten back in that Texas race, Mark Martin would've been the 2009 champion
Get rid of the DVP entirely and let's get inner liners in the tires. That's it!!
The FIA has a meatball flag, black with a big orange circle in the middle. The flag is used to indicate a mechanically unsafe vehicle, such as a loose piece of bodywork. When displayed, a driver must immediately pit the car to make mechanical repairs. Add this flag to NASCAR. Done and dusted.
One word, Gone.
How does it reduce costs? A wrecked car is a wrecked car
The teams should decide when they’re out. Period. End of story. The DVP needs to go altogether. It’s a stupid policy that’s only caused more problems.
Remove the rule. There’s no point to it anymore. Matt Kenseth has been retired for 6 years now.
Change the tire back!
Get rid of the DVP, Stage racing, and Playoffs!!!!!
As an open wheel racing fan (Indycar & F1) in addition to NASCAR, NASCAR needs to adopt a zero tolerance policy when it comes damaged cars out on track meaning if a car has the slightest hint of damage, it is out of the race simple as that. This is the main reason why you don't see damaged cars out on track in both Indycar & F1 because they know it is absolutely unsafe to have damaged cars out there. NASCAR is the only major racing series that I know of outside of the World Rally Championship that has a DVP. However the DVP in the WRC is significantly better written & more clear than NASCAR's because it states that if a car has damage, the team has as much time as they need to fix it (should they choose to) & they need to do it where it took place as in pulling over on the side of the road to do repairs. There used to be a time penalty associated with the DVP but the WRC got rid of it once they saw that teams were completing stages with damaged cars to avoid the time penalty.
No offense, but this idea is dumb
Then nobody would be finishing races from all the incidental contact. That does some damage but more like small dents and small scuffs.
@@HattieJoshif NASCAR used his idea, then the entire field would get a DNF. Cause incidental damage such as small dents and small scuffs happen in racing.
Just go back to the old rules. Anything that you can fix that isn't an internal engine issue, let them fix it. I don't see what the problem is. All of this money is being spent to fix the car back at the shop anyways, so it's not saving them money, not that NASCAR really cares about that anyways.
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32 cars are on that rule 4 cars get special treatment 5,9,24,48
Just do away with it. It was never a legitimate issue, it's just an excuse that was a knee jerk reaction from kenseth taking out Logano. I remember that being mentioned multiple times afterwards
Before DVP cars looks modified after crash and still 90 laps down.
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Rush jobs to fix the car under the clock is not safer
How's this.... Any visible damage even wall stripes or tire marks, you're done. Can't continue under your own power for ANY reason, you're done. Spin for any reason you're out. Cause a caution for any reason....park yourself. Pit stop takes longer than 10 seconds- your car is clearly too damaged to continue. Need those rental-car tire shredders at out side of each pit box. Those shredders come up at 10 seconds.
NASCAR is broken. At this point, just watch any other form of racing out there. Petite LeMans is this weekend, and its going to be an absolute banger.
It needs to be aboilshed. It does more to harm than to help the teams and competition. Also for those defending it over concerns of safety. Name me one time anybody ever got severly hurt driving a beat up racecar after an accident. It's never happened.
I've been saying it for years now... The DVP needs to be abolished. Let the teams work on their damaged race cars in the garage if they are that damaged and let them come back on track like they used to.