LiFePO4 battery w/o a BMS: Top or Bottom Balance? Mismatched Cells?
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This is an old video when we ran packs without bms. Nowadays, you just slap a bms on the cells and it's good to go. It will top balance your pack and you don't need to think about anything.
So don't worry about top or bottom balancing. Use a BMS and you are set.
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Even I got mismatched cells, BMS will help. right? Thanks.
If you have a configure of more than 1 in series than you will have to bottom balance. BMS can't reach back on the 2nd series because the BMS only has leads on the 1st series
still have to set the parameters on the bms. You still need to set parameters on the solar charger and bms. It makes my life easier because if one fails to protect than the other is doing its job. Sometimes my epever will spike on the volts and won't shut off on high volts for a few seconds but, my bms will stop that in a flash.
Will, I'm just top balancing 4x 125Ah cells and I want to use effectively 100Ah at usable 12V system voltage (100A Daly 4S will of course be attached) in my overlander, with 2x100W solar on the roof. What voltages would you recommend? For the Victron MPPT and Orion I had in mind 14.2V absorption, adaptive, limited to 1hr, 6A tail current and 13.4V float. Victron BMV set to 100Ah capacity, 14.0V charged voltage and 5% tail current.
But after watching your video I'm no longer sure to set the voltages that high ..
Will, how much of a voltage difference between cells can I still consider as fairly well balanced? I know you said we can just slap on a BMS but I've heard many say that is not enough if the voltage or state of charge of the cells are way off. I am planning to buy slightly used LiFePO4 batteries for a 12V 4S 100AH DIY portable battery bank and I want to be able to make the most of the batteries but I'm afraid I may end up with "unbalanced" cells from the seller.
Thanks. Your videos have been very helpful for people like me who know little about these things and are trying to learn.
Hi, I have bought a used battery pack 16s10p made of LiFePo4. How could I balance them since I cannot remove the cells from the pack ? thanks
Good stuff, theory of battery balancing is even true in photography equipment!!! Great video Will, love you, keep it going :)Big thumbs up.
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A lot of the time I don't know what he's talking about but I listen anyway
Good news, I’ve been listening for 2 years and now get it… finally :-) Putting my first 24v system together now with the recommended stuff.
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My forte' is concrete and dirtwork as a construction surveyor and former federal chief inspector and knew very little about electric until I discovered you! I've worked on two of the tallest buildings in the world in succession in Chicago, but never did much with home building other than layout some subdivisions. My experience is strictly major construction, interstate highways and the like.
Techies like you tend to throw around a lot of acronyms. I figured out BMS as battery monitoring system, but continual acronym references becomes tedious and "cultish". I have great admiration for so much enthusiasm and diligence in one so young! Keep up the good work - I will be watching!
I have been living off-grid since 2013. I'm the first person in the Caribbean to use lifepo4 batteries for solar storage. I have to say your videos are the best I have ever come across with respect to solar and lifepo4 information. Keep up the magnificent work bro!
I think he just called me a dumbass because I have no idea what he was talkin about LOL I'll try harder next time
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Another very informative video ✌... what about one on victron battery protect?
Overkill BMS are cheep and work great!
DUDE Will YOUR A MIND READER. I was contemplating sending my cells back. I got one that fits this video unfortunately. I'm currently custom programming my TS-45 to deal with this issue. I have been manually balancing with a load tester to scrub voltage during the day on one cell. No matter what i do it just charges WAAAYYY faster then the other 3 cells. Now i gotta babysit it and set the HVD to what you said as i've been regularly hitting 4.0V on this one cell. I'm having trouble discharging as im still testing and not using it to its fullest right now but the Victron LVD is simple to change with the bluetooth model.
GREAT VID WILL I'M PULLING MY HAIR OUT until this vid. Might even scrap the cell and buy a new one to compensate the loss. Really want as much capacity as possible.
Seriously you should just get a refund. That's such a bummer!! And yeah it's not a fun problem to encounter. Very very frustrating. Glad this video helped! I hope you can return them if possible.
Love your Videos. Question: when I use a bms on my lifepo4 battery how do I protect my victron mppt charger? When the bms cut the charging and the solar panels are still putting power, how do I protect my charger? Panels still on my mppt and the bms cut, it could damage my charger right? Cheers from Germany
I also have this question, did you find the answer?
Your solar charge controller will convert the power from your solar panels into heat. Your bms will only cut the charging not the connection between battery and charger, that's what on my head. Please enlighten me, that's also a question I want to ask.
The choice of top/bottom balancing also depends on the application. In my case, my system is designed for solar backup and the cells are kept at approximately 90%. Since no lithium based cell tolerates constant trickle charging, my controller tops off the battery bank once a week while the BMS top balances. Even though there is a +- 4 Ah cell variation across the 600Ah pack, the cells stay well matched. 24 hours after top off the 16 cells are within 4-6mV and from 48 hours until the next top off, they stay within 2mV. It has operated this way for over a year now. To avoid bottom voltage issues and to extend battery life, the BMS will disconnect the pack at 15-20% state of charge although I have not encountered this case yet. This system gives me 3 days to either get solar back (snow melts) or start the generator. I don't have to bite my nails hoping one of the cells doesn't under voltage. Peace of mind is my goal.
Very insightful. Thanks for sharing. I use recycled 18650's to make my own batteries and this is a recurring thought for me. It was good to hear your thoughts on the matter. I do not use a Battery management system but I do use a batter monitoring device. It cost less than $20 but it displays the individual cell levels and the total battery voltage so if anything goes out of balance by too much then I can make adjustments as desired.
Active balancing ftw :)
That's what I have now, winning! Lol
No more vanlife videos?
Yeah I took a lot of them down and will probably stop making them. The van life crowd is filled with drama and are judgmental, and the solar power/diy people are super friendly and appreciative of my videos. I didn't really mean to turn this channel into a solar power channel, but damn, my van life videos weren't doing nearly as well as my solar videos and I was constantly fighting with people in the comments. Not with my solar videos. And I love the appreciation I get from them.
I love the solar vids too man, understandable about the drama sorry to hear. Your vids with Dave are fun to watch 👍
Thanks for making this video! It makes perfect sense!
Re Venom balancer. Is it safe to open it up. I have to wack mine a few times before it reads correctly and I wonder if something is loose.
Hi Will. Off topic. What are your thoughts regarding high Watt solar panels on rv builds. Example a single 320 watt panel connected to the EPEVER mppt 40 to 3 lithium batteries?
Thanks
Chris
Subscribed! Thanks for sharing. We have battery projects like this on our new channel Lucky Dog Farms.
Im running mixed chemistry. 24v 230Ah VARTA(3 pairs) and LiFePo4 (4Banks and growing) with 2 banks that were grade B/C and finding one bank bottoms out early. I will eventually sell off the lowest grade cells and replace with Grade B Fogstar ones.
One thing im constantly looking for is a suitable steel upright or stackable case that can integrate a 4~8s JK 8s2a200A BMS with a 24v setup, in Europe/UK. To allow chaining up multiple packs in my van. I'm not after a +3 man lift 200+lb server rack module.
I’m looking at buying 3 300ah 12v drop in replacements and connecting them in parallel for 900ah capacity, is there a different way to balance these?
Hi, I'm new to this, I have a question about balancing. For example, I have 4 lithium iron phosphate batteries. They all have different volts. 3.2v 3.4v, 3.1v and 3.5v. If I buy an active balancer ,There will be no need for manual top balancing? I hope you can help me
I usually don't comment, but that all REALLY made sense! Not only do I understand the necessary adjustments, but this is the first time I've really grasped the point of top/bottom balance. I knew it needed to be done, but now I understand why.
Hi, I have 6 battery packs from a hybrid car, they are 58 volts, how do i charge them accurately so they are all the same ? Thank you
I have a few packs. Hundreds of dollars worth i made for less than half because i followed these simple guideline. No Bms. Only thing to add mentally get a gauge of your average commute. Build battery accordingly. If a 10AH will drain halfway to work and back in up to few days. BUILD A DOUBLE IF POSSIBLE 15 OR 20AH. Cost is issue BUT KEY because of larger size. You never drain it maybe half. BOTTOM LINE YOUR CELLS ARE. NEVER STRESSED. STAYING BALLANCED. DONT WIMP OUT ON AMPS
I bought a XZOY 24V-5120W-LiFeP04 (200-BMS) and since it comes with it's own internal BMS, and is rated for 25.6V, what should I set the lower and upper limit to in my Victron Solar Charge Controller and/or my Victron MultiPlus-1?
Hobby chargers Digital throttles. Or Voltage alarms $2 and matching cells. You WILL NOT NEED A BMS.
I guess for ev's it's easier to replace the not so good cells. I've got a a cell was rocketing at 3.75 while all the other where all around 3.3...basically quite discharged. We're doing some testing about rebalance but the ending will be...just replacing most probably.
I WILL NEVER BUY FROM BATTERY HOOKUP AGAIN! WORST customer service... ever!
Well, leave comments or questions. Hmm
My 8 year old Trogen L-16 battery system is connected with 16 new LI-iron 280ah good quality top balanced batteries.
I cycle between 12.4 vdc and 13.4 vdc on my 12 solar panels here in Montana.
I will have to turn off the li-iron when the temp drops below 35 degrees in my shed.
I eventually will phase out the Trogen batteries and get another 16 Li-Iron.
About 3 months the system is off during the darkest part of winter, on trickle charge
ANY SUGGESTIONS, Please reply, Thank You.
Hi i have 4 x 210Ah Cells, 4S 12V. 2 x Cells at 3.33, 1 Cell at 3.25 and 1 Cell at 3.28. Maybe sound crazy, but is there a way to balance the cells by drawing current via a 3V Motor, to manually bring down each cell so they all have matching voltages, using a multi meter in the process. I have a Victron IP22 charger, so no good to top balance, and i don't want to buy another charger to top balance. The string will have a JBD BMS but I want to balance the cells before installing the BMS. Many thanks
Assume I have several 12v (4S) Batteries with their own 4S-BMS.
Assume also I have an Inverter that takes in 48VDC.
Q1: Will it work if I connect 4 of my 12V batteries in series to my 48V Inverter?
Q2: Can I connect the Inverter to the Batteries CAN port and get battery readings?
Ebike charge 95% add xtra string of cells increase4.2 more. Remember voltage equals Speed. My transistor is63v on a 36v setup i can handle 4 more. I heard this s few times. It van be done
I just bought 6x48v 30amp hour batteries and I can not get them to charge past 54.2volts. Manufacturer says to charge to 58.8v, but my Growatt maxes out at 58.4v. Doesn’t matter as the battery’s BMS (well one of them, they are in parallel) shuts the Growatt down at 54.2.
Manufacturer says to discharge and charge to full at 10 amps which I’ve done 3 times now with no improvement. These are LifePo4 chemistry batteries.
I have a question , if I change lifepo4 to 3.65 how long do I need to wait till it balance? I'm building 24v 8cell pack when parallel battery pack hits 3.65v I disconnect chage and check voltage tow cells in 3.64 and all other in 3.65 - grade A new cells (sorry about my English)
i have 6x50a&3x130a&1x270amp cell top balance=960ah x4=set at14.1v for my solar it works good .I got the batteries over time what do you say is this good
Why float-charge, since lifepo4 doesn't drop - after it hits its max charge?
All good was looking to only charge to 80-90% anyway for longevity. Possibly even less due to my like usage scenario. I'll adjust the charge limits when I'm going to use them and need max available power from them. But for day to day min draws, I'll let them stay in their happy place 😁
I do understand what you said in your video its a great help and I wrote it down so I know what I should set my charging limit to, to be in a safe zone and to promote long life of the batteries. Great video and you touched on things that are right on time with what I need to know. Thanks.
Great information! Thanks. My prismatic cells are charging evenly. They do seem to stop charging at 13.3v whether solar or plugin lead acid charger. So I guess that’s ok.
Thanks for a clear description of the benefits of bottom balancing and the risks associated with inexpensive BMS units. Many of us understand what we are doing, but for the noobies it is critically important that they get good information correctly presented - as you said, it is easy to get burned - these cells contain a lot of energy, which is why we use them...
What's difference between CALB and PRISMATIC?
If I build a 48v bank for a bike, would you recommend rebalancing the cells every 6 months or a year? Just to be safe?
I top balance my cells because I never get them down under 30% somehow but in summer they are always nearly full. So it depends on how you loadcycle your system. Then you must look how to balance it.
How to change the upper voltage limit. In the bms I have set the upper voltage to 3.4 volt. The cells are not good quality ones. It is getting disconnected before complete charge. Please help.
Will I just got 8 3.2v 120ah grade A cells all the cells read exactly the same 3.29v is it safe to go ahead install a 8S bms and start using them ??
i have 9=400w 51v solar&6=100w 18v so i went with(PowMr)mppt Solar charge controller
So if the LIFePO4 says it is 12.8 v 100Ah What is the Top and Bottom settings that I have to set my contoller at?
so maybe remove it?? Sometimes you don't read the comments and so happy someone said you dont need BMS because Im a lazy SOB and luckily I found the recent video that shows the overkill BMS and I go hey what the heck and then I see this comment and wonder why this video is still out there.
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OK so if you limit the charge voltage you can get the desired %? Like 60 - 70- or 80?
Interesting, I'm using a Zeva BMS (from Australia) which top balances (by slowly draining cells that are higher voltage). The problem with bottom balancing is my battery doesn't get to the bottom very often, while I do usually get it charged up each day. The balancer only drains milliamps, so it needs to do it often. Pretty much always something needs balancing, and it's not always the same cell series.
I do have my max charge voltage lower (thanks Victron) so as you say I'm not running it at full capacity. The Zeva BMS lets me configure what voltage it starts balancing. Right now my cells have a 0.03V difference and battery is 91% charged. One cell series 3.88V, the rest 3.90 or 3.91. So it's pretty subtle, but it's a big pack (6.5Kwh).
My BMS is connected to a Gigavac contactor switch so if any cell series goes too high or too low, (or if the BMS fails) it disconnects the whole battery. It should never get into that state though, as it should usually be balanced, and a battery protect should turn disable the DC power out before then, and the inverter has it's own limits too.
Note my pack is Lithium Ion (not LiFePO4) so in my case it's essential to keep things balanced or big fire could happen :)
Are there LiPOs that have the BMS integrated into the battery. (12 volts @ 10AH.)
Why can't I hook a 20 amp power sourc to my 20 amp solar charger, to have all the settings I need? or can I?
Have you tested daly bms, reasonable prices, but some look like fakes,
Great vids
I made a few videos trying to explain series battery and supercapacitor balancing. It really is super simple to understand but hard as hell to explain in a way to make sense to someone new to charging/discharging lol. I'm annoyed that lower priced chargers rarely let you adjust the charge voltage. It's always the max voltage for equal batteries so you have literally no safety margin. Then, the li ion batteries go from 100% to 90% and stay there really quickly unless you use them right away anyways.
bro can you make a video about mixing different brand of lifepo4 batteries in series ? like I have 12v 100ah plus another 12v 138ah and 12v 40ah batteries in series ?
Don’t do that you’ll effectively lose 100AH. In series you will get the least cell’s capacity.. so 36v 40AH
I don't know Will! There's a lot of people who builds these projects we put up on UA-cam, who will just build and forget. They're not going to monitor or check cell balance from time to time, no maintenance check, nothing. For these people I would say spend the money, get good matched cells, and stay as far away from the cheap used cells as possible. So in that way I disagree with you. I think we should encourage people to use new cells and discourage the use of old mismatched ones. On the topic of the BMS, I completely disagree with you. Over-voltage protection, under voltage protection, short circuit protection, not just balancing. I think the bigger problem with BMS boards is people don't look at the specs, and look at the price to determine which one is "best", with cheaper being better. For someone with a lead acid battery mentality, I would definitely recommend a quality BMS. More over there aren't just the two options Ultra expensive, or dirt cheap. There are some reliable BMS boards for around a 100 bucks. To be fair though, someone should design and build a smart "active" BMS, which monitor cell capacity and voltage, automatically adjusting total pack capacity without user input.
Awesome video, awesome topic.
Julian
Oh I totally and completely agree with you on every point. Absolutely. I just know how much people want to reuse these LiFePO4 batteries and how many cells are coming from electric buses from China. China has more EVs than the rest of the world's countries combined and we will have a ton of extra LiFePO4 batteries coming our way. So I am catering to those people. If someone wants to use LiFePO4, I show them battle born or relion. But for the diy groups online that like to be cheap, I'll show them how to do it safely. That's all
Oh ok, show me a BMS with 100 amp charging, 200 amp discharge, and large enough solder tabs to connect a 0 gauge wire. I haven't found one. when it says that it's rated for 100-amp discharged and has these tiny little tabs and I see pictures of them burnt up online, I question them. An overcurrent protection? Just use a fuse. Many of the BMS boards don't even have temperature cut off. but yeah let me know what board can actually work at the amperage that I need for a solar power system. I would love to see what you're using. I haven't found one yet they can connect up to 0/4 Gauge wire.
in fact will I didn't consider the large capacity packs you're working with, so I have to agree with you. A few months ago I found a BMS from China which said it would work up to 20 amps. I didn't show it on the channel but the thing blue flamed while pulling 100w 19A. On a second replacement version of that BMS, while soldering 12 gauge wire to the tabs, I actually melted the tabs off without using very little heat. I'm using Bestech BMS boards now, but they're not cheap enough for the DIY community. To be honest with you, what's behind this is people referencing your projects, JGs projects and my projects in their own videos. Later on I get feedback from them asking why their projects didn't work, or cells vented. Its a dangerous "hobby".
Anyway I wasn't trying to be critical oh, but you're right I didn't consider the large capacities you're working with.
Yeah it's tough to find for these large batteries. Small batteries, always use a BMS. High c rate and easy to find a BMS that works. But yeah, for these large systems where I am using 0 gauge and larger wires, I just don't see anything available unless I program an Arduino and build a relay/shunt system. But I know my viewers don't wanna code haha I used to love microcontroller programming as a kid, but man, I would love to find a BMS that can do what we need. But honestly try out large prismatic cells yourself with solar. It's super fun and easy. If you get a good bottom balance and you set upper voltage limit to 90% soc, that battery will be super happy. You should really try it!! It's really fun
Yes please! Someone release (and someone review) a smart active BMS. I am waiting on a $20 4S active balancer from ebay right now. This only balances, no other protections or functions. Fingers crossed it works well. If so I will be buying the 15S/16S version for my 48V packs.
Thanks, it makes a lot of sense. A cheap bms on a under stressed lifepo4 battery is not just a waste of money but gives the user a false sense of security.
Wouldn't a diode between the charger drop the voltage to the battery for chargers with set voltages ?
You are an excellent teacher!
excellent points! Hopefully it reaches the people that need to know to watch out for mismatched cells. :)
I have a 96 volt motorcycle that will only charge to 72 volts, which is to low to ride the bike, how do I fix it?
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Thank you handsome boy..
Miss you, Hope to see you soon...
if i have a bad cell
i will change it because
it would become parasite
to the system.
Nice haircut. You've been keeping up with your grooming since moving to San Diego.
Good video but can you do a full practical video on how to do it?
Interesting. TNX. 👍🏽
Top Btm is there a ver's balance. lmao
Greating good morning! You don't know my After Before About life! My life you funny comments? Life p04 balance humm! now Unavailable Video!! No Thanks.
Hahaha
Huh??
Why do you show a renogy charge controller and state you can't adjust the charge voltage? It's pretty easy with the computer software. Done mine many times....
How critical is balancing the liFePo batteries? And initial individually full charge before hooking up?
I have (8) 12v 100ah chins in a 4s2p config for my 5000w 48v phocos. I have about 2000w pv input.
Seems like they are not lasting long as they should.
So the question is are you a top or bottom
Why did you move so many of your videos to private...?? That's really disappointing.
Because they lack relevancy
Do you have a video explaining BMS size parameters. Example: if I have a bank of four 3.6v 280 ah cells what size BMS do I need?
Please let me know if I can use my Progressive Dynamics Industry Converter (PDI) (60amp- PD9260) to charge LiFeP04 12v solar battery system with correct BMS and controller.
I always know what your saying, you use English. But I wish you'd talk longer. So I could keep listening. Your rambling is awesome.
My problem is finding a BMS with built in bottom balancing because, as you said, I don't want to go to 100% SOC and many of them seem to balance at like 3.65v. Are there any BMSs with bluetooth where that balance point is configurable?
Hey Will! So, you’ve been in SD for several months now. Are you at all antsy to get nomadic again? Bored at all or happy to chill in one spot building epic solar projects and whatnot?
I felt antsy for the first two months but now I am super comfy here. I love it. I just am focusing on studying now. It's great
Will Prowse That’s awesome! Sounds like a pretty ideal situation. You really can’t beat the weather down here. I’m in Huntington Beach.
Hi Will, not sure if i can get an answer on this or not,, I may have asked in a previous video.. But here i learned that for solar it is better to do a bottom balance.. I will have a 13s system that i'm building using the big BMW cells, about 27Kwh. per cell. I think.. i calculated about 660Ah. and so i have learned that a BMS would be totally useless. and that bottom balancing is best..
What is the best way ( or is there a device) to bottom balance ?
There is no such thing as 'bottom balancing'. Setting a lithium pack's end of charge or low voltage disconnect based on the pack voltage is the fastest way to kill a lithium pack. A lithium pack must always be protected by cell-level max voltage and cell level minimum voltage. Cells change as they age - the weak cell when a pack is new won't necessarily be the weak cell 4 or 5 years down the road. The myth of 'bottom balancing' must die if one intends to get the expected 2000-3000 cycles from their LiFePO4 pack.
Do I need to balance my Lion Energy battery bank? I individually charged each battery (4) I haven't connected them together yet. I am running a 24V bank, 2 pairs of 12V batteries. Since the batteries have BMS, is it unnecessary for me to balance them? Will they do it on their own in time? I am probably over thinking this, but hoping you can help me out.
Thanks for your channel.
Could be great to make a comparison between an epever 30A and a victron 100/30A MPPT
I am actually doing that comparison right now haha
@@WillProwse I'm rightly looking over your neck 😉
Very curious to see the result 👍
@@maclow5211 Actually its the 20amp, oops. Yeah the results are interesting so far. Will be making a big solar charge controller video soon
At about 4:30 you suggest that it is best to stay between 20 and 80 percent charge. That means the lifepo4 battery bank is only useing 60% of its capacity. Presumably this prolongs the life of the cells. What about in electric vehicles? Does charging a set of lifepo4 cells to 100% and then discharging it to 0% on a regular basis greatly affect its lifespan? Comparison maybe? In other words, just how badly am I hurting my lifepo4 cells in my car by doing full discharge cycling? The answer to this question helps folks decide on wether or not to use standard lithium cells or lifepo4 for their electric vehicle. Thanks for the great videos! :)
If we use your recommendation and set limits to high (13.3)-low(12). Should we still balance the cell? Thanks.
Hi Will and all together, have I understand right, that I can top balancing my cells with 13.4v with my solar charger? With or without the BMS? And is that right that I don't need a extra Lithium battery charger to balance the cells? It would be great to get a answer from someone! 🙏🙏🙏😊
Will we have come across friends who have bought miss matched second-hand cells on eBay and they seem to take an age to balance and seem to drift out of balance quickly when worked hard - fortunately our bank are all matched cells
We are just experimenting with a grid tie inverter so our RV offsets our home domestic electric bill when not in use and parked on the driveway - we used SP17 30amp connectors
I am purchasing two separate LiFeP04 batteries from different manufacturers, because they are sized to fit in different foot-prints. Is it dangerous to pair two dissimilar battery manufacturers in parallel?
To be honest this , this is EXCELLENT !!! I am one of those guys out there that have a mismatch batteries and this is a good solutions for that. BMS is just wasted of money. Yeah I have BMS but on this tutorial this gave me a lot more safer than BMS.
BMS is just for lazy people how dont know a little math!!!
I use a simple $10 dollar battery charge controler to set custom charge parameters on any system. check it out might help you out. MODEL XH-M604
Do you have to worry about top or bottom balancing and capacity testing with prebuilt batteries like the Zooms batteries for example? Thank you Will! 🙏
Does the inverter matter ? I want to use a 2000watt inverter and then ultimately install solar on my roof. I don’t want to buy the wrong inverter and then have to change it when I install solar. The controller etc does matter correct?
They need to be solar oriented. Correct???
I am so confused 🤷♂️
Please reply.
Thanks Will
Excellent explanation. Between you and Jehu I think I get it. Debating whether to build my own battery for an ebike, still not sure. Vortecks is wrapping up a 20kw project, but I was thinking maybe 2500 lol. My need for speed is not like his.
Great vid. I want to take my son off the grid but he lives in Ramona, CA were it really gets hot in the summer. He has to keep his a/c on 24/7. The good news is he lives in a 20x8 foot insulated travel trailer with a small overhead Coleman a/c unit. To start the system I currently have 19 six volt deep cycle golf cart batteries and one 100 watt solar panel. So how do I calculate the remaining equipment that is required? Does one of your books cover this?
I think it depends on application w/out solar. For ex., junk cells used to intermittently power a fridge may be better off top balancing for fast charging. Junk cells used in a continuous manner seem better off bottom balancing to squeeze more safe power at low voltage.