Misconceptions Footnote †: Randomness and Feedback

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  • Footnote to the main video here: • Correlation CAN Imply ...
    Feedback loops and spurious correlations!
    REFERENCES:
    Spurious correlations: www.tylervigen.com/spurious-co...
    Loopy by Nicky Case: ncase.me/loopy/
    CERN/CMS paper on di-photon excess: cds.cern.ch/record/2139899
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  • @angeldude101
    @angeldude101 6 років тому +149

    The average global temperature is inversely correlated with the number of pirates.
    We need more pirates to help fight global warming!

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 6 років тому +16

      I didn't see it on this video when posting.
      It's a joke about drawing ridiculous conclusions from correlations. I don't know where it originated, but it was popularized by The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster which, among other things, encourages piracy (the seafaring kind, not digital) and in general pokes fun at religion.

    • @ALifeOfWine
      @ALifeOfWine 6 років тому +1

      MrSplodgeySplodge Inversely I believe would be the correct term.

    • @KnakuanaRka
      @KnakuanaRka 5 років тому +6

      Perfect example of confounding factors. Historical factors and progress led to the end of the age of piracy, which caused a decrease in pirates, while also starting the industrial revolution, which increased the production of greenhouse gases, which led to global warming.

    • @Real_KYN
      @Real_KYN 3 роки тому

      @@KnakuanaRka so evolution and global warming are positively correlated?

    • @KnakuanaRka
      @KnakuanaRka 3 роки тому

      @@Real_KYN How does evolution factor into what I said?

  • @Fiifufu
    @Fiifufu 6 років тому +209

    "Spiraly helix thing"

    • @Xrayhighs
      @Xrayhighs 6 років тому +2

      MyyMeli its the best!

    • @rd-6137
      @rd-6137 6 років тому +5

      spiraly helix is best helix

    • @MarkShaneHansen
      @MarkShaneHansen 6 років тому

      Spiraly helix things are my favorite kind of things.

  • @supercanadian0640
    @supercanadian0640 6 років тому +21

    A footnote coming after the video?
    What a coincidence

  • @UltraSuperGamer
    @UltraSuperGamer 6 років тому +14

    It's more of a chain.
    *puts on sunglasses*
    A Markov chain.
    YEEEEAAAAAAAAHH

  • @Jebediah2
    @Jebediah2 6 років тому +4

    Glad to see Spurious Correlations mentioned. It's one of my favorite websites to introduce to people.

  • @Eddygeek18
    @Eddygeek18 6 років тому +7

    Any kind of loop given time is a spiral. I use loops in coding, for, while, etc and they are loops but considering there is time taken between each loop they are spirals but there not it is called a for loop and a while loop because it loops. More grass, More sheep, Less grass, Less sheep, More grass. Its a loop in principle. Spiral in time.

  • @khageshbansal2400
    @khageshbansal2400 6 років тому +5

    Minute physics, ted-ed, asap science, all uploading video at same time. My day will now pass well.

  • @logicalfundy
    @logicalfundy 6 років тому +19

    Cherry picking is a huge problem. We pretty much never see the entire statistics behind a claim. Can I really trust somebody on the news (or in a forum, or in Facebook, etc) when they say "some scientist discovered XYZ is true"? Well, not really. The methodology and statistical data almost always requires a lot of effort to find. That's also why you often find claims that seem to contradict each other - because cherry picking data definitely allows you to make claims that are contradictory to reality.

    • @helderboymh
      @helderboymh 6 років тому +8

      logicalfundy my math teacher always said: "there is 3 kind of lies:
      Big lies, Small lies and statistics."

    • @SpeakShibboleth
      @SpeakShibboleth 6 років тому +3

      logicalfundy it's usually pretty easy to get published data as well as the methodology behind the analysis. The methodology is published with the paper and the data is normally available either on request from the author or on the university website.

    • @ChamiCh
      @ChamiCh 6 років тому +3

      marcel:
      The term was popularised in United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.".

    • @elliottmcollins
      @elliottmcollins 6 років тому +3

      Okay, but you don't get to throw all evidence out the window and believe what you want just because statistics is hard. If you think the sample isn't representative or that the causal inference is weak, you have to say why before throwing out a well-established study.

    • @logicalfundy
      @logicalfundy 6 років тому +2

      Elliott Collins Part of the problem is figuring out whether a study is well established.

  • @bpfastfeet25
    @bpfastfeet25 6 років тому

    One of your best illustrations Henry. Great example which is just abstract enough to focus the user's attention on the concept, while remaining simple enough to be easily understood. Truly impressive!

  • @asdfghyter
    @asdfghyter 6 років тому

    Ooh, cool to see Nicky Case's Loopy being used in a video like this. I really like his explorable explanations.

  • @thelastcube.
    @thelastcube. 6 років тому +6

    SCIENCE +STATISTICS = WONDERS

  • @technoJoe23
    @technoJoe23 6 років тому

    I love how he goes on in all his science-talk with complex terms, and then right at the end says "spiral-y helix thing" instead of just "helix"... :D

  • @tapocollino
    @tapocollino 6 років тому +28

    When physicists have no idea what they are talking about
    *"which we should draw as some sort of spirally helix thing"*

  • @satyamgupta3341
    @satyamgupta3341 6 років тому +1

    I appreciate your efforts to make physics interesting,
    Thanks minute physics team

  • @tontoepfer
    @tontoepfer 6 років тому

    Now I'm intrigued and hope you'll make a video on feedback loops...

  • @JoanRubra
    @JoanRubra 6 років тому +2

    0:13 people dead from becoming tangled in bed sheets by cheese consumed

  • @batmaaaaaaaaaaaaan
    @batmaaaaaaaaaaaaan 6 років тому +1

    IF you think about it, there is actually a loop between the grass and the sheep, more sheep means more fertiliser as faecal matter (poop), meaning more grass due to higher nutrition in the soil such as nitrogen, and thus more sheep and this even more grass, in till the limit of the grass growth is reached.
    Just an observations, otherwise great second video :)

  • @ayushdahal8331
    @ayushdahal8331 6 років тому

    We need more of your videos

  • @aseth9541
    @aseth9541 6 років тому

    Brilliant video!

  • @ginnyjollykidd
    @ginnyjollykidd 6 років тому

    Feedback loops are found in physiology and are very necessary in living beings. For example, hunger. In a combination of hypothalamus, pituitary gland, liver, intestines, nerve responses from intestines and the rest of the alimentary canal, and more, less food triggers a hunger sensation which triggers eating, triggers sensations of enjoyment, triggers's sensations of fullness, triggers feeling of satiation in hypothalamus, triggers shutdown of pituitary gland and digestion process, and many other subtle processes after satiety, and the emptiness after all these internal processes and the use of materials incoming, and then robbing other parts of the body for imminent process triggers the whole hunger process again.
    Part of the machinery that makes it a feedback loop is that it is a relatively closed environment, and it is highly regulated within a living body.

  • @andyt1313
    @andyt1313 6 років тому +8

    Love your vid. Although I wish it was "5minutephysics" instead.

    • @valeriobertoncello1809
      @valeriobertoncello1809 6 років тому +3

      andyt1313 The general name "minutephysics" implies a theoretical range of videos from 1to 10 minutes or more!

    • @tracyh5751
      @tracyh5751 5 років тому

      The channel name minutephysics is always accurate, provided the video length is measured with few enough significant digits.

  • @Magnasium038
    @Magnasium038 6 років тому

    I really like your interpretation of feedback loops as simply helixes projected onto a plane by suppressing the "sequence of events" data

  • @ruiningwang1644
    @ruiningwang1644 6 років тому

    YES! I am a firm advocate for the causality spiral helix thing!

  • @Jefferson-ly5qe
    @Jefferson-ly5qe 6 років тому +3

    Surely all causative relationships play out over time (in classical physics anyway)? Why is this drawn as a point of distinction between loops and other causal relationships?

  • @samgalloway8196
    @samgalloway8196 6 років тому +1

    Oh my God that explains why there was no recycle ♻️ logo thing in the earlier video about the island cat and height. I was looking for ages 😂

  • @fartzinwind
    @fartzinwind 6 років тому +1

    Got got super scientific at the end "Some sort of spirally helix thing". lol

    • @franzluggin398
      @franzluggin398 6 років тому +1

      I think the most accurate term to use is "WHEEEEEEE!!!".

  • @jvcmarc
    @jvcmarc 6 років тому +6

    What type of math is this?? Sounds so cool, I want to learn it

    • @farhanahmed2508
      @farhanahmed2508 6 років тому +4

      João Vítor Costa Statistics. It is really beautiful.

    • @cube2fox
      @cube2fox 4 роки тому

      It's called "causal modelling", a newly invented and quite revolutionary field of statistics. So new indeed that most statistics textbooks probably don't cover it! There are two standard books (but not exactly text books) on the subject: "Causality" by Judea Pearl and "Causation, Prediction and Search" by Peter Spirtes, Clark Glymour, and Richard Scheines. An introduction (somewhat focussed on philosophical implications) can be found online in the Standford Ecyclopedia of Philosophy article "Causal Models".

  • @Hecatonicosachoron
    @Hecatonicosachoron 6 років тому

    Well, I must say that the Lotka-Volterra system as well as other population dynamics systems, and non-linear systems of differential equations do each deserve their own videos...

  • @Hanesboi
    @Hanesboi 6 років тому +3

    This footnote was also as amzing as the other one! Great job oh i just imagne what a minute earth with minute physics colabortaaion would look like or maybe the science superpwers all in one video
    Kursgerzagt, CGP Grey, minute earth, minute physics, vox, vsauce, and its okay to be smarter etc. That would be an awesome 1-3 hour long video explaining a really interesting and complex thing like what E=MC^2 truly and what t completely means
    But alas such video is almost an impossibility

  • @derekmijangos9071
    @derekmijangos9071 6 років тому

    It's like the Ravenclaw riddle: What came first, the phoenix or the fire? Answer: A circle has no beginning.

  • @shmookins
    @shmookins 6 років тому +1

    Every time I wash my car, it rains. Correlation doesn't necessitate causation

  • @Kassidar
    @Kassidar 6 років тому +3

    "feedback loop"
    "feedback spirally helix thing"
    ...im gonna stick with the feedback loop

  • @brendansully12
    @brendansully12 6 років тому +1

    Misconceptions Footnote †: Randomness and Feedback

  • @InnocentDoodles
    @InnocentDoodles 6 років тому

    I think "Feedback Helix" is way more catchy than just loop.

  • @rubinhorh
    @rubinhorh 6 років тому

    me after every minutephysics video: starring at screen even though the video ended about 5 minutes ago...

  • @BULLSHXTYT
    @BULLSHXTYT 6 років тому

    Oh no this is amazing

  • @ravioli9154
    @ravioli9154 6 років тому +1

    Feedback loops? Oh you mean infinite whirly feedback springs

  • @fraserorourke2028
    @fraserorourke2028 6 років тому

    My god you're good at drawing spirals

    • @helderboymh
      @helderboymh 6 років тому +1

      Fraser O'Rourke I don't hope he gets any better at it, that could really spiral out of control.

  • @emperortgp2424
    @emperortgp2424 6 років тому

    The footnotes are more of a MinutePhysics video than the main ones.

  • @TheCoffeeSquirel
    @TheCoffeeSquirel 6 років тому

    in electrics we displayed feedback as an increasing amplitude sinus, wouldnt that be a good way of displaying feedback? have two sinus curves together?

  • @davidgreenwitch
    @davidgreenwitch 6 років тому

    Nice. I love that correlation website. Did you know, the relationship between Nicolas Cage films and people drowning "accidentally"? Coincidence? Don't think so... :P

  • @ComputerChris2
    @ComputerChris2 6 років тому

    I was expecting a "When [they] die, [they] become the grass, and they eat the grass" reference.

  • @OnyxJade
    @OnyxJade 6 років тому

    whoo, ncase!

  • @aroheebhoja3740
    @aroheebhoja3740 6 років тому +4

    I love your videos! But is it possible that you could speak a bit more slowly? I find it a bit difficult to keep up with the animations on screen and the info you deliver with the voiceover.

    • @pennymac16
      @pennymac16 6 років тому +1

      If your browser allows it, you should be able to adjust the playback speed in the player options. x0.75 should be good, I guess. Doesn't sound pretty, but it should help. =)

    • @NerdConfederation
      @NerdConfederation 6 років тому

      It is called >Minute

  • @aster1sk294
    @aster1sk294 6 років тому

    You should do a video about Perlin noise.

  • @erikbertram6019
    @erikbertram6019 6 років тому

    What would then be an example of a feedbackloop that doesnt run overtime. I understand that with the sheep grass example the time frame is quite big, but nothing happens instantaneously right?

  • @mtbrain1
    @mtbrain1 6 років тому

    is it possible for a feedback loop to occur where one entity in the relationship is the cause of another entity earlier in time? can causality follow space-like paths?

  • @kelvindavis4731
    @kelvindavis4731 6 років тому

    AAAWWW MAN! Bring on the ODEs!

  • @ValeriePallaoro
    @ValeriePallaoro 6 років тому +1

    ok .. anything that ends with the words 'spirally helix thing' ... is, officially, the best thing in the world!! Just saying

  • @winmine0327
    @winmine0327 6 років тому +1

    How do you know when you've collected enough data to rule out random association?

    • @MarcusCactus
      @MarcusCactus 5 років тому

      Wizmut There are statistical tests, depending on the type of data involved. ‘Enough’ is a non relevant concept in statistics.

  • @theon6742
    @theon6742 6 років тому +1

    Its not a loop, its a spirally helix thing. Got it.

  • @MegaMGstudios
    @MegaMGstudios 6 років тому

    Two vids in a minute? Damn

  • @MiguelRPD
    @MiguelRPD 6 років тому

    There seems to be a feedback loop in the visual matrix processor.

  • @teddy4534
    @teddy4534 6 років тому

    Or it just equals out over several generations until their are exactly enough sheep to eat exactly enough grass etc. so it ends up as an ordinary cycle.

  • @jbz3
    @jbz3 6 років тому

    Feedback loops spiral out of control.

  • @tylertracy965
    @tylertracy965 6 років тому +2

    Is it really that common to get tangled in bedsheets and die? That makes me afraid to go to sleep.

    • @Arombli
      @Arombli 6 років тому +1

      That is prolly more dangerous if your bed sheets are torn or other anomalies.

  • @atlasxatlas
    @atlasxatlas 6 років тому

    I want the song in the background
    How can I find it?

  • @reciklaje
    @reciklaje 6 років тому

    Bradford Hill criteria are needed in this.

  • @arnouth5260
    @arnouth5260 6 років тому

    I have a question about Schrödinger's cat, wouldn't an electron actually be a observer?

  • @AuroCords
    @AuroCords 6 років тому +1

    I don't think the reason you gave here for not including feedback loops in the other video is very clear..
    You basically just said: "because it's not a loop, it's a chain" So?
    I think a better one is because they were irrelevant to the other vid.
    Still very interesting footnotes tho :]

  • @chillialexander
    @chillialexander 6 років тому

    You should have put this in your previous video.

  • @affanansari9570
    @affanansari9570 6 років тому

    Woah this is also a patreon

  • @bobconley4495
    @bobconley4495 6 років тому

    how about a video on "why is the other side of my pillow cold "?"

  • @michaelzopff8862
    @michaelzopff8862 6 років тому

    I'm gonna start calling them "feedback spiraly-helix-things" from now on.

  • @technicaldifficulties3289
    @technicaldifficulties3289 6 років тому

    I've always heard that saying, but I haven't really understood it.

  • @HeyJD123
    @HeyJD123 6 років тому

    So how do you know when the sample size is big enough? Does that just mean that Correlation CAN'T imply causation because there's always a chance that the sample size wasn't big enough?

    • @SpeakShibboleth
      @SpeakShibboleth 6 років тому +1

      HeyJD You do statistical power calculations. This tells you what sample size is required for a given confidence level.

  • @vision6394
    @vision6394 6 років тому

    dear minutephysics crew
    i kinda need your help on a subject regarding science.
    but i fail to find your email adress anywhere.
    i would really apriciate it if you could help me out

  • @IceMetalPunk
    @IceMetalPunk 6 років тому

    In other words, the Law of Large Numbers and the arrow of time are both things :D

  • @seeker296
    @seeker296 6 років тому

    YES SPIRALY HELIX THING

  • @viditparab2851
    @viditparab2851 6 років тому

    I guess Number phile did a video on this ... only there they used a unique formula to calculate growth

  • @Knottoyster
    @Knottoyster 6 років тому +1

    Hey emm when I was watching Stevan universe I saw this ep it all the water in the world in a shape of a tower a really big one what would happened if that was in real life and if your doing your amazing

    • @Knottoyster
      @Knottoyster 6 років тому

      And then it will be like water

  • @zertilus
    @zertilus 6 років тому

    DNA is also a spirally helix thing isn't it?

  • @Beanpapac15
    @Beanpapac15 6 років тому

    mmh love this channel. Frankly after knowing how good this channel is minute earth is just garbage.

  • @allisonholley2751
    @allisonholley2751 6 років тому +1

    So . . sheep and grass all the way up?

  • @Csycamor
    @Csycamor 6 років тому

    Wait what am I doing its 2:30 a.m. and I have a tournament that I have to today

  • @joshdoeseverything4575
    @joshdoeseverything4575 6 років тому

    theoretically if you flipped 2 coins an infinite amount of times wouldn't there be a stretch where they were correlated an infinite amount of times?

    • @helderboymh
      @helderboymh 6 років тому

      JoshDoesEverything yes

    • @SpeakShibboleth
      @SpeakShibboleth 6 років тому +4

      JoshDoesEverything replace the second "infinite" with "arbitrarily many" and this is true.

  • @Tracy_AC
    @Tracy_AC 6 років тому

    You say we should draw the sheep/grass correlation as a helix instead of as a loop, but isn't that just a matter of perspective?

    • @Suedocode
      @Suedocode 6 років тому

      No, because the loop doesn't draw time as a dimension. A loop would imply that grass of the future would influence grass of the past.

    • @Tfin
      @Tfin 6 років тому

      Just look at the helix top-down.

  • @ahmedshaikha8938
    @ahmedshaikha8938 6 років тому

    It's called a helliciod

  • @Zimpfnis
    @Zimpfnis 6 років тому

    First time I am really interested in a sponsor. Brilliant.org is not cheap though...

  • @kalisticmodiani2613
    @kalisticmodiani2613 6 років тому

    There are no causes only concomittence. If particle A hits particule B and they go their opposite direction. Was A the cause of B's change or B the cause of A's change ? Both, neither.

    • @guaymaster
      @guaymaster 6 років тому

      A and B changed due to an interaction between both. Take away A, B, or their interaction, and everything stays the same.

  • @starcubey
    @starcubey 6 років тому +1

    If you don't draw the relationship between sheep and grass as a spiraly helix thing, you probably have no idea what you are talking about. 👌

  • @yohansaldana8218
    @yohansaldana8218 4 роки тому

    Who heard of The Zipf mystery?

  • @kiwi4923
    @kiwi4923 6 років тому +1

    What's a... sk-sky-unce? (Science)

  • @sam08g16
    @sam08g16 6 років тому

    Ok, so an island with lots of cats and grass will make sheep taller and increase tall people population then what??

  • @skebess
    @skebess 6 років тому

    Nice video.

  • @quinny-bn4jw
    @quinny-bn4jw 16 днів тому

    I am commenting #BringBackDislikes on every unique UA-cam video that I watch for the rest of 2024, regardless of if I actually dislike the video or not. This is video 818.

  • @fraz0r820
    @fraz0r820 6 років тому +74

    I'm so early that the number of dislikes is a 1 digit number

    • @areg7182
      @areg7182 6 років тому +1

      same

    • @AdittyaC7
      @AdittyaC7 6 років тому

      Boorider7 And the no. of likes didn't cross a 1000

    • @dylancope
      @dylancope 6 років тому +1

      I don't believe you, it's at 9 now so it couldn't have been a 1 digit number 23 minutes ago

    • @tonydai782
      @tonydai782 6 років тому +6

      Dylan Cope 9 is a one digit number if you know what digits or numbers are

    • @fraz0r820
      @fraz0r820 6 років тому +6

      Dylan Cope it's physically impossible to be more stupid than this. HOW DID YOU EVEN GET TO THIS CONCLUSION??? THIS MAKES NO SENSE WTF

  • @kevinyanqueamable9494
    @kevinyanqueamable9494 6 років тому

    hey, ¿It is possible to create a Black Hole with Dark Matter?

  • @simiankleurde1544
    @simiankleurde1544 6 років тому

    Scientists have genetically modified different animals and plants, some are cloning and some are combined cloning.
    Do you think it s possible for scientists to genetically modify unicorns and fire breathing dragons?

  • @xSofaKingBadx
    @xSofaKingBadx 6 років тому +1

    Sheep All the Way Up

  • @11Lauva
    @11Lauva 6 років тому +22

    0:47 Am i the only one seeing a smiley face? :D

  • @iPhoneeditor
    @iPhoneeditor 6 років тому +5

    Cherry picking statistical data to prove or disprove something is a huge problem. I hate when climate change deniers use this as a method of presenting "proof" that climate change isn't real while the scientific community as a whole recognizes that climate change is real and uses all available data to base an argument for it's existence and somehow still gets shut down. Statistical misrepresentation irks me.

  • @oldcowbb
    @oldcowbb 6 років тому +1

    minute DONGS, thing you can do online now guys

    • @Regimeshifts
      @Regimeshifts 5 років тому

      things you can do with dong online now

  • @I3asher
    @I3asher 6 років тому +1

    Neat

  • @good_8
    @good_8 6 років тому

    SUP

  • @fraz0r820
    @fraz0r820 6 років тому +1

    I'm so early that the main video and the footnote have the same amount of comments. Or is that late? I don't know

  • @roccolai1600
    @roccolai1600 6 років тому +157

    hi

    • @kevinhart4real
      @kevinhart4real 6 років тому +1

      wow

    • @fraz0r820
      @fraz0r820 6 років тому +11

      This doesn't deserve to be top comment. I was expecting a witty joke.

    • @fuizipra
      @fuizipra 6 років тому

      your first

    • @fuizipra
      @fuizipra 6 років тому +2

      i love this comment so relatable

    • @TheRandomizers
      @TheRandomizers 6 років тому

      sup dude

  • @TaylorjAdams
    @TaylorjAdams 6 років тому

    Wow. That spirally helix thing is based on Tim Maudlin's temporal geometry stuff isn't it?

  • @joshwillson9979
    @joshwillson9979 6 років тому

    Why did them delete the video that uploaded yesterday?

  • @poutineausyropderable7108
    @poutineausyropderable7108 6 років тому

    I always come here in the first minutes watching footnote because i'm sure this is a henry only video that can only be accessed through a link or will be removed later on. Like Even if this video upload was an error, i still wanna watch it because it's a minute physic video.
    Because at the beginning of notification squad, I once got a notification for a private video because youtube made an error. So only like 100 person saw it.