Around the world, this has been the go to mod for lifting 4x4s. Its taken the US this long to move away from old school methods. Again price isnt for the faint of heart, but this will probably keep your rig lasting longer.
I hope in the future the cost is able to work its way down. As a 5k to 10k upgrade would totally be worth it. But currently just to pricey, but totally awesome none the less.
They've always been on Unimogs and the Mercedes G-Wagon 4x4-Squared. It gives some pretty amazing clearance, but I've always heard that it's a modification that does NOT come cheap... you made a good point regarding the portals giving lift without modifying other suspension components. I saw another video from a company in Bulgaria making portals for a number of vehicles that also caught my eye, but I have no idea if they are as high quality as 74 Weld appear to be.
when I talk to off road guys and I mention first 'lifted,' mod should be a portal axel and they have no idea what I"m talking about... I give a sigh. oh and the HUMVEE
I would absolutely love this. I’ve been playing with portal axles on my rc crawlers for a couple years. Seeing them work on that small scale made me realize how great they would be on real Jeep. Now just make them a decent price so us broke off roaders can afford them!
Exactly, I have been searching everywhere to find anyone with real world feedback that is rock crawling with them on 37-40" tires and how the factory axles have held up...
Portals are cool. No need to regear and lift. Probably will cost the same as a good suspension setup. The axle question always comes up. It looks like you shift the geometry stress points with a portal setup. I think you are going to need a stronger axle tube at minimum especially at larger tire sizes. I'm not an engineer but I pretend to be one on the internet. LOL.
I just stumbled on this company, bought a 2023 Jeep 392 last week and have been looking at axles and 3.5" lift. This has my attention, the price is high but if they hold up with factory axles and 37's this might make sense when you work the numbers...
Haven’t seen or heard of an axle failing with them yet. I’ve build a few factory 392’s on portals and 40’s. They still ride as good as they did the day they bought them and it’s all reversible. You are correct that they seem high at first but when you break it down, it’s not really that different and you might find you’re further ahead.
@@Exodus4x4 I would love to see some videos or hear from others running the factory axles and crawling with this setup. There is almost nothing on the web, have searched all around and very little info on people running these hard on Jeeps in the rocks. The few I found on JLForum look like mall crawlers. Any links you can share would be appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to make this video, its super informative!
I’ve had portals on my sxs and my quads for some time, but never thought I’d see the same approach to full size vehicles. Where anyone can just buy a set and bolt them on. I definitely think there is a market for this style of aftermarket portals. I’d like to see portals on everything. Jeeps, Broncos, Subaru Outback, Honda CR-V… why not?
They've been around for a REALLY long time. The downside is they require some additional specific upkeep. They need oil and such added occasionally just like any kind of gearing apparatus. Historically they're almost always included in military trucks, the hmmwv and military Mercedes G-Wagons come to mind.
A friend of mine used to race mud boggs with cut 40" Biggers and a built small block v8 with stock toyota axles welded. The Toyota axles lasted longer than any of the big Dana axles he tried.
Problem with portals that sxs guys have known for a long time is the amount of pressure put on the steering. You're changing the leverage point when you move the tires out from their initial attachment point. Also you add another weak point because those gears are taking all the force of those larger tires. Breaking a portal on top of Moab Rim for example, is a fun time, and requires disassembling the whole unit before you can move again. Ask me how I know. Not to mention scrub radius, bump steer, etc.
For 25k just buy a surplus hmmwv. Comes stock with portals, brakes on the diff and 37 inch bead locks. Oh and torsion lockers front and rear. Main downside is that they are wide, slow, and independent suspension so not much flex.
To me the portal axles are the ultimate upgrade. Pricing reflects that word "ultimate". Bronco forums love spreading rumors about aftermarket steering racks. They're giant rabbit holes on forums.
There's really no extra weight unless your wheel is in the air, which admittedly could happen, especially on the crossover models you are mentioning. But the upside is you won't be burning up CV axles because of the angle of a lift. It might actually be a net good with reduced risk. I'd worry more about the weight from a power and torque standpoint, especially on lossy torque vectoring AWD's. You'd need the most powerful engines and best transmissions to power thru the extra weight and gearing. But it would be worth it, assuming they were produced in sufficient numbers to be affordable. If they were designed with some of the internal gears that could be multi-tasked to other models, so that there would be less unique gears required, that could cut down costs, but the housing would be unique to the models.
@Databyter with that logic people wouldn't be bending axle C's by wheeling with 35s. Also found my answer on the website that says the axle tubes are weak and are prone to bending due to the extra weight. Also aftermarket balljoints are highly suggested due to the extra weight. The less strain on actual drive train parts is a big plus but would still want to factor in a aftermarket housing or sleeve/truss the stock housing.
@@ericmaxwell424 I agree Eric. If you are going to be investing that kind of money and adding weight and resistance, it is common sense to upgrade that area with more heavy duty components where needed.
I really like them, Talked with Quinn a bit but I feel like for this price there is a missed opportunity to bring a central tire inflation like other portals do. If there is enough of an ask maybe they'll come up with a v2 that has it?
it looks really good and the material choices make sense. I do question longevity though. their Steel bolts that they used for the knuckle to housing look a bit skinny. With corrosion already being an issue with the salt belt, using steel bolts might not be a good choice if they have two aluminum billets that are exposed to the environment. I know steel would have been heavy, but it would probably work better than Al for what these portal axles go through. And way cheaper too. The spec sheet (aka crappy powerpoint) gives me the idea that they also do the installation and give you more add-ons. But for 25k their whole assembly should be bulletproof. Thats a ton of money. Its made for hardcore off roaders but i dont see these taking the abuse for long. Especially in the salt belt states like utah. Not sure how they do structural analysis and testing, but I wouldnt spend money on this
Great video! A few factors would like to have some more info on, what is the added weight and maintenance for these? Will there be custom gearing options?
I’ve been looking at those for the last couple years anyway that we can find some that are affordable they will be coming out with new ones that are 16 instead of 24. They’re casted instead of machine 16 is still a lot of money. Portals are very popular in Australia.
These would be great, but $25,700 for all four wheels before sales tax is close to equaling the V-8 swap I’m saving for on my Gladiator. I hope they can get the prices down because I really like these portals, just outside my budget.😞
The bank account would hate to see a slightly more affordable version due to the Canadian dollar 😂. But damn would save me the headache of trying to unimog swap my gladiator!
Good information on an idea that made the H1 Hummer so capable. However, the Portals on those are about 20k ea. However, I'd love to put these on my Frontier PRO4X
That's pretty cool tech. I've heard people mention portals a few times, but I really didn't understand how they worked until this video. Well done. And It's only a matter of time before somebody tries that on a softroader, like A Subaru, for the lift and the bigger tires without the final gear penalty which is even worse for AWD soft-roaders with no low range. I mean, it would be ridiculous to you Jeep guys . I realize that. But it would also be kinda unique and cool to have a super lifted Subaru Wilderness with a 2-3 inch lift and 32" tires (I'm already at 10" clearance with NO lift and 2 sizes over stock 29 1/2"tires). Honestly it might not work to well because of the lossy brake controlled torque vectoring unless it was on the Outback Wilderness or XT or Oynx with the Turbo engine that could handle the extra weight resistance that would be trivial to the bigger beasts, but a challenge to the some of the models AWD torque vectoring logic without running out of useable torque. (This is why 4x4's with solid gears and low ranges are so superior to AWD's overheating torque converters and CVTs'). The Wilderness would be the natural choice for such a monstrosity since it already has a turbo power plant, slightly lower final gearing, and a CVT cooler for the extra work, making it a more capable power plant than a lot of the other trims. I know you guys are gonna flame me and tell me Subaru's aren't 4x4's. I already know that. I just like tweaking out cars. I have a Wilderness, and it would be awesome to have a few more inches clearance without bungling up my underbody and suspension and running my CV shafts at an angle. I bet it would cost a lot just for Jeeps and Bronco's. A Subaru would be probably a one -off and cost a damn fortune, unless there was a market for them, and honestly. Subaru people are nuts, I know because I am one. If they offered them cheap, they would fly off the shelfs, IF the engines and CVT's could power them, and IF the torque vectoring logic wasn't confused by them, which honestly it shouldn't be, but it would have to be tested. I am local San Diego with a 2022 Wilderness if you want a test guinea pig, I'd consider it depending on details... I want to get one of those Full sized Badland Bronco's too once there is a used market for them, which will be a WHILE in todays back-ordered market. I bought the Subaru to save myself buying the Bronco I can't really afford yet. I have (had, I got fired) a long commute and need good MPG. But I could afford a used Bronco as a second vehicle in a few years, for the harder stuff. In the meantime, the Subaru gets me a lot of places and would take me even more places with a few more inches clearance. And I could use the lower gearing as well. And for the record, I'm just talking about rutted fire roads and truck trails. I know Subarus are never going to be doing any real serious offroading or rock crawling. But in my opinion, if they could be lifted using this method and geared for larger tires, that would be a nice mod for a guy that likes to go thru severely rutted steep mountain roads but have a relatively tame commuter car during the week. Now tell me all the way's I'm wrong, and wrong headed.. Lol. Databyter
@@Dubya9W9 No yeah it’s crazy $10k cheaper i might consider it over an axle swap. DSTRAC, currie etc are all cheaper But the advantages is that it does include brakes and a lift basically. So the cost might be offset by that to some. It’s just a huge initial investment
@@gabrieldalcomune3044 It's Ridiculous!!! 4k at most I rebuild a Truck diesel Engine that can crap out 1k hp and over 2k tq for less than 25k... its insane!
@@Dubya9W9 I mean dynatrac d60s are up there, even currie 60s are 15k. Most brake kits for wontons im sure are in the $4k range. So the cost would be similar to just a lift, big brakes, and wontons i think. But then you run into the fact that if you just do that, plus D44s you’re running into the issue of running big tires on a D44 if you run 38+ For most I agree $25k is ridiculous. But for the few that build their rigs crazy; they might be able to swing it.
@@gabrieldalcomune3044 Right! so even if you get these, you still run into the Axle issue with bigger tires...so now you still have to spend Thousands of dollars for axles, coilovers and everything else in between...nah! If someone want to get them, more power to you...But i call it like i see it..Snake Oil! and i'm willing to even say 7 to 8k at the most for a set of 4.. Need to set Realistic prices for these parts or these manufactures go Ape Shiz...just to compare...On my Semi-truck..Axle housing and Differential are 6k$$$...how is it possible for Semi truck to have cheaper axles than a .....JEEEP...in what world!!??
Portals have been around for years, company in Germany and another in Ukraine make them for Jeep, Rover, Toyota, jimny etc. been a couple of American companies that had them too.
Quinn do you have any videos or links you can share where someone has used the factory axles and a 37-38" tire? I just bought a 2023 392 and will most likely run 37's with a 3.5 lift. Its not a daily driver and gets used 2-3 times a year on the Rubicon and some other High Sierra trails along with a trip to Moab every couple of years.@@quinnpultz8004
This is really cool!! The Tacoma guys would probably dig portals quite a bit too. Probably not far off the cost of doing gears, suspension and all the other little bits involved.
I can see portals good for snow. With portals your not gonna get any more flex. You'll need a suspension lift for that, longer springs and shocks. $5k lift vs $25k portals, no thank you.
If you're going to buy dynatrac you're only spending 5K more. My question is which beadlocks do you use because they're asking for a plus 25 offset . And will it work with an EVO longarm and coilover?
Toyota crowd would buy em up to replace the crappy hub bearings that dont like anything 35"+. Marlin Crawler RCLT IFS kit is bulitproof w Landcruiser steering rack and RCV Axles except for the OEM bearing problem not yet solved. W/ the Marlin IFS kit late model Yoda guys are wheeling 38-40's now but now replacing hub bearings almost every oil change. Maybee 24Weld could figure out a OEM style Yoda unit hub bearing that takes the big wheel weight abuse?? Here in Socal between modded Tacomas and 4R there seems to be alot more Toyota than Jeep out here.
I have a few questions about this, I have an AWD rx350. No lift kit exists specifically for my vehicle and the AWD system doesn’t have a true low range gear set, and also has a safety cut out to disengage the rear axle at 25 mph to protect the transfer case. My first question is, are portals universal to fit just about any vehicle or do they need to be custom built to the make and model of vehicle they will be installed on? My second question is will the gearing in the portals prevent wheel slippage enough to prevent the safety on the transfer case from thinking it is at the disengage speed? Most notably I’ve had that safety engage in the snow when I lost traction, but I can also see it disengaging if I was stuck in mud or sand and needed additional wheel speed to try to rock the vehicle out. My final question is about cost. How much would a set of portals run me? Oh and are they compatible with IFS vehicles? Thanks in advance
We are working on a solution that will allow it to work across all Bronco trim packages, regardless of suspension. Stay tuned and an update video should be coming soon
$25k?!? I can build the gladiator with a 3.5 lift, re-geared and all geometry correction for less than half that. The set up is super cool just out of my price range.
Another of the big problems with the stock Bronco rack & pinion is the rack doesn't have guides for the rack to slide against when there is flex in the system. There is just a weak lip inside the case. The rack just starts chewing up the case and causing it to fall apart. This has been addressed by BroncBuster but it is still a weak point.
Lol, that guy is not answering anything with his band aids. Largest reason why he’s been so popular is because while others have been working on a serious fix, he’s been peddling snake oil. The rack design 74 is offering should fix the actual problem. We’ll see
With 4.56 gears in my Gladiator Diesel (your shop installed) and the 1.22 gear reduction from the Portals, that would be equivalent to 5.56 gearing if my 3rd grade education math is correct.
Dear gawd, the cost. I'm good. I could destroy both my axles, buy upgraded aftermarket, pay someone to install and still come out well ahead. These might be fine for a race team getting them for free. This cat has to buy my toys.
For those still complaining about price.... Do some math on how large of a tire one would need to get a true 3.88" axle lift? How much more wear and tear would you get from such large tires? How much stability are you losing with the amount of suspension lift you need to gain 3.88" of axle clearance? How much more fuel are you burning with the extra lift and weight of such large tires?
Axletech has been building these for kingpin 60s and 14 bolts for years. Need to hit the lottery first though lol
Notice they never mention the cost. Its expensive AF
14k per corner...
Site says $24k for a stock rubicon setup with a parking brake.
Just donate one of your testicles and you can afford one!! or two!!
74 weld is in San Diego and they build a ton of portal axles for ultra 4 buggies
@@BadDrivers101 geeze. Thats gunna be a big fat no for me.
H1s, Hmmwvs and unimogs have been on portals for years.
Around the world, this has been the go to mod for lifting 4x4s. Its taken the US this long to move away from old school methods. Again price isnt for the faint of heart, but this will probably keep your rig lasting longer.
The secret to the aluminum from 74 Weld having elasticity strength is the Tapatio Sauce on the desk.
Hell yeah!😂
I hope in the future the cost is able to work its way down. As a 5k to 10k upgrade would totally be worth it. But currently just to pricey, but totally awesome none the less.
They've always been on Unimogs and the Mercedes G-Wagon 4x4-Squared. It gives some pretty amazing clearance, but I've always heard that it's a modification that does NOT come cheap... you made a good point regarding the portals giving lift without modifying other suspension components. I saw another video from a company in Bulgaria making portals for a number of vehicles that also caught my eye, but I have no idea if they are as high quality as 74 Weld appear to be.
when I talk to off road guys and I mention first 'lifted,' mod should be a portal axel and they have no idea what I"m talking about... I give a sigh. oh and the HUMVEE
Thanks for the Portal explanation and showing what a clean shop should look like
this 1 video had me up all night on youtube and online reading on portals
I would absolutely love this. I’ve been playing with portal axles on my rc crawlers for a couple years. Seeing them work on that small scale made me realize how great they would be on real Jeep. Now just make them a decent price so us broke off roaders can afford them!
I love this portal idea... but still have to find and build where they use the stock axle and put the portal.. not changing to some d60 plus portal
Exactly, I have been searching everywhere to find anyone with real world feedback that is rock crawling with them on 37-40" tires and how the factory axles have held up...
Portals to a new dimension!!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
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Portals are cool. No need to regear and lift. Probably will cost the same as a good suspension setup. The axle question always comes up. It looks like you shift the geometry stress points with a portal setup. I think you are going to need a stronger axle tube at minimum especially at larger tire sizes. I'm not an engineer but I pretend to be one on the internet. LOL.
Portals are like 20k. They are awesome, but far more pricey than suspension.
@@ozguy1393 I just priced this out for a Stock Rubicon Gladiator ...
BOOM! I think your Bronco will look really good in shiny aluminum!
I just stumbled on this company, bought a 2023 Jeep 392 last week and have been looking at axles and 3.5" lift. This has my attention, the price is high but if they hold up with factory axles and 37's this might make sense when you work the numbers...
Haven’t seen or heard of an axle failing with them yet. I’ve build a few factory 392’s on portals and 40’s. They still ride as good as they did the day they bought them and it’s all reversible. You are correct that they seem high at first but when you break it down, it’s not really that different and you might find you’re further ahead.
@@Exodus4x4 I would love to see some videos or hear from others running the factory axles and crawling with this setup. There is almost nothing on the web, have searched all around and very little info on people running these hard on Jeeps in the rocks. The few I found on JLForum look like mall crawlers. Any links you can share would be appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to make this video, its super informative!
I’ve had portals on my sxs and my quads for some time, but never thought I’d see the same approach to full size vehicles. Where anyone can just buy a set and bolt them on. I definitely think there is a market for this style of aftermarket portals. I’d like to see portals on everything. Jeeps, Broncos, Subaru Outback, Honda CR-V… why not?
They've been around for a REALLY long time. The downside is they require some additional specific upkeep. They need oil and such added occasionally just like any kind of gearing apparatus. Historically they're almost always included in military trucks, the hmmwv and military Mercedes G-Wagons come to mind.
@@Cortexian thanks for stating the obvious. Kits like this have not been around for a REALLY long time.
@@Cortexian Those giant @$$ Mercedes Unimogs have them. Those were like gold to swap under a full size back in the day.
Portals would be hilariously awesome on my 2nd gen CR-V
didn't they start on VW Transaxel reduction gear???
Great video! Thanks for putting this together!
A friend of mine used to race mud boggs with cut 40" Biggers and a built small block v8 with stock toyota axles welded. The Toyota axles lasted longer than any of the big Dana axles he tried.
Problem with portals that sxs guys have known for a long time is the amount of pressure put on the steering. You're changing the leverage point when you move the tires out from their initial attachment point. Also you add another weak point because those gears are taking all the force of those larger tires. Breaking a portal on top of Moab Rim for example, is a fun time, and requires disassembling the whole unit before you can move again. Ask me how I know. Not to mention scrub radius, bump steer, etc.
I love portals. I wish there were some made for my Colorado.
Finally 😂 been looking at those for a while 😅
Are they 5k per corner?
Glad to see a new video. Looking forward to seeing more from you and new podcasts as well. 🇺🇸✌🏽
For 25k just buy a surplus hmmwv. Comes stock with portals, brakes on the diff and 37 inch bead locks. Oh and torsion lockers front and rear. Main downside is that they are wide, slow, and independent suspension so not much flex.
To me the portal axles are the ultimate upgrade. Pricing reflects that word "ultimate". Bronco forums love spreading rumors about aftermarket steering racks. They're giant rabbit holes on forums.
I would LOVE portals on my Silverado ZR2
I'd be worried about all the stress added to the stock axle c's and axle tubes bending from all that extra weight on the ends.
From their site - Converts your rear semi float axle to a full float
There's really no extra weight unless your wheel is in the air, which admittedly could happen, especially on the crossover models you are mentioning. But the upside is you won't be burning up CV axles because of the angle of a lift. It might actually be a net good with reduced risk. I'd worry more about the weight from a power and torque standpoint, especially on lossy torque vectoring AWD's. You'd need the most powerful engines and best transmissions to power thru the extra weight and gearing. But it would be worth it, assuming they were produced in sufficient numbers to be affordable. If they were designed with some of the internal gears that could be multi-tasked to other models, so that there would be less unique gears required, that could cut down costs, but the housing would be unique to the models.
@Joe Timmons the rear axle doesn't have axle C's that are prone to bending just wheeling with 35s.
@Databyter with that logic people wouldn't be bending axle C's by wheeling with 35s. Also found my answer on the website that says the axle tubes are weak and are prone to bending due to the extra weight. Also aftermarket balljoints are highly suggested due to the extra weight. The less strain on actual drive train parts is a big plus but would still want to factor in a aftermarket housing or sleeve/truss the stock housing.
@@ericmaxwell424 I agree Eric. If you are going to be investing that kind of money and adding weight and resistance, it is common sense to upgrade that area with more heavy duty components where needed.
I really like them, Talked with Quinn a bit but I feel like for this price there is a missed opportunity to bring a central tire inflation like other portals do.
If there is enough of an ask maybe they'll come up with a v2 that has it?
Sounds good.
WEREWOLF bolt-on portal axles kit on Mercedes G-class have been around for awhile. Look foreward seeing these portals on Jeeps. Thanks
And they aren’t abs compatible, or made in the USA. Huge difference
@@Exodus4x4 Sounds like the way to go. Thanks
@@Exodus4x4 they make them for Jeeps and Rover too. What makes you think they don’t take abs? Both werewolf and Tibor portals are well engineered.
it looks really good and the material choices make sense. I do question longevity though. their Steel bolts that they used for the knuckle to housing look a bit skinny. With corrosion already being an issue with the salt belt, using steel bolts might not be a good choice if they have two aluminum billets that are exposed to the environment. I know steel would have been heavy, but it would probably work better than Al for what these portal axles go through. And way cheaper too.
The spec sheet (aka crappy powerpoint) gives me the idea that they also do the installation and give you more add-ons. But for 25k their whole assembly should be bulletproof. Thats a ton of money. Its made for hardcore off roaders but i dont see these taking the abuse for long. Especially in the salt belt states like utah. Not sure how they do structural analysis and testing, but I wouldnt spend money on this
I wish someone would make portals for the wk2 grand Cherokee. That would be game changer for us.
Great video! A few factors would like to have some more info on, what is the added weight and maintenance for these? Will there be custom gearing options?
Great question. Maintenance is a total of 3 quarts about the time you change the oil in your engine. Little extra maintenance but not too bad.
Bronco Badlands owner… keeping my ears/eyes open.
I am also staying tuned.. I just looked on their site. 25k for a rubicon setup 😳
Love this idea for my 392 with stock 3.73's to go up to 37 inch tires or bigger without the lift kit.
I’ve been looking at those for the last couple years anyway that we can find some that are affordable they will be coming out with new ones that are 16 instead of 24. They’re casted instead of machine 16 is still a lot of money. Portals are very popular in Australia.
They are working towards a casted housing
@@Exodus4x4casted…..
These would be great, but $25,700 for all four wheels before sales tax is close to equaling the V-8 swap I’m saving for on my Gladiator. I hope they can get the prices down because I really like these portals, just outside my budget.😞
They’re working towards making them more affordable
@@Exodus4x4 This is going to be just another expensive off road gadget for the wealthy mall cruisers
@@pcx4545 I agree
25k? I could build an old 4runner and make it turbo diesel for that. With SAS, lift and lockers.
@@pcx4545 Wealthy don't mall cruise, that's for guys like you and your $600 Rough Country lift on 22 inch rims.
The bank account would hate to see a slightly more affordable version due to the Canadian dollar 😂. But damn would save me the headache of trying to unimog swap my gladiator!
The only question I would have would be about tire scrub on the front. Other than that, portal axles are great.
Good information on an idea that made the H1 Hummer so capable. However, the Portals on those are about 20k ea. However, I'd love to put these on my Frontier PRO4X
That's pretty cool tech. I've heard people mention portals a few times, but I really didn't understand how they worked until this video. Well done. And It's only a matter of time before somebody tries that on a softroader, like A Subaru, for the lift and the bigger tires without the final gear penalty which is even worse for AWD soft-roaders with no low range. I mean, it would be ridiculous to you Jeep guys . I realize that. But it would also be kinda unique and cool to have a super lifted Subaru Wilderness with a 2-3 inch lift and 32" tires (I'm already at 10" clearance with NO lift and 2 sizes over stock 29 1/2"tires). Honestly it might not work to well because of the lossy brake controlled torque vectoring unless it was on the Outback Wilderness or XT or Oynx with the Turbo engine that could handle the extra weight resistance that would be trivial to the bigger beasts, but a challenge to the some of the models AWD torque vectoring logic without running out of useable torque. (This is why 4x4's with solid gears and low ranges are so superior to AWD's overheating torque converters and CVTs'). The Wilderness would be the natural choice for such a monstrosity since it already has a turbo power plant, slightly lower final gearing, and a CVT cooler for the extra work, making it a more capable power plant than a lot of the other trims. I know you guys are gonna flame me and tell me Subaru's aren't 4x4's. I already know that. I just like tweaking out cars. I have a Wilderness, and it would be awesome to have a few more inches clearance without bungling up my underbody and suspension and running my CV shafts at an angle. I bet it would cost a lot just for Jeeps and Bronco's. A Subaru would be probably a one -off and cost a damn fortune, unless there was a market for them, and honestly. Subaru people are nuts, I know because I am one. If they offered them cheap, they would fly off the shelfs, IF the engines and CVT's could power them, and IF the torque vectoring logic wasn't confused by them, which honestly it shouldn't be, but it would have to be tested. I am local San Diego with a 2022 Wilderness if you want a test guinea pig, I'd consider it depending on details... I want to get one of those Full sized Badland Bronco's too once there is a used market for them, which will be a WHILE in todays back-ordered market. I bought the Subaru to save myself buying the Bronco I can't really afford yet. I have (had, I got fired) a long commute and need good MPG. But I could afford a used Bronco as a second vehicle in a few years, for the harder stuff. In the meantime, the Subaru gets me a lot of places and would take me even more places with a few more inches clearance. And I could use the lower gearing as well. And for the record, I'm just talking about rutted fire roads and truck trails. I know Subarus are never going to be doing any real serious offroading or rock crawling. But in my opinion, if they could be lifted using this method and geared for larger tires, that would be a nice mod for a guy that likes to go thru severely rutted steep mountain roads but have a relatively tame commuter car during the week. Now tell me all the way's I'm wrong, and wrong headed.. Lol. Databyter
I think a Subaru on portals would be rad!
Great info! How much do the portals increase the track width on a JL?
i’ve been dreaming of portals for my Jeep for years, but they’ve always been crazy expensive
i just looked...at 24k $$..pass
@@Dubya9W9 No yeah it’s crazy $10k cheaper i might consider it over an axle swap. DSTRAC, currie etc are all cheaper
But the advantages is that it does include brakes and a lift basically. So the cost might be offset by that to some. It’s just a huge initial investment
@@gabrieldalcomune3044 It's Ridiculous!!! 4k at most
I rebuild a Truck diesel Engine that can crap out 1k hp and over 2k tq for less than 25k... its insane!
@@Dubya9W9 I mean dynatrac d60s are up there, even currie 60s are 15k. Most brake kits for wontons im sure are in the $4k range. So the cost would be similar
to just a lift, big brakes, and wontons i think.
But then you run into the fact that if you just do that, plus D44s you’re running into the issue of running big tires on a D44 if you run 38+
For most I agree $25k is ridiculous. But for the few that build their rigs crazy; they might be able to swing it.
@@gabrieldalcomune3044 Right! so even if you get these, you still run into the Axle issue with bigger tires...so now you still have to spend Thousands of dollars for axles, coilovers and everything else in between...nah!
If someone want to get them, more power to you...But i call it like i see it..Snake Oil! and i'm willing to even say 7 to 8k at the most for a set of 4..
Need to set Realistic prices for these parts or these manufactures go Ape Shiz...just to compare...On my Semi-truck..Axle housing and Differential are 6k$$$...how is it possible for Semi truck to have cheaper axles than a .....JEEEP...in what world!!??
I want! Take my money!
Pretty cool stuff. Didn't know you were in Corona
Very cool!
This will never be the future but very cool
I already looked this up a long time ago. It’s 5k per corner!
With tax and a parking brake it's nearly 7k per corner!
Need some for our LJ
Portals have been around for years, company in Germany and another in Ukraine make them for Jeep, Rover, Toyota, jimny etc. been a couple of American companies that had them too.
My question would be how are they for daily driving... and at highway speeds? I've heard they can overheat a bit
Man, good question. Should be fine for daily driving but I would definitely reach out to the guys at 74Weld and ask them.
Heat is not a problem. We drove from San Diego to Sedona in the middle of summer where it was 115 outside. Portals got to 176 degrees
Quinn do you have any videos or links you can share where someone has used the factory axles and a 37-38" tire? I just bought a 2023 392 and will most likely run 37's with a 3.5 lift. Its not a daily driver and gets used 2-3 times a year on the Rubicon and some other High Sierra trails along with a trip to Moab every couple of years.@@quinnpultz8004
This is really cool!! The Tacoma guys would probably dig portals quite a bit too. Probably not far off the cost of doing gears, suspension and all the other little bits involved.
The price is ridiculous- 24k. You can do a high-dollar suspension, wheels, tires, 1-ton swap, lockers, gears, and V8 swap for that.
@@robertkemper5338 or turbo Diesel lol
those are sooooo expensive but awesome
As soon as theres a set for a full sized vehicle (not a sxs) for less than I can pay for another capable full sized vehicle, I'll be interested.
Coolest possible upgrade for the Bronco should be a solid front axle. 😁
I can see portals good for snow. With portals your not gonna get any more flex. You'll need a suspension lift for that, longer springs and shocks. $5k lift vs $25k portals, no thank you.
Same as g wag 4x42. Direction i think it will be the next dev
Let me know if they make them for the Jeep MP Compass in the future id buy a set.
If you're going to buy dynatrac you're only spending 5K more. My question is which beadlocks do you use because they're asking for a plus 25 offset . And will it work with an EVO longarm and coilover?
Lol....
I live in El Cajon....sweet
How well.and what kind of service intervals would it need for daily driving
Will you be doing a walk around video on the blue 392 in the back ground?
Maybe, but it’s very similar to the black one we did not long ago
I wonder if they will eventually make these portal axles for WK2 and 4Runners.
Toyota crowd would buy em up to replace the crappy hub bearings that dont like anything 35"+. Marlin Crawler RCLT IFS kit is bulitproof w Landcruiser steering rack and RCV Axles except for the OEM bearing problem not yet solved. W/ the Marlin IFS kit late model Yoda guys are wheeling 38-40's now but now replacing hub bearings almost every oil change. Maybee 24Weld could figure out a OEM style Yoda unit hub bearing that takes the big wheel weight abuse?? Here in Socal between modded Tacomas and 4R there seems to be alot more Toyota than Jeep out here.
I have a few questions about this, I have an AWD rx350. No lift kit exists specifically for my vehicle and the AWD system doesn’t have a true low range gear set, and also has a safety cut out to disengage the rear axle at 25 mph to protect the transfer case. My first question is, are portals universal to fit just about any vehicle or do they need to be custom built to the make and model of vehicle they will be installed on? My second question is will the gearing in the portals prevent wheel slippage enough to prevent the safety on the transfer case from thinking it is at the disengage speed? Most notably I’ve had that safety engage in the snow when I lost traction, but I can also see it disengaging if I was stuck in mud or sand and needed additional wheel speed to try to rock the vehicle out. My final question is about cost. How much would a set of portals run me? Oh and are they compatible with IFS vehicles? Thanks in advance
I wish I had the $$$ for these bad boys.
Take my money
I HOPE the new steering rack will be compatible with my 2021 Badlands with H.O.S.S 2.0.
We are working on a solution that will allow it to work across all Bronco trim packages, regardless of suspension. Stay tuned and an update video should be coming soon
$25k?!? I can build the gladiator with a 3.5 lift, re-geared and all geometry correction for less than half that. The set up is super cool just out of my price range.
25K😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Y’all are out your minds
Question about warranty issues with this mod. Would Jeep dealerships still warranty the vehicle with those as an upgrade without issues?
Oh that's crazy expensive. Not a Chance
Another of the big problems with the stock Bronco rack & pinion is the rack doesn't have guides for the rack to slide against when there is flex in the system. There is just a weak lip inside the case. The rack just starts chewing up the case and causing it to fall apart. This has been addressed by BroncBuster but it is still a weak point.
Lol, that guy is not answering anything with his band aids. Largest reason why he’s been so popular is because while others have been working on a serious fix, he’s been peddling snake oil. The rack design 74 is offering should fix the actual problem. We’ll see
Bro, where is the shop in Corona? every search shows Texas
How streetable are portal axles
Ive always wondered why we dont see portal axles more.
They need to be about half that price to start making sense
Would this ever work with ifs on Tacoma’s or do I still need the solid front axle conversion?
Yep, Toyotas can play. Contact them and let them know you’re interested.
@@Exodus4x4 thank you for the quick reply I will
Is it true that a portal will offset the smaller size ring and pinion of say a 44 vs a 60 because the reduction is before.
Need for 80 series
are they going to make some for early broncos.. 66 - 77
Will this work if you already have a 4 1/2 inch lift?
It won't be a "game changer" if only a SEMA build would have them. Bronco guys will continue to have to drag that trailing arm mount.
I don't want 40s on my truck. Just 35. Will portals make it look stupid?
For $24,000, I'll bang on the rocks.
20k seems wild
So what’s the price for this setup on a Jeep Wrangler?
Ranger please 🙏 🔥
With 4.56 gears in my Gladiator Diesel (your shop installed) and the 1.22 gear reduction from the Portals, that would be equivalent to 5.56 gearing if my 3rd grade education math is correct.
Yea you’d probably want to go back down (numerically) in ratio if you were to install the portals
$25,000. That's crazy.
How will changes in caster & camber affect handling?
Anyone know when or how I could get the 3.1 FOX suspension used on the Bronco Raptors?
Whats the price? In Europe Tibus portals goes for around 20k a set
Another bought not built thing for all those pretty shiny rigs with all the bilt on’s with no trail damage.
Yall take your lifted stuff off of the road?? 😳 we just lift them to make oil changes easier
25k for a set of portals is a lot more expensive than swapping 60s holy crap
Dear gawd, the cost. I'm good. I could destroy both my axles, buy upgraded aftermarket, pay someone to install and still come out well ahead. These might be fine for a race team getting them for free. This cat has to buy my toys.
For those still complaining about price.... Do some math on how large of a tire one would need to get a true 3.88" axle lift? How much more wear and tear would you get from such large tires? How much stability are you losing with the amount of suspension lift you need to gain 3.88" of axle clearance? How much more fuel are you burning with the extra lift and weight of such large tires?
Guys, check out Werewolf 4x4 if you want to see installation and testing of portal axles
Id like to have them for 93 Toyota
$25,197.00 for 4 inches of lift!!!!!!! I used to cringe at $8k set of 6in portals with 65% reduction on a sxs......perspectives!
Great innovation. Just need to bring the price down
They’re working towards that, while still offering the fully machined options