@@TheTrinityDelusion you say *_"this word became flesh because Jesus consumed it by keeping it."_* This is unbiblical nonsense. You cannot prove that from scripture. You say we should not use our imaginations and then imagine that John tells us how the word became flesh. Your explanation is pure speculation and imagination. The word did not become Jesus flesh. Your explanation is one of carnality. I believe johnspartan98 is bang on. His Biblical evidence for his exegesis is overwhelmingly simple and he puts it in very simple terms without all the philosophical mumbo jumbo and word spinning that you are adding to the text. You are doing exactly what Philo did. In fact, this whole notion about the word becoming the flesh of Jesus comes from Philo and his logos theory. History points to Philo for this heresy. The word of God is God's word. It is His possession and attribute, not a person. I follow truth, not tradition, and you should too.
@@TheTrinityDelusion That's not what he said. He said "egeneto" is elsewhere translated "came to." He pointed to Luke 3:2 where "egeneto" is translated "came to." In addition, he gave several OT scriptures where the Hebrew "way hi" which means the same as the Greek "egeneto" is translated "came to." He proved without a doubt that the word of God "came to" the prophets and it came to Jesus from God, then came to us from God through Jesus. Today we have the word of God in written form. Words have meaning. We receive the word of God by reading the Bible and in doing so it enlightens us and transforms our hearts and minds. It literally comes to dwell in people who hear the Bible being preached and/or study it. You are playing word games or you are not paying close attention to what you read.
This is the best explanation of Jn. 1:14 I’ve ever heard. You are truly blessed brother Kel and you have truly blessed me thanks and may God continue to bless you
Bro Kel I too was a Trinitarian for over 30 years and even went to a prestigious seminary in pursuit of a graduate degree in Christian Apologetics. In 2016 I became a biblical Unitarian. I love listening to you for being an independent thinker. I’m still on the fence on John’s prologue-if “beginning” refers to Christ’s ministry. And your in-depth and careful treatment of the prologue is of a tremendous help in carving out my newfound BU theology. Thanks much!
Life and Beyond Things take time to digest. Jesus taught us that we must forsake everything to follow him. You made a big investment in your degree. The Lord knows what you gave up. They will all be taught by God. Most prestigious degree ever. Set the bar high and rely on God. God bless you.
Hello Life and Beyond Your history is much like mine. After considering my early life, birth to 50, I now realize that I never believed the doctrine of the trinity because I was always trying to justify it in my own mind. I was forever trying to believe it but I had a natural inclination to reject ideas that are nonsense. I had the same experience with other doctrines that I have now resolved by giving them up for sensical answers from the scripture. gene.lanzl@gmail.com
OMG! I have had this image of Jesus growing into the realization of his calling. I often imagine him reading one of the prophesies about him, and it dawning on him that he is the subject of the prophesies. Realizing, "this is about me". Realizing the suffering that lay in store for him, and choosing to honour the call of God out of absolute submission to God and out of pure love for a sinner like me. Than you for this work! May God continue to bless you🙏
"16 And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf." 1 Corinthians 10
The word "word" encompasses many facets of the concept of speech. But none of it shows the word "word" is a person. If we read the introductory comments of John with that of John's purpose for writing this gospel, (John 20:31) it become evident he is introducing us to the one authorized to be the Messiah, the son of God. This is the reason John the baptizer was sent to witness. John 1:6, John 1:32-24. This is in fact the spiritual birth of Jesus as the son of God, THE Messiah, or THE CHRIST. To-day I have become your father. Luke 3:22 New Jerusalem Bible. John 1:49. Jesus would now "represent" God, and speak for God and God did his work through Jesus and so Jesus represents God in the flesh. He has been given the power and authority of God which is God's word and spirit by which he accomplishes his purposes. Isa 55:11. Ps 33:6,9. God and Jesus are one in accomplishing God's purpose and gospel. Just my thoughts, thanks for your research.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Revelation 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:11 “Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.” Revelation 1:17 “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:” Revelation 2:8 “And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;” Revelation 21:6 “And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.” Revelation 22:13 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Jesus is ……. I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end the first and the last the Almighty These are titles that tells us who Jesus is ! Just words ?............. No !
@@michaelm254 The temple of God is Christ. The body of Christ is the church. 2Thessalonians “2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”KJV This is your warning. Believe what you will.
@@driller7714 𐤀𐤕 From Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:13 In the Tanakh……… The 𐤀𐤕 is in Genesis 668 times. In Exodus 651 times. In Leviticus 429 times. In Numbers 439 times. In Deuteronomy 435 times. In Joshua 320 times. In Judges 310 times. In Ruth 39 times. In 1 Samuel 408 times. In 2 Samuel 339 times. In 1 Kings 425 times. In 2 Kings 390 times. In 1 Chronicles 284 times. In 2 Chronicles 367 times. In Ezra 23 times. In Nehemiah 94 times. In Esther 75 times. In Job 30 times. In Psalms 139 times. In Proverbs 25 times. In Ecclesiastes 70 times. In Isaiah 167 times. In Jeremiah 533 times. In Lamentations 6 times. In Ezekiel 387 times. In Daniel 37 times. In Hosea 36 times. In Joel 12 times. In Amos 35 times. In Obadiah 8 times. In Jonah 12 times. In Micah 12 times. In Habakkuk 4 times. In Zephaniah 16 times. In Haggai 9 times. In Zechariah 85 times. In Malachi 19 times. Total of 7326 times in the Scriptures. John 1:1 and 1:14 He is the living Alphabet 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 's Alphabet Isaiah 46:10 “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:” That was in the beginning ……… GENESIS 1: א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ אֵת / 𐤀𐤕 / Alpha and Omega Is in the middle of Genesis 1:1 Hebrew or Greek He is still the First and the Last Revelation 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:11 “Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.” Revelation 1:17 “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:” Revelation 2:8 “And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;” Revelation 21:6 “And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.” Revelation 22:13 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Aleph is Infinite Eternal Omnipotent One who causes to exist Tav is Absolute Enacted Ratified Commissioned To be enforced without compromise Covenant I pray that this is a blessing. Bless you
John Uses Greek Word Linked To Hebrew for Divinity Abiding Hence, the LOGOS, or WORD (God) "dwelt among us" and "we beheld the Glory of the One and Only" God dwelling in Jesus. But the LOGOS does not belong to Jesus (John 14:24), but to the FATHER.Why ? Because it is an indwelling presence distinct from the humanity of Jesus. When John says in 1:14 “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us,” the Greek word for dwelt (to tabernacle) in Greek is skeinei . It derives from the Hebrew mishkhan where shachan as a root means “to dwell." And the root of that word is the same as shekinah -- the divinity abiding at the Temple of Jerusalem. Hence, "dwelt" as John used it meant that God's presence was dwelling in Jesus as God did in the Jerusalem Temple. “The word became flesh and tabernacled among us” (John 1:14) means God dwelt in Jesus (not that Jesus lost any identity as a human being or was God Himself). God thereby took upon Himself human flesh and lived/dwelled on planet earth inside of Jesus. Both apostolic gospels reiterate Jesus's body was the "temple" of God. See John 2:19 (Jesus answered them: "Tear down this Temple, and I will rebuild it in three days"; Matt 26:61 "I am able to destroy the Temple of God and rebuild it in three days"). Each verse implies Jesus' body was the Temple where God dwelled, just as Jesus expressly said so in John 14:24. And as Apostle John wrote in John 1:14. Do you see how just a very slight mistranslation can throw you off?
I don't know about this beginning referring to the time of Christ. I'm trying to make it fit, but it just sounds like in the beginning is referring to Genesis. I don't believe it is teaching that Jesus Christ was there, but it seems like you are trying to make in the beginning refer to Jesus life and it's like trying to fit but not quite.
John doesn't say that The WORD became flesh dwelt among us as a begotten son. But he says "The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us we saw his glory as the glory of begotten son " John's main point is the word lived in Jesus taking Jesus flesh. We saw the glory of the WORD as Jesus's glory. That's the John's main theme in John 1:14
The glory is question is Jesus' execution of the word which he received. His signs revealed that glory. This is actually what he is talking about at John 17:5 as well.
"In the beginning" cannot refer to the new creation, because in this chapter we read very clearly that He came into the world. The same world which created through Him is what He came into (John 1:10). Now we all know that Jesus not came into the new creation, because te new creation did not existed at that time.
into the world. And our modern understanding, since we watched Star Trek, tells us he came to this planet. Is this what this means? Its what we assume, but not what the Jews 2000 years ago (the audience written to by John) in middle east, understood. That is not Johns meaning. But then that scripture tells us we live in a fallen world, and we are "worldly" showing we are caught in the situation this PLANET is caught in. Jesus came into this same situation. A fallen situation, to be its redeemer. To redeem Gods fallen family in its fallen state. It could also be translated "Came into the situation, or Age. Or "this generation." It does not mean Jesus came from a planet or heaven far away into this planet. It means he was sent, and therefore came, from his birth and background and fullness of understanding of Gods plan for him, as the born son of God, from Nazareth where he grew up, also from Bethlehem where he was born thus fulfilling OT scripture. So "in the beginning" does not have to mean the creation of the planet.
first time i've got to view a brand new video around the time you put it out...i've done a lot of catching up. i'm a fairly new to this step into the truth, I've had suspicions, so to speak, that this is ultimately where it was heading. I truly appreciate this message that you are delivering. if there is any available reading you could direct me to would be appreciated. i think i dropped you an email some time back...
@Trinity Delusion I have a question for you. As I am a semi-Arian I hold the belief that Jesus existed as we know him before the foundation of the World at the very beginning of Time. My reading of John 1:1 is that that Beginning refers to the Creation of Jesus. In the Beginning was the Word. In that way I interpret John 8:58 Before Abraham was Ego Eimini to be that Jesus was referring to the fact he helped the Father shape the rest of Creation. Or do you rather believe the Word existed in a different form than Jesus did and only assumed or became the person Jesus when he/it was sent to our world?
You should read these verses to help Enoch 46 1-8 Enoch 47 :3 Enoch 48:2-7 Enoch 49:1-4 Enoch 51:1-5 Enoch 55:1-4 2 esdras 28-29 These verses prove that God our father created Jesus/yeshua before heaven and earth were made. God chose him to be the messiah. God gave him power and authority matthew 28 18 explains that. That's also why jesus(yeshua) does the will of God because jesus/yeshua is God's son. And the reason why jesus says he is the beginning and the end in the book of revelation. He said beginning because he was created by God first so the makes him the first creation. And he said the end because once his one thousand year reign Is over that's the end of the first creation.
Yohanan chapter 1 verse 1 and verse 14 simply declares that ABBA YAHWEH created an Image and likeness of Himself (as He did with the first Adam) whom dwelt among us. Many whom seek to interpret this verse of scripture do so without an attempt to rightly harmonize the words of Truth.
It's an introduction not a prologue. This is where the waters get muddied by definition. Prologue is defined as "an event or act that leads to another." & that is how the first few verses of GJohn 1 are interpreted rather than part and parcel of all that follows.
Just some thoughts that are probably only going to be somewhat related to the content of this video. In the Gnostic understanding, you have the Father/the Ineffable One. He is beyond all comprehension and certainly cannot be encapsulated in a doctrine. This is why many Gnostic groups practiced negative theology. However, he makes Himself as comprehensible as possible to creation through his Word. This is the highest expression of God that can be understood, and yet if one should receive the Word through an experience of gnosis, they'll find that there's no limit to the depths there. You could spend an eternity learning more about the Father and His works. You've previously talked about the relationship between Wisdom, Word, and Spirit, which-to risk paraphrasing-is that Wisdom conceives of Word which is then sent out upon the Spirit. In human terms, you conceive of something, and you then speak it through words upon the breath of your mouth. And so, Wisdom, Word, and Spirit, while closely related, are not exactly the same thing. Jesus is described as all three of these things in the New Testament. It might be useful to parse out Jesus as the Word, Jesus as Lord, and Jesus as the Son of God. He became the Word in the way that you describe in this video, and yet he remains the Word for us-since the time of Jesus, the Word (the perfect expression of God) comes in the form of a person. Therefore, when the apostle Paul comes to express the Word of God, he says "it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." A Son of God is one led by the spirit of God, which seems to me to be the exact same thing as being a Word of God for the reason I explained in my last paragraph-you can't express the Word of God without being a Son of God, and vice versa. Now lordship is something unique to Jesus-we become sons of God who express the Word of God, but we do not become lord like Jesus did. He is lord by virtue of being the firstborn of many brothers, and there can be only one firstborn. Then you have Jesus as messiah and Jesus as propitiation for sin, two things that are themselves inextricably linked with each other, and with Old Covenant Israel. That's when things get more complicated than they already are. Do people really have to understand the depths of Hebrew mythology to understand Jesus' worth to them? I don't think so, and I sincerely hope not. The Gnostic Christians just dispensed with this aspect of Jesus, which I actually think was a good call. I spend most of my time around secular unbelievers, and I often imagine them trying to grasp such theology. Isn't it enough that Jesus is the Word of God? I believe so. I don't believe that God really expects people to grasp the intricacies of Old Covenant Israel two thousand years later. Since the Word of God is a concept that transcends the history of ancient Israel and its related theology, I believe that these two can be spoken of separately. John certainly seems to think so. He doesn't elaborate on any kind of atonement at all. He just says that Jesus is a propitiation for sin, which must mean something quite different to him, given the hostility of Jesus towards the law in his gospel. I don't know, these are just the things that occurred to me as I listened to you. There may be no point in me having written this. Just saying what I feel led to.
Christ Jesus was able to do the will of the Father perfectly because he was the first person to be filled with the Spirit of Christ...God created that body of flesh and blood through the creating power of his spoken Word. The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy. Jesus did the Fathers will perfectly. But the prayer he prayed had to be answered by the father in John 17. It was answered at the resurrection. Jesus prayed "Father glorify thou me with thine own self..." That prayer was answered when that body of the son of God rose from the grave by the power of the Spirit of Christ. The father gave that body the full glory of self. A spiritual body equal to Spirit. Now He could appear and disappear. Jesus Christ is God Almighty. He is the image of the invisible God. He is the fullness of the godhead bodily. He is the manifest Word of God. Now we are the sons of God. The Spirit of Christ can fill us. We live to do the will of the Father and have the ability to overcome sin because of the atonement made for us through the precious blood of Christ. We have the ability to be filled by the Spirit of Christ in the same way as the man Christ Jesus because a new and living way has been made for us through the veil, that is his flesh. The scripture reads "the word was MADE flesh" It didn't become flesh. God manifest himself IN it. God made that body through the creating power of his spoken word and used that body to redeem us. That body of the son of God was given the name of his father. He inherited it. Hebrews 1:4 The name of the Father is Jesus. He is that Christ. Jesus plainly said "if you don't believe that I am He you will die in your sins" John 8:24 Who is speaking? Was the flesh speaking or the Spirit of Christ in Jesus? Jesus said "I do nothing of myself" So when you see Jesus doing anything -- he's not doing it. The Father is doing it and the flesh is obeying. Jesus said "before Abraham was I AM" The Word is speaking! The Word has a name: Jesus. The son that He made declared "Lo, I come in my fathers name" A prince is one who inherits power. Peter preached "They killed the prince of life." Where was the prince's life located? In his blood. The life of all flesh is in the blood. Leviticus 17:14 Who gave him that life? The father. John 5:26. His life is eternal. What rose from the dead is not related to the human family. That body has no blood. That body lives unto God, with the full glory of the Father given to him by inheritance. Jesus Christ; Which is, which was, and which is to come. Jesus Christ God Almighty is coming back for His bride, to present His bride to Himself. Hallelujah to God. May your eyes come open to Christ and him crucified.
@@TheTrinityDelusion That it says whatever belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus. I get how there are problems with the claim, but I really want a video on it. By the way Brother, thank you for what you are doing.
Well you are right about 1 Cor 3:22. God made his son, the man Jesus, the heir of all things and Jesus inherited all things when God gave him all authority in heaven and earth. God set him over all the works of his hands. Jesus inherited his God and Father's estate. See my video - Right Hand of God - Explained ua-cam.com/video/BnWeBhwiRTI/v-deo.html
@@TheTrinityDelusion So let me get this clear. Everything belongs to the Corinthians (church at Corinth) and everything belongs to God. That's how the claim fails? Do you also have a verse that says how everything belongs to God?
Everything belongs to God because he is the Creator. Christ is the heir who inherited all things. Believers are the body of Christ who is the head of the body and they are seated with him in the heavenlies. For that reason, all things are ours.
What really bothers me is it’s hard to fit all the scriptures to prove Jesus is not God, and it’s hard to fit all of the scriptures to prove Jesus Is God. Also it’s hard to fit all the scriptures to prove we don’t need to Observed sabbaths new moons etc. and it’s hard to fit all of scriptures to prove we still need to observe all the laws. Plz help me to pray to God like Daniel did. I believe we’re in this Confusion of face because of are sins. Help me to pray and ask God to Destroy babylon In Jesus Name. I just want to worship God in spirit and truth.
"I just want to worship God in spirit and truth." Then focus on listening to God and being led by Hi Spirit to do whatever He wants you to do rather than trying to put a jigsaw puzzle of verses together. You don't need to. God truly lives in those who love Him and reveals Himself and His wisdom to us by His Spirit.
Hello Soeres Ramadhin. Who are you asking about having a debate? Bro Kel is in a continuous dialog/debate with these video's and our comments. Go here to find his positions on these matters. www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity.html
The Spirit of God is his son. He has several titles in the Old Testament scriptures. He is called the Word of the LORD, he is called the Angel of the LORD, he is called the Name of the LORD. He became flesh and dwelt in the man Jesus of Nazareth. He does everything on behalf of the invisible God which no man has seen...the Father. He was in the burning bush before Moses, He dwelt in the man Jesus until the cross, then he left so Jesus could die. He then resurrected the Christ and dwells in him permanently, he is the firstborn of the new sons of God. YHWH made him to be the Lord, Paul said we no longer know him after the flesh, he is the ascended Christ. Paul said in 2 Cor. 3:17 that "THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT". How clear is that?
Bless you 𐤀𐤕 / אֵת / Aleph Tav / Alpha Omega the first and the last the beginning and the ending From Genesis 1:1 Torah And In the Tanakh……… The 𐤀𐤕 is in Genesis 668 times. In Exodus 651 times. In Leviticus 429 times. In Numbers 439 times. In Deuteronomy 435 times. In Joshua 320 times. In Judges 310 times. In Ruth 39 times. In 1 Samuel 408 times. In 2 Samuel 339 times. In 1 Kings 425 times. In 2 Kings 390 times. In 1 Chronicles 284 times. In 2 Chronicles 367 times. In Ezra 23 times. In Nehemiah 94 times. In Esther 75 times. In Job 30 times. In Psalms 139 times. In Proverbs 25 times. In Ecclesiastes 70 times. In Isaiah 167 times. In Jeremiah 533 times. In Lamentations 6 times. In Ezekiel 387 times. In Daniel 37 times. In Hosea 36 times. In Joel 12 times. In Amos 35 times. In Obadiah 8 times. In Jonah 12 times. In Micah 12 times. In Habakkuk 4 times. In Zephaniah 16 times. In Haggai 9 times. In Zechariah 85 times. In Malachi 19 times. Total of 7326 times in the Scriptures. John 1:1 and 1:14 He is the living Alphabet 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 's Alphabet Isaiah 46:10 “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:” That was in the beginning ……… GENESIS 1: א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ אֵת / 𐤀𐤕 / Alpha and Omega Is in the middle of Genesis 1:1 Hebrew or Greek He is still the First and the Last Revelation 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:11 “Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.” Revelation 1:17 “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:” Revelation 2:8 “And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;” Revelation 21:6 “And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.” Revelation 22:13 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Aleph is Infinite Eternal Omnipotent One who causes to exist Tav is Absolute Enacted Ratified Commissioned To be enforced without compromise Covenant I pray that this is a blessing. bless you All glory to 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏𐤟𐤌𐤔𐤉𐤇 YAHUSHUA haMashiach 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 YHVH 𐤀𐤕 Aleph Tav 𐤀𐤌𐤍 Amein
A Young Christian Theologian’s UA-cam We get his speech! those who didn't, made claims he was making himself out to be God, in return, Jesus charged them with blasphemy.
I didn't use a creed view in itself and Jesus is no idol but is the true and Living God. He is Lord, Savior, Redeemer, King, Judge and worshipped by believers, even the rocks cry out Jesus is Lord and Hebrews 1:6 All the angels worship Him. Also God the Father calls Son God your throne is forever Hebrews 1:8 Please stop the heresies you continually belt out.
What’s wrong with The Word of God that processed from God The Fathers Mouth came into marry because His Word Is Spirit and became Flesh and Dwelt among us? The Word of God that came from His Own Mouth went into marry and conceived and became Son of God because He Came from God The Fathers Mouth and Son of Man because He came from marry?
It don’t make sense how Jesus can be The Only Begotten Son Of God The Father and not have The Same Powers as God The Father. Because if a dad produces a son the son is more then likely going to have a lot of his dads same treats for example if the dad is a really strong guy the son will more then likely be really strong, if the dad is really smart the son is more then likely going to be smart as well. So if God The Father Has Power and can do anything y couldn’t Jesus has at least some of those same Powers, witch would make Him like God The Father and there is no one like or = to God The Father John 5:18. This kind of stuff throws me off as well.
It is very interesting, that the unitarians says, that when Jesus said that "He came forth from the Father and came into the world" - this part of the verse is figurative, but the second part of the same verse: "I leave the world and go to the Father". - this part is literal. Its nonsense. Its like if a preacher say: I came forth from England and came into Scotland and now i leave Scotland and go to England. Now how can sounds that if some would say to him: hey, you just figuratively came from England to Scotland, but we believe that you literally go to England again? :)
DELIGHT ………. Psalms 1:2 “But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.” Psalms 40:8 “I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.” Psalms 119:16 “I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.” Psalms 119:24 “Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counsellors.” Psalms 119:35 “Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.” Psalms 119:47 “And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.” Romans 7:22 “For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:” Romans 7:25 “I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” Numbers 14:8 “If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey.” Question do you …… Delight ? Isaiah 65:12 “Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.” Isaiah 66:4 “I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.” I pray that this is a blessing to you Bless you
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” logos logos G3056 n_ Nom Sg m saying word Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results Result of search for "3056": 3056. logos log'-os from 3004; something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):--account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work. Deuteronomy 8:3 “And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.” Matthew 4:4 “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” Hebrews 12:25 “See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:” Remember ……. " but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.” Bless you
Once eaten Texas Wonder bread becomes crap. Crap like the doctrine that proclaims Jesus was just a prophet on a Godly diet. Before Abraham was, I Am! He (God) made Himself a little lower than the angels and became flesh. The virgin birth, do you deny that also?
Doctrine…………….of God ……..do you keep it ? Or have you blasphemed it ? 1 Timothy 6:1 “Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God And his doctrine be not blasphemed.” 1 Timothy 6:3 “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;” 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. Deuteronomy 32:2 “My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:” Matthew 7:28 “And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:” John 7:16 “Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.” Deuteronomy 32:1 “Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.” Proverbs 4:2 “For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.” Bless you
John1 you say says nothing about God. How about In the beginning was the Word and the Word(Christ) was with God and the Word was was was God. Why undo that Christ is Eternal God and worshipped as God. You start another unbiblical religion.
It depends what you mean. If you mean "did a self conscious person exist before that self conscious person became a man" then NO. But what God has predestined is understood to exist before that predestined thing is fulfilled. Like a painting that already exists in the mind of a painter before he puts the first brush stroke on the canvas. It already existed but in a different way.
I never made a list but if you want to make one there are probably a dozen or two examples in the OT. The quickest way to find examples is to just go look at the first verse of the books of the prophets. Many (not all) read as "and the word of the LORD came to be pros [prophet x]" or something similar. Here is Zechariah 1:1 for example: εγενετο λογος κυριου προς ζαχαριαν
My goodness... you said it in another video... whatever one wants to read in the bible... he finds it... This is ALOT of puzzeling to make your point. Sounds alot like Jehova witnesses which even rewrote some stuff in the bible to make it fit their docterine. I came here by the video about the Holy Spirit not being an apart person but being the Fathers Spirit.. made alot of sense... but this... my oh my.. its way too much word puzzeling to be true.
This teaching then takes The Word was God of John1 and reworks it to mean not God by nature but only Messiah as a creation of God and just Word messenger but cannot agree with you stripping Christ and the Holy Spirit of their Divinity in the Godhead.
Except John 1 says nothing about "God by nature" and whatever else you imagine into the text. Plainly you love your creedal idol more than the truth of the Scriptures.
To the comment calling me delusional. You forgot scripture of Palm Sunday Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey. He as Lord Godman said of praise and worship to Him which the Pharisees tried to stifle that the very rocks even cry out He is God and Messiah. Calling me delusional very false for you have been deluded yourself.
My research has me going with this; in the “Beginning “, it is just saying God did things with the spoken word, and in the beginning words were used for what God wanted made, created, plans etc. Gods words were spoken though profits, Jesus, Angels etc. God spoke and man was created. I think John ( or who wrote John) was just meaning Gods purpose for salvation became flesh and dwelt among us. God spoke to us by his son. The son spoke the words of God. The words from God. So could that just mean in the beginning of Jesus’s ministry ? Just a side note I have found that this said, “the word was a god”, not the word was God. I’m glad your eating, carbs are good for you. 😁. Hope your doing well.
Hello Eli Pratt, I am curious why you thought Brother Kel might be Jehovah's Witness? JW's teach that Jesus is "a god" and is an angel who preexisted his birth.
@@originalhigene Hi Eugene, I am not familiar with all JW beliefs and believed Kel fit a few ,also I once read another commitment on one of Kel's vids where the person put forward the JW idea also, so I just thought I would ask. Actually I was thinking more along the lines of a like reformed JW or a former JW. Brother Kel does not believe in eternal concious torment hell That is a JW belief
John 1:4 says "In *_HIM_* (or it) was life. It doesn't say "in the word which Jesus spoke." That's you're gratuetous twisting of what John 1:4 actually says. How will you escape judgment?
If you like the book of John, my friend, then read---with compre- hension---John20:17; and John10:29; and John14:28...And While we're AT it, read ACTS10:38-40...Then ASK yourself, Who "Anointed" Who with the "Holy Spirit and Power..?"
@@thetrinitysolution9631 Oh, I beg to differ, my friend. It would appear you fail to "See" the significance of this truth. You see, GOD the FATHER does not NEED any "Anointing" of any sort.. HE IS the anoinTER. Furthermore, GOD the FATHER IS the One and Only Holy Spirit---HE sure does not NEED it...HE IS IT, my friend. Oh yes, it is COMPLETELY relevant. Be blessed. Seek Wisdom.
Yes, and if you're honest, you'll admit that you were refuted on that point. The Word became flesh by being born of a virgin. That's not imagination, that's Matthew 1:18-25. In the previous discussion, you accused me of having theological presuppositions. I asked you to define your terms and you never replied. Therefore, I defined them for you and asked if you agreed with the definition and if not, to explain why and you ignored that request as well. You owe it to your sheep to honestly deal with the objections raised against your doctrine so here's the definition again: _A theological presupposition is a theological belief or persuasion that does not derive from a proper application of established principles of biblical hermeneutics but nevertheless is emphatically maintained._ Again, do you agree with that definition? If not, why not?
I didn't say the passage says anything about "coming down from heaven." Numerous other passages speak to that unequivocally and incontrovertibly. Matthew 1:18-25 is about the conception and birth of Jesus who according to John 1:1 was the pre-incarnate Word of God. Let's not put words in each other's mouths, agreed?
This is why discussions with you are such as waste of time. You argue that John 1:1,14 refers to the incarnation of the pre-existent son by citing Matthew 1:18-25. When we get to Matthew 1:18-25 you argue that it means the incarnation of the son based on John 1:1,14. Confirmation bias is a very stupid game to play. All your posts illustrate this is precisely your goal. You really need to learn that you don't want to do that. It completely nullfies every effort at finding truth since you will only find what you want to find. One errant interpretation does not prove another errant interpretation. You must be a Calvinist.
Yes, God's word is the bread of life, and that Word was personal both before and after it became flesh. We know this from John 1:1; _"and the Word was with (προς) God..."_ The preposition προς when used with the verb meaning "to be" (ειμι) always denotes personal relationship. This was explained to you years ago.
No, that is false Trinitarian myth. As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. The word of the Lord came to be pros the prophets. Once that occurred that word was pros the prophet. They weren't talking about a person coming to be with a person. The expression prosopon pros prosopon exists for a reason. It exists because pros itself doesn't express such a thing.
What scripture passage(s) are you referring to? The only reason I ask is that I'd be curious to know whether or not the grammar in the Septuagint and the New Testament differ with respect to προς and ειμι. If it does, that's fine. The Septuagint does not establish word usage for the New Testament any more than Elizabethan English establishes word usage for modern English. But again, just out of curiosity, what passage(s) are you referring to?
There are several. Start at Zechariah 12:1. And eimi doesn't change the meaning of pros. That's an invented myth. Now why did Greeks need the term prosopon pros prosopon?
Zechariah 12:1 Λῆμμα λόγου κυρίου ἐπὶ τὸν Ισραηλ· λέγει κύριος ἐκτείνων οὐρανὸν καὶ θεμελιῶν γῆν καὶ πλάσσων πνεῦμα ἀνθρώπου ἐν αὐτῷ Neither word appears in this passage. Perhaps you meant a different passage? You stated: "And eimi doesn't change the meaning of pros. That's an invented myth." The following is from Danial Wallace's grammar GGBB: Πρός A. Basic Uses (with Accusative almost exclusively) This preposition occurs only once with the genitive and only six times with the dative case, but almost 700 times with the accusative. Our treatment will be restricted thus to the accusative case (for the other cases used, see BAGD’s treatment). Purpose: for, for the purpose of Spatial: toward Temporal: toward, for (duration) Result: so that, with the result that Opposition: against Association: with, in company with (with stative verbs) Notice that last line. Unless you're accusing Danial Wallace of teaching mythology, then ειμι certainly does change the meaning of προς. Why did the Greeks need the phrase prsosopon pros prsosopon? Well, it means face to face. So I guess they needed that phrase for the same reason we need the phrase "face to face." Why? Did you have a different take?
@@thetrinitysolution9631 Zechariah 1:1. Yeah, Wallace can't seem to separate his theological notions from Greek grammar. He does this all over the place. It's irritating. Go and see if you can find Wallace's proof and have fun with that. Zodhiates does the same thing but worse. If pros meant the same thing as prosopon pros prosopon, then the latter would be a useless expression.
Yes, well that's the same reason Richard Dawkins has been giving for the past 10 plus years now for not wanting to debate William Lane Craig. You don't appear to be standing in very good company.
I don't care what Dawkins or Craig does. I can, however, appreciate his point. Craig babbles on without directly addressing the points being made. He just keeps repeating his routine.
Yes. And he will keep repeating it until it's refuted. Dawkins knows he cannot and that's why he won't debate Craig; and everyone knows it. Just like everyone reading this knows why you won't debate me. Not to be abrasive but excuses are readily seen for what they are.
The Gospel of John actually explains HOW the word became flesh. Trinitarians prefer their imaginations and eisegetical practices.
How do I email brother Kel.
@@stainless-life6701 See About at my website for email address. Link to website is on UA-cam channel page,
@@TheTrinityDelusion you say
*_"this word became flesh because Jesus consumed it by keeping it."_*
This is unbiblical nonsense. You cannot prove that from scripture. You say we should not use our imaginations and then imagine that John tells us how the word became flesh. Your explanation is pure speculation and imagination. The word did not become Jesus flesh. Your explanation is one of carnality.
I believe johnspartan98 is bang on. His Biblical evidence for his exegesis is overwhelmingly simple and he puts it in very simple terms without all the philosophical mumbo jumbo and word spinning that you are adding to the text. You are doing exactly what Philo did. In fact, this whole notion about the word becoming the flesh of Jesus comes from Philo and his logos theory. History points to Philo for this heresy.
The word of God is God's word. It is His possession and attribute, not a person.
I follow truth, not tradition, and you should too.
@@johnspartan98 Sorry but egeneto is never going to mean "to come."
@@TheTrinityDelusion That's not what he said. He said "egeneto" is elsewhere translated "came to." He pointed to Luke 3:2 where "egeneto" is translated "came to." In addition, he gave several OT scriptures where the Hebrew "way hi" which means the same as the Greek "egeneto" is translated "came to." He proved without a doubt that the word of God "came to" the prophets and it came to Jesus from God, then came to us from God through Jesus. Today we have the word of God in written form. Words have meaning. We receive the word of God by reading the Bible and in doing so it enlightens us and transforms our hearts and minds. It literally comes to dwell in people who hear the Bible being preached and/or study it.
You are playing word games or you are not paying close attention to what you read.
Avesome. Brother Kel.
So simple and Holy. ❤ ThankYou
This is the best explanation of Jn. 1:14 I’ve ever heard. You are truly blessed brother Kel and you have truly blessed me thanks and may God continue to bless you
Bro Kel
I too was a Trinitarian for over 30 years and even went to a prestigious seminary in pursuit of a graduate degree in Christian Apologetics.
In 2016 I became a biblical Unitarian.
I love listening to you for being an independent thinker.
I’m still on the fence on John’s prologue-if “beginning” refers to Christ’s ministry. And your in-depth and careful treatment of the prologue is of a tremendous help in carving out my newfound BU theology.
Thanks much!
Life and Beyond Things take time to digest. Jesus taught us that we must forsake everything to follow him. You made a big investment in your degree. The Lord knows what you gave up. They will all be taught by God. Most prestigious degree ever. Set the bar high and rely on God. God bless you.
Hello Life and Beyond Your history is much like mine. After considering my early life, birth to 50, I now realize that I never believed the doctrine of the trinity because I was always trying to justify it in my own mind. I was forever trying to believe it but I had a natural inclination to reject ideas that are nonsense. I had the same experience with other doctrines that I have now resolved by giving them up for sensical answers from the scripture. gene.lanzl@gmail.com
Sound biblical teaching! Well explained!
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Blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. ~ Luke 11:28
Thanks Kel. Your work is not done in vain, it brings many blessings. Gods blessings to you.
Thank you for your comment.
God bless you. Your ministry isn't an easy one. There must be a great amount of love that nmotivates you.
Great video, on point as usual. we know you sacrifice time to teach our fathers' word. May the father abide in us all.
Ty for sharing with us ❤
OMG! I have had this image of Jesus growing into the realization of his calling. I often imagine him reading one of the prophesies about him, and it dawning on him that he is the subject of the prophesies. Realizing, "this is about me". Realizing the suffering that lay in store for him, and choosing to honour the call of God out of absolute submission to God and out of pure love for a sinner like me. Than you for this work! May God continue to bless you🙏
"16 And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf." 1 Corinthians 10
Thank you for this, and what a great excuse for Texas Toast!
The word "word" encompasses many facets of the concept of speech. But none of it shows the word "word" is a person.
If we read the introductory comments of John with that of John's purpose for writing this gospel, (John 20:31) it become evident he is introducing us to the one authorized to be the Messiah, the son of God. This is the reason John the baptizer was sent to witness. John 1:6, John 1:32-24.
This is in fact the spiritual birth of Jesus as the son of God, THE Messiah, or THE CHRIST. To-day I have become your father. Luke 3:22 New Jerusalem Bible. John 1:49.
Jesus would now "represent" God, and speak for God and God did his work through Jesus and so Jesus represents God in the flesh. He has been given the power and authority of God which is God's word and spirit by which he accomplishes his purposes. Isa 55:11. Ps 33:6,9. God and Jesus are one in accomplishing God's purpose and gospel.
Just my thoughts, thanks for your research.
Good points.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Revelation 1:8
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:11
“Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:17
“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:”
Revelation 2:8
“And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;”
Revelation 21:6
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.”
Revelation 22:13
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”
Jesus is …….
I am
Alpha and Omega
the beginning and the end
the first and the last
the Almighty
These are titles that tells us who Jesus is !
Just words ?............. No !
@@michaelm254
The temple of God is Christ. The body of Christ is the church.
2Thessalonians “2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”KJV
This is your warning.
Believe what you will.
@@driller7714
𐤀𐤕
From Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:13
In the Tanakh………
The 𐤀𐤕 is in Genesis 668 times.
In Exodus 651 times.
In Leviticus 429 times.
In Numbers 439 times.
In Deuteronomy 435 times.
In Joshua 320 times.
In Judges 310 times.
In Ruth 39 times.
In 1 Samuel 408 times.
In 2 Samuel 339 times.
In 1 Kings 425 times.
In 2 Kings 390 times.
In 1 Chronicles 284 times.
In 2 Chronicles 367 times.
In Ezra 23 times.
In Nehemiah 94 times.
In Esther 75 times.
In Job 30 times.
In Psalms 139 times.
In Proverbs 25 times.
In Ecclesiastes 70 times.
In Isaiah 167 times.
In Jeremiah 533 times.
In Lamentations 6 times.
In Ezekiel 387 times.
In Daniel 37 times.
In Hosea 36 times.
In Joel 12 times.
In Amos 35 times.
In Obadiah 8 times.
In Jonah 12 times.
In Micah 12 times.
In Habakkuk 4 times.
In Zephaniah 16 times.
In Haggai 9 times.
In Zechariah 85 times.
In Malachi 19 times.
Total of 7326 times in the Scriptures.
John 1:1 and 1:14
He is the living Alphabet
𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 's Alphabet
Isaiah 46:10
“Declaring
the end from the beginning,
and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”
That was in the beginning ………
GENESIS 1:
א
בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים,
אֵת
הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ
אֵת / 𐤀𐤕 / Alpha and Omega
Is in the middle of Genesis 1:1
Hebrew or Greek
He is still the
First and the Last
Revelation 1:8
“I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:11
“Saying, I am
Alpha and Omega,
the first and the last:
and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:17
“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am
the first and the last:”
Revelation 2:8
“And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith
the first and the last,
which was dead, and is alive;”
Revelation 21:6
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am
Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.”
Revelation 22:13
“I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.”
Aleph is
Infinite
Eternal
Omnipotent
One who causes to exist
Tav is
Absolute
Enacted
Ratified
Commissioned
To be enforced without compromise
Covenant
I pray that this is a blessing.
Bless you
@@michaelm254
As I said. Believe what you will.
I pray that you heed the warning.
John Uses Greek Word Linked To Hebrew for Divinity Abiding
Hence, the LOGOS, or WORD (God) "dwelt among us" and "we beheld the Glory of the One and Only" God dwelling in Jesus. But the LOGOS does not belong to Jesus (John 14:24), but to the FATHER.Why ? Because it is an indwelling presence distinct from the humanity of Jesus.
When John says in 1:14 “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us,” the Greek word for dwelt (to tabernacle) in Greek is skeinei . It derives from the Hebrew mishkhan where shachan as a root means “to dwell." And the root of that word is the same as shekinah -- the divinity abiding at the Temple of Jerusalem.
Hence, "dwelt" as John used it meant that God's presence was dwelling in Jesus as God did in the Jerusalem Temple. “The word became flesh and tabernacled among us” (John 1:14) means God dwelt in Jesus (not that Jesus lost any identity as a human being or was God Himself). God thereby took upon Himself human flesh and lived/dwelled on planet earth inside of Jesus.
Both apostolic gospels reiterate Jesus's body was the "temple" of God. See John 2:19 (Jesus answered them: "Tear down this Temple, and I will rebuild it in three days"; Matt 26:61 "I am able to destroy the Temple of God and rebuild it in three days"). Each verse implies Jesus' body was the Temple where God dwelled, just as Jesus expressly said so in John 14:24. And as Apostle John wrote in John 1:14.
Do you see how just a very slight mistranslation can throw you off?
I know this is months later but that is good right there.
I don't know about this beginning referring to the time of Christ. I'm trying to make it fit, but it just sounds like in the beginning is referring to Genesis. I don't believe it is teaching that Jesus Christ was there, but it seems like you are trying to make in the beginning refer to Jesus life and it's like trying to fit but not quite.
Thank God the Father for are Lord and King the Christ for all . What Love . Very Good .
John doesn't say that The WORD became flesh dwelt among us as a begotten son. But he says "The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us we saw his glory as the glory of begotten son " John's main point is the word lived in Jesus taking Jesus flesh. We saw the glory of the WORD as Jesus's glory. That's the John's main theme in John 1:14
The glory is question is Jesus' execution of the word which he received. His signs revealed that glory. This is actually what he is talking about at John 17:5 as well.
Very insightfull explanation.
"In the beginning" cannot refer to the new creation, because in this chapter we read very clearly that He came into the world. The same world which created through Him is what He came into (John 1:10). Now we all know that Jesus not came into the new creation, because te new creation did not existed at that time.
into the world. And our modern understanding, since we watched Star Trek, tells us he came to this planet. Is this what this means? Its what we assume, but not what the Jews 2000 years ago (the audience written to by John) in middle east, understood. That is not Johns meaning.
But then that scripture tells us we live in a fallen world, and we are "worldly" showing we are caught in the situation this PLANET is caught in. Jesus came into this same situation. A fallen situation, to be its redeemer. To redeem Gods fallen family in its fallen state. It could also be translated "Came into the situation, or Age. Or "this generation."
It does not mean Jesus came from a planet or heaven far away into this planet. It means he was sent, and therefore came, from his birth and background and fullness of understanding of Gods plan for him, as the born son of God, from Nazareth where he grew up, also from Bethlehem where he was born thus fulfilling OT scripture.
So "in the beginning" does not have to mean the creation of the planet.
I've obtained tremendous insight from your wonderful video. Thanks so much for sharing this truth with us.
first time i've got to view a brand new video around the time you put it out...i've done a lot of catching up. i'm a fairly new to this step into the truth, I've had suspicions, so to speak, that this is ultimately where it was heading. I truly appreciate this message that you are delivering. if there is any available reading you could direct me to would be appreciated. i think i dropped you an email some time back...
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One GOD, One LORD---and One "Begotten Son" OF the FATHER.
Thank you ....sir May our God the father
@Trinity Delusion
I have a question for you. As I am a semi-Arian I hold the belief that Jesus existed as we know him before the foundation of the World at the very beginning of Time. My reading of John 1:1 is that that Beginning refers to the Creation of Jesus. In the Beginning was the Word. In that way I interpret John 8:58 Before Abraham was Ego Eimini to be that Jesus was referring to the fact he helped the Father shape the rest of Creation. Or do you rather believe the Word existed in a different form than Jesus did and only assumed or became the person Jesus when he/it was sent to our world?
Jesus is the Word who became the Son at his birth
You should read these verses to help
Enoch 46 1-8
Enoch 47 :3
Enoch 48:2-7
Enoch 49:1-4
Enoch 51:1-5
Enoch 55:1-4
2 esdras 28-29
These verses prove that God our father created Jesus/yeshua before heaven and earth were made. God chose him to be the messiah. God gave him power and authority matthew 28 18 explains that. That's also why jesus(yeshua) does the will of God because jesus/yeshua is God's son. And the reason why jesus says he is the beginning and the end in the book of revelation. He said beginning because he was created by God first so the makes him the first creation. And he said the end because once his one thousand year reign Is over that's the end of the first creation.
You should do more research on 2 esdras 28-29
Wow what a blessing!!!
Remember there is One Creator, Savior, Redeemer, Lord and King. CHRIST GOD is all of these so is very evidently true God.
awesome
Yohanan chapter 1 verse 1 and verse 14 simply declares that ABBA YAHWEH created an Image and likeness of Himself (as He did with the first Adam) whom dwelt among us. Many whom seek to interpret this verse of scripture do so without an attempt to rightly harmonize the words of Truth.
It's an introduction not a prologue. This is where the waters get muddied by definition. Prologue is defined as "an event or act that leads to another." & that is how the first few verses of GJohn 1 are interpreted rather than part and parcel of all that follows.
32¶But Jesus replied, “I have a kind of food you know nothing about.” so they didnt know about the will of GOD?
Jesus was simply saying that the relationship HE had/has
With his FATHER has yet to be experienced by US...
Just some thoughts that are probably only going to be somewhat related to the content of this video.
In the Gnostic understanding, you have the Father/the Ineffable One. He is beyond all comprehension and certainly cannot be encapsulated in a doctrine. This is why many Gnostic groups practiced negative theology. However, he makes Himself as comprehensible as possible to creation through his Word. This is the highest expression of God that can be understood, and yet if one should receive the Word through an experience of gnosis, they'll find that there's no limit to the depths there. You could spend an eternity learning more about the Father and His works.
You've previously talked about the relationship between Wisdom, Word, and Spirit, which-to risk paraphrasing-is that Wisdom conceives of Word which is then sent out upon the Spirit. In human terms, you conceive of something, and you then speak it through words upon the breath of your mouth. And so, Wisdom, Word, and Spirit, while closely related, are not exactly the same thing. Jesus is described as all three of these things in the New Testament.
It might be useful to parse out Jesus as the Word, Jesus as Lord, and Jesus as the Son of God. He became the Word in the way that you describe in this video, and yet he remains the Word for us-since the time of Jesus, the Word (the perfect expression of God) comes in the form of a person. Therefore, when the apostle Paul comes to express the Word of God, he says "it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." A Son of God is one led by the spirit of God, which seems to me to be the exact same thing as being a Word of God for the reason I explained in my last paragraph-you can't express the Word of God without being a Son of God, and vice versa. Now lordship is something unique to Jesus-we become sons of God who express the Word of God, but we do not become lord like Jesus did. He is lord by virtue of being the firstborn of many brothers, and there can be only one firstborn.
Then you have Jesus as messiah and Jesus as propitiation for sin, two things that are themselves inextricably linked with each other, and with Old Covenant Israel. That's when things get more complicated than they already are. Do people really have to understand the depths of Hebrew mythology to understand Jesus' worth to them? I don't think so, and I sincerely hope not. The Gnostic Christians just dispensed with this aspect of Jesus, which I actually think was a good call. I spend most of my time around secular unbelievers, and I often imagine them trying to grasp such theology. Isn't it enough that Jesus is the Word of God? I believe so. I don't believe that God really expects people to grasp the intricacies of Old Covenant Israel two thousand years later. Since the Word of God is a concept that transcends the history of ancient Israel and its related theology, I believe that these two can be spoken of separately. John certainly seems to think so. He doesn't elaborate on any kind of atonement at all. He just says that Jesus is a propitiation for sin, which must mean something quite different to him, given the hostility of Jesus towards the law in his gospel.
I don't know, these are just the things that occurred to me as I listened to you. There may be no point in me having written this. Just saying what I feel led to.
This was insightful. Thank you.
Christ Jesus was able to do the will of the Father perfectly because he was the first person to be filled with the Spirit of Christ...God created that body of flesh and blood through the creating power of his spoken Word.
The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.
Jesus did the Fathers will perfectly.
But the prayer he prayed had to be answered by the father in John 17.
It was answered at the resurrection.
Jesus prayed "Father glorify thou me with thine own self..."
That prayer was answered when that body of the son of God rose from the grave by the power of the Spirit of Christ.
The father gave that body the full glory of self.
A spiritual body equal to Spirit.
Now He could appear and disappear.
Jesus Christ is God Almighty.
He is the image of the invisible God.
He is the fullness of the godhead bodily.
He is the manifest Word of God.
Now we are the sons of God.
The Spirit of Christ can fill us.
We live to do the will of the Father and have the ability to overcome sin because of the atonement made for us through the precious blood of Christ. We have the ability to be filled by the Spirit of Christ in the same way as the man Christ Jesus because a new and living way has been made for us through the veil, that is his flesh.
The scripture reads "the word was MADE flesh" It didn't become flesh. God manifest himself IN it.
God made that body through the creating power of his spoken word and used that body to redeem us.
That body of the son of God was given the name of his father. He inherited it. Hebrews 1:4
The name of the Father is Jesus.
He is that Christ.
Jesus plainly said "if you don't believe that I am He you will die in your sins" John 8:24
Who is speaking? Was the flesh speaking or the Spirit of Christ in Jesus?
Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"
So when you see Jesus doing anything -- he's not doing it. The Father is doing it and the flesh is obeying.
Jesus said "before Abraham was I AM"
The Word is speaking!
The Word has a name: Jesus.
The son that He made declared "Lo, I come in my fathers name"
A prince is one who inherits power.
Peter preached "They killed the prince of life."
Where was the prince's life located?
In his blood. The life of all flesh is in the blood. Leviticus 17:14
Who gave him that life? The father.
John 5:26. His life is eternal.
What rose from the dead is not related to the human family. That body has no blood.
That body lives unto God, with the full glory of the Father given to him by inheritance.
Jesus Christ; Which is, which was, and which is to come.
Jesus Christ God Almighty is coming back for His bride, to present His bride to Himself.
Hallelujah to God.
May your eyes come open to Christ and him crucified.
I think 1 Cor 3:22 debunks John 16:15 claim, but can you please do a video on John 16:15? As a non-Trinitirian, I sometimes struggle with it.
What is the difficulty exactly?
@@TheTrinityDelusion That it says whatever belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus. I get how there are problems with the claim, but I really want a video on it. By the way Brother, thank you for what you are doing.
Well you are right about 1 Cor 3:22. God made his son, the man Jesus, the heir of all things and Jesus inherited all things when God gave him all authority in heaven and earth. God set him over all the works of his hands. Jesus inherited his God and Father's estate. See my video - Right Hand of God - Explained ua-cam.com/video/BnWeBhwiRTI/v-deo.html
@@TheTrinityDelusion So let me get this clear. Everything belongs to the Corinthians (church at Corinth) and everything belongs to God. That's how the claim fails? Do you also have a verse that says how everything belongs to God?
Everything belongs to God because he is the Creator.
Christ is the heir who inherited all things.
Believers are the body of Christ who is the head of the body and they are seated with him in the heavenlies. For that reason, all things are ours.
Do a video on the Athanasian Creed
look at left column at the bottom. www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity.html
Kel how about a video on the good news of the kingdom what that means.
We will get to that.
That was funny thanks ; )
Do a video on eternal Sonship
The beginning is described in Genesis 1.1
What really bothers me is it’s hard to fit all the scriptures to prove Jesus is not God, and it’s hard to fit all of the scriptures to prove Jesus Is God. Also it’s hard to fit all the scriptures to prove we don’t need to Observed sabbaths new moons etc. and it’s hard to fit all of scriptures to prove we still need to observe all the laws. Plz help me to pray to God like Daniel did. I believe we’re in this Confusion of face because of are sins. Help me to pray and ask God to Destroy babylon In Jesus Name. I just want to worship God in spirit and truth.
"I just want to worship God in spirit and truth."
Then focus on listening to God and being led by Hi Spirit to do whatever He wants you to do rather than trying to put a jigsaw puzzle of verses together. You don't need to. God truly lives in those who love Him and reveals Himself and His wisdom to us by His Spirit.
In Jesus Christ Dwells all the fullness of the godhead body!
RISEN Christ. All the fullness of God dwells in believers too.
The Trinity Delusion so he’s God!
@@josephjones4207 So believers are God too?
The Trinity Delusion no
Jesus does the works of the Father, therefore he must be coequal with the Father
Could be delegation?
YOU are supposed to the works of the Father.
Do a video on Islam and Hinduism!
Are you open to a debate about the nature of Jesus ?
Hello Soeres Ramadhin. Who are you asking about having a debate? Bro Kel is in a continuous dialog/debate with these video's and our comments. Go here to find his positions on these matters. www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity.html
The Spirit of God is his son. He has several titles in the Old Testament scriptures. He is called the Word of the LORD, he is called the Angel of the LORD, he is called the Name of the LORD. He became flesh and dwelt in the man Jesus of Nazareth. He does everything on behalf of the invisible God which no man has seen...the Father. He was in the burning bush before Moses, He dwelt in the man Jesus until the cross, then he left so Jesus could die. He then resurrected the Christ and dwells in him permanently, he is the firstborn of the new sons of God. YHWH made him to be the Lord, Paul said we no longer know him after the flesh, he is the ascended Christ. Paul said in 2 Cor. 3:17 that "THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT". How clear is that?
Bless you
𐤀𐤕 / אֵת / Aleph Tav / Alpha Omega
the first and the last
the beginning and the ending
From Genesis 1:1 Torah
And In the Tanakh………
The 𐤀𐤕 is in Genesis 668 times.
In Exodus 651 times.
In Leviticus 429 times.
In Numbers 439 times.
In Deuteronomy 435 times.
In Joshua 320 times.
In Judges 310 times.
In Ruth 39 times.
In 1 Samuel 408 times.
In 2 Samuel 339 times.
In 1 Kings 425 times.
In 2 Kings 390 times.
In 1 Chronicles 284 times.
In 2 Chronicles 367 times.
In Ezra 23 times.
In Nehemiah 94 times.
In Esther 75 times.
In Job 30 times.
In Psalms 139 times.
In Proverbs 25 times.
In Ecclesiastes 70 times.
In Isaiah 167 times.
In Jeremiah 533 times.
In Lamentations 6 times.
In Ezekiel 387 times.
In Daniel 37 times.
In Hosea 36 times.
In Joel 12 times.
In Amos 35 times.
In Obadiah 8 times.
In Jonah 12 times.
In Micah 12 times.
In Habakkuk 4 times.
In Zephaniah 16 times.
In Haggai 9 times.
In Zechariah 85 times.
In Malachi 19 times.
Total of 7326 times in the Scriptures.
John 1:1 and 1:14
He is the living Alphabet
𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 's Alphabet
Isaiah 46:10
“Declaring
the end from the beginning,
and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”
That was in the beginning ………
GENESIS 1:
א
בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים,
אֵת
הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ
אֵת / 𐤀𐤕 / Alpha and Omega
Is in the middle of Genesis 1:1
Hebrew or Greek
He is still the
First and the Last
Revelation 1:8
“I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:11
“Saying,
I am
Alpha and Omega,
the first and the last:
and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:17
“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not;
I am
the first and the last:”
Revelation 2:8
“And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith
the first and the last,
which was dead, and is alive;”
Revelation 21:6
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am
Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.”
Revelation 22:13
“I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end,
the
first and the last.”
Aleph is
Infinite
Eternal
Omnipotent
One who causes to exist
Tav is
Absolute
Enacted
Ratified
Commissioned
To be enforced without compromise
Covenant
I pray that this is a blessing.
bless you
All glory to
𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏𐤟𐤌𐤔𐤉𐤇 YAHUSHUA haMashiach
𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 YHVH
𐤀𐤕 Aleph Tav
𐤀𐤌𐤍 Amein
What caused you to believe Jesus is not God
facts
Because He is of God .
Acts 10 : 38 we know God was with him . The Bible tell us so O . K .
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We get his speech! those who didn't, made claims he was making himself out to be God, in return, Jesus charged them with blasphemy.
What caused you to believe that Jesus is God?
I didn't use a creed view in itself and Jesus is no idol but is the true and Living God. He is Lord, Savior, Redeemer, King, Judge and worshipped by believers, even the rocks cry out Jesus is Lord and Hebrews 1:6 All the angels worship Him. Also God the Father calls Son God your throne is forever Hebrews 1:8 Please stop the heresies you continually belt out.
No sorry, it is HIS God who is the only God. No rocks cry out that Jesus is God. That was your own fantasies again.
So are you humble
What’s wrong with The Word of God that processed from God The Fathers Mouth came into marry because His Word Is Spirit and became Flesh and Dwelt among us? The Word of God that came from His Own Mouth went into marry and conceived and became Son of God because He Came from God The Fathers Mouth and Son of Man because He came from marry?
It don’t make sense how Jesus can be The Only Begotten Son Of God The Father and not have The Same Powers as God The Father. Because if a dad produces a son the son is more then likely going to have a lot of his dads same treats for example if the dad is a really strong guy the son will more then likely be really strong, if the dad is really smart the son is more then likely going to be smart as well. So if God The Father Has Power and can do anything y couldn’t Jesus has at least some of those same Powers, witch would make Him like God The Father and there is no one like or = to God The Father John 5:18. This kind of stuff throws me off as well.
It is very interesting, that the unitarians says, that when Jesus said that "He came forth from the Father and came into the world" - this part of the verse is figurative, but the second part of the same verse: "I leave the world and go to the Father". - this part is literal. Its nonsense. Its like if a preacher say: I came forth from England and came into Scotland and now i leave Scotland and go to England. Now how can sounds that if some would say to him: hey, you just figuratively came from England to Scotland, but we believe that you literally go to England again? :)
Jesus sent his disciples INTO THE WORLD. And your Bible says born anew believers are from God.
Can you explain why John wrote verse 1 a & b in the imperfect tense?
DELIGHT ……….
Psalms 1:2
“But his delight is in the law
of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.”
Psalms 40:8
“I delight to do thy will,
O my God: yea,
thy law is within
my heart.”
Psalms 119:16
“I will delight
myself in thy statutes:
I will not forget thy word.”
Psalms 119:24
“Thy testimonies also are
my delight
and my counsellors.”
Psalms 119:35
“Make me to go in the path
of thy commandments;
for therein do
I delight.”
Psalms 119:47
“And I will delight
myself in thy commandments,
which I have loved.”
Romans 7:22
“For I delight
in the law of God
after the inward man:”
Romans 7:25
“I thank God
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So then with the mind
I myself
serve the law of God;
but with the flesh the law of sin.”
Numbers 14:8
“If the LORD
delight
in us,
then he will bring us into this land,
and give it us;
a land which floweth with milk and honey.”
Question do you …… Delight ?
Isaiah 65:12
“Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake, ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein
I delighted not.”
Isaiah 66:4
“I also will choose their delusions,
and will bring their fears upon them;
because when I called,
none did answer;
when I spake,
they did not hear:
but they did evil before mine eyes,
and chose that in which
I delighted not.”
I pray that this is a blessing to you
Bless you
The imperfect tense simply refers to something which is in the process of occurring in the past.
Who did Moses see in exodus 33? God or an angel?
Moses SAW somebody? What verse do you have in mind?
Exodus 33:20-23
@@mrblack6484 That would be God the Father as our Bibles tell us.
What John 5:37 says though?
@@mrblack6484 Jesus is speaking to first century Jews. They had never heard God's voice. But their forefathers did.
John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
logos logos G3056 n_ Nom Sg m saying word
Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results
Result of search for "3056":
3056. logos log'-os from 3004; something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):--account, cause, communication, X concerning,
doctrine,
fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.
Deuteronomy 8:3
“And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only,
but by every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of
the LORD
doth man live.”
Matthew 4:4
“But he answered and said,
It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth
of God.”
Hebrews 12:25
“See that ye refuse not
him
that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused
him
that spake on earth,
much more shall not we escape,
if we turn away from
him
that speaketh from heaven:”
Remember ……. " but by every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of
the LORD
doth man live.”
Bless you
Once eaten Texas Wonder bread becomes crap. Crap like the doctrine that proclaims Jesus was just a prophet on a Godly diet. Before Abraham was, I Am! He (God) made Himself a little lower than the angels and became flesh. The virgin birth, do you deny that also?
Doctrine…………….of God ……..do you keep it ?
Or have you blasphemed it ?
1 Timothy 6:1
“Let as many servants as are under
the yoke
count their own masters worthy of all honour,
that the name of God
And
his
doctrine
be not blasphemed.”
1 Timothy 6:3
“If any man teach otherwise,
and consent not to wholesome words,
even the words
of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and to the
doctrine
which is according to godliness;”
4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Deuteronomy 32:2
“My doctrine
shall drop as the rain,
my speech shall distil as the dew,
as the small rain upon the tender herb,
and as the showers upon the grass:”
Matthew 7:28
“And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended
these sayings,
the people were astonished
at his doctrine:”
John 7:16
“Jesus answered them, and said,
My doctrine
is not mine,
but his that sent me.”
Deuteronomy 32:1
“Give ear, O ye heavens,
and I will speak;
and hear,
O earth,
the words of my mouth.”
Proverbs 4:2
“For I give you
good doctrine,
forsake ye not
my law.”
Bless you
Please explain
Greg Lance please answer the questions.
Bless you
John1 you say says nothing about God. How about In the beginning was the Word and the Word(Christ) was with God and the Word was was was God. Why undo that Christ is Eternal God and worshipped as God. You start another unbiblical religion.
Did Jesus exist before being born in Mary?
It depends what you mean. If you mean "did a self conscious person exist before that self conscious person became a man" then NO. But what God has predestined is understood to exist before that predestined thing is fulfilled. Like a painting that already exists in the mind of a painter before he puts the first brush stroke on the canvas. It already existed but in a different way.
The Trinity Delusion why not
The Trinity Delusion why can’t jesus be eternal
You have to have a factual reason to believe that he is.
The Trinity Delusion he created the universe
Can you cite the specifics of PROS and the prophets in the OT?
I never made a list but if you want to make one there are probably a dozen or two examples in the OT. The quickest way to find examples is to just go look at the first verse of the books of the prophets. Many (not all) read as "and the word of the LORD came to be pros [prophet x]" or something similar. Here is Zechariah 1:1 for example: εγενετο λογος κυριου προς ζαχαριαν
My goodness... you said it in another video... whatever one wants to read in the bible... he finds it...
This is ALOT of puzzeling to make your point. Sounds alot like Jehova witnesses which even rewrote some stuff in the bible to make it fit their docterine.
I came here by the video about the Holy Spirit not being an apart person but being the Fathers Spirit.. made alot of sense... but this... my oh my.. its way too much word puzzeling to be true.
His name means Yah's Salvation. Names hold a lot of meaning even today. Just not in America.
Job 38 :7
This teaching then takes The Word was God of John1 and reworks it to mean not God by nature but only Messiah as a creation of God and just Word messenger but cannot agree with you stripping Christ and the Holy Spirit of their Divinity in the Godhead.
Except John 1 says nothing about "God by nature" and whatever else you imagine into the text. Plainly you love your creedal idol more than the truth of the Scriptures.
White bread has no nutrition though. Lol. What is all that butter representing bro?
To the comment calling me delusional. You forgot scripture of Palm Sunday Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey. He as Lord Godman said of praise and worship to Him which the Pharisees tried to stifle that the very rocks even cry out He is God and Messiah. Calling me delusional very false for you have been deluded yourself.
Delusional is right. No rocks crying out that he is God.
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My research has me going with this; in the “Beginning “, it is just saying God did things with the spoken word, and in the beginning words were used for what God wanted made, created, plans etc. Gods words were spoken though profits, Jesus, Angels etc. God spoke and man was created. I think John ( or who wrote John) was just meaning Gods purpose for salvation became flesh and dwelt among us. God spoke to us by his son. The son spoke the words of God. The words from God. So could that just mean in the beginning of Jesus’s ministry ? Just a side note I have found that this said, “the word was a god”, not the word was God. I’m glad your eating, carbs are good for you. 😁. Hope your doing well.
hey kel , so are you a "Jehovahs Witness"?
NO.
Hello Eli Pratt, I am curious why you thought Brother Kel might be Jehovah's Witness? JW's teach that Jesus is "a god" and is an angel who preexisted his birth.
@@originalhigene Hi Eugene, I am not familiar with all JW beliefs and believed Kel fit a few ,also I once read another commitment on one of Kel's vids where the person put forward the JW idea also, so I just thought I would ask. Actually I was thinking more along the lines of a like reformed JW or a former JW. Brother Kel does not believe in eternal concious torment hell That is a JW belief
Hello Eli Pratt. Go here for a statement of his beliefs. www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/topics/credo.html
The Word of God is eternal
Jesus is the incarnate Word of God
Therefore, Jesus is eternal
No.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Is Jesus the Word made flesh?
@@bobpolo2964 If you are asking if John 1:14 means a person came down from heaven and added flesh to himself? NO.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Is Jesus the Word of God?
Yes he is.
John 1:4 says "In *_HIM_* (or it) was life. It doesn't say "in the word which Jesus spoke." That's you're gratuetous twisting of what John 1:4 actually says.
How will you escape judgment?
Go and see the Greek text at John 6:60 to comprehend your folly. There seems to be no end to your confusion.
If you like the book of John, my friend, then read---with compre-
hension---John20:17; and John10:29; and John14:28...And
While we're AT it, read ACTS10:38-40...Then ASK yourself, Who
"Anointed" Who with the "Holy Spirit and Power..?"
@@raygsbrelcik5578 The question of who anointed who with what is irrelevant to the orthodox teaching on the Trinity.
@@thetrinitysolution9631 Oh, I beg to differ, my friend. It would
appear you fail to "See" the significance of this truth. You see,
GOD the FATHER does not NEED any "Anointing" of any sort..
HE IS the anoinTER. Furthermore, GOD the FATHER IS the One
and Only Holy Spirit---HE sure does not NEED it...HE IS IT, my
friend.
Oh yes, it is COMPLETELY relevant.
Be blessed. Seek Wisdom.
@@thetrinitysolution9631 Jesus, on the other hand, NEEDED
the "Spirit of the FATHER" IN him.
Yes, and if you're honest, you'll admit that you were refuted on that point. The Word became flesh by being born of a virgin. That's not imagination, that's Matthew 1:18-25.
In the previous discussion, you accused me of having theological presuppositions. I asked you to define your terms and you never replied. Therefore, I defined them for you and asked if you agreed with the definition and if not, to explain why and you ignored that request as well. You owe it to your sheep to honestly deal with the objections raised against your doctrine so here's the definition again:
_A theological presupposition is a theological belief or persuasion that does not derive from a proper application of established principles of biblical hermeneutics but nevertheless is emphatically maintained._
Again, do you agree with that definition? If not, why not?
Matthew 1:18-25 doesn't say anything about God coming down from heaven to assume human flesh. That's your vain imaginations again.
I didn't say the passage says anything about "coming down from heaven." Numerous other passages speak to that unequivocally and incontrovertibly. Matthew 1:18-25 is about the conception and birth of Jesus who according to John 1:1 was the pre-incarnate Word of God.
Let's not put words in each other's mouths, agreed?
@@thetrinitysolution9631 So your proof here is circular reasoning. Good one.
Please define "circular reasoning" and demonstrate from what I said that I've engaged in such.
This is why discussions with you are such as waste of time. You argue that John 1:1,14 refers to the incarnation of the pre-existent son by citing Matthew 1:18-25. When we get to Matthew 1:18-25 you argue that it means the incarnation of the son based on John 1:1,14. Confirmation bias is a very stupid game to play. All your posts illustrate this is precisely your goal. You really need to learn that you don't want to do that. It completely nullfies every effort at finding truth since you will only find what you want to find. One errant interpretation does not prove another errant interpretation. You must be a Calvinist.
Yes, God's word is the bread of life, and that Word was personal both before and after it became flesh. We know this from John 1:1; _"and the Word was with (προς) God..."_ The preposition προς when used with the verb meaning "to be" (ειμι) always denotes personal relationship. This was explained to you years ago.
No, that is false Trinitarian myth. As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. The word of the Lord came to be pros the prophets. Once that occurred that word was pros the prophet. They weren't talking about a person coming to be with a person. The expression prosopon pros prosopon exists for a reason. It exists because pros itself doesn't express such a thing.
What scripture passage(s) are you referring to? The only reason I ask is that I'd be curious to know whether or not the grammar in the Septuagint and the New Testament differ with respect to προς and ειμι. If it does, that's fine. The Septuagint does not establish word usage for the New Testament any more than Elizabethan English establishes word usage for modern English. But again, just out of curiosity, what passage(s) are you referring to?
There are several. Start at Zechariah 12:1. And eimi doesn't change the meaning of pros. That's an invented myth. Now why did Greeks need the term prosopon pros prosopon?
Zechariah 12:1
Λῆμμα λόγου κυρίου ἐπὶ τὸν Ισραηλ· λέγει κύριος ἐκτείνων οὐρανὸν καὶ θεμελιῶν γῆν καὶ πλάσσων πνεῦμα ἀνθρώπου ἐν αὐτῷ
Neither word appears in this passage. Perhaps you meant a different passage?
You stated: "And eimi doesn't change the meaning of pros. That's an invented myth."
The following is from Danial Wallace's grammar GGBB:
Πρός
A. Basic Uses (with Accusative almost exclusively)
This preposition occurs only once with the genitive and only six times with the dative case, but almost 700 times with the accusative. Our treatment will be restricted thus to the accusative case (for the other cases used, see BAGD’s treatment).
Purpose: for, for the purpose of Spatial: toward
Temporal: toward, for (duration)
Result: so that, with the result that
Opposition: against
Association: with, in company with (with stative verbs)
Notice that last line. Unless you're accusing Danial Wallace of teaching mythology, then ειμι certainly does change the meaning of προς.
Why did the Greeks need the phrase prsosopon pros prsosopon? Well, it means face to face. So I guess they needed that phrase for the same reason we need the phrase "face to face." Why? Did you have a different take?
@@thetrinitysolution9631 Zechariah 1:1. Yeah, Wallace can't seem to separate his theological notions from Greek grammar. He does this all over the place. It's irritating. Go and see if you can find Wallace's proof and have fun with that. Zodhiates does the same thing but worse. If pros meant the same thing as prosopon pros prosopon, then the latter would be a useless expression.
Why don't you and I debate these issues on UA-cam? I think your followers would be interested in hearing that type of exchange. How about it?
Because I don't like wasting my time with those who do nothing but play the Confirmation Bias game. I have already wasted way too much time with you.
Yes, well that's the same reason Richard Dawkins has been giving for the past 10 plus years now for not wanting to debate William Lane Craig. You don't appear to be standing in very good company.
I don't care what Dawkins or Craig does. I can, however, appreciate his point. Craig babbles on without directly addressing the points being made. He just keeps repeating his routine.
Yes. And he will keep repeating it until it's refuted. Dawkins knows he cannot and that's why he won't debate Craig; and everyone knows it. Just like everyone reading this knows why you won't debate me. Not to be abrasive but excuses are readily seen for what they are.
@@thetrinitysolution9631 More Confirmation Bias for yourself eh?