Six minutes in and little to no water is being put on the fire. A great deal of officers/officials having a group huddle, plenty of equipment sitting idle, plenty of ladder truck not set up. This kind of fire fighting drives me nuts. You can clearly see how much the fire has grown, yes but we need to have a meeting to discuss our strategy again before we can put water on the fire. Meanwhile the building is burning down. great job guys.
Firefighting operations had already commenced. Ladders are not used in the same way as they are in the US. The US probably would have had firefighters walking about on the roof for literally no reason.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder no competent fire officer in the US or any other country would commit personnel to the roof of a building that’s already lost and a structural collapse is imminent. There are certain situations where roof ventilation is appropriate, but this is clearly not one of them.
@@zyglo9826 I would argue that there are no situations in which walking around on a roof doing ventilation is appropriate. If you want to do vertical ventilation like you do (even though I’d suggest it is an outdated technique), then do it from the safety of a ladder with the appropriate SHACS gear being worn?
@@CymruEmergencyResponderI would agree that you have a valid point, that ventilation should be done from a ladder when possible. What do you mean by SHACS gear? I’m unfamiliar some of your terminology.
Okay rn I am right next to this location and I can’t believe it’s already been 3 years but for the people who were worried it’s all fine now Ofc obviously not all good but it’s getting built back up and the nearby canal is open again
@@yorkshire9998 So if R2 was turned out as a pumping appliance, both of the firefighters on R4 would go onto R2 and leave the van at station. The van passenger would act as the 2nd BA, and the driver would act as BAECO!
@@firecatchesuk ahhh ok! Never knew they did that because West Yorkshire just do 4 on TRU regardless (unless the Prime mover with TRU support equipment goes) Thanks for the information! Very interesting to find out!
I’m in the US and it’s so interesting to learn about UK procedures. So different. The objective is the same but the means of accomplishing it is different.
It was an ambulance crew talking to the fire and police senior officers. They were probably discussing whether additional medics needed to be brought in and whether hospitals needed to be put on alert. Any serious incident needs a lot of planning, for example fire engines will be brought in from a wide area, to deal with calls that may arise. If a house catches on fire somewhere in the area, you can't just say, "We are busy at the moment, call us tomorrow".
@@wilsjaneis there a prearranged plan for units to respond from distant locations to cover empty stations during a major incident? And for neighboring fire agencies to assist with additional resources? Here in the US that’s called a “mutual aid plan”.
@@zyglo9826A similar system is used here in the UK. Every county has it's own fire department, so most standby moves are made within the county. Most stations have 2 trucks, but depending on the type of call, sometimes only one will respond. If both are dispatched and the call is minor or a false alarm, the second truck will report 'mobile and available', it can then be redirected before it returns to base. In some situations, particularly during heavy traffic periods, one truck is dispatched from two stations, but this depends on distance. Systems do exist for standy moves across counties in event of a serious incident. UK building regulations, particularly the ban on roof lofts running between houses and apartments, along with hollow walls not running between floors, prevents the type of fires that we see in other countries. It is not uncommon for a night shift not to receive a single call, sometimes for an entire series of five night shifts. During the day, one truck from the station will often go out on inspections, mainly public buildings and houses in high social risk areas. Some counties will also fit domestic smoke alarms for elderly and vulnerable residents. Throughout the day, these trucks remain available to immediately respond to a call.
@@zyglo9826 There are arrangements in place which are well documented and rehearsed. Bordering agencies will assist and send resources to help deal with the incident. For example the NHS can use a major incident standby to start making specialist resources available in local hospitals etc. before a major incident is even declared. Interestingly you saw a meeting between the incident commanders of respective services in this video - using JESIP principles to work together and agree on the best approach to the situation
its because sometimes especially with huge fire like this one where the building is fully engulfed and has already started to collapse its more better to let it burn its self out while containing it and stop it spreading to nearby building as with a fire like this to try put it out would mean a lot of hoses and the more hoses connected to the hydrants you have the lesser the pressure through the hoses you have just like in your house if you turn your shower on then turn a tap on youl see a reduction in the water coming out of your shower same thing with hydrants and one question iv heard asked is why dont they then turn up the pumps on the fire engines well even if they turned then up to full power that still wouldnt do much good as they can only draw a certain amount of water out of a hydrant and that water has to be shared between each hose so one way to look at that is if you have two hoses and one litre of water in the main hose comeing from a bucket then have two hoses conected to that one main hose you will only have half a litre going through each hose as that one source is being shared by two
I was watching BBC here in Delaware USA.. is this the fire that your Manchester leaders were yelling at the prime minister at parliament gathering.. complaining fire depths took their time
These euro fire fighters make me laugh. Get the fucking water tower up. So much wasted resource. I feel like no one is in command. Great footage though. I will sub.
Don't believe what I'm seeing why are the firefighters not getting inside to get to the seat of the fire instead of washing it away dread to think of the water damage in all my 30yrs service never would this happen in.my day
I'm given to understand that there was a number of gas bottles in the building along with volatile chemicals, given that everyone was out they went defensive rather than unnecessarily risking firefighters lives
The reason for pump 18 alert in the evening and not in the day is most likely because after 6 pm is lots of on call personal available The good thing whit that 🔥 not faraway from there are 23 heavy pumps stationed #Whaley 🌉
Spaß Trompete ..... Greater Manchester Fire & Rescue Service has no on-call firefighters - or very few of them. Neighbouring brigades do, but not sure if they responded to this fire. After all, I didn’t see any on this video. And I think the “heavy pumps” you refer to are the central government-owned high volume pumps tackling the dam incident in Whaley Bridge. Once deployed, it would be a logistical nightmare for any of them to pack up and redeploy at this fire. Were a HVP be required at this incident it would come from elsewhere.
on call or retained as they are properly called are on 24hr standby just like the rnli or mountain rescue they all have proper jobs but will leave that job if they are called out and will be called out both day and night 365 days a year
shaun parkinson yes that is correct but most forces like the one I served on will try to avoid call the retaining services before 6pm if it can be help. In this case it seems they had everything sort of under control but decided through the night to get fully on top of it. And in the morning use the full time again to take out the hot spots. The main reason behind is that employees don’t like there staff run of every day there is just so much they accept and to reduce this problems the 6pm rule is in places in most force’s but only if that is possible, if it’s a huge incident and the full time resource are depleted or to many stations are empty yes than retain personal get also called before 6pm to ensure public safety and man a fire station or support directly at the incident the full time personal. This was like that 7 years ago and when I helped by the Moor fire 🔥 most on call staff arrived after 6pm for a few hours and than head back home get a bit of sleep and go to work. So the rule seems to be in place but I can’t tell because I had to leave the force and only can help when mayor incidents happen reason there area I moved to has no retain or community fire station.
@@spatrompete2601 yeah i know alot of employers dont like them leaving there jobs to go on shouts as i know all too well but most are understanding about it
I walked past A few days later it was still smoldering what a waste of a victorian cotton mill i worked there for a few weeks in 1989 one part was a sweat shop owned by Asians! Sad loss of an historic building!!! 😎
True, UK firefighters don’t swagger about trying to look cool in their scruffy uniforms like US firefighters do, and true they don’t spend most of their time destroying the building they’re actually trying to save, and true, they believe that fire’s nemesis is water..... but that doesn’t stop fire departments from every corner of the planet from sending their fire officers to the indisputable finest fire service college on the planet, Morton-in-Marsh, to receive the best fire officer training there is. UK fire services are the finest there is, and there are many videos on UA-cam showing just how “good” US fire departments are!
Six minutes in and little to no water is being put on the fire. A great deal of officers/officials having a group huddle, plenty of equipment sitting idle, plenty of ladder truck not set up. This kind of fire fighting drives me nuts. You can clearly see how much the fire has grown, yes but we need to have a meeting to discuss our strategy again before we can put water on the fire. Meanwhile the building is burning down. great job guys.
Firefighting operations had already commenced. Ladders are not used in the same way as they are in the US. The US probably would have had firefighters walking about on the roof for literally no reason.
Yeah, get them to walk on the roof like the yank firefighters do. Oh, take an axe up and smash a hole in the roof, too.😂
@@CymruEmergencyResponder no competent fire officer in the US or any other country would commit personnel to the roof of a building that’s already lost and a structural collapse is imminent. There are certain situations where roof ventilation is appropriate, but this is clearly not one of them.
@@zyglo9826 I would argue that there are no situations in which walking around on a roof doing ventilation is appropriate. If you want to do vertical ventilation like you do (even though I’d suggest it is an outdated technique), then do it from the safety of a ladder with the appropriate SHACS gear being worn?
@@CymruEmergencyResponderI would agree that you have a valid point, that ventilation should be done from a ladder when possible. What do you mean by SHACS gear? I’m unfamiliar some of your terminology.
Wow terrible fire,hope no one got hurt. We watch Martin Zero in Manchester. Thank you
There was no casualties
Everyone was safe I was there
I have a picture on my phone of this , could see the smoke from a distance , I was quite far away on the other side of Ashton
ah cool to get a UK fire catcher...subbed!!
1:00 what’s that noise . Great vid
bullhorn.
the ghost ! calling victory ! its a haunted building
Okay rn I am right next to this location and I can’t believe it’s already been 3 years but for the people who were worried it’s all fine now Ofc obviously not all good but it’s getting built back up and the nearby canal is open again
Great catches!
I loved the police BMW
15:56 what is a 'collapsure'?
Notice a lot of those pumps arriving later on in the video had 3 people on and R2 had 3 crew members on, any reason for that?
Yeah they were relief crews for the day watch! And when TRU go out, they have 3 people on R2 and 2 on R4, unless R2 goes out as a pump!
@@firecatchesuk so If P1 and R2 went on a job would one person jump from R4 to R2 or how does it work?
@@yorkshire9998 So if R2 was turned out as a pumping appliance, both of the firefighters on R4 would go onto R2 and leave the van at station. The van passenger would act as the 2nd BA, and the driver would act as BAECO!
@@firecatchesuk ahhh ok! Never knew they did that because West Yorkshire just do 4 on TRU regardless (unless the Prime mover with TRU support equipment goes)
Thanks for the information! Very interesting to find out!
I’m in the US and it’s so interesting to learn about UK procedures. So different. The objective is the same but the means of accomplishing it is different.
Brilliant video and on scene footage.
Cheers mate.
Great video , well done on catching so much .
Thanks
@@firecatchesuk Love the two tone
Everyone in the circle talking @ 6:00 are probably talking about tea time or fight the fire.
It was an ambulance crew talking to the fire and police senior officers. They were probably discussing whether additional medics needed to be brought in and whether hospitals needed to be put on alert.
Any serious incident needs a lot of planning, for example fire engines will be brought in from a wide area, to deal with calls that may arise. If a house catches on fire somewhere in the area, you can't just say, "We are busy at the moment, call us tomorrow".
@@wilsjaneis there a prearranged plan for units to respond from distant locations to cover empty stations during a major incident? And for neighboring fire agencies to assist with additional resources? Here in the US that’s called a “mutual aid plan”.
@@zyglo9826A similar system is used here in the UK. Every county has it's own fire department, so most standby moves are made within the county. Most stations have 2 trucks, but depending on the type of call, sometimes only one will respond. If both are dispatched and the call is minor or a false alarm, the second truck will report 'mobile and available', it can then be redirected before it returns to base. In some situations, particularly during heavy traffic periods, one truck is dispatched from two stations, but this depends on distance.
Systems do exist for standy moves across counties in event of a serious incident.
UK building regulations, particularly the ban on roof lofts running between houses and apartments, along with hollow walls not running between floors, prevents the type of fires that we see in other countries.
It is not uncommon for a night shift not to receive a single call, sometimes for an entire series of five night shifts.
During the day, one truck from the station will often go out on inspections, mainly public buildings and houses in high social risk areas. Some counties will also fit domestic smoke alarms for elderly and vulnerable residents.
Throughout the day, these trucks remain available to immediately respond to a call.
@@zyglo9826 There are arrangements in place which are well documented and rehearsed. Bordering agencies will assist and send resources to help deal with the incident. For example the NHS can use a major incident standby to start making specialist resources available in local hospitals etc. before a major incident is even declared. Interestingly you saw a meeting between the incident commanders of respective services in this video - using JESIP principles to work together and agree on the best approach to the situation
FOR GOT THE WATER WILL BE BACK AFTER DINNER AN FILL UP WITH WATER,..
No water in Manchester??
Great video. Liked and subbed.
Thanks :)
Omg the building next to it is my house so lucky I was on holiday
Do they have aerials in that country? Looks more like a controlled burn rather than a firefight.
yes. why would you firefight a building that’s already lost and derelict. we dont have the luxury of having enough water available to do that
Understand. So, it was a controlled burn.@@josh35639
Great video Noah!
Scouser999 Vids Cheers mate.
7.40 is that a Lancashire appliance
7:40
Why are they just watching it burn?
laurence cope there is tons more other firefighters there just the incident commanders, HART leader, Police leader BAECO Etc
its because sometimes especially with huge fire like this one where the building is fully engulfed and has already started to collapse its more better to let it burn its self out while containing it and stop it spreading to nearby building as with a fire like this to try put it out would mean a lot of hoses and the more hoses connected to the hydrants you have the lesser the pressure through the hoses you have just like in your house if you turn your shower on then turn a tap on youl see a reduction in the water coming out of your shower same thing with hydrants and one question iv heard asked is why dont they then turn up the pumps on the fire engines well even if they turned then up to full power that still wouldnt do much good as they can only draw a certain amount of water out of a hydrant and that water has to be shared between each hose so one way to look at that is if you have two hoses and one litre of water in the main hose comeing from a bucket then have two hoses conected to that one main hose you will only have half a litre going through each hose as that one source is being shared by two
If you don’t mind me asking what caused the fire x it’s looking bad xx
He said it was a powder coating shop, so i'm guessing something flammable ignited and the whole place went up.
Action Stations.
was that explosion gas? Or what
awesome footage 👍
Very sad day for us
You did a good job.
My primary is right next to that
@@surothali123 yes I did
Great footage, subbed to this channel ;)
What exactly was this place? Some kind of warehouse by the looks of it?
This was a powder coating shop
yes
a tyer place burned down also
Great video... seems firefighters did a great job
They sure did work hard!
I think more water would help.
Well no shit Sherlock
They had plenty of water the canal is right next to the buildings.
I knew they'd find a use for PCSO's eventuallly, 2 legged roadblocks😀😃😄
I was watching BBC here in Delaware USA.. is this the fire that your Manchester leaders were yelling at the prime minister at parliament gathering.. complaining fire depths took their time
No that probably would have been the tower block of flats fire in London!
@@itswhiteylad8696Grenfell?
amazing footage
Glad you liked it!
@@firecatchesuk
Keep up the great work
My house was so close and my school was next to the fire
Insurance job ?
I live right near that. It was scary
Nice Isuzu d max was it fire and rescue ....
Used to work there😒
endlich mal was los in der stadt 😎
They let it burn because no one was inside . Never mind the people who lost their jobs .
Wow
Uk fire catcher sub
Rip everyone
my house was next to it or near it
and i go to st peters
"Trumpton fire station Captain Flack speaking a fire a real fire well be on our way."
i saw it it was close to us
wht tf they are not fighting the fire X.D.
This is a firefighter work? Mah
These euro fire fighters make me laugh. Get the fucking water tower up. So much wasted resource. I feel like no one is in command. Great footage though. I will sub.
They already have lines on it
and what? piss all the water away on a derelict building that’s already lost? ALPs were also on scene if you actually look
21st Century British Firefighting.
Don't believe what I'm seeing why are the firefighters not getting inside to get to the seat of the fire instead of washing it away dread to think of the water damage in all my 30yrs service never would this happen in.my day
Not much fire "fighting"' going on
Not an aggressive attack.....stop for a bit of tea before we get to it ...what say.
I'm given to understand that there was a number of gas bottles in the building along with volatile chemicals, given that everyone was out they went defensive rather than unnecessarily risking firefighters lives
@@stevenbowers4164 Too right. Yes.
No need to burn the biscuits eh.
@@stevenbowers4164 Some people just won’t listen
Why you brits love Volvo trucks so much? 🤔
i live 5 mins from there
Wich place in Ashton under Lyne???
@@zackchaudry1681 about 2 min from portland basin
How many firemen does it take to tackle a fire?
40. 1 to film and 39 to stand about doing nothing.
Amazing how you know nothing!
call 999 and stay out
Well that should have done global warming a lot of good
Ammo factory,, weapons factory???? A lot of explosive
It started in a Powder Coating works so lots of chemicals - there would also be gas bottles in the building for heating :(
The reason for pump 18 alert in the evening and not in the day is most likely because after 6 pm is lots of on call personal available
The good thing whit that 🔥 not faraway from there are 23 heavy pumps stationed #Whaley 🌉
Spaß Trompete ..... Greater Manchester Fire & Rescue Service has no on-call firefighters - or very few of them. Neighbouring brigades do, but not sure if they responded to this fire. After all, I didn’t see any on this video. And I think the “heavy pumps” you refer to are the central government-owned high volume pumps tackling the dam incident in Whaley Bridge. Once deployed, it would be a logistical nightmare for any of them to pack up and redeploy at this fire. Were a HVP be required at this incident it would come from elsewhere.
on call or retained as they are properly called are on 24hr standby just like the rnli or mountain rescue they all have proper jobs but will leave that job if they are called out and will be called out both day and night 365 days a year
shaun parkinson yes that is correct but most forces like the one I served on will try to avoid call the retaining services before 6pm if it can be help. In this case it seems they had everything sort of under control but decided through the night to get fully on top of it. And in the morning use the full time again to take out the hot spots. The main reason behind is that employees don’t like there staff run of every day there is just so much they accept and to reduce this problems the 6pm rule is in places in most force’s but only if that is possible, if it’s a huge incident and the full time resource are depleted or to many stations are empty yes than retain personal get also called before 6pm to ensure public safety and man a fire station or support directly at the incident the full time personal.
This was like that 7 years ago and when I helped by the Moor fire 🔥 most on call staff arrived after 6pm for a few hours and than head back home get a bit of sleep and go to work. So the rule seems to be in place but I can’t tell because I had to leave the force and only can help when mayor incidents happen reason there area I moved to has no retain or community fire station.
@@spatrompete2601 yeah i know alot of employers dont like them leaving there jobs to go on shouts as i know all too well but most are understanding about it
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Arson
LOL ANI FOOD FIRESTONE
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I walked past A few days later it was still smoldering what a waste of a victorian cotton mill i worked there for a few weeks in 1989 one part was a sweat shop owned by Asians! Sad loss of an historic building!!! 😎
Interesting comment
I'm a fire 🔥 starter 😂
This gives me a new perspective of how good a lot of big city American fire departments really are, compared to foreign agencies.
What do you mean?
What you mean they weren't climbing all over the roof whilst breaking holes in it and smashing all the widows.
Not enough action for you. Truth is, some of the worst fire fighting I've ever seen comes from the US.
@@aflaz171 yeah same
True, UK firefighters don’t swagger about trying to look cool in their scruffy uniforms like US firefighters do, and true they don’t spend most of their time destroying the building they’re actually trying to save, and true, they believe that fire’s nemesis is water..... but that doesn’t stop fire departments from every corner of the planet from sending their fire officers to the indisputable finest fire service college on the planet, Morton-in-Marsh, to receive the best fire officer training there is.
UK fire services are the finest there is, and there are many videos on UA-cam showing just how “good” US fire departments are!
Dicono che ci sia stato un incendio, perché oltre al fumo e ai mezzi di soccorso non si vede nulla. Belle riprese!!! Emozionanti!!!😢👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿
Putting tameside on the map