That was a great explanation. I've worked with modern guns for many years, but because those rarely have set triggers I didn't know how they work. Thanks for the lesson!
I recently retired and am enjoying hobby-time that includes building muzzle loaders. Working on a Traditions Kentucy long rifle (percussion) and appreciate your video that gave me a better understanding of how the set trigger works and how to properly adjust one. Thanks for your time putting the video together and sharing your knowledge.
Excellent tutorial. I sought out an answer to my dbl set problem and found this. Without any modifications to my lock or trigger which was working fine a week earlier. Then I attended a novelty shoot and at my first shot, I set my set trigger & lowered to my target & pulled my firing trigger, and no boom. I used the 'override' method just to get off the range then experimented pulling the set trigger, then the firing trigger & back to the set trigger. Only after that my firing trigger would work. Doesn't answer my own question as to why it happened in the first place. Now with your info here, I can study my problem more in depth (wish me luck). The only thing mentioned that confuses me is in your written promotion, "Makes the flintlock VERY accurate since there is a delay when firing." I thought it was to negate the delay. Making it more immediate rather than a slow or creeping trigger pull.
In my experience with new flintlock shooters it allows them to focus on holding the rifle on target vs their trigger pull (since mine is set to trip with about 6 ounces of pressure). I hope you are able to adjust yours so that it works for you. Glad if this helped you a little.
Nice instructive video! Another topic to cover would be to explain, for muzzleloaders without set triggers, how to reduce heavy trigger pull by weakening the sear spring.
So glad you went into the versions that you have to set the trigger, I have an older CVA Hawkins with that style and after taking it apart I could not find anything at all wrong with it lol I have to say though you need to know this or you can wear a groove into the top hammer pin over time and can be dangerous.
Just watched you Double set trigger video hoping to figure out my problem. I just replaced a broken sear on my Hawken 50 cal. Now I have to pull the set trigger before the hammer will lock in any position. This was not the case prior to the replacement. If I remove the hammer assy it works as designed. Thanks
Did some cap and ball shooting 40 years ago, both pistol and rifle and placed in shooting match first few times out. Never shot with a double trigger and didn't know how they worked. Wanting to try flintlock and now considering getting one with a double trigger, Shot the flintlock once and guess it wasn't setup correctly or ignition hole was dirty and felt like it took forever between flash and fire. Searching for a relatively inexpensive flintlock to start with, Will narrow my search to one with a double trigger thinking I would be happier going that route. Thanks for a great explanation.
There is a delay, which is why so many folks call it a "flinch lock". If you flinch, you'll miss because of the delay. But if it's clean and setup correctly, it is minimal and you get used to it. Lots of fun to shoot.
I just saw the movie Public Enemies and there was a Mauser 98 Sporter rifle with a double set adjustable triggers. I have never seen anything like that before. Thanks for the explanation. 😃
Man Thanks for the information, I thought my old flintlock was out of adjustment. I have to set the trigger before it will cock. I found a rifle with a G.R. Douglas 50 caliber barrel and a Long lock recently. It has the best trigger I've ever pulled on the thing.
Thank you for this video, I'm going try and adjust my new Pedersoli Hawken. I haven't shot it yet, but just checking the triggers once or twice, I'm finding the set trigger insanely hard to pull. Any suggestions?
I have a T/C Hawken Rifle that the front trigger will only work by activating the rear set trigger? I talked to a TC rep back before they sold to S&W. He didn’t give me a viable solution on how to correct the issue
I have a video that MAY help you - ua-cam.com/video/f0fWGj2kt1k/v-deo.htmlsi=m9ALDU1_1L7TQkwR This goes through the two adjustment screws and what will cause this. Most likely your REAR tension screw is too loose. Tighten that, and perhaps adjust the front trigger as well to get the correct tension. I hope this helps.
this is very interesting to be because years ago I made the CVA Hawkins cap and ball 50cal. kit..... it had 2 triggers however the front trigger was the SET trigger...not the back the back trigger was much easier to reach and once the set trigger was set you could adjust the pull of the rear trigger.... this is very strange to me ! I would not like it the way your gun is as the back trigger is far more comfortable to reach.... I wonder if you have it assembled correctly !
Most guns the back trigger is the set trigger, yours was in the minority. If you look at the way they set this up, there is very little space in front of the rear trigger and lots of space in front of the front trigger. That would make your finger more easily fall on the front trigger. It may also be that the length of pull is shorter on this one than yours, again making the front trigger easier to reach. Either way, you can't reverse these as the lock and the trigger setup would only work one way. If you tried to reverse them you would have to have a different lock.
Nice little tutorial on how a set trigger operates. My Owner has a CVA and a Thompson Center Hawkin. The trigger was a snitch smoother on the T/C, the CVA more accurate. Hers are both percussion and we shoot round ball I cast. We use 3F powder for a little more velocity as she is not firing full loads. Have you ever smoothed the trigger so you have a better pull when not using the set feature? Merry Christmas to you and your family. ☃️🎄🎁
The trigger on my CVA is quite slick, so I have not bothered to alter it. I hunt with the front trigger but use the set for target practice and love it. Merry Christmas!
If it looks like someone changed the "hammer", could we assume the breach was also changed; and it was possibly a flint, but yet now a percussion #11???
@Bob-cx4ze I don't know. Some modern reproduction firearms have them. Maybe it's just that most modern shooters aren't familiar with them? I would think if it was liability that the reproductions would stop using them too. Good question. I would be interested to hear other's thoughts.
That's something I would have to look at. Might be out of adjustment, i would look at the adjustments for the triggers and the screw that tensions the spring in the lock.
Gunsamerica.com Gunbroker.com Armslist.com All places you can sell a muzzleloader. Or a garage sale, flea market, or local gunshow if you don't want to deal with the internet and shipping.
I have a repro CVA that has the old style trigger system, where you have to pull the set trigger to go full cock. Looks different inside than that one . 1975-1976 very early for CVA
Good video but not totally correct. Some black powder guns with set triggers use the front trigger as the set trigger. It all depends on the manufacturer and the trigger style. The Thompson Center Patriot is one that comes to mind.
True. I have actually seen one SINGLE set trigger. I guess I should say the vast majority are setup like this. But with most things nothing is absolute.......
That was a great explanation. I've worked with modern guns for many years, but because those rarely have set triggers I didn't know how they work. Thanks for the lesson!
Thank you for teaching us about set triggers and why we should adjust to our liking and use them.
As someone trying to best learn the internal workings of his new Lyman, I really appreciate this video! Thank you!
I recently retired and am enjoying hobby-time that includes building muzzle loaders. Working on a Traditions Kentucy long rifle (percussion) and appreciate your video that gave me a better understanding of how the set trigger works and how to properly adjust one. Thanks for your time putting the video together and sharing your knowledge.
World of Guns' 1874 doesn't show this correctly (from what I can see anyhow) and so this video shows it so much better.
Excellent tutorial. I sought out an answer to my dbl set problem and found this. Without any modifications to my lock or trigger which was working fine a week earlier. Then I attended a novelty shoot and at my first shot, I set my set trigger & lowered to my target & pulled my firing trigger, and no boom. I used the 'override' method just to get off the range then experimented pulling the set trigger, then the firing trigger & back to the set trigger. Only after that my firing trigger would work. Doesn't answer my own question as to why it happened in the first place. Now with your info here, I can study my problem more in depth (wish me luck). The only thing mentioned that confuses me is in your written promotion, "Makes the flintlock VERY accurate since there is a delay when firing." I thought it was to negate the delay. Making it more immediate rather than a slow or creeping trigger pull.
In my experience with new flintlock shooters it allows them to focus on holding the rifle on target vs their trigger pull (since mine is set to trip with about 6 ounces of pressure).
I hope you are able to adjust yours so that it works for you. Glad if this helped you a little.
Tha k you for the 3:00 to 3:20 segment. This is what I was looking for and wondering
This just helped me figure out my antique Wagner from the 1830's-40's, thanks a bunch!
Excellent video on set triggers! 👏 I Thank you !
Nice instructive video! Another topic to cover would be to explain, for muzzleloaders without set triggers, how to reduce heavy trigger pull by weakening the sear spring.
So glad you went into the versions that you have to set the trigger, I have an older CVA Hawkins with that style and after taking it apart I could not find anything at all wrong with it lol
I have to say though you need to know this or you can wear a groove into the top hammer pin over time and can be dangerous.
I learned a lot with this video! Thank you!
This was very informative, thank you
Just watched you Double set trigger video hoping to figure out my problem. I just replaced a broken sear on my Hawken 50 cal. Now I have to pull the set trigger before the hammer will lock in any position. This was not the case prior to the replacement. If I remove the hammer assy it works as designed. Thanks
Great tutorial! Well done, and thank you!
Thanks! Great information!
Did some cap and ball shooting 40 years ago, both pistol and rifle and placed in shooting match first few times out. Never shot with a double trigger and didn't know how they worked. Wanting to try flintlock and now considering getting one with a double trigger, Shot the flintlock once and guess it wasn't setup correctly or ignition hole was dirty and felt like it took forever between flash and fire. Searching for a relatively inexpensive flintlock to start with, Will narrow my search to one with a double trigger thinking I would be happier going that route. Thanks for a great explanation.
There is a delay, which is why so many folks call it a "flinch lock". If you flinch, you'll miss because of the delay. But if it's clean and setup correctly, it is minimal and you get used to it. Lots of fun to shoot.
I just saw the movie Public Enemies and there was a Mauser 98 Sporter rifle with a double set adjustable triggers. I have never seen anything like that before. Thanks for the explanation. 😃
Great video, trying to fix the set trigger on an old Spanish built hawkens.
Man Thanks for the information, I thought my old flintlock was out of adjustment. I have to set the trigger before it will cock. I found a rifle with a G.R. Douglas 50 caliber barrel and a Long lock recently. It has the best trigger I've ever pulled on the thing.
I am editing a video right now on what each adjustment screw does on these locks. Should post in a week or so.
@@murphyfirearmstraining3630 I just broke the screw that compresses the flint. Any idea what I need to do ?
@@robertdodd9623 if the thread is ok on the cock, you can buy a new flint screw. If not, you would have to order a whole new cock (hammer).
Thank you for this video, I'm going try and adjust my new Pedersoli Hawken. I haven't shot it yet, but just checking the triggers once or twice, I'm finding the set trigger insanely hard to pull. Any suggestions?
@joesbarbecue1
The rear screw adjustment can help with that. Sounds like it's too tight, loosen it some and see if that helps.
I have a T/C Hawken Rifle that the front trigger will only work by activating the rear set trigger? I talked to a TC rep back before they sold to S&W. He didn’t give me a viable solution on how to correct the issue
I have a video that MAY help you -
ua-cam.com/video/f0fWGj2kt1k/v-deo.htmlsi=m9ALDU1_1L7TQkwR
This goes through the two adjustment screws and what will cause this. Most likely your REAR tension screw is too loose. Tighten that, and perhaps adjust the front trigger as well to get the correct tension.
I hope this helps.
this is very interesting to be because years ago I made the CVA Hawkins cap and ball 50cal.
kit..... it had 2 triggers however the front trigger was the SET trigger...not the back
the back trigger was much easier to reach and once the set trigger was set you could adjust the pull of the rear trigger.... this is very strange to me ! I would not like it the way your gun is as the back trigger is far more comfortable to reach.... I wonder if you have it assembled correctly !
Most guns the back trigger is the set trigger, yours was in the minority. If you look at the way they set this up, there is very little space in front of the rear trigger and lots of space in front of the front trigger. That would make your finger more easily fall on the front trigger. It may also be that the length of pull is shorter on this one than yours, again making the front trigger easier to reach.
Either way, you can't reverse these as the lock and the trigger setup would only work one way. If you tried to reverse them you would have to have a different lock.
Nice little tutorial on how a set trigger operates. My Owner has a CVA and a Thompson Center Hawkin. The trigger was a snitch smoother on the T/C, the CVA more accurate. Hers are both percussion and we shoot round ball I cast. We use 3F powder for a little more velocity as she is not firing full loads. Have you ever smoothed the trigger so you have a better pull when not using the set feature?
Merry Christmas to you and your family. ☃️🎄🎁
The trigger on my CVA is quite slick, so I have not bothered to alter it. I hunt with the front trigger but use the set for target practice and love it.
Merry Christmas!
I have used set triggers for some time now but never knew exactly how the mechanism works.
Great video
If it looks like someone changed the "hammer", could we assume the breach was also changed; and it was possibly a flint, but yet now a percussion #11???
This is a modern reproduction, it has not been converted. Definitely not an original flintlock.
@murphyfirearmstraining3630 I'm talking about mine, wish I could put a pic. up...
GREAT JOB!!!!!!!
Awesome! Thanks!
I have to wonder why newer guns don't use a set trigger. Liability maybe?
@Bob-cx4ze I don't know. Some modern reproduction firearms have them. Maybe it's just that most modern shooters aren't familiar with them? I would think if it was liability that the reproductions would stop using them too. Good question. I would be interested to hear other's thoughts.
CVA 45cal double triggers rear trigger will not move ??
That's something I would have to look at.
Might be out of adjustment, i would look at the adjustments for the triggers and the screw that tensions the spring in the lock.
THANK YOU!!!!!
Why does my hammer pull so hard and when it cocks it makes a Loud click, why??
The rear trigger acts as a ‘hammer’ to strike the sear and release the cock/hammer when it is set and released by the pull on the front trigger.
I have one 45 cal cap. Where do I go to sell one? Thanks
Gunsamerica.com
Gunbroker.com
Armslist.com
All places you can sell a muzzleloader. Or a garage sale, flea market, or local gunshow if you don't want to deal with the internet and shipping.
@@murphyfirearmstraining3630 Thanks. will check it out.
I have a repro CVA that has the old style trigger system, where you have to pull the set trigger to go full cock. Looks different inside than that one . 1975-1976 very early for CVA
Good video but not totally correct. Some black powder guns with set triggers use the front trigger as the set trigger. It all depends on the manufacturer and the trigger style. The Thompson Center Patriot is one that comes to mind.
True. I have actually seen one SINGLE set trigger. I guess I should say the vast majority are setup like this. But with most things nothing is absolute.......
@@murphyfirearmstraining3630 I have all three.
Super! Merci)))
Nice explanation except no discussion of the fly and it’s purpose.
I didn't get into that in this video, sorry. But I appreciate you watching and the feedback.
Great video
Great vid, thanks.