NIce that Roland has FINALLY released this...I was 15 yrs old when I saw my first Juno 106....it was in a NJ mall and it inspired me to get a few paper routes and dog walking jobs but I never actually got the synth....now yrs later....yeah I'm putting it in the budget!!! :)
this thing has nothing to do with the juno 106/6/60 - absolut nothing. all sounds are emulations from the roland cloud for an 2000$ case modded controller. Roland is screwing you all and everyone is still applauding, respect. roland has become a software seller with zencore. Vintage casemodding and 20 zencore copies the next few years and the fanboys do not notice it.
Let's see if I understand this. This is a pc disguised as a synth because it has piano keys. But the sounds are the exact same you can get from the Roland cloud. So, instead of the original 12-bit sound you still get emulated sounds which are identical to the ones you'd use in your DAW. I'm sure the Juno-X, despite its drawbacks, is still great fun on stage. But I can't see any use for it at home or in a studio.
@@Acrimonious_Snake ZenCore/ABM doesn't emulate the detailed interaction of all the circuits when turning a certain knob. That's why it demands less processing power and leaves more space for stuff like - for example - higher polyphony. That's why a TR-08 or a TR-8 is always better for TR-808 sounds than the 808 kit inside an MC-707.
@@sauermusicDE I had enough time to compare ACB and ABM synth engines in-depth. No difference at all. Both sound extremely well. And you are messing the synthesis and sampling. ZenCore emulations of synths is not the same as making a PCM sample drum kit with it. ZenCore currently doesn't emulate the behaviour of drum modules (while it could, btw), it is just using its generic PCM sampling features. But it does emulate the behaviour of synths such as SH-101 or Juno - and makes it perfectly. ZenCore is a step forward, not backwards. The fact that there are two different alghorhythms to calculate the same process doesn't automatically mean that one approach is inferior to the other.
If we dont support these synths roland will be have to real make analog again. I dont care if it's a reissue or something new. The new minilogue family korgs are amazing
Firmware Update for Jupiter Xm v3.0 has the new Jupiter-X Model Expansion which has the same "SuperSaw" Oscillator. No way this is the SuperSaw from the JP-8000 like it suggests in this video. It is not algorithmic but sample based which you can clearly hear when short notes are getting retriggered fastly after each other (No fuzz, no movement, but exactly same static sound). I am sill waiting for a proper Model Expansion with the algorithmic SuperSaw from the JP8000. Common Roland you can do it, its all digital.
That supersaw has been hiding in the Jupiter X for over 2 years but hardly anyone digged into zencore to find it - so objection and feedback to roland about it was low. At least now they've put it front and centre in the JPX engine... more people will now be outraged by how bad it sounds and complain. Or....maybe it's a 4d chess situation ... They're keeping it bad so they can release a full JP8000 paid expansion module with a proper one.
I have bought a bit of gear from you guys, might come in and have a play with one. Edit I will have to add that some people are upset that you have one to review, given the fact this is bread and butter for you guys, why wouldn't Roland have sent you one? Is Steve still at the Fitzroy store?
Too much bickering about analog vs digital. In a mix or on a stage NO ONE will be able to tell the difference. And if they can, it'll be so subtle that it wouldn't make a difference. Embrace the technology or buy an old heavy synth for double the price and worry about getting it fixed or buy a new one that sounds anywhere from 90-100 percent the same and has firmware updating, a butt load of sounds/work flow options and more than one way to save your music in case something happens to the keyboard (which will also be cheaper to fix if something did happen). Jeez
What people tend to forget is how heavy analogs are and how quickly they can de tune due to ambient temps. I'd hate to be that guy who suddenly was on stage and my 80s synth suddenly developed issues due to lights or w/e and temps suddenly went up. Analogs are cool, but digitals are more versatile in much broader environments. 1 isn't always better than another, it just serves a better purpose imo.
There's a comparison with Mr Tuna, no difference. Although people will still there is! His actually had to go to the workshop after, so yeah... say's it all in favour of the X.
@@vaiman7777 Most people who do complain are the ones that cannot afford or would not buy in the 1st place. I know what Roland are doing and they have paved the way for a very long time in doing so. It's just not for me, but it does not mean what they're doing is not good, they are embracing digital technology and cloud to bring us affordable analog re-creations without the headaches of what analogs can bring.
@@juxty3102 Why are you asking me for? This is what path Roland have chosen and it works. Go buy 4 synths separately then come back and ask the same question. My JD XA was worth the same as this, I would say that this is great value for money.
@@riemac2 i think it is exactly like the other zencore but a newer version of the juno 106 zen core. Its really about what interface to zencore do you like, if youv like the sound of zencore.
Sample Based, it is the same SuperSaw which was reselased for the Jupiter X Model Expansion which was added to the Firmware Update v3.0 (which again is the same as the standard Zen Core SuperSaw.) Meh.
@@danielcraighead6901 i dont see why it is meh? If it sounds good it sounds good, if its the same in a different skin then the right interface is important
@@Fallingoverbackwards It sounds horrific on an A/B test against the real thing. Truely horrific. It phases against itself and has really awful harmonics. The differences are minimises by youtube compression and clever programming but on a big open stabby lead on headphones/monitors - it's unusable. I'm a fan of zencore itself but the supersaw is its achillies heel
From what I hear even the Behringer Deep Mind 12 is more a Juno than this machine....at a lower price.....makes me keeping mine. Roland refuse to do the Korg thing an this costs them customers....I mean an analog Juno....everybody would want one!
Behringer will just give us a better one in ANALOG which is the soul of the Junos in the first place. Soon Behringer will clone the Jupiter and it will be affordable. I'll wait for that.
Wait.. what? It's a VA 😮😥😑. I can't say that I've ever been a fan of sliders. Sounds nice, no sounds that we all haven't heard a million times before though. Looks well built like Rowland do👍
Sorry, I don‘t get the Juno vibe from it, this warm and fuzzy feeling somewhere in my guts. If I want analog, I will buy analog. It may sound very similar on a superficial level, but it feels very different, for me. Lacking a certain something.
Check Mr TUNA's comparison, no difference. They nailed it years ago, so I'm surprised people are surprised. Any differences people 'hear' are rose tinted googles sadly.
You could never tell this and an analog Juno 106 apart if the patches are matched are matched so it's all in your head dude. They sound the same. And the Juno-X has a 'condition' knob to match the drifting and aging of components that older analog gear has.
@@epicon6 I have a Jupiter XM that has the same tech. I also have analog, like e.g. a Roland SE-02. It sounds different, on a subtle but also fundamental level. There are many sounds and applications where it may not matter to you or to me, but sometimes I just want the real thing. Like with certain slightly driven bass sounds.
@@vaiman7777 I‘m just watching, and I have to give kudos to Roland, they did a good ajob. Most of the time they‘re close. Around 6:20 the Juno-X sounds really lame in comparison. High resonance is oftena problem for emulations. It sounds flat here.
@@marcusfreeweb Don't get me wrong, I love my Juno-60, it'll go to my grave with me. But like you I have an Xm, I've dialled the 60 tone in perfect. But.... there's also the disconnected feeling from the actual unit, the smell, the look, the crackles etc etc. But I'd wager 1k nobody could tell in a blind test... me included. I'm really tempted to sell the Xm and get one of these arghh
I love the look of it. It adds some useful extras but it's way overpriced. $2000 is a joke. The 106 is not a difficult synth for any VA to emulate. You can get a Prologue16 for $1600 which has 16 x VCO, VCF, filter drive, better FX, pro keys and probably a better sequencer. JunoX is a toy compared to that. Deepmind12 is also a far superior Juno at only $900. $1000 or so and it's worth considering. Much over that and it's relying only on nostalgia loosening wallets.
Not analog? Not buying it. When will Roland finally realize that their recycled-over-and-over-with-a-different-name DSP technology won't ever cut it at replacing real analog components? Never I guess. Roland can't even clone their own design properly.
Check out the ASM Hydrasynth, it's a digital synth with crazy capabilities. As an analog lover like yourself I bought it and have 0 regrets. It has become my favorite synth.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing ...... but it's time to move on. in the 80s I wan't thinking how great it would be to get some classic sounds from the 50s or even 60s The synth revolution cycle moved quickly through the 80S from DX/JUNO/M1/D50/LINN DRUM/EMU/WAVESTATION/MPC and much more. Now we are stuck 40 years later........
You are making a BIG mistake because the music of the 60 70 and 80's IS the modern music..STOP!!! The attempt to "evolve" have ALL failed with music that is NO music at all like (c)rap (s)hit hop du(m)bstep etc...basically RANDOM NOISE! The ONLY way to Evolve is to look a t the past since is in the past where masterpieces were created , the best nowadays bands are ALL inspired from the belle epoque of the 60's 70's and 80's ..bands like Parcels....Khruangbin...Cannons...Rayowa...Bruno Mars....Greta Van fleet...Tame Impala and many others are almost as good as the great bands of the past because they make REAL Music , the problem is not the old stupid pathetic ridicolous "old vs new" but QUALITY vs QUANTITY and in order to thrive in the long term only quality can be used.
This is another phony Juno nostalgia trick from Roland, no real analogue in here. It has "Zencore" which is more 2 years old, and is in many other Roland products. Just another VA plus piano from RD. Way to pricey
Very strange feeling. It seems like a soviet knockoff of juno 106 ( elektronika em 25) that is similar only in appearance, but totally different in guts. As much as I love juno 106s UI ( one of the best ever, every slider is musical), blunt copy is a bit lazy
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I was already happy with the TAL U-No-LX, imagine getting a machine like this!
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NIce that Roland has FINALLY released this...I was 15 yrs old when I saw my first Juno 106....it was in a NJ mall and it inspired me to get a few paper routes and dog walking jobs but I never actually got the synth....now yrs later....yeah I'm putting it in the budget!!! :)
this thing has nothing to do with the juno 106/6/60 - absolut nothing. all sounds are emulations from the roland cloud for an 2000$ case modded controller. Roland is screwing you all and everyone is still applauding, respect. roland has become a software seller with zencore. Vintage casemodding and 20 zencore copies the next few years and the fanboys do not notice it.
Let's see if I understand this. This is a pc disguised as a synth because it has piano keys. But the sounds are the exact same you can get from the Roland cloud.
So, instead of the original 12-bit sound you still get emulated sounds which are identical to the ones you'd use in your DAW.
I'm sure the Juno-X, despite its drawbacks, is still great fun on stage. But I can't see any use for it at home or in a studio.
I like it so far.
It looks like a pro version of Juno Boutique. Great! I'm loving the design and full-size interface!
Soundwise it is NOT. Unfortunately the Juno-X is not based on ACB.
@@sauermusicDE You are wrong. ZenCore (ABM) engine sound is not any worse than ACB.
@@Acrimonious_Snake ZenCore/ABM doesn't emulate the detailed interaction of all the circuits when turning a certain knob. That's why it demands less processing power and leaves more space for stuff like - for example - higher polyphony. That's why a TR-08 or a TR-8 is always better for TR-808 sounds than the 808 kit inside an MC-707.
@@sauermusicDE I had enough time to compare ACB and ABM synth engines in-depth. No difference at all. Both sound extremely well. And you are messing the synthesis and sampling. ZenCore emulations of synths is not the same as making a PCM sample drum kit with it. ZenCore currently doesn't emulate the behaviour of drum modules (while it could, btw), it is just using its generic PCM sampling features. But it does emulate the behaviour of synths such as SH-101 or Juno - and makes it perfectly. ZenCore is a step forward, not backwards. The fact that there are two different alghorhythms to calculate the same process doesn't automatically mean that one approach is inferior to the other.
A pad-monster that also does a decent piano and rotary org?!! Brilliant demo! Sold!
Glad you guys are doing UA-cam reviews now, brilliant shop!
If we dont support these synths roland will be have to real make analog again. I dont care if it's a reissue or something new. The new minilogue family korgs are amazing
The best thing about the Juno 106 is it's simplicity! This is not simple.
"... same 1:1 knob functions of the 106 ... but - nevertheless - the 106 is simple, this is not simple ..." ... how to square the circle! :-)
I am 100% that sure you can turn off all the extra features and stay in direct front panel mode.
1:10 Mr Fingers - Can You Feel It ! Awesome!
Firmware Update for Jupiter Xm v3.0 has the new Jupiter-X Model Expansion which has the same "SuperSaw" Oscillator.
No way this is the SuperSaw from the JP-8000 like it suggests in this video.
It is not algorithmic but sample based which you can clearly hear when
short notes are getting retriggered fastly after each other (No fuzz, no movement, but exactly same static sound).
I am sill waiting for a proper Model Expansion with the algorithmic SuperSaw from the JP8000.
Common Roland you can do it, its all digital.
That supersaw has been hiding in the Jupiter X for over 2 years but hardly anyone digged into zencore to find it - so objection and feedback to roland about it was low.
At least now they've put it front and centre in the JPX engine... more people will now be outraged by how bad it sounds and complain.
Or....maybe it's a 4d chess situation ... They're keeping it bad so they can release a full JP8000 paid expansion module with a proper one.
Does it has seamless transition feature when changing the sound (like Fantom has) ?
Yip its definitely beautifully priced in todays financial considerations .Think i will stick to software and older synths .
Can you feel it.
Great video. Not sure I'm grabbing one, but I like it
I have bought a bit of gear from you guys, might come in and have a play with one.
Edit I will have to add that some people are upset that you have one to review, given the fact this is bread and butter for you guys, why wouldn't Roland have sent you one?
Is Steve still at the Fitzroy store?
Nice, yes It's definitely worth having a play on, and yes Steve W is still at Fitzroy :)
@@MannysMusic_Online cheers thx, will drop in, it sounds great from demos.
Run a competition to win this bad boy!
Thanks for the demo! Did you like the keybed on the new Juno X? (I wonder how it compares to the Jupiter X keybed mechanically.) Thanks!
How about the top panel sliders, do they transmit controller information or SysEx like on the Juno-106?
Great! 👍
Roland at best
The Juno-X is just a more expensive version of the Fantom 06(minus the recording, sampling & the 5.5" LCD display.) What a joke...
Anyone know if the onboard speakers are "defeatable" (can they be turned off if one wanted to?)
Yes, same with Xm. Menu setting
I like it.
i don't
I neither like it, nor dislike it, as does my wife.
Too much bickering about analog vs digital. In a mix or on a stage NO ONE will be able to tell the difference. And if they can, it'll be so subtle that it wouldn't make a difference. Embrace the technology or buy an old heavy synth for double the price and worry about getting it fixed or buy a new one that sounds anywhere from 90-100 percent the same and has firmware updating, a butt load of sounds/work flow options and more than one way to save your music in case something happens to the keyboard (which will also be cheaper to fix if something did happen). Jeez
What people tend to forget is how heavy analogs are and how quickly they can de tune due to ambient temps.
I'd hate to be that guy who suddenly was on stage and my 80s synth suddenly developed issues due to lights or w/e and temps suddenly went up.
Analogs are cool, but digitals are more versatile in much broader environments.
1 isn't always better than another, it just serves a better purpose imo.
There's a comparison with Mr Tuna, no difference. Although people will still there is! His actually had to go to the workshop after, so yeah... say's it all in favour of the X.
@@vaiman7777 Most people who do complain are the ones that cannot afford or would not buy in the 1st place.
I know what Roland are doing and they have paved the way for a very long time in doing so. It's just not for me, but it does not mean what they're doing is not good, they are embracing digital technology and cloud to bring us affordable analog re-creations without the headaches of what analogs can bring.
@@dankeplace is it really affordable? Are Roland using nostalgia marketing to disguise what is essentially a vst in a box.
@@juxty3102 Why are you asking me for? This is what path Roland have chosen and it works.
Go buy 4 synths separately then come back and ask the same question.
My JD XA was worth the same as this, I would say that this is great value for money.
Please, what are size keys, 13 or 14 cm ?
The super saw is fantastic
I wonder if it is sample based as the other ZenCore Synths?
@@riemac2 i think it is exactly like the other zencore but a newer version of the juno 106 zen core. Its really about what interface to zencore do you like, if youv like the sound of zencore.
Sample Based, it is the same SuperSaw which was reselased for the Jupiter X Model Expansion which was added to the Firmware Update v3.0
(which again is the same as the standard Zen Core SuperSaw.)
Meh.
@@danielcraighead6901 i dont see why it is meh? If it sounds good it sounds good, if its the same in a different skin then the right interface is important
@@Fallingoverbackwards It sounds horrific on an A/B test against the real thing. Truely horrific. It phases against itself and has really awful harmonics. The differences are minimises by youtube compression and clever programming but on a big open stabby lead on headphones/monitors - it's unusable.
I'm a fan of zencore itself but the supersaw is its achillies heel
Hello, can you please take off the side panels and measure the width in mm?
From what I hear even the Behringer Deep Mind 12 is more a Juno than this machine....at a lower price.....makes me keeping mine. Roland refuse to do the Korg thing an this costs them customers....I mean an analog Juno....everybody would want one!
Not everybody, dude.
I want one
Sounds like digital emulation of Juno.
Agreed. It's not analog and I can hear the difference.
Behringer will just give us a better one in ANALOG which is the soul of the Junos in the first place. Soon Behringer will clone the Jupiter and it will be affordable. I'll wait for that.
Wait.. what? It's a VA 😮😥😑. I can't say that I've ever been a fan of sliders. Sounds nice, no sounds that we all haven't heard a million times before though. Looks well built like Rowland do👍
Lets hope it doesn't have the same bad componant as the 106.
Very expensive for a plugin in a keyboard. Has a really, sterile stationary sound. Great video though.
Roland is going to “fall on it’s sword” trying to pass off another digital synth that LOOKS like an old analog. The buying public are not idiots
They sold out 3 times so far in the uk?
Sorry, I don‘t get the Juno vibe from it, this warm and fuzzy feeling somewhere in my guts. If I want analog, I will buy analog. It may sound very similar on a superficial level, but it feels very different, for me. Lacking a certain something.
Check Mr TUNA's comparison, no difference. They nailed it years ago, so I'm surprised people are surprised. Any differences people 'hear' are rose tinted googles sadly.
You could never tell this and an analog Juno 106 apart if the patches are matched are matched so it's all in your head dude. They sound the same. And the Juno-X has a 'condition' knob to match the drifting and aging of components that older analog gear has.
@@epicon6 I have a Jupiter XM that has the same tech. I also have analog, like e.g. a Roland SE-02. It sounds different, on a subtle but also fundamental level. There are many sounds and applications where it may not matter to you or to me, but sometimes I just want the real thing. Like with certain slightly driven bass sounds.
@@vaiman7777 I‘m just watching, and I have to give kudos to Roland, they did a good ajob. Most of the time they‘re close. Around 6:20 the Juno-X sounds really lame in comparison. High resonance is oftena problem for emulations. It sounds flat here.
@@marcusfreeweb Don't get me wrong, I love my Juno-60, it'll go to my grave with me. But like you I have an Xm, I've dialled the 60 tone in perfect. But.... there's also the disconnected feeling from the actual unit, the smell, the look, the crackles etc etc. But I'd wager 1k nobody could tell in a blind test... me included. I'm really tempted to sell the Xm and get one of these arghh
I love the look of it. It adds some useful extras but it's way overpriced. $2000 is a joke. The 106 is not a difficult synth for any VA to emulate. You can get a Prologue16 for $1600 which has 16 x VCO, VCF, filter drive, better FX, pro keys and probably a better sequencer. JunoX is a toy compared to that. Deepmind12 is also a far superior Juno at only $900. $1000 or so and it's worth considering. Much over that and it's relying only on nostalgia loosening wallets.
Not analog? Not buying it. When will Roland finally realize that their recycled-over-and-over-with-a-different-name DSP technology won't ever cut it at replacing real analog components? Never I guess. Roland can't even clone their own design properly.
Check out the ASM Hydrasynth, it's a digital synth with crazy capabilities.
As an analog lover like yourself I bought it and have 0 regrets. It has become my favorite synth.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing ...... but it's time to move on.
in the 80s I wan't thinking how great it would be to get some classic sounds from the 50s or even 60s
The synth revolution cycle moved quickly through the 80S from DX/JUNO/M1/D50/LINN DRUM/EMU/WAVESTATION/MPC and much more.
Now we are stuck 40 years later........
You are making a BIG mistake because the music of the 60 70 and 80's IS the modern music..STOP!!! The attempt to "evolve" have ALL failed with music that is NO music at all like (c)rap (s)hit hop du(m)bstep etc...basically RANDOM NOISE! The ONLY way to Evolve is to look a t the past since is in the past where masterpieces were created , the best nowadays bands are ALL inspired from the belle epoque of the 60's 70's and 80's ..bands like Parcels....Khruangbin...Cannons...Rayowa...Bruno Mars....Greta Van fleet...Tame Impala and many others are almost as good as the great bands of the past because they make REAL Music , the problem is not the old stupid pathetic ridicolous "old vs new" but QUALITY vs QUANTITY and in order to thrive in the long term only quality can be used.
Time to 'move on' to what? Yeah, thats what I thought! 80s still sounds other-worldly and futuristic.
Weird
This is another phony Juno nostalgia trick from Roland, no real analogue in here. It has "Zencore" which is more 2 years old, and is in many other Roland products. Just another VA plus piano from RD. Way to pricey
I wonder if the chips will die on it lol
Very strange feeling. It seems like a soviet knockoff of juno 106 ( elektronika em 25) that is similar only in appearance, but totally different in guts. As much as I love juno 106s UI ( one of the best ever, every slider is musical), blunt copy is a bit lazy
Last sentence: "and it's all digital inside". Aha. No thanks. Bye.
Yawn...