sorry if this video is all over the place. i originally intended it to be like a short 1 minute video to show off "haha spy can make the sniper zoom in! lol!" and end it there, but at the last minute i decided to dig a bit deeper and found other stuff (that the spy can do). this then necessitated i do the complicated explanation of how everything works and here we are. frankly i'm not sure if it's very interesting, but finishing what i started is probably better than just giving up and trashing it. some nerd shit before people point out in the comments: technically the server converts all the netvars it wants to update you on - into binary, to then send to you, so your computer would actually see a bunch of 0s and 1s then have to decode that to accessible information. the spy is technically networked as the spy to both friends and enemies, but with an extra attribute to specify his disguised class, which is why & how cheats can just ignore that and still show a player is a spy deceiving them. so the spy is actually like two distinct models at once. when the spy player model is prompted to perform a certain animation, it also gets passed to the disguise model. the above i felt was way too nitpicky, besides the point of the video and basically impossible to simplistically explain so i didn't include it. for the stuff about the player models, i also didn't want to have to explain the entire system of how tf2 animates models in general with the activities since that's just such a massive massive topic, so this is why i compromised.
5:21 Imagine seeing a friendly soldier with a cowmangler go behind your team to aggressively a-pose with the charging sounds before firing an enemy projectile
@@Ghosty6464 What's being humble have to do with it? The TF2 code is insanely impressive, considering how it's a bunch of ancient code mixed with brand new code and it's still functional.
Honestly, probably not that complicated. It's not like they made it function properly, the view models and animations are absolutely fucked and some things just don't even function very well, they kind of just brute force a class to equip random weapons and then just called it a day.
Honestly from playing on old Saxton Hale randomizer back in the day? Not too bad, for a while I think some of the class/weapon combos just either didn't work or were disabled. So they could just scoot around the problematic ones.
I've always felt that maybe Spy should only lose his disguise if he actually attacks an enemy, not if he just randomly fires. Since they have the whole reloading gimmick, but you basically can't or don't use it most of the time because you need to first empty your revolver and THEN disguise just so you can play a reload animation once that may or may not fool somebody. Now, I think that if Spy could actually fake firing his disguise's weapon in addition to fake reloading it, that would be more useful.
I recall in the xbox 360 console port of TF2, Spy had a bug where he could taunt while disguised. It wasn't very impressive or convincing though, he'd just stand there and say the taunt line.
It would fool people for 1 day then it would become obsolete and only be used while crouching, staring at a wall, and spamming "need a dispenser" line.
@@mothwingy It also doesn't make sense because where the hell did Spy get these props from? And I don't think he's strong enough to make a prop rocket launch straight.
2:24 oh that's amazing. So spy is basically deceiving the client computer of the enemy by tricking them into thinking they're whatever their disguised as. This is getting meta...
No. Read the small text. The server knows that they spy is a spy and what he is doing. He is not deceiving the server or any other players PC. It is the server deceiving the enemy client. (and ofc the spy using the game mechanic) Outside of the game developers, the server is the god of what is real and meaning of life! If the server wants to screw you it dose. If the server loves you it dose. If a cheater joins then it **** the server so hard that the server do not even know anything is wrong. Good cheater it says and carries on.... It is the cheaters that are deceiving bastards and it is up to game devs to make the server know to end the bad relationship and report back to ban the account from joining anymore servers.
@@TheDiner50 Actually, the pinned comment explains that it isn't even the server deceiving the game client. It's your own client deceiving you. Your client knows it's actually an enemy spy, but it just displays it as a disguise to you. It's the reason cheaters can instantly shoot you as a cloaked or disguised spy. The server sends you the real information.
@@TheDiner50 yeah, that's why aimbots know who is a spy or not, also knows where invisible spies are, and why they have 100% crit chance on their melee, because server is omnipotent lmao! In theory.
@@xdeathcon By the way, it may seem stupid to send clients the real info due to the possibility of cheating, but if the server told your client it was a friendly player then your client would think that you can walk through the enemy Spy which would probably cause major prediction errors. Furthermore it would play wrong sound effects when using for example the Disciplinary Action or Crusader's Crossbow.
One time I was playing spy and tried to do that by going into the enemy base's battlements and just staring into my base. Sadly, somehow someone noticed me.
If a server plugin was made that could map animation plays to keys such as primary fire or secondary fire/scope, it would actually make Spy a little more viable. They could actually have a chance to survive aggressive spy checkers (which at this point in TF2 is everyone, since there really is no loss to shooting every teammate you see for the first time)
Seeing that red sniper produce the wrong color dot when scoped in was actually an incredible tell. It would have been super cool if Valve had implemented more ability for the spy to fake behaviors, with similar tells for perceptive players to notice.
@@astroboy512 согласись если бы мы получили эти комманды мы бы могли всех просто обмануть а если бы абсолютно все смогли воспроизводить такие анимации это бы просто сдело вычисление шпиона трудней и интересней
Idea for 3 positives and 2 negatives: + can zoom in + can headshot + zooming in while disguised as sniper will make your disguise zoom in as well - cannot cloak while equipped -there are no random crits, sorry Reply with more stats to add onto this if you wish :)
Your graphics are always so nice and visually explain everything very well. This fact makes me surprised this wasn't ever added as a feature to trick enemy players as the mind games spy mains could do. Of course it would have probably taken a ton of work to add but I do hope if they ever made another TF they do try to add this.
It's actually so fascinating how the Source Engine deals with these things. It's bittersweet to reflect from how much Valve neglects TF2. Spy needs more options like a scoped weapon
In Fatmagic's most recent video, a Spy disguised as a Scout fired a scattergun shot before undisguising and firing his revolver. I was wondering what happened. Was it accidental on his part?
There was a second scout; re-watch that portion frame by frame. I made the same mistake at first. Look at 12:29 of "Stop walking on the stickies" frame by frame.
if you look closey frame by frame there was another scout behind the spy shooting at fatmagic. the disguised spy also was wearing a soda popper. i too was baffled until i looked closer, truly a coincidence.
Idea: Prop Gun Level X Revolver + Primary and alternate fire allow you to fully fake the animations of your disguise’s current weapon (including fake bullets and projectiles). + 10% move speed increase on wearer + 20% damage reduction while disguised + Firing does not break disguise - This weapon deals no damage • The weapon can be tapped or held to accommodate the weapon your disguise is currently holding.
accompanied by the "prop knife" or just a scissors + allows you to fully fake the animations of your disguise's current melee weapon (including whacking sentries or dispensers like an engineer) + swinging it around does not break disguise - cannot backstab - hitting enemy's back only deal mini crit (x1.3)
For anyone who isn't aware, the sniper rifle and flareguns don't have "reload" animations; they just have a pretty long firing animation that plays for quite some time after it has fired. So disguising as a sniper and reloading your revolver won't play an animation of your disguise reloading his rifle.
Honestly actually learning that everything in TF2 is processed as text, sent to your computer *as text* and almost instantly is constructed into a visual state is an astounding showcase of the power of technology.
that's how all multipler games work, you're not streaming screen's content from a server, it's just complex texts of info that the game on your coputer makes sense of and slaps onto ur screen. (66 times per second)
This actually works well for the item idea i had for spy, a new gun idea that looks like a nerf gun with a light on the back, it would do very weak damage, like 50% less, but if used while disguised, doesnt shoot any bullets but doesnt remove disguise, meaning it allows you to fake fire and reload on command, and if you middle click, it acts as the disguises right click, lighting up the guns light to say your doing that action, i feel its an interesting way to spice up spy game play
so what you're saying is the spy could theoretically mimic animations in disguise but as it stands can't? Imagine if they gave the enforcer a right click fake fire action like that...!
3:50 I think this is because Heavy has two animations for using the minigun; the spinning up animation, and the recoil animation, which is just layered on top of the spinning up animation to make it look like Heavy is shooting. Here, Spy's disguise is unable to perform the spinning up animation, causing only the recoil animation to play.
This would be really cool as an actual feature. Have a button that allows the Spy to mimic a class-specific action - on Heavy you'd rev your minigun, as Engie you'd carry a toolbox, Sniper would scope in, and so on. It'd help make disguises a bit more viable.
It makes me think, what if we had a Revolver that was dedicated to mimicking actions, so it would not actually shoot but mimic left click and you could not cloak while using it because right click would mimic right click actions like scoping in. It would have longer holstering time to avoid quick backstabs after mimicking.
The fact that he spends so much effort just to tell us how stuff works, bugs, strats which we probably wouldn't think about it makes him a chad and he deserves tons of respect for that
The minigun shaking is because the rev up is a separate animation from the firing one the heavy firing animation is just two bones at the shoulder moving back and forth to create the illusion of recoil ontop of any other animation you love to see this small dev stuff beeing broken down
The first half explaining the server information finally made me understand why connection issues result in people walking in place, rather than just freezing. The players are in the state of walking, but because of the connection issue my computer doesn't get any new information about their location or if they've stopped walking, so it just keeps playing the walking animation.
Imagine how cool this would be as a concept, obviously downgraded to some compacity. There could be a unique disguise kit that makes cloaking has a 50% additional drain, but if you're disguised as a Heavy or Sniper, Spy can M2 while disguised as those classes to mimic the actions they would do, which would add a whole new way to trick your enemies and going in for a kill on them.
the only thing more fun than playing against a huntswoman sniper is playing against huntswoman spy disguised as your sniper who casually turns around and does a 360, both in damage and in turning angle.
I'm hoping it's something other than M2 since cloaking will be impossible while disguised as the two classes you proposed. Unless if you use console commands to cloak/bring up the dr
@@cocogoatmilkersssss True, maybe move the "secondary" actions the other classes do be M3 like the Medic's shield in MvM? That way Spy will be able to cloak and do the secondary actions the other classes can do with their weapons.
Imagine if Spy can mimic melee swing animations Scoping as sniper Prefire with heavy's minigun This sounds great on paper but overpowered in execution Im thinking now if the devs tried experimenting with it and they never complete this mimic "feature" And they forgotten to disable the reload animation(which can be possible)
Would be cool if they made a 5th item slot of an item that helps give him better acting to play with. A bag-o-tricks with animations to play with for certain classes, and also for some universal ones. For example, reload animations would be easier to do on demand(and even select the reload length depending on some weapons) without needing your revolver to have been shot just first.
I seriously just wish this was true in like, a casual game. Spy's disguises fucking BLOW, partially because it doesn't have enough options to mimic class functions.
3:13 Wait, the sniper dot is blue! Does that mean you could (theoretically) identify a spy sniper who's faking a scope by looking at the colour of their dot?
it ain't going to happen, but spy should be able to get an alternate disguise kid unlock that automaticly moves the cloack button to the special fire and able the spy to imitate every animation without having to equip the weapon with maybey a 20-40 health reduction as a penalty
love how your videos make me think deeper and explain things I would never even think about. Im not sure if you have addressed it or not but I was wondering what is the longest melee weapon? And what is the fastest a character can run? For longest weapon my guess would be either the whip or the skullcutter. The whip because it can hit behind and in front of the soldier. For fastest a baby face blaster scout, drinking crit a cola or a soldier with 1hp, escape plan equipped after blowing a conch would have to be in the top 2. At their top speed would being hit by a soldiers whip make them run even faster? Just a few questions I had and you are the only one I know who would know or could find out. Thanks for doing what you do and sharing it with us:)
Disguise kit/invis watch that makes disguises temporary but lets you fire your weapons without breaking disguises. Maybe only breaks on dealing damage/running out of time? Think about it.
sorry if this video is all over the place. i originally intended it to be like a short 1 minute video to show off "haha spy can make the sniper zoom in! lol!" and end it there, but at the last minute i decided to dig a bit deeper and found other stuff (that the spy can do). this then necessitated i do the complicated explanation of how everything works and here we are. frankly i'm not sure if it's very interesting, but finishing what i started is probably better than just giving up and trashing it.
some nerd shit before people point out in the comments:
technically the server converts all the netvars it wants to update you on - into binary, to then send to you, so your computer would actually see a bunch of 0s and 1s then have to decode that to accessible information.
the spy is technically networked as the spy to both friends and enemies, but with an extra attribute to specify his disguised class, which is why & how cheats can just ignore that and still show a player is a spy deceiving them. so the spy is actually like two distinct models at once. when the spy player model is prompted to perform a certain animation, it also gets passed to the disguise model.
the above i felt was way too nitpicky, besides the point of the video and basically impossible to simplistically explain so i didn't include it. for the stuff about the player models, i also didn't want to have to explain the entire system of how tf2 animates models in general with the activities since that's just such a massive massive topic, so this is why i compromised.
Sus
ur cool
@@hilorobin1204 sus
Sus
Sus
-Have only 5 out of 6 bullets on your revolver
-Disguise as an Engineer with a Widowmaker
-Reload
-Reality as we know it ceases to exist
5:21
Imagine seeing a friendly soldier with a cowmangler go behind your team to aggressively a-pose with the charging sounds before firing an enemy projectile
It comes out of his eyes too
@@D-S-G. Laser eyes
@@TheFrantasticfinally
new mvm bot
@@maestrofeli4259 Wasnt the new mvm bot in 2fort
@@silvergaming3953 nah, that one came out in 2020, that's a 2 year old bot
The Spy class is actually a tower of spaghetti disguised as a frenchman.
Man should’ve been Italian instead, but Valve wasn’t that humble
@@Ghosty6464 What's being humble have to do with it? The TF2 code is insanely impressive, considering how it's a bunch of ancient code mixed with brand new code and it's still functional.
@@HOTD108_ so apparently every project more than 500 lines of code is now "impressive" just because of how awfully designed it is?
@@HOTD108_ It’s a joke about spaghetti code and Italian people. He’s so spaghetti coded he should’ve been Italian. That’s the joke.
@@Ghosty6464 And here I was thinking it's because Italy switched sides during the war.
Brings me to wonder how difficult the tf2 randomizer was to develop.
Probably somewhere between “this can’t ever possibly function” and “the game practically does this already”.
Honestly, probably not that complicated. It's not like they made it function properly, the view models and animations are absolutely fucked and some things just don't even function very well, they kind of just brute force a class to equip random weapons and then just called it a day.
All they really had to do was add the remove disguise behavior to every weapon, time consuming, but not hard
@@PrestaPretzel they did but forgot to do it for the loose Cannon lmao you can shoot it while disguised
Honestly from playing on old Saxton Hale randomizer back in the day?
Not too bad, for a while I think some of the class/weapon combos just either didn't work or were disabled. So they could just scoot around the problematic ones.
4:34 imagine a scout running up to you with a crit-a-cola but instead of drinking it he just starts throwing them at you.
You now are Super Marked For Death.
Kritzkrieg moment
imagine throwing bonk onto your medic before he dies and saving him
Spy would drink it if it was wine flavored
"CRIT-A-COLA!"
" *-450* "
this makes me wish we could do more stuff as spy. actually fake reload animations, taunt, scope in with the sniper rifle, etc.
you actually can fake reload animations if you reload your revolver while in a disguise, a lot of them look buggy tho
I've always felt that maybe Spy should only lose his disguise if he actually attacks an enemy, not if he just randomly fires. Since they have the whole reloading gimmick, but you basically can't or don't use it most of the time because you need to first empty your revolver and THEN disguise just so you can play a reload animation once that may or may not fool somebody. Now, I think that if Spy could actually fake firing his disguise's weapon in addition to fake reloading it, that would be more useful.
@@serioussponge6416 he could do with a suppressed pistol like a welrod which allows him to shoot while disguised in exchange for a damage penalty.
@@badideagenerator2315 You might be onto something here
I recall in the xbox 360 console port of TF2, Spy had a bug where he could taunt while disguised.
It wasn't very impressive or convincing though, he'd just stand there and say the taunt line.
I have been wanting to act out my disguise completely for AGES. The fact that it is technically possible makes me very excited
Revving up with heavy disguise and scoping in with sniper disguise is all I really need
@@he3004 WE CAN USE OUR DISGUISE KIT VERY WELL NOW WOOOOOOO
It should totally be a thing with spy. If you were able to do that I might consider playing spy just for some mindgames.
I also need prolonged reload animation so I can justify why I'm not shooting or jumping
@@moronribbons5774 you can already do that, pick literally any class and walk in suspicious places, run away from your teammates when they see you.
Heavy vibrating his gun when not revved up scares me
Come here doktor~
"There is something in this gun, and it wants human flesh"
hes chilly
It would be cool if a "fake out" key bind existed for Spy to make use of these various animations while disguised.
@@gab936 i say there would be a projectile that deals no damage and dosen't explode so that the solder and demoman look normal
It would fool people for 1 day then it would become obsolete and only be used while crouching, staring at a wall, and spamming "need a dispenser" line.
Would be cool for a week, then everyone would get used to it and adjust their spychecking.
@@mothwingy That would break the game.
@@mothwingy It also doesn't make sense because where the hell did Spy get these props from? And I don't think he's strong enough to make a prop rocket launch straight.
3:52 Heavy fears no man, but whatever you did left him trembling and panicked.
i told him tf2 sex update will never release thats why he is shaking
@@czechcountryball984 i told him the heavy update will never come
@@namingnull NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO k whatever he had one already
Literally shaking
Poor of him bro
2:24 oh that's amazing. So spy is basically deceiving the client computer of the enemy by tricking them into thinking they're whatever their disguised as. This is getting meta...
No. Read the small text. The server knows that they spy is a spy and what he is doing. He is not deceiving the server or any other players PC. It is the server deceiving the enemy client. (and ofc the spy using the game mechanic)
Outside of the game developers, the server is the god of what is real and meaning of life! If the server wants to screw you it dose. If the server loves you it dose. If a cheater joins then it **** the server so hard that the server do not even know anything is wrong. Good cheater it says and carries on.... It is the cheaters that are deceiving bastards and it is up to game devs to make the server know to end the bad relationship and report back to ban the account from joining anymore servers.
@@TheDiner50 Actually, the pinned comment explains that it isn't even the server deceiving the game client. It's your own client deceiving you. Your client knows it's actually an enemy spy, but it just displays it as a disguise to you. It's the reason cheaters can instantly shoot you as a cloaked or disguised spy. The server sends you the real information.
@@TheDiner50 yeah, that's why aimbots know who is a spy or not, also knows where invisible spies are, and why they have 100% crit chance on their melee, because server is omnipotent lmao!
In theory.
@@xdeathcon By the way, it may seem stupid to send clients the real info due to the possibility of cheating, but if the server told your client it was a friendly player then your client would think that you can walk through the enemy Spy which would probably cause major prediction errors. Furthermore it would play wrong sound effects when using for example the Disciplinary Action or Crusader's Crossbow.
@@Thornskade I didn't argue the validity of it. I simply stated the facts of how it works.
Imagine a future where the Snipers on the 2Fort battlements are actually enemy spies.
YESSSS
NOOOOO
Both in the battlements from the opposite teams, using the Ambassador and trying to actually be Snipers instead of capturing the intel
@@davisdf3064 At least before the Jungle Inferno update...
One time I was playing spy and tried to do that by going into the enemy base's battlements and just staring into my base.
Sadly, somehow someone noticed me.
Just imagine walking up to a scoped RED sniper, hiding their dot against a wall. You look at the dot, and it's blue
How amazing would that be
and then you still get headshot because it's the Amby
@@tonyf3431 and he still dies because the second headshot missed due to the spread
@@forple8930
And then you die because you got distracted and a Trolldier maket gardened you
@@forple8930 **dead ringer noise**
If a server plugin was made that could map animation plays to keys such as primary fire or secondary fire/scope, it would actually make Spy a little more viable. They could actually have a chance to survive aggressive spy checkers (which at this point in TF2 is everyone, since there really is no loss to shooting every teammate you see for the first time)
Trust me, a good spy won’t need that to be efficient.
Don’t tell me you’re spychecking when there’s an enemy medic in front of you
You can already fool people by disguising as sniper, looking ahead and strafing on the spot. Scoping in would be the icing on the cake.
i literally smack my teammates with melee weapons because i think its funny, therefore i accidentally kill spies
@@bistratus I see I'm not alone.
@@pyotrilyichtchaikovskyii6638 Me too on that part. just not that efficiently since i usually die just after.
Spy's disguise kit can now be somewhat convincing now i think
It doesn't work like this in game though so not really.
@@HOTD108_
You still can mimic the reload animations doe.
@@civilsecuritylite12054 sure but the animations are buggy enough for attentive players and veterans to notice
Seeing that red sniper produce the wrong color dot when scoped in was actually an incredible tell. It would have been super cool if Valve had implemented more ability for the spy to fake behaviors, with similar tells for perceptive players to notice.
Exactly how do you zoom in while digused as a sniper?
@@HorhaywastakenYou cannot ingame. It requires you to have the Sniper Rifle equipped as Spy, which is impossible in public matches.
@@internetguy2760 Thanks
@@internetguy2760 You could do it in a randomizer community server though, if you got the disguise kit and a rifle
A Spy with the wrong weapon is both the funniest and scariest thing you could see in TF2
"why is that demoman with no feet running at me with a spycicle?"
@@milliondollarmistake AA
minigun spy with a shotgun sounds terrifying ngl
I once saw a spy with the rocket jumper
The soldier violently convulsing while A posing when charging the cow mangler is incredible
disguise as sniper while being able to scope in sound awesome :o
Perhaps it could activate if you stand still with your revolver out for 1 second.
@@badideagenerator2315 i mostly just want it to add the extra authenticity when I disguise.
Yeah, do a funny troll where you sneak onto the enemy battlements disguised as an enemy sniper and just stand around sniping people.
Someone calls you out on being a spy and you just go "yes"
is it just me or does the spy-disguised-as-heavy look weirdly creeped/freaked out in this video
yea, he's so confused
You would look like that too if you were trapped inside team fortress 2 and made to pose for some guy's UA-cam video
He's seen things done to Sasha...
@@seronymus "Who touched Sasha?"
@@dumbestofasses The weird eyes make the disguises super obvious
would be cool if there were any commands that would display animations while you are disguised
then anyone could cheat, faking the fact that they aren't a spy
@@astroboy512 you mean... the whole point of spy..?
@@astroboy512 Thats the entire point of Spy though
@@sethbryant7894 he is little salty about getting stabbed lol
@@astroboy512 согласись если бы мы получили эти комманды
мы бы могли всех просто обмануть
а если бы абсолютно все смогли воспроизводить такие анимации
это бы просто сдело вычисление шпиона трудней и интересней
ok, now spy needs a revolver that can aim down sights so you can do the sniper scope animation while disguised
The hunting revolver of new vegas
Idea for 3 positives and 2 negatives:
+ can zoom in
+ can headshot
+ zooming in while disguised as sniper will make your disguise zoom in as well
- cannot cloak while equipped
-there are no random crits, sorry
Reply with more stats to add onto this if you wish :)
@tt JGsjYzuts5fHfJjkFsYYIfJGKsya, what's it called?
@@jakejohnson718 no
@@jakejohnson718 Could do that if the spy was disguised as a Heavy, he would have the minigun "spinning" when using this weapon
The buff spy needed back when not everyone and their grandma literally shot anyone at any point randomly.
3:53 My sleep paralysis demon
Your graphics are always so nice and visually explain everything very well. This fact makes me surprised this wasn't ever added as a feature to trick enemy players as the mind games spy mains could do. Of course it would have probably taken a ton of work to add but I do hope if they ever made another TF they do try to add this.
It's actually so fascinating how the Source Engine deals with these things. It's bittersweet to reflect from how much Valve neglects TF2. Spy needs more options like a scoped weapon
"The Spy is a perfectly balanced class with no exploits whatsoever"
-Gabe "Mr Valve" Newell
Imagine comment without watching the full video and quoting something Gabe never said.
@@FleshBrain k
In Fatmagic's most recent video, a Spy disguised as a Scout fired a scattergun shot before undisguising and firing his revolver. I was wondering what happened. Was it accidental on his part?
There was a second scout; re-watch that portion frame by frame. I made the same mistake at first. Look at 12:29 of "Stop walking on the stickies" frame by frame.
if you look closey frame by frame there was another scout behind the spy shooting at fatmagic. the disguised spy also was wearing a soda popper. i too was baffled until i looked closer, truly a coincidence.
I thought the same thing at first too, lol
Check the door behind, it was another scout firing it but it looked exactly like it was the spy doing it
Can someone link this video, please?
I can only imagine how hilarious it would be to run up to an enemy and hit them while being disguised.
And then they hit back with their melee because “haha we pan each other” and a spy fucking drops
Idea: Prop Gun
Level X Revolver
+ Primary and alternate fire allow you to fully fake the animations of your disguise’s current weapon (including fake bullets and projectiles).
+ 10% move speed increase on wearer
+ 20% damage reduction while disguised
+ Firing does not break disguise
- This weapon deals no damage
• The weapon can be tapped or held to accommodate the weapon your disguise is currently holding.
Neat for a sneaky playstyle
accompanied by the "prop knife"
or just a scissors
+ allows you to fully fake the animations of your disguise's current melee weapon (including whacking sentries or dispensers like an engineer)
+ swinging it around does not break disguise
- cannot backstab
- hitting enemy's back only deal mini crit (x1.3)
6:10 I don't agree, the spy is definitely using that shield shounic
For anyone who isn't aware, the sniper rifle and flareguns don't have "reload" animations; they just have a pretty long firing animation that plays for quite some time after it has fired. So disguising as a sniper and reloading your revolver won't play an animation of your disguise reloading his rifle.
That's why you can stow them immediately after firing and have them be loaded next time!
Honestly actually learning that everything in TF2 is processed as text, sent to your computer *as text* and almost instantly is constructed into a visual state is an astounding showcase of the power of technology.
that's how all multipler games work, you're not streaming screen's content from a server, it's just complex texts of info that the game on your coputer makes sense of and slaps onto ur screen. (66 times per second)
Now I want to see a revolver for Spy that spins up like a minigun, and it causes the Heavy disguise to spin up, too.
i'd like to imagine if he were to try and recreate a minigun spin up for the disguise he just spins the revolver cylinder rapidly
6:52 the spy maniacally t-posing in the back has to be the best part of the video
So the next time you see a scout aggressively swinging his drink, you know that he is a spy.
Yo, just realized that the dot at around 3:15 is still blue, that’s actually sweet
Noticed that too
This actually works well for the item idea i had for spy, a new gun idea that looks like a nerf gun with a light on the back, it would do very weak damage, like 50% less, but if used while disguised, doesnt shoot any bullets but doesnt remove disguise, meaning it allows you to fake fire and reload on command, and if you middle click, it acts as the disguises right click, lighting up the guns light to say your doing that action, i feel its an interesting way to spice up spy game play
@@smeggiamagarwine bold of you assume im not even checking every player i met in the first place
@@smeggiamagarwine that's the whole point of spy, causing the enemy team to not trust one another, wasting the enemy's time and ammo in the process.
so what you're saying is the spy could theoretically mimic animations in disguise but as it stands can't?
Imagine if they gave the enforcer a right click fake fire action like that...!
They can’t because invis watch. Edit: it would need to be some special keybind perhaps middle button?
@@aceplante shoot good point I don't like playing spy so I forgot about that
unless i misunderstood something he can by holding out his sapper and left clicking, to mimic the firing animation
@@ChronoSquare based
4:10 the heavy is bieng held at gunpoint to do this stuff lol
your editing has really gotten better!
I love the editing, the visuals are so cool to look at.
i love how the soldier charging up the mangler just T-poses and vibrates ominously
Man starts a new sentence with every new word, makes me wonder if he ever passes the "im not a robot" test
It is literally an AI voice program.
@@OriginalOmgCow I made this comment 2 years ago 💀
@@Yowstup Blame youtube recommends lol
amazing demonstration of the spy using the rescue ranger's right click lmao
3:50 I think this is because Heavy has two animations for using the minigun; the spinning up animation, and the recoil animation, which is just layered on top of the spinning up animation to make it look like Heavy is shooting. Here, Spy's disguise is unable to perform the spinning up animation, causing only the recoil animation to play.
Amazing video as always! I got excited there thinking that I could scope in with the sniper disguise in casual.
I think it'd be really neat if Spy had extra actions to help him disguise better. Things like Sniper scoping, building hauling, stuff like that.
It's really great that I get know about this just now when I already quitted playing the game.
This would be really cool as an actual feature. Have a button that allows the Spy to mimic a class-specific action - on Heavy you'd rev your minigun, as Engie you'd carry a toolbox, Sniper would scope in, and so on. It'd help make disguises a bit more viable.
Make the revolver a lighter,
Rmb causes it to sparkle,
Lmb causes it to emit gas,
Mmb causrs it to Click its hammer.
All this talk of increasing spy viability when I spy check everything that moves within 100 meters of my kabooty.
I could definitely tell that shounic forgot to act human for a minute, his voice program is all off
this is amazing not even gonna lie idk why i enjoyed this so much
4:00 i like how heavy just stares at the camera
This is really cool info for randomizers actually
It makes me think, what if we had a Revolver that was dedicated to mimicking actions, so it would not actually shoot but mimic left click and you could not cloak while using it because right click would mimic right click actions like scoping in. It would have longer holstering time to avoid quick backstabs after mimicking.
The fact that he spends so much effort just to tell us how stuff works, bugs, strats which we probably wouldn't think about it makes him a chad and he deserves tons of respect for that
Randomizer servers are gonna get awesome!
This makes a lot of sense, thinking about the whole Hot Rod flippy thing with the sapper
This seems like It'd be a good disguise kit buff. Or maybe a alt for it. Letting you use all the animations.
perhaps
The minigun shaking is because the rev up is a separate animation from the firing one the heavy firing animation is just two bones at the shoulder moving back and forth to create the illusion of recoil ontop of any other animation you love to see this small dev stuff beeing broken down
So you are saying that the disguise breaking is coded into each spy weapon? My Dolly sense is tingling...
This is VERY VERY useful information for randomizer servers.
7 Year old me playing with the toy bow from the dollar store: 4:47
i love these kind of educational videos! please make more i subscribed
0:15 but how do you scope in without cloaking
Yes
Dead ringer?
You don't.. he's making the point that it can be done, not that it's actually possible to do in regular gameplay
spy is keeping this channel alive
5:29 ....I am Heavy Weapon Spy.
...I'm Heavy Weapons Spy. And this is my weapon...
Spy Scout throws his Bonk in disgust
loving this 15.ai shounic voice, sounds just like the real thing!
The first half explaining the server information finally made me understand why connection issues result in people walking in place, rather than just freezing. The players are in the state of walking, but because of the connection issue my computer doesn't get any new information about their location or if they've stopped walking, so it just keeps playing the walking animation.
Imagine how cool this would be as a concept, obviously downgraded to some compacity. There could be a unique disguise kit that makes cloaking has a 50% additional drain, but if you're disguised as a Heavy or Sniper, Spy can M2 while disguised as those classes to mimic the actions they would do, which would add a whole new way to trick your enemies and going in for a kill on them.
the only thing more fun than playing against a huntswoman sniper is playing against huntswoman spy disguised as your sniper who casually turns around and does a 360, both in damage and in turning angle.
I'm hoping it's something other than M2 since cloaking will be impossible while disguised as the two classes you proposed.
Unless if you use console commands to cloak/bring up the dr
@@cocogoatmilkersssss True, maybe move the "secondary" actions the other classes do be M3 like the Medic's shield in MvM? That way Spy will be able to cloak and do the secondary actions the other classes can do with their weapons.
@@apurpledragon You read my mind, couldn't have said it any better.
spy is secretly the source spaghetti monster
it's because *his* favorite class is the spy
Imagine if Spy can mimic melee swing animations
Scoping as sniper
Prefire with heavy's minigun
This sounds great on paper but overpowered in execution
Im thinking now if the devs tried experimenting with it and they never complete this mimic "feature"
And they forgotten to disable the reload animation(which can be possible)
I think it's cool how a disguised spy with the huntsman who's allowed to fire looks super convincing- if not for the team-accurate arrow trail.
shounic is slowly turning into an AI reading voice, why did you speak in such a weird way in this video?
idk tbh i just got extra self conscious about how i pronounce / enunciate things while recording this time i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fun video! Thanks for uploading!
why does he sound AI generated in this video
somehow that image of a level 1 just sitting there with a spy holding the rescue ranger and aggressively A-posing in the background is funny to me
can i have a burger
No but have a avocado🥑
big mac
@@cadmiz pleas e
Heavy staring at me while jiggling his gun gives me funny feelings.
3:52 he looks so nervous 🥺
spy disguises so good he even tricks the computer into telling the other players that he is a friendly.
I really like your stuff I'm guessing you work really hard on research thank you for me not bored
I've been waaiting for a video on this for so long. I want spy to be able to mimic attacking ingame.
Would be cool if they made a 5th item slot of an item that helps give him better acting to play with.
A bag-o-tricks with animations to play with for certain classes, and also for some universal ones. For example, reload animations would be easier to do on demand(and even select the reload length depending on some weapons) without needing your revolver to have been shot just first.
Just imagine getting pootis pow'd by a disguised enemy spy
I believe you still can't taunt
As a Spy main, it would be awesome if we could do more with our disguises. Although, it would definitely be a little OP
I seriously just wish this was true in like, a casual game. Spy's disguises fucking BLOW, partially because it doesn't have enough options to mimic class functions.
3:42 wow this pose looks iconic
3:13 Wait, the sniper dot is blue! Does that mean you could (theoretically) identify a spy sniper who's faking a scope by looking at the colour of their dot?
it ain't going to happen, but spy should be able to get an alternate disguise kid unlock that automaticly moves the cloack button to the special fire and able the spy to imitate every animation without having to equip the weapon with maybey a 20-40 health reduction as a penalty
3:51 The poor man is freezing with nothing but a t-shirt in the middle of winter
Ok, going to listen to "spy sings like a boss" after this vid
We just need a tool for the spy that allows him to fake these animations in a more organic and believable way
ah yes classic *_S O U R C E S P A G H E T T I_*
That was a missed opportunity to make spy gameplay more immersive
love how your videos make me think deeper and explain things I would never even think about. Im not sure if you have addressed it or not but I was wondering what is the longest melee weapon? And what is the fastest a character can run? For longest weapon my guess would be either the whip or the skullcutter. The whip because it can hit behind and in front of the soldier. For fastest a baby face blaster scout, drinking crit a cola or a soldier with 1hp, escape plan equipped after blowing a conch would have to be in the top 2. At their top speed would being hit by a soldiers whip make them run even faster? Just a few questions I had and you are the only one I know who would know or could find out. Thanks for doing what you do and sharing it with us:)
Disguise kit/invis watch that makes disguises temporary but lets you fire your weapons without breaking disguises. Maybe only breaks on dealing damage/running out of time? Think about it.