More Classics: Jay Z or Kanye West? | Everyday Struggle

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  • Опубліковано 10 тра 2017
  • On today's episode of #EverydayStruggle, Joe Budden, DJ Akademiks, and Nadeska continued the classic albums discussion and focused in on Kanye West and Jay Z. Who has more classics?
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  • @22trigg
    @22trigg 7 років тому +1642

    Him saying runaway isn't good hurt my soul

    • @MODERNDAYGRIOT
      @MODERNDAYGRIOT 7 років тому +18

      Runaway is wack. That's the only song I skip on the album.

    • @_IsrealPerez
      @_IsrealPerez 7 років тому +194

      What...runaway is awesome

    • @venod3134
      @venod3134 7 років тому +5

      I thought it was over produced *Kanye shrug*

    • @Dolofromstate2state
      @Dolofromstate2state 7 років тому +4

      ogbobbywhite he didn't say that watch again

    • @young_raymond47
      @young_raymond47 7 років тому +77

      'IS LOST IN THE WORLD ON A CLASSIC ALBUM?' I genuinely need to lie down. I'm hoping he comes out on twitter and says it was a joke.

  • @8sxope
    @8sxope 7 років тому +2315

    akademics the chorus, joe the verses and nadeska in the back there like some adlibs

    • @hughshearer9298
      @hughshearer9298 7 років тому +75

      W

    • @ballindj96
      @ballindj96 7 років тому +40

      Randumb Fockery as soon as I read this she in the background sayin "Lets get it. Lets get it" 😂😂😂

    • @zay4510
      @zay4510 7 років тому +1

      Randumb Fockery Classic

    • @TEBEATS
      @TEBEATS 7 років тому +1

      Randumb Fockery Nice.. Check Out My Page For Free Beats!

    • @8sxope
      @8sxope 7 років тому +1

      ballindj96 😂😂😂 swear

  • @treysmith1792
    @treysmith1792 7 років тому +911

    Joe's blood pressure is over 9000

  • @chilalaunique4999
    @chilalaunique4999 6 років тому +1497

    Joe Budden is hilarious, but he's dead wrong on this. MBDTF is hands down a classic

    • @mounamouuur
      @mounamouuur 6 років тому +41

      FACTS.

    • @TheDietBurger
      @TheDietBurger 6 років тому +1

      Original what makes you say that

    • @abhisheknair6318
      @abhisheknair6318 6 років тому +5

      What was so impactful about MBDTF?

    • @thegooseinator9614
      @thegooseinator9614 6 років тому +68

      Abhishek Nair It dissected the dangers of being rich and famous by talking endlessly about how cool it was to be rich and famous before bringing everything down. Forget rap, that kind of vision is impactful for art period. Also, it’s a rock opera in rap form, which opened up all sorts of grand musical possibilities for new artists.

    • @abhisheknair6318
      @abhisheknair6318 6 років тому +7

      TheGooseinator I heard the whole album in it's entirety recently man and I gotta admit it is Kanye’s second best album till date after Late Registration to me.

  • @brianl.7465
    @brianl.7465 7 років тому +1113

    Nadeska bout 10 episodes away from snapping, fam.

    • @omarlionheart
      @omarlionheart 7 років тому

      Brian Leguizamon lol right

    • @jacoblyons79
      @jacoblyons79 7 років тому +44

      Brian Leguizamon 20:25 is the seed planted.

    • @kidprep
      @kidprep 7 років тому +10

      Oh so that's her name lol

    • @ChinamanSwag
      @ChinamanSwag 7 років тому

      Larissa Ramos anything particular I needa see there?

    • @dwinnie
      @dwinnie 7 років тому

      Larissa Ramos litty tiddy

  • @juniornyakundi9397
    @juniornyakundi9397 7 років тому +816

    Series should be titled Nedeska's Everyday Struggle

    • @chicNlover
      @chicNlover 7 років тому +37

      Junior Nyakundi the most accurate comment ive seen all day

    • @AdamDDE
      @AdamDDE 7 років тому +4

      Lol good one she be so stressed.

    • @user-sj2sd3ei1n
      @user-sj2sd3ei1n 7 років тому +9

      Junior Nyakundi Hold this W, take a stand

    • @fatimacano2900
      @fatimacano2900 7 років тому

      fr😂😂😂😂😂

    • @TrunxKraft3000
      @TrunxKraft3000 7 років тому +4

      Junior Nyakundi SOUNDS LIKE THE NAME OF A SHOW ON THE DISNEY CHANNEL 😂😂

  • @porochu8871
    @porochu8871 6 років тому +912

    funny cause some of jay-z's classics are cause of kanye's production

    • @Wediharakat
      @Wediharakat 6 років тому +40

      honestly jay is kinda wack to me. i fuck with his music. but that whole mob persona is little tired

    • @isaiahjohnson2277
      @isaiahjohnson2277 5 років тому +67

      @@Wediharakat It's not tired when it's true.

    • @Wediharakat
      @Wediharakat 5 років тому +23

      did jay sell crack? yeah
      was he behind a desk in a tux with a cigar speaking italian?

    • @axisv99
      @axisv99 5 років тому +3

      on god

    • @simonefaggiani119
      @simonefaggiani119 5 років тому +24

      Just the Blueprint

  • @thebabystepproject
    @thebabystepproject 6 років тому +238

    This debate is classic

  • @swirly7966
    @swirly7966 7 років тому +429

    I know he did not just say Runaway was a wack song.........I better be FUCKING SLEEP CUZ I'M TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW.

    • @lilyachtytheg.o.a.t7948
      @lilyachtytheg.o.a.t7948 7 років тому +5

      Swirly7! Facts I'm gonna listen to it right now just because. After that I had to put Kanye over Whitney and Mariah Carey in terms of singing

    • @swirly7966
      @swirly7966 7 років тому +2

      They way he said it clearly shows that he doesn't think it's a good song. If not, he really shouldn't have been influenced by other people's opinion since it's one of the best songs he ever wrote.

    • @Devine3190
      @Devine3190 7 років тому

      Fav Kanye song of all-time.

    • @6ideon85
      @6ideon85 7 років тому +1

      FEEL YOU. Probably favorite song on the album. The emotions man... , pusha and the last 2 minutes OMG.
      Am I the only one who hums with it ?

    • @Lilithsdaughter18
      @Lilithsdaughter18 7 років тому

      I don't like Kanye singing.Pusha's verse is awesome though.

  • @PoeticFPS
    @PoeticFPS 7 років тому +187

    Joe's loud as fuck

    • @heelinoff2472
      @heelinoff2472 7 років тому +28

      I know I cant even watch this shit at work half the time lol

    • @MyMelanatedScope
      @MyMelanatedScope 7 років тому +18

      +Heelin Off24/7
      maybe you should be working

    • @RED-yw7ov
      @RED-yw7ov 7 років тому +1

      boy if you watchin this shit in work to begin with it's because your job shit and you can watch it in work either way

    • @heelinoff2472
      @heelinoff2472 7 років тому

      Antonio Brown maybe you should be twerking

  • @JeremiahCruickshank
    @JeremiahCruickshank 6 років тому +296

    MBDTF is a classic. Now I get what Joe is saying, we dont want to call all an artists albums classics, but we cant punnish an Artist for making classics by saying they are only allowed 2 or 3 albums to be called classics.
    Kanye made 4-5 classic albums and thats a fact. He did it and we cant take that away.
    Now with that said, Joe is wack for saying MBDTF isnt a classic. to some people its his best album, people who dont listen to rap or hip-hop would call it one of the best albums in any genre, I even know people who listen to only Opera and Classical music and would rate it among the best pieces of art period.

    • @kingsavage5832
      @kingsavage5832 5 років тому +5

      I'd felt Akademiks pain when Joe rejected "Blame Game" Lmfao..

    • @tomsylvester3965
      @tomsylvester3965 4 роки тому +12

      yea this is a good point why can't an artist have a lot of classics
      College dropout classic
      late registration classic
      graduation classic
      808s classic
      mbdtf classic
      yeezus its either a classic right now or its going to be
      tlop same as yeezus
      ye great album not classic
      ksg classic collab

    • @Ashish-xm9ol
      @Ashish-xm9ol 4 роки тому +1

      @@tomsylvester3965 tlop and yeezus have classics but aren't classics, although tlop is a classic to me
      Ye is a classic to mentally unstable ppl

    • @tomsylvester3965
      @tomsylvester3965 4 роки тому

      @@Ashish-xm9ol you have to look at public perception and to a lot of the public yeezus and tlop have grown on people and become classics

    • @monojuice
      @monojuice 4 роки тому

      Tom Sylvester aye you gotta add watch the throne to that list which is imo a classic

  • @NIJEECAPRICORN23
    @NIJEECAPRICORN23 7 років тому +295

    A classic album is an album that stands the test of time. It is an album that is innovative and impactful that stands the test of time. Aundre is way different from Kanye West. Aundre was actually singing on his albums like a little blues boy. Kanye actually took the autotune of a vocoder and synthesizers and made it into a trend. He made it melodic and cool. He also illustrated animations and creative imagery into his videos where it seemed like an event. People like Drake started to follow that and all these trap rappers are doing it too. Brysen Tiller too. Kanye did that long video for over an hour for dark twisted fantasy and made it into a movie like Beyonce is doing now. Alot of things Kanye did are ahead of its time. Kanye rarely showed his face on his albums and now Jay-Z and Drake are doing that. I agree with Dj Akademics but in my opinion Kanye has more then 4. He has 5. I still bump to 808.

    • @g-maneinsteineinstein8804
      @g-maneinsteineinstein8804 5 років тому +1

      well said

    • @Greatnes2009
      @Greatnes2009 5 років тому +4

      Technically didn’t that start with T-Pain and Wayne before Kanye the whole auto tune?🤔

    • @Trumpeter2345
      @Trumpeter2345 5 років тому +5

      Greatnes2009 Yeah, Kanye popularized it and inspired others. T-Pain won’t be remembered in the next decade.

    • @Greatnes2009
      @Greatnes2009 5 років тому +4

      Peter M You are insane T-Pain popularized it and inspired it we will always remember him maybe not you new age people that like this trash from today but for us who know and acknowledge it T-Pain will always get his props

    • @zerocooper8425
      @zerocooper8425 5 років тому +8

      Idk why joe acted surprised when they said Kanye has 4-5 classics. Kanye has the best discography in all of hip hop, maybe even all of music.

  • @YAMAMALUVMETOO
    @YAMAMALUVMETOO 7 років тому +422

    lmao you can't watch Joe speak without getting some type of anxiety...

  • @marcosgarcia213
    @marcosgarcia213 7 років тому +482

    Joe gonna mention Kanye red outfit while wearing an all grey nursing home outfit

    • @Jsimm100
      @Jsimm100 7 років тому +4

      Marcos Garcia 😂😂😂

    • @OLWHartist
      @OLWHartist 7 років тому

      Marcos Garcia rudeeeee😂😂😂😂

    • @jonathanvillareal399
      @jonathanvillareal399 7 років тому

      Live love asap u gotta be playing it's his best work c mon now

  • @MarianoSinito
    @MarianoSinito 7 років тому +81

    Kanye easily has 5 classic albums. Then he has 3 great albums (YES BITCH, YEEZUS WAS A GREAT ALBUM)
    You may like the guy or not, every album he's ever dropped has changed the sound of an entire future generation. No relevant artist today can say he/she hasn't been influenced by a Ye album. For example:
    - Chance The Rapper/Kendrick Lamar/Childish Gambino: College Dropout/Late Registration/MBDTF
    - Drake: 808s
    - Travi$ Scott/A$ap/The Weeknd: 808s/Yeezus
    - Tyler The Creator/Childish Gambino: College Dropout/Late Registration/MBDTF
    - Frank Ocean: MBDTF
    I can go on and on with this... Kanye ACTUALLY IS top 5 most influential of ALL TIME and NUMBER ONE for this generation. In my opinion...

  • @hoc1992
    @hoc1992 6 років тому +271

    MBDTF is undisputed, hands down, not even an argument, CLASSIC lol why is this a question?

    • @jyetaylor6898
      @jyetaylor6898 5 років тому +4

      Nah all of the lights, lost in the world,who will survive in America, blame game and hell of a life are pretty meh

    • @jyetaylor6898
      @jyetaylor6898 5 років тому +1

      XXXANADU 22 lol

    • @jyetaylor6898
      @jyetaylor6898 5 років тому +1

      XXXANADU 22 they are all pretty shit songs

    • @jyetaylor6898
      @jyetaylor6898 5 років тому +1

      XXXANADU 22 lol you have wack ass taste

    • @OMN1N
      @OMN1N 4 роки тому +13

      @@jyetaylor6898 You have wack taste, you can't even listen to anything melodic and/or creative.

  • @gerbiljerome6807
    @gerbiljerome6807 7 років тому +264

    sooooo because its not the best Ye album it ain't a classic? it's not Kanyes fault all his albums are such high quality. Joe be bugging

    • @TheRoux222
      @TheRoux222 7 років тому +9

      Technically it is his fault lol, but I see what you sayin

  • @bigshadowfocus7888
    @bigshadowfocus7888 7 років тому +184

    when he went down the tracklist of MBDTF I was like Got Damm that Shit Classic!!!! got Damn

    • @alixxing7324
      @alixxing7324 6 років тому +17

      You know Joe lost when he had to stop him at Runaway bc he could see he'd be at the end of the album having agreed all that shit was 🔥 🔥 🔥 When Runaway is your 'not a classic track' you're bankrupt of everything but Ls.

    • @rickywilson6878
      @rickywilson6878 5 років тому

      Yea

  • @XD123771
    @XD123771 6 років тому +385

    In time, every Kanye album will be considered a classic

    • @slobonmyfilmsnob
      @slobonmyfilmsnob 5 років тому +14

      possible... not yeezus tho lol at least imo

    • @carterpayte9463
      @carterpayte9463 4 роки тому +11

      Gavin Ayotte yeezus is better than graduation but not a classic

    • @yahleeldabi5202
      @yahleeldabi5202 4 роки тому +32

      @@carterpayte9463 its gon be a classic. It is not fuckin better than graduation.

    • @carterpayte9463
      @carterpayte9463 4 роки тому +5

      @@yahleeldabi5202 1. mbdtf 2. lr 3. tcd 4. yeezus 5. grad 6. tlop 7. 808's 8. jik 9. ye

    • @keifervm
      @keifervm 4 роки тому +14

      @@slobonmyfilmsnob Yeezus already a classic

  • @cheesecakelasagna
    @cheesecakelasagna 5 років тому +34

    Rumour has it Fantano was in that set smiling the whole time.

  • @LatserGaming
    @LatserGaming 7 років тому +388

    Kanye is a musical genius.

    • @nickwiley9647
      @nickwiley9647 6 років тому +7

      MrThuglife404 nobody thinks kanyes a genius for his lyrics. Its his production

    • @TomBruhh
      @TomBruhh 6 років тому +14

      Also, no he didn't. Many people help him and he credits people even if their input is minuscule. He does not have ghost writers.

    • @B4raCk0s4Ma
      @B4raCk0s4Ma 6 років тому +2

      Nick Wiley he has good lyrics tho

    • @liamthompson8095
      @liamthompson8095 6 років тому +6

      It’s not called a ghost writer if he’s open about it

    • @alexjarmes7226
      @alexjarmes7226 6 років тому +1

      Xan Frank you clearly don’t know what a ghostwriter is

  • @dwilliams199211
    @dwilliams199211 7 років тому +74

    Kanye West have 4 classic albums
    1. College Dropout
    2. Late Registration
    3. Graduated
    4.My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

    • @user-qd6im2hp2e
      @user-qd6im2hp2e 3 роки тому +8

      808s & Heartbreak

    • @Khalid1600
      @Khalid1600 3 роки тому +3

      @- Cdawgg - I love TLOP but it's way too inconsistent to be called a classic album.

    • @shafferkropke7271
      @shafferkropke7271 3 роки тому +3

      Mbdtf is better than graduation

    • @user-qd6im2hp2e
      @user-qd6im2hp2e 3 роки тому +1

      @@Khalid1600 it’s a playlist of his previous sounds prior to that album

    • @Khalid1600
      @Khalid1600 3 роки тому +2

      @@user-qd6im2hp2e again I love TLOP, it's literally my third favorite Kanye album, but my point still stands, the album is messy, and I understand what led to being what it is today. Personally I don't think it's a classic, but maybe in the future I'll agree.

  • @Ghosttt3
    @Ghosttt3 4 роки тому +31

    A classic album is TIMELESS. You can’t knock an artist for being great. By Joe’s definition, no one artist could ever have more than 2-3 classic albums

  • @dylansingley3191
    @dylansingley3191 6 років тому +37

    7:41
    Nadeska: we're only talking about 2007-2017
    Joe: so Kanye has 4 classic albums

  • @joshuagomez2086
    @joshuagomez2086 7 років тому +280

    "I was like 9 bro"- Akademiks 😂😂💀💀

    • @davidphan3956
      @davidphan3956 7 років тому +1

      Literally, enough said hahaha

    • @TheDonYG
      @TheDonYG 7 років тому +6

      Vibez Aka is pathetic b, im younger than he is, and I relate heavily on the late 90s and early 2000s and mid 2000s rap songs I heard growing up.

    • @chillhomie7
      @chillhomie7 7 років тому +2

      Its not that he didnt relate or here the songs its just that he didn't physically walk into stores and purchase full albums at age nine. niether did I it was all the radio and what our parents bought us

    • @TheDonYG
      @TheDonYG 7 років тому

      Mr_CRaYCRaY If the music was good then, you would be able to remember at least where you was when you heard it or what you was doing or something like that.

  • @Fan4ManUnited
    @Fan4ManUnited 7 років тому +442

    Late registration, college dropout, graduation, twisted fantasy. All classics. Simple as that

  • @youngkneverbrokeagain3143
    @youngkneverbrokeagain3143 7 років тому +203

    The first minute of runaway is better than anything joe has and will ever put out in his career.

    • @codyowings9895
      @codyowings9895 6 років тому +35

      He can play the first note of runaway & the crowd goes crazy lol

    • @hoc1992
      @hoc1992 6 років тому +4

      True

    • @mr.sharma125
      @mr.sharma125 5 років тому +1

      thats not saying muc though LMFAOO

  • @krisjackson6567
    @krisjackson6567 5 років тому +29

    He’s tripping if he doesn’t think MBDTF is a classic.

  • @Adam-ff1zt
    @Adam-ff1zt 7 років тому +964

    MBDTF Is 100% a classic what the fuck

    • @karmadelivery4407
      @karmadelivery4407 7 років тому +14

      Adam 1 yo mamma

    • @juniegyllenhaal3937
      @juniegyllenhaal3937 7 років тому +16

      It's a good record, not a classic

    • @Adam-ff1zt
      @Adam-ff1zt 7 років тому +58

      Junie Gyllenhaal no it's definitely a classic. The album was incredible

    • @juniegyllenhaal3937
      @juniegyllenhaal3937 7 років тому +2

      Adam 1 lmao the last 3 songs were garbage, and all of the lights was trash. Plus......he don't write raps

    • @oquinox7648
      @oquinox7648 7 років тому +44

      Junie Gyllenhaal you did not just say All of the Lights, Blame Game, and Lost in the World are garbage 😂 plus Who will Survive in America was more of an outro than anything

  • @chunkyrexx9264
    @chunkyrexx9264 7 років тому +178

    Poor nedeska, has no voice in these conversations lmao

    • @billylynch9895
      @billylynch9895 7 років тому +55

      She's technically just a moderator, so that's why she doesn't.

    • @TeezyfolKKz
      @TeezyfolKKz 7 років тому +2

      Billy Lynch idk why people don't get that. lol that's like saying the moderator at a presidential debate doesn't have a voice... he/she is not supposed to be talking much. Purely moving the conversation.

    • @604jade
      @604jade 7 років тому

      Chunky Rexx thats exactly what i said

    • @audemarsnolooseends
      @audemarsnolooseends 7 років тому +5

      akademiks low-key tryna smash so he give her lil a chance sometimes... Wish I'd hear her voice too

  • @ETHAN-qc3oe
    @ETHAN-qc3oe 6 років тому +93

    MBDTF Is one of the greatest albums of all time. It has such a rich production value and sends a very conflicting and beautiful message.

    • @TheEminemGuy
      @TheEminemGuy 2 роки тому

      No it's not maybe one of the greatest rap albums but not one of the greatest albums

    • @mrmxyzptlk8906
      @mrmxyzptlk8906 Рік тому

      @@TheEminemGuy well if it isn’t, then no rap album is outside of MMLP.

    • @SweaterSwagg
      @SweaterSwagg 3 місяці тому

      ​@@TheEminemGuyIt's absolutely up there with Thriller and Dark Side of the Moon, cope

  • @teshlawaldemariam917
    @teshlawaldemariam917 5 років тому +24

    U just learned that world two days ago, U just keep saying SONICALLY 💀

  • @DraeDiamond
    @DraeDiamond 7 років тому +584

    Runaway is one of the best rap songs of all time.

  • @patricksalazar4962
    @patricksalazar4962 7 років тому +752

    In time every Kanye album will be a classic 🙌🏼

    • @MarkanVaran7
      @MarkanVaran7 7 років тому +42

      it's inevitable

    • @NYYOSU2
      @NYYOSU2 6 років тому +60

      Yeezus was trash

    • @soundman31
      @soundman31 6 років тому +108

      NYYOSU2 nigga you stupid

    • @jwalls1223
      @jwalls1223 6 років тому +6

      SAME WITH HOV FRFR LIKE DEADASS IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW MANY GEMS HE DROPS IN EVERY ALBUM WHEN HE DROPPED THE ALBUM HOW HE DROPPED THE ALBUM THE PRODUCERS ON THE ALBUM THE TRENDS HE KILLS/STARTS THE WAY HIS WORDS GET PEOPLES IN THEY FEELINGS/OPINIONS HOW HE SHAKES THE INDUSTRY AND HOW HE SHIFTS THE CULTURE FORWARD AND IM A HUGE KANYE FAN BUT HOVS WORDS SPEAKS VOLUMES TO ALOT OF PEOPLE..

    • @ghostgore2.0
      @ghostgore2.0 6 років тому +18

      NYYOSU2 yeezus wasn’t trash

  • @jessivillafuerte2679
    @jessivillafuerte2679 6 років тому +98

    Every single Kanye West album is amazing. You have to listen to them many times in order to understand. For example, I remember when I first listened to Yeezus I was like "wtf is this electronic shit?" But after hearing it over and over I understand that that album is YEARS ahead of it's time. Sure the lyrics aren't the best but the production is amazing and the way he uses his voice in subtle ways to complement the beats are genius. Same for TLOP. When I first heard it I was thinking that Kanye let me down but after hearing it again and again you understand how different and ahead of his time his albums are. Every single album Kanye makes is different from the last and somehow they're all fucking great. He is the most consistently great contemporary artist there is right now. Shit, even look what he did with fashion. Before the Yeezy boosts, nobody was using that materials that that shoe is using and now all the major (Nike, puma, Jordan, Converse, etc) brands copied the style. Man is a creative genius.

    • @likemike2945
      @likemike2945 6 років тому +6

      Jessi Villafuerte But Yeezus and Pablo arent his greatest albums. Theyre good, but not classics.

    • @y.o.s6000
      @y.o.s6000 5 років тому +15

      LikeMike294 they’re very innovative albums that don’t sync with current music trends but will stand the test of time.

    • @zieeharun8750
      @zieeharun8750 5 років тому +1

      I can listen to all (99%) kanye music all day

    • @zerocooper8425
      @zerocooper8425 5 років тому +4

      This! I thought Yeezus was Kanye’s worst album, that shit is crazy truly an amazing body of work. Shit, even Ye is great. Kanye does not have a single bad album. Period.

    • @OMN1N
      @OMN1N 4 роки тому +1

      @@zerocooper8425 Facts

  • @MiguelLopez-fs3ll
    @MiguelLopez-fs3ll 7 років тому +175

    Budden is crazy if he genuinely thinks Graduation is better or more classic worthy than MBDTF

    • @drewskiebohannon7967
      @drewskiebohannon7967 6 років тому +23

      Michael Lopez you fucking drunk if you don't... How old are you?? Old Kanye was that nigga you buggin

    • @ricke.9154
      @ricke.9154 6 років тому +51

      Both are dope

    • @Tebtu
      @Tebtu 6 років тому +10

      graduation is better its his best

    • @JeremiahCruickshank
      @JeremiahCruickshank 6 років тому +28

      MBDTF is absolutly a classic, that isnt even a debate

    • @spiderpigforlife1632
      @spiderpigforlife1632 6 років тому +4

      Graduation ain't even top seven.

  • @SuperKidontheblock
    @SuperKidontheblock 7 років тому +135

    Lol. Yeezy on a mountain scratching his balls chilling

  • @Zephead10
    @Zephead10 7 років тому +172

    JAYZ classics:
    1. Blueprint (Prod. by Kanye West)
    2. The Black Album (Prod. by Kanye West)
    3. Reasonable Doubt
    Kanye West Classics:
    1. The College Dropout
    2. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
    3. Graduation
    4. Late Registration

    • @chiefrocka3128
      @chiefrocka3128 7 років тому +8

      Jonathan Gomez Volume 2 hard knock life,Dynasty,American Gangster

    • @michaelbenson6386
      @michaelbenson6386 7 років тому +3

      American Gangsta....

    • @Zephead10
      @Zephead10 7 років тому +4

      American Gangster is a good album. But not a classic. There is a difference. No one really talks about American Gangster like Jays classics.

    • @Shane-ju7op
      @Shane-ju7op 7 років тому +2

      Yes, Hard Knock life Vol 2.

    • @michaelbenson6386
      @michaelbenson6386 7 років тому +2

      ppl sleep on that album....It was one of the most cohesive albums hov put together.

  • @Eazy912
    @Eazy912 7 років тому +141

    Good Kid Mad City
    Forest Hills Drive
    My beautiful dark twisted fantasy
    The Carter 3
    Take Care
    All Classics I STILL listen to everyday.

    • @ballintothemax8241
      @ballintothemax8241 6 років тому +13

      E91 have fun listening to a song about jcole losing his virginity smh

    • @StormVegitto
      @StormVegitto 6 років тому +33

      Ball into theMax nigga your just mad cuz u can’t relate to that album

    • @ballintothemax8241
      @ballintothemax8241 6 років тому +3

      Top 5 yeah bro u got me

    • @sammiejuwon
      @sammiejuwon 6 років тому +2

      Only classic here is GKMC

    • @sammiejuwon
      @sammiejuwon 6 років тому

      How basic to call these classics lmao

  • @josephrodriguez7084
    @josephrodriguez7084 2 роки тому +10

    Ak saying Graduation isn’t a classic album is WILD.

    • @TylerTedClubberLang
      @TylerTedClubberLang 11 місяців тому +1

      Ak the type of guy to say that anything that is actually amazing is overrated. AK is bad for the culture.

  • @jxdxnmusic8415
    @jxdxnmusic8415 7 років тому +290

    This is like the First Take of Hip Hop lmao. Just waiting for Stephen A. to pop out somewhere.

    • @BlackSantana
      @BlackSantana 7 років тому +4

      Jaden Hescht yoooo i was thinking the same dam thing 😂😂

    • @quentonturner2439
      @quentonturner2439 6 років тому +6

      "This is blasphemous" in Stephen A. Smith voice

    • @j_0922
      @j_0922 6 років тому +1

      BlackSantana.

    • @frankiehompson2746
      @frankiehompson2746 6 років тому +2

      Most accurate thing ive ever heard these takes get just as BLASPHEMOUS

    • @SBTheBully
      @SBTheBully 5 років тому

      Stephen A voice - you're wrong and heres why

  • @WrightMindDesigns
    @WrightMindDesigns 7 років тому +132

    I am leaning more toward Joe's argument for what a classic is.
    It seems that a classic album can
    1. help the listener, though the music, re-imagine the time in which it was created
    2. presenting the music in a unique way, conceptually, as a body of work, and at times pushing boundaries of genre
    3. very high replay value years later

    • @jazminejohnson54
      @jazminejohnson54 7 років тому +3

      WrightMind Designs totally agree

    • @spencerdye8631
      @spencerdye8631 7 років тому +26

      Jazmine Johnson That's basically MBDTF

    • @jazminejohnson54
      @jazminejohnson54 7 років тому

      Spencer Dye why are you telling me this?

    • @chudysepter1911
      @chudysepter1911 7 років тому +8

      WrightMind Designs in that case 808s was more of a classic than most ye albums. 808s made everybody feel things that they never got from a rap album with a sound that impacted culture in everybody thats doing things now

    • @shaquilleoseal7699
      @shaquilleoseal7699 7 років тому

      WrightMind Designs I don't think it should be a classic yet, It's only been 7 years

  • @nothingreally6680
    @nothingreally6680 6 років тому +57

    Basically, Akademiks is right, Budden is wrong. Budden is louder and angrier, so he appears right. Most people disagree with him going in, so he's handicapped as is. But he's not convincing a single soul of anything. Especially if he thinks Graduation had more influence and impact on the genre than Dark Fantasy.
    Also, his 808s rant was borderline incoherent.

    • @AZANlA
      @AZANlA 5 років тому +5

      @Chi Ezike lool stfu

    • @AZANlA
      @AZANlA 5 років тому +5

      he never even explains why said songs are bad

    • @stax8152
      @stax8152 5 років тому +5

      Chi Ezike “YoU DoNt KnoW HiP hOp” Stfu it don’t matter what you or Budden think, the majority of people who listened to the album know its a classic, and would say it’s even better than TCD

    • @marianarodriguezrive
      @marianarodriguezrive 5 років тому

      But Graduation is god

    • @johnsondailysports1341
      @johnsondailysports1341 3 роки тому

      Akademiks destroyed him

  • @hakeemsesay15
    @hakeemsesay15 6 років тому +5

    Probably my favorite moment of everyday struggle. Too bad we ain’t get any more moments like this.

  • @hitech5013
    @hitech5013 7 років тому +131

    Kanye revolutionised the way auto tune is used in rap with his 808 & Heartbreak album.

    • @KlvnDxxminique
      @KlvnDxxminique 7 років тому +3

      Hi Tech I feel like that can be more so attributed to T-Pain because 808s was auto-tuned pop inspired music while T-Pain was doing it on hiphop tracks years before 808s dropped.

    • @ULchiZ
      @ULchiZ 7 років тому +3

      Hi Tech and the use of 808s. 808s is one of most imortant album for todays hip hop sound.

    • @DRWRITER08
      @DRWRITER08 7 років тому +1

      Hi Tech 808s is trash sorry

    • @hitech5013
      @hitech5013 7 років тому +2

      DRWRITER08 that may be your opinion but facts is facts. with that album Kanye created a new space for rap music that's never before been done. some of the instruments you here on that album, and even on his other albums, are not even instruments. it's Kanyes voice. he uses auto tune in a way that has never been done and it's amazing. he's a musical genius. without 808s & Heartbreak, auto tune would still be looked down upon today. in other words Travis Scott, Future, Young Thug, ect wouldn't be as big today because they use auto in such a way which is why they each have there distinct sound that are unique to them. and the list goes on and on and it's all because of Kanye.

    • @AdamDDE
      @AdamDDE 7 років тому +3

      808's is my favorite album just was talking about this on my podcast

  • @MrVIP1993
    @MrVIP1993 7 років тому +61

    MBDTF is kanye at his highest quality. He rapped better on that album than any other album he has put out. Also it was his best produced album as well.

    • @waitwuttt
      @waitwuttt 7 років тому +2

      you could say the same about late registration

    • @henrydorval7487
      @henrydorval7487 2 роки тому

      He actually rapped the best on Late Registration but twisted fantasy was his best produced album

  • @joshferguson8985
    @joshferguson8985 7 років тому +6

    I fucking love the combination of hip hop knowledge, passion, and pure uncontrollable rage joe has it is entertaining on a comedic, suspenseful, and intellectual level it's the perfect debating incorporation

  • @loopyloops3393
    @loopyloops3393 7 років тому +27

    Classic = Time less= Kanye first 3 albums Hands down

    • @nwoodz
      @nwoodz 4 роки тому +3

      loopy loops 33 kanye got 5 classics ATLEAST

    • @user-qd6im2hp2e
      @user-qd6im2hp2e 3 роки тому +1

      @@nwoodz they’re afraid to give Ye his props

  • @LionPelt
    @LionPelt 7 років тому +114

    I find ndeska more attractive as these shows progress.

    • @MegaBlackman321
      @MegaBlackman321 6 років тому +2

      LionPeltLoinCloth you gotta stare at her the right way but I feel you bro😂😂

  • @madco.7016
    @madco.7016 7 років тому +116

    Kanye hands down.

  • @harrisd2940
    @harrisd2940 6 років тому +147

    Kanye has more classics

    • @JCR1992
      @JCR1992 5 років тому +4

      That's a damn joke

    • @brashadcarr6759
      @brashadcarr6759 5 років тому +6

      @@JCR1992 jay has 4 kanye 5

    • @JCR1992
      @JCR1992 5 років тому +2

      1. Reasonable Doubt
      2. Vol. 2 (Maybe)
      3. Blueprint
      4. Black Album
      5. American Gangster (Maybe)
      6. 4:44
      Kanye
      1. College Dropout
      2. Late Registration
      3. Graduation (Maybe)
      4. MBDTF (Maybe)

    • @Will-xt9gj
      @Will-xt9gj 5 років тому +28

      JCR1992 4:44 not a maybe? Idk how that’s a classic am I missing something?

    • @JCR1992
      @JCR1992 5 років тому +2

      Will Well how old are you? Not dissing you either but some younger people didn’t fuck with it because of the subject matter.

  • @TarikHollo
    @TarikHollo 4 роки тому +9

    Joes blood pressure rises everytime AK breaths on the Kanye subject 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @DVRKSTXR
    @DVRKSTXR 7 років тому +229

    Kanye created 5 classic albums in 6 years. He literally has the perfect discography that every artist dreams of, and strives towards. Everything from The College Dropout to My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is literal perfection. I'd break it down as, Kanye is the better artist, while Jay is by far the better rapper. 💯

    • @malini433
      @malini433 7 років тому +3

      PHXNTXM Kendrick has a perfect album discography 2 great albums and 2 soon-to-be classics

    • @malini433
      @malini433 7 років тому

      PHXNTXM how is 808 perfect in your opinion I couldn't listen to it

    • @atribecalledlen3567
      @atribecalledlen3567 7 років тому

      ash k section 80 not a soon to be classic?

    • @tristanwaldron5525
      @tristanwaldron5525 7 років тому +2

      PHXNTXM funny how you say he has a perfect discography even though his last 2 albums were complete trash 😂😂

    • @DVRKSTXR
      @DVRKSTXR 7 років тому +1

      Tristan Waldron​ They were good for what they represented. I, myself, am not that fond of Yeezus at all. Despite that, much like with 808s, I acknowledge the fact that it is an experimental album centered on frustrations driven by societal pressures/struggles. As for TLOP, that was a strong religiously driven album. Containing concepts and principles that are similar to a lot of Kanye's oldest albums. Granted, TLOP doesn't hold a candle to TCD or LR, but the reminiscences are still there.

  • @t.t3708
    @t.t3708 7 років тому +21

    " sonically" "sonically" sonically
    SONIC THE FUCKING HEDGEHOG

  • @KiNGKuNTa986
    @KiNGKuNTa986 4 роки тому +2

    I used to listen to MBDTF in the library and got those whirpool of emotions. Best feeling ever. Its always gon be a classic.

  • @user-qd6im2hp2e
    @user-qd6im2hp2e 3 роки тому +14

    Joe’s logic is that you’re not allowed to have over 3 classic albums in hip hop

  • @SntYvsLrnt
    @SntYvsLrnt 7 років тому +53

    i agree with Joe. Most people nowadays call an album a classic just cause it bangs lmaoo

    • @trillcosby3952
      @trillcosby3952 7 років тому +11

      mbdtf literally hits every single criteria tho

  • @Centerpiece6
    @Centerpiece6 7 років тому +50

    Hopefully Kanye watch this at the mountain top and makes fire. This show is getting more watchable too s/o to Joe for coming around big ups

  • @dlhw252
    @dlhw252 6 років тому +78

    Joes point is mainly how impactful an album is makes it classic. MBDTF is my fav Kanye but College Dropout, Late Registration and Graduation are definitely classics because of the impact.

    • @mikesonko8567
      @mikesonko8567 6 років тому +1

      But at the same time all of the albums you mentioned are over a decade old while MBDTF is only 7 years old so those albums have time on its side

    • @justinr8790
      @justinr8790 6 років тому +10

      If you're talking about impact solely then that makes Yeezus a classic...that album pretty much birthed an entire new sub-genre. All the distorted beats and the heavy 808s pretty much are part of every rapper coming out today.

    • @starkller919
      @starkller919 6 років тому +2

      Justin Rodriguez bruh that's 808s and Heartbreak that influenced artists like Drake, Travis Scott, Kid Cudi etc. Is 808s a classic? No, but it was very influential to the future of hip hop/ RnB we will be seeing in next decade after the albums release.

    • @justinr8790
      @justinr8790 6 років тому +2

      Liam Nguyen You clearly didn't read my comment, or understand it, at least. I'm saying Yeezus is influential to today's rappers (I clearly said "if you're talking about impact solely" so it has nothing to do with it being a classic, I'm saying it would only be that way if it was ONLY based on Impact and I gave Yeezus as an example) are blowing up and using distorted beats, etc. in their music like xxxtentacion, Trippie Redd, Lil Uzi, Rich the Kid, Famous Dex, and Playboi Carti. All artists blowing up and using that type of sound in their music. Not to say that Kanye invented that or anything.

    • @dominicesposito989
      @dominicesposito989 6 років тому +1

      mike sonko that’s the whole point hat Joe was saying. An album needs time to be evaluated as a classic

  • @0240dre
    @0240dre 6 років тому +10

    Aye joe you buggin runaway is dope. I learned how to play that shit on the piano. The only song I can play on the piano.

  • @mikeymoon1
    @mikeymoon1 7 років тому +13

    Blueprint 3 was the shit in like 9th grade. Watch The Throne, and Magna Carta was cold too.

  • @mykdube
    @mykdube 7 років тому +49

    hahahaha "the 700 Joe Budden fans"

  • @binwahli9524
    @binwahli9524 4 роки тому +13

    KANYE HAS ALOT MORE CLASSICS...AND MOST OF JAY Zs CLASSICS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH KANYE'S PRODUCTION....JAY Z'S THE RAPPER,KANYE'S THE RAP ARTIST..JOE'S MY GUY...BUT I TOTALLY DISAGREE... KANYE IS A CLASSIC ARTIST AND HAS WAY MORE CLASSICS THEN JAY Z AND YE IS WAY MORE IMPACTFUL.

  • @ronharrodjr
    @ronharrodjr 3 роки тому +7

    808s and heartbreaks is a classic

  • @MrReece9
    @MrReece9 7 років тому +245

    Wale hurt AF right now. Nigga work his tail off and nobody mentions him among classics. lol

    • @allstarwook
      @allstarwook 7 років тому +4

      MoRico27 😂😂

    • @jcashkingofdamajors
      @jcashkingofdamajors 7 років тому +3

      facts 😂

    • @TheDonYG
      @TheDonYG 7 років тому +22

      MoRico27 Ambition, def' Attention Deficit, Album About Nothing are classics of Wale. I swear, if Wale dies, stupid haters and motherfuckers gonna start opening their ears and realize how much of an emcee Wale is. Its sad, Wale is one of few black mainstream under rated rappers who tries to follow in 2pac's footsteps. Wale is Nigerian, he studied his history if he raps about the system, and his race's history, people can say Pac and Wale are somewhat similar. The song Black is Gold, nigga, thats lowkey the modern day Keep Ya Head Up, BUT NOBODY KNOWS THAT SONG BECAUSE MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE DJ AKADEMIKS DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT WALE. (In my Joe Budden angry, yelling voice)

    • @benjaminpenney7150
      @benjaminpenney7150 7 років тому +11

      MoRico27 he trash

    • @MrReece9
      @MrReece9 7 років тому +5

      Benjamin Penney He ass cheeks.

  • @ThePainKilleRZz
    @ThePainKilleRZz 7 років тому +45

    10:13 "THAT'S HOW CLASSICS GO DICKFACE" so true

  • @cairoxl5693
    @cairoxl5693 5 років тому +12

    Rewatched this WHOLE episode. These are the hip hop convos that are needed. It’s like sitting in a barber shop

  • @biglmixedwithjid17
    @biglmixedwithjid17 5 років тому +2

    12:09 to see joe knck down that orange juice by his foot

  • @PayneKrunk
    @PayneKrunk 7 років тому +67

    swear i thought akademiks was bout to cry at 7:56

    • @brunosilvestrin9323
      @brunosilvestrin9323 6 років тому +1

      looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

    • @nurangetv
      @nurangetv 6 років тому +1

      yoletsgetpizza dog......thats hilarious!!! U a fool

  • @TheJaymac12
    @TheJaymac12 7 років тому +48

    Akademiks dead ass look like the frog meme

    • @elenam3798
      @elenam3798 5 років тому

      Basic Person his name is Pepe you uncultured swine

  • @eyezzsodrppy7124
    @eyezzsodrppy7124 7 років тому +9

    This is how hip hop heads argue lol I love this show

  • @ADandyGuyInSpace
    @ADandyGuyInSpace 2 роки тому +4

    Still to this day 1 of the best videos on the internet!! Complex really dropped the bag with Joe and his entertainment value....

  • @Mrzombie231
    @Mrzombie231 7 років тому +81

    damm i love how joe is so passionate about hip hop

  • @twitterchampagne8601
    @twitterchampagne8601 7 років тому +15

    7:58 Akademics look like he trying so hard to hold back tears 😂

    • @omarlionheart
      @omarlionheart 7 років тому

      Twitter Champagne hell yeah

    • @jcooltght
      @jcooltght 7 років тому

      Twitter Champagne LMAOOOOO

  • @marsaydavis5454
    @marsaydavis5454 6 років тому +24

    Classic = timeless

    • @jordanb3120
      @jordanb3120 6 років тому

      LA Gaming It's opinion tho to

    • @georgefaux2154
      @georgefaux2154 5 років тому +6

      And 808’s is more relevant than ever while travis scott is the biggest artist

    • @cheesecakelasagna
      @cheesecakelasagna 5 років тому +2

      @@georgefaux2154 but I reckon Travis would probably be forgotten in years to come, Kanye not.

    • @georgefaux2154
      @georgefaux2154 5 років тому +1

      CheesecakeLasagna I know but that’s not my point, 808s is 11 years old and the game are using its sound, if that ain’t before its time and a timeless classic idk what is

    • @nalimlattarai2873
      @nalimlattarai2873 4 роки тому

      CheesecakeLasagna mo

  • @MrShawnj97
    @MrShawnj97 6 років тому +16

    Dmx it’s dark and hell is hot

  • @amandagold1106
    @amandagold1106 7 років тому +25

    Joe Budden goes from screaming to laughing to screaming again in .2 seconds

  • @sbrooks904
    @sbrooks904 7 років тому +22

    Lost in the world is a fucking classic song what is he talkin about?!? I'm triggered bro

    • @young_raymond47
      @young_raymond47 7 років тому +2

      Honestly; my favourite song from my all time favourite artist on my all time favourite album and this nigga said it cannot be on a classic album; but asserted that an album with 'Drunk and Hot Girls' is an undisputed classic? Fuck that shit sideways.

    • @ogcookies9728
      @ogcookies9728 7 років тому

      Young_Raymond one song doesn't fuck up a whole album lol

    • @saqib7965
      @saqib7965 7 років тому +1

      Beautiful song

  • @seanjohn1610
    @seanjohn1610 6 років тому +11

    Kanye has 3 classics college dropout late reg and my beautiful dark twisted Fantasy

  • @Mccarter1000
    @Mccarter1000 5 років тому +4

    You can really feel the love / hate vibes , this was EVERYDAY STRUGGLE at its best 👌🏾

  • @estlaz4813
    @estlaz4813 7 років тому +37

    Considering that Kanye was a big part of 2 Jay Z classic albums,then you gotta give it to him.

  • @billylynch9895
    @billylynch9895 7 років тому +46

    Joe came out the womb as a Oldhead.

    • @Maal7432
      @Maal7432 7 років тому +2

      Billy Lynch It's annoying. Lmao

  • @kjo2130
    @kjo2130 3 роки тому +3

    Jay:
    Reasonable doubt
    Blueprint
    Black album
    Vol 2
    4:44
    Kanye:
    College dropout
    Late registration
    Graduation
    My beautiful dark twisted fantasy

  • @maxzheng9713
    @maxzheng9713 6 років тому +4

    7:57 for a split second i thought ak was gon cry 😂

  • @cloroxbleach2079
    @cloroxbleach2079 7 років тому +27

    MBDTF was a dope album definitely kanye's best work

  • @davidsimpson1905
    @davidsimpson1905 7 років тому +33

    Sonically

  • @Mark18Martin
    @Mark18Martin 7 років тому +2

    Nadeska was so drained after the shouting match..she just wanted to get out of there hahahahah

  • @gaberogido7038
    @gaberogido7038 4 роки тому +4

    Joe is bright red the whole fucking time

  • @aaronb4407
    @aaronb4407 7 років тому +23

    Can't tell me nothing 🔥🔥🔥🔥 my fav Kanye west song

  • @Kovu787
    @Kovu787 7 років тому +14

    From 2000-2017
    1. Blueprint
    2. Mmlp
    3. The eminem show
    4. College dropout
    5. Relapse
    6. TPAB
    7. Gkmc
    8. Take care
    9. Carter III
    My personal classics

    • @sebastienc.2257
      @sebastienc.2257 6 років тому +3

      Well it’s your personals so I won’t write anything negative

    • @tomaslaskavy653
      @tomaslaskavy653 2 роки тому

      Relapse is not classic but Recovery is

    • @derekduram4514
      @derekduram4514 Рік тому

      @@tomaslaskavy653recovery is commercial trash lol

    • @tomaslaskavy653
      @tomaslaskavy653 Рік тому

      @@derekduram4514 you are lucky that you are saying that to me on internet

  • @omgwavy3823
    @omgwavy3823 7 років тому +3

    A classic album is a album with longevity. When you listen to it it doesn't sound dated or like it's a product of its time. It has to transcend its time to be a classic.

  • @ashconbeats8414
    @ashconbeats8414 2 роки тому +3

    Graduation is a classic for sure!

  • @alwayssttu301
    @alwayssttu301 7 років тому +51

    y'all better start letting my baby Nadeska get a word in.... talk ya shit beautiful!!!

  • @marsiarochelin
    @marsiarochelin 7 років тому +20

    "The Love Below" reference yassssss Joe Budden be Knowing!!!

  • @brian-yt4re
    @brian-yt4re 7 років тому +1

    Love the passion

  • @CRedd9830
    @CRedd9830 6 років тому +2

    Below The Heavens is definitely a classic one of my top 10 favorite albums of all time

  • @Zephead10
    @Zephead10 7 років тому +9

    7:58 Akademiks looks like he wants to cry LMAO

  • @Kingsec10
    @Kingsec10 7 років тому +17

    Juvenile's 400 Degrees #Classic

  • @Nino-zg4ux
    @Nino-zg4ux 3 роки тому +2

    Man I miss this shit

  • @kqvinhd1998
    @kqvinhd1998 7 років тому +1

    A classic in the industry is an LP that is played years after it's released and MBDTF is DEFINITELY on a lot of people's playlists still.