And it only took 4+ years for the Interborough Rapid Transit Company to build the original subway from City Hall Loop to 96th Street. What did they know way back then that we've lost touch with today?
It was built on a budget, easier construction. It was cut and cover back then, shallow digging. Today, it’s big digs, tunnel-boring machines, and a lot more infrastructure to get through.
Several of the above comments are correct. Requirements for all components to be sourced locally, additional overhead for DEI, much higher safety standards all contribute. Lack of cut-and-cover opportunity is also definitely harmful to the speed. Labor has also gotten way more expensive, due to NYC being much more expensive to live overall, even adjusted for inflation. Existing infrastructure is also a concern, but not the dealbreaker here.
Do you mean the 4/5/6? That's on a completely different avenue (Lex for UES). It wouldn't be called the 2nd avenue line if it just used existing tunnels to travel down Lexington Ave. right?
@@joecurry382 no I think its better if the seven expands to the transit deserts of Byside, College point or white stone in north eastern Queens; since there are multiple other lines in WTC. and there is a lot of people in Northeastern Queens that work in Flushing /LIC For staten Island I think the its better to extend the train Lines in Lower Manhattan or the trains that is found in Western Brooklyn.
That part actually I believe was done many years prior the major part of the issues from the 70s lack of Funding was the 125 street corridor which is also a Earthquake Ridge so that this part would be the time consuming part as well as the Engineering feat and simply go back to Midtown and downtown which already has tracks there lade out from the 50 60 and 70s there the only thing they would need to check for would be structural damages and if it would match the depth of the New line already installed
It was supposed to replace the service lost when the 2nd Ave. El and the 3rd Ave El were torn down. It is supposed to run from Lower Manhattan to Harlem. I'm 83 years old. I strongly doubt that I'll see that.
The Q T trains is definitely gonna happen running across west side 125 and then 137 street to connect to the 1 Broadway line I'm telling you Another thing is definitely gonna is the Thrid Avenue Elevated line and ninth Ave Elevated line I'm telling you that right now
As a foreigner, I may understand this wrong, but shouldn't this money be used to improve the overall system rather than this? From pictures, to news outlets and Content Creators talking, the NYC Subway is in a very poor state of repair, so building this doesn't seem like it should be a priority. I may be wrong though, so please feel free to correct and/or state your opinion
Most of the actual infrastructure itself is in a good state of repair(even the signalling is, but the signalling is just really outdated), just the actual stations themselves are not and are usually somewhat dirtry or in other stations unmaintained. The mta and nyc government just see it as opportunity to create new stations that are same quality as the nessecary infrastructure as stations are the first thing you see, it looks better for the leaders who make it, and it looks better for new subway riders in that area.
There are many areas in NYC that are in serious need of transit. The 2nd Ave subway line this would help the 4, 5 & 6 Trains along Lexington Ave would have less people on it because they would be on the Q instead so this is very very needed and long overdue. There will always be money to maintain the system, NYC need to expand the subway system just as much as they need to maintain it. This is great news for NYC.
@@CraigFThompson There is no reason construction should take as long as it does in the US. Something is structurally wrong with the system for it to be so slow.
That would make the R route too long and I have a better plan that can get what you want first we send the R line via West End and the B and D would run to 59th St with the B running on the Sea Beach tracks. This means that the D Train will be the route doing that and it would be a shorter route as with my plan the D would end at 168th St and the A would take over the route to Norwood.
THIS IS STUPID! The line should continue on into the Bronx, and up to Co-op City, where it'll meet the extension of the "D" train to 205th street. There's a very nasty earthquake fault along 125th street, bisecting the foundation for the Manhattan tower of the Triborough Bridge; this is the same fault line bridged by the original IRT at 125th street.
@@durece100It isn't a matter of being "NIMBY"; the line would actually make much more sense if it were extended into the Bronx, eventually making its way to Co-op City, to meet up with the extended "D" train.... 125th street contains a very serious earthquake fault line along its entire length, btw....
The T trains still could definitely replace the furmer 8 Thrid Ave Elevated line up to Gun hill road Clearmount Webster Boston road Bronx making the 8 Thrid Ave Elevated line stops in the south Bronx.
You know the 6 Pelham line is closer to co op city mall because they are definitely gonna have the metro North Connecticut trains returning back to Pennsylvania station Manhattan Hunts point moriss parkchester and co op city.
They're spending billions for fancy stations yet they only have 2 tracks. Not even a third track for some kind of one-way express service. What are they even doing...
Such an extension would've made much more sense than turning onto 125th street, which actually contains a very serious earthquake fault line along its entire length. This fault bisects the arch bridge at 125th and Broadway and crosses into Queens, bisecting the foundation of the Manhattan tower of the Triborough Bridge (which actually has a bridge of its own,spanning the fault line.). I have this version of the 2nd avenue line becoming the 3rd avenue line, eventually making its way over to Co-op City, where it'd meet up with an extension of the "D" train to 205th street (Norwood)
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Can we just admire how instead of just saying "Q train" he said "R160 Q Train".
And it only took 4+ years for the Interborough Rapid Transit Company to build the original subway from City Hall Loop to 96th Street. What did they know way back then that we've lost touch with today?
It was built on a budget, easier construction. It was cut and cover back then, shallow digging. Today, it’s big digs, tunnel-boring machines, and a lot more infrastructure to get through.
why so deep though
@@drakesessions3544 I think it’s to do it to avoid damaging existing infrastructure. Maybe safety also, not sure.
Several of the above comments are correct. Requirements for all components to be sourced locally, additional overhead for DEI, much higher safety standards all contribute. Lack of cut-and-cover opportunity is also definitely harmful to the speed. Labor has also gotten way more expensive, due to NYC being much more expensive to live overall, even adjusted for inflation. Existing infrastructure is also a concern, but not the dealbreaker here.
@@kayaguvendi thanks for filling in the gaps 👌
I always knew this was the end game plan. Since many years ago when they announced and completed phase 1. This is great 👏.
tunnels and stations structures already exist from 96st to 116st. Why it takes so long and cost a lot to complete the project 😅
Exactly lol that’s insane
More excuses for more money
Do you mean the 4/5/6? That's on a completely different avenue (Lex for UES). It wouldn't be called the 2nd avenue line if it just used existing tunnels to travel down Lexington Ave. right?
Why is it that construction costs are much higher in New York City than almost anywhere else?!
There should be Platform Screen Doors so no one would get pushed or shoved into the tracks
The 7 line should be expanded to the WTC.
No it should be Expanded through out the City with a terminal in Staten Island and one in Throggs Neck
That’s a nice dream
No it should be expanded to Hoboken NJ
@@camera9024 great Idea but then I want Northern NJ to finally become the 6th Borough and apart of NYC metro region
@@joecurry382 no I think its better if the seven expands to the transit deserts of Byside, College point or white stone in north eastern Queens; since there are multiple other lines in WTC. and there is a lot of people in Northeastern Queens that work in Flushing /LIC
For staten Island I think the its better to extend the train Lines in Lower Manhattan or the trains that is found in Western Brooklyn.
Should’ve be expanded on 2nd Ave in midtown instead.
That part actually I believe was done many years prior the major part of the issues from the 70s lack of Funding was the 125 street corridor which is also a Earthquake Ridge so that this part would be the time consuming part as well as the Engineering feat and simply go back to Midtown and downtown which already has tracks there lade out from the 50 60 and 70s there the only thing they would need to check for would be structural damages and if it would match the depth of the New line already installed
It was supposed to replace the service lost when the 2nd Ave. El and the 3rd Ave El were torn down. It is supposed to run from Lower Manhattan to Harlem. I'm 83 years old. I strongly doubt that I'll see that.
@@cats0182 as well as the 9th and 11th Ave Els during the turn of the century throughout the City really
The Q T trains is definitely gonna happen running across west side 125 and then 137 street to connect to the 1 Broadway line I'm telling you Another thing is definitely gonna is the Thrid Avenue Elevated line and ninth Ave Elevated line I'm telling you that right now
@@leecornwell5632 I think there's a part of it that actually goes to the Bronx and either Throggs Neck or Co-op City
The F train should have been extended to as far as Little Neck Parkway/Hillside Avenue and the E train up to Hempstead Ave/Springfield Boulevard.
Maybe to Long Island
I predict something will be discovered of historical significance
Much more like GEOLOGICAL significance; 125th street follows an earthquake fault line....
😂😂😂😂😂😂 cars will be flying before they finish this project 😂😂
Maybe we will have less of the other people here that's all
When it comes to the MTA the rule of thumb is to always double the expected cost. $7billion? Ok so then expect $14 billion
They should've married it to the 1train or continue to the north bronx.
As a foreigner, I may understand this wrong, but shouldn't this money be used to improve the overall system rather than this? From pictures, to news outlets and Content Creators talking, the NYC Subway is in a very poor state of repair, so building this doesn't seem like it should be a priority. I may be wrong though, so please feel free to correct and/or state your opinion
The money called for this (White ppl)
i agree but the 456 is the busiest subway lines are very overcrowded so this is needed to relieve congestion but yeah the system is shit
@@Chris-po9lk ita moving to the city that’s making it bad and these houses being torn down for a extra building
Most of the actual infrastructure itself is in a good state of repair(even the signalling is, but the signalling is just really outdated), just the actual stations themselves are not and are usually somewhat dirtry or in other stations unmaintained. The mta and nyc government just see it as opportunity to create new stations that are same quality as the nessecary infrastructure as stations are the first thing you see, it looks better for the leaders who make it, and it looks better for new subway riders in that area.
There are many areas in NYC that are in serious need of transit. The 2nd Ave subway line this would help the 4, 5 & 6 Trains along Lexington Ave would have less people on it because they would be on the Q instead so this is very very needed and long overdue. There will always be money to maintain the system, NYC need to expand the subway system just as much as they need to maintain it. This is great news for NYC.
Another waste of billions of dollars! That money could be put to lowering fares or keeping it stable.
Yet Trains on the Lexington Avenue line would be less crowded.
Better investment than the Boston Big Dig, or global conquest to subsidize the red state god, guns, and gasoline religion.
EIGHT YEARS! That's enough time to build a network of lines.
....In other cities with far less challenging geology....
@@CraigFThompson There is no reason construction should take as long as it does in the US. Something is structurally wrong with the system for it to be so slow.
R train should extend over to Staten Island or CSI
That would make the R route too long and I have a better plan that can get what you want first we send the R line via West End and the B and D would run to 59th St with the B running on the Sea Beach tracks. This means that the D Train will be the route doing that and it would be a shorter route as with my plan the D would end at 168th St and the A would take over the route to Norwood.
2 and 5 maybe go into sheepshead bay Knapp bay by da water waves 🌊
Maybe put one by kingsboro bch and kings plaza and aviator
THIS IS STUPID! The line should continue on into the Bronx, and up to Co-op City, where it'll meet the extension of the "D" train to 205th street.
There's a very nasty earthquake fault along 125th street, bisecting the foundation for the Manhattan tower of the Triborough Bridge; this is the same fault line bridged by the original IRT at 125th street.
2 and 5 train should be extended to KP
Maybe the 4 train as well
Please.. by the time second avenue line is done… I’ll be a senior citizen or DEAD!!
I am afraid the Second Avenue is useless unless they extend it to the Bronx or upper Manhattan.
Why did you say second avenue
subway is useless? Don't be a nimby person.
@@durece100It isn't a matter of being "NIMBY"; the line would actually make much more sense if it were extended into the Bronx, eventually making its way to Co-op City, to meet up with the extended "D" train....
125th street contains a very serious earthquake fault line along its entire length, btw....
The T trains still could definitely replace the furmer 8 Thrid Ave Elevated line up to Gun hill road Clearmount Webster Boston road Bronx making the 8 Thrid Ave Elevated line stops in the south Bronx.
You know the 6 Pelham line is closer to co op city mall because they are definitely gonna have the metro North Connecticut trains returning back to Pennsylvania station Manhattan Hunts point moriss parkchester and co op city.
Interesting it’s only gonna be a local service with no express service
They're spending billions for fancy stations yet they only have 2 tracks. Not even a third track for some kind of one-way express service. What are they even doing...
125 lexington avenue a short walk has express..
So. This subway tunnel project. Will be completed by. 2030. Hmmmmm. Who cares
And half the tunnel alredy built. They robbing us blind
At least we know YOU DON'T....
Why they didn’t expand to the Bronx
Via 3rd Ave In The BX
Such an extension would've made much more sense than turning onto 125th street, which actually contains a very serious earthquake fault line along its entire length. This fault bisects the arch bridge at 125th and Broadway and crosses into Queens, bisecting the foundation of the Manhattan tower of the Triborough Bridge (which actually has a bridge of its own,spanning the fault line.).
I have this version of the 2nd avenue line becoming the 3rd avenue line, eventually making its way over to Co-op City, where it'd meet up with an extension of the "D" train to 205th street (Norwood)
They are definitely gonna wind up rebuilding the brand new Thrid Avenue Elevated line in the south Bronx I'm telling you.
Another thing is definitely gonna happen. The 6 Pelham line is definitely gonna be extended to co op city mall barto Bronx I'm telling you.
@@leecornwell5632 You tell us a helluva lot; WHERE did you obtain YOUR info?!
T train is coming soon 😂😅
supposedly theres a T train coming too
In about 50 yrs at this rate
Was 50 years a joke tho I think 5 years.
More gentrification of East Harlem?
It needs it
i hope
When i was a kid ,East Harlem was all Italian....
Cant gentrify what you don’t own
@@benjybronk7718 pleasant Ave to 1st Ave every other Ave was others
Here comes imminent domain
Ngl the station look the same man
…. In 8 years yall lol
That's the beginning of the and of the poor people living there, they will be getting priced out within the next 10 years.
White lol move here and y’all upgrade it that’s funny
Meh 🫤
oh great... more crazies and homeless getting into subway without paying
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Seven to eight years means we'l see the starship Enterprise before we see this new extension
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