Apple Macintosh Classic review & demo
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2013
- Introduced in October 1990, the Classic was the first Macintosh computer to sell for under $1000. It was really just a restyled and cost-reduced version of the Macintosh SE, with no new features or improvements. The Classic, and the following Classic II, were most popular with schools, who liked its all-in-one design and did not require a high performance machine.
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I was born in 89 and I remember using these exact models in our computer labs in the mid 90s.
we had these and the outdated, at the time apple II's
.they taught us to "give your computer a hug to turn it on" ahahaha
That’s the cutest thing, hug the computer to switch it on ❤ tho the reach around power switch can be annoying depending on where your computer is located
Bought that model new in 1992, loved that computer. It was perfect for college, not much use beyond microsoft word. It ultimately got stolen, I was very sad about that.
I have a Macintosh color classic and I still can't get it working
That was probably the birthday of somebody at Apple. They had a habit of doing that. For example, if the clock battery in a Mac goes dead, instead of defaulting to 1/1/1980 like PCs do, the date defaults to Steve Jobs' birthday.
I fell in love with this in kindergarten, 1991. Loved computer lab. Then I went to a brand new school in 4th grade with Windows computers and never looked back lol
As I mentioned in the video, there are already many other videos demonstrating old versions of the Macintosh operating system and the software that was included with it, so I didn't want to cover that in depth because it would make this video too long.
The whole point of having a classic computer is to NOT have the modern experience while using it!
PC makers were doing the same thing at the time, by using low-end CPUs like the 386SX, 486SX, and 486SLC. So, yes, Apple did tricks like using a 32-bit 33 MHz CPU with a 16-bit, 16 MHz data bus, but comparable PCs were still using the 16-bit, 8 MHz ISA data bus!
Always great to see the innards of these old classic computers. Excellent video, thanks!
I remember these machines in high school, good old days
Good video! Getting one of these Classics in few days. Can't wait!
This video is a classic. Just been given one so came here to learn about it. Answers all my questions about it. Thanks.
We had these in our classroom back in 5th grade. I learned to touch type on one of these. :D Actually, we probably had Classic IIs. Still, these make me feel so nostalgic.
I wish I still had my Mac classic.
It wasn't very powerful but it was rock solid. And had a great missile command game.
I remember the Macintosh Plus, which had a small 9" screen and a diskette drive. I used it in a printing school to "major" in Advanced Desktop Publishing, minus the typewriting subject. The Macintosh Plus was networked to a LaserWriter monochrome laser printer. The Macintosh software menu was the first user-friendly kind I ever used. Years later, Microsoft Windows began to come on keel with the Macintosh.
Amen to that part about UA-cam at the end... Still relevant today, and I doubt those statements will lose their relevance anytime soon!
I remember seeing these kinds of computers in the early 1990s when I was in early elementary school. They were of the type with one disk drive and keyboard mouse ports, so they must have been these ones, or maybe the 'Classic 2' because they had good sound including voice samples. I remember that two of the units in the computer room were color models with separate monitors and everyone raced to get to those ones first. A couple of students tried to get the fastest times on the typing tutor programs.
Great Video, this was my first Computer ❤️❤️❤️
Great Review!
They very first thing I did with these macs was to adjust the monitor magnets to get rid of the blank black areas on the CRT. Just be aware than when you do that the screen will no longer be exactly 72 dpi.
The ROM OS was a secret feature. It was probably written in by a developer to make HD-less systems easier to use internally. Memory was expensive back then though and it was probably only cost effect because system 6 was tiny and they had some space left over.
System 6 and earlier where written in assembly and optimized for the 68000 but System 7 was written in C and was really intended for 68020 and 68030 machines. I suspect that Apple only made it available to these older systems so that they could be used with the new networking features.
Apple had a good thing going with these compact systems. I wish that had produced a decent color model. The Color Classic was a gimped LC and had a limited production run. The Color Classic II was a better system but still not as powerful as the old SE/30.
Why stretch the image? They were never meant to have any overscan
*Great* review. No one knows about the ROM disk. Thanks. Really really cool. Wait! You pulled out ALL the Easter eggs! Nice!
I love it! This was my very first computer. Used to play some fighter jet game on it. Did some occasional homework, too. I guess maybe.
Sweet, can’t wait to get mine!
Great video! You got that Macintosh Classic for a steal! I've looked for an Apple IIc on Ebay, and the cheapest price I could find was around $150.00. Back in the late 1980's, my Dad got a Macintosh 512K. It was great, except for the fact that we got "Sorry A System Error Occurred" messages more times then I could count. I didn't know that you could use a CD-ROM drive with any model of Macintosh!
I remember using one of these over at a friend's house when I was younger. This, and the Power Macintosh 8500 (which was also at this same house) were amongst the first Apple computers that I ever used.
Very good informations, thanks for sharing.
I have one of these that was handed down to us (the family) when I was really young from my Grandfather when he upgraded to an LCIII. I still have it and it runs well. When it was given to us it ran System 7.0.1. Eventually the system needed to be reloaded (I started having strange bugs for some reason) I ended up downloading a version of 6.0.8 (the latest system 6 to be released). This version of the system runs much better on the Classic and seems to be more compatible as System 7 was more designed for the more powerful colour macs available at the time. For software, the Macintosh Garden website has a great range of old macintosh software that will run on the classic. You will need a USB floppy disk drive and have the ability for format the floppy disks in HFS for it to work.
This model was the first computer I ever used! It was my dad's work computer, and he'd bring it home every so often.
In 1994 I remember working on one of this while working for a local newspaper. In 2002, I bought one from ebay in which eventually stopped working when only it would show a checkerboard screen. In 2006, I bought another that would end up doing the exact same thing… I guess it's not meant for me to have a working one. However, my Mystic CC and SE are two my favorites and are still working to this day. Another two of my favorites are the Powerbook 180c and the 145b, in which each were the top of the line in their day… But neither of them will power up without a charged battery and I think I blew the keyboard chip on each drying to do so.
19:00
Things that don't force updates nor nag you with immutable notifications, should advertise that as a feature these days because it's becoming the exception.
Adjustment labels:
three at the top down:horizontal size,vertical size,virtical centering.
Two black off center: contrast,focus
Two at the bottom:brightness, horizontal centering
@Joel C Which parts do you need?
If you have a Mac that you use you should download the Mactracker app from the App Store on your computer. It tells you everything about every product made by Apple it's free and is 38mb.
i remember these comng into the colledge i woked at as a caretaker in 1990 they had around 100 untis deleivered . and the IT techincians setting them up from the colledge was so excited. amazing what 24 years later does.
You went to COLLEGE but cant spell it right
I loved my Classic II.
It is a Kensington "Mouse in a Box". I use it because it is more comfortable and the button has a nicer click feel than the official Apple mouse for these computers.
got this off of ebay for 30 bucks? Not bad.
Wow...nice collection of RAM chips!! Would be fun to see a video of you showing off some of your older RAM chips and talking about what computer it came from, how big they are....etc......I still got a few older RAM chips around here that are 1MB and 2MB chips
My elementary school had a few of those in the library... I've never used one though, we always just used the Apple II's, since all the educational games we played were on 5¼" floppies.
I do like this video, you did well as usual, but I'm a bit surprised you spent so little time deomonstrating the software on the maching, showing us things like MacWrite and MacPaint in some detail and even showing some early games on the machine, as you did with the TRS-80 and Tandy 1000 to some extent.
My first classic Mac was a Mac Classic. Got an SE FDHD now.
I love the oldschool Macintosh. I have one myself.
This whas my very first mac i had ever owned back in 2001
I had a high school teacher who used a mac classic until 2000 or so. He must have been a mac enthusiast as he had a couple of older macs at school which he had brought from home. A 68000 and a black and white display was pretty low-end in 1990 though!
Back in the day i also did a ram and hdd upgrade, nut if you put the computer face down on a bed and you tap the sides of the case, the case will seperate without the use of a flathead screwdriver ;)
I used to use these in Grade school early 90's had no internet at the time
This was the start of when Apple began introducing too many different models with only minor differences between them, or even no difference at all -- for example, the Classic was also sold to the consumer market as the Performa 200. It was a confusing mess, and it didn't get fixed until Steve Jobs got back in charge around 1997 and drastically reduced the model lineup.
Apple put out some barely adequate machines in the early 1990s. The Classic II was hamstrung compared to an SE/30, and the original LC was a 68020. The LC sort of like the original huge Mac II, but I think that it had some deliberate issues making it slower than it had to be, too. The case designs were elegant, but Apple was showing some evil empire signs at the time.
My high school had these machines.
Nice. Thanks.
pretty cool how it still works after all that time and the condition.
And now how we use 8 , 16 and even 32GB ram now days.
a very nice machine!
It is starting to show early signs of capacitor failure: the audio is much quieter than it should be (even though the Classic's speaker is known to not be as loud as the Plus or SE, the sound on this one is barely audible), and the clock only runs when the computer is turned off. When it's on, the time displayed in Alarm Clock and the Control Panel is frozen -- the seconds don't count up!
I wish my computer had 4 Mb of RAM...
Ok, so you're happy running windows 3.1 then?
Windows 3.1 enhanced mode is definitely not terrible with 4MB of RAM. It was normal for new 386DX computers at the time (1992).
This reminds me of being at school.
The brazillian Unitron Mac 512 (that mac clone that was release down here) did indeed had the original rom in it. In fact, Apple itself got a hold of a couple of those and analyzed it themselves
This reminds me of the Macintosh Classic box sitting in a local high school. I want to know where that thing went... It would be really cool to get a machine like this.
i remember using these in preschool up to first grade. i loved playing connect the dots on that thing. But then the IMac G3's came along and the school district disposed of these
Windows 8 on a Mac!? Steve Jobs would be spinning in his grave at the thought of that...
3:56 the top one is for the vertical hold.
You can add a sd-2-scsi and print your document as a postcript file then export it on your modern computer and print it again (but for real this time). I tried with mini vmac (which emulate a macintosh plus) and it is surprisely great and modern, fonts are not pixelized at all at 600dpi. It was a great DTP computer back in time, far more advanced if you compare with a XT machine running DOS. Unfortunately, 8 mhz still not fast enough to run more than Excel 4.0 (which is primitive today). The SE/30 was just perfect on the other side.
Now Windows 10 and macos are both equivalents but back in these days each system had an advantage over the competition (Atari/Mac/PC)... Interesting to see how technologies are way more accessible today. A 3-in-1 laser printer - fax - scanner cost less than 250$ and back in the 80s the price was higher than the computer itself (thousands dollars).
Can U please do a video on OS/2. I first discovered OS/2 when I went to the BIOS on my old Windows 2000 SP4 desktop where there was a setting that said this-
Boot to OS/2- 64MB.
I left the setting at no and I looked it up and found out that it was an IBM operating system meant to compete with Windows 3.1. Please do a video on it.
The Mac Classic was my first Mac. I still have it and it works perfectly. I believe it has System 7.0.1 installed. I wish I still had my Quadra 650 though. I loved that Mac. I thought the 040 was a good processor.
Please dont destroy it...if you want that...better sell of gift me it
I didn't have a problem with the naming scheme. That's still common today (model numbers varying based on included software or which retailer sold it). My problem was models like the IIsi, LC, and the entire Centris line that had deliberate performance problems to remind you that you didn't spend enough money.
Oh, you are right! Anyway, there are a few SCSI-to-CompactFlash adapters on the market.
the peanut classic ..awesome
The hard drive is not IDE. It is SCSI.
Maybe the ROM OS is useful for repair and troubleshooting. You can still do that with today's MacBooks to repair disks and even re-download the operating system over wi-fi, and use a web browser (without any SSD, optical disk or hard disk installed).
The setup seems similar to the setup I use on MAME/MESS for the MacPlus (4 MB RAM , System 6.0.x, etc)
That's pretty slick having a copy of the OS in ROM. Would be great if for some reason the OS got corrupted on the floppy or HD and you would need to get files off your disks.
I have classic sitting in my closet. I may see if I can get it working. I have a LC475 that I use right now.
Hi, this thing is really cool, i'd like one myself!
The Classic is claimed to be 5% faster than the SE and 25% faster than the Plus, and the Quantum ProDrives are far superior to the slow, noisy, and unreliable MiniScribe and Rodime hard drives that the SE came with. So if you don't need the expansion slot, the Classic does have some advantages.
Good vid!
Any aspirations on acquiring a "Color Classic" series mac? Mystic and Taki upgrades are also good on those
What are you talking about? The Motorola 68000 is a 32-bit CPU with a 24-bit address bus and a 16-bit external data bus. Because of the 24-bit address bus, it can only use up to 16 MB of RAM. And of course, Windows won't run at all on a 680x0-series CPU.
Tried to power up my Mac Classic, a small beep but no video. Tried re-setting memory card on side of MB and tried two different HD's but still no video.
I noticed that the clock wasn't advancing in the control panel, does that have to do with the electrolytic caps. leaking? Like in that later video when you go to replace them from that MacCaps group.
Yes.
Big congrats! Macintosh for $10 is awesome! I am looking for own Macintosh for years but did not found it for reasonable price incl. shipping to Europe... :( Enjoy it!!!
+Plaid Pete Hi. Many thanks for message. Can you send me some pictures to email please? You will be so kind. indians at xsmail dot com Many thanks.
Got mine on a local listing for 40$ as is. Fixed it up and it runs perfectly, absolutely no yellowing on it either.
For some reason all of my Classics have a small port cover to the left of all of the other ports (SCSI, floppy, etc.) and if you remove it, which you can do only by getting inside of it, then you see it’s covering an unused mic port hole. What production date does yours have?
Probably the later Classics used the same case mold as the Classic II, which did include a microphone input.
The thing that annoys me about the Classic II, that other then maybe the Color Classic (which I feel is a bit too large to be called a compact mac) is that it's the only compact mac to have that mic port. The SE/30 does not have one sadly. The Classic II is a gimped version of the SE/30 just as the Classic was a gimped SE. Unlike the SE though, the Classic II was even more gimped. I believe the CPU had a smaller data bus then the SE/30 so it was actually slower then a SE/30. Kind of an awful machine in retrospect. If you had to choose between the Classic II or a SE/30....Get the SE/30. The best compact mac of it's day in my opinion. :P
If only it had a mic jack though. :(
ApacheThunder
Make that "...of *its* day..." -- no apostrophe. :-) Apple was really trying to reduce the cost of their computers in the early '90s, as cheaper PCs were able to run "Mac-like" GUIs and that was cutting into Apple's market share.
got one! it's down in the basement and i fire it up every month or so.lately i'm getting lots of error messages.the LC that i was running Sim Life on just to keep it from getting mildew has quit running at all.
It's probably there to keep down swapping of diskettes. So you boot with your system disk, eject it, put the disk in you want and the computer can access system files from the rom. Swapping floppies was a major problem in early MAC days.Maybe the next time you have it open you can use a system 6 floppy and test my hypothesis. Does this trick work if you have the HD connected? There is nothing to stop you from pushing those keys and hitting the reset button on the side.
I wonder if you could load a newer version of the os on a rom and use the HDD as a storage drive. That would work out great if that was possible.
I already have one.
Seeing this, The 16Mhz 68k in the Mac Portable runs 7.0.1 quite a bit quicker, and I have a few extensions and extras loading up on that machine. I ran 7.1 on a 4MB SE without any issue. It was a joke running 7.5.5 though. You should replace the capacitors on that motherboard as preventive maintenance, its only a matter of time before they start failing. You can also boot into the ROM based OS with the HD connected if you wish.
have you got a Sharp stand up hi fi stereo that played both side of the record vz 3500
Have you ever had any problems with this Classic. Mine went to a checkerboard screen but was fixed by cleaning the logic board but I have a fear that is only a temporary fix. Plus the speaker is broken so the caps are probably dying off.
Also, while I like the classic, I still prefer my Macintosh Plus. It has a certain spark to it that the classic does not imo
changing res would fix the screen?
Command option X O, BOOT WITH COMMAND OPTION X O! :)
You're the reason I found bbishoppcm
if your still alive I'm looking to buy a macintosh but not sure what model. I was thinking of getting the macintosh classic 2 that can connect to the Internet. I want this to primarily have a care for and learn about old computers. any recommendations on what macintosh to get?
westlife doing the mac review? :p
Is the battery from Israel 3,6 Volt ?
The vertical size of the screen is supposed to be a little less then what you adjusted it too. Your machine did seem to have it a tad bit too narrow. A off the factory line Mac had it very close to what yours was originally set to. The same held true for all the compact macs up to the SE/30 and Classic II.
I adjusted it to have an equal border on all four sides. It looks taller than that because my camera angle was viewing it from a higher angle rather than straight-on.
That's the issue. The borders weren't supposed to be equal. There's supposed to be a bit more space on the top/down borders. Every compact mac I've come across was configured this way. :P
nice machine . i hated when the computer os manufacturers started to add bloat ware for system 7 for example .
I just bought a mac classic. When I turn on the grey screen appears but nothing happens after that. There is nothing in the floppy disk drive, so do i need the startup disk? This is my first vintage computer so I am unaware how it works
See this video: ua-cam.com/video/5GivbpvLpm4/v-deo.html
My Classic died a few days ago
Bad caps I guess but I still have my Macintosh Plus
Does it work with 4mb SIMM memory? I wonder if it would go up to 10mb total.
I have an SE/30 :D
Heh heh. Been a long time since I've heard the word Simm chip mentioned.
can you do a demo of the optimod 8100?
Any idea what the most popular and common original style Macintosh model was?
If you mean "original style" as in an all-in-one system with a black & white monitor, then I think the Macintosh Plus was the most popular.
@@vwestlife Okay, thanks!
Lol my Dad has an entire storage room full of these along with color classics, power Macs, old models of iMac, and of course, the first macintosh ever.
Please tell it not to destroy them, if he want tell it that O buy them
+MetalSonicodraco7342 Well they may not work, we forgot to take the batteries out. But if the corrosion hasn't destroyed any mother boards it could still work, and we have replacement batteries. I also only thought that we had an original macintosh, turns out the oldest we have in there are SEs. Which are still really old, not too long after the original.
Why will my Macintosh color classic not start up?