I find the performance of the Tucson 1st Gen to be decent. The traction control is not up to the level of today's systems, but we should not forget that at the time it was really a compromise between all the surfaces on which it had to work. The optimum functioning of traction control can require quite different settings depending on the surface. And finally, the Borg Warner ITM system seems to react quite quickly even though it is one of the oldest systems, even if there have been several generations. Otherwise, you talk about ESP for the Tucson 1st Gen, but there have been so many different configurations with for example no ESP but only TCS...
I was actually quite surprised that ITM is calculating more than just a wheelspin. Open loop, closed loop, wheel speed dependent, vehicle dynamics enhancement - very nice for that old awd system.
yeah thats what i like with our first gen tucson . but ,sadly my dad got rid of its awd system cause its all useless when you're only using it on public road, after hearing what he said I went nuts.
I had an 07 Tucson, it's performance in the snow was quite adequate, about on par with an 04 Volvo XC70. Of course neither could hold a candle to my 04 Subaru Outback, but then again I wouldn't expect it either.
Thank you for this video, I am a proud owner of the first gen Tucson, I just love this car. I live in India, only a few units have been sold here back at that time, because it was costly as it was a CKD unit. Today when I take this car out today everyone actually wonders and ask me that which car is this.
That first gen really surprised me on the diagonal test. Seems like the JM gen did better than the NX4 gen in many of the tests, but the NX4 I felt had a quicker response to slippage. Would love to see the JM against the TL, my 2016 was a beast in the snow.
When I bought my 500X, one thing I was looking for, was a torque converter transmission because I think they are much better than a DCT when you are driving off road, and as I have seen here and in some videos of some Audi and Volkswagen with DSG, I'm sure I was right.
@@giopianta for me, the zf9 it's good enough, it's far away of being perfect but it's not bad. The problems I have found is that it takes to much time to lock the converter. When you want to accelerate from 0km/h it takes to much time to start pushing the car, also in sport mode. When you are driving in auto mode, the transmission let the converter slip to let the car run by it's inertia and if I want that the engine make the car goes slower, I have to put the car in sport mode to make the transmission stop the car. When I am off roading downhill, I have to use the brakes because the convert doesn't lock at low speed and the engine doesn't control the car in that situation. My engine is remaped and I think it makes more torque than the transmission can manage or it's close to the limit. For me it's a good transmission but it has the problems I have wrote. The best thing you can do is to test a car with it and take your conclusion because is my first car with automatic transmission and it can affect to my opinion.
100%!!! DCT is essentially a dual clutch manual transmission with digitally controlled shifter. So, in essence it's a manual transmission. It still relies on friction between a clutch and fly wheel for movement and torque delivery, and friction is bad for when you need to ride the clutch. Torque converter auto tranny's and electric motors don't have a clutch, 1 uses oil and the other uses electricity. MUCH MUCH MUCH smoother operation off-road and on-road!
Pierwszy Tuscon widać że po wyłączeniu ESP traci całkowicie wspomagacze, za to nowy chyba przez nadmiar elektroniki na koniec nie wiedział co się dzieje 😁
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so that means the power or torque of the engine doesn't goes to the wheel as it designed like when you step on the clutch pedal half on a manual transmission car?
I have a question too, as we all know we can remap the ECU and increase the torque and power figures. Is there any option to reconfigure the algorithm of the traction control system and make it work like modern cars?, pls reply
I don't think it's possible. Modern cars calculate more data and much faster, clutch-packs response is much quicker etc. That's all probably too much for old ones.
Without a diff lock the spinning is to be expected. It would be interesting to see if applying the handbrake made a difference to any of the tests. If the handbrake isn’t set up to apply force evenly to both rear wheels this may be an advantage as it would transfer drive to the wheel with the most grip? I have bought a 2005 Tucson as an off road runaround to carry chainsaws etc about it a woodland and I have been very impressed with it all round - a bit of a sleeper car!
Tengo una pregunta. El tucson de primera generación que sacáis en el vídeo ¿tiene ESP? Aquí muchos de primera generación solo tenía TCS. Sería interesante ver cómo se comportan esos. Felicidades por vuestros vídeos.
@@dziz86 Wszystko do uzgodnienia 🙂 Jeśli będzie więcej chętnych - przyjedziemy do Lublina. Jeśli indywidualnie, to możemy spotkać się w Janowie Lubelskim 🙂
İ m using gen 3 2018 tucson. Try to put gas pedal max 2500 rpm. So dct decrease clutch pressure to avoid hotting. İ used at 70-80 cm deep snow. That is not loves diagonal pass. Thanks for you
the ist gen Tucson have smaller tires, while the 4rth gen Tucson have a bigger tires. Thant makes a lot of difference when using that machine for testing. Try slip test using thesame tire size.
It is not possible to use the same tire size, each car must have its own homologated size. Besides it doesn't make much difference, it's about 1 mm difference how they sit in rollers.
Piękny ten nowy Tuskon, te przetłoczenia wzór felg, wygląda jak jakiś Batmobil, szkoda tylko, że napęd na cztery nie jedzie całkiem z 4 kół, tak czy siak wygląd futurystyczny
if you lock the CENTRAL diff, than the front and the rear axle cant move free from each other. that means, that if one of the axles gets power from the engine, then the other one gets automatically power too. because in a normal diff setup, the entire power goes to the wheel with the smallest resistance. that is not neccesary if you are on a normal road, where every wheel has traction, but if one wheel is lifted, then theoretically you couldnt move the car, so e use diff locks. btw the gen.4 tucson dont has an advantage, because it has three diff locks, instead of one.
@@laszlolegendi6453ucson doesn't have center diff at all. There's a clutch-pack, sending power from front to back. Front and rear diffs are open, no lockers.
There is no locker on an awd car. The lock button does not lock but rather informs the car before wheel slip to send some power to the rear. Research awd vs 4wd. 4wd is for off road first and foremost with on road as an after thought. Awd is for on road mainly with off road as an after thought. You can’t drive past 20mph or so with front and rear locked, and you can’t turn with front and rears locked as tires rotate at dif speeds through turns. So for us reg people awd is the better option for snow commuting. But plowing and pulling other cars out of snow 4wd is obviously better. 3 4wd cars include toyota 4 runner, jeep wrangler and ford bronco to name a few.
@@JoshuaHults What lock mode does in modern cars is keeping rear axle permanently engaged up to certain speed, it's not about slippage cause almost every mode has proactive function now, engaging the rear before slippage occurs. When it comes to AWD, 4WD or 4x4 - these are just informal definitions. There are is no formal classification, there are no norms defining which system is which, thus manufacturers use these namings as they want, no matter what system is in the car.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers How? I see no differences. However, why it doesnt pass most tests? It doesnt spin some wheels even when on rollers, i dont get it 🤷🏼♂️
@@avgram4192LOCK mode locks the axles together, it doesn't lock the wheels. Watch the first test with front wheels on rollers - normally there's a front wheelspin first and then car moves forward. But when LOCK is engaged then car moves forward with no front wheelspin.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, i noticed that, if Lock is in relation front/rear, you are right! I just expected more influences from Lock and overall from this car. Its hard to believe, but few days ago i searched for exact this car on your channel (which is amazing btw) and voila! :) Pitty for such poor results
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Na awdwiki jest opis, że 95% momentu trafia na przód, co oznaczałoby, że bez przerwy jakaś część trafia na tył. Znalazłem też ciekawy opis mówiący o czterech trybach pracy tego napędu (open loop, closed loop etc) nie wiem czy również Tucson 1gen ma ten system. Jest tam ciekawy zapis "In high power demand situations, the all-wheel drive system immediately starts engaging the electronically controlled coupling," czy może to oznaczać, że układ wykrywa mocne ruszenie np ze świateł lub dynamiczne pod wzniesienie i od razu mocniej dopnie tył pomimo braku uślizgu kół przednich?
@@piotrekm2867 Wszystko zależy od oprogramowania. Znalazłeś zapewne opis sprzęgła ITM - jeśli Hyundai w pełni skorzystał z softu Borg Warner, to powinno to tak właśnie działać.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Domyślam się, ale takie informacje już ciężko znaleźć. Na filmie widać, że rolki pod przednią osią pozwalają na obrót mniej więcej o 1/4 obrotu koła, natomiast widać, że przy rolkach po jednej stronie auta, przednie i tylne koło zaczynają się kręcić niemalże w tym samym czasie, co mogło by sugerować, że jakaś część momentu faktycznie jest przesyłana na tył od samego początku, a to pozwalało by na znacznie więcej w błocie czy śniegu.
@@piotrekm2867 Dokładnie tak, jak piszesz. Nawet jeśli jest to ~90/10, to koła ruszają prawie jednocześnie. Gdyby obroty silnika były wyższe, to przypuszczalnie tylna oś byłaby jeszcze mocniej dołączona. Jest tylko jeden drobny problem - ITM potrzebuje niewielkiej różnicy obrotów pomiędzy tarczami, żeby mógł działać, czyli tak w 100% nie da się go spiąć przed ruszeniem.
The subaru does far better with locking wheels and sending power to the wheel with grip. However the subaru is ugly as heck. With good tires for conditions any car will be good.
There is zero need to do a 3 roller test on cuvs. Even a 2 roller (1 on each axle) is pushing it. They are not intended to do those types of offroading
There are non-offroad situations where you may be slipping three wheels while fourth is the one that may push the car. And that's what three roller test is about.
Yes but on these sorts of cars the fourth wheel will never provide any drive. Even many capable off readers (think Range Rover classic) cannot lock their front or rear differentials so the outcome would be the same.
I find the performance of the Tucson 1st Gen to be decent. The traction control is not up to the level of today's systems, but we should not forget that at the time it was really a compromise between all the surfaces on which it had to work.
The optimum functioning of traction control can require quite different settings depending on the surface.
And finally, the Borg Warner ITM system seems to react quite quickly even though it is one of the oldest systems, even if there have been several generations.
Otherwise, you talk about ESP for the Tucson 1st Gen, but there have been so many different configurations with for example no ESP but only TCS...
I was actually quite surprised that ITM is calculating more than just a wheelspin. Open loop, closed loop, wheel speed dependent, vehicle dynamics enhancement - very nice for that old awd system.
yeah thats what i like with our first gen tucson . but ,sadly my dad got rid of its awd system cause its all useless when you're only using it on public road, after hearing what he said I went nuts.
ua-cam.com/video/PjPDHN0Nbr4/v-deo.html
Yes, the first gen Tucson is really capable, I too have one, 2006 model MT done 2.3L kms and still going cool. Mine is having only TCS and no ESP
I have on with limited slip diffs, its beast to go, but firt gear is little to fast.
This video proves the point that these are not serious offroaders, but still plenty capable to take you on some unpaved terrain.
I had Tucson gen 1 and it was OK. Not an offroader for sure, but for going to picnic it was enough
La Tucson primera generación es firme, buena y sin tanta cacharra electrónica.
La primera generación es incomparable.
I had an 07 Tucson, it's performance in the snow was quite adequate, about on par with an 04 Volvo XC70. Of course neither could hold a candle to my 04 Subaru Outback, but then again I wouldn't expect it either.
Very good test. Again proof of unsuitability of DCT for offroad. Thank You for the video.
Thank you for this video, I am a proud owner of the first gen Tucson, I just love this car. I live in India, only a few units have been sold here back at that time, because it was costly as it was a CKD unit. Today when I take this car out today everyone actually wonders and ask me that which car is this.
Thanks for the video. Previously I owned 2010 Tucson AWD (ix35) it was enough for slippery roads, but not for offroading
That first gen really surprised me on the diagonal test. Seems like the JM gen did better than the NX4 gen in many of the tests, but the NX4 I felt had a quicker response to slippage.
Would love to see the JM against the TL, my 2016 was a beast in the snow.
When I bought my 500X, one thing I was looking for, was a torque converter transmission because I think they are much better than a DCT when you are driving off road, and as I have seen here and in some videos of some Audi and Volkswagen with DSG, I'm sure I was right.
It's the ZF 9 speed, right?
Do you like it? How is your experience?
@@giopianta for me, the zf9 it's good enough, it's far away of being perfect but it's not bad. The problems I have found is that it takes to much time to lock the converter. When you want to accelerate from 0km/h it takes to much time to start pushing the car, also in sport mode. When you are driving in auto mode, the transmission let the converter slip to let the car run by it's inertia and if I want that the engine make the car goes slower, I have to put the car in sport mode to make the transmission stop the car. When I am off roading downhill, I have to use the brakes because the convert doesn't lock at low speed and the engine doesn't control the car in that situation. My engine is remaped and I think it makes more torque than the transmission can manage or it's close to the limit.
For me it's a good transmission but it has the problems I have wrote. The best thing you can do is to test a car with it and take your conclusion because is my first car with automatic transmission and it can affect to my opinion.
@@cayeti thank you for your answer!
100%!!! DCT is essentially a dual clutch manual transmission with digitally controlled shifter. So, in essence it's a manual transmission. It still relies on friction between a clutch and fly wheel for movement and torque delivery, and friction is bad for when you need to ride the clutch. Torque converter auto tranny's and electric motors don't have a clutch, 1 uses oil and the other uses electricity. MUCH MUCH MUCH smoother operation off-road and on-road!
The old one not bad at all 👌👍
Ewidentnie nowy Tucson wypada lepiej ale Tucson 1 mimo wszystko wypada dużo lepiej od nowej RAV4.
Pierwszy Tuscon widać że po wyłączeniu ESP traci całkowicie wspomagacze, za to nowy chyba przez nadmiar elektroniki na koniec nie wiedział co się dzieje 😁
The first gen looks kind of cute.
Thanks for video.
what does "DCT slipping" means?
DCT: Dual Clutch Transmission. So it mean that not all the revolutions of the engine are going to the wheels
It means that transmission didn't lock the clutch but kept it slipping.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so that means the power or torque of the engine doesn't goes to the wheel as it designed like when you step on the clutch pedal half on a manual transmission car?
@@scu549 Exactly. And when the computer decides to lock the clutch - car easily moves forward.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so basically they have to fix the software for the transmission.
Still havent got your hands on the new skoda octavia / Golf alltrack? Their 6th gen Haldex would be great to be tested👍
Still no volunteers :(
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Maybe you could ask publicly, if there is any volunteers on certain area?😊
Hyundai HTRAC or Suzuki ALLGRIP? Which one you think is better and why?
Here's HTRAC vs All Grip Select:
ua-cam.com/video/yCfh3GhLKZA/v-deo.html
Suzuki system looks to be better tuned, it also has more reliable coupling.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you a lot.
I have a question too, as we all know we can remap the ECU and increase the torque and power figures. Is there any option to reconfigure the algorithm of the traction control system and make it work like modern cars?, pls reply
I don't think it's possible. Modern cars calculate more data and much faster, clutch-packs response is much quicker etc. That's all probably too much for old ones.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers oh ok, thanks for replying
Without a diff lock the spinning is to be expected. It would be interesting to see if applying the handbrake made a difference to any of the tests. If the handbrake isn’t set up to apply force evenly to both rear wheels this may be an advantage as it would transfer drive to the wheel with the most grip? I have bought a 2005 Tucson as an off road runaround to carry chainsaws etc about it a woodland and I have been very impressed with it all round - a bit of a sleeper car!
We tried a few times with a handbrake - for example Mitsubishi Outlander, Toyota Rav4, Subaru Impreza. No effect.
Tengo una pregunta. El tucson de primera generación que sacáis en el vídeo ¿tiene ESP? Aquí muchos de primera generación solo tenía TCS. Sería interesante ver cómo se comportan esos. Felicidades por vuestros vídeos.
If I remember well - it has ESP. I will ask the owner to confirm.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks
I got a gen 1 Tucson in near perfect shape it’s 2024 and I swear it’s between than the gen 4 but it’s v6
Seems like the lock does not actually work does it?
It does. More torque goes to the rear.
Teraz czekam tylko na brakujące testy Tucsona/IX35 GEN 2 vs. GEN 3, w różnych kombinacjach z pierwszą i ostatnią.
A my czekamy na ochotników 🙂
Ix35 możemy w Lublinie przetestować, jeśli uda się ustalić dogodny termin 😎
@@dziz86 Wszystko do uzgodnienia 🙂 Jeśli będzie więcej chętnych - przyjedziemy do Lublina. Jeśli indywidualnie, to możemy spotkać się w Janowie Lubelskim 🙂
PLEASE TEST the 2022 Audi RS3. Thank you ! ! !
If we only find it...
Spanish excelente video muchas gracias
Thank you!
To stop DCT slip , put it in manual mode.
We tried that - it is still slipping and changing gears.
İ m using gen 3 2018 tucson. Try to put gas pedal max 2500 rpm. So dct decrease clutch pressure to avoid hotting. İ used at 70-80 cm deep snow. That is not loves diagonal pass. Thanks for you
the ist gen Tucson have smaller tires, while the 4rth gen Tucson have a bigger tires. Thant makes a lot of difference when using that machine for testing. Try slip test using thesame tire size.
It is not possible to use the same tire size, each car must have its own homologated size. Besides it doesn't make much difference, it's about 1 mm difference how they sit in rollers.
Piękny ten nowy Tuskon, te przetłoczenia wzór felg, wygląda jak jakiś Batmobil, szkoda tylko, że napęd na cztery nie jedzie całkiem z 4 kół, tak czy siak wygląd futurystyczny
What's the diff between lock and no lock?it's like 4wd on and off?
Both are 4WD modes but LOCK is like a "more 4wd please".
if you lock the CENTRAL diff, than the front and the rear axle cant move free from each other. that means, that if one of the axles gets power from the engine, then the other one gets automatically power too. because in a normal diff setup, the entire power goes to the wheel with the smallest resistance. that is not neccesary if you are on a normal road, where every wheel has traction, but if one wheel is lifted, then theoretically you couldnt move the car, so e use diff locks.
btw the gen.4 tucson dont has an advantage, because it has three diff locks, instead of one.
@@laszlolegendi6453ucson doesn't have center diff at all. There's a clutch-pack, sending power from front to back. Front and rear diffs are open, no lockers.
There is no locker on an awd car. The lock button does not lock but rather informs the car before wheel slip to send some power to the rear. Research awd vs 4wd. 4wd is for off road first and foremost with on road as an after thought. Awd is for on road mainly with off road as an after thought. You can’t drive past 20mph or so with front and rear locked, and you can’t turn with front and rears locked as tires rotate at dif speeds through turns. So for us reg people awd is the better option for snow commuting. But plowing and pulling other cars out of snow 4wd is obviously better. 3 4wd cars include toyota 4 runner, jeep wrangler and ford bronco to name a few.
@@JoshuaHults What lock mode does in modern cars is keeping rear axle permanently engaged up to certain speed, it's not about slippage cause almost every mode has proactive function now, engaging the rear before slippage occurs. When it comes to AWD, 4WD or 4x4 - these are just informal definitions. There are is no formal classification, there are no norms defining which system is which, thus manufacturers use these namings as they want, no matter what system is in the car.
Anyone know what wheels were on the 2021 Tucson?
235/50/R19 this are the n-line exclusive wheels
It seems that Lock mode on the 1.st gen doesnt work (at all?)
Actually the video shows that it works perfectly.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers How? I see no differences. However, why it doesnt pass most tests? It doesnt spin some wheels even when on rollers, i dont get it 🤷🏼♂️
@@avgram4192LOCK mode locks the axles together, it doesn't lock the wheels. Watch the first test with front wheels on rollers - normally there's a front wheelspin first and then car moves forward. But when LOCK is engaged then car moves forward with no front wheelspin.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, i noticed that, if Lock is in relation front/rear, you are right!
I just expected more influences from Lock and overall from this car. Its hard to believe, but few days ago i searched for exact this car on your channel (which is amazing btw) and voila! :)
Pitty for such poor results
It’s not a real locker lol
Would love to see W163 Mercedes!
We would love to see it to...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Another car I would ship to you for testing if it was closer 😂maybe one will pop up one day!
@@nicom6748 We hope it will!
21114 Justice Greens
Witam, a może test peugeot 3008 hybrid4 4x4. Pozdrawiam
Witam, ua-cam.com/video/sHodMNHpJA4/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Witam, chodzi mi o test tego starszego 3008 hybryde z dieslem. Mam takiego :) Pozdrawiam
@@konfederat A to zapraszam na test 🙂 Skąd jesteś?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Kraków
@@konfederat Świetnie, dosyć często tam bywamy (jesteśmy z Rzeszowa). Jeśli masz możliwość - napisz przez Facebooka i będziemy w kontakcie.
do it for Santa Fe too please. tx
ua-cam.com/video/9_KCi6cJjkg/v-deo.html
That's weird, gen 1 can't pass the side roller test in engage the diff lock and ESP off, why? And what does that mean of gen 4 shows DCT slipping?
Switching ESP off disengages also traction control. DCT slipping - computer was keeping dual clutch transmission in slipping state.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers This is similar to the situation that you test on Acura SH-AWD.
There is no diff lock for gen 1 Tucson, it is 4x4 lock which means the torque is split 50:50 between front and rear differentials
where is you suzuki could not see in the background :)
Which one? 🙂
Czy w Tucson 1gen jest ITM 3e?
Tak.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Na awdwiki jest opis, że 95% momentu trafia na przód, co oznaczałoby, że bez przerwy jakaś część trafia na tył. Znalazłem też ciekawy opis mówiący o czterech trybach pracy tego napędu (open loop, closed loop etc) nie wiem czy również Tucson 1gen ma ten system. Jest tam ciekawy zapis "In high power demand situations, the all-wheel drive system immediately starts engaging the electronically controlled coupling," czy może to oznaczać, że układ wykrywa mocne ruszenie np ze świateł lub dynamiczne pod wzniesienie i od razu mocniej dopnie tył pomimo braku uślizgu kół przednich?
@@piotrekm2867 Wszystko zależy od oprogramowania. Znalazłeś zapewne opis sprzęgła ITM - jeśli Hyundai w pełni skorzystał z softu Borg Warner, to powinno to tak właśnie działać.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Domyślam się, ale takie informacje już ciężko znaleźć. Na filmie widać, że rolki pod przednią osią pozwalają na obrót mniej więcej o 1/4 obrotu koła, natomiast widać, że przy rolkach po jednej stronie auta, przednie i tylne koło zaczynają się kręcić niemalże w tym samym czasie, co mogło by sugerować, że jakaś część momentu faktycznie jest przesyłana na tył od samego początku, a to pozwalało by na znacznie więcej w błocie czy śniegu.
@@piotrekm2867 Dokładnie tak, jak piszesz. Nawet jeśli jest to ~90/10, to koła ruszają prawie jednocześnie. Gdyby obroty silnika były wyższe, to przypuszczalnie tylna oś byłaby jeszcze mocniej dołączona. Jest tylko jeden drobny problem - ITM potrzebuje niewielkiej różnicy obrotów pomiędzy tarczami, żeby mógł działać, czyli tak w 100% nie da się go spiąć przed ruszeniem.
The subaru does far better with locking wheels and sending power to the wheel with grip. However the subaru is ugly as heck. With good tires for conditions any car will be good.
It depends which Subaru.
There is zero need to do a 3 roller test on cuvs.
Even a 2 roller (1 on each axle) is pushing it. They are not intended to do those types of offroading
There are non-offroad situations where you may be slipping three wheels while fourth is the one that may push the car. And that's what three roller test is about.
Yes but on these sorts of cars the fourth wheel will never provide any drive. Even many capable off readers (think Range Rover classic) cannot lock their front or rear differentials so the outcome would be the same.
Pseudo 4WD, tylko torsen 👍
Z tym to akurat różnie bywa, coraz częściej układy sprzęgłowe sprawują się lepiej niż torsen.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Fakt, ale generalnie mam tu na myśli prostotę i niezawodność torsena
Consistently terrible even worse
What was that rattle sound at 4:34?
These are spinning rollers.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks! 👍