What an amazing play by TY when he splits his BC to make a surprise attack on the Tempests. No wonder why he is such a good player, that was a great move by him
i was thinking of it, too.. but as i'm not playing sc2 myself, i didnt know if you can do the jump-yamato-thing properly with 2 groups or not.. probably a lot of micro
@@schippes24 if I understood your question right, i have to say that you could do the tactical jump and the yamado cannon combo 1 BC at the time (not the smartest thing to do, but you can). In SC, you can control every unit individualy, or group them up, but not necessarely all in 1 group. Thats exacly what TY did, he divided in half his army and made the tactical jump (without the yamado's), and then he did the same thing with his other half of the BC, but this time ussing the yamado's cannons
Lol, I was expecting it for a while. It's the same thing with swarm hosts, if you pop all of them the same time they can just wait out the locusts and then kill you while they're recharging.
@@emissarygw2264 in my opinion is not the same, because not using all your locust at once is not that rare to see. But what TY did was reading the pattern that Creator was making (recall every time that the BC's made a tactical jump and then counter attack), so he ussed some BC's to bait him to recall and you know the rest. So what impressed me it wasn't the split of his army, but the strategy wich allow him to win the game
Right, it isn't that common to see BC's split like that, but the concept is the same - you have a really strong ability on long cd, and the enemy is able to just run away when you use the ability and come back when it's on cooldown. So instead of using it all at once, you stagger the usage. Frankly after Creator recalled a couple times I saw the pattern already, but TY was still keeping his BC's in a big clump so I figured he had a good reason. For example, maybe the tempests just kill all your BC's and then recall before the next group comes in. And maybe that would have been the right thing for Creator to do to win, but he panicked - or maybe it wouldn't work either way and splitting just wins every time and TY should have done it sooner. Hard to say :)
Thank you so much for doing these. I regularly watch the 'big casters' (Lowko, Winter) do full game commentaries, but, there's nothing quite like duo caster commentaries and I don't have time to watch every game from every event. The fact that you so often pick out great matches and cut out some of the downtime really makes it easy for me to keep up with great plays & happenings in the SC2 community and I appreciate it a lot! Are you taking donations/Patreon support anywhere?
Makes me very happy to read this! I do have a donation link that I dont really promote: bit.ly/DonateSC2HL. I appreciate any donations but the best thing you can do is just keep watching the videos! ❤️
+I'm ShaPowLow Yeah, when I found this channel yesterday I didn't even realize it was Tasteless and Artosis until I heard them addressing each other by "name" in this vid. God bless.
My favourite unit ever in any starcraft game. I always try to push my tech tree up to Battlecruisers everytime that I play with terrans. The tactical jump at 8:32, then blasting those tempests with Yamatos... Damn...
tempests are now faster.... And both their health and Yamato gun is nerfed, so not too much of a change in regards to that since I think they still die to the same amount of Yamato gun shot. It’s really hard to tell how the bc damage buff and fire while moving and tempest speed buff and bc AA range reduction will interact with each other.
except zerg still hard counters BCs with corruptor or infestor, two pretty useful units, and protoss is getting a big buff to tempests which will counter them.
@@kennynguyen2970 Toss just has no good anti air. The only Unit doing DPS is the Carrier and they are so vulnerable against BC and Ghosts. Tactical jump is just a bit OP imho. Should have longer CD.
Sometimes I wonder if it's wise to fight an extended game like this. Once it becomes clear you can't finish off your opponent quickly, then you're draining a lot of mental and physical energy from your body. If you go to the next game in the series, and you're tired from the last game, then it will work against you.
that's the point, if you are on the losing end you simply play to prolong the game without using your focus. creator simply recalls his troops everytime he gets jumped and never makes any attack.
d b - Even playing conservatively requires mental energy and focus. Creator can't just take a break. Creator turned it into a battle of attrition, and gambled that he could somehow still win this game (instead of taking it to the next game). If Creator had won, then you would have a point. But that gamble failed, and now he's extra tired when the next game starts.
@@TheBigExclusive I don't see Creator being the only one playing the game. It takes two so TY is becoming just as tired if not more since he had to put everything into it to win while Creator was just hanging on.
One day I though "let's see if there is a gsl going on at the moment" after not watching starcraft for months. I turn on twitch and I see this game. I felt incredibly lucky.
six month onwards, and BCs is still dominating the game once they are out. when you see cannon all under tempest but still get rekt, u cant defend them.
BC seems rather OP. I know when anyone says that people will always counter with “but it’s the most expensive unit that takes the longest amount of time to get” yes that’s true... but unless you’re playing against Terran and you’re able to attain a critical mass of BC’s you’ve already won the game, if the situation calls for it trade some BC’s for maybe 10 Vikings and that’s all you’ll need to win
these bcs were hot garbage. all their damage came from yamato. bcs only became good after being able to attack while moving. those tempest should have died on the first warp but because bcs are so shit this game got extended forever like this.
tempest really needs a major strengthen: perhaps add some special shield abilities to let the damage dealt with tempest not exceed a certain amount per second; just like an old immortal in the sky.
If you feedback Battlecruiser when it is charging Yamato cannon, does it get canceled? If so, maybe that would be better strategy than recall. I saw Creator had many High Templars nearby anyway.
Before patch: Yamato deals 300 damage to 300HP/150S Tempest. Because there is only 150 shields, Tempest will always take 150 HP damage from Yamato shots, as such 2 Yamato shots will kill a Tempest regardless if the shields regenerate or not. After patch: Yamato deals 240 damage to 150HP/125S Tempest. It will take the same 2 Yamato shots to kill a Tempest both consecutively or separately. However, after 1 Yamato shot, Tempest will only have 35HP left and will be extremely vulnerable to followup attacks from BC or vikings. Tempest will have more speed and lower supply cost to do well in kiting, but it will do worst against BC if caught by tactical jumps.
@@skychaos87 well ya but if you perfectly recall away at the right time like Creator was doing this game, then it's definitely the Protoss's game to lose. Granted, not everyone will micro like him and not everyone will micro like TY so we're not going to talk about what's now OP or UP. The idea was that if these same 2 players had the same unit set as in this game, Creator would have came out on top if it was played after the patch.
@Jalin Murphy I still think it would be pretty balanced between those two. Althogh Creator has incredible micro he still makes mistakes and with the new changes those mistakes get punished even harder. As The future is Unity pointed out Tempest will be on very low hitpoints if hit by yamato and with the random attack delay removed and the possibility to move while shooting I think the BC could do terrible damage to a protoss fleet if caught at the right time.
I think best option would prob be some combo of stalker, archon, void ray. Maybe some high temp for more aoe. Even then, now that BC shoots on the move. I think the main problem is that Blizzard at this point doesn't care about late games. They want games to go fast which is why they did the increased amount of workers at start. Decreased the amount of min and gas per field.
@@TRex276 Mmh... Maybe the Tempest only works to delay the rush, butmaybe an enough quantity of Void Rays could do the trick. Or... not going for the kill with the tempest and instead construct front lines of Shild batteries (Like the wall of Spine Crawlers of the Zerg when Protoss goes carrier).
@@alejandroyava Problem is Yamato can outrange cannons and oneshot voidrays (can they I dont know for sure^^). And vs voidrays you can jump away and build turrets. Void rays are worse than tempest but tempest are not much better.
BCs are OP now. the delay between casting and jump should be longer to better suit its original purpose, which is to be more defensive. With its absurdly high health, armor and firepower, it shouldn't be given mobility as it is now
Question: when the tempest recall away from the BC Yamato.... does the BC use the energy for the Yamato even though it is never shot at the tempest or does it get to keep it bcz the tempest recalled away?
![BOOM BEACH [ Activating Rewards!!!]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YM3Q6KEvE_8/mqdefault.jpg)
BC Jump In: Aha!
Tempest Nexus Recall: Aha!!
2nd BC group Jump In: Aha!!!
Tempest Mothership Recall: Aha!!!!
Marines & Vikings: Aha!!!!!
This could be really fun with a looney toons meme lol.
@@Kaithbk Which meme?
My brain: ha...ah?
the mind game lol
That's some Tom and Jerry levels of slapstick.
05:58 - My reaction when trying to cut 40 minutes from a game while trying to make it understandable
Thank you for these. It's the only piece of professional sc2 i see any more.
SC2HL xdd
Lmao, i can totally visualize this footage running around like a DT slicing you in two as you "hrghraaaaaauuhh" in an attempt to edit it.
Thanks for making these this one was epic. Great cutting
You are doing a great job.
I lost it when he jumped the extra two bcs to catch the 3 stalkers running away
thescoutabout yeh me 2 I lost if
It was like a horror movie
RUN ZERATUL!!!
16:00 My guy actually Yamatoing a Probe.
"fuck that probe in particular"
Destroy the economy in coolest way possible
Using a Bazooka to kill an ant
"What planet so the terrans come from?" "...earth artosis ,I cant believe you're saying this"
I fucking lost it 😂
15:23
What an amazing play by TY when he splits his BC to make a surprise attack on the Tempests. No wonder why he is such a good player, that was a great move by him
i was thinking of it, too.. but as i'm not playing sc2 myself, i didnt know if you can do the jump-yamato-thing properly with 2 groups or not.. probably a lot of micro
@@schippes24 if I understood your question right, i have to say that you could do the tactical jump and the yamado cannon combo 1 BC at the time (not the smartest thing to do, but you can). In SC, you can control every unit individualy, or group them up, but not necessarely all in 1 group. Thats exacly what TY did, he divided in half his army and made the tactical jump (without the yamado's), and then he did the same thing with his other half of the BC, but this time ussing the yamado's cannons
Lol, I was expecting it for a while. It's the same thing with swarm hosts, if you pop all of them the same time they can just wait out the locusts and then kill you while they're recharging.
@@emissarygw2264 in my opinion is not the same, because not using all your locust at once is not that rare to see. But what TY did was reading the pattern that Creator was making (recall every time that the BC's made a tactical jump and then counter attack), so he ussed some BC's to bait him to recall and you know the rest. So what impressed me it wasn't the split of his army, but the strategy wich allow him to win the game
Right, it isn't that common to see BC's split like that, but the concept is the same - you have a really strong ability on long cd, and the enemy is able to just run away when you use the ability and come back when it's on cooldown. So instead of using it all at once, you stagger the usage. Frankly after Creator recalled a couple times I saw the pattern already, but TY was still keeping his BC's in a big clump so I figured he had a good reason. For example, maybe the tempests just kill all your BC's and then recall before the next group comes in. And maybe that would have been the right thing for Creator to do to win, but he panicked - or maybe it wouldn't work either way and splitting just wins every time and TY should have done it sooner. Hard to say :)
Thank you so much for doing these. I regularly watch the 'big casters' (Lowko, Winter) do full game commentaries, but, there's nothing quite like duo caster commentaries and I don't have time to watch every game from every event.
The fact that you so often pick out great matches and cut out some of the downtime really makes it easy for me to keep up with great plays & happenings in the SC2 community and I appreciate it a lot! Are you taking donations/Patreon support anywhere?
Makes me very happy to read this! I do have a donation link that I dont really promote: bit.ly/DonateSC2HL.
I appreciate any donations but the best thing you can do is just keep watching the videos! ❤️
Just fyi, these is not just a duo commentary, this is THE duo commentators. This is Tastosis man. The ultimate casting tag team since 2009
Exactly, these guys are the biggest casters of all. Winter is a small caster relative to these guys.
+I'm ShaPowLow
Yeah, when I found this channel yesterday I didn't even realize it was Tasteless and Artosis until I heard them addressing each other by "name" in this vid. God bless.
Winter and Lowko are big casters? xD
Zerg players looking at the teleports with envy.
Zerg players looking at all the buffs with envy
nydus bro
Chee Yong Chan don't forget winfestor....as if it wasn't already broken enough....nah...just break it even more....it even got a diet...
The Derpfester worked hard on that one. how can u so casually discard the achievement of others.
Also yes nydus seems good now.
Nydus????????
18:28 i love how excited these casters are hahha
9:50 teleporter tango. Damn that was cool lol
One of the best games ever!
BC Jump In: Aha!
Tempest Nexus Recall: Aha!!
2nd BC group Jump In: Aha!!!
Tempest Mothership Recall: Aha!!!!
Vikings: Aha!!!!!
@@andhikasoehalim3170
My brain: ha....ah?
i dont know why but watching battlecruisers crusing all over the map is so damn satysfying :D That was so entertaining i even got a goosebumps :D
I think at the heart of it, we all just like to see huge armies smash into each other. And this was quite some good smashing.
My favourite unit ever in any starcraft game. I always try to push my tech tree up to Battlecruisers everytime that I play with terrans. The tactical jump at 8:32, then blasting those tempests with Yamatos... Damn...
Battle cruiser... operational
I remember how satisfying was to hear in SC1 "Battlecruiser operational" :D
I liked the moment those 2 BC destroyed the Mothership.
Not only it was a good move, but even the music was on point in that moment.
Caster: Just to be clear, those two BC aren't making it back.
TYTY: And I took that personally.
15:23
Whats the name of the terran planet?
Earth.
Lmao
Yeah, that’s not even a simple question... there’s Tarsonis, Korhal, Mar Sara ... I dunno.
please continue to make full game cuts like this. its hard to watch all the games now. love this content so much you have no idea
"Together we stand, together we fall."
BC: "Together we warp"
Tempest: "Together we recall"
BC: Wat?
Tempest: Wat?
Stalker: Alone I run.
The recall evasion maneuver and the double split bc jump were absolutely insane！
This is amazing, thank you so much for editing!
I couldn’t be more joyful and satisfied watching a duo commentary ❤️
I’ve never liked watching a game and listening to commentators but you two changed my mind! Kudos!
Seeing BC viable again at the pro level makes me giddy.
but you'll need games with 30min+ to get to that point, wont you?
best sc2 game I ever saw! 9:45 best part!
16:02 poor probe overkilled
Kill secured xD
INTENSIFY FORWARD FIREPOWER
brutality!
Im glad terran lategame will be buffed, so we see more battlecruisers action.
Tempest gonna get buffed as well though. I predict Terran will still struggle lategame.
tempests are now faster....
And both their health and Yamato gun is nerfed, so not too much of a change in regards to that since I think they still die to the same amount of Yamato gun shot.
It’s really hard to tell how the bc damage buff and fire while moving and tempest speed buff and bc AA range reduction will interact with each other.
Tempest buff is ridiculously OP, I hope they reduce their speed just a little bit. With the current beta change, tempest = gg
Can vikings still catch onto them tho.
except zerg still hard counters BCs with corruptor or infestor, two pretty useful units, and protoss is getting a big buff to tempests which will counter them.
Starting at 20:45, I was laughing so hard at that single player comment.
17:26 man those tempest are getting obliterated
20:48 this is dedication 😂
Insane game, one of the most enjoyable i've seen in like 10 years.
idk what im watching but i love it
Flying OCs with BCs used to be what I did in FFA WoL. Good for defending the "base", dropping mules, and mining on the go. Pretty fun.
Tempests are not good vs BCs anymore... I liked the moves by Creator though. Both were quite creative in this game.
Barry Y they are good at poking the bc’s at range but since they can jump creator needed to have more dps units like carriers or Phoenix.
@@kennynguyen2970 Toss just has no good anti air.
The only Unit doing DPS is the Carrier and they are so vulnerable against BC and Ghosts.
Tactical jump is just a bit OP imho.
Should have longer CD.
@@kennynguyen2970 I know this comment is two years old but really Phoenix against bcs?? Phoenix do no damage at all to bcs
I'm not even that much of a StarCraft player but men... This game was insane
Jump vs Recall
Feels like JoJo where both opponents are just constantly outsmarting each other until one wins.
Until JoJo wins right? In this case BCS always win unless you have just few.
Thanks for that video :) Couldn't watch it live so it's cool to have like a 20 min summary :)
The double BC split, the mothership snipe and the 2 extra BCs for the 3 stalkers. Damn that's some 400 IQ shit.
Such an amazing game. Thank you for doing this.
Sometimes I wonder if it's wise to fight an extended game like this. Once it becomes clear you can't finish off your opponent quickly, then you're draining a lot of mental and physical energy from your body. If you go to the next game in the series, and you're tired from the last game, then it will work against you.
that's the point, if you are on the losing end you simply play to prolong the game without using your focus. creator simply recalls his troops everytime he gets jumped and never makes any attack.
d b - Even playing conservatively requires mental energy and focus. Creator can't just take a break. Creator turned it into a battle of attrition, and gambled that he could somehow still win this game (instead of taking it to the next game). If Creator had won, then you would have a point. But that gamble failed, and now he's extra tired when the next game starts.
@@TheBigExclusive I don't see Creator being the only one playing the game. It takes two so TY is becoming just as tired if not more since he had to put everything into it to win while Creator was just hanging on.
i only see highlights for these games, curious where i can find vids of the full games? thanks!
3:17 a marauder gets yeeted off the map lol
One day I though "let's see if there is a gsl going on at the moment" after not watching starcraft for months. I turn on twitch and I see this game. I felt incredibly lucky.
FINALLY!!! KNOW I CAN SUBSCRIBE! NEW VIDS!
six month onwards, and BCs is still dominating the game once they are out.
when you see cannon all under tempest but still get rekt, u cant defend them.
This remains one of the best games ever played.
BC seems rather OP. I know when anyone says that people will always counter with “but it’s the most expensive unit that takes the longest amount of time to get” yes that’s true... but unless you’re playing against Terran and you’re able to attain a critical mass of BC’s you’ve already won the game, if the situation calls for it trade some BC’s for maybe 10 Vikings and that’s all you’ll need to win
these bcs were hot garbage. all their damage came from yamato. bcs only became good after being able to attack while moving. those tempest should have died on the first warp but because bcs are so shit this game got extended forever like this.
Those tactical jumps though! WOW!
20:56 seriously what exactly is the range on yamato cannon ? 20-25. That was insane.
精彩非常精彩的艦隊戰。近3,4年無碰過星際爭霸2。這個大和號折躍真的是讓這廢物單位起死回生。並且成為Game changer
This game is like Tom and Jerry and I love it
The Siege Tank does not shot on the move? When not in the siege mode?
18:54 They think TY is going to play passively 😂
This was the best pvt sc2 game ive ever seen.
Warp wars, teleportation is the key.
Sick plays both of them.
tempest really needs a major strengthen: perhaps add some special shield abilities to let the damage dealt with tempest not exceed a certain amount per second; just like an old immortal in the sky.
The whole point of Tempest is to not getting hit, while dealing huge damage to the enemies. They are the exact symbol of a "glass cannon"
@@tigera6 a flying siege tank.
How do you do mass yamamoto cannons? How do fire mass yamamoto cannons at the same time?
6:27 Ah, this must have been during the time disruptor shots blow up on contact. I wasn't actively playing at this time, but interesting to see.
HOLY CRAP. Talk about epic!
11:50 "Yamodo Cannons" loool
If you feedback Battlecruiser when it is charging Yamato cannon, does it get canceled? If so, maybe that would be better strategy than recall. I saw Creator had many High Templars nearby anyway.
How do you do mass yamamoto cannons?
I have never seen a Hide-and-Seak play this intense !!
imagie how much stronger TY would be with the new battlecruiser update
Imagine how much stronger CREATOR would be with the new tempest update. Would have chased those BCs down so hard.
@@jalinmurphy9
Damn... U r right man...
BC would be weaker after this patch :/
Before patch: Yamato deals 300 damage to 300HP/150S Tempest. Because there is only 150 shields, Tempest will always take 150 HP damage from Yamato shots, as such 2 Yamato shots will kill a Tempest regardless if the shields regenerate or not.
After patch: Yamato deals 240 damage to 150HP/125S Tempest. It will take the same 2 Yamato shots to kill a Tempest both consecutively or separately. However, after 1 Yamato shot, Tempest will only have 35HP left and will be extremely vulnerable to followup attacks from BC or vikings. Tempest will have more speed and lower supply cost to do well in kiting, but it will do worst against BC if caught by tactical jumps.
@@skychaos87 well ya but if you perfectly recall away at the right time like Creator was doing this game, then it's definitely the Protoss's game to lose. Granted, not everyone will micro like him and not everyone will micro like TY so we're not going to talk about what's now OP or UP. The idea was that if these same 2 players had the same unit set as in this game, Creator would have came out on top if it was played after the patch.
@Jalin Murphy I still think it would be pretty balanced between those two. Althogh Creator has incredible micro he still makes mistakes and with the new changes those mistakes get punished even harder. As The future is Unity pointed out Tempest will be on very low hitpoints if hit by yamato and with the random attack delay removed and the possibility to move while shooting I think the BC could do terrible damage to a protoss fleet if caught at the right time.
Really Good Game!! I like these kinds of games!
How do you yomohto so many different target at the exact same time like he's doing?
1 hour long game with protoss in it? Sign me up.
I like watching these Starcraft matches. But I imagine I'll be on social security by the time I play Starcraft 3 lol
That was very intense
Damn, this looks pretty much like a real battle ! These mind games are just too awesome :D
if I play this, I don't know how to counter bc+viking. If back to 2012 when mvp vs squirtle, I think Mothership use blackhole to counter BC
I think best option would prob be some combo of stalker, archon, void ray. Maybe some high temp for more aoe. Even then, now that BC shoots on the move. I think the main problem is that Blizzard at this point doesn't care about late games. They want games to go fast which is why they did the increased amount of workers at start. Decreased the amount of min and gas per field.
Great editing!!!
Wow that was actually an incredible game.
Best commentating :)
19:45 These bcs aren't making it out, just to make that clear.
20:10 TY escapes with both bcs
Nice!
Is Tempest really a counter to BCs? Because in every clash I see only one or two BCs fall while the tempest kite trying to stay alive
But what else can you build?
@@TRex276 Mmh... Maybe the Tempest only works to delay the rush, butmaybe an enough quantity of Void Rays could do the trick. Or... not going for the kill with the tempest and instead construct front lines of Shild batteries (Like the wall of Spine Crawlers of the Zerg when Protoss goes carrier).
@@alejandroyava Problem is Yamato can outrange cannons and oneshot voidrays (can they I dont know for sure^^). And vs voidrays you can jump away and build turrets. Void rays are worse than tempest but tempest are not much better.
Awesome fight!
Great to see BC doing work
BCs are OP now. the delay between casting and jump should be longer to better suit its original purpose, which is to be more defensive.
With its absurdly high health, armor and firepower, it shouldn't be given mobility as it is now
I was wondering if putting stasis wards around the tempests to catch the jumping battlecruisers would work.
stasis only affect ground unit sadly
20:24 "imba imba world" rip incontrol and his bants
the thing i dont understand is, why not attack the pylons :/ so the cannons dont function and reduce damage :/
Question: when the tempest recall away from the BC Yamato.... does the BC use the energy for the Yamato even though it is never shot at the tempest or does it get to keep it bcz the tempest recalled away?
Yeah, it uses the Yamato energy. The BCs still shot, only they hit where the units were pre-recall and "missed," so to speak.
What are you guys talking about. Bcs dont use mana lol its been removed years ago
Is there an uncut version? I want to see the whole thing :)
that few matches where you realize: hey a circular economy would really make sense...^^
16:40 Domminion fleet vs Corrupted Golden Armada
Another charts victory aboard the glory of the Biscuit Cruisers
Small question (since I rarely play sc2) isn't there a black hole on mothership? Can't creator black hole a portion and archon them?
I believe that ability was removed some years ago.
about 5 years ago, mothership's black hole was deleted... instead mothership CORE was made
RexeЯ kim f archon toilet....still miss it...although I switched from toss to terran, I still want it back...
@@asmylia9880 hahaha ARCHON TOILET! It was a nostelsia skill!
Oh, so sad, I still remember seeing the blackhole killing half of the BC, so satisfied
Warp, Yamato... BC are really Op United...
It needs to be mana based again.
7:56 - 8:00 cool😍😍
LMFAO --- "THAT...Happened,..."
10:44 what the hell, how can a volley from all those tempests only kill one marine??
I cant understand why it shines and looks so good this replays. Its video card capture? even oracles lights and animations look different...
How do fire mass yamamoto cannons at the same time?
skills
@@infinite_xiao5483 what are the skills, pleas tell me?
@@zeruel31 just a matter of smashing the keyboard fast enough and with some brain power mate :)
@@infinite_xiao5483 how do you get battlecruisers to fire at the same time?
@@zeruel31 you press shift on the yamato to pre target before jumping
with the tactical jump they should bring back the archon toilet
Now that bcs can shot while moving... good luck kiting with tempest
Why does the Terran destroy the turrest instead of the crystals that power them and the shield? I didn't get it.
ur back
I love all this Battlecruiser shenanigans lately!
How come TY targets down the cannons/shield batteries and doesn’t go for pylons? Seems like he’d clear the space better
Min 17:16 spectacular neymar dribling
What is title of that BGM?
Please and thank you.
Did someone turn the gamma way up for this or something? I kind of like it.