Flight to Look at Citabria/Airplane Buying Tips
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2020
- We have been looking for a fun plane on a budget. The Citabria seemed to fit the bill, so we started looking. We found one that looked good on paper, check out the video to see how it turned out (and maybe learn something about the process).
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Really enjoyed this quick flight. I enjoy listening to you chatting as you fly (and on the ground). Feels like I'm riding along. :-) Thanks.
Glad to have you ride along!
Good to see you flying again- glad Maddie is doing well - figured she had been too busy to do much flying
Thank you for the ride. I always enjoy listening to you. As a student pilot and an old man. I always learn something when I fly with you. Thank you.
I appreciate it, Ken.
Good to see you back on/in the air. I have been absent from watching U-Tube since I went back to work, but I retired again a couple of weeks ago. I know nothing about the paint issues, so no help for you here. I'd like to see some aerobatics if you get a plane that will do that. I've only been upside down a couple of times, on purpose, because back when I was flying, my instructor was a Jug pilot in WWII. He was bats&$@t crazy. At least I thought so, being new to flying. It was a blast though. I'd also like to see some hunting. I'm going on 11/05 and the season starts on the 7th. It's going to get down to 2 degrees tonight and I don't even live in the mountains. Gonna be a cold one this year going with the late season. Take care, Jim
When I was 15 years old my dad and I had a 1965 Citabria. It had been landed long on skis and went into trees. Dad ran out of money when all the airframe repairs had been done. The left wing was bent up pretty bad outboard of the strut attach points, and the gear had been folded up into the fuse. I had been working on a farm 16 to 18 hrs a day 7 days a week. My dad had found a low time engine from another Citabria that had been in a hanger fire. With all that hard earned money I had in the bank I said let's go get that engine. I soloed that plane about 6 months later at 16 years old. I am now 60 years old......my dad passed in 2016. Those memories made in that plane are of the fondest of my entire life.
What a great story! I love making memories with my kids.
Enjoy your videos. Seem to always learn something new from you, an experienced pilot.
Thanks you!
Good to see you Sir! Yes on the hunting video.
How is the job going with this madness ? Hopefully you are getting some hours in and keeping the seniority going.
Thanks for taking us along. Stay safe, Bill
Work is slow. Air traffic is slowly recovering, but it's going to take a LONG time to get back to 2019 levels. I think there is a lot of pent up travel demand, but cities (and countries) are going to have to start opening up before we see any real improvement.
I just love the 150 / 152. It’s a Great little plane. I finished my private out of W24 Lynchbug Va 10 years ago. Our twin daughters just finished at LU 12/2020 as well. Many blessings for the New Year.
Thanks,Todd! Maddie just graduated LU. One down, two to go! God bless.
Enjoyed the video Jim. I second your comments about chasing down good candidates when only to find that it is not what you thought it was!! Good ones are hard to find, as I'm finding out for myself the hard way and when you do---be ready to pay dearly!! I'm looking now for 172---bout ready to give up. Thanks from Deep Down in Cajun Country--KOPL
Retired A&P, one of the first jobs I had in the field was re-covering a Citabria with Ceconite in Galveston, Tx in like 1988.
Thank you for havin' us onboard...nice flight.
Thanks for taking us along. I would definitely post the hunting video. Thanks I would love to have that 150 too.
Madison just helped me with our insurance. Mr. Popper referred her to me. Was a great experience! Thanks!
Thanks Patrick! She was excited to get the call.
awesome vid, love the airplane buying tips and content
Great content and camera work. With the paint issue, $17.5k looks about right to me. I just don’t see $35k walking in the door. It would have been fun watching your son transition to a taildragger. It’s always fun to watch someone get out of a tricycle and step in to a taildragger, no matter who it is. I wish I had film of my first J3 takeoff in 1974. I can still hear the right side tire screeching as the instructor had his foot on the heel brake trying to keep us on the runway. He told me what to expect and I was still headed for the grass. He was laughing the whole time,. I was 19 and had just got my PPL. J3’s rented for $8 hr. at W96 back then. I’d pay to have film of my first takeoff. Thanks Jim.
I had a J3 last year. You can see Quinn and Maddie fly it on my channel. The cool thing about the Citabria was that it had the metal wing conversion. I think it's pretty expensive to have that done. The interior was nice too. The engine was overhauled in the 1980's and had been through a lot. Prop strike, top overhaul, recent cylinder issues...It was just easier to pass and look for a better example. Thanks for stopping by and dropping a comment!
Glad to see another video!
Great video - your content is always interesting. I think you'll find a better plane. So - I'm not gonna lie - came here also because I was hoping to hear something about Maddie as she hasn't posted anything in some time. Do hope all is well with her - and she's just busy - or not in the mood to make videos - that I would get. Please say 'Hi' - I think I can speak for all her subs when I say - We miss you Maddie and hope to see you on the you tubes again - if your so inclined. Keep having fun guys.
I wish she would post more too. She's running ragged right now trying to balance work and school. Hopefully she will have time for UA-cam after she finishes school in December.
@@quinnjim Thanks for reply and the inside scoop - just glad she's okay and everyone is well. Looking forward to more stuff from both you guys.
Thank's for the ride along.
And it’s fine to post the hunting video - people have the option to watch or not watch
Great video. What set up are you using to film. A gimble?
I think you you did the right thing to fly away from that, How did you know I was drinkin???????
Great heting device and the Citabria Cool little plane flew one in FSX I know I know simulator but it was very accurate and also flew the Scout. what I remember that the Citbria was a fun little plane but take Your time maybe go for a Scout.
I don't knock simulator flying! I use X Plane 11 and find it VERY realistic.
Enjoying your videos. I'm looking for an airplane to buy, and it has been frustrating to travel across the country and pay for hotel rooms and rental cars only to find out the airplane wasn't as advertised. I might be interested in your 150.
Buying and selling airplanes is always really frustrating. My old Cherokee was "sold" four times. Guys swore they were coming with a check, so I'd mark it as sold. Then they'd flake out. I went to Florida to buy an Archer that was supposed to be perfect. When I traveled down there, it looked like he painted the plane with a brush and nothing worked right. This is a solid little plane. Not cosmetically perfect, but great for economical flight.
I’m quite certain that’s the airplane I was seriously inquiring about. I had a check in hand ready to go but since I needed to book an airline flight out there I asked several times for closeup pictures of the fabric before investing the time and money. All I got was a song and dance from the seller so I walked. Looks like someone bought it though.
It wouldn't have been a bad purchase. The price of these have really gone up. My buddy bought a 2004 Super Decathlon for $105,000 a few years ago. He just sold it for $175,000.
Yes, a Russian Antonov AN-2 at 18:00 🕕
They had the Russian P&W 1,000 hp in them.
Nice! Will you posting the 150 anywhere if you decide to sell?
Probably Barnstormers.
Good morning Jim. I’m a brand new PP (1/25/21) Did the 150 sell? From watching your videos, it looks pretty solid!
It recently sold. It was a solid little trainer! We bought a 182 to replace it (and do some longer distance flying). My latest video talks about it.
Thanks for the reply. I’m thinking I’ll rent for a while and maybe join a club. I’m finding the aviation community to be very helpful and supportive. I’ll check out your next video
Hey Jim... I believe that your instincts are correct especially with to the damage history on the right wing. Thay "White Paint Cracking" could be a chemical reaction between the paint and the fabric dope... just saying! full disclosure is very important and if the seller did not make you aware of the appearance issues then there may be deeper issues not disclosed as well. Buyer BeWare would be my theme for this Aerobatic Aeronca ';-/ that said... remember you've got a wedding coming up to pay for and I have never been able to find Maddie's channel~See Ya and be safe1
Good points! You can find Maddie's channel by searching for "girl_av8r". You have to type the "underscore" between girl and av8r. Check it out! She has some cute videos.
Hi Jim, truly enjoy your videos as well as the family stories. I am a student pilot almost at the opposite age end of Quinn's but excited to finally be doing this :). I have a quick question about the Stratux ADS-B you mentioned in the video. I was about to invest in a Sentry but this Stratux is $249 and appears to do just the same with great reviews. It does not have the CO monitor so how do you feel about that? I will hopefully need aviation insurance some day I will need to find Maddie to help with that! Thanks!
I like the Stratux. It's a good idea to monitor CO due to the way we heat the cockpits of these planes though. You can always get the Stratux and then get the pads they sell that change color if they sense Carbon monoxide. My Stratux was giving me a "shadow" of my own plane initially. I had to go in to the settings to tell it which airplane was me and it fixed it. Let me know if you have that problem and I can tell you how to fix it!
@@quinnjim Thanks Jim! I have the Statux now and tested it at home this weekend. No flying in Florida due to storm Eta until later in the week. On another note I wanted ask you about your 150. I've had this dream of getting my own AC and thought I could manage a Piper 180 or the like but it is increasingly looking like that's not going to happen so I have gone back to look at 150's. I've seen a few of your videos of course and you seem to have fun with it and while not a XC plane, you can get great training and seemingly go get less that $100 burgers in that economical machine. Wonder if you have any thought you can share and what to look for in a good 150. Thanks again! Vic
@@flyvxy Hey Vic, You can pick up a cheap 150 from the 1960's, but I think it's worthwhile to spend a little more and get one from the 1970's. Some of the older ones have non-standard instrument panels and they are a little smaller. You probably want to avoid one that spent 30 years as a trainer. Those get pretty beat up. Make sure the engine is good. It would be great to find one with less than 1,000 hours on the engine that has been overhauled in the last 15-20 years (or less). If you are going to fly in airspace that requires ADSB, the plane will need to be equipped properly. It will cost you $2,000 to add the ADSB if the plane doesn't have it. Make sure the radios and transponder work. Those can get expensive. I've flown my 150 for about a year and have only done oil changes and a carb heat cable. There isn't much to break on them, so they are a great way to get in to aviation. That being said...if you buy one and then have to overhaul the engine...you just doubled your investment.
@@quinnjim Thanks again Jim. Really appreciate your feedback. Looking forward to more fun videos.
What's your opinion on Ultralights? Subscribed!
Thanks! There are some modern ultralights that have gotten my attention. I like the metal ones that look like a narrow Cessna. The biggest downfall is that they only have one seat. That would get old pretty quick. I enjoy flying to share the experience with other people. I think an ultralight would be like a guy with a couple kids buying a 2 seat sports car. It's fun, but eventually it gets sold because you just don't have much use for it. If it gets you in to aviation, it would be a great way to start.
Oh, and I'd love to see the Maddie hunting video. I know UA-cam would probably de-monetize it and mark it as "bad" immediately, but I think it would be cool to see her doing that.
I second that motion!
Would love to hear your experience in negotiating final sale price. How flexible are listed prices on Trade-A-Plane?
It totally depends on the plane and the seller. I usually get good deals in the late fall/early winter. Good planes right now only last a few days. What's left is planes with questionable engines or histories. I think there's a "bubble" right now in small airplane prices. It will correct itself eventually. I negotiated a great deal on our Cirrus due to some abnormalities in the early logbook entries. I actually got the seller to come down $20K in price.
@@quinnjim thank you Jim! I guess I better look closely. I can’t seem to figure out why an RV-12 on trade a plane is 20k less than comparable listings.
Maybe a Skylane ?? for those nice Cross Country Trips ?? how bout a good ol 172 :)
We had a 1965 7ECA for a few years (3+) in North Carolina last millennium.
It had the 0-200 in it like you’re in right now, it was great Fun though a bit under powered, 115 hp should be a bit better 😎👍✅
We really wanted the 150hp version, but we are trying to hit a price point. I think I can have fun in either one!
@@quinnjim that’s what I wanted too... we had the same gear also, I thought they were only on 65, 66 models. I always few odd altitudes too below 3’ooo. Mine Had been redone and was Very N1CE though a 200 hp🤔
I have a 64 champion with the lycoming o-235. Still putting it back together so looking forward to getting into the air
@@spurgear4 I went to your channel and checked it out. Pretty big project. It’s looking good so far!
@@quinnjim I'm getting there, I was just making an order list of parts for aircraft spruce. I bought the plane as a project for 2500 dollars, everything except firewall forward. I was able here in Canada to put it in the experimental category so I can do my own work, poced up three o235 engines for 3500 dollars, one low time and two cores. I'm hoping I can have it done for around 15 thousand. Time will tell. I worked on heavy helicopter in the military for just over 30 years so I'm not really afraid of a project but the fabric will be something new.
Stay safe
That ceiling heater in the hangar - is that gas fired? I ask because out here there's also #2 oil-fired, too. Either is pricey out here. Sounds like you guys get alot cheaper fuel than we do.
Sounds like aircraft engines are taking the same path as automotive engines these days. That's a little frightening. Quality is nosediving in the mechanical world. Has been for a couple decades, but in the last several years it has dive-bombed ... just like that seagull! Smart bird, lol.
CONGRATULATIONS, Maddie!! That's great! I say, show it, John! The heck with the crybabies - they seem to be coming out of the woodwork EVERYWHERE these days ...
Sucks about the paint on that one. I'm the same way regarding cars. Bad paint, I walk. For me as a mechanic, it's MUCH cheaper to throw an engine in than pay for body work and a paint job. If I ever get my pilot's license, I would have to get an A&P as well. It would pain me to have to pay someone to do engine work. With the way it sounds like the engines are going, that's going to be a must!
Great vid, John! I'm always impressed by how FLAT everything is out there. :D Wish I could show you our local foliage (MA) bright reds and yellows everywhere. One of the best years I've seen in a while. Oh, actually I can! I'll link it. Here's my paramotor runway. Some nice colors at the end there: postimg.cc/gXp9GWhg
The ceiling unit is gas fired. I just tried to get it going today, and it's dead. Going to mount a new one before it gets too cold!
quinnjim - Good To find that out now instead of in January! Nice find. 👍That’s a really good price per month for gas heat.
C150 is about as cheap as flying gets. We had one till last year when we bought a RV6. Now that is a fun plane. BTW, we have a 1/3 share for sale for $23k at Casa de Aero.
Is that advertised somewhere? I was in the market for a RV-6 or 7 a few months ago. I might be interested in that!
I just opened a Google account for the first time so I could write a comment to you. Guessing that your budget is about $200K limits the Aircraft choices! I would go with the Cessna 206 because it is a good family airplane and because it is used in mission work around the world. The Quest Kodiac is out of your price range.. I would keep the "Blue Bunny" 152 as it seems to work for your family. (I do not fit in the plane) My idea here is to build time in the 152 and have lots of experience in the 206 so that your children can be mission pilots if they so choose. I would take all the pilots in the family and rent an aerobatic airplane: all pilots, in my opinion should understand flying upside down! Mission pilots should be vary good mechanics, no one is coming in a timely way to fix your airplane one hundred miles into the jungle, for one thing you might have the only airplane in a thousand miles! (I know of a Mission pilot/A&P that went out to rescue a 185 by cutting a foot or so off the end of one wing so it could fly out to be properly repaired. Landing was a bit tricky but he did it with no additional damage to the plane.) Maddie was talking about building an airplane, However you might start out a little less ambitiously and maybe fix up a 152 under the guidance of a A&P. This way one will not have an unfinished kit sitting around if the creative mechanical talent is not there. The 152 would also be worth more when done and if all goes well one can pick out the aircraft kit one wants to do. My comments come as a person interested in aviation but did not and do not have the money to fly. I did however have enough flying lessons 40 years ago to be confident of landing an airplane without killing anyone, but not so sure of keeping the airplane in one piece after all these years!
Let’s see the buck video!
As an owner pilot with 9000hrs in the champion, America champion aircraft types I would also be skeptical of the wood spar wings. The cracks can be very difficult to find. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't by a citabria with the wood wings . Just saying.
What’s the scoop on the 150? Is she for sale yet? I’m not far from you, and shopping pretty hard.
I have a contract on it. Supposed to be picked up tomorrow, but low IFR is forecast. We'll see if it goes!
@@quinnjim Well then, congratulations. Did you find a replacement yet? There was a decent looking Citabria posted for sale on Facebook yesterday. Somewhere in Michigan, and in the $30k range. Hope all is well. 🤙🏼
@@farmfencesolutionsllc7804 I picked up a 182. The guy flaked out on buying my 150. I have the next guy on the list who supposedly wants it, but we'll see. Let me know if you want to check it out (if he bails).
@@quinnjim Yes, I'd like to check it out. We have an SR20, but we'd like to have something slower, cheaper, and more fun in the stable for playing with. luke@farmfencesolutions.com
@@farmfencesolutionsllc7804 I emailed a link to the ad. Thanks!
That’s an Antonov AN-2 1000hpRadial ... the bigest SingleEngineBiPlane ever built. A CropDustingParachutingMilitatyTransportNeedingMoreOilThanGas-Monster ... one Crazy German flew his one over the AtlanticOcean ... you Might find footage when you Look for „SteelBuddies“ or MorlockMotors“
I'll look it up. Hard to tell the size from a distance, but when you compare it to the plane sitting nearby....the size becomes evident! Very unique plane. I wouldn't want to pay for the gas though!
@@quinnjim - it‘s done some years - but i think i remember him talking about 6500.-€ for refuelling in Scotland or Greenland ... he had built in TruckTanks for the FerryFlight it was broadcasted in the german-DiscoveryTV-branch & a hell of a show - i hope you succeed in finding even not speaking german ist should be funny Hause his co was an american! 😉👋🏻
Would love to see maddies hunt
That Russian plane is an Antonov AN-2
Yep. Its size is evident when you compare it to the planes sitting around it. Really big.
Could you use rejuvinate if its just paint?
You could. My buddy got in to a paint issue on fabric and it ended up costing $8,000. I’m not willing to take on that kind of risk.
Recovering it would be very expensive, cheaper to pay more for a good one up front
$37K for that 66 Citabria, with that paint? Someone was really dreaming. Wow Wee!!!!
Put some new metal spar wings on it. No old wood spars!!
That's a No Go!
I am a hunter I say post it hunters are conservationist a lot of people don't understand that
Very true.
Post the hunting video that would be awesome! Nothing better than venison!
East is Least West is Best that's it I remember for Alt
8,000 -$12,000 and paint is in the cost of materials at $3,000 to $4000 dollars ' . Depending on the model and if the wing spars are wood you may want to change over to metal spars . And was that a 7GCAA O-200 lycoming engine Aircraft
It had the metal spar conversion..That's one of the reasons we liked it so much.
Shame about the white paint, but you're lucky in the US to have such a large plane market, so lots of options out there. I've got a couple of nice venison steaks in my freezer to cook up! :) I've missed seeing Maddie's gorgeous face around recently. I guess she might be saving up for wedding related things as well as finishing off her degree. Cheers from venison country, New Zealand (where Kiwis pioneered mountain area helicopter shooting from the '50s with Bell 47s to Hughes 500s, etc, and from the 80s, helicopter live deer capture with shotgun propelled netting!) ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=live+deer+recovery+new+zealand, David
The paint was a bummer. I thought we'd be buying it.
I'm not an expert at fabric repair, but It looks like someone resprayed the white and used the wrong paint? What I do know is that you can't practically strip urethane paint from fabric, so repainting adds weight to the airplane. Usually the underlying fabric is fine. Let us know how this one turns out!
We are going to pass on this one. Too bad since it had some nice mods on the main gear suspension and the tailwheel was aftermarket too. The interior has really held up well since they redid it in 1995 too. If the white paint hadn't failed, I would have written him a check.
@@quinnjim - One thing my buddy who does automotive bodywork and restorations told me is with paint, the base is EVERYTHING. What you start with is going to show through anything you put over it. Prep is key. Looks like some corners were cut during the last refinishing. Lots of reasons for paint lifting like that, but, I think you made the wise choice, John.
Lot easier to do engine, I was looking at 8kcabs and decided on a Yak 52
I've definitely looked at the Yak. Great value and very unique.
Mr Quinn I'll be happy to work with you anytime as well to getting you ready for the day you are looking to purchase
Are you an aircraft broker?
Yes. Why not see the buck
is it dope or polyurethane finished...question of the day
I don't remember. I know it was a bargain compared to what these cost today!
Fabric work issues is very highly expensive
Citabria just walk away with all the cracks
Yep.
Could you please get a message to Maddie that we miss her videos...thanks.
I told her. Thanks!
@@quinnjim Thank you! I enjoy your videos. Your are a great dad!
Hi John---check your email and give me a reply.
Glad you walked away from that 7ECA. Bill
Nothing wrong with posting a hunting video of your daughter taking a nice buck. Trigger alert your viewers. Those that want to, can. Those that are offended will still watch just so they can say they are offended. I'm part of the 9.53K subscribers. Not gonna lose me by any means. Not sure about the fabric/paint. I'm sure you will check it out thoroughly. Enjoy the vids immensely.
Thanks for the support!
40k to recover and paint
Ouch.
Ynow that Russian Plane doesn't go any faster then Your 150 LOL Trueeee
Yes I think you should post the video of your daughter hunting. Of course some might be offended but your channel is all about being a straight shooter (no pun intended), so I don't think you should worry about being politically correct or not.
Say no to Maddie and Bambie
What if you didn't have to see the shot? Probably still a "no go" for a lot of people. I understand when people are vegetarians and don't care to see where meat comes from. I was thinking folks just wouldn't click on a video that they didn't care to see. Hard call. We're leaning towards not posting it.
Jim,
I have seen your range clips and enjoyed them. Being fairly local even asked where it was at. 100% pro 2 A! You make a very good point concerning choice to watch! That being said if you wish to post you should do so. You have put your daughter on a bit of a pedestal in her aviation career. What she does outside of the plane with her Dad is her business. I would in all honesty not watch. Hope this helps.
don't buy it cost to much to fix
I bought 3 airplanes since then. None of them were a Decathlon. This one was a little too rough.