Cessna 172 Cost of Ownership!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2022
- Thinking of buying a Cessna 172? Wouldn’t it be helpful to know the costs of ownership from an actual cessna 172 owner.
Watch until the end where I breakdown all the costs of ownership
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Ownership costs can vary widely depending on factors like location, owner pilot rating and experience, hours flown in a given year and on and on.
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Stumbled across your vid as my lifelong interest in aviation was recently reignited. I was happily surprised when you mentioned Yeager. I live on the west side just beneath the approach to runway 5. At 47 yrs old, I still hold out hope that I can earn my pilot’s license someday. I suppose I should be grateful sims have come so far. Thanks for the education on small aircraft ownership costs! All the best.
Small world
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Thanks for sharing your video. I enjoyed watching. Take care and God Bless.
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Greetings from Arkansas. Loved the info
Kerosene is more like Jet-A fuel. 100LL is a more like old leaded hi-test gasoline.
Yeah I got confused
I’ll have to correct that
Thanks for the insight
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@@aviationguys247 good video. 👍
The LL in 100LL means "low lead", even though it contains more tetra ethyl lead than automobile gasoline. In either case it acts as a detonation inhibitor. Meaning it prevents the fuel-air mixture from going 'bang' before it's suppose to. That is known as pre-ignition which can destroy an engine.
I can't taste the difference.
Nice Plane, my dad used to keep his 172 at Yeager Airport back in the 70's.
Small world
Yeager was so busy back they with GA planes
The cheapest way is to build an experimental aircraft and you can use auto conversion engine and be very reliable. You can then sign off your airplane inspection as a builder.
That’s for sure
@@aviationguys247 Most people look down on a simple KR2 with a 1915cc VW engine but they fly great.. I really liked the 1959 172 with the O290 but it was a dog compared to the very quick Kr 2. The VW was enough engine and never failed me for 15 years. All cylinders and heads replaced was about $ 700 , try that on a C65 . 3 gallons an hour and stressed to 6 Gs plus. It was cheap fun. It was a whole lot of fun and small enough to share a small T hanger . And you didn't have to strain to put it through the paces.
You haven't attended a lot of funerals of pilots have you ?
The annual is only the inspection. Parts are crazy expensive, and add to the total. A selector switch fuel valve for my Piper Comanche 250 was $497 back in 2004. I’m sure it’s gone up much more than that these days.
Yeah
My cousin had a fuel selector valve malfunction and he couldnt find one anywhere at any price so he ended up rebuilding it himself.
Parts are scarce and high
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I appreciate it
A door hinge on my 152 was quoted at $700 a few years back . New Battery - $1,000. New Prop - $7,000 ( in 2016) . new paint job - $16,000 ( in 2017) . The snazzy pointed spinner on the 152 ? ( three parts) - close to $1,000 , ( AOPA Parts Ad) not including painting .
Regarding insurance . . . what is the hull value? what are your liability limits and exclusions?
Bravo.thenks. go ahead
thank you for this video. nicely don. And you have a nice handwriting ;- )
A good video. I like those Cessna 172's.
thanks they are great planes and alot of fun to fly
Nice caddy in the back😎
So in conclusion it's about 25,000- 30,000 a year for you to own the Cessna when you include the hangar, subscriptions, insurance, and annual.
One certainly needs to be rich (at least upper middle class) to comfortably own this.
Thanks!
And this is on a 60+ year old airplane. BTW - I don't see a lot of folks putting 100 hours / year on their birds in my neck of the woods . That is close to 10 hours a month, presuming you are in a weather locale that allows a lot of flying
Thanks
In my experience its not the rising cost of fuel or parts but the hanger space and costs that are the biggest issues people run into that they underestimate.
Yeah it’s hard to find a hanger period.
Especially if you need a larger one for a twin or a jet.
And yes the prices of hanger space have skyrocketed
@@charlesrashid5675 I found that a KR2 is one hell of an airplane and literally spoiled me as to how forgiving it is and easy to fly. But it also shares a hanger real well . If you have to have liability insurance that's an additional cost.
I’ll check out the KR2
And we have a winner!! $$KA-CHING!$$ No kidding!
My hanger is $130 a month. It's damn near impossible to get one but they aren't expensive once you have it. I'm in Kansas city.
Seat stops are not sufficient to comply with the AD on seat rails. Not a bad idea, and a very good backup if wanted. But not compliant.
Thanks for watching and your input
I’ll look into that more
Good video! Just an FYI kerosene is in the same family as diesel vs 100LL is in the same family as gasoline. That's why if you put kerosene or diesel in a jar you have to use a torch to catch them on fire. However, with 100LL and gasoline, it will catch on fire with just a match. you can also run a diesel on kerosene just fine in fact I've done it without an issue.
Ok
Thanks for watching I appreciate the input
@@aviationguys247 absolutely, we're all learning new things. Keep up the good content.
Yeah, thought so too.
There aren't a lot of Diesel 172s in the sky. . Most 172's run on Avgas (100LL), unless you enjoy detonation , power failure and a rebuild ( around $25,000 ++ for a factory Reman) t. Around here 100LL runs about $6.50 / Gallon. Oil is $10.00 / Quart
And there I was, just about to put my deposit down on a Boeing 767 and then I watched this video 😭
I guess I'll have to put my £100 back under the mattress for now
Pretty plane.
We are planning on installing a Garmin GNC 355 later this year in our club plane. Are we going to need to have a subscription for updates that you mentioned in your video?
Jeppesen
I’m not familiar with that box specifically but if you want to fly IFR I would say you need the updates every 28 days
Yeah, many don’t have $13k a year to play with. Been doing the numbers like this for years. It never made any sense. I’ve been in a club that shares the cost of flying a pietenpol aircamper. Costs are nowhere near this of course. Plus we have a club atmosphere. Friendships. Nice VFR daytime only. Keeping it a cheap safe-ish sport.
That’s great
That’s really what it’s all about
Flying and friends
Oh my gosh. I've never flown one, although I've seen a couple of them. They must be a blast to fly. What's Vso? I imagine it's some ridiculously slow, read: very cool, speed. :)
Vso is 49 mph
I enjoy flying this plane in slow flight
If you catch the right wind at altitude you can actually go zero or negative ground speed
Pietenpol is a ton of fun. Stall speed is in the mid 30s. Cruise around 60mph
So am I little town of Southeast Missouri 100 LL has now went up to $11 a gallon… I don’t think I’ll be flying for a while
Wow that’s high
We’re now at $6.89
...and tell us about that classic car in matching colours lurking in the background 🤣
That’s my 1976 Cadillac Eldorado convertible!
500 cubic engine
Love that car
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Would you recommend this plane for sightseeing tours in the Caribbean ?
Yes really any high wing
182 can carry more weight but a 172 would do the job nicely
It was a good attempt. A for effort.
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That's a rebuttal?
Sir not to be too critical but you need to make sure the information you are relaying is accurate 100 low lead is not kerosene or diesel
Yes sir
I realized it after I posted
I’m going to make an updated video correcting that
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I’ll never understand the high price of something like a 172. It is low complexity and the development costs have been recouped long ago. I get the efficiencies that come from volume, but can’t help but compare to automobiles.
I agree
Its a proven classic that has had minor tweeks over the decades
@@aviationguys247 the real reason aircraft and parts are so ridiculously expensive is due to, 1) FAA certification rules and then fact that the FAA is a bloated government bureaucracy that had a mission to promote aviation. But then they changed the mission to make aviation Safe as well as an inability to move into the 20th century much less the 21st. 2) the biggest reasons are a litigations brought on by Greedy ambulance chasing Lawyers that have made themselves very wealthy by sue every one and every body when there is an innocent. Liability insurance is the first $100,000.00 of the cost of a new plane. It got so bad in the 80’s that Cessna stopped production till Congress stepped in and passed laws. A 172 today is a five hundred dollar bill, in the early 70’s is was a 15 thousand dollar bill lawyers did that.
New SR-22s run to over $1,000,000.. Don't believe me ? go price one. THAT is why there are so many 50, 60, and 70 year old airplanes on the ramp.
Good video, next time please use a microphone 😉
Will do
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That 76 [?] Eldorado is sweet
Did you mean to say $500 per hour for insurance? I think I maybe misunderstood that. So if you fly an average of 10 hrs per month you're going to pay $5k??
$500 per year
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Why is the Cirrus considerably more costly for the annuals? Unknowledgeable (at this time)
Love the videos btw
My annuals have ranged from $1200 to $12000
It really depends on what they find
On the last one I had it completely go they because i hadn’t had a cirrus service center go thru it. Also had to rebuild the mags. I can’t recall now what else they found but there were a couple of other costly items found.
In addition
Cirrus needs a parachute repacked every 10 years and that costs &10,000
And the seatbelts have airbags that need redone ever 5 years I think and that funds $5000
Hope this helps
I’m actually going to update this video because I made a few errors and I want to expand on all the costs including overhaul costs
@@aviationguys247 Thanks for the clarification … I was under the impression that just the inspection cost was the amount quoted, not including repairs found. (Which made the wide variability in cost not understandable) Makes more sense now! Like I stated, unknowledgeable, just hatching a crazy idea in my head and came looking for information. Keep up with the great videos!
I see why all planes I looked at for sale are around 1800 hours, isn’t that nice of them? Not only are you buying a plane but a repair bill right out the gate. That’s messed up.
Ashtrays on the seat backs! Sweet! Who cares what the plane costs!?
So what are annuals exactly? Was that the inspection?
Annuals are annual inspections that are required each year for a plane to remain airworthy.
Its a pretty detailed inspection of the entire plane
Then 100 hours will cost you 20.000 = $200 per hour. The speed is 150 miles per hour. Then 1 mile cost will be about $1.33
It's a damn expensive! It's a really money to noise converter!
No question it’s not cheap
But I must say it’s worth it
and that is based on 100 hours per year , which is a lot unless you're retired or live in an airpark .
Piston engines use AVGAS - essentially gasoline, 100 octane, low lead.
Turbine engines use AVTUR, essentially expensive kerosene.
What if you buy a plane and rent it out for other pilots that need for instance to making flying hours to get at least the minimum that is required. You can also have pilots that want to earn some money and fly with passengers and need a plane for that so they pay you a hourly fee so you can earn a littlebit each time to cover costs.
If you buy a more modern plane with digital screens and Garmin 1000 I assume you can fly IFR with ILS instead only VFR flying with a typical 172. Buying a much more modern Cessna can be very expensive but I think if you also rent it out many pilots will use it for training flights. So instead you make a huge investment and pay yearly a lot of money for maybe 100 flying hours. Is owning and automatically renting out the best solution to keep the costs at a bare minimum? You want at the end not only the fixed costs back but also a profit.
I would prefer going for flying a Cessna with Garmin 1000 so you have much more awareness where you fly. You can make a flight plans, fly even if the weather isn't great at some sectors and you can trust your instrument's to get not lost because planning and using only paper cards and something happens if you are at an unfamiliar place if you take for instance a long 5 hour flight. So a Cessna equipped with modern equipment and using a Flypad you don't have to be afraid if reading a paper chart isn't your strongest point where navigation is a very important point to be able to fly. But relying somewhat on digital navigation systems and have some weak points navigate just a map scanning visual to know where you are on thr map, so using modern systems that let you see where you are. A comparison everyone is driving with navigation and don't know how to use a paper map correctly. Is having some navigating weak points a problem to get your private pilot license?
Great thoughts
Its not that simple
This Cessna actually has a gns480 with waas and this plane is IFR
As far as renting the things you have to consider is the additional cost of insurance
The increased wear and tear on the plan and the increased maintenance costs associated with the additional hours put on the plane. It’s very possible but just things to consider
Thanks for your comments s
And when your insurance company finds out you are running a commercial operation ( renting an airplane for money , carrying passengers for hire, etc.) instead of a single user private pilot , watch your premiums and restrictions go right out of sight . Unless of course you don't tell them. and that little minor detail will probably cause your claim to be denied when your friend damages or crashes your airplane . .
@@carltonstidsen8806 I would prefer the official way so all paper is according to the rules so everything is OK.
Man, I really would love to fly my own plane. But even I could afford it, their is just too much stuff for my inept keister to keep track of. I'd have myself dead in a week 🤣
Have you ever taken lessons? If not, you should! Even if it's only once or twice. However, be warned! You may not be able to stop and could go broke. It's worse than an illicit drug habit. ;)
No AAA in the sky.
I will buy a Plane even if my wife divorce me. Lol
Would be nice to have that kind of cheese to own and fly. Looks like I'm stuck with my Hyundai.
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There are ways to get into flying on the cheap
Look into a flying club or civil air patrol
At 6.28 you say “....this engine has to be replaced every 1800 hours”. Are you sure? I understand Cessna engines cost tens of thousands of dollars to replace. Perhaps you mean overhauled or major service or suchlike.
Yes I meant major overhauled
Thanks for asking for clarification
HELLO AVIATION GUYS! I LIVE IN THE TROPICS AND JUST AQUIRED A BUSINESS LICENCE FOR A SEAPLANE FOR ISLAND TOURS. I AM BRAND NEW AT THIS AND REALLY ENJOY THE VIDEOS AND INFORMATION!! WILL BE WATCHING YOU!! I THINKING A 172 WITH PONTOONS.?
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I have a few hours in a seaplane
Too fun!
I'm wondering if this guy should own, or even be flying, if he doesn't know what kind of fuel his plane uses. Has me thinking he may be an accident looking for a place to happen.
100 LL is like kerosene?
AV gas is not kerosene by a long shot! AV gas 100LLis an alkyate gasoline of 100 octane. Diesel is measured in Cetane.
Is it worth keeping it IFR.
I think so
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I$believe$
So even to own a 60-year-old used basic trainer airplane requires you to have a significant amount of lettuce in the bank. Wow. And they wonder why GA is stagnant?
Yeah it’s not cheap for sure. To be fair thought
I could get costs down by leaving it outside or getting a cheaper hanger and shopping around a bit more
I don’t think a plane was ever for the blue collar worker….either is boating, sports cars, all toys in fact!
@@2Greenlid neither were automobiles for the average Joe when they first came out. Only the wealthy could afford one. But that changed. And that goes for a lot of technology that develops over the years. However in aviation, apparently it has never become affordable and never will.
@@BillSmith-rx9rm There is quite a lot going on these days in the world of personal aircraft these days. Think 1 or two passenger drones that can utilize G class air space. So maybe?
Saw an airplane I want go buy, saw this video, walked away from the airplane I wanted to buy. You are better off joining a club
Don’t disagree
Just really just depends on your mission and your goals
A club is a great way to own a plane
Nice plane. 100LL is not like kerosene. 100LL is hi-test gasoline with blue dye. Jet-A is basically purified kerosene. But good video otherwise.
Thanks for the comment
I plan on updating the video soon to correct that and expand on a few things I left out
Insurance is charged per hour ?
Insurance is by the year
I misspoke
Avgas isn’t kerosene
JetA is basically kerosene
Kerosene?
It runs on gasoline does it not.
Jet A is high grade kerosene
Correct
My mistake
yoooo WV
6:16 Engine has to be replaced every 1800 hrs ?!
Not replaced but it is suggested to be overhauled every 1800 hrs
@@aviationguys247 I purchased mine from A&P that owned it for about a decade before me, he decided to do top end inspection when it was getting close to TBO and he said there was not 1 thing that would make the engine un airworthy, he regretted doing it in the first place. Eventually I flew the plane home from NC to OR and I couldn’t be happier with the performance.
A lot more people now are coming to the conclusion to do an overhaul based on engine conditions instead of suggested TBO time, of which I’m a big proponent. Again, I’m speaking from a owner prospective not a business.
I find it slightly misleading but saying “…it need to be replaced” which is simply untrue. Anyhow, great video !
100ll is basically kerosene? It's just gasoline. Kerosene is more similar to diesel or jet-a
Yes I realize my mistake
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I quit when they made the chart data too small and LED display was too hard to see
That is why God made Foreflight with moving airplanes , magenta lines and expandable displays , and put it on an IPAD. . $200 / year gets a LOT of data , but I still fly with paper charts ( which are updated every TWO months now.) as a backup
Affordable
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The entire engine has to be replaced every 1800 hours? Did I hear that wrong? That's less than a year for a plane being used full time 8 hours a day. And every year you have to pull the engine out and put a new one in that sounds ludicrous.
It is a recommendation that it be overhauled every 1800 hours
All general aviation planes and even commercial have some similar requirements
There are different overhaul times depending on the engine
@@charlesrashid5675 Yeah, although there are many engines running 2500+ hours, no need to overhaul if you're doing good maintenance and have some luck
Correct for part 91 it is only a suggestion
Note : you did not say what it cost per year total cost.
It’s at the very end of the video
I recap totals
Like they say , If you have to ask it's too much! A free plane can be the most expensive.
Kerosene !! I dont think so. Highly leaded petrol.
Yeah my mistake
Thanks for pointing that out
It's all the FAA's obsolete rules...the small planes in Europe have way over taken the US in aircraft development
Wait you live in Charleston wv?
Yes
You?
@@aviationguys247 yes sir been flying with hanger 9. got about 6 hrs
@@ajnull6116 awesome
My hangar is 3B
@@charlesrashid5675 that's sweet maybe I'll see you up there sometime.
It’s NOT kerosene I can promise you that. It is highly flammable.
Yes sir
My mistake
Except you need fly frequently 13000 us dolar a year just in cost is too much. And if you have overall maintenance engine every ,1500 hours. This cost will burn your pocket. 😅
If you can't figure out the cost of ownership on a helicopter and aircraft you can't afford the thing anyway you're better off renting and unit that has proper maintenance done not by a newbie pilot and they don't want the aircraft having a catastrophic engine failure so they're going to do proper maintenance if not extra maintenance fast oil changes more oil tests so if you're watching this video you need to be renting not owning
I totally agree
Also depends on how much you fly
Most people only fly 10 to 20 hours a year and that makes it tough to justify the cost of ownership
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I never thought that flying was so expensive....you must be almost a miljonair....or at least have 60.000 or 80.000 of income a year...
Preferably six figures . Us peasants in the $60-80K range buy and fly 50 year old airplanes and hope for the best . The lawyers , Doctors and Hedge Fund Managers buy the new stuff. . It's like the old joke "If you have to ask "how much" you can't afford it.
I always dreamed of flying....but i guess it will stay a dream.....
Forever🥺😥😭😭
You never know
Don’t give up
Make it happen
I’ve seen movies from the 70’s where they fly these planes that look exactly like this. You would think the design would have advanced more by 2022. 🙄
They are still making this style today
Minor changes and tweeks but basically the same
They're still in production and have changed little other than the instruments. Oh, and the price. $xxxx,xxx Yeah. As far as overall design there's no reason to change it since it does exactly what it was intended to do. I have a lot of time in them as an instructor and in that role they excelled and were the first step up for students after the C150/152 for example. That said I haven't flown one in a number of years and may not be able to. My brain is no longer calibrated for such low speeds. ;)
Well it's still called cessna 172. But it has been modernized with screens inside, advanced autopilot, stability control. And there's difference in designs it might look the same from the front but there's some difference over the years.
Some modern whistles and bells ( trivia ?) but the basic design is still perfect for it's intended role.
100LL is gas, not kerosene
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Insurance at $500 per hour adds up quickly. Ha
So basically if you have a 9-5, you can't afford to have your own plane. You need to own your own mega business or be wealthy enough that your interest from your wealth can pay all the expenses and then some. And you need to fly enough to justify even having one in the first place. I would rather own a yacht. Neither of which will happen. But if that is you, more power to you.
It’s definitely not cheap but I have found ways to have others at least offset my cost of ownership
It’s my passion
I would say yachts are probably more expensive but to each his own
$1500. Or even $750 a month is insane for a hangar
Really depends on the hangar and the airport
It ranges widely
Kerosene? Really?
Yeah My mistake,
Just got out of a jet when i filmed that and made a mistake. I plan on updating this video since i just installed a 180hp lycoming engine and correcting my mistakes.
thanks for watching
normal old used cessna 172 or good lucky 182 found 30k-55k not 100k pay than idiot. engine found 2000-6000$ and repair cost max 4000$ paint can do in home cost less than 2000$ and ready to fly found lot old cessna million hangar in usa less than 60k
To each their own
From what I’ve seen this is the nicest and cheapest 172 on the market.
If you are mechanically inclined and comfortable working on your plane then mor power to you
That’s not me unfortunately
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You put kerosene (!) in your 172 ?? Avgas , pal is NOT Kerosene. JET FUEL IS !!. Let me know next time you fly with both tanks full of kerosene.. I;ll call the papers to witness the crash when the engine quits .
100 LL is not kerosene it's gasolene. I'm beginning to wonder if this guy even owns an airplane.
Yes my mistake
I’m putting a new engine in this 172 and I plan on correcting the errors I made on this video
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* Hangar, not hanger.
Yes thanks
Fat finger
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For the love of GOD, please buy a tripod and STAND STILL !!!!!!
Did 5000 hours in 172s... Didn't cost me a cent.... Boom.
Ain't no such thing as "free Flying" . Sweat Equity at best . I flew 172s for Civil Air Patrol for 40 years and put up with all their horse****t , regulations , politics, and paperwork , flying for all the Alphabet Agencies . Or fly commercially , be a CFI , etc. There are ways to reduce your flying cost , but no one is going to hand them to you..
wery old 1967 cessna maximum cost 45k $ not good wery old.
I haven’t seen any 172: this well equipped under $79k
The nice thing about airplanes is they are inspected annually and any issues are addressed before they become a problem.
A planes panel can be more expensive than the airframe itself.
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dang only for the rich
Not if you can use it to improve your business or simply save time. Everything has a cost
Terrible audio management makes this video not watchable. I hope you pay more attention to your flying
than you did to making this.
I stopped the video when he said that insurance is under $500 an hour
My mistake
Obvious error
Insurance is just under $500 per year
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@@aviationguys247 I need a renters insurance any recommendation when it comes to insurance company
@@macv17 I’m not sure about the insurance company
But we you the Hoxton agency In WV and the have been great for us
$750 a month for a concrete slab inside an aluminum box with a few overhead lights🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah not cheap
What a racket
Cheap at the price . Around here , hangars run at $900 - 1,000/ Month IF you can find one.
im not buying one
Planes are expensive but they offer many joys and freedoms. - you can still enjoy the benefits by renting or sharing expenses
Not a good video. You should redo it.
Thanks for watching
Can you tell me what you thought needed redone?
@@aviationguys247 it is a good video
Audio is TERRIBLE!
Thanks for watching
I’ll see if I can enhance it
100LL Avgas Is “essentially kerosine?” Noooo, 100LL is gasoline. JetA is essentially kerosine. “Aviation Guys” huh?
Nice plane! But Hard PASS I can barely afford a bus 🚎 pass
Understood
Keep after it
Sooo….your watching airplane videos?