scaling dragon ball against other anime is often weird to me because dragon ball is very upfront about characters being able to blow up planets, galaxies, and universes, its a common statement. Meanwhile something like bleach is so much more focused on the body to body damage being cause, and only really in hindsight do you think "oh wait yhwach was about to just casually tear about the universe"
Bleach has universal scaling statements every so often, like Hueco Mundo being infinite, Kenpachi fighting unohana In an infinite void, hell having multiple infinite realms and so on
@@Tapedat_stk Yes universal feats, Ichigo was destroying hell from the bottom layer. Ywach was going to collapse 3 spaces all stated to be infinite in size at some point. Yamamoto's bankai would destroy the soul society if he's not careful, which is also stated to be universal
I wouldn’t count “composite yhwach” as different because the sternrieters powers all derived from yhwach. The only real different form I’d say there is would be after he absorbed the soul king
This is what happens when people start judging something without knowing all the facts. Who the hell said all the sternritter's power originally belonged to yhwach? He might as well have just faded soul society all on his own from the beginning. How are people this ignorant?
@@Nihilism69 this is what happens when a dodo bird decides to call others ignorant. A Sternritter is created when a Quincy drinks Yhwach's blood from the royal chalice, enabling Yhwach to carve a part of his soul into that Sternritter. This carving takes on the form of a letter, which is used as the designation of the Sternritter as well as granting them their unique powers. They’re normal quinces until yhwach blesses them. Try not being a clown and try having a conversation. Or at least fact check yourself man
@@TheKingchance23 That's not my point Thick head. Saying all the powers the sternritters wielded in the war were already in fact accessible to Yhwach is so erroneous it's a crime. Either you haven't read the source material or didn't pay attention. Either way you're being very stern about something you didn't carefully evaluate. Yhwach doesn't share powers he himself inherently possesses, the only power he had from the beginning was granting supernatural gifts to people in exchange for absorbing their souls after they died. He further explains, that when yhwach is done absorbing a soul, he retains all the person's ; memories, knowledge and powers. Like bro, why are you fighting for something that's inaccurate? Any decent bleach fan knows this. If you haven't read all the books, just say so.
If we want to say Reishi and Ki are similar for scaling purposes, you'd think the Quincy's control over all things reishi would come into play a lot more. I would expect it to be a bit like Moro vs Goku, in that the longer the fight goes the less likely Goku would win that battle.
@@kakashihatake1029 the problem with that is both reishi and ki have ability negation when the targeted person is vastly stronger, if Yhwach tried to change a future related it'll likely just not work. Furthermore this is supposed to be a situation where they fight to kill one another why would he adjust the future to not meet Goku, even if his future changing ability could work he would probably aim to attack a goku in the future who is in base or weakened
@@amosedeaghe1368 Ability negation only works if it affects stronger one directly, which Almighty bypasses by addecting time instead of Goku. Same as when it was used on Ichigo who outscales Yhwach in stats atleast 3 times not taking acount of injuries and exhaustion which is plenty enough to be able to negate it but it didnt.
It feels weird that yhwach supposedly has all the sternritter haxes but never uses them. Youd think something like the visonary used by a far more powerful and smart individual like him would be extremely useful for the situations yhwach found himself in. This kinda leads me to a couple of conclusions. 1: All the sternritter haxes have a limit to them regardless of how powerful the individual using them is and simply using the almighty is better or 2: By the time yhwach gains these abilities the reiatsu negation part of bleach was in effect, someone like ichigo just wouldnt be effected by the haxes something the almighty can bypass(to an extent). This would then apply to goku to since the gap between his power and yhwachs is so big i dont think even the almighty could save him.
Wait it out, buddy. They may fix that in the upcoming anime episodes. The Manga Writer didn't want to write bleach anymore. So he rushed the ending. Albeit, I may argue that Ywach doesn't use them and that he doesn't need the other stern ritter powers. He just wanted to get their abilities for the Power AMP. The Almighty is literally the only hack he needs, lol.
Or the most logical one there is not a limit it is just that they forgot about him having all the powers and just used the all mighty because if he could use all the stertittets powers he could not lose they woudent even of been able to survive long enough to use the thing that stoped his powers for a little
@@mastersword506 bro it is not like he didn't have feeling to write rushed ending cause he was not enjoying or whatever the thing is his health was not good from the half of the tybw and his health got worsened throughout the time so he rushed the ending and left so many things which are getting fixed in anime by author and in the recent episode by the last moment of ichigo it looks like he will be getting almighty or some divine hax power
I understand the statement where abilities can be bypassed with someone or something being stronger, but it kind of just doesn't add up for the Bleach verse. Tsukishima was able to affect Ichigo with his ability and it's quite obvious Tsukishima is almost nothing when in comparison to his power within TYBW. Then there was also the plan where Orihime was meant to reject the existence of the Hogyoku, but she failed in doing so. When Aizen had explained, he said nothing of the Hogyoku being unaffected by Orihime due to there being a difference between their power. And then we have Aizen who was able to put Yhwach in an illusion, who was for sure on an entirely different level than Aizen after absorbing the Soul King. It may not be such a thing to push into the topic when you add universal scaling, but I just wanted to get my thoughts in
That’s Bleach not Ki. Negating people’s abilities if they are weaker than you is apart of the DB power system so you can’t just ignore it to suite your narrative. On top of that, how are we forgetting about Aizen??? He literally was stated to be so strong that he was negating the abilities of the other shinigami using their abilities on him.
Orihime was never shown trying to erase the Hogyoku, so you can't say that she failed. It seems like she never even got the chance to attempt it, but it probably wouldn't have worked, and idk how that's a part of your argument, as if Orihime is stronger than the Hogyoku. And doesn't the fact that Aizen was able to put Yhwach in an illusion just prove that he IS on his level?
This might be headcanon but I'm pretty sure that Ywach uses Gremmy's technique in tandem with The Almighty to destroy Zanpacto, the same way that Gremmy used it to turn Yachiru's bones into cookies. Additionally, I think Ywach used The Miracle to revive himself as essentially an energy (mimihagi) construct the same way that Gerard did (I think this is actually why he absorbed Gerard in the first place, as he was actually pressured enough to want a fail-safe). Additionally, it is very possible that Ywach used X-axis to penetrate Aizen, given the type of wound that Aizen received (a perfectly cylindrical hole of deleted space that should have been difficult to pull off on Aizen specifically because of his seals condensing his spiritual pressure for offensive and defensive ends). Hell, even the attack Ywach performed on Aizen where he basically ate Aizen while reconstituting his body could have been an implementation of one of the Sternritter Schrifts (the gluttony).
@psychicnecrosis8376 I hope to god they make your headcanon the actual canon in the anime. I’ve had the same kind of thoughts about this for years. It never really sat right with me that Yhwach just casually takes out his two strongest remaining pieces left on the board for what seems to be no reason at all other than the obvious wrapping up of the series within 5 chapters lol. Having something as simple as Ichigo pressuring Yhwach and forcing him to do that would go a long way to fixing some of the issues with the ending.
Thats not the case considering Yhwach explicitly states that its with the Power of Almighty he got resurrected by REWRITING that FUTURE. "My Power alters the future. I can even Rewrite the FUTURE IN which i die."
@@abyzz4419its even more busted than that. He can see all future timelines, as well as alternate timelines and pick from those. So when he destroyed ichigo’s bankai, he picked a future in which it was destroyed and it retroactively changed the past and present so that it was already destroyed. In other words, the almighty allows him to see all possible futures AND change the past and the present to conform to the reality he wants to be true.
I don't know about the X Axis, cause they never actually showed Yhwach absorbing him, and I heard that he's still alive somewhere in Soul Society, in one of the Light Novels. Pretty sure he didn't even eat Aizen either, just attacked him with some of his reiatsu. And he did explicitly say that he used the Almighty to revive himself, which just makes it even better honestly. And it's also pretty obvious that Yhwach can use the Almighty, even after he dies, so idk why people use the speed blitz argument, when him dying literally doesn't matter. Hakai also wouldn't work, cause Ichibei also tried existential erasure against Yhwach and it didn't do jack cause Yhwach saw the ability in the future, and it became powerless before him. Kinda went off topic there, but I guess the only one which he could've used is the Visionary, but it doesn't really make sense with the way you described it. Yhwach can foresee and alter the future, but you kinda make it sound like he can't alter the future and he can only do it if he has the Visionary. If he needs the Visionary in order to break Ichigo's sword, then what does him altering the future do? And you also said he used the Miricale to revive himself, so you pretty much make it sound like he can't alter the future. While I am one of the people who thinks he CAN use all of the Sternritter abilities, it was just never shown and your examples don't really add up. I really do hope they either give some kind of an explanation, or just straight up show him using the powers in the anime. The silver arrow will neg all of his abilities anyways, so why not?
I just wanna say that Jiren is no way near beerus’ level, in the dbs manga it has been stated that jiren is only stronger than his own god of destruction and not all of them, furthermore in the manga we can see beerus literally playing with ssbe vegeta like it’s nothing which means beerus was holding back by a lot during their fight with Goku during the battle of gods
@@rustyssj9467 yeah mainly for plot convenience because theres no point of goku and vegeta to be training under beerus if they end up being stronger than him so soon
@@davidola2034 Yeah goku got beerus level or close, but got rewritten to be even stronger than ultra instinct when its suppossed to be a tranformation of angel level, that no god of destruction could learn yet
@@asoretwell beerus has been shown to use it at least to some effect in the manga, but as pointed out by whis it’s not perfect. Which makes sense seeing how the mind set you need to tap in to ui vs ue or just g.o.d power in general are pretty different. But it does seem that ue is at least somewhat on par with ui in terms of power (at least in the hands of a mortal), so while it’s true that an angel is stronger then a god of destruction it wouldn’t surprise if it wasn’t by too much.
@@Notacat18 Factor 1 Jugram had the All Mighty during the time he slept and covered the timeline where he died in a dream like state basicaly tricking Yhwach Factor 2 Uryu used "antithesis" on the arrow that was made to deactivate a quincies powers for a moment"basicaly the allmighty couldn't reverse it at that point because antithesis has the same potential as the Allmigthy Factor 3 Ichigo's zangetsu can cut trough fate itself
Yeah yhwach with the 27 Sternritter powers would have a few ways to beat Goku, most of the powers wouldn’t be useful though. Abilities: A - Uryu Ishida (The Successor) Ability: The Antithesis - Allows him to switch anything that occurred between two objects or people. This is honestly a cheap, but effective way to beat Goku. B - Jugram Haschwalth (The Grandmaster of The Sternritter) Ability: The Balance - Allows him to redirect misfortune towards an opponent or enemy while absorbing. I do not see this working on Goku, but who knows absorbing worked in the past, but ultra instinct, and the power gap seems to be a problem for that power. C - Pernida Parnkygas (Schutzstaffel member Ability: The Compulsory - It is able to shoot nerves that can control a person's movements and can warp individuals parts. It also has the ability to evolve. Goku’s screwed of he plays around with Yhwach using this power, the evolution would make it so he could defeat Goku easily. D - Askin Nakk Le Vaar (Schutzstaffel member) Ability: The Deathdealing - He can control the lethal dosage of blood in a person's body and lower it to make it fatal to them. He can also create poison to take out his opponent. The blood part would probably not work on Goku, but poisoning him with ki is definitely a great way to defeat Goku, we saw how poisonous ki affected Gohan. E - Bambietta Basterbine Ability: The Explode - She shoots reishi bullets that transform whatever it touches into bombs,. Honestly it’s not as useful as the other powers, but maybe Yhwach could combine it with other powers, making it broken. F - As Nodt Ability: The Fear - He can induce fear into his opponent using fear thorns. This one would probably not affect Goku because of the power gap, and ki barrier, along with ultra instinct dodging it. G - Liltotto Lamperd Ability: The Glutton - She can consume anything she chooses using her mouth. Could be useful, but I do not see Yhwach using it, unless it’s one of those fights with Goku biting the main villain. H - Bazz-B Ability: The Heat - He can manipulate fire. 1 - Cang Du Ability: The Iron - He can make his skin iron which makes him invulnerable to physical damage. Basically Nova Sheron, it’s a useful power, but it would just be dodged, but if Yhwach infused it with the first captain’s bankai, it could be a very useful power. J - Quilgie Opie Ability: The Jail - He is able to create jails made of reshi that are inescapable to those who are non-Quincy. Yhwach could use the all mighty to trap him in it, but he could probably break out of it or just use his spirit fission, and genkai Dama training on the energy cage, honestly he might copy the powers of Yhwach. K - BG9 Ability: Schrift remains unknown but he has the ability to extract data from an opponent which possibly means his ability is "The Knowledge". It’s useful for adapting towards an opponent. L - PePe Waccabrada Ability: The Love - He is able to make people fall in love with him and make them do his bidding by firing heart-shaped projectiles. It wouldn’t work, and I do not think Yhwach would use it. M - Gerard Valkyrie (Schutzstaffel member) Ability: The Miracle - He is able to convert physical damage into increasing his strength and might which causes him to regenerate from physical damages while becoming stronger and larger. He could combine it with other powers, and it wouldn’t even be a fight, but Goku did deal with somebody with a similar power, but they were not immortal, but apparently the cross in the body is the weakness of that power. N - Robert Accutrone Ability: His schrift remains unknown although he is shown to be very fast which possibly means his schrift is "The Nimble". O - Driscoll Berci Ability: The Overkill - His power increases with each kill that he has. Not useful in a 1v1. P - Meninas McAllon Ability: The Power - She has superhuman strength. Q - Berenice Gabrielli Ability: The Question - She is able to induce self-doubt into an enemy. Probably wouldn’t work Goku’s body would react towards that. R - Jerome Guizbatt Ability: The Roar - He is able to create sonic screams. I’m not sure how useful that would be against somebody that could scream away the universe with ease, since Buuhan almost did that. S - Mask De Masculine Ability: The Superstar - He becomes more powerful and mighty with each cheers that he receives. Combine that with other powers, and have him create a army to cheer him on, and he’s unstoppable. T - Candice Catnipp Ability: The Thunderbolt - Candice can create lighting bolts to use as attacks. U - NaNaNa Naiahkoop Ability: The Underbelly - NaNaNa is able to analyze his targets reiatsu over a certain amount of time which allows him to determine an opponent's spiritual power distribution. He then implints his letter into the target and it forms grid patterns and he pinpoints hoeles which causes them to increase until the opponent's reiatsu deplets which knocks them out. Seems very effective, definitely a power to use. V - Gremmy Thoumeaux Ability: The Visionary - He is able to imagine anything which will become reality. Basically Janemba, but with extra perks. W - Nianzol Weizol Ability: The Wind - He is able to deflect anything that approaches him. Useful. X - Lille Barro (Schutzstaffel Leader) Ability: The X-Axis - He can pierce anything he shoots with perfect accuracy and he is able to be intangible. Sounds like Granola, but without the ability to see vital points, but he is made out of light. Y - Loyd Llovd Ability: The Yourself - He is able to copy a target's powers and abilities. Combined with all of the other powers, it’s child’s play for Yhwach to win really. Y - Royd Lloyd Ability: The Yourself - He is able to copy a targets appearance and memories. Memories are very useful, mainly with all of his other powers. Z - Giselle Gewelle Ability: The Zombie - She can control anyone with her blood once it touches their skin.
I’ve heard some people say that since the planet sized universe in dragon ball is infinite, but nothing compared to the sky’s surrounding it, that the Dragon ball Macrocosm is 5D, not just Multiversal.
Dbs cosmology is beyond 5d and can be scaled to 12d. It has infinite realms in infinite realsm it has a 6d hyperspace etv and infinite timelines and ,,worlds".
@@MidFed Imagine when goku resisted reality warping effected immagine when goku resisted law manipulation,immagine begin speedblitz and don’t even have the time to use the ability immagine try to use your ability but begin erased out of existence
If you do composite Yhwach can you also do composite Goku then as well using movie scaling ? The only thing this would really change would would be gokus speed but it gets stupid fast.
Comp goku negs beyond negs. Literally no concept of diff what so ever. Xeno goku in base is enough for comp yhwach tbh. And Xeno goku is only the 3rd or 4th strongest variant
Bro you tryn to violate Yhwach pitting him against comp goku this goku is basically higher outerversal+ not even the booty clapper kratos can't beat him💀
Another thing, we don’t know if Ywhaches body needs to exist for almighty to work, i think it does bc after he is dead, and the effects of the arrow wear off his spiritual pressure still remains however, Almighty never takes affect, returning him to life
@@apexartist9618and some of his powers are the legit embodiment of Nuh UH so much so he while not having power changed the future and gave himself all his powers and also exploded his enemy who was primordial into tiny meat chunks. He could probably just choose a future where goku gets cancer or overdosed on ketamine and just force the universe to become that future.
@@apexartist9618 you dragon ball fans can never read whis has hinted Immortal beings cannot be erased from hakai so no it’s not erasing soul just the body confirmed by beerus
@@Bigtwinkissac209 lmao insulting someone while not having a clue of what you're talking about is crazy.... haki is stated to erase a person from existence completely across timelines. The only reason future zamasu survived is because of the time ring. That's why being erased or destroyed by beerus was such a big threat in a world where you can be wished back to life... they said there's no afterlife for them at all. You can quite literally see beerus erase a ghost too. Its like you said "confirmed by beerus'' like i didn't know that was a lie lol. Even if i didn't know, its one google/UA-cam search away.
Goku's base form gets massively stronger throughout super after the universe 6 tournament he gets at least 10 times stronger since he needed ssbkkx10 to contend with hit during the tournament to only needing ssb afterwards, goku would also gets possibly 1000s of times stronger than what he was at the end of the uni 6 tourney in the goku black arc since he was able to hold his own against merged zamasu with ssbkkx10 even though both him and vegeta were getting beaten by ssr goku black with relatively low effort, then after zamasu turns to infinite zamasu goku is somewhat confident that he would be able to stop him if only he had a senzu bean which I assume infinite zamasu is stronger than the corrupt zamasu that gave ssb vegito some trouble (at least in the anime), then after going ui for the first time he gets 500 - 1000 (depending on if he was ssj or ssj2) times stronger than what he was at the start of the TOP because he went from being manhandled in ssb by a raging out ssj kale to being able to fight an even stronger ssj kale while also fighting caulifla at the same time while being heavily drained, then it wouldnt be too huge of a stretch to apply that same or a bit lower of a multiplier after he goes ui for a second time
@@Fw_Nameless yhwach changed timelines of an entire universe and since physical universes have 11 dimensions to them and there are multiple physical realms in bleach each being a universe as well as an infinite void outside of those universes. yhwach still chooses a timeline where Goku turned into a monkey with a meth addiction who got betrayed and trapped in a hyperbolic time zoo.
@@mrafishonascreen2986but both verses use multiverse theory so it's irrelevant. If yhwach goes to another timeliness where he wins he leaves a timeliness where he loses 1-1.
he isn’t really lying opm fans high ball saitama stronger than goku with such Crazy feats those crazy feats are sneezing the air from Jupiter lmao Toaster already proved that Saitama stops at Buu saga
@@Xeno1_3 he still high balled him to buu saga. I still believe cell claps the hell out of saitama if we consider the statements stated for frieza in namek saga Being he was universal
@@xenobulmanah bro, what your saying is complete dbz wank and opm lowball, saitama stops at buu saga, his best feat is at worst multi solar, and at best galaxy.
Ywachs almighty renders him invulnerable to any power he has seen and he sees the future all futures and no it's not selective in a way that you can say a specific power is not affected by this because it is superior since he bypassed a reality alteration ability that left him without powers using the allmighty so even if you take his powers away by altering reality his power still works and he just becomes immune to that you can still kill him but he will just resurrect again and again there is only one way to finish him
@@fireknight12390 You have to understand that Yhwach could literally collapse all realities with a thought. Ichigo didn't register as a threat, because if it wasn't for the unique circumstances of Aizen having used Kyoga Suigetsu before Yhwach activated his Almighty to implant false visions, Uryu suspending his abilities with Stillsilver, and Ichigo subsequently overpowering him...there was no threat. He could literally unmake his own death retroactively. Mainly the Stillsilver arrow The arrow is like a kryptonite to him
@@SHINZAtachiWhy didnt he rewrite his death... Ya know... After his death when parts of him still existed? I guess it wouldn't be interesting since they won't have that arrow anymore and Ywach would just one shot everyone who knows about the arrow, but still.... Just let my man have a believable death 😢
@@step1saysomethingcontrover320 When shot with it, all of his abilities will for a moment stop working. Ichigo used that brief window to kill him again, and apparently, Yhwach can't just immediately pop back if you kill him when his abilities are sealed. And normal sealing wouldn't work only arrow have power To seal his powers
Im glad you did regular Yhwach instead of composite Yhwach because it gets boring at that point. Just him having The Visionary is broken since unlike Gremmy, I doubt Yhwach wouldnt be able to imagine himself stronger than Goku. Honestly the Visionary is stupidly broken depending on the users mindset.
There's no reason to not use it though, which is dumb... compositing is literally Yhwachs power. Thats how he got so powerful. Base form, he was a baby that couldn't even see or feel.
Isnt the character Yhwach supposed to be literally god? I dont watch or read Bleach, but he is clearly named after YHWH. So it makes sense that his powers are basically omnipotent when the inspiration for the character was god.
Was kinda surprised when he said goku wins until he then clarified it was base ywach pretty much and not with all the sternritter abilities then i was like ahhhh ok makes sense
Something to add is that when the Vegeta and Nappa were on their way to Earth Fortune Teller Baba was asked to see what the future holds and she said she could not see any of the individual futures of the Zfighters and the Saiyans making it possible that Yhwach isn't even able to see Goku using the Almighty
The almighty is all seeing. The only way the almighty can’t see or predict someone’s future is if they have a connection to the soul king. That’s the only limit to the almighty in regards of seeing the future. So that argument is pointless no offense.
@@godzilla4940uhh may i add something . You know darvin from mutants in Marvel his hax is ADAPT . That mf hax can predict opponent easily adapt his charecter to make him win . His hax made him adapt to death making him immortal . But against world breaker hulk his hax simply teleport him away. Now if you have brain understand what I wanna say
@@abhijeetgolder7535 I don’t understand how that’s relevant but alright. Anyway Darwin’s mutant power is different than yhwach’s almighty. One has limitless evolution and the other has future sight and reality alteration. Elaborate what you’re getting at.
@@godzilla4940 shh yhawch almighty sees POSSIBILITIES same as de strange and analyse it for yhawch and manipulate it for him to win . Cause bleach doesn't have actual multiverse . And Darwin adaptation is similar it's extent in comic is stated unknown and when it meets an opponent where it can't do anything it's finds best way for him to survive . Same YHAWCH ability after analysing everything just tp away him .
@@godzilla4940 and future sight is not op seriously yhawch got shocked with his future sight . And countless charecters in manga and other series have fked up pepole with that ability . Yhawch have slightly different it tries to alter the the course of action for him to win after many runs . Like how Dr strange saw 14 million possibility and found one for them to win . That's how he alter the future . Otherwise he shouldn't been defeated no matter who is involved . But that's not the case .
I’m actually curious about this whole Goku vs Nasuverse video you were considering doing. Is this something to look forward to soon, not for a while, or not at all?
i think nasuverse is really hard to scale due to gaia not letting anyone destroy the planet. and pretty sure some people will think that fate characters are only continental but keep in mind that destroying a planet in nasuverse is kinda hard. heck if goku goes to nasuverse i am pretty sure he is on par with some divine spirits or lesser grand level (chinese mothman).
@@ToasterXDI bet it was a pain in the ass. I was a debate with a guy who constantly downplayed Gilgamesh despite the various universal statements and feats. Let alone all the higher dimensional feats
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Yhwach is just the kind of character who is no fun to talk about because theres no middle ground. If you don't impose any limits on his ability then he is impossible to beat because he can literally revive himself. And unlike other characters with revival powers it doesn't even matter if he gets blitzed. On the other hand though if you impose limits on his power then it is equally boring since he will just lose to every character stronger than him he might as well be a guy with only raw power. Furthermore we don't know the limits of the almighty but its untrue that he can only manifest futures that hes capable of making himself. Ichigo is so much stronger than yhwach that he one shot him twice. In normal circumstances there is no future in which yhwach breaks ichigo's bankai or horn. Yet with the almighty he did both instantly. So its just a massive question mark that can never be answered. If he has no limit to what future he can manifest he can just make the future be that goku dies even though he never did this in bleach when he should've. Same for gremmy i guess but gremmy is proven to have limits shown by him needing to make more bodies to achieve certain feats Gojo is the biggest example of this because even though yhwach makes him look completely fair and balanced gojo is much more popular and well known and also gojo needs like 20 abilities to get that strong and tons of BS explanations of how nothing works on him while yhwach only needs one. Anyway imo these characters are badly designed for these discussions and for battles inside their own series too. Tbf tho it isn't like goku is much better. With him it just comes down to a stronger character than him will beat him and a weaker one will lose. The only discussion is which of goku's feats count as feats and which ones don't. In terms of pure stats it actually is close if you count gremmy's galaxy room and the soul king holding together the dimensions/creating them in the first place as usable feats. One thing people arguing about the size of dimensions in bleach pass over without seeing is that muken underneath soul society was said to be infinitely large by unohana. So even if the world of the living isn't our universe (which i don't see why it wouldn't be) soul society is confirmed to stretch on for infinity. So thats at least one universe at a minimum. If we assuming all realms are comparable in size thats 3 or more universes and the kicker is the garganta surrounding them was also said to go up in smoke if the soul king dies by ganju or something i can't remember. That garganta is basically the hyperuniverse that dragonball has. An endless void around infinitely large universes. However it should be noted yhwach couldn't handle the totality of the soul king's power anyway so he doesn't scale. The new anime showed ichigo was able to handle the soul king's power though which makes sense because he is shown to be way stronger than yhwach, hax not factored in. But i'm not stuck into this VS stuff enough to know whether either of those things count or not. These discussions always devolve into favoritism anyhow. I feel like the soul king physically separating the primordial realm into the rest (which is essentially creating them) is much more solid than saying hes that strong because his life is holding them together. That leaves a bit of room for doubt. Personally i think the multiverse stuff in bleach and the super multiverse stuff in dragonball is all kinda bullshit because in most of the fights the scale of every attack is nowhere near that level.
Small correction: Jiren is stronger than destroyer of HIS universe, not all destroyers. So it's still possible Beerus is stronger than Jiren. And considering that in a short skirmish between all destroyers Beerus was one of two last ones standing while Belmod chose to pretend to be unconscious makes me think Beerus is far stronger than the majority of destroyers- by how far is probably impossible to tell.
I think, in the end, this is up to opinion, is yhwach's allmighty so strong that goku's stats are irrelevent or is goku so powerfull that allmighty is irrelevent
You have made one mistake Yahwach is 5D possibly 6D you scaled him to dangai which is just a small hyperscape in the graganta that holds many infinite 4D spaces and yhwach scales above it since he was obserbing and creating a new world
@@jaycash7490with the same yeah he destroys his hax cause of ki is like saying JoJo characters cant beat one peace characters cause they have haki or some shit
@@jaycash7490 you are low iq in short, goku is higher dimensionality being whit infinite speed hax dont apply to him from weaker being not to mention he needs to activate that shit and he gets speed blitzed.
you are low iq in short, goku is higher dimensionality being whit infinite speed hax dont apply to him from weaker being not to mention he needs to activate that shit and he gets speed blitzed.
The Gods of destruction also have a range of strength. Beerus may be the strongest. And saying Jiren is stronger than A god of destruction, doesn't mean every god of destruction. Plus Beerus base being at the level, knowing Beerus has Ultra Instinct, means he could tap into that if he ever felt it was a close fight and then wouldn't be touched at that time. So no, at that time goku isn't stronger than Beerus, neither is Jiren. Even if they're stronger than Rat God of Destruction.
Yeah it was weird that he said that I mean wouldn’t the series technically be over then, beerus would of had his final climactic fight with goku he’s been waiting so long for lol
Its cause these youtubers say anything for views. They play ignorant with bad one liners and stretch them. They take parts of the anime and ignore anything in it that disproves them. IE vegeta being way stronger than versions of goku and him in tournament of power arc and still getting one tapped by beerus casually. @@IanAOK But hey its easier for these youtubers to be dented in the brain. The world needs clowns after all ;o
Beerus is stated as the strongest or joint-strongest with Quitela, per the Manga God of Destruction mini-tournament that took place pre-ToP. Jiren was stated by Whis as stronger than Beerus, and thus, all Gods of Destruction.
@@trenth9065 yeeeeeahno.. sorry but is stated to be stronger than A god of destruction, not all of them Whis: “I dare say… like a God of Destruction. He is one who has reached that state.” Whis: “Perhaps even surpassed it” Whis: “There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can not defeat” Whis: “It appears that rumor is true”
i agree with this 100% if it's a bloodlusted goku who will just blitz him. now, if this is in character goku yhwach slams since he'd have plenty of time to see into all different types of futures, he'd steal his powers, nullify everything, and boom
Yo guys Guys Chill, I love Bleach I like the art and the characters in it but DBZ characters are just simply on another lvl in terms of a physical fight they out class every other anime be it speed, durability, raw striking power DBZ is just another breed. Yhwach has a VERY strong power but it is like looking at someone who is pointing a gun to you, yes you know that they are gonna shoot at you and u can guess where they are aiming but lets be real you are not faster than a bullet and that speed diff is just too big of a gap for this to a fight.
Its not even close. After absorbing soul king. Yhwach becomes omnipotent. While current Goku is around Multi Universal or extra dimensional. So this fight isnt even close. Even if Yhwach dies, he can change his future to way he wants it to be. So even if he dies, he's never truly dead. Even if Goku somehow ends up beating Yhwach. He'll just come back stronger since he's immortal.
Dbs base goku bodies the verse badly yhwach is low universal goku with cosmology and feats is outerveral or higher personally me I got him at high outer to boundless crazy part is beerus whis grand priest Zeno are still stronger
Mad respect for you for making this video, and just in case, I am so sorry if anyone starts being stupid and starts harassing you because of this video. You made a good argument
I’d say Goku IS stronger than Yhwach on his own. But in regards to who’d win, I think it ultimately depends on how the Almighty works exactly and whether it has any limitations. Can it change the future in ANY way the user wants, or is it limited by the user’s strength. For example, what if Kon had the Almighty and wanted to use it to break a giant boulder. Would it work, or not do anything because him, as a plush, is too weak in order to realistically do any damage. I’m not sure if Goku would negate his hacks just because he can do the same to abilities in HIS series. And although that’s how it works in Bleach, they’re still both operating under different power systems. Blitzing Yhwach wouldn’t really work either because he can bring himself back with the Almighty, unless Goku kills him BEFORE it’s even activated (but for the sake of this, let’s assume they’re both already in their strongest forms).
@@victorampo1137 It does work. It just dont work against the original user, the Soul King ... Of course it does not work against itself. Since Yhwach is without a doubt the strongest character in Bleach - and a transcendet one - it is unclear, if it would work, because in Bleach nobody stands above him
id give Ywach the slight edge in this, high diff fight but with Ywachs Hax i see him eventually beating Goku, though that is IF he uses his hax. In character (what we saw in the manga) he didnt use a single one of the schrifts he got back from the sternritters, if he stays that way in a fight against Goku then even with the Almighty its mid diff for SSJB goku and no diff for Mastered UI Goku.
Yhwach's thing, is, always using somebody to get stronger and live longer, he takes the matured abilities and knowladge of every Sternritter/Shutztaffel member to get himself stronger. Just like he did it when he was a baby, that's his natural ability. If we talk about Yhwach without his all capabilities, any Yhwach vs x is pointless imo, so i am happy to hear that you will do that as well.
I'm just glad someone was able to prove or debate that Characters like Ywhach and Ichigo are debatable ssg tier. Nothing surpasses blue in their verse but at least they're universal+. Stronger than what most give them credit for.
@@kysondobbs3941 he would speed blitz yhwach not to mention dbz character are showed to resist hax and any other manipulation by getting stronger or raising their power to the point where hax dont even work against them and the only way you can fight them is if you get stronger.
@@koz3ris252 no all yhwach has to do to stop that from happening is litteraly belive that he is faster then goku and stronger then him. and then believe that goku never lived and then goku never lives 🤷♂️. that just one of his abilities. and it not even in his top five. and if he dies then he will just reverse time and change reality. there’s no way he beat him in his concept form. you can’t argue this with me.
hax negation is a made-up construct by dbz fans, they get one vegito outlier and hit, who's time skip exclusively has its downside not related to any form resistance just that it won't work on stronger ppl (this is not the case for any other character) and that's why it's never confirmed, it doesn't exist, dbz chars don't simply negate goku using instant transmission or frieza using telekinesis. also, hakai is able to erase completely but that doesn't mean it always does and can't be resisted, if that were the case toppo or something after throwing that gigantic hakai blast would've erased the t.o.p. higher ki never ='d hax resistance, a good example, evil containment wave, trunks used it on zamasu, it's just that they never properly sealed the top of it on, so he escapes like king piccolo.
Yhwach changes his reality with the Almighty, it has nothing to do with power level or ki of the opponent. He changes what he experiences and he can see in the future and the past at the same time. The only way to beat this ability is by having it too or changing the perception of the reality of the wielder (as demonstrated by Aizen and Haschwalth in the Manga) to manipulate how the wielder uses the ability in the hopes of killing him before he realizes what happened.
No Yhwach in any reality can even trigger Goku's sense of touch. Nothing he throws at Goku would work. Yhwach also has to be able to use his ability. Goku is billions of times the speed of light at this point. Yhwach would die before he could even use Almighty for the purpose of the fight Even if he could, there would be no future he could win in. Nothing in the entire BV even hurts Goku. Like, the only thing that maybe could is the X-Axis (and that's only if hax isn't nullified like in DB), and even then Goku just Zenkai boosts and becomes stronger.
@philipryanbasas973 time skip is not reality manipulation The almighty is reality manipulation at its best Read the Manga and you'll see Goku has nothing on this guy For a being who can see countless futures and alter them to his liking Goku has nothing Give goku some real hax first This guy can also absorb goku and his powers
@@anitrilogy clearly didn't watch the video Kid Goku at the first Budokai arc would win, forget current Goku You Bleach-tards give Yhwach made up powers. He doesn't manipulate reality freely. He is still restricted to what he can physically perform/do, hence he made Ichigo step on Zanpakuto, rather than erasing him from existence. This wouldn't even break base Goku's skin and this was the best Yhwach could come up with to kill Ichigo. Yhwach would die of old age before he's absorbed all of Goku's Ki (assuming Ki = Reiatsu). Goku literally could spend the rest of his life ignoring Yhwach is even there, and still win without lifting a finger. Dude can sneeze with enough force to kill everything that exists in the BV
Same way everyone with pre-cognition loses, you have to be fast enough to react to it. Current Goku is so much faster than Yhawch it’s almost depressing. Dude couldn’t even dream of blinking before his head would pop off.
I feel like in a vs match the dragon ball generalized ability to overpower hax by being stronger shouldn't be applied in a neutral fighting ground. Everyone in dragon ball "has it" because that's an inherent rule to the db verse, imo. Now, it's another debate to be had on whether that kind of rule should apply in a matchup like this because both verses have at least some form of that (but, bleach is a solid amount more inconsistent about it... they say that you can overpower it but weaker characters can still pull things, like Shinji Hirako's reversal bankai.
In Bleach, the difference between characters' reiatsu needs to be insane. Base Aizen from the arrancar saga is a relevant and notable threat even in CFYOW. The only characters that could feasibly do it are Ichigo, Aizen, Yhwach, etc. Even then, it needs to be consciously done; Ichigo's not experienced in using his reiatsu the way Aizen does to soul crush. Hence he got suckered by Askin.
@@ToasterXDdon’t think anything changes since most of the schrifts are haxed based so it wouldn’t affect Goku due to the power difference like you said.
The thing is, goku fights faster than ywach can think. Unlike abilities that activate itself or are always activated ywach's Almighty need to to thought to be activated. On top of that goku can skip time too and isn't technically bounded by it also.
its always active once he took it back from hasch it was active the entire time. Thats the thing also wouldn't matter he can see all possible futures even the one where goku somehow gets to his universe or vice versa your point is mute.
@@atatsuke101yhwach Can regenerate. Goku Has historically an extremely bad win record versus People who can regenerate. Goku actually cannot permanently kill him.
@sadimuntakim4109 With. the almighty he can just rewrite it so that that never happened. The energy of destruction does not override fate itself. It can erase your body and your soul but that will not do anything
I dont know why ppl keep saying "OoH welL he caN jUs bLiTz him" when Yhwach can simply rewrite futures in which he has died even if hes dead so the simple statement of him just being blitzed makes no sense
You just admitted that he still can get blitz but survives due to the fact that he can alter the future in which he died. It absolutely makes sense he still can be blitzed
But doesnt he requires to be concious to access it, or is it the same like izanagi which you can set so it would active automaticly after the triggers active? I kinda forgor. Here's the thing, if he have to be conscious then Goku can just blitz him before he can think about using his ability.
I love how Fate by Shiro Sagisu is considered Yhwachs theme despite it being used for Neon Genesis Evangelion, kudos to SoulMadness for all those banger videos of the manga with soundtracks.
I've watched many of your videos, and regarding your statement that you don't have a favorite when it comes to Goku, I find that hard to believe. While I didn't mention that Yubaba would defeat Goku due to my unwillingness to gather their powers and abilities, I noticed you simply presented a fight within the context of the Dragon Ball universe, without factoring in intelligence. It's interesting that in other anime, characters often win through pure IQ. Nonetheless, your videos are enjoyable and cool. Thank you for your attention!
MUI goku would be difficult for the almighty ability to work on, how can you see into the future or read and predict the outcome if the other persons mind is shut off and just the body acts on pure instinct.
All mighty doesn't predict. It literally SEES the future. There's a huge difference. Almighty would see the outcome of the match as long as there's a future nd end to said match
Because it does not matter, as long as there is a future which exaughts goku or damages him in any way it already happens, This is undodgeable or unblockable, (Orihime blocking yhwachs sword slash, but it still landing)
@@sasorioftheredsand4348 yeah it shoots through things with perfect accuracy. The user is intangible. But as with every other ability it doesn't have sufficient AP to surpass the durability of Goku. Hitting intangible entities has never been a problem for DB characters as long as they're stronger than the opponent. Yhwach lacks AP to do anything at all. The bleach cosmology is a lot smaller than the DB cosmology. Power>Hax.
@ToasterXD How can yhwach only be 4D? the Cleaner needs to be 4D to be consistent as The cleaner is born into a hyperspace (the dangai), and looks exactly like the dangai. Its also something thats described by gin as a being of reason, instead of a being of biology or spiritual pressure like other things in bleach. Aizen one shots this thing so hes definitely 4D immediately. Then dangai ichigo could not be sensed by aizen, meaning dangai ichigo is 5d like base butterfly aizen. Then the hogyoku does its bs and raises aizen to ichigos dimensional level. Then ichigo once again raises his dimension, this time literally stated by kubo in the manga, making ichigo 6D. this makes sense as his attack could not be comprehended by the soul society, it was a black expanse that simply severed aizens body in half. the crazy part is aizen was about to once again match ichigos dimensionality at 6D, but luckily his own mentality, and uraharas seal prevented that. After this we dont see aizen progress at this rate due to the seal of his reiatsus influence. But even through this, urahara states that aizen has grown stronger than before. Mugetsu ichigo < true shikai ichigo as mugetsu only encompasses his soul reaper and debatably hollow powers in a beyond bankai esq form. True shikai is ALL his soul reaper powers, combined with ALL his hollow powers, combined with ALL his quincy powers. true shikai must be 6D. yhwach is once again a scale above all of this, even though ichigo can harm yhwach, since yhwach operates on a higher scale of dimensionality, he can bring himself back. His almighty is what seems to give him this 7D aspect, and without it, the silver arrow made him ichigos equal in dimensionality, allowing him to be killed. This is further supported by a few statements. 1) The nature of the almighty. bleachs cosmology is complex multi as a lowball, as it contains 3 universes, 1 multiverse (hell, stated in hell movie, promoted and encouraged to be watched by kubo, hence he supports the movies story and its direction. Further expanded upon by how hell can only be kept sealed by monsters such as reio, yhwach, ichigo, and aizen, stated in hell arc), one hyperverse (dangai, its described as a hyperspace, but the thing is, its portrayed as bigger than kyogokus in uraharas diagrams, but kyogokus are said to hold an infinite amount of souls, thus dangai must be infinite too. this makes it a hyperverse, or a universe with 4 dimensional aspects. whatever you want to call it). Even if we ignore the garganta, which is encompassing all this infinite verse cosmology soup, bleachs cosmology is ATLEAST multiversal. the almighty allows yhwach to see all the timelines of bleachs cosmology, as if he was observing grains of sands. then he can destroy, create, and alter these grains of sands. Meaning he can destroy or alter the timelines (realistically this simply means, he can destroy a version of the multiverse, as in bleach, timelines are abit like marvel, where they all are different simulations instead of there being one cosmology that changes its timeline). Then you must take into account, since he can observe an INFINITE amount of these timelines, he is one dimensionality above bleachs cosmology. 2) The garganta isnt one scale of infinity. one of the bigger mistakes in ur video. The garganta surrounds the dangai (4d space), kogyokus (4d space), 3 universes (atleast 3d), a multiverse(4D space), so how on earth can it be one scale of infinity. it is 6D. even if we choose to ignore hell, its still 5D or low complex multi. 3) Bleach characters stronger than lille barro have inaccessible or infinite speed, including yhwach. The X axis, has attacks that arent a bullet or a projectile, but a concept which simply passes through any object obstructing lille barros X axis. It cannot be blocked, or dodged. It is bleachs infinite speed feat. However, through simple scaling, we know that aizen, ichigo, yhwach and possibly even jugram and ichibei can simply match the speed required to dodge an infinite speed attack, Either by yhwach employing the miracle or almighty to raise his speed, aizen doing the same but with the hogyoku, ichigo simply just being that fast at his max, and jugrams balance making it fortunate if he were to dodge an inaccessible speed attack. the problem with power scaling bleach is that bleach isnt a power fantasy like dragon balls. its just this strong because kubo based his show off the soul king being literal abrahamic god, yhwach being anime jesus, and the flow of souls being depicted on the literal samsara. Combined with the fact that the absolute base fodder shiningami have extreme resistance to physical attacks, and can literally change the composition of a soul completely, explains why bleach is this broken of a verse. TBF tho, 99.999999999999% of bleachs power comes from like 5 god level characters who can almost solo their own verse, or infinitely solo their own verse (cough prime soul king).@@ToasterXD
I keep telling people that in dragon ball hax don’t work on someone stronger than yourself but people still disagree, if hax is everything then why can’t shin use his magic on goku and “beat” him or why didn’t hit’s time cage work against jiren? 😂
Yhwach can change future reality survived existence earuse one of his ability’s is miracle like literally miracle he can let gokus abilites go right through him
Remember guys that this is arguably a low to midball of goku who arguably has higher dimensional feats as heaven and hell are stated to be higher dimensions and the kaioshin planet being even above that Goku is more than likely low complex multiversal with 6d capabilities. That also ignores super dimensions
@@voidhectik8186 first of all how the fuck does goku stand at outer when he cant even destroy all the 12 multiverses in dragon ball 2nd of all how can he have irrel-inf speed when he cant even travel fast like whis can an angel who went from beerus planet to earth in earth the distance was around 175,000 light years which isnt infinite speed so i dont know how ur gonna tell me goku is but even tho whis isnt when he can 1 shot goku without goku being able to react.
@@kokushiboutsugikuni1334 actually, the after life world is stated to be a transcendental world and infinite in size in the guide book. And yes, Goku can't travel to the Beerus planet because of dimensional barrier which might not work even with the instant transmission. Watch the video of official divine who pretty much used the data books and statement to show him. But Dragon Ball badly looses to cosmology of something like Masadaverse, DC, Marvel and some more
@@kefs-y8i nice he isent and even if he was anos has only ever shown 20 percent of his power and is high outer can make any ability he wants on the stop and has a sword that only he can use that he can summon at any time that can distroy anything concepts it also ignores all reasoning and logic and will never miss plus Goku can't beat immortals so he can never win even if anos let him win
@@kefs-y8i you do know when peiapek talk about op anime cahters that's why kitigawa,anos rimaru and if peaople know anime sin bad featherline Gilgamesh this are the power houses of anime cc Goku xeno Goku are still nothing compared to those beings and that's right anos beats cc and xeno Goku it with 20 percent of his power
@@kefs-y8i o ye and Goku is not of a higher demsional tier anime anos has shown better feats and he has not used 10 percent yet so all of anoses hax work on Goku he could turn him into a human which he has down to someone you should read misfits if demon academy it's good
As a fan of both i 100 percent agree i don't get why people don't understand if your stronger than your opponent or your a higher dimensionality than your opponent hax won't affect you yhwach has really broken hax but it doesn't matter if your opponent outscales you so yeah goku simply one shots.
He doesn't Almighty is a power to see and change future Not to create a new future Yhwatch has explained his ability, the futures are like grain of sands mean it's multiple possibility and yhwatch can change the reality into that future So in order to beat the allmighty all u have to do is completely overpower him to a point where in every future he's dying If yhwatch faced anos voldigod then the only future he will see is his death Goku massively scales above him thus the only thing he will ever see is Goku surpassing him
@@confused4069 ywach's fight with Ichigo is a bad telling of his fighting capability he didn't use all his abilities due to kubos time constraints get off Goku's nut you dragon ball tard, Ichigo low diffs Goku as well
i felt the same way before the vid started but i was just going off what ive seen in the anime (as YhWatch hasn't shown his full power yet) so there is no way i could build an argument
@@kamariharper4125 And Hakai stated in the DB manga doesnt work on immortals pkus les talk bout how he survived Ichimonji that can literally rewrite your entier existence , No All mighy wins , Goku n the entier DB verse needs resistance like ichigis H.O.S and True Bankai to take thm oj , nit even just being immortal can help you , Aizen even got sent away out of nowhere and dont start with ur Hakai BS coz ichigos Mugetsu is an erasure attack n aizen survived it , plus if u dont no he absorbed soul king and soul king us inbetween the concept of life and death clearly stating u cannot die whatsoever
Mortal Realm is 3D Hell is 4D Heaven is at least inf 4d. Now the Cosmology can reach between 5-8D due to the dimensional scaling of the Kaioshin Realm and the Neutral Zone. Now, through the King Kai scan, it's stated that the Kaioshin Realm is at least 2 dimensions above Heaven, placing it at 6D. Now the Neutral Zone scales at least 1-2 dimensions above the highest dimension in the macrocosm, due to it being the void that seperates each of the universes in Universe 7. Now, I'll talk in the sense that the Kaishin Realm is on the same dimensional leveling as Heaven. That puts U7 at least at 5-6D. We can scale Goku at 6D low complex multiversal. Goku scales higher than Yhwach and Goku kinda has hax negation than weaker opponents so he is likely to win but I mean Yhwach might win too.
@@nickhollow bruh do you know how strong is 5d being in d.c they can access toon force and meme force and above all there 6d being in d.c who can create a entire multiverse
@@sudha.r7333 It is stated that Heaven transcends the living world making it 4D and the macrocosm contains heaven which is also 4D now the void that Goku shook transcends spacetime of the macrocosm making it 5D.
@@leboi1155 Goku never speed blitzes anyone. He will be like, "hey, you look strong, lets fight, ill let you power up to your strongest form" and etc... Because we all know how f stupid Goku is, especially in Z. If you think Goku would speedblitz any character, you just havent seen Dragon ball and dont know Goku's personality
@@Safeena-d9w This is such a bad and childish behaviour. If you dont agree with someone, you just assume he hasnt seen dragon ball. And calling him kid for having a different opinion is just ridicolus. I think you are the only kid here honestly...
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Ngl you were wrong for Goku vs Kratos but that one might be your redemption arc if you ended up by saying Kid Goku stomp Ywatch
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Yhwach firing arrows at a oncoming Kamehameha would be boss as fuck
I agree especially if they had one piece level animations or something else
@@nathanromany1424It will be a disappointment if yhwachs main fights from here on out aren’t current one piece level or greater then it
I would have loved if ufotable animated blood war (same animator's as demon slayer and fate)
@@jordancantrell.. True, but the current animators are good too.
@@nathanromany1424What? One piece's animation is mid
scaling dragon ball against other anime is often weird to me because dragon ball is very upfront about characters being able to blow up planets, galaxies, and universes, its a common statement. Meanwhile something like bleach is so much more focused on the body to body damage being cause, and only really in hindsight do you think "oh wait yhwach was about to just casually tear about the universe"
Bleach has universal scaling statements every so often, like Hueco Mundo being infinite, Kenpachi fighting unohana In an infinite void, hell having multiple infinite realms and so on
@Pein718 not universal level feats
@@Tapedat_stk Yes universal feats, Ichigo was destroying hell from the bottom layer. Ywach was going to collapse 3 spaces all stated to be infinite in size at some point. Yamamoto's bankai would destroy the soul society if he's not careful, which is also stated to be universal
not to mention the cosmology in db is way bigger by a long shot than bleach's so it isn't the same bieng universal in bleach as bieng universal in db
@@mexicandog6788 not really any way to compare the cosmology. both are basically described as infinite.
I wouldn’t count “composite yhwach” as different because the sternrieters powers all derived from yhwach. The only real different form I’d say there is would be after he absorbed the soul king
But it's the only version we've seen so I think it should be a separate topic
This is what happens when people start judging something without knowing all the facts. Who the hell said all the sternritter's power originally belonged to yhwach? He might as well have just faded soul society all on his own from the beginning. How are people this ignorant?
@@Nihilism69 this is what happens when a dodo bird decides to call others ignorant. A Sternritter is created when a Quincy drinks Yhwach's blood from the royal chalice, enabling Yhwach to carve a part of his soul into that Sternritter. This carving takes on the form of a letter, which is used as the designation of the Sternritter as well as granting them their unique powers. They’re normal quinces until yhwach blesses them. Try not being a clown and try having a conversation. Or at least fact check yourself man
@@Nihilism69 and wow how butthurt are you that you decided to stop by my comment to be rude and wrong
@@TheKingchance23 That's not my point Thick head. Saying all the powers the sternritters wielded in the war were already in fact accessible to Yhwach is so erroneous it's a crime. Either you haven't read the source material or didn't pay attention. Either way you're being very stern about something you didn't carefully evaluate. Yhwach doesn't share powers he himself inherently possesses, the only power he had from the beginning was granting supernatural gifts to people in exchange for absorbing their souls after they died. He further explains, that when yhwach is done absorbing a soul, he retains all the person's ; memories, knowledge and powers. Like bro, why are you fighting for something that's inaccurate? Any decent bleach fan knows this. If you haven't read all the books, just say so.
People needa stop acting like im not the real person who was first
Fax you were first.
Erm...well ackshually...
@@ToasterXD wait how tf did you comment this 34 minutes ago when he only commented this 19 minutes ago 💀
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@@isaiahjohnson6809 math
If we want to say Reishi and Ki are similar for scaling purposes, you'd think the Quincy's control over all things reishi would come into play a lot more. I would expect it to be a bit like Moro vs Goku, in that the longer the fight goes the less likely Goku would win that battle.
Do you not know what blitzing is?
@infernoslayer5393 you realize Yhwach could adjust the future before he even meets Goku
@@infernoslayer5393 You do seem to know what glazing is thats for sure
@@kakashihatake1029 the problem with that is both reishi and ki have ability negation when the targeted person is vastly stronger, if Yhwach tried to change a future related it'll likely just not work. Furthermore this is supposed to be a situation where they fight to kill one another why would he adjust the future to not meet Goku, even if his future changing ability could work he would probably aim to attack a goku in the future who is in base or weakened
@@amosedeaghe1368 Ability negation only works if it affects stronger one directly, which Almighty bypasses by addecting time instead of Goku. Same as when it was used on Ichigo who outscales Yhwach in stats atleast 3 times not taking acount of injuries and exhaustion which is plenty enough to be able to negate it but it didnt.
It feels weird that yhwach supposedly has all the sternritter haxes but never uses them. Youd think something like the visonary used by a far more powerful and smart individual like him would be extremely useful for the situations yhwach found himself in. This kinda leads me to a couple of conclusions. 1: All the sternritter haxes have a limit to them regardless of how powerful the individual using them is and simply using the almighty is better or 2: By the time yhwach gains these abilities the reiatsu negation part of bleach was in effect, someone like ichigo just wouldnt be effected by the haxes something the almighty can bypass(to an extent). This would then apply to goku to since the gap between his power and yhwachs is so big i dont think even the almighty could save him.
Wait it out, buddy. They may fix that in the upcoming anime episodes. The Manga Writer didn't want to write bleach anymore. So he rushed the ending. Albeit, I may argue that Ywach doesn't use them and that he doesn't need the other stern ritter powers. He just wanted to get their abilities for the Power AMP. The Almighty is literally the only hack he needs, lol.
yhach doesn have the sternritter haxes, he gives the sternritters the power to awaken and use them
Or the most logical one there is not a limit it is just that they forgot about him having all the powers and just used the all mighty because if he could use all the stertittets powers he could not lose they woudent even of been able to survive long enough to use the thing that stoped his powers for a little
Cz the almighty is more broken
@@mastersword506 bro it is not like he didn't have feeling to write rushed ending cause he was not enjoying or whatever the thing is his health was not good from the half of the tybw and his health got worsened throughout the time so he rushed the ending and left so many things which are getting fixed in anime by author and in the recent episode by the last moment of ichigo it looks like he will be getting almighty or some divine hax power
I feel for you bro, ppl will fight till their last breath for their opinions even if they're factually wrong.
Just like people who think the earth is flat.
@@immortalkiller7831no matter how much proof you’d provide otherwise they’ll still believe such rubbish
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I understand the statement where abilities can be bypassed with someone or something being stronger, but it kind of just doesn't add up for the Bleach verse. Tsukishima was able to affect Ichigo with his ability and it's quite obvious Tsukishima is almost nothing when in comparison to his power within TYBW. Then there was also the plan where Orihime was meant to reject the existence of the Hogyoku, but she failed in doing so. When Aizen had explained, he said nothing of the Hogyoku being unaffected by Orihime due to there being a difference between their power. And then we have Aizen who was able to put Yhwach in an illusion, who was for sure on an entirely different level than Aizen after absorbing the Soul King. It may not be such a thing to push into the topic when you add universal scaling, but I just wanted to get my thoughts in
you cant compare someones strength in bleach to gokus in DBZ
dbz fans are the kings of false equivalence.
That’s Bleach not Ki. Negating people’s abilities if they are weaker than you is apart of the DB power system so you can’t just ignore it to suite your narrative. On top of that, how are we forgetting about Aizen??? He literally was stated to be so strong that he was negating the abilities of the other shinigami using their abilities on him.
Orihime was never shown trying to erase the Hogyoku, so you can't say that she failed. It seems like she never even got the chance to attempt it, but it probably wouldn't have worked, and idk how that's a part of your argument, as if Orihime is stronger than the Hogyoku. And doesn't the fact that Aizen was able to put Yhwach in an illusion just prove that he IS on his level?
well blame Kubo bc even in the bleach verse being stronger cancels out attacks
This might be headcanon but I'm pretty sure that Ywach uses Gremmy's technique in tandem with The Almighty to destroy Zanpacto, the same way that Gremmy used it to turn Yachiru's bones into cookies. Additionally, I think Ywach used The Miracle to revive himself as essentially an energy (mimihagi) construct the same way that Gerard did (I think this is actually why he absorbed Gerard in the first place, as he was actually pressured enough to want a fail-safe). Additionally, it is very possible that Ywach used X-axis to penetrate Aizen, given the type of wound that Aizen received (a perfectly cylindrical hole of deleted space that should have been difficult to pull off on Aizen specifically because of his seals condensing his spiritual pressure for offensive and defensive ends). Hell, even the attack Ywach performed on Aizen where he basically ate Aizen while reconstituting his body could have been an implementation of one of the Sternritter Schrifts (the gluttony).
It’s a theory which is why Comp Yhwach and normal Yhwach are usually seperated but it might be the case just not confirmed
@psychicnecrosis8376 I hope to god they make your headcanon the actual canon in the anime. I’ve had the same kind of thoughts about this for years. It never really sat right with me that Yhwach just casually takes out his two strongest remaining pieces left on the board for what seems to be no reason at all other than the obvious wrapping up of the series within 5 chapters lol. Having something as simple as Ichigo pressuring Yhwach and forcing him to do that would go a long way to fixing some of the issues with the ending.
Thats not the case considering Yhwach explicitly states that its with the Power of Almighty he got resurrected by REWRITING that FUTURE.
"My Power alters the future. I can even Rewrite the FUTURE IN which i die."
@@abyzz4419its even more busted than that. He can see all future timelines, as well as alternate timelines and pick from those. So when he destroyed ichigo’s bankai, he picked a future in which it was destroyed and it retroactively changed the past and present so that it was already destroyed.
In other words, the almighty allows him to see all possible futures AND change the past and the present to conform to the reality he wants to be true.
I don't know about the X Axis, cause they never actually showed Yhwach absorbing him, and I heard that he's still alive somewhere in Soul Society, in one of the Light Novels. Pretty sure he didn't even eat Aizen either, just attacked him with some of his reiatsu. And he did explicitly say that he used the Almighty to revive himself, which just makes it even better honestly. And it's also pretty obvious that Yhwach can use the Almighty, even after he dies, so idk why people use the speed blitz argument, when him dying literally doesn't matter. Hakai also wouldn't work, cause Ichibei also tried existential erasure against Yhwach and it didn't do jack cause Yhwach saw the ability in the future, and it became powerless before him. Kinda went off topic there, but I guess the only one which he could've used is the Visionary, but it doesn't really make sense with the way you described it. Yhwach can foresee and alter the future, but you kinda make it sound like he can't alter the future and he can only do it if he has the Visionary. If he needs the Visionary in order to break Ichigo's sword, then what does him altering the future do? And you also said he used the Miricale to revive himself, so you pretty much make it sound like he can't alter the future.
While I am one of the people who thinks he CAN use all of the Sternritter abilities, it was just never shown and your examples don't really add up. I really do hope they either give some kind of an explanation, or just straight up show him using the powers in the anime. The silver arrow will neg all of his abilities anyways, so why not?
I just wanna say that Jiren is no way near beerus’ level, in the dbs manga it has been stated that jiren is only stronger than his own god of destruction and not all of them, furthermore in the manga we can see beerus literally playing with ssbe vegeta like it’s nothing which means beerus was holding back by a lot during their fight with Goku during the battle of gods
I agree but it does seem like they keep making beerus stronger than previously portrayed.
@@rustyssj9467 yeah mainly for plot convenience because theres no point of goku and vegeta to be training under beerus if they end up being stronger than him so soon
Beerus power was retconned as always
@@davidola2034 Yeah goku got beerus level or close, but got rewritten to be even stronger than ultra instinct when its suppossed to be a tranformation of angel level, that no god of destruction could learn yet
@@asoretwell beerus has been shown to use it at least to some effect in the manga, but as pointed out by whis it’s not perfect. Which makes sense seeing how the mind set you need to tap in to ui vs ue or just g.o.d power in general are pretty different. But it does seem that ue is at least somewhat on par with ui in terms of power (at least in the hands of a mortal), so while it’s true that an angel is stronger then a god of destruction it wouldn’t surprise if it wasn’t by too much.
*Yhwach instantly alters the future to one where Goku gets heart disease and one shots him*
1 Goku is stronger than Yhwach so his hex doesn't work
2 Goku can still fight well even if he has the heart virus
@@Notacat18 A hearth disease literaly killed Goku in the original timeline.Yhwach can make that timeline become reality.
@@Kenos347 Then why did he lose to Ichigo?
@@Notacat18
Factor 1
Jugram had the All Mighty during the time he slept and covered the timeline where he died in a dream like state basicaly tricking Yhwach
Factor 2
Uryu used "antithesis" on the arrow that was made to deactivate a quincies powers for a moment"basicaly the allmighty couldn't reverse it at that point because antithesis has the same potential as the Allmigthy
Factor 3
Ichigo's zangetsu can cut trough fate itself
@@Notacat18cause of fucking plot armor
Yeah yhwach with the 27 Sternritter powers would have a few ways to beat Goku, most of the powers wouldn’t be useful though.
Abilities:
A - Uryu Ishida (The Successor)
Ability: The Antithesis - Allows him to switch anything that occurred between two objects or people. This is honestly a cheap, but effective way to beat Goku.
B - Jugram Haschwalth (The
Grandmaster of The Sternritter)
Ability: The Balance - Allows him to redirect misfortune towards an opponent or enemy while absorbing. I do not see this working on Goku, but who knows absorbing worked in the past, but ultra instinct, and the power gap seems to be a problem for that power.
C - Pernida Parnkygas (Schutzstaffel member
Ability: The Compulsory - It is able to shoot nerves that can control a person's movements and can warp individuals parts. It also has the ability to evolve. Goku’s screwed of he plays around with Yhwach using this power, the evolution would make it so he could defeat Goku easily.
D - Askin Nakk Le Vaar (Schutzstaffel member)
Ability: The Deathdealing - He can control the lethal dosage of blood in a person's body and lower it to make it fatal to them. He can also create poison to take out his opponent. The blood part would probably not work on Goku, but poisoning him with ki is definitely a great way to defeat Goku, we saw how poisonous ki affected Gohan.
E - Bambietta Basterbine
Ability: The Explode - She shoots reishi bullets that transform whatever it touches into bombs,. Honestly it’s not as useful as the other powers, but maybe Yhwach could combine it with other powers, making it broken.
F - As Nodt
Ability: The Fear - He can induce fear into his opponent using fear thorns. This one would probably not affect Goku because of the power gap, and ki barrier, along with ultra instinct dodging it.
G - Liltotto Lamperd
Ability: The Glutton - She can consume anything she chooses using her mouth. Could be useful, but I do not see Yhwach using it, unless it’s one of those fights with Goku biting the main villain.
H - Bazz-B
Ability: The Heat - He can manipulate fire.
1 - Cang Du
Ability: The Iron - He can make his skin iron which makes him invulnerable to physical damage. Basically Nova Sheron, it’s a useful power, but it would just be dodged, but if Yhwach infused it with the first captain’s bankai, it could be a very useful power.
J - Quilgie Opie
Ability: The Jail - He is able to create jails made of reshi that are inescapable to those who are non-Quincy. Yhwach could use the all mighty to trap him in it, but he could probably break out of it or just use his spirit fission, and genkai Dama training on the energy cage, honestly he might copy the powers of Yhwach.
K - BG9
Ability: Schrift remains unknown but he has the ability to extract data from an opponent which possibly means his ability is "The Knowledge". It’s useful for adapting towards an opponent.
L - PePe Waccabrada
Ability: The Love - He is able to make people fall in love with him and make them do his bidding by firing heart-shaped projectiles. It wouldn’t work, and I do not think Yhwach would use it.
M - Gerard Valkyrie (Schutzstaffel member)
Ability: The Miracle - He is able to convert physical damage into
increasing his strength and might which causes him to regenerate from physical damages while becoming stronger and larger. He could combine it with other powers, and it wouldn’t even be a fight, but Goku did deal with somebody with a similar power, but they were not immortal, but apparently the cross in the body is the weakness of that power.
N - Robert Accutrone
Ability: His schrift remains unknown although he is shown to be very fast which possibly means his schrift is "The
Nimble".
O - Driscoll Berci
Ability: The Overkill - His power increases with each kill that he has. Not useful in a 1v1.
P - Meninas McAllon
Ability: The Power - She has superhuman strength.
Q - Berenice Gabrielli
Ability: The Question - She is able to induce self-doubt into an enemy. Probably wouldn’t work Goku’s body would react towards that.
R - Jerome Guizbatt
Ability: The Roar - He is able to create sonic screams. I’m not sure how useful that would be against somebody that could scream away the universe with ease, since Buuhan almost did that.
S - Mask De Masculine
Ability: The Superstar - He becomes more powerful and mighty with each cheers that he receives. Combine that with other powers, and have him create a army to cheer him on, and he’s unstoppable.
T - Candice Catnipp
Ability: The Thunderbolt - Candice can create lighting bolts to use as attacks.
U - NaNaNa Naiahkoop
Ability: The Underbelly - NaNaNa is able to analyze his targets reiatsu over a certain amount of time which allows
him to determine an opponent's spiritual power distribution. He then implints his letter into the target and it forms grid patterns and he pinpoints hoeles which causes them to increase until the opponent's reiatsu deplets which knocks them out. Seems very effective, definitely a power to use.
V - Gremmy Thoumeaux
Ability: The Visionary - He is able to imagine anything which will become reality. Basically Janemba, but with extra perks.
W - Nianzol Weizol
Ability: The Wind - He is able to deflect anything that approaches him. Useful.
X - Lille Barro (Schutzstaffel Leader)
Ability: The X-Axis - He can pierce anything he shoots with perfect accuracy and he is able to be intangible. Sounds like Granola, but without the ability to see vital points, but he is made out of light.
Y - Loyd Llovd
Ability: The Yourself - He is able to copy a target's powers and abilities. Combined with all of the other powers, it’s child’s play for Yhwach to win really.
Y - Royd Lloyd
Ability: The Yourself - He is able to copy a targets appearance and memories. Memories are very useful, mainly with all of his other powers.
Z - Giselle Gewelle
Ability: The Zombie - She can control anyone with her blood once it touches their skin.
Homie really broke down the whole alphabet of abilities
@@reaps2661 I needed to look up most of them.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639 who wouldn't lmao
Bro you didn't have type that much but thx💀
@@reaps2661 right
I’ve heard some people say that since the planet sized universe in dragon ball is infinite, but nothing compared to the sky’s surrounding it, that the Dragon ball Macrocosm is 5D, not just Multiversal.
Dbs cosmology is beyond 5d and can be scaled to 12d. It has infinite realms in infinite realsm it has a 6d hyperspace etv and infinite timelines and ,,worlds".
both are wrong, each universe has 2 universe, so 24 universes.
bleach has infinite universes
Imagine Yuha using Visionary to turn Goku's bones to biscuits 😂
base goku one taps midha
@@aidenmorenotrejo6094 in your dreams kid
@@MidFed
Imagine when goku resisted reality warping effected immagine when goku resisted law manipulation,immagine begin speedblitz and don’t even have the time to use the ability immagine try to use your ability but begin erased out of existence
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If you do composite Yhwach can you also do composite Goku then as well using movie scaling ? The only thing this would really change would would be gokus speed but it gets stupid fast.
Is composite Goku even Canon?
Comp goku negs beyond negs. Literally no concept of diff what so ever. Xeno goku in base is enough for comp yhwach tbh. And Xeno goku is only the 3rd or 4th strongest variant
Bro you tryn to violate Yhwach pitting him against comp goku this goku is basically higher outerversal+ not even the booty clapper kratos can't beat him💀
Base movie (dbz goku) slams the verse 😭 are u tryna accidentally solo bleach?
Ok everyone I was just saying goku scaling from the old movies not xeno or anything I know xeno or anything above that solos whole verse.
Another thing, we don’t know if Ywhaches body needs to exist for almighty to work, i think it does bc after he is dead, and the effects of the arrow wear off his spiritual pressure still remains however, Almighty never takes affect, returning him to life
Hakai is erasing mind body and soul.
@@apexartist9618and some of his powers are the legit embodiment of Nuh UH so much so he while not having power changed the future and gave himself all his powers and also exploded his enemy who was primordial into tiny meat chunks.
He could probably just choose a future where goku gets cancer or overdosed on ketamine and just force the universe to become that future.
@@apexartist9618 you dragon ball fans can never read whis has hinted Immortal beings cannot be erased from hakai so no it’s not erasing soul just the body confirmed by beerus
@@Bigtwinkissac209 lmao insulting someone while not having a clue of what you're talking about is crazy.... haki is stated to erase a person from existence completely across timelines. The only reason future zamasu survived is because of the time ring. That's why being erased or destroyed by beerus was such a big threat in a world where you can be wished back to life... they said there's no afterlife for them at all. You can quite literally see beerus erase a ghost too. Its like you said "confirmed by beerus'' like i didn't know that was a lie lol. Even if i didn't know, its one google/UA-cam search away.
Goku's base form gets massively stronger throughout super after the universe 6 tournament he gets at least 10 times stronger since he needed ssbkkx10 to contend with hit during the tournament to only needing ssb afterwards, goku would also gets possibly 1000s of times stronger than what he was at the end of the uni 6 tourney in the goku black arc since he was able to hold his own against merged zamasu with ssbkkx10 even though both him and vegeta were getting beaten by ssr goku black with relatively low effort, then after zamasu turns to infinite zamasu goku is somewhat confident that he would be able to stop him if only he had a senzu bean which I assume infinite zamasu is stronger than the corrupt zamasu that gave ssb vegito some trouble (at least in the anime), then after going ui for the first time he gets 500 - 1000 (depending on if he was ssj or ssj2) times stronger than what he was at the start of the TOP because he went from being manhandled in ssb by a raging out ssj kale to being able to fight an even stronger ssj kale while also fighting caulifla at the same time while being heavily drained, then it wouldnt be too huge of a stretch to apply that same or a bit lower of a multiplier after he goes ui for a second time
In the manga he got stronger when he de transformed into god form
Goku need transformation because his base form is weak
@@azxykook2379 obvious bait
@@azxykook2379WEAK AHH BAIT, GOKU SOLOS BLEACH THE END, seeyalater.
@@dexecutioner8291 show me the cannon manga where goku solos the bleach
Previewing predictions: He's gonna say Goku wins, but I'm interested to see how he wins, cause I feel like Ywach's hacks are too insane
The hacks are so insane but we have dragon ball characters bypass them by just getting stronger
Yhwach Haxes are useless against Goku because Goku Dimensionality existence is beyond Yhwach
@@Fw_Nameless ye
@@Fw_Nameless yhwach changed timelines of an entire universe and since physical universes have 11 dimensions to them and there are multiple physical realms in bleach each being a universe as well as an infinite void outside of those universes. yhwach still chooses a timeline where Goku turned into a monkey with a meth addiction who got betrayed and trapped in a hyperbolic time zoo.
@@mrafishonascreen2986but both verses use multiverse theory so it's irrelevant. If yhwach goes to another timeliness where he wins he leaves a timeliness where he loses 1-1.
11:40 NAH THE STRAY AT OPM IS CRAZY BUT DESERVED 😭
11.40 vegito was turned into candy ball and still able to solo all one punch man 🤣
Yea pretty much😂
he isn’t really lying opm fans high ball saitama stronger than goku with such Crazy feats those crazy feats are sneezing the air from Jupiter lmao Toaster already proved that Saitama stops at Buu saga
@@Xeno1_3 he still high balled him to buu saga. I still believe cell claps the hell out of saitama if we consider the statements stated for frieza in namek saga Being he was universal
@@xenobulmanah bro, what your saying is complete dbz wank and opm lowball, saitama stops at buu saga, his best feat is at worst multi solar, and at best galaxy.
@@aisaback6221 opm lowball stops at buu saga? Frieza was mentioned universal multiple times in the show. -_-
Ywachs almighty renders him invulnerable to any power he has seen and he sees the future all futures
and no it's not selective in a way that you can say a specific power is not affected by this because it is superior since he bypassed a reality alteration ability that left him without powers using the allmighty so even if you take his powers away by altering reality his power still works and he just becomes immune to that you can still kill him but he will just resurrect again and again there is only one way to finish him
So then how did Ichigo damage him?
@@fireknight12390 You have to understand that Yhwach could literally collapse all realities with a thought. Ichigo didn't register as a threat, because if it wasn't for the unique circumstances of Aizen having used Kyoga Suigetsu before Yhwach activated his Almighty to implant false visions, Uryu suspending his abilities with Stillsilver, and Ichigo subsequently overpowering him...there was no threat. He could literally unmake his own death retroactively.
Mainly the Stillsilver arrow
The arrow is like a kryptonite to him
@@SHINZAtachiWhy didnt he rewrite his death... Ya know... After his death when parts of him still existed? I guess it wouldn't be interesting since they won't have that arrow anymore and Ywach would just one shot everyone who knows about the arrow, but still.... Just let my man have a believable death 😢
@@step1saysomethingcontrover320 When shot with it, all of his abilities will for a moment stop working.
Ichigo used that brief window to kill him again, and apparently, Yhwach can't just immediately pop back if you kill him when his abilities are sealed.
And normal sealing wouldn't work only arrow have power
To seal his powers
I did a video about it so check it out
Im glad you did regular Yhwach instead of composite Yhwach because it gets boring at that point. Just him having The Visionary is broken since unlike Gremmy, I doubt Yhwach wouldnt be able to imagine himself stronger than Goku. Honestly the Visionary is stupidly broken depending on the users mindset.
Visionary plus almighty is just unbeatable
There's no reason to not use it though, which is dumb... compositing is literally Yhwachs power. Thats how he got so powerful. Base form, he was a baby that couldn't even see or feel.
shii where i scale goku he would still slam
@@JewelzCohen Thats okay, you can be wrong
Isnt the character Yhwach supposed to be literally god? I dont watch or read Bleach, but he is clearly named after YHWH. So it makes sense that his powers are basically omnipotent when the inspiration for the character was god.
Was kinda surprised when he said goku wins until he then clarified it was base ywach pretty much and not with all the sternritter abilities then i was like ahhhh ok makes sense
He used Soul king Yhwach, also for sternritter's abilities, isn't composite Yhwach is hypothetical person?
Great video as always. Can't wait for the next yhwach video, even though his composite is completely hypothetical.
im suprised i havent seen a goku vs rimuru or a goku vs anos video from this channel since those are also heavily debated
Because someone's gonna pull the light novel out their ass and end it within seconds its not even fair
@@Did_I_ask Yeah Light Novels are so annoying. They can literally solo DBS in base because of the fucking light novel it's really frustrating.
Something to add is that when the Vegeta and Nappa were on their way to Earth Fortune Teller Baba was asked to see what the future holds and she said she could not see any of the individual futures of the Zfighters and the Saiyans making it possible that Yhwach isn't even able to see Goku using the Almighty
The almighty is all seeing. The only way the almighty can’t see or predict someone’s future is if they have a connection to the soul king. That’s the only limit to the almighty in regards of seeing the future. So that argument is pointless no offense.
@@godzilla4940uhh may i add something .
You know darvin from mutants in Marvel his hax is ADAPT . That mf hax can predict opponent easily adapt his charecter to make him win . His hax made him adapt to death making him immortal .
But against world breaker hulk his hax simply teleport him away.
Now if you have brain understand what I wanna say
@@abhijeetgolder7535 I don’t understand how that’s relevant but alright. Anyway Darwin’s mutant power is different than yhwach’s almighty. One has limitless evolution and the other has future sight and reality alteration. Elaborate what you’re getting at.
@@godzilla4940 shh yhawch almighty sees POSSIBILITIES same as de strange and analyse it for yhawch and manipulate it for him to win . Cause bleach doesn't have actual multiverse .
And Darwin adaptation is similar it's extent in comic is stated unknown and when it meets an opponent where it can't do anything it's finds best way for him to survive .
Same YHAWCH ability after analysing everything just tp away him .
@@godzilla4940 and future sight is not op seriously yhawch got shocked with his future sight . And countless charecters in manga and other series have fked up pepole with that ability .
Yhawch have slightly different it tries to alter the the course of action for him to win after many runs . Like how Dr strange saw 14 million possibility and found one for them to win . That's how he alter the future . Otherwise he shouldn't been defeated no matter who is involved . But that's not the case .
I’m actually curious about this whole Goku vs Nasuverse video you were considering doing. Is this something to look forward to soon, not for a while, or not at all?
That would be pretty fun and interesting
i think nasuverse is really hard to scale due to gaia not letting anyone destroy the planet.
and pretty sure some people will think that fate characters are only continental but keep in mind that destroying a planet in nasuverse is kinda hard.
heck if goku goes to nasuverse i am pretty sure he is on par with some divine spirits or lesser grand level (chinese mothman).
It will release very soon, it’s a video that I’ve been working on for months and it’ll be my longest video
CCC Gilgamesh would be enough for Goku but thats just my opinion
@@ToasterXDI bet it was a pain in the ass. I was a debate with a guy who constantly downplayed Gilgamesh despite the various universal statements and feats. Let alone all the higher dimensional feats
“You’re wrong with no rebuttal” I feel that😔😔🙏🙏🙏
This is why toaster is my fav power scaler on UA-cam he’s not bias or playing favorites. Keep up the good work toaster.
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Alternative titles for your videos- Why I am the biggest gokutard/ How I started the "Can he beat goku tho" wave
Yhwach is just the kind of character who is no fun to talk about because theres no middle ground. If you don't impose any limits on his ability then he is impossible to beat because he can literally revive himself. And unlike other characters with revival powers it doesn't even matter if he gets blitzed. On the other hand though if you impose limits on his power then it is equally boring since he will just lose to every character stronger than him he might as well be a guy with only raw power.
Furthermore we don't know the limits of the almighty but its untrue that he can only manifest futures that hes capable of making himself. Ichigo is so much stronger than yhwach that he one shot him twice. In normal circumstances there is no future in which yhwach breaks ichigo's bankai or horn. Yet with the almighty he did both instantly. So its just a massive question mark that can never be answered. If he has no limit to what future he can manifest he can just make the future be that goku dies even though he never did this in bleach when he should've. Same for gremmy i guess but gremmy is proven to have limits shown by him needing to make more bodies to achieve certain feats
Gojo is the biggest example of this because even though yhwach makes him look completely fair and balanced gojo is much more popular and well known and also gojo needs like 20 abilities to get that strong and tons of BS explanations of how nothing works on him while yhwach only needs one.
Anyway imo these characters are badly designed for these discussions and for battles inside their own series too. Tbf tho it isn't like goku is much better. With him it just comes down to a stronger character than him will beat him and a weaker one will lose. The only discussion is which of goku's feats count as feats and which ones don't.
In terms of pure stats it actually is close if you count gremmy's galaxy room and the soul king holding together the dimensions/creating them in the first place as usable feats.
One thing people arguing about the size of dimensions in bleach pass over without seeing is that muken underneath soul society was said to be infinitely large by unohana. So even if the world of the living isn't our universe (which i don't see why it wouldn't be) soul society is confirmed to stretch on for infinity. So thats at least one universe at a minimum. If we assuming all realms are comparable in size thats 3 or more universes and the kicker is the garganta surrounding them was also said to go up in smoke if the soul king dies by ganju or something i can't remember. That garganta is basically the hyperuniverse that dragonball has. An endless void around infinitely large universes.
However it should be noted yhwach couldn't handle the totality of the soul king's power anyway so he doesn't scale. The new anime showed ichigo was able to handle the soul king's power though which makes sense because he is shown to be way stronger than yhwach, hax not factored in.
But i'm not stuck into this VS stuff enough to know whether either of those things count or not. These discussions always devolve into favoritism anyhow. I feel like the soul king physically separating the primordial realm into the rest (which is essentially creating them) is much more solid than saying hes that strong because his life is holding them together. That leaves a bit of room for doubt.
Personally i think the multiverse stuff in bleach and the super multiverse stuff in dragonball is all kinda bullshit because in most of the fights the scale of every attack is nowhere near that level.
Small correction: Jiren is stronger than destroyer of HIS universe, not all destroyers. So it's still possible Beerus is stronger than Jiren. And considering that in a short skirmish between all destroyers Beerus was one of two last ones standing while Belmod chose to pretend to be unconscious makes me think Beerus is far stronger than the majority of destroyers- by how far is probably impossible to tell.
Bro is the next seththeprogramer
Let’s hope not💀🙏🏾
I think, in the end, this is up to opinion, is yhwach's allmighty so strong that goku's stats are irrelevent or is goku so powerfull that allmighty is irrelevent
Kubo actually messed up when he create Yhwach, he just too op. Luckily, Plot came in😅
This man is the only one I will ask for an unbiased opinion
Vegito in candy form still able to solo OPM 💀💀💀💀
Lmaooo 😂
Keep dreaming 💀
Wdym hes not wrong candy vegito>>>>>>>OPM@@miftahuljannat3050
@@miftahuljannat3050keep coping
@@GuraGuraSSJ you can keep dreaming buddy 🤣 dreams are never reality 👍
You have made one mistake
Yahwach is 5D possibly 6D you scaled him to dangai which is just a small hyperscape in the graganta that holds many infinite 4D spaces and yhwach scales above it since he was obserbing and creating a new world
But Yhwach doesn't use Almighty directly on Goku, he uses it on the future to change it.
Exactly. Hes a Dragonball fanboy so he doesn't understand that.
@@jaycash7490with the same yeah he destroys his hax cause of ki is like saying JoJo characters cant beat one peace characters cause they have haki or some shit
@@jaycash7490 you are low iq in short, goku is higher dimensionality being whit infinite speed hax dont apply to him from weaker being not to mention he needs to activate that shit and he gets speed blitzed.
you are low iq in short, goku is higher dimensionality being whit infinite speed hax dont apply to him from weaker being not to mention he needs to activate that shit and he gets speed blitzed.
Do Yami (Black clover) vs Shanks (One Piece) for ya dawg 🙏🙏🙏
I actually like this idea imo I think shanks can win
@@Shushi-Guh I'm pretty sure Yami would win
@@jaylanwashington9521isn't Yami Mulit planetary and shanks low star lvl. Im pretty sure shanks wins
yami solos the verse
@@Memerproductionsfr he's a a low solar system idk what there talking about
The Gods of destruction also have a range of strength. Beerus may be the strongest. And saying Jiren is stronger than A god of destruction, doesn't mean every god of destruction. Plus Beerus base being at the level, knowing Beerus has Ultra Instinct, means he could tap into that if he ever felt it was a close fight and then wouldn't be touched at that time. So no, at that time goku isn't stronger than Beerus, neither is Jiren. Even if they're stronger than Rat God of Destruction.
Yeah it was weird that he said that I mean wouldn’t the series technically be over then, beerus would of had his final climactic fight with goku he’s been waiting so long for lol
Its cause these youtubers say anything for views. They play ignorant with bad one liners and stretch them. They take parts of the anime and ignore anything in it that disproves them. IE vegeta being way stronger than versions of goku and him in tournament of power arc and still getting one tapped by beerus casually. @@IanAOK
But hey its easier for these youtubers to be dented in the brain. The world needs clowns after all ;o
Beerus is stated as the strongest or joint-strongest with Quitela, per the Manga God of Destruction mini-tournament that took place pre-ToP. Jiren was stated by Whis as stronger than Beerus, and thus, all Gods of Destruction.
@@trenth9065 yeeeeeahno.. sorry but is stated to be stronger than A god of destruction, not all of them
Whis: “I dare say… like a God of Destruction. He is one who has reached that state.”
Whis: “Perhaps even surpassed it”
Whis: “There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can not defeat”
Whis: “It appears that rumor is true”
you do know what the word perhaps means?@@nohayun9375
i agree with this 100% if it's a bloodlusted goku who will just blitz him. now, if this is in character goku yhwach slams since he'd have plenty of time to see into all different types of futures, he'd steal his powers, nullify everything, and boom
Bro is your channel monetized? Great info and thanks❤
Not yet, I am not of the age required for monetization
Yo guys Guys Chill, I love Bleach I like the art and the characters in it but DBZ characters are just simply on another lvl in terms of a physical fight they out class every other anime be it speed, durability, raw striking power DBZ is just another breed. Yhwach has a VERY strong power but it is like looking at someone who is pointing a gun to you, yes you know that they are gonna shoot at you and u can guess where they are aiming but lets be real you are not faster than a bullet and that speed diff is just too big of a gap for this to a fight.
If you’re going to use Composite Yhwach, you have to use Composite Goku (not even a contest).
why did bro delete the first video 😭
It got blocked
Before I watch the video I feel like goku got it, even with all mighty i think goku will just pounce him in every possible future😂
There's infinite future there could be a future where goku had an heart attack mid battle and die lol
@@DRASERUS you no goku can use hakai and it’s over right
@@TheWorstLos3r you know that he can see the future right? Yhwach know everymove goku gonna do and he can't use hakai
"Nothing He Sees Can Harm Him" - This is what was stated in the Bleach Manga
Its not even close. After absorbing soul king. Yhwach becomes omnipotent. While current Goku is around Multi Universal or extra dimensional. So this fight isnt even close. Even if Yhwach dies, he can change his future to way he wants it to be. So even if he dies, he's never truly dead. Even if Goku somehow ends up beating Yhwach. He'll just come back stronger since he's immortal.
It does not matter coz DBS Goku would solo all bleach characters. just accept that fact soyboy.
b..b..but he has Almighty 🤓
Cry about it bleach fantard
@@kn1ght90 the only almighty is my ass😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dbs base goku bodies the verse badly yhwach is low universal goku with cosmology and feats is outerveral or higher personally me I got him at high outer to boundless crazy part is beerus whis grand priest Zeno are still stronger
@@gregkareem9824 maybe he will surpass them all.
Mad respect for you for making this video, and just in case, I am so sorry if anyone starts being stupid and starts harassing you because of this video. You made a good argument
I’d say Goku IS stronger than Yhwach on his own. But in regards to who’d win, I think it ultimately depends on how the Almighty works exactly and whether it has any limitations. Can it change the future in ANY way the user wants, or is it limited by the user’s strength. For example, what if Kon had the Almighty and wanted to use it to break a giant boulder. Would it work, or not do anything because him, as a plush, is too weak in order to realistically do any damage.
I’m not sure if Goku would negate his hacks just because he can do the same to abilities in HIS series. And although that’s how it works in Bleach, they’re still both operating under different power systems. Blitzing Yhwach wouldn’t really work either because he can bring himself back with the Almighty, unless Goku kills him BEFORE it’s even activated (but for the sake of this, let’s assume they’re both already in their strongest forms).
The almighty can’t affect beings on a higher plane. Like how Ywach couldn’t see Mimihagi’s intervention
@@victorampo1137the almighty doesnt work on the soul king since its his ability. Never stated it cant work on higher existences
@@AnimeTrap69it’s simply common sense a 3d-4d being isn’t hurting a 6d being or using hax on them via out scaling or simple hax resistance
@@0motiontankk nah
@@victorampo1137 It does work. It just dont work against the original user, the Soul King ... Of course it does not work against itself. Since Yhwach is without a doubt the strongest character in Bleach - and a transcendet one - it is unclear, if it would work, because in Bleach nobody stands above him
Why did you delete the vid?
It was blocked
@@ToasterXDBy who? Toei Animation?
@@UnwantedGhost1no because of copyrighted music the sme blocked it
Sony music entertainment
@@ToasterXD oh Alr, btw great scaling
@@UnwantedGhost1 all my homies hate Toei Animation
id give Ywach the slight edge in this, high diff fight but with Ywachs Hax i see him eventually beating Goku, though that is IF he uses his hax. In character (what we saw in the manga) he didnt use a single one of the schrifts he got back from the sternritters, if he stays that way in a fight against Goku then even with the Almighty its mid diff for SSJB goku and no diff for Mastered UI Goku.
11:52 But Ginyu was much weaker than goku and the body switch still worked Even in dbs he was a frog and swiped Body with one of freezas crew?
Yhwach's thing, is, always using somebody to get stronger and live longer, he takes the matured abilities and knowladge of every Sternritter/Shutztaffel member to get himself stronger. Just like he did it when he was a baby, that's his natural ability. If we talk about Yhwach without his all capabilities, any Yhwach vs x is pointless imo, so i am happy to hear that you will do that as well.
headcannon. Next.
False
Ah yes. Let's take away a character's abilities because they are not fair!
XD I can't with you people.
Yhwach can just become Goku with all his abilties and power
Uhh see darvin vs world breaker hulk you will understand what will happen.
i dont think he can, i mean he couldnt take uryu's powers
I'm just glad someone was able to prove or debate that Characters like Ywhach and Ichigo are debatable ssg tier. Nothing surpasses blue in their verse but at least they're universal+. Stronger than what most give them credit for.
Simple answer to the debate:
Goku > Yhwach
Hax don't work on higher dimensionality.
So basiclly you had to nerf yhwach for goku to beat him smh.
Fr
he upscaled yhwach way past his best, even if we use your altered words he still gets neg diff
@@koz3ris252 No he wouldnt lmao
@@kysondobbs3941 he would speed blitz yhwach not to mention dbz character are showed to resist hax and any other manipulation by getting stronger or raising their power to the point where hax dont even work against them and the only way you can fight them is if you get stronger.
@@koz3ris252 no all yhwach has to do to stop that from happening is litteraly belive that he is faster then goku and stronger then him. and then believe that goku never lived and then goku never lives 🤷♂️. that just one of his abilities. and it not even in his top five. and if he dies then he will just reverse time and change reality. there’s no way he beat him in his concept form. you can’t argue this with me.
hax negation is a made-up construct by dbz fans, they get one vegito outlier and hit, who's time skip exclusively has its downside not related to any form resistance just that it won't work on stronger ppl (this is not the case for any other character) and that's why it's never confirmed, it doesn't exist, dbz chars don't simply negate goku using instant transmission or frieza using telekinesis.
also, hakai is able to erase completely but that doesn't mean it always does and can't be resisted, if that were the case toppo or something after throwing that gigantic hakai blast would've erased the t.o.p.
higher ki never ='d hax resistance, a good example, evil containment wave, trunks used it on zamasu, it's just that they never properly sealed the top of it on, so he escapes like king piccolo.
Yhwach changes his reality with the Almighty, it has nothing to do with power level or ki of the opponent.
He changes what he experiences and he can see in the future and the past at the same time.
The only way to beat this ability is by having it too or changing the perception of the reality of the wielder (as demonstrated by Aizen and Haschwalth in the Manga) to manipulate how the wielder uses the ability in the hopes of killing him before he realizes what happened.
he can see in the future and past but that useless againt goku UI whis said that even hit time skip cant beat goku UI
No Yhwach in any reality can even trigger Goku's sense of touch. Nothing he throws at Goku would work.
Yhwach also has to be able to use his ability. Goku is billions of times the speed of light at this point. Yhwach would die before he could even use Almighty for the purpose of the fight
Even if he could, there would be no future he could win in. Nothing in the entire BV even hurts Goku. Like, the only thing that maybe could is the X-Axis (and that's only if hax isn't nullified like in DB), and even then Goku just Zenkai boosts and becomes stronger.
@philipryanbasas973 time skip is not reality manipulation
The almighty is reality manipulation at its best
Read the Manga and you'll see Goku has nothing on this guy
For a being who can see countless futures and alter them to his liking
Goku has nothing
Give goku some real hax first
This guy can also absorb goku and his powers
@@anitrilogy clearly didn't watch the video
Kid Goku at the first Budokai arc would win, forget current Goku
You Bleach-tards give Yhwach made up powers. He doesn't manipulate reality freely. He is still restricted to what he can physically perform/do, hence he made Ichigo step on Zanpakuto, rather than erasing him from existence. This wouldn't even break base Goku's skin and this was the best Yhwach could come up with to kill Ichigo.
Yhwach would die of old age before he's absorbed all of Goku's Ki (assuming Ki = Reiatsu). Goku literally could spend the rest of his life ignoring Yhwach is even there, and still win without lifting a finger. Dude can sneeze with enough force to kill everything that exists in the BV
@tomspreadbury2915 dumbest statement I've ever seen
Literally super dumb
What are you even getting at
How do you blitz someone who knew that fighting is going to happen and that you are going to try to blitz him?
Same way everyone with pre-cognition loses, you have to be fast enough to react to it. Current Goku is so much faster than Yhawch it’s almost depressing. Dude couldn’t even dream of blinking before his head would pop off.
@@DrugsAreForWinners still loses , goku can't turn off almighty .
I feel like in a vs match the dragon ball generalized ability to overpower hax by being stronger shouldn't be applied in a neutral fighting ground. Everyone in dragon ball "has it" because that's an inherent rule to the db verse, imo. Now, it's another debate to be had on whether that kind of rule should apply in a matchup like this because both verses have at least some form of that (but, bleach is a solid amount more inconsistent about it... they say that you can overpower it but weaker characters can still pull things, like Shinji Hirako's reversal bankai.
In Bleach, the difference between characters' reiatsu needs to be insane.
Base Aizen from the arrancar saga is a relevant and notable threat even in CFYOW. The only characters that could feasibly do it are Ichigo, Aizen, Yhwach, etc. Even then, it needs to be consciously done; Ichigo's not experienced in using his reiatsu the way Aizen does to soul crush. Hence he got suckered by Askin.
Ywach sees and changes the future even after being dead or erased from reality goku and his verse get shit on
If you were to take comp Yhwach into consideration, then wouldnt you also have to use an alternate form of Goku?
No. Composite Yhwach isn’t a alternate version of Yhwach, it’s just Yhwach but he can use his true abilities
@@ToasterXDdon’t think anything changes since most of the schrifts are haxed based so it wouldn’t affect Goku due to the power difference like you said.
@@ToasterXDgoku still slams🤷♂️
@@CJ-qv4sdprecisely!
@@ToasterXD So basically alternate Yhwach since Yhwach can't actually use those abilities
Fun video… and depending on the situation I could genuinely see this go either way so I do appreciate your take
Bro I'm just happy to see someone finally not downplay bleach and say "ichigos best feat was destroying hills"
The thing is, goku fights faster than ywach can think. Unlike abilities that activate itself or are always activated ywach's Almighty need to to thought to be activated. On top of that goku can skip time too and isn't technically bounded by it also.
its always active once he took it back from hasch it was active the entire time. Thats the thing also wouldn't matter he can see all possible futures even the one where goku somehow gets to his universe or vice versa your point is mute.
@@atatsuke101exactly well said I was going to say this.
@@atatsuke101yhwach Can regenerate.
Goku Has historically an extremely bad win record versus People who can regenerate.
Goku actually cannot permanently kill him.
@sadimuntakim4109 yhwach: * ReSpawns*
@sadimuntakim4109 With. the almighty he can just rewrite it so that that never happened.
The energy of destruction does not override fate itself. It can erase your body and your soul but that will not do anything
I dont know why ppl keep saying "OoH welL he caN jUs bLiTz him" when Yhwach can simply rewrite futures in which he has died even if hes dead so the simple statement of him just being blitzed makes no sense
You just admitted that he still can get blitz but survives due to the fact that he can alter the future in which he died. It absolutely makes sense he still can be blitzed
@@candytime-_- Sure you can blitz him but he will just come back and be able to predict all further outcomes
@@candytime-_- I’m saying people using that as a win con makes no sense since he can come back an inf amount of times
@@tmo_0 hence why this matchup is a stalemate :)
But doesnt he requires to be concious to access it, or is it the same like izanagi which you can set so it would active automaticly after the triggers active? I kinda forgor.
Here's the thing, if he have to be conscious then Goku can just blitz him before he can think about using his ability.
I love how Fate by Shiro Sagisu is considered Yhwachs theme despite it being used for Neon Genesis Evangelion, kudos to SoulMadness for all those banger videos of the manga with soundtracks.
I've watched many of your videos, and regarding your statement that you don't have a favorite when it comes to Goku, I find that hard to believe. While I didn't mention that Yubaba would defeat Goku due to my unwillingness to gather their powers and abilities, I noticed you simply presented a fight within the context of the Dragon Ball universe, without factoring in intelligence. It's interesting that in other anime, characters often win through pure IQ. Nonetheless, your videos are enjoyable and cool. Thank you for your attention!
MUI goku would be difficult for the almighty ability to work on, how can you see into the future or read and predict the outcome if the other persons mind is shut off and just the body acts on pure instinct.
All mighty doesn't predict. It literally SEES the future. There's a huge difference.
Almighty would see the outcome of the match as long as there's a future nd end to said match
Because it does not matter, as long as there is a future which exaughts goku or damages him in any way it already happens, This is undodgeable or unblockable, (Orihime blocking yhwachs sword slash, but it still landing)
@@themortalone8889unless if you use battle wiki Goku can't affect hax weaker than him
Yhwach doesn't have a single attack which can even damage Goku.
ikr, this comparison is stupid
X-axis
@@sasorioftheredsand4348 too weak
@@userx946 "Too weak" , what?.
Do you even know what does X-Axis do??
@@sasorioftheredsand4348 yeah it shoots through things with perfect accuracy. The user is intangible. But as with every other ability it doesn't have sufficient AP to surpass the durability of Goku. Hitting intangible entities has never been a problem for DB characters as long as they're stronger than the opponent. Yhwach lacks AP to do anything at all. The bleach cosmology is a lot smaller than the DB cosmology. Power>Hax.
not using composite Yhwach but letting goku go into super sayain is like saying luffy with every df vs ichigo without any shikai or bankai
He wouldn’t need super saiyan and this is a awful equivalency.
@@ToasterXD Yhwach wins, if kratos wins against goku
@ToasterXD How can yhwach only be 4D?
the Cleaner needs to be 4D to be consistent as The cleaner is born into a hyperspace (the dangai), and looks exactly like the dangai. Its also something thats described by gin as a being of reason, instead of a being of biology or spiritual pressure like other things in bleach. Aizen one shots this thing so hes definitely 4D immediately. Then dangai ichigo could not be sensed by aizen, meaning dangai ichigo is 5d like base butterfly aizen. Then the hogyoku does its bs and raises aizen to ichigos dimensional level. Then ichigo once again raises his dimension, this time literally stated by kubo in the manga, making ichigo 6D. this makes sense as his attack could not be comprehended by the soul society, it was a black expanse that simply severed aizens body in half. the crazy part is aizen was about to once again match ichigos dimensionality at 6D, but luckily his own mentality, and uraharas seal prevented that. After this we dont see aizen progress at this rate due to the seal of his reiatsus influence. But even through this, urahara states that aizen has grown stronger than before.
Mugetsu ichigo < true shikai ichigo as mugetsu only encompasses his soul reaper and debatably hollow powers in a beyond bankai esq form. True shikai is ALL his soul reaper powers, combined with ALL his hollow powers, combined with ALL his quincy powers. true shikai must be 6D. yhwach is once again a scale above all of this, even though ichigo can harm yhwach, since yhwach operates on a higher scale of dimensionality, he can bring himself back. His almighty is what seems to give him this 7D aspect, and without it, the silver arrow made him ichigos equal in dimensionality, allowing him to be killed. This is further supported by a few statements.
1) The nature of the almighty. bleachs cosmology is complex multi as a lowball, as it contains 3 universes, 1 multiverse (hell, stated in hell movie, promoted and encouraged to be watched by kubo, hence he supports the movies story and its direction. Further expanded upon by how hell can only be kept sealed by monsters such as reio, yhwach, ichigo, and aizen, stated in hell arc), one hyperverse (dangai, its described as a hyperspace, but the thing is, its portrayed as bigger than kyogokus in uraharas diagrams, but kyogokus are said to hold an infinite amount of souls, thus dangai must be infinite too. this makes it a hyperverse, or a universe with 4 dimensional aspects. whatever you want to call it). Even if we ignore the garganta, which is encompassing all this infinite verse cosmology soup, bleachs cosmology is ATLEAST multiversal. the almighty allows yhwach to see all the timelines of bleachs cosmology, as if he was observing grains of sands. then he can destroy, create, and alter these grains of sands. Meaning he can destroy or alter the timelines (realistically this simply means, he can destroy a version of the multiverse, as in bleach, timelines are abit like marvel, where they all are different simulations instead of there being one cosmology that changes its timeline). Then you must take into account, since he can observe an INFINITE amount of these timelines, he is one dimensionality above bleachs cosmology.
2) The garganta isnt one scale of infinity. one of the bigger mistakes in ur video. The garganta surrounds the dangai (4d space), kogyokus (4d space), 3 universes (atleast 3d), a multiverse(4D space), so how on earth can it be one scale of infinity. it is 6D. even if we choose to ignore hell, its still 5D or low complex multi.
3) Bleach characters stronger than lille barro have inaccessible or infinite speed, including yhwach. The X axis, has attacks that arent a bullet or a projectile, but a concept which simply passes through any object obstructing lille barros X axis. It cannot be blocked, or dodged. It is bleachs infinite speed feat. However, through simple scaling, we know that aizen, ichigo, yhwach and possibly even jugram and ichibei can simply match the speed required to dodge an infinite speed attack, Either by yhwach employing the miracle or almighty to raise his speed, aizen doing the same but with the hogyoku, ichigo simply just being that fast at his max, and jugrams balance making it fortunate if he were to dodge an inaccessible speed attack.
the problem with power scaling bleach is that bleach isnt a power fantasy like dragon balls. its just this strong because kubo based his show off the soul king being literal abrahamic god, yhwach being anime jesus, and the flow of souls being depicted on the literal samsara. Combined with the fact that the absolute base fodder shiningami have extreme resistance to physical attacks, and can literally change the composition of a soul completely, explains why bleach is this broken of a verse. TBF tho, 99.999999999999% of bleachs power comes from like 5 god level characters who can almost solo their own verse, or infinitely solo their own verse (cough prime soul king).@@ToasterXD
I keep telling people that in dragon ball hax don’t work on someone stronger than yourself but people still disagree, if hax is everything then why can’t shin use his magic on goku and “beat” him or why didn’t hit’s time cage work against jiren? 😂
W vid
Make a vid on composite yhwach
People who think Goku doesn’t win this need to cry themselves to sleep and accept reality 😂
Yhwach can change future reality survived existence earuse one of his ability’s is miracle like literally miracle he can let gokus abilites go right through him
Do composite Goku vs composite Yhwach next.
no need composite xeno or cc goku
CC and Xeno Goku are absolute demons
Lmao no needed Composite it would be too Overkill 💀💀
God Fusion Goku is literally too strong for literally any cross verse discussion alone
@@nicholasaugello2534 composite ywach stomps
"I am not biased, i am telling the truth" are words said from a man who has no idea of their own biases, and such things barely, if ever exist.
Remember guys that this is arguably a low to midball of goku who arguably has higher dimensional feats as heaven and hell are stated to be higher dimensions and the kaioshin planet being even above that
Goku is more than likely low complex multiversal with 6d capabilities. That also ignores super dimensions
that doesnt mean shit none of those dismensions are infinite in scale those all dismensions have a size of a universe
@@kokushiboutsugikuni1334 proof?
official divine got goku to complex multi - outer with irrel - inf speed
@@voidhectik8186 first of all how the fuck does goku stand at outer when he cant even destroy all the 12 multiverses in dragon ball 2nd of all how can he have irrel-inf speed when he cant even travel fast like whis can an angel who went from beerus planet to earth in earth the distance was around 175,000 light years which isnt infinite speed so i dont know how ur gonna tell me goku is but even tho whis isnt when he can 1 shot goku without goku being able to react.
@@kokushiboutsugikuni1334 actually, the after life world is stated to be a transcendental world and infinite in size in the guide book. And yes, Goku can't travel to the Beerus planet because of dimensional barrier which might not work even with the instant transmission. Watch the video of official divine who pretty much used the data books and statement to show him. But Dragon Ball badly looses to cosmology of something like Masadaverse, DC, Marvel and some more
Goku is THAT guy
but can he beat anos tho?
the answer is hell na
@@doriankamanzi6874 yes he can i have goku at outer
@@kefs-y8i nice he isent and even if he was anos has only ever shown 20 percent of his power and is high outer can make any ability he wants on the stop and has a sword that only he can use that he can summon at any time that can distroy anything concepts it also ignores all reasoning and logic and will never miss plus Goku can't beat immortals so he can never win even if anos let him win
@@kefs-y8i you do know when peiapek talk about op anime cahters that's why kitigawa,anos rimaru and if peaople know anime sin bad featherline Gilgamesh this are the power houses of anime cc Goku xeno Goku are still nothing compared to those beings and that's right anos beats cc and xeno Goku it with 20 percent of his power
@@kefs-y8i o ye and Goku is not of a higher demsional tier anime anos has shown better feats and he has not used 10 percent yet so all of anoses hax work on Goku he could turn him into a human which he has down to someone you should read misfits if demon academy it's good
balls
Yes. Balls.
@@ToasterXDballs
@@darkbeyondsonicwhy do you like Balls
What makes u think that blitzing would help goku ?
As a fan of both i 100 percent agree i don't get why people don't understand if your stronger than your opponent or your a higher dimensionality than your opponent hax won't affect you yhwach has really broken hax but it doesn't matter if your opponent outscales you so yeah goku simply one shots.
I don't know why this is a argument. No bleach character is above planetary
Facts.
W comment facts
lol You should rewatch bleach then
@@gregkareem9824 no I shouldn't, you should learn to scale
@@elijahedwards5360 ??
Remember, According to Vados, Jiren literally surpasses Time. And Goku was throwing hands with that guy.
Thanks Ima use that when someone says that bleach Roger uses l future ability
Ywach washes Goku low diff I see why this channel has no motion
He doesn't
Almighty is a power to see and change future
Not to create a new future
Yhwatch has explained his ability, the futures are like grain of sands mean it's multiple possibility and yhwatch can change the reality into that future
So in order to beat the allmighty all u have to do is completely overpower him to a point where in every future he's dying
If yhwatch faced anos voldigod then the only future he will see is his death
Goku massively scales above him thus the only thing he will ever see is Goku surpassing him
@@confused4069 ywach's fight with Ichigo is a bad telling of his fighting capability he didn't use all his abilities due to kubos time constraints get off Goku's nut you dragon ball tard, Ichigo low diffs Goku as well
@@knosi26”get off gokus nut you dragon ball tard”🤓 stay mad kid goku slams
I don't care who wins as long as bleach scaling gets the justice it deserves
Goku solos bleach. That’s all we need to say
least obvious goku boyfriend
@@void-ck4gyGoku negs yhwach
gOkU sOLos mememememememe
In character? Askin negs goku
i felt the same way before the vid started but i was just going off what ive seen in the anime (as YhWatch hasn't shown his full power yet) so there is no way i could build an argument
you forgetting Yhwach can use the all mighty , while his dead , and goku has no resistance to the allmighty , so no Yhwach wins
Hakai isn’t death
@@kamariharper4125 And Hakai stated in the DB manga doesnt work on immortals pkus les talk bout how he survived Ichimonji that can literally rewrite your entier existence , No All mighy wins , Goku n the entier DB verse needs resistance like ichigis H.O.S and True Bankai to take thm oj , nit even just being immortal can help you , Aizen even got sent away out of nowhere
and dont start with ur Hakai BS coz ichigos Mugetsu is an erasure attack n aizen survived it , plus if u dont no he absorbed soul king and soul king us inbetween the concept of life and death clearly stating u cannot die whatsoever
Goku wins cope
@@straightsixsiegepulse Debate me bich
@@straightsixsiegepulsewow good point goku wins cope know you showed me how he wins
Yhwach folds Goku like paper enjoy da L😂😂
Bleach fans making up imaginary scenarios to keep themselves happy 😂
cry harder LMAO
@@kefs-y8i look have this bro🪞.
Bro making up his own stories to try and make himself happy cope ! Goku one taps the verse in base
@@gregkareem9824 bro talk when not tripping balls or drunk.
Mortal Realm is 3D Hell is 4D Heaven is at least inf 4d. Now the Cosmology can reach between 5-8D due to the dimensional scaling of the Kaioshin Realm and the Neutral Zone. Now, through the King Kai scan, it's stated that the Kaioshin Realm is at least 2 dimensions above Heaven, placing it at 6D. Now the Neutral Zone scales at least 1-2 dimensions above the highest dimension in the macrocosm, due to it being the void that seperates each of the universes in Universe 7.
Now, I'll talk in the sense that the Kaishin Realm is on the same dimensional leveling as Heaven. That puts U7 at least at 5-6D.
We can scale Goku at 6D low complex multiversal.
Goku scales higher than Yhwach and Goku kinda has hax negation than weaker opponents so he is likely to win but I mean Yhwach might win too.
Stop this stupid scaleing enjoy the show and non then even 4d that's reality a 4d stomp bleach verse
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Mb Goku scales to 5D.
But he still slams.
@@nickhollow bruh do you know how strong is 5d being in d.c they can access toon force and meme force and above all there 6d being in d.c who can create a entire multiverse
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It is stated that Heaven transcends the living world making it 4D and the macrocosm contains heaven which is also 4D now the void that Goku shook transcends spacetime of the macrocosm making it 5D.
@@nickhollow bruh super man is 3d being who strong enough to hurt 6d being(darkest knight varirent) it does t make him 4d he 3d universe+
Goku solos Bleachverse, facts!
a lieutenant can beat goku bc of spiritual pressure lmao
@@Pichu87 sounds good…🤣
@@Pichu87but here's the thing, how are they going to release their spiritual pressure if they get speedblitzed instantly?
@@leboi1155 Goku never speed blitzes anyone. He will be like, "hey, you look strong, lets fight, ill let you power up to your strongest form" and etc... Because we all know how f stupid Goku is, especially in Z. If you think Goku would speedblitz any character, you just havent seen Dragon ball and dont know Goku's personality
Yhwach beats goku
Read the db manga. Kid🤡
@@Safeena-d9w This is such a bad and childish behaviour. If you dont agree with someone, you just assume he hasnt seen dragon ball. And calling him kid for having a different opinion is just ridicolus. I think you are the only kid here honestly...
man i love that he is not bias man its so hard to to get channels that aren't bias in one way or another plus loved the video ima subscribe defenitely
So we just gonna forget goku can’t keep MUI for longer then like 10 minutes
The existence erasurse didnt affect future zamasu (goku black) when beerus destroyed him