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Wily died in MM3, but got better in time for MM4.
But of course. He was simply treated for death at the hospital.
Somehow.... Wily returned.
He was pronounced dead, then he was transferred to a better hospital where doctors upgraded his condition to alive
He hid himself to heal himself
@@burner555 oh hi BurnerMan
I always thought Protoman's dialogue was about trying to find Wily, but says it was "too late" because he thought Wily already escaped, not aware he was under the vety rock he was standing on.
I mean, the building was literally falling apart too.
Megaman, looking to Protoman: "Oh, Wily Castle collapse. First time?"
It's little speculations and details like the one you just pointed out that make Mega Man such a legendary story to me, and Mega Man 3 my favorite classic game, the perfect Mega Man game (took the formula of 1 and 2 and took it to its perfection) just those little details that make it feel... so real and striking in the gut.
yeah until you use the weapons XD@@KARKATELCESARENVIADODESA-pv4yd
@@KARKATELCESARENVIADODESA-pv4ydperfection? mega man 3 is the least polished mega man game and it has lazy map design all over the place
@@konuralpyldzkan1495 And yet it is perfection... that's why it's my favorite.
From what I remember:
- It's possible that Zero might have killed Wily (bloody cutscene depicted in Mega Man X4).
- It's possible that in Mega Man 3, you never actually fight the real Dr. Wily at all. It's all robot copies of himself.
- It's possible for Wily to become more and more insane as time progresses for him. Maybe he started to incorporate more cybernetics into his body.
- Mega Man 7, Mega Man was ready to kill Wily. Wily kept escaping everytime and couldn't be stopped. Mega Man made the decision that it was best to eliminate him.
The bloody cutscene is just Zero having slaughtered the Garma unit after being woken up
@@redneckranger2144 I'll have to agree with this that its not canon. Megaman wouldn't be capable of harming a human being. As compassionate and feeling as Megaman is, he still has all the restrictions of being a robot. He's the best robot, but still a robot. X is the creation that ascended mere programming. X would be entirely capable of harming humans, even at a whim.
Now if the X series never happened, I might agree there could be some contention about which dialogue was canon. Without X, there could be wiggle room for Megaman to become more than just a robot. But because X is a thing, I see no reason for Megaman to become anything more. Because of the evolution to reploids, that means Megaman himself never ascended beyond being a robot.
@@taemien9219 I think it's worth mentioning that, although he just goes silent in the original version, he did point his buster at wily and charge it up
that means he considered shooting wily in the face before he got reminded about the asimov laws
@@thunnus_albacares I totally get that, but Megaman would have never been able to take said shot even if he wanted to. X could, X's whole purpose was to transcend the limitations of the robots that came before him. Its what made him so dangerous as well as so unique (at the time of his uncovering).
@@taemien9219I somewhat debate this theory. The machines in the X series are capable of choosing to become Maverick. At which point they are completely free. Sigma and the robot who defeated Zero in X1 are two examples of machines which chose to become Mavericks. So after becoming a Maverick I would say yes they are capable of harming a human.
Because bass is a dick is the best reasoning I've ever heard 😂
To correct one tiny thing.
In MM7, the plause was an indicative of the failure of "the law robotics".
MM7 is VERY canon-- in the manual of the game, there is an extra journal from Dr. Light dating his conversations with Roll. When the conversation reaches humans and require her to think about humanity and what life would be without him, Roll "freezes". Dr. Light expressed that he didn't know the cause, and maybe the coding wouldn't allow her to process beyond and "crashes". She "blips" back on, not knowing what happens, and how it happens when she tries to contemplate the subject.
MM7 shows us that "pause" was MegaMan trying to kill Wily-- he WAS going to do it. The only time "the law of robotics" was used (if we are using Japanese only) is that one time it was referenced and MegaMan saw no value in it.
That could also be true.
I'm glad you mentioned the X2 theory! It's heavily implied in the Japanese version that Serges is an android Dr. Wily. I think of it like Dr. Gero from Dragon Ball Z.
Mat Pat doesn't care about facts. On his Food Theory channel he said you could grow mushrooms indefinitely by just putting the stems in a compost heap, looool. 🤣😂
Isnt that misinformation?
It still baffles me that somehow Wily survived after being crushed by pure metal. With the whole X situation, similar to the Sonic Archie Comics, Wily could have transferred his consciousness to another body. Before you can debunk, due to how powerful Zero was at that time, it felt like Wily wanted to use his advanced technology as a last middle finger to Light.
Maybe the Wily who was crushed was a robot decoy he left to fight in his place, but that only makes one wonder why doesn't he always do the same... or does he?
He was a robot decoy. Real Wily was killed by Megaman at the end of Megaman 2 on gameboy
@@paulhart7739 Did you even watch the video?
I did. Did you?
Anime does this all the time and it's not uncommon in western media either that someone who is ends up in a surefire death-type situation manages to survive. You can just use an excuse that there was a hole in the block that left him alive or that there was some type of escape panel below or that he used a device to quickly escape underground before he was crushed.
Matpat catchs L's in every community
The only “W” Mat ever gets is with his Minecraft theories, but that’s only because the developers recently just hamfisted lore into a game that is intentionally designed to have zero story. Minecraft’s story is supposed to be your own, not whatever the fuck these devs are doing.
Sorry for the tangent, but I just wanted to get this off my chest.
@@yoshisreal i like game theory as a show however i never take it seriously as i know how they sometimes leave out info or just say it doesn't matter.
There a UA-camr called reploid revo that does megaman lore videos but made a amazing two part video on why matpat's megaman game theory are wrong
“Umm actually his Fnaf lore is good “-🤓
@@chris1229sonic the only reason it good to begin with is people don't know what the hells going on halve the time
He still beat tho
Bass is just based, that’s why
So they are saying the Real Wily died after 3 games and the Robot Wily was in it for 8 more games. That doesn't make sense. Not to mention Wily was arrested at the end of 6. Pretty sure if he was a robot they would have found out. Great video. Like and subscribed
1:26 That's his capsuel? Why is it so small, then? Is it supposed to be in the distance? Then why is it IN FRONT of the tree? Shouldn't it be behind the tree? The tree sure looks pretty close to Megaman. The only way this makes sense is if the tree is Ygdrasil or some other 100ft behemoth and we just don't get the scope of the size of the tree.
Lmao they really did animate that ufo weirdly
@@mylam658 Do you know what I think this proves about the theory?
This!!!
Proves!!!
...that the spriters messed up.
@@baalfgames5318 Not the only spriting error in that game either 🤣
It's amazing that MM3 is as good a game as it is, despite it being unfinished.
@@caucasoidape8838 true
That MatPat joke where you used the meme clip was hilarious. I definitely agree that the Game Theorists have yet to have a good Mega Man theory, but...I'm not sure your video successfully debunked the theory. Rather, you just stated why people believe the theory and then simply said "no." I think it's a fun theory to consider, but obviously I don't think it's supposed to be canon. That said, if you decide to make another theory debunking video, I would like to see you give more substantial evidence to back up your side rather than just address the opposing viewpoint. Take as much time to argue against the theory as you take to explain it.
Dr. Wily is like the Joker, he is not dead unless you see a body.
Theory: the real Dr. Wily died at the end of Megaman 1. He begs for mercy and then the scene cuts away to the credits. Most people assume this means Dr. Wily was spared, but in actuality Megaman just shoots him and this was cut out due to being too grisly/making Megaman seem heartless and unheroic to a mostly child audience.
Creepypastas in a nutshell
Robots in megaman classic can’t hurt humans
@@chris1229sonictoo bad they don't care
and Hard Man is named after his robot boner, not his durability ; )
See this could be the case if Doctor Light hadn't perfected the balance between allowing MM to commit violence versus stopping him from harming humans in his programing since he had to make a soldier out of robot that was never meant for that. He then just makes a copy of his former friend out of a sense of guilt and to cover up he made a murder bot which he irons the programing of later. The rest of the games is just Dr Light letting this play out.
One INCREDIBLY minor detail that always bothered me, is how Dr. Wily is shown to "beam down" ON-SCREEN. Specifically in the cutscene in Mega Man 4, when he reveals himself as the villian. I can totally believe that humans can also use teleporters in this future, but it *could* help explain how he always gets away in the castle collapses.
Also, FYI, I think Wily using the "Speed Gear" animation is just to signify he is charging up some special attack or something, because I don't know if they really would want to make a bespoke animation just for a joke that takes up about 2 seconds.
I thought dr. Wily turned himself into a cyborg sometime after the classic seris
I mean there's strong evidence from what I've seen that he might be Dr Weil from the Zero games as well, as he claims to be the inventor of reploids in general.
@@jonnypotts8314 as a megaman nerd imma correct you like 🤓. Reploids are robots made in X's likeness after dr. Cain found him. X and Zero are technically not reploids and Dr. Cain made the first reploids
@@jonnypotts8314 if memory serves it may have been megaman zero 4 but its kinda implied that Dr.weil might be Wily's reincarnation
There's one big reason in particular as to why Wily can't be a robot during the events of the Classic series, especially as early as MM3: The AI tech doesn't exist for it. Wily doesn't program the laws of robotics into his creations, but the technology for true free will does not exist yet. X and Zero are canonically the very first robots will true free will and original thought to be created. This would mean that if Wily did program a robot to take his place, it would be bound to a programming directive the same as literally any other robot built in that timeframe. Even Bass is bound by the programming directive to be the strongest Robot Master. Wily however continues to exhibit free will and original thought, and even still has all of his memories as shown in MM11.
There's a mountain of other reasons why he can't be a robot as well, but the important takeaway is just that it's literally not possible given the level of technological advancement at the time of MM3. For Wily to be a robot after MM3 he'd have to be the worlds first Reploid and we already have hard confirmation by Capcom themselves that he isn't. The whole robot theory just doesn't add up when you consider the series canon overall. It only makes any kind of sense at all when you consider the classic series alone in a vacuum in which the X and later series don't exist (which doesn't canonically exist, Classic DOES lead into X, which leads into Zero, ZX, and then Legends), and even then the theory is full of holes such as Wily clearly still having a flesh and blood human body good enough to satisfy doctors at the hospital and such (It's even implied in X4 that Zero might have killed him, with his memory having a vague scene in which he's looking at his own bloodied hands).
I think the whole "Wily getting Roboenza" thing was just Mega Man and the other robots mistaking Wily getting a cold or another human virus for Roboenza due to it happening so close to the same time as the Roboenza pandemic. Keep in mind that Wily only gets sick, he doesn't become more violent after infection. Roboenza is a virus that reprograms robots into having violent tendencies, so if he was indeed a robot and got infected, he wouldn't simply just have a fever and some sniffles to be treated in the hospital, and he certainly wouldn't be feeling remorseful enough to leave the cure to Roboenza behind in his hospital room as soon as he was feeling well enough to leave. In fact, Wily's tendency towards feeling conflicted and remorseful in and of itself is a trait that proves his humanity as well, as he couldn't have been programmed with such feelings if his programming directive was world domination in Wily's name.
very nice video, if it helps tho, Hitoshi Ariga added this bit when writing a biography about Serges "During the X series, a Repliroid(Reploid) with Wily's memories, "Serges", appears in X2. In X4 he himself appears in the movie portions.".
Also both Isoc and Wily share voice actors... yeah, I had been watching Reploid Revo a lot haha.
While I agree that it's blatantly obvious Mega Man HASN'T killed Wily, I don't necessarily agree that he COULDN'T.
Firstly, he's capable of violating at least the Second Law ("A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law"), otherwise Wily could just say "stop bothering me" and the whole thing would end in the biggest anticlimax imaginable.
Secondly, and more importantly, there are situations where the First Law isn't so clear-cut and easy to interpret. Most relevantly, this would include cases where defending someone requires either not defending someone else, or outright harming them. In these cases, would not the lives of the world's innocents take priority over the life of the madman who continually threatens them? Even in the Japanese version, Mega Man demonstrates intent to kill Wily, even if he was prevented from going through with it. If the First Law truly prevented him from harming Wily, could he have made that attempt? Mega Man doesn't WANT to kill Wily, but I truly believe, in this one moment, that he thought it was the only way to protect the world.
I never thought about this until I saw this video. True or not I think that would be one of the coolest twists ever that Wily died in MM3 and an evil AI version of himself took over from there.
Game devs take notes
it's a silly theory with weak structure but it's not entirely impossible the way I see it.
Rock has the Ability to overwrite his own code.
I think in theory, Rock could kill Wily but chooses not to.
Blues was Altered by Wahwee to repair his power core .
There is no evidence either way, but it would seem that either Protoman was altered to use those three "laws" for just Wily himself, or removed them completely.
Protoman's programming would be similar to bass in theory.
Now, the question is.. "Can Bass Kill Wily? Would Bass Save Wily?" and why.
I thought about this since MM3. Although i never questioned that Wily was dead, i knew he wasn't.
In that "Rock has the ability to overcome his programing" If one human was going to kill a group of huaman Rock could kill the one to save the many,
I don't think any of the others has the ability to do that. Rock just simply has the Doctors Empathy, Dr. wright wouldn't kill Wily, so nether would Rock.
I thought that North American ending was a good way of setting up the Mega Man X lore. My head cannon was that Mega Man got fed up with Wily and killed him,, so he was decommissioned. Then Light made a night Mega Man that he made sure wouldn't make the same mistake.
Then I found out that ending was fake, so that all went in the trash.
Let's not forget Wily is a master escape artist as seen throughout the series. For all we know, Wily could've had a trap door where the junk block landed.
Thank god someone is challenging Game Theory! I used to love that show when it first came out, but once it got popular and people started taking it as doctrine, I couldn't stomach it anymore (that and Death Battle, both of which were on ScrewAttack back in the day).
You've earned yourself a subscriber.
And then of course there's Dr. Weil from the Megaman Zero series...and the ZX Sage Trinity of Thomas, Mikhail, and....Albert. Those all take place in the same universe, centuries after the original series.
People claiming Mat Pat's theories are wrong, should realize that it is only a theory. He is basically saying I believe this and here is why. It doesn't mean what he is saying is 100% correct. Remember it is only a THEORY.
If I am to play devil's advocate, MM10's ending scene is really vague on this.
We know that the Roboenza Cure magically works as soon as it's taken into a robot's system. (A la, Mega Man ingesting the pill after being sick from defeating all 8 Robot Masters that had Roboenza.) Now, for all the player knows, We have a scene that pretty much goes from the end of the final boss, to the ending scene where Dr.Wily escapes the hospital, but not until he had dumped the supply of cures on his bed.
Now sure, we can assume that these two cutscenes happened over a considerable amount of time. But the thing that gets me is how Dr.Wily really did escape. Think about it. If we took all of each of the 3 Main Character's Endings into account, Dr.Wily suddenly became sick and had to be treated at a hospital, or else he would have genuinely risked dying from the sickness. Given that, Any normal human would have needed to rest for a good amount of time, before they would be free to leave the hospital. And assuming after he would be cured, he would be sent to jail for his crimes.
But to me, there seems to be an issue with this. The ending of MM10 clearly shows that Dr.Wily left the hospital, via his ship. And though it's speculative, his escape could have happened before the hospital's expectations of Wily's condition. This would also be the reason why after Wily was "Cured" he didn't go straight to jail. But then that begs the question: "How would Dr.Wily, a man who was suffering from a life-threatening illness, suddenly just have the means to up-and-fly out before the time of his cure?"
The only explaination I can think of logically is that he has the Roboenza Cures to help him. Assuming that there wasn't much time between the fight and sending Wily to the hospital, Wily could have used the pills to heal instantly and drive while no one was looking. And that could show that Dr. Wily might not be human. Again, this is all moreso speculation rather than undenyable proof, but the Logic seems to bounce all over the place because Capcom never really confirms or denies these kinds of things unless they REALLY want to show us something.
i wonder if Wily was ever human in the first place and that’s why he is so obsessed with Megaman and Light.
2:19 And this goes to all material of Rockman
repeat this after me "The Japanese Version is the Real canon, non the English ones"
Wily being a robot double would explain why he's still around in Mega Man Legends
There is no confirmation that MML is part of the regular MM timeline. Chances are it's just its own thing entirely set in a different universe. Same for Battle Network & Shooting Star (though they are part of their own timeline). The only confirmation is Mega Man > X until X5 > Zero > ZX. Maybe you could consider X6 a branched path, but nothing takes place afterwards so it ends there so you can probably consider that one a retcon.
Wily is not in Mega Man Legends, what do you mean???
@@mylam658 he's the boat salesman
@@thenonexistinghero hey man, just let me have this. 😭
@@lzrbck no way that's him bro, he's way too tall and he's not even doing anything evil 😭
I think Wily gave himself robotic enhancements, which is why he caught roboenza and used the speed gear
Wily doesn't actually use the speed gear at the end of Mega Man 11, he can just do that
yeah he died and Mr. X replaced him
1:32 - Either those three shots were timed to the music or it was an amazing coincidence.
Nah, Wily clearly dies in World 2 after crashlanding on Earth, engulfed in an explosion visible from outer space.
Then the plot of The Wily Wars is a cover up story for Mega Man to travel back in time to fix the mess.
Gamma’s Law states “Whenever anyone questions anything regarding Mega Man 3 (such as boss design, controls, weapon concepts, or stage layout), the answer is always ‘Because Mega Man 3 is a released beta.’”
Remember, Wily was revealed to be an alien in Mega Man 2 so maybe his alien species is immortal.
People still dont understand that wily gets sick at the end of megaman 10 because he is a human that cant breathe in space 🙄
I don't think you would get a fever if you went into space without a suit. If you were to enter space without a suit, your lungs would expand and will continue to rupture. In between that, you would have lost consciousness because of the lack of oxygen, and you would die. But, since Wily is a cartoon character in an E-rated video game, he doesn't have to worry about breathing in space.
He just had a fever, there was a cutscene beforehand where he sneezes while hijacking TVs.
2:30 got Disturbed stuck in my head and I ain't complaining. GET DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS 🤘
Mega Man 3 is without a doubt my favorite Mega Man and the pinnacle of the early saga for me. But that would simply undo THE PERFECT ending for Wily's arc and Mega Man classic AS A WHOLE that is Mega Man 10, the single best videogame ending to me of *all time.*
Actually Megaman killed Dr Wily at the end of MM2 on gameboy which takes place between MM2 and MM3 NES. So Wily is already dead going into MM3. The Wily that died in the ending is a robot, which is why Protoman was not obligated to save him
The laws of robotics are more like highly advisable Suggestions
The intro to MM11 begins with Dr. Wily having a bad dream and waking up in bed.
I know robots like Zero can dream, but I’m not sure about the clasisc-era robots. And even then, Zero slept in a recharge capsule, not a regular bed.
I think that’s proof enough that Wily is still alive and well in the classic series.
Sergas being Wily still doesn't mean he died in Mega-Man 3. He could have made himself a cyborg (half human, half machine) long long after the classic Mega-Man series. I don't get why people would think it means he did die in 3
I think Wily should have died so CAPCOM's writers could give us a new trilogy with a Dr. Antagonist for Light and Mega Man/ Rock to bring down. Who knows, maybe this could have refreshed the franchise rather than repeating Wily's defeat again and again?
Let me throw you one worse about Protoman's response to the Three Laws of Robotics: Robots who witness the harm of another human being that they were unable to save for *any reason* malfunction or degrade mentally. Dependent on their complexity, a robot may outright shut down, develop various faults, or even GO INSANE. One robot who had been been witness to a dead body in one of the original stories developed a lisp. It was very unusual. Still, robots that witness harm to a human start to go bad, and the longer they go without reprogramming or a memory wipe, the worse they will get. THIS...can lead to something similar to a *Maverick* cutting loose. Funny, huh? Long before Capcom was even a thing, the blueprints for Megaman were there.
This leads up to a funny thing about the ending for Megaman 7. Now, the Japanese ending is the canon ending, but I would read Megaman's silent pause as a bit more ambiguous, as though pondering that for a moment, or perhaps that it is the Japanese awkward pause where he's working on whether that applies or not. I agree that the American ending is a bit much, because Rock is suppose to be a decent guy who wouldn't shout something like that. *But that said,* there is one thing that would allow for it, and that he could've been thinking over in that pause, and that is the Zeroeth Law. The Zeroeth Law is essentially a 'Needs of the many' sort of law that is a little more fluid in robot brains. That is, a complex-enough robot can reason that it CAN let a human die IF it protects the lives of so many others. Would this happen? Hard to say. Rock is morally-decent, so it's hard for him in particular to overcome the Three Laws. *But I would read the '.....' pause as him thinking about it, and leaving it to out imagination what his reaction might be, before the alarms go off.* There is some more subtlety in Japanese translations, sometimes. The American version may've been doing that in a more hamfisted sort of way.
Bass is clearly programmed with only two of the laws, and can be considered insane and a prototype for Maverick kind before the development of Zero. He does not have the First Law, and therefore has no need of the Zeroeth Law. The reason that he is insane - apart from the obvious destructive nature allowed to play out with the guy - is that there is actually a bit where Asimov says (through his characters in the robot novels) that a robot's mental structure would begin to collapse without one of the Three Laws in place. Without the First Law, a robot could be ordered to anything, but without respect for humans would start finding ways to work around the Second Law and only obey the Third, which is to protect itself. That's Bass. A robot without the Second Law would do whatever it wants as long as it doesn't harm a human, but because it won't obey them, it could decide to put them all in stasis forever and do whatever it likes with no humans around. And of course, if it had no Third Law, it would destroy itself by not looking after itself while obeying the other laws. As for Dr. Wily catching the virus, much like The Flare from Lasers & Liches, the virus he made mutated and crossed over to infect people. This is the first Maverick Virus, completely out of control, so it's a good thing he had vaccines!
The actual death of Wily is unknown, because he could have made all manner of machines that emulated or straight-up had his mind within them, or he could have even been in a stasis chamber that would preserve him. We're not sure, but we do know that in Megaman X5, Sigma met an Old Man who provided him with a body that - while incomplete - was very much like Gamma. Whether he's dead or actually still alive is kind of a mystery, really, left ambiguous while the fight between he and Dr. Light STILL go on...
People are idiots. He’s in MM11...
In Serges case i think is more likely he is a prototype body double Willy made, i kind of believe Willy kept his brain or even entire head in some sort of self sustaining thing
And yes, in a way Doctor Wily is immortal. He becomes the "Zero Virus". But his body is only human.
I never heard of this theory but this video makes me believe it now 😂
There’s a character in megaman x3 named Dr.Doppler & in captain commando theres a character named doppler who looks exactly the same as Dr.Doppler witch could imply that captain commando & megaman x are in the same universe
Wily was both Serges and Isoc.
Put the theory to rest. There is a Dr. Wily and a Dr. Willy.
Don't forget Dr. Wiley(MM3), Dr. Wylie(MM7) and Dr. Waily(SNK vs Capcom:Card Fighters)
Lore of Dr. Wily DIES in Mega Man 3?! Momentum 100
that question doesn't let me sleep
As a Japanese, I thought the discussion was novel and nonsensical.
Even as a child, I could see that the good versus evil plot of Peach always being kidnapped by Bowser and rescued by Mario, and the righteous party defeating the evils that always seek to destroy or conquer the fantasy world, is a continuous business model that the game makers are working on, you know.
Considering that the work was produced for children at the time, it is inconceivable to create such a suggestive and complex description and worldview. In creating a sequel to the series, seems the game makers have tried to give the children a sense of [persuasiveness -> depth] as they grow up.
As you can see from the Zelda games and MGS games, us, the children of those days who have grown up are probably just amused by the contradictions that always arise when a large number of successors to the first game are produced.
That's fun, as it were. It is meaningful to enjoy new interpretations.
Actually I think you are wrong about Protoman, the thing that makes him so unique is that he could think and act for himself, and it was due to a fault in his design which would also eventually kill him, and the reason why he escaped from Light's lab, is because he was afraid of being "repaired" and then losing that freedom basically, so whenever Protoman helps out or whatever it isn't because of the laws of robots to protect humans or anything, its just because Protoman is a good person and won't just sit back and do nothing.
Nice breakdown
The Japanese game of Megaman 3, subtitled, the End of Wily? I think that is another aspect that fuels this. Given up till the end of MM 4, Dr Wily appears to be out of the picture. This only time him being replaced in the imposter trilogy(4-6) anyone might have actually believed it.(Mr X being the least convincing.) I think Capcom wanted potentially make a new villain so they made Wily's potential death convincing enough for people believe could actually been offed for good. Up till MM revealed he was definitely still around, I thought it could go either way. I'd assume the thing we saw get crushed in MM 3 was probably just another robot since neither MM or Protoman get a chance to check. Wily made a couple fake outs even by this point. (Alien wily.) and we see Wily make a fake earlier in the game, so there's no reason it had be him in the ending.
While Dr Wily could be just a series of really convincing robots pretending to be him, I doubt a series aimed at children is going do something that dark. It's true this basically does happen in the X series, as Wily and Dr Light both seem to continue their robotic pissing contest into the next century, there's no reason assume it happened till the end of both their natural lives. I supposed the ultimate messed up scenario is Dr Wily died somewhere along the way(Like MM killed him at the end of MM 1 and he made a copy to cover up his robots could murder people since he had to allow MM able to use violence and hadn't gotten the programing quite right yet.), and Dr Light out of some sort of guilt for his friend dying makes a super advanced robot to continue doing what he would, but because Doctor light far more competent this robot copy actually ends up being better building things than the original Dr wily was, hence it creates Zero based off this logic. Dr Light is too guilt stricken to admit he made a robot of his friend, and lets it play out as if it's still him. He then creates an AI of himself and the two continue their rivalry beyond the grave through proxies.
Both Dr light and Wily cause so much death and destruction into the X series and beyond due to their creations battling each other and the escalations that follow with each battle. (Sigma is an offshoot of Wily's work due to him being infected by the virus he created which elevates him into the threat he is.) This world would been better off had these guys done literally anything else with their lives but build robots. This is true regardless of what point these men were replaced with robots/AI to continue their work.
1:27 Maaan This Whole Time I Thought It Was A Bird Or Something Cuz It Stopped In The Tree Lol
Soooooo I've only been a megaman fan for a few years and I've ever heard of this theory lol
I’ve been a Megaman fan since ‘91-‘92 and I’ve never heard of this theory.
Wily survived MM3, because of cartoon logic. It's similar to how he is sometimes shown exploding in a machine, but only having a bandage on his forehead from it.
In X4 Wily is confirmed to be aiding Sigma as an A.I., or in some other weird way, so until otherwise, I'm going to assume he was also inhabiting Serges.
Megaman X is set 100 years later so the Doc has to be dead by then.
Doesn't the X series imply that Zero is responsible for Wily's death after Wily builds him?
Nope Photomatix has free will as a defect
I love how a tvtropes page made loads of people believe in that
is very simple in Rockman wily never dies.in X he died long time ago his last creation is Zero...maybe more creation after or before.
It's more likely that the Wiley we see getting crushed is yet another Robot Copy
With regard to Bass, I always liked the theory he's an example of giving an overly simple prerogative to a more complex robot. TLDR, Bass can technically disobey and weasel out of orders if you consider "Defeat Megaman" or "Be the strongest robot" to be his number one task. Staying to take care of Wily or not engage Megaman flies in the face of that, so Bass technically doesnt have to be as helpful as you'd expect. But Wily puts up with him because he has too much of an ego to reject HIS own creation (Wily genuinely does think Bass is a better robot) is clever enough to strongarm him into doing what he wants, and honestly might consider this is a natural problem with a more complex robot (Light and Megaman not having this problem because, yknow, Light treats Megaman like a son).
I forgot which part, but wasn’t mega man about to kill Wiley when his head springs out of its body?
Forte is an Irregular
If Bass left Wily to expire is proof that Wily is a robot, then Wily sending robots to endanger the world is proof that he isn't a robot. Contradiction there should the rule be strict. If he was a robot, he wouldn't need to escape every single time. He could easily expire and come back in another body, like Sigma. When he actually was a robot in X2 (as Serges), he went down without fearing it. No bowing and saying, "I give up."
What if there is no Dr. Wily, only Zuul?
The problem might be content but I think the problem is the shape of the game world. It’s not following super Mario brother or donkey Kong anymore and these anniversary deals are not piercing the market. If I had the choice to get Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Sonic, or Mega Man, I think FF gets 1st, Street Fighter gets back up, and Mega Man gets back burner.
Happy 30th aniversary MEGAMAN X :"D
Btw if megaman 7 japanese dialogue is being used as evidence why not X3 dialogue?
SERGES IS WILY CONFIRMED
Very well explained. Unfortunately, there are people that choose to believe lies and ignore the truth.
Too late probably means that Willy already ran away.
Likely.
Holy shit you're a cool youtuber
Wily created the speed and power gear he would find out a way to do it on humans
Zero died at least once, maybe even twice. I know after dying he was resurrected twice.
Mega Man story has become a state where nothing is canon. The story is only (no offense, mind you) gotten slightly better than the english voice acting.
Nobody wants another Flame Hyenard (X7) yelling "burn it to the ground" every 3 seconds.
Mega Man has a virus, and the MMan.exe file has become corrupted through the duplication process and fragmented through the spinoff-ication process.
Original RockMan is spinning in his watery grave.
Potato man (protoman) doesn't have the 3 laws. He has free will. That led to his fleeing.
How does Model W fit in? Is there an alternate timeline where the space colony never fell in MMX5?
Technically protoman and megaman are cyborgs not robots so they are not bound by those laws, see Robocop 2💀💀
You're Forgetting A Little Detail Rakuhouha In MM4 After Defeat Dr. Cossack We Can See A Cutscene That Shows Dr. Wily Teleporting In Front Of Mega Man Please Explain This!
No... he obviously didn't
Proto Man is not bound by the 3 laws. A glitch appeared during his activation which left him completely free will
The glitch is caused by a potentially deadly Flaw in his battery. Protoman does not trust that doctor light will respect his wishes to leave it alone. That is why he ran away
Protoman was built with a faulty power core. His "free will" isn't a glitch.
@@mylam658 a lot of the detractors of true AI make the claim of what's to stop them from reprogramming themselves so that the three laws aren't a factor? and it's entirely probable that, much like droids in Star Wars, if you leave them alone long enough they'll start to act outside the parameters of their programming. Like the (now Legends continuity) protocol droid Emtrey that managed to wind up as a squadron quartermaster and started creatively interpreting requisitions.
@@mylam658 his faulty power core caused the glitch.
@@Laserbryte it didn't, it's in Dr. Light's design philosophy to make his robots as human as possible. He designed Proto Man the way he is.
I always wonder that the wily that came are robots with willy's consciousness
Don't agree that Wily doesn't program his robots with the laws of robotics, and i present the very same robot master that calls that into question Bass. There is at least 3 different times Bass could have just ended Wily but the 2 always end up walking away together in the end. For Wily's own personal safety at least the robots he makes don't harm humans, something he's quick to call up when they're getting too rowdy near him.
Yeah, F matt pat.
I mean doesn't Super Adventure Rockman kind of needs Wily to be alive post MM3 given that otherwise the EMP field of Ra Moon would have toasted him?
tbh I never heard about this Theory
Ps. I *vastly* prefer the English MM7 Ending
Bet you're glad matpat retired
Good video, but the beeping sound took me away from it a lot, it got annoying fast. Still, good vide.
Took me a second to realize you meant the beeping in the song I used. Noted.
Mmm 🤔 he died in part 3
Your argument is it's not Wily because we see his ship at the end of MM3. (ignoring the massive problem that "the ship" crosses the foreground of the tree.)
I never assumed this was the ship as that animation was not used as the ship in this game. Nor does his ship fly like that in any of the games. And it going in front of the tree is a massive issue.
What was it intended as? Maybe a bird. That's what I always assumed it was considering it perched on top of the tree.
None of your other points countered any of the evidences.
So in conclusion:
It's probably best you not accuse people of having no critical thinking when you didn't really give any points to counter.
The fact that the capsule flies in front of the tree despite being behind it is probably just a sprite error. Mega Man 3 was a very rushed game, after all. Also, no bird that I know of looks like that. The capsule also does not perch on the tree. That is a frozen frame. If you look at Proto Man, his scarf stops moving at the same time the capsule does.
I think my other points countered all the evidence I could find on this theory, for about 6 minutes.
@@Rakuhouha But the other points were equivalent to "nuh uh". They weren't really evidence.
Btw, it also flies in front of the tree on the Wily Wars and parks on top.
"it also flies in front of the tree on the Wily Wars and parks on top." True, but it's still clear that it's Wily's capsule. Also, I'm not trying to prove a separate point with this. I'm trying to disprove this theory, as there are only 2 sides to take with it. Either you believe that he died in that game's ending, or he didn't.
Mm3 is the goat nes game
Mega Man is not a robot he is an Android
He is described as specifically "robot" in every game
@@mylam658Besides, an android is literally just a robot with a humanoid appearence.
dr wiley totally dies at the end of megaman 3 dude. youre grasling at straws