Acacia Guitars - CNC Body, Glue Top, Carve Neck - Video 3 of 9
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Loving this series. These guys are making my band some custom guitars so I am in the shop every now and then. They put so much love into everything they make and the finished product definitely shows.
TTK, that was absolutely fascinating. I never knew how any of this was done, and watched the video with great interest. Thanks.
Who else brings us this kind of cool guitar content on the regular besides TK and his friends? Awesome collaboration
Thanks for sharing your build process!! Excellent guitar!!!
Awesome video series! I really want to get an Acacia guitar now, and support these people! They seem to be making their guitars with alot of love and enjoy the craft of making a guitar! I would love so much to be able to order a custom 7 or 8 string from you all! I will definitely keep AcaciA in mind when i get to the point of purchasing my own, custom! Cant wait! Keep it up!
It's such a beautiful guitar anyway but to show how it's constructed makes it even better. Nobody shows there process. All of us would love to be making guitars. Good Work Acacia! Again, Congrats TTK! She's a beaut!
Wow. One piece neck and body. I didn't think that was even a thing (anymore). That's literally a dream job. It's interesting to see the process to create the multilevel arm relief. Always wondered how that was done in production.
You always post the coolest vids!
+Dwayne ClintX Thank you!
Looks very nice!
Can't wait to do this in my wood shop class
Wow lots of CNC hate! I like the idea that I can have a guitar built precise for a great price because of CNC.
Boomers
The high end manufacturers use CNC machines too... it makes for more consistency and less error in production.
People are just ignorant.
Hi Guys, Love your set up and videos. Cool stuff. Can you tell me what kind of cutter that you are using for the profiling of the body and neck. In part 3, 0.58 seconds.
I am not having much luck here with my straight fluted cutters, yours seem to have a sheer angle..must make for a better finish cut. Many thanks.
very nice indeed. It's the type of project i would like to do. cheers
When a luthier says stay tuned, HA!
Perfect.
Great job friend ! 6:54 --> Please, can you tell me what is the thickness of the cover? 3 - 4 - 5 mm? Thanks
great work. i actually don't like the strings so close to the body as i lose control with my picking hand the ability to grab the strings and dig. It's a style thing but i've gone as far as replacing the stock strat pickguard with a thinner 1 ply one to get more space under the strings. I also remove the PG on SG's and LP's to get more space under there
I love how you save machine time by taking it off and cutting it on the band saw .. but how did you rezero so perfect. I would love to do that but I’m too scared to lose my zero point or be off by a mm.
A little late, but it looks like he has indexing holes on the back. Check out 3:30
Very awesome! How do you re-register the guitar body on the CNC after taking it to the bandsaw each time? I noticed you have a custom vacuum table, but wasn't sure if you had used something like dowels to realign the part on the machine.
You can see two alignment pin holes on the table and guitar body.
How do you re-align the guitar on the CNC? Using a Shopbot, I always have a HELL of a time re-registering something once I've removed it from the CNC. I can get it close, but its always at least 1mm off, or has a tilt.
Curious about your method of doing the arm contour gluing. When you glue the top, first, aren't you getting a lot of glue squeeze-out along the countour edge that would harden and get in the way? How do you clean that out before gluing the contour piece down?
Since you carve out guitars from a single wood block, I suggest you try chambering the body. It's going to allow better acoustic depth and resonance.
also for those asking: they don't CNC the headstock because it's at a different angle than the rest of the guitar. if they did strat-style flat headstocks, they could CNC the whole thing.
what CAD and CAM software do you use? how do dose the machine get aligned?
How do you control the moisture, so the neck doesn't warp a year from now ? Do your guitars have a garantee ?
That was an awesome! Does every guitar start from scratch or do they have a bunch precut/prepped waiting for specifics of a custom order. Really enjoyed the video man! Heading to their website now.
+Paul Lue We have some bodies pre glued but 90% are done to order. Every custom is slightly different from the other. For our Pro series, we have neck and body blanks glued up and basically ready to be cut out to the customer's order.
+Acacia Guitars Thank you! I'm seriously considering a custom build. Can't wait to hear this guitar.
Is the neck and body all 1 piece? If you do a neck through body I hope it is different pieces laminated for strength?
Really cool video! Are you the one filming? These guys seem reallt nice, I'll get my next guitar from them, for sure!
+Leng Bleu (Lengbleu) I am not filiming. They are doing all the work. Literally - guitar, camera, edits, etc :-). I just get to share with you guys!! How cool is that :-)
No way! This is so cool, indeed! Thanks for sharing, hope it helps them become more known :D
Why the arm bevel in 2 separate operations?
great vid...
song please!
where can i get the file? I'm starting with my cnc and it would be very helpful, thanks!
how dose the CNC machine line it up?
why not use a little bit of steam to make the top bend better and easyer ?
Did he just bend that top and glue it without wetting it down?
i wonder if this is also recorded by cnc machines
This is awesome. 2 questions. Why do they glue the top on in 2 steps instead of all at once? Why do they do the headstock by hand when everything else in CNC?
+Darrell McMillan I suspect if they didn't glue the flat piece first - it would just move in place. They probably start with the flat - and when that's dry - clamp down the beveled part.
good questions!
we have a contoured arm cut and it's easier to bend this way. we don't like when companies just cut right thru the arm cut to show the body wood..seems odd.
we are currently working on setting up our new machine to do the back of the headstock and shape. design..program..make jigs (design and program those) just a time thing.
thanks for liking the videos!
+Acacia Guitars Another question along the same lines: why not just glue the top on without cutting it to a rough shape with the bandsaw first? Couldent the CNC machine do this ?
+larshcdk the clamps basically wouldn't fit if it was the full size top (if that is what you are asking) also it is easier to see if we have a good bond to the body wood. Hopefully that helps!
+Acacia Guitars I love your guitars...is there any way a customer can get a bigger headstock?...the same shapes you guys have just bigger/longer?
you guys don't heat from the arm contour like acoustic sides first? I had no idea you can just glue and clamp that down and it stay.
you can and we used to but the bend is not as extreme as an acoustic so it not that hard with a little experience.
13:57 - They use a lovely piece og mahogany as a backing for drilling into?! What the hell, dude!?
Yeah..it hurt me too
Great job so far bro! Go CNC or GO HOME!! 🎸🎸👍
One question. Why didn't you use the CNC to carve the headstock and drill tuner holes ?
on our to do list. it's alot of designing jigs making..since the headstock is angled, we have to flip the guitar around and have the body basically at a tilt
Muito legal
That gluejoint is gonna come loose. You didn't dampen that part of the top.
I like
Nice work mate. Ignore all the self righteous comments regarding the CNC. If it works for you and you produce a great product, I guess they're just jealous!
I do have a question regarding the headstock... do you have any issues making it a 4+2? I had heard (just hearsay) that there was some other company that had tried to patent that idea and was causing problems for otger folks using a 4+2. Truth or rumour?
Oh Yeah, love the finished product 😁
Verdadeiro.
What kind of neck profile?
Hi, i have a cnc and i need the telecaster files for neck and body, do you know where i can buy it?.
Thanks
Marcelo Gadea ... go buy a telecaster from guitar center. Take it home, disassemble it, trace it, get all the measurements you need for neck pocket and pick up cavities. Once you've traced your templates and got all your measurements then reassemble the guitar and return it to guitar center within 30 days for a full cash refund. Finally take that cash refund and buy all the materials and supplies needed to build your own telecaster using the templates and measurements you now have.
what cnc machine is that?
What model of CNC do you use that will fit and cut the body and neck in one piece? X-Carve or Laguna? Seems more robust than those? Anyone know?
Looks to be a Laguna 7:35
muito bom
Why do you glue the top in two stages?
In a single stage glue process, the wood top will experience stress all over, whereas in a two stage process, the top will only experience stress around the bend.
Do you sell scraps?
Good job👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What the song start from 10:46?
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That's pretty thin for a top. That's a veneer. Looks around 5mm. So, a generously thick veneer. What is the actual thickness?
Anyone know the name of the song that starts at 10:36?
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;)
(2:28) I feel sad for all the wood that is wasted just to get a tilt back headstock :(
Not to mention the Instability that method leads to...
JrJr Diablo I can build a neck blank so I can get a tilt back 12 degrees and a strait head stick out of same beam.
The fun for me building my own guitars is the actual carving that I do with files and carving tools the CNC takes all the fun out of it.
Anthony Festa
Uh sure, but when you're running a business and need to produce products as efficient as possible for a certain price point then that's not really an option...
No neck angle ???
what's the brand, model and price of your CNC?
Thats a Laguna.. made in china.
Just so everybody knows... nobody likes the way this guy made this guitar, but he doesn’t need to hear all of your criticisms... where are all of your videos before shaming this guy
Le falta una cosa muy muy importante. Tiene que tener un alma.
All that CNC machining I thought it was a Chinese or Korean factory for a minute and if he does not start to use a push stick when routing the headstock he won't be playing for long
pro tip: when you're glueing down the top on the cutaway part put a wet rag on the place where its going to be the center of the bend over night that way you're not risking cracking the top
Thomas Rott he may not want water warping his original design... pro tip do your own video
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what is the thickness of the top?
I noticed the same. Quite thin for a top. When it can be bent over and glued without heat or moisture, that's a veneer.
Hello, I have a question. Where can i get that machine ?
Cnc
I need The machine
Thank you
don't buy a Chinese one like that. They don't last. Junk bearings in the machine and spindle.
green323turbo
What Is Your recomendation for buy
I need You help
Thank You
lots of used N/American built machines on the market cheap. Get one running Mach3
green323turbo Have you got a link or information of the websites where you buy. What you recomend me? Because I Have no idea. Thank you very much.
Hello, The machine being used is a Laguna CNC Swift series 4x4 (An American company based in California) Would heartily recommended it.
It's starting to look like a guitar.
12:40 it's gonna be tricky to play when you're missing fingers
and another thing, the removing of ''extra'' wet glue with the nice hand chisel ? I don't think so !!!!
haha! that's our official glue chisel and you can't see it but I do wipe off the rest with a damp rag. I like to get most of it off first tho
A vacuum bag like what's used for skateboards would have been better to glue this top
any one in the UK ...who can make a neck to a pattern ? BN1 Area
Watching of course .... sorry !
With a cnc anyone can make a guitar; I would like to see you doing it from the beginning and by hand. Slds
That's not a cheap way of building guitars.
CNCing the back of the neck? god damn you must've paid someone top dollar to design those curves in software.
Definitely a challenge but luckily my brother went to school cad and solid works! pretty lucky there
Its easy on Rhino. Draw 2 profile curves and use one of the surface commands. Also Rhino cam does a good job.
The whole point of building your own guitar is to go through the labour and hardships when constructing to get that satisfaction at the end.
I can understand routing the pickup cavities but really?
Machining the body and neck, what is the point. All satisfaction and pride goes out the window.
My self build was done completely by hand and honestly it's so much more satisfying and enjoyable 😄 But hey to each to his own it came out good, just don't agree with the methods used. I just feel after building both ways that CNC takes the philosophy and feeling out of the experience. There's benefits to both construction processes of course but oh well, it's not my guitar.
Well being a guitarist and machinist at the same time myself I absolutely understand the method he used for the simple reason that if you understand both trades, meaning woodworking on one hand for the general feel and behaviour of the material and cnc machining on the other you can build a guitar that fits down to micrometre, even tho in my experience that is much more important for the angles then the dimensions and general tolerances, especially when doing only single pieces or small series where you just have the time to take an empty cut after the finishing cut.
You could say, doing it absolutely exact is just another philosphy (or occupational disease for that matter) that comes with being a machinist
your double handling
im sure this is a nice guitar to play, i mean to afford all that equipment you have got to sell a few! but there is no craftmanship to it, something shaped by hand is unique and you know it, these are all going to be 100% identical except for the grain of each blank, its also painfull to see people clamping wood without using a block to protect your nice new top! here's a tip cut a template 1/2 inch bigger than the body out of thick ply then glue 1.5 inches thick high density foam to the other side clamp that to the top when you glue it to apply even pressure all over and not mark it, it should also allow you to glue the cutaway slope all at the same time, its easier, cleaner, doesnt damage the top, and you only have to do one lot of drying so its quicker!
Go CNC or go home.
I am proud that I build hand made guitars and that no CNC crap ever touches any of my guitars. Guitar building is or, was an art now CNC robots and crap glues , epoxies and Cyos rule the roost. At least I know my 40 years of hand made Hide glue acoustics guitars will never be matched by these android instruments for tone, beauty or build quality. And I have the testimonials by Professional musicians from around the world that can buy anything they want. That's why the best musicians play my acoustics and they know why it takes the time it does and why I guarantee them for life, any repair any set-up always free until I can no longer hold a chisel. I've tried for 15 years to find an apprentice but if it doesn't involve chasing a ball or writing code nobody is interested. After my last 5 are done I am going to retire and sell off my shop and lifelong collection of the worlds finest wood collection and hand made tools. This video just makes me sick to my stomach.
So you're sick because you couldn't catch up with technology?
As far as I know, building acoustics is completely different to building electric and requires way more hand work than electric. You shouldn't be pissed of that somebody makes guitars with CNC, cause it's really not your target if what you say it's true - CNC made guitars are usually way cheaper than hand made guitars - that is if you're really that appreciated luthier. But jugding by how you wrote your comment - it's probably all in your head.
warren weldon so go to the hand made guitar channel u fuck tard.
You realise that these are not acoustics though?
No one have ever heard about Warren Weldon's guitars. Sorry.
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I made it with woodprix handbooks !
I appreciate the build but this vid is painfully slowww. I can only take so much watching a cnc cut.
This is not guitar making, just how to program a cnc to do everything for you.
How do you think basically all the guitars you buy are made?Do you think there is some old luthier like Yoda making everything with hand tools?
Your kidding me !! The amount of thought is almost more than making it with hand tools!! Cnc is a reality and if it’s an original design it is every bit as hand made boutique as something hand made
@@Dreamdancer11 you *are* right in that CNC machined parts are common to day but there are so many flaws in the construction of that "device" leading to a lower quality of what would have been possible. Examples: glue gap, non detachable neck, tilted head milled into the stock etc. - not to forget that instruments differ one from the other so you cannot expect the manually tweaking and setup can be omited completely by using CNC. After all, nice effort for a CNC guy but a poor result for a luthier - be it the old Yoda or a young padawan.
@@orangmakan The quality is higher than ever before even in the "lower level" instruments.I think you forgot that the iconic guitars of the past like the early strats and teles for example have grand canyon gaps on the neck joints which you wont ever find in a squier for gods sake....stop trying to downplay the CNCs superiority. It gets the job done perfectly every time according to your specs.
I have made my personal guitars completely by hand,i mean not even a router was owned by me(just rasps,forstner bits and ALOT of hand sanding) and they came out great but took me FOREVER.Believe me i could do the same job on the cnc but it would also cut the effort not in half but...in 1/100th and it would always be repeatable and perfect.Solid body electric guitar building is not a rocket science no matter how hard some people try to make it so....
@@Dreamdancer11 you missed my point. Use CNC for creating reproduce able parts and exact measurements. Fretwork, neck pocket etc do clearly benefit from CNC. I am just against how cnc is applied *here*. And do not forget that cnc might create parts with identical dimensions while not ensuring identical behaviour as wood differs from log to log,
After watchong this video, I feel like to buy a cnc milling not a guitar !
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I created something like that thanks to the Stodoys instructions.
Man, you guys waste a lot of wood in your process. You must charge a bunch for your axes.
Cnc.................
You don't get it what is to build an instrument for music. Wood must be getting note in tune when it resonate) You make just a firewood.
fuckin hipsters if it looking good it does not meat that it is actually good. Try to get what Lutners make when him actually work and why it is so hard to be a REAL Lutner.
Cnc machine.. I feel cheated!!.. Lol.. No art in that.. Craftsmen are the best!.. But nice guitar..
CNC= no soul
Not a luthier a machinist.
Disliked.......so annoying