Shopsmith "Stand Alone" Tools? That'll NEVER Happen!
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
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Thank you Scott for clearing that up. A wealth of Information.
You are welcome.
Insightful as always. Thank you Scott.
Thanks, Mark.
Aside from the sales hype done by Shopsmith since the late 1980's when I bought my first Mark V, I never dug in to the actual history or start of the concept of the multi-purpose tool. I was aware of its competition in the 90's...Total Shop being one. I had seen the name "Magna" but never paid attention that it appears to have preceded the "Shopsmith" name by many years. From the Twin Tube stand to the stand alone stand but to all the toys sold by SS as in the Jig Saw, Band Saw, Jointer, etc. Thanks for making this available Scott.
Great ideas, but that said they take up a lot more room that my workshop doesn't have. Great vid!
So true.
Love my SawSmith radial arm saw! I'm restoring a second one now.
That's great. Are either of them on the original stand?
@@MyGrowthRings I have the original 4-leg stand for one and no stand for the other. I had to replace the hardware and painted the stand.
Great show! Best to date! Thanks!
Thanks!
Mr. Markwood -
How interesting is that!!? Way cool.
Thanks, Mr. Rice.
Very cool walk through SS history Scott!!❤
Thanks!
I have a fully restored Sawsmith radial arm saw.
Nice! Do you use it?
Very interesting!
Thanks!
Thanks for another great video on the history of Shopsmith tools. I really want the ice cream churn!
Ha! You know, it's probably out there somewhere.
I wish you would do a video on the over arm router as I have one of the last version they built. It would be great to learn more about it.
I have one and will do just that. Eventually.
I have a stand alone bandsaw model 7109 with its own stand. Have the shopsmith 55586 from 2002 Anniversary Edition upgrade head that had the original 1975 head. It came with the Magna jig saw, table saw, paint sprayer, and drill.
Did you ever use the sprayer?
No I haven't
Don't forget the router table that can be stand alone, mounted to the wall, or mounted to the accessory tubes. I got a video on that coming about April/May. Also, that Life photo, wasn't there a similar one from another angle with the Mark 5?
I don’t recall that photo, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Well, bless your heart, Scott. I really love reviewing Shopsmith history. It is a lot like reviewing family history to me. 😊❤
Scott… I did not know that! You showed a bunch of tools I never heard about. Thanks for all the research and the enlightening presentation.
One that you talked about was the 9” table saw. Indeed, 10” saws were hard to come by. When I bought my first saw from Sears, all of the 10” were cast iron topped pro or contractor models. There was no way I could afford them. But, they made a cast aluminum topped 9” that was. So, I bought one.
I have it still and loaned it out to my nephew so that he could start his woodworking journey. What I’m finding is that 10” saws have proliferated the market. It is to the point that finding a good selection of quality 9” blades is almost impossible.
Isn’t it funny how the common can become a unicorn in such short order? Perhaps that says more about my advanced years than it does about market forces!
I know what you mean. I suppose you could always run 7 1/4" blades in a pinch.
Judging by many of the posts on the Shopsmith Owners Group, many people are just now getting into the Shopsmith experience; so I fully understand that some folks don't know the history and variety of Shopsmith tools. Thanks for enlightening them (I already knew about the tools because I am a long time user and a follower of all things Scott Markwood. You mentioned the strip sander as one tool you would never part with. Me too! I love how versatile it is, and especially how well it handles small pieces. Just today I sanded off bandsaw and table saw marks on the flat sides of 1/4" x 2" x 1/12" pieces of valley oak so I could scroll out some earrings and necklaces. Blessings, Glen
I’ll admit that I was late to the party of the strip sander. When it first came out I just couldn’t see past all the “craft” applications Shopsmith’s marketing department seemed to always show it performing, but Jim McCann finally convinced me that I needed to give it a second look and it won me over. That was way back in the early 90’s!
Whoa! That radial arm saw with open blade and nearby fingers (3:31) made me wince a bit.
Yep, it could be scary for sure. You should see someone ripping on a RAS if you really want to wince!
Love the history. Thanks Scott.
Thanks, me too!
I enjoy the Shopsmith history... Thank you! 😎
Thanks for watching and commenting!
The history of ShopSmith is very interesting. Thank you for the history lesson.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
If a multipurpose power tool is a tool whose power comes from a motor that also supplies power to other tools of other functions, then the Delta multipurpose system well predates the Shopsmith. I assume "motor sharing" was needed to make the tool affordable for consumers. I base that assumption on another assumption, that early electric motors were relatively expensive compared to the rest of the kit.
It seems that electric motors have become cheap and portable, and now the trend is to bolt the point of operation directly onto the motor shaft. This gives crafters the ability to own multiple single-purpose tools and in many cases multiple duplicates. So, people ask, does Shopsmith make sense anymore since the original cost-saving motivation for multipurpose tools has been solved?
But, 2023 puts us back in the same in a similar situation that Delta was dealing with almost 100 years ago. That is DVR motors are quite expensive. So, doesn't it make sense to share that expensive motor across multiple tools and functions?
An excellent point, Tom. Yes, I almost talked about the Delta-Shop, but I figured I would leave it for a different video. I still think that magna had the better tool combination. The delta shop had the most bizarre drill press, adaptation that you’ll ever see!
One advantage of motor sharing is that, because the cost of the motor is spread out across several tools, it can be built more solidly and still be cost competitive.
I'm convinced that after mankind has disappeared, the intelligent cockroaches that take over the world will be able to use my Mark V motor after some quick lubrication.
I have a couple of the old Delta (Milwaukee) table saws and the motors are indeed Big-A**! I suspect that they deliver much closer to their rated HP than newer motors do, too.
@@mikeking7470 Those old motors were so overbuilt! And surprisingly weren't aways very efficient. Aad boy, were they expensive! That fact alone made the Shopsmith appealing.
@@fins9584 :)
My collection of SPTs have all been converted to stand alone. When SS came out with the power station I got one and I liked it so much that over the years I purchased a few others on the used market, one for each of my SPTs. Except for the pro planer and scroll saw which were purchased as stand alone from SS.
It took a while to acquire the extra power stations as used SS tools can be hard to find up here in the great white north.
Thanks for another informative video Scott.
It’s hare to beat the PowerStation!
Who’d thunk it? I have the pro planner stand alone.
I’m sure that’s news to a lot of people.
I recently purchased a Shopsmith jigsaw (not Magna) at an auction. I assume the only difference is the different logos. Could you provide some details about the two?
I’ve done a couple video on them and yes, they are the same tool with different name plates.
I think I missed you mentioning the 1989 Power Station and the 1998 Crafter's Station which could both be used to run the SPTs as stand-alone tools. Shouldn't they be included? They even look like they used the same legs.
Yes, I mentioned them but didn’t show them.
Scott, I have a question about one of Shopsmith’s stand alone tools - the DC3300 dust collection system. I have one and like it, but always felt it could use more power. When they came out with the upgrade to the 6000, I liked the idea, but thought the package was a little pricey. They just recently had a sale on the package and I almost bought it, until I read the several reviews that accompanied the UA-cam video for doing the upgrade. Do you have any experience or knowledge about the upgrade and whether it’s really worth doing? One person didn’t see much difference after the upgrade, and another thought their 3300 was better before the upgrade! Your thoughts? Thanks for your help.
Ross
I'm like you and have been on the fence with the upgrade and just can't pull the trigger. The deal is you'll got no additional air movement from a single hose. The advantage is you can leave hoses connected to up to three tools and all three will draw as much air and dust as a single hose on the DC3300. That would bring some advantages, but is that juice worth the squeeze?
oops! Virginia was incorrect!
Ha!
So many tools I wished I owned. Great info, thank you again Scott!
I have several of these machines, a Sawsmith 2000, Sawsmith RAS, Joint-Matic, and Teal Blue Scroll Saw. When I first got a Shopsmith it was a great space saver but with half a garage unused I soon had a second one. Now with more space available I don't mind having a lot of machines. Shopsmiths are not just for saving space, they're all great tools for each of their functions in their own right.
I think shop smith could crush the stand alone
I agree. They just need to not get fancy with it. Their Sawsmith 2000 table saw, for example, was an example of them trying to be more than they needed to, and it fell flat.
@@MyGrowthRings exactly. Their name especially in this age of essentially throw away tools still represents American made quality Craftsman used to have that badge and they went to trash trying to overdo. But I would have absolute faith buying any tool with the shopsmith badge and I've never in my life owned one.. I'm about to pick up one for the lathe function mostly and it will be my first personal use machine I've owned from them. But I think they would absolutely crush the bench top electric tool game.
I almost got taken by a guy three days ago presenting a wood master as a shop smith special edition. If it wasn't for your video explaining the 1 1/8 and then 2 hp motors I wouldn't have questioned it because I'm not a SS owner and boy oh boy did it look alike. Thankfully I just so happened to notice it had a 1.5 hp motor and asked someone may have been you and told what it actually was
my first radial arm saw was 8". A friend of mine had 24" and 36" to do beams for wooden structures
Delta (Milwaukee) used to make a couple of combo table saw, jointer machines. Their version used a tilt top saw (I have seen both 9-inch and 10-inch versions) and either a 4-inch or 6-inch jointer. I have two of their "tilty" table saws in the garage for future restoration.
Yes, I almost mentioned the Delta-Shop line, but decided to keep this to Shopsmith products. Delta made a couple attempts to combat the Shopsmith line, including a silly contraption that bolted a drill press to the saw table and ran a belt from the saw arbor to the quill.
As usual, another great video! Nice review of Shopsmith's history. At some point would you review the different locations of Shopsmith? I've worked on a variety of units which list different locations including Menlo Park California, Vandalia, Pitt City and Dayton.
Another question regarding your analytics, if we don't watch the "credits" at the end , how much "credit" do you get? I paused today's video to write a comment, then remembered that you or Tom mentioned something about how google "scores" you. Thanks, Jim
Hey Jim. That might be an interesting topic. I'll have to mull that over. BTW, it's "Tipp City", which was named after Ol' Tippecanoe. As for UA-cam watch time, the biggest problem I have is all on me, which is if people don't watch to the end there's no opportunity to entice them to watch more, as UA-cam won't display what they call Title Cards until the last ten seconds of the video. It's something I need to get serious about.
I have the ProPlaner, the JointMatic and (yet to be cleaned and put together) the scroll saw. Cool tools fer sure.👍👍