Being a female INTJ is one of the loneliest! I do not have many people that I may speak to about the ideas I have, Therefore I am starting an INTJ group.Hopefully Any other INTJ's out there can connect and share ideas and theologies.
Jasmine Arthouse7 Hi. I am an INTJ and I thought I was just shy. Shyness doesn't always apply to me. How can I connect with you. I would love to see your UA-cam Videos. Yes we are a lonely lot as INTJ women and I am seen as selfish, difficult, reserved, quiet and unpopular. However, I am self confident and love myself after asking why anyways. Peace!
Jasmine Arthouse7 That's not just being a female, try talking to your average Joe about anything other than sports and it will quickly turn into a one sided conversation, at least in my experience.
on my next job interview when my employer say "so, tell me about yourself" i will say "hold on" then send him/her this video to avoid small talks. I'm here to work, not make friends.
One of the toughest lessons to learn as an INTJ is the necessity of adhering to the chain of command in an organisation. One day, you might find yourself at the top of that chain, but for now, it's probably best to keep your head down, do what needs to be done and not be too much of a maverick.
I'm barely capable of engaging in small talk. It always sounds so awkward, forced, and almost desperate. Other people can chat about nothing for hours. wtf Now if a complete stranger wants to talk about theoretical magnetic propulsion drives, I can dive right in.
@Noa She only engages in small talks with me though, I realized that she communicates pretty objectively with everyone else, except me. She was pretty unfriendly and didn't talk to me during the first 2 weeks of knowing her though, hahahha.
I absolutely REALLY need to know the why behind things. I really piss some people off when I ask though. I have a hard time figuring out when I CAN ask why and when I shouldn’t.
I have a few people who I like but they also have a warped sense of humor, are also moderately intelligent and like sarcasm. I try to be very nice, treat people with respect but when people don't reciprocate or are just rude it tries my patience. I want to unleash my sarcasm but it usually just makes the situation worse, so I hold my tongue and roll my eyes so hard that I have given myself a concussion. There are many days that I just don't want to deal with people because people just don't think any more.
I had a great best friend and roommate for two years. He was an INTJ, I am an INFJ. Both of our introverted intuitions caused us to become great friends because I could follow his train of thought, and he mine. He was never one to let me in, but as we got deeper, he would show some signs of, what others would call, sincerity. For instance, I remember when his grandfather died, I was very much asking him if he needed anything, especially when I saw him in sad states. When something similar came up in my life, he didn't offer any condolences. As time went on, he got more comfortable asking me "Is there anything I can do?" but sadly the friendship ended soon after we graduated college. Sad times. This video is great in detailing what an INTJ is. Sounds a lot like my former best friend.
He didn't offer any condolences because he couldn't do anything practical to fix the underlying cause of your life crisis, and anything less would be meaningless. He would empathise, but see condolences more as a way of supporting the offerer's image rather than as support for the one experiencing the crisis. That's my guess, as an INTJ.
FYI, I would have expressed my condolences, but that's because I've been working on these things you humans call 'social skills', as they're clearly a prerequisite for functioning within society. It's funny, because it's true... ^^
Thank you for your insight. It does help a lot. I think much on his side, he started offering anything he was able to despite him not being able to do anything, if that makes any sense? For instance, he started offering to chat, etc, even though him chatting would not fix the problem. I know INTJ's are very good at knowing what they can and cannot do, and will let you know if they are unable to perform a certain task. But at least he tried. He still wouldn't let me in, but sometimes he would let himself open to see how I would react, and I would affirm him being vulnerable with me and tell him I appreciated his bravery. In the end though, I had to end the friendship. Don't regret having him as a friend though.
Salafrance When you say "a way of supporting the offerer's image rather than as support for the one experiencing the crisis", are you saying he offered condolences for his own sake rather than for me?
Why we hate small talk? it's fucking pointless and most people think their lives are interesting (oh I went to X, I did Y during vacation, etc), but they're probably as interesting as staring at a wall. NOBODY CARES about your life, unless you're doing something innovative. There, I said it.
+Andrew Michael My Grandma is an ESFJ person and she wants to talk to me ALL THE TIME and about EVERY LITTLE THING! But I nod politely and listen because its Grandma and I love her lol
+Andrew Michael I dont hate small talk. its how you get to know people. its interesting putting these little small details that you can gather from their everyday lives to create a greater understanding of that person.
+Andrew Michael Exactly. An INTJ doesn't care about anyone's life. The only time they listen is for an agenda, for a purpose. Efficiency is of the essence. Btw, an INTJ here.
Yes, exactly. I just went through this at my last job. The company's processes were flawed, unnecessary complexities that add no value, and the list goes on. I lost all motiviation and practically shutdown. Diametrically opposed. Ahhhhh....the blessings and curses of being an INTJ which can lead to a very frustrating life.
INTJ engineer here. just got my first job on my first interview. for interviews just be honest. as INTJs this will come easy. you dont have to ace every question. but if you seem dishonest on just 1 that will blow it. be yourself. you know you are the best
Agreed. I've never had any issues with interviews. It's just getting to the interview stage that's sometimes difficult. Making my resume is an utterly miserable experience. And I hate that resume styles have changed over time, so that I have to completely rewrite the same information that I hated writing the first time around.
Great comment! I was working with a dominant ST organization recently and they had the hardest time understanding that N's need to know the "why", not because they obstinate (or at least not in the current situation), but they want to know how it impacts the whole. N's like alignment of personal and organizational goals.
Yeah. Why is really important. Sometimes things that seem like a stupid waste of time have a perfectly good reason for existing. But if you don't understand it, you're likely to 1) forget to do it, 2) do it wrong, 3) be unhappy with your job making you do a stupid thing. But if you understand it, not only are you likely to remember, do it well, and be happy, but you may come up with a better way to reach the goal of the seemingly stupid process, saving time and making everyone else happier.
No small talk and I definitely don't like it at work. Almost all of my conversations are work related and I don't care for close-by management. Feels great understanding why I think the way I do and it makes me kind of proud!
Maybe because we always live inside our mind and have our own privacy. I certainly will answer "Yes, pretty good" everytime when someone asks "How's your work going". Maybe we are pretty tired and wanted to be alone and don't like this small talks that goes nowhere. I go to work because I want to chase my ambition, but I don't often talk about my work, nor ambition because I am always afraid of people judging our work, I hate when people wants to correct my life, I am doing fine on my own anyway
-Original minds -indipendent and skeptical -High standard -visionary -hard getting started -not small talk -they ask question: why? -challenge the status quo -selective -stubborn
People consider me a dick just because of my personality, really I'm just seeking what's important. Not insignificant things that have no long-term effects.
I tested as a very strong INTJ but, I chit chat a lot. I’m not disagreeing with you. Here’s why: Boredom. When I’m at work, I’m working on someone else’s dream or plan. Other than the job supporting what I want to personally accomplish through paying me, I don’t care. Particularly the way a lot of offices are run, 40 hours+/week is just a huge waste of time, except for the fact that they’re paying me. It’s often as if they’re paying people to atrophy, mentality and physically. So, I’ll shoot the shit all the time, find any topic or pull out any joke and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with wanting to be with people or getting energy from being with people as, I don’t. It has to do with being stuck there and, like on other jobs I’ve had, when it’s time to go, I don’t spend a ton of time with goodbyes and farewell lunches. I have a lot of time to make up for so, it’s time to bolt. One guy called me a high functioning introvert and he’s correct. I like people in small bits and pieces. If I had more control over my life, o probably wouldn’t see people more than 3-4 times per year. So a 5 day workweek for me is pure insanity. My guess is that I would NEVER be recognized as an INTJ, particularly as I’m a black woman. But, yep, I am and I the only part about it that I feel bad about is that it always makes me feel as if my time is being wasted with others, when I’m more productive alone.
This only applies if we like the job. I don't like my current job, so I do the absolute bare minimum and focus on better things like how, in the future, to make better use of my time (ie. thinking of a better way of making a living for myself/ envisioning a system where people get to contribute to society in a way they find rewarding).
Hi Andrew! First and foremost thank you for your service to our country! The military is very much an STJ organization. STJ individuals/organizations are big on procedures and resistant to change. You could inquire about the best way to gain influence, but typically the response has something to do with following through with one's responsibilities. Influence and respect with STJ's is a long run game.
You are teaching people how to get information out of me. If I think you are a person that has hard time grasping simple concept, I feel that I'm only going to waste my time; were I could have focus that time on learning or using that time for better use.
Yes, it is! It was nice to know that there are more people like me, who ask: WHY? Why is this meaningful? Why is this useful? Why are we doing *this* and not *that*? Once you are aware of your natural tendencies, you can work with them, and improve your deficiencies. I've made a real, concerted effort to be more warm, open, and willing to show my feelings - but it's hard. It doesn't come naturally - so I have to work at it...with that INTJ perfectionism! lol!
This is so true, unfortunately I am in the military (Enlisted / Marine Corps) so when I see something wrong or inefficient I try to change it and it usually gets me yelled at. I do not mind getting yelled at for doing something I think is right, but I am more suited to be an officer than an enlistee and in the Air Force over the Marine Corps.
Good question...one "a-ha" I hear from INTJs is when they recognize how differently they see the world from others. Only 3.6% (latest data) of the population in the U.S. are INTJs. So, INTJs need to understand that their sarcastic humor is not shared by others. Other types don't enjoy debating and/or critiquing. Tempering those characteristics and inquiring about feelings and emotions is a start to increasing better communication with others.
Another Thing I Noticed About The INTJs In The Comment Section Is We All Have Little To No Grammatical Errors In Our Sentences, Or/And Feel The Need To Write Coherent Sentences At All Times.
Definitely agree about "why" questions. If you tell me to do so because "I said so" or "It's company policy" (which is just another version of "I said so"), I'm going to be very unhappy, and inclined to not do the thing or otherwise lazy about it, because it's apparently unimportant, and I could save time if I didn't have to do it. If you tell me something like "Always put warning comments in the upper right-hand side of the paperwork because sometimes our workers don't have much time to read all of the paperwork before they're handed a dangerous item, and by putting the label always in the same place, they always know where to look and can quickly glance at it and know if there's any warning attached immediately as they receive the package" then I understand that this is an important part of the job that will help the rest of the team. (I used an example of something I had no problem with and divined the purpose of on my own from company policy, while my ESFJ boss was letting people put warnings where ever they felt like it -- on the bottom of the page, on the back of the fricking document where no one in a hurry is looking. It was a major bone of contention. I tried explaining to her why it was important to get everyone trained to follow the very sensible company policy, and she just did not seem to get it, insisting that it was up to us to read all the paperwork, something employees could not always do immediately, as sometimes we got passed a dangerous item and paperwork at the same time, and needed to isolate the item first before we could really get into reading the paperwork. Verbally passing on vital information should also have been SOP for employee safety, but, again, ESFJ insisted employees should be able to stand there juggling dangerous item and paper while reading in the middle of an active hallway. Let me add that "package" is a metaphor, and the packages were actually alive and not inclined to be still). If the INTJ understands the reason for the rules, and agrees with them (because I don't like myself or my coworkers being hurt), they can actually be a champion for the rules. But if you don't give them the background information when there's good reasoning, they can be the worst rebel.
0:44 Speaker says "...that introverted thinking part of them..."; but INTJ has extroverted thinking (auxiliary Te in function stack). Nitpick aside, this is an accurate and succinct portrayal of an INTJ. If only workplaces would be more accommodating to our type.
since communication is supposed to be shared, we INTJs have an adaption we need to consider and that involves the dreaded small talk , try to find out one thing about each person that you have to interact with and use it to HUMANIZE the individual rather than assigning them to the vast unknown collective of sheeple, this will make them feel understood and keep you from appearing overly dour, this equation helps workplace interactions transact more smoothly (though not perfectly) and sometimes just getting the job done works so much easier when the surroundings have sense of belonging
im an ENFP, i was dating an INTJ, but he always works, and doesnt want to talk much. We have dated 4 times in the course of 1.5 months. but I was thinking it's good for a relation if we can communicate more, or at least let each other know the feelings, expectations. But he never says much about his plan. And ocasionally he would want to meet , but that's like every 2 weeks or longer. Everyday if I try to txt him, he is not really happy. I once told him if we are still in the process of developing something at least let me know if my time spent is worth it. If he has to work late at least he can let me know before the usual end of work hour. But he never does that. ... I don't know if I'm really that much of a trouble, or he is simply not interested, (he didn't delete me or block me, although he expressed he was not happy when I tried to talk to him by the end of the day if he didnt say anything) The thing is the previous day he would be talking, and throw some fragmented message when it was very late, like 'Im hungry'. (nothing to do with wealth). But when I replied in the middle of the night, he didn't reply by the end of the next day...
Just to have a chat. I'm a INTJ-T. I really got trouble with narcissism and when i strongly believe in something then i cant let go easily. I question myself when i'm wrong at most of the times. Most of my friends now are girls. i'm a boy. I'm friends with girls because they are calm and they have the same interests like mine. Art, games, cartoons and theories.
+casemonsterxxx so is that how an INTJ approaches opposition? With blanketed rapid fire feeble attempts to insult others? It's amazing how so many grab to the label without exhibiting the characteristics.
Hi Roenie1! Great question! Not sure if you're talking career vs. legacy (or both) but narrowing the scope small enough to see that your efforts are making an immediate impact is one way around feeling stuck/apathy. Keep in mind that INTJs have high standards for organizations and leadership and that can be a large source of frustration. You may want to pursue a passion on an entrepreneurial or small organization level. Feel free to email to keep this convo going. Thanks!
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I want these female INTJs in this comments section so much in real life... Seriously.
Love the info in this video! The traits here are similar to the DISC assessment for careers. Regarding this, I tested as a "C" aka Compliant, which is similar to INTJ. You all should check it out!
Everyone Introverts and Extroverts, what makes you one or the other is your 1st function. The 2nd is always opposite the 1st, referring to I and E Introverted Thinking (Ti) - Thinks internally, non-confrontational, inductive logic, organizing ideas, detached. Extroverted Thinking (Te) - Thinks out loud, pragmatic, confrontational, needs objective proof, deductive logic. DaveSuperPowers talks about this on his videos. If it's something that interests you, definitely watch eveything he's got.
'The internal consistency of the four MBTI scales is quite high in all samples available to date...' p. 165, MBTI Manual, 3rd edition (including Corrected Form G and Form M instrument data). These studies include all people in the test provider's (CAPT) databank (32,671). Citing 12 studies: "in sum, when the exploratory and confirmatory factor analytic results are viewed together, there is strong support for the construct validity of the MBTI tool." 48 pages of validity studies in the book.
Check the functions, cause that's what it's all about. An INTJ's first function is Introverted Intuition, which makes them an Introvert. Second function is Extroverted Thinking. Third, Introverted Feeling. Fourth, Extroverted Sensing. Do your own research, but this is true MBTI. UA-cam (DaveSuperPowers), he's quite keen on this subject.
Davesuperpowers is wrong when he describes INTJs that way, Ti doesn't mean internal thinking and Te doesn't mean out loud thing thinking, read an extract from Jung himself and you'll know. Actually Ti (& introverted function in general) means that the thinking is "subjective" and excluded from objective reality.In doing so Ti gains order and direction. Whilst Te (and E funcs in general) instead means that the thinking seeks answers in objective reality but on the downside it lacks direction.
The worst is when someone wants to start a full on this could go on for hours talk when your on your way out a door. Ive hanging half way out a door and the person still wouldnt shut up but yet spent the 2 hours befor hand not sayin shit like they was waitin. My wife has a thing for doing this witch turns a 2 min trip to the store into a 3 + hour nature walk through the woods because i still cant figure out why someone would do that shit. WTF is the pourpus of this. It gets under my skin so bad that just typing it is pissing me off. So on to the next video
i wanna know what INTJs think of ENFPs. i have an INTJs friend and he doesn't really care with my disturbance. what do you think about us, ENFPs? pleaseee i wanna know, because i have heard that an ENFPs and INTJs ia a good partner(?)
The Forer Effect is a sound theory - yet can it apply to a specific description of preferences that would be mutually exclusive from preferences of, for example, someone whose answers scored as ENFJ? In fact, the reliability of the MBTI is close to .8, and validity is about the same. It's an accurate test. That doesn't mean that the tests, and the explanation of the theory, given by the high majority of sources is not complete crap. I know of one source of the validated MBTI instrument.
Okay. I misunderstood. I assumed Introverted applied to all functions (as an introverted person), but I see that is wrong. What difference is there between Extroverted and Introverted thinking?
That's why I get confused with INTP. Go and look to the same person who talked about INTP communication style and you'll find there are quite a lot of similarities in between. If anyone found any distinctions please let me know.
Look into the cognitive functions of INTPs and INTJs, you'll notice ALL the cognitive functions are the complete opposite. INTP has Ti->Ne->Si->Fe where INTJ has Ni->Te->Fi->Se, notice none of the 4 functions match. Kind of a shock because INTPs and INTJs share 3 of the same letters but there functions are completely reversed. Also don't look too much into the letters, the real personality is in these functions, why because everyone can think, feel, have intuition etc. Its all in the functions.
Do not be pushy with your ideas of beliefs with an INTJ... that's not going to go over well. As an INTJ when I am being pushed into doing something I haven't had time to think about it feels like a personal attack and I can verbally go for the person's jugular. Respect the INTJ enough to give them time to think things through probably and allow them to be in control of their own things... they will really appreciate you for it.
This is why I hate group projects with a passion. I'm there to work and get it done but people waste a lot of time chatting and "getting to know each other". Why? Just come up with some plan and let's get it done! It's not like we will become friends and hang out after this!! Also, people who overshare at the work place.... Like, I'm sorry Sharon you have anxiety and your son pees his bed but I've only been here one week and I'm not here for your talking.
Did you listen people? Don't take personal their criticism, they are just trying to improve work and excellence into whatever they are working on jajaja, at last, someone who gets me jajaja
I'm 15 years old and I am INTJ and man, with everything I know now, I could be your next president, everybody thinks that I have the mind of a teen but the truth is that I control my enviroment, I'm mexican and I can speak english and french, I know about astronomy and matemathics, I learn my rights and cultures of all the world, I love control, I just love learning and my next step is be president of my country and make it better
You should have scored higher on your aptitude tests if you wanted an officer position. I was offered a starting job as Marine Officer but turned down the military for my own selfish plans.
Since I've discovered I'm an INTJ, all the reading I've done is spot on and accurate. I can now inform everyone I'm not a psychopath.
that's so true bruh!
Just tell them to get to the fucking point.
Ya okay. You evil villain you...
Love your comment, I wouldn’t say it better.
Ronald Richardson Lol I am not alone!
Being a female INTJ is one of the loneliest! I do not have many people that I may speak to about the ideas I have, Therefore I am starting an INTJ group.Hopefully Any other INTJ's out there can connect and share ideas and theologies.
Well female INTJS are far more rare than male INTJS so expect to have a lot more males than females.
Yes. Are you a INTJ as well?
Yes.
Jasmine Arthouse7 Hi. I am an INTJ and I thought I was just shy. Shyness doesn't always apply to me. How can I connect with you. I would love to see your UA-cam Videos. Yes we are a lonely lot as INTJ women and I am seen as selfish, difficult, reserved, quiet and unpopular. However, I am self confident and love myself after asking why anyways. Peace!
Jasmine Arthouse7 That's not just being a female, try talking to your average Joe about anything other than sports and it will quickly turn into a one sided conversation, at least in my experience.
The "when committed " is spot on.
on my next job interview when my employer say "so, tell me about yourself" i will say "hold on" then send him/her this video to avoid small talks. I'm here to work, not make friends.
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One of the toughest lessons to learn as an INTJ is the necessity of adhering to the chain of command in an organisation. One day, you might find yourself at the top of that chain, but for now, it's probably best to keep your head down, do what needs to be done and not be too much of a maverick.
wellsey89 always been an issue for me..... 😊
Well said tho
It's not like I hate small talk, I just cannot comprehend it
that's why i hate it!
I'm barely capable of engaging in small talk. It always sounds so awkward, forced, and almost desperate.
Other people can chat about nothing for hours. wtf
Now if a complete stranger wants to talk about theoretical magnetic propulsion drives, I can dive right in.
I find it uncomfortable, it makes my mind short-circuit. Oh wait a standardized response is needed not an actual answer to how I am doing.
I know of this INTJ who always engages in small talks with me.
@Noa She only engages in small talks with me though, I realized that she communicates pretty objectively with everyone else, except me. She was pretty unfriendly and didn't talk to me during the first 2 weeks of knowing her though, hahahha.
I absolutely REALLY need to know the why behind things. I really piss some people off when I ask though. I have a hard time figuring out when I CAN ask why and when I shouldn’t.
It has been my experience thatbmost people generally hate my guts, now I know why.
I Bramblebush they hate us cuz they aint us
I Bramblebush yeah, I thought I'm insecure that's why I was very blunt and arrogant. Now, I know why.
Jimmy crack corn. Do you care?
I have a few people who I like but they also have a warped sense of humor, are also moderately intelligent and like sarcasm. I try to be very nice, treat people with respect but when people don't reciprocate or are just rude it tries my patience. I want to unleash my sarcasm but it usually just makes the situation worse, so I hold my tongue and roll my eyes so hard that I have given myself a concussion. There are many days that I just don't want to deal with people because people just don't think any more.
I had a great best friend and roommate for two years. He was an INTJ, I am an INFJ. Both of our introverted intuitions caused us to become great friends because I could follow his train of thought, and he mine. He was never one to let me in, but as we got deeper, he would show some signs of, what others would call, sincerity. For instance, I remember when his grandfather died, I was very much asking him if he needed anything, especially when I saw him in sad states. When something similar came up in my life, he didn't offer any condolences. As time went on, he got more comfortable asking me "Is there anything I can do?" but sadly the friendship ended soon after we graduated college. Sad times. This video is great in detailing what an INTJ is. Sounds a lot like my former best friend.
Thanks for the post and insights, Zachary!
He didn't offer any condolences because he couldn't do anything practical to fix the underlying cause of your life crisis, and anything less would be meaningless. He would empathise, but see condolences more as a way of supporting the offerer's image rather than as support for the one experiencing the crisis.
That's my guess, as an INTJ.
FYI, I would have expressed my condolences, but that's because I've been working on these things you humans call 'social skills', as they're clearly a prerequisite for functioning within society.
It's funny, because it's true...
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Thank you for your insight. It does help a lot. I think much on his side, he started offering anything he was able to despite him not being able to do anything, if that makes any sense? For instance, he started offering to chat, etc, even though him chatting would not fix the problem. I know INTJ's are very good at knowing what they can and cannot do, and will let you know if they are unable to perform a certain task. But at least he tried. He still wouldn't let me in, but sometimes he would let himself open to see how I would react, and I would affirm him being vulnerable with me and tell him I appreciated his bravery. In the end though, I had to end the friendship. Don't regret having him as a friend though.
Salafrance When you say "a way of supporting the offerer's image rather than as support for the one experiencing the crisis", are you saying he offered condolences for his own sake rather than for me?
i talk only when logic and interest exist . female intj .
But when you're alone, hungry, tired and horny, all logic is divorced....just until you're gratified of course.
I am INTJ, and this video describes me perfectly. It's interesting how accurate the MBTI test really is.
Why we hate small talk? it's fucking pointless and most people think their lives are interesting (oh I went to X, I did Y during vacation, etc), but they're probably as interesting as staring at a wall. NOBODY CARES about your life, unless you're doing something innovative.
There, I said it.
Andrew Michael
That's why i stopped following most of the people on my facebook lol
awakaraga The best part about facebook are new baby pictures.
+Andrew Michael My Grandma is an ESFJ person and she wants to talk to me ALL THE TIME and about EVERY LITTLE THING! But I nod politely and listen because its Grandma and I love her lol
+Andrew Michael I dont hate small talk. its how you get to know people. its interesting putting these little small details that you can gather from their everyday lives to create a greater understanding of that person.
+Andrew Michael Exactly. An INTJ doesn't care about anyone's life. The only time they listen is for an agenda, for a purpose. Efficiency is of the essence.
Btw, an INTJ here.
I just got called “cold, calculating, and ridden with hubris”. I suppose I must be on the right track.
Yes, exactly. I just went through this at my last job. The company's processes were flawed, unnecessary complexities that add no value, and the list goes on. I lost all motiviation and practically shutdown. Diametrically opposed. Ahhhhh....the blessings and curses of being an INTJ which can lead to a very frustrating life.
INTJ engineer here. just got my first job on my first interview. for interviews just be honest. as INTJs this will come easy. you dont have to ace every question. but if you seem dishonest on just 1 that will blow it. be yourself. you know you are the best
Agreed. I've never had any issues with interviews. It's just getting to the interview stage that's sometimes difficult. Making my resume is an utterly miserable experience. And I hate that resume styles have changed over time, so that I have to completely rewrite the same information that I hated writing the first time around.
90% of the people watching this are INTJs.
Fropps No shit, Sherlock.
Nope.im sn ENFJ snooping around tryng to understand YOU.
Prove it. 🤣
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Great comment! I was working with a dominant ST organization recently and they had the hardest time understanding that N's need to know the "why", not because they obstinate (or at least not in the current situation), but they want to know how it impacts the whole. N's like alignment of personal and organizational goals.
Yeah. Why is really important.
Sometimes things that seem like a stupid waste of time have a perfectly good reason for existing. But if you don't understand it, you're likely to 1) forget to do it, 2) do it wrong, 3) be unhappy with your job making you do a stupid thing. But if you understand it, not only are you likely to remember, do it well, and be happy, but you may come up with a better way to reach the goal of the seemingly stupid process, saving time and making everyone else happier.
I like your explanation 👍🏽 this is good for the boss to get to know their employees..
No small talk and I definitely don't like it at work. Almost all of my conversations are work related and I don't care for close-by management. Feels great understanding why I think the way I do and it makes me kind of proud!
Maybe because we always live inside our mind and have our own privacy. I certainly will answer "Yes, pretty good" everytime when someone asks "How's your work going". Maybe we are pretty tired and wanted to be alone and don't like this small talks that goes nowhere. I go to work because I want to chase my ambition, but I don't often talk about my work, nor ambition because I am always afraid of people judging our work, I hate when people wants to correct my life, I am doing fine on my own anyway
-Original minds
-indipendent and skeptical
-High standard
-visionary
-hard getting started
-not small talk
-they ask question: why?
-challenge the status quo
-selective
-stubborn
People consider me a dick just because of my personality, really I'm just seeking what's important. Not insignificant things that have no long-term effects.
Answer: short, sharp & to the point.
I tested as a very strong INTJ but, I chit chat a lot. I’m not disagreeing with you. Here’s why:
Boredom. When I’m at work, I’m working on someone else’s dream or plan. Other than the job supporting what I want to personally accomplish through paying me, I don’t care. Particularly the way a lot of offices are run, 40 hours+/week is just a huge waste of time, except for the fact that they’re paying me. It’s often as if they’re paying people to atrophy, mentality and physically. So, I’ll shoot the shit all the time, find any topic or pull out any joke and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with wanting to be with people or getting energy from being with people as, I don’t. It has to do with being stuck there and, like on other jobs I’ve had, when it’s time to go, I don’t spend a ton of time with goodbyes and farewell lunches. I have a lot of time to make up for so, it’s time to bolt. One guy called me a high functioning introvert and he’s correct. I like people in small bits and pieces. If I had more control over my life, o probably wouldn’t see people more than 3-4 times per year. So a 5 day workweek for me is pure insanity. My guess is that I would NEVER be recognized as an INTJ, particularly as I’m a black woman. But, yep, I am and I the only part about it that I feel bad about is that it always makes me feel as if my time is being wasted with others, when I’m more productive alone.
This only applies if we like the job. I don't like my current job, so I do the absolute bare minimum and focus on better things like how, in the future, to make better use of my time (ie. thinking of a better way of making a living for myself/ envisioning a system where people get to contribute to society in a way they find rewarding).
Hi Andrew! First and foremost thank you for your service to our country! The military is very much an STJ organization. STJ individuals/organizations are big on procedures and resistant to change. You could inquire about the best way to gain influence, but typically the response has something to do with following through with one's responsibilities. Influence and respect with STJ's is a long run game.
Written like a true INTJ! : )
You are teaching people how to get information out of me. If I think you are a person that has hard time grasping simple concept, I feel that I'm only going to waste my time; were I could have focus that time on learning or using that time for better use.
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Yes...let them work! They need to get things done.
On point sir, preach about them INTJs. It help me see and understand how I react and why I do react in certain scenarios...💭🚶💡
Yes, it is! It was nice to know that there are more people like me, who ask: WHY? Why is this meaningful? Why is this useful? Why are we doing *this* and not *that*?
Once you are aware of your natural tendencies, you can work with them, and improve your deficiencies. I've made a real, concerted effort to be more warm, open, and willing to show my feelings - but it's hard. It doesn't come naturally - so I have to work at it...with that INTJ perfectionism! lol!
This is so true, unfortunately I am in the military (Enlisted / Marine Corps) so when I see something wrong or inefficient I try to change it and it usually gets me yelled at. I do not mind getting yelled at for doing something I think is right, but I am more suited to be an officer than an enlistee and in the Air Force over the Marine Corps.
Andria Houston same here I'm in USMC looking at getting a commission
all the intj should come together and take over the world.
Well said! The ability to be introspective is an interesting idea when it comes to discovering one's "true type".
Good question...one "a-ha" I hear from INTJs is when they recognize how differently they see the world from others. Only 3.6% (latest data) of the population in the U.S. are INTJs. So, INTJs need to understand that their sarcastic humor is not shared by others. Other types don't enjoy debating and/or critiquing. Tempering those characteristics and inquiring about feelings and emotions is a start to increasing better communication with others.
Yes the teacher I have in RT 220 always has her phone going off and it knocks my concentration off every time.
Another Thing I Noticed About The INTJs In The Comment Section Is We All Have Little To No Grammatical Errors In Our Sentences, Or/And Feel The Need To Write Coherent Sentences At All Times.
Yeah But We Usually Don't Write Like This Though.
Caffé Mocca But I Like Title Case. Every Word Is Equally Important, Even The Li’l Ones
Any INTJ still interested in a common group for our types ? Suggestions are welcomed as well.
Definitely agree about "why" questions.
If you tell me to do so because "I said so" or "It's company policy" (which is just another version of "I said so"), I'm going to be very unhappy, and inclined to not do the thing or otherwise lazy about it, because it's apparently unimportant, and I could save time if I didn't have to do it.
If you tell me something like "Always put warning comments in the upper right-hand side of the paperwork because sometimes our workers don't have much time to read all of the paperwork before they're handed a dangerous item, and by putting the label always in the same place, they always know where to look and can quickly glance at it and know if there's any warning attached immediately as they receive the package" then I understand that this is an important part of the job that will help the rest of the team. (I used an example of something I had no problem with and divined the purpose of on my own from company policy, while my ESFJ boss was letting people put warnings where ever they felt like it -- on the bottom of the page, on the back of the fricking document where no one in a hurry is looking. It was a major bone of contention. I tried explaining to her why it was important to get everyone trained to follow the very sensible company policy, and she just did not seem to get it, insisting that it was up to us to read all the paperwork, something employees could not always do immediately, as sometimes we got passed a dangerous item and paperwork at the same time, and needed to isolate the item first before we could really get into reading the paperwork. Verbally passing on vital information should also have been SOP for employee safety, but, again, ESFJ insisted employees should be able to stand there juggling dangerous item and paper while reading in the middle of an active hallway. Let me add that "package" is a metaphor, and the packages were actually alive and not inclined to be still).
If the INTJ understands the reason for the rules, and agrees with them (because I don't like myself or my coworkers being hurt), they can actually be a champion for the rules. But if you don't give them the background information when there's good reasoning, they can be the worst rebel.
0:44 Speaker says "...that introverted thinking part of them..."; but INTJ has extroverted thinking (auxiliary Te in function stack). Nitpick aside, this is an accurate and succinct portrayal of an INTJ. If only workplaces would be more accommodating to our type.
All types use all functions. Introverted thinking is our 6th function. I think he actually meant Introverted thinking.
since communication is supposed to be shared, we INTJs have an adaption we need to consider and that involves the dreaded small talk , try to find out one thing about each person that you have to interact with and use it to HUMANIZE the individual rather than assigning them to the vast unknown collective of sheeple, this will make them feel understood and keep you from appearing overly dour, this equation helps workplace interactions transact more smoothly (though not perfectly) and sometimes just getting the job done works so much easier when the surroundings have sense of belonging
im an ENFP, i was dating an INTJ, but he always works, and doesnt want to talk much. We have dated 4 times in the course of 1.5 months. but I was thinking it's good for a relation if we can communicate more, or at least let each other know the feelings, expectations. But he never says much about his plan. And ocasionally he would want to meet , but that's like every 2 weeks or longer. Everyday if I try to txt him, he is not really happy. I once told him if we are still in the process of developing something at least let me know if my time spent is worth it. If he has to work late at least he can let me know before the usual end of work hour. But he never does that. ... I don't know if I'm really that much of a trouble, or he is simply not interested, (he didn't delete me or block me, although he expressed he was not happy when I tried to talk to him by the end of the day if he didnt say anything) The thing is the previous day he would be talking, and throw some fragmented message when it was very late, like 'Im hungry'. (nothing to do with wealth). But when I replied in the middle of the night, he didn't reply by the end of the next day...
If only people could listen to this, or anyone but themselves, and get it. It's very simple.
Just to have a chat. I'm a INTJ-T. I really got trouble with narcissism and when i strongly believe in something then i cant let go easily. I question myself when i'm wrong at most of the times. Most of my friends now are girls. i'm a boy. I'm friends with girls because they are calm and they have the same interests like mine. Art, games, cartoons and theories.
Introverted thinking? Thats the intp 0:45
INTJ female here: this is so true! The guy talking on the video PLEASE BE MY BOSS.
It's not that I hate small talk, I just don't give a shit.
Wow so many people here feel so special because of a mere test, so empowered. How cute.
casemonsterxxx Aww did I strike a nerve? There there.
casemonsterxxx "emotionally involved" does the little test make you feel oh so special? Aww, not enough love at home? I understand.
casemonsterxxx Ugh, whatever you say.
+casemonsterxxx so is that how an INTJ approaches opposition? With blanketed rapid fire feeble attempts to insult others? It's amazing how so many grab to the label without exhibiting the characteristics.
you sound nothing like an INTJ
Hi Roenie1! Great question! Not sure if you're talking career vs. legacy (or both) but narrowing the scope small enough to see that your efforts are making an immediate impact is one way around feeling stuck/apathy. Keep in mind that INTJs have high standards for organizations and leadership and that can be a large source of frustration. You may want to pursue a passion on an entrepreneurial or small organization level. Feel free to email to keep this convo going. Thanks!
I want these female INTJs in this comments section so much in real life... Seriously.
Love the info in this video! The traits here are similar to the DISC assessment for careers. Regarding this, I tested as a "C" aka Compliant, which is similar to INTJ. You all should check it out!
Everyone Introverts and Extroverts, what makes you one or the other is your 1st function. The 2nd is always opposite the 1st, referring to I and E
Introverted Thinking (Ti) - Thinks internally, non-confrontational, inductive logic, organizing ideas, detached.
Extroverted Thinking (Te) - Thinks out loud, pragmatic, confrontational, needs objective proof, deductive logic.
DaveSuperPowers talks about this on his videos. If it's something that interests you, definitely watch eveything he's got.
'The internal consistency of the four MBTI scales is quite high in all samples available to date...' p. 165, MBTI Manual, 3rd edition (including Corrected Form G and Form M instrument data). These studies include all people in the test provider's (CAPT) databank (32,671).
Citing 12 studies: "in sum, when the exploratory and confirmatory factor analytic results are viewed together, there is strong support for the construct validity of the MBTI tool."
48 pages of validity studies in the book.
Check the functions, cause that's what it's all about. An INTJ's first function is Introverted Intuition, which makes them an Introvert. Second function is Extroverted Thinking. Third, Introverted Feeling. Fourth, Extroverted Sensing. Do your own research, but this is true MBTI. UA-cam (DaveSuperPowers), he's quite keen on this subject.
Absolutely spot on.
I wanted to listen - then you said "UMM"! DAMNIT
Yeah...I am pretty sure the small talk issue is real
Davesuperpowers is wrong when he describes INTJs that way, Ti doesn't mean internal thinking and Te doesn't mean out loud thing thinking, read an extract from Jung himself and you'll know.
Actually Ti (& introverted function in general) means that the thinking is "subjective" and excluded from objective reality.In doing so Ti gains order and direction. Whilst Te (and E funcs in general) instead means that the thinking seeks answers in objective reality but on the downside it lacks direction.
The worst is when someone wants to start a full on this could go on for hours talk when your on your way out a door. Ive hanging half way out a door and the person still wouldnt shut up but yet spent the 2 hours befor hand not sayin shit like they was waitin. My wife has a thing for doing this witch turns a 2 min trip to the store into a 3 + hour nature walk through the woods because i still cant figure out why someone would do that shit. WTF is the pourpus of this. It gets under my skin so bad that just typing it is pissing me off. So on to the next video
i wanna know what INTJs think of ENFPs. i have an INTJs friend and he doesn't really care with my disturbance. what do you think about us, ENFPs? pleaseee i wanna know, because i have heard that an ENFPs and INTJs ia a good partner(?)
My wife is an ENFP, I think pretty highly of her.
Well said this is exactly who I am!!!!!!
This is the wall of text that drove my reasoning :
psychclassics(dot)yorku(dot)ca(slash)Jung(slash)types (dot) htm
The Forer Effect is a sound theory - yet can it apply to a specific description of preferences that would be mutually exclusive from preferences of, for example, someone whose answers scored as ENFJ?
In fact, the reliability of the MBTI is close to .8, and validity is about the same. It's an accurate test.
That doesn't mean that the tests, and the explanation of the theory, given by the high majority of sources is not complete crap. I know of one source of the validated MBTI instrument.
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He said Introverted Thinking (TI) when INTJ's actually have Extroverted Thinking (TE)
Do you make more observations or judgements?
Completely spot on!
Im intj n i keep asking y with every question that make them think im stubborn
either im high or the way you're talking is hallucinating
Wow! You KNOW INTJ!
Spot on
Okay. I misunderstood. I assumed Introverted applied to all functions (as an introverted person), but I see that is wrong. What difference is there between Extroverted and Introverted thinking?
Some segments in the video are stamped not adjacent to each other
That's why I get confused with INTP. Go and look to the same person who talked about INTP communication style and you'll find there are quite a lot of similarities in between. If anyone found any distinctions please let me know.
Look into the cognitive functions of INTPs and INTJs, you'll notice ALL the cognitive functions are the complete opposite. INTP has Ti->Ne->Si->Fe where INTJ has Ni->Te->Fi->Se, notice none of the 4 functions match. Kind of a shock because INTPs and INTJs share 3 of the same letters but there functions are completely reversed. Also don't look too much into the letters, the real personality is in these functions, why because everyone can think, feel, have intuition etc. Its all in the functions.
Would extroverted thinking require thinking out loud, because it doesn't seem necessary to have that function? Alright, I watch more of his videos.
THIS IS ME!!! I am an INTJ!!!
You make a communication style video of every type. What is your MBTI type, mister Life IQ?
Nice Q
Exactly small talk is not necessary
Do not be pushy with your ideas of beliefs with an INTJ... that's not going to go over well.
As an INTJ when I am being pushed into doing something I haven't had time to think about it feels like a personal attack and I can verbally go for the person's jugular.
Respect the INTJ enough to give them time to think things through probably and allow them to be in control of their own things... they will really appreciate you for it.
This is why I hate group projects with a passion. I'm there to work and get it done but people waste a lot of time chatting and "getting to know each other". Why? Just come up with some plan and let's get it done! It's not like we will become friends and hang out after this!!
Also, people who overshare at the work place.... Like, I'm sorry Sharon you have anxiety and your son pees his bed but I've only been here one week and I'm not here for your talking.
Did you listen people? Don't take personal their criticism, they are just trying to improve work and excellence into whatever they are working on jajaja, at last, someone who gets me jajaja
Not introverted thinking (Ti), but introverted, thinking part as in the INTJ the letters I and T.
I'm 15 years old and I am INTJ and man, with everything I know now, I could be your next president, everybody thinks that I have the mind of a teen but the truth is that I control my enviroment, I'm mexican and I can speak english and french, I know about astronomy and matemathics, I learn my rights and cultures of all the world, I love control, I just love learning and my next step is be president of my country and make it better
thanks dude for understanding me.
Observations are open ended. Judgements are not.
Well said, both Andrew and wellsey89.
Yes yes thats true evrey one hate me when i work with them lol
Communicating with everyone by teaching.
00:43 Te not Ti
Bang on 👍
INTJ's are not Introverted Thinkers, they are Extroverted Thinkers...
Goddamn. Were all these comments written by me?
😂😍 u hit the point
People need to be as educated as this man. Almost every time people treat the INTJ in the wrong manner. Immensely annoying.
can you teach me anything about myself? video sent response
believe me the scores on a test was not the problem.
Very similar to the INFJ communication video
Ok
That helped some
Agreed!
You should have scored higher on your aptitude tests if you wanted an officer position.
I was offered a starting job as Marine Officer but turned down the military for my own selfish plans.
We don't have introverted thinking guy in the blue shirt