I just realised how similar this election was to the 2020 election: - Some people didn’t believe the incumbent was elected legitimately - The incumbent lost the popular vote in both elections he was in. - Both campaigns were very bitter and toxic. - An angry mob stormed a historic building in support of their candidate
@@benjamintillema3572 There’s going to be a rematch. We’re going to witness the first presidential rematch in almost 70 years. It’s gonna get ugly in two years.
In 1811, while Adams was Ambassador to Russia, he was nominated for the Cushing vacancy on the Supreme Court (to replace William Cushing, who died in office the previous year) and he was unanimously confirmed by the Senate! Unfortunately, Adams declined the nomination. That would make an awesome Alternate History thread: Mr. Justice Adams and the Supreme Court 1811-1848
*in trump voice* I love punch! Whenever i see someone with punch i have to stop whatever im doing and i look and I pull out my cup and take some. They let you do it when you’re famous. The left doesn’t want us drinking punch, they don’t like when we drink punch, and that’s why they’re unamerican
Clay hated Andrew Jackson, which is why Quincy Adams won in 1824, perhaps Clay's new party shouldn't be called the Whig Party, but rather the Whaj Party - "We Hate Andrew Jackson"
Corrupt Bargain, presidents son, hated slavery, was against Indian Removal in the South (his homestate removed Indians well before he was born), swam naked in the Potomac, wrote the Monroe Doctrine. Hes a smart guy, and had principles, but an out of touch elitist.
Election rundown: Took place from: Oct. 31-Dec. 2 1828 Turnout: 57.6% (up 30.7% from 1824) Members of the collage: 261 Elec. votes needed to win: 131 Candidates: Jacksonian Party: Former Senator Andrew Jackson from Tennessee. Running Mate: Incumbent VP John C. Calhoun from South Carolina. And Anti-Jacksonian Party: Incumbent John Quincy Adams from Massachusetts. Running Mate: Incumbent Secretary of The Treasury Richard Rush from Pennsylvania. Elec. Votes: Jackson/Calhoun: 178. Adams/Rush: 83 Popular vote: Jackson/Calhoun: 638,348/55.33%. Adams/Rush: 507,440/43.89%. And “Other”: 7,991/0.69% States Carried: Jackson/Calhoun: 15. Adams/Rush: 9 Total Votes: 1,153,779 Fact for the election: Up to that point Andrew Jackson was the oldest president inaugurated.
@@adairbock6737 I think you mean the picture at 0:43. In terms of his clothing it is quite unique for presidential standards. I also thought it was a little unsettling how the painting makes his neck look abnormally long. I always thought something was off about this portrait.
57% of people voted? i don't think that number is possible given women weren't allowed to vote. unless you mean of "eligible voters" but that is a different metric than you were using before.
Apparently not. He's said in the comments of a previous video that it's always been the percentage of the elligible voters. Meaning that it really was just a few percent of the voters who actually voted in the first several elections.
For the John Adams Vs Thomas Jefferson you forgot to mention that Adams and Trump were the only two Presidents who did not attend being alive to their successors inaguration
Wait I'm confused, how did 57% of the population vote? Women still can't vote, and slaves can't vote. Is this 57% of the eligible voting population, or 57% of the total population? In the last videos was it the eligible voting population, total population, or the population of white men over 21?
@@nathanbarth6393 As far as being firebrand populists with a no holds barred personality who attracts both a devoted following and intense hatred, sure. But their political projects are very different to my mind. Maybe there was stronger grounds to argue the case on that front back when Trump was doing stuff like attacking NAFTA in the name of the forgotten man, but that sort of stuff seems to have been almost completely sidelined in favor of Christian nationalist culture war battles.
What a time it would of been to get into the White House before all the background checks to see if you qualify to tour it. Crazy to think you can get approved easier for a passport to travel out of America (Non Travel Visa Countries) than see our nations Capital. Times have really changed.
There is a strong desire to compare this election to the present political situation, but it actually stands out more to me as being the 19th Century equivalent to the election of 1932. Like Herbert Hoover, John Quincy Adams was an erudite man with great worldly experience before entering office but one who had neither the political adroitness nor the grand persona that appealed to the masses. It's often missed that both believed in a fairly active government and were modernizers who embraced the latest in technological innovations in areas such as communication as well as transportation. However, each was widely perceived to be a defender of the reactionary old guard at the expense of the American people and lost by a landslide in their bid for re-election. Their opponents, Andrew Jackson and Franklin Roosevelt, both had the kind of forceful personality along with the ability to connect with voters that they lacked. Each claimed the mantle of the discontented common man against the elite special interests and championed cutting-edge democratic ideas which involved bolstering the power of the executive branch. Ultimately, both in the long run wound up radically transforming the political landscape and character of the country. Donald Trump, whom a lot of people are desperate to frame in a similar light, hasn't even really come close to doing that. The reason not the least of which being that despite his pretensions of giving a voice to the American people, he is far from garnering the clear majority of popular support among them that these other figures attained.
JQ Adams is the first incumbent who had been rejected based on _clear popular will_ - even as defined by the much narrower voting base (when John Adams lost in 1800 popular sentiment was basically unknown).
I would have been frightened by Jackson's mob. Ugh... Call me uptight, but I cringe at large, unruly, smelly crowds... ICK!!!! I guess they would have considered me to be elitist then... Oh well... I am just a dignified, classy lady...
How is it possible that "57.6% of the population" voted? Women and non-white men were still disenfranchised. If you ever redo these videos, or when you make your next one, you should change your language to "57.6% of eligible voters / ___% of the total population voted" and provide context. It's good that you did that in the early videos where you noted that less than 5% of the population were voting!
Both sides are able to see Jackson in their enemies because he solidified the push of the whole political landscape in a new direction both adhere to now. A populist democracy rather than an aristocratic Republic. In that sense the firebrand populists in both parties today owe something to Jacksonian Democracy. He may feel like Trump to many now for some legitimate reasons, but he was indeed also the closest thing you had to a Bernie at that time. Men like John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay certainly weren’t. It just goes to show that interpreting history is hardly as easy as just trying to fully project modern dynamics back onto it. Crazy as it might seem, during that period Trump and Sanders would probably have been viewed as roughly being on the same side of the political aisle.
@@basedgetass1610 I had to stop when you said "Jackson wasn't that bad . . . " The way he spoke to and interacted with people was no different than Trump. Both bullies, both racists, both childish in their social skills . . . . etc.
@@TonysMusic1974 trump is not racist nor childish minor insults are nothing compared to Jackson literally shooting people that offended him sounds like many democrats today tbh but when I said Jackson wasn't that bad I meant as a president he definitely wasn't the worst president contrary to popular belief
@@renegade9777 I'm hopeful about the efforts being taken since 2020 to make the election more secure and reverse some of the rule and procedure changes that happened across many states right before the 2020 election which made it easier to cheat. After what happened in 2020, Republicans will also be closely watching like a hawk for any shenanigans, so it won't be as easy to get away with this time.
Yep. Andrew Jackson, William Jennings Bryan and Bernie Sanders all line up each about a century apart as the insurgent populist outsider who shakes up the Democratic Party, or its predecessor, and whether aware of it or not restored it to its original Jeffersonian spirit of combating economic elites and the party establishment after they had slid into a position of becoming too cozy with each other. Such was the case with the eras of the National Republicans, Bourbon Democrats and New Democrats in each man’s time. As the saying goes, history doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.
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What song is used in this video? and can you send a link to it
@@thejadurant6682 The answer to your question is in the video at 5:13: Schubert - Fantasie in F minor.
Probably that was the first presidential election that used Russia as Ammo for mudslinging.
But not the last
@@bo3inprofilepic292 definitely not the last...
2024 👀
A time honored tradition
No,...Democrats hadn't learned that trick until Obama came along.
2:04 Calhoun looks almost as shocked as I was when I learned he was running with Jackson.
I just realised how similar this election was to the 2020 election:
- Some people didn’t believe the incumbent was elected legitimately
- The incumbent lost the popular vote in both elections he was in.
- Both campaigns were very bitter and toxic.
- An angry mob stormed a historic building in support of their candidate
Just wait for the rematch 😉
@@histochronos
Both of the parties at hand are well into their 70s, there might not be a rematch in two years time.
@@benjamintillema3572 There’s going to be a rematch. We’re going to witness the first presidential rematch in almost 70 years. It’s gonna get ugly in two years.
@@penonpaper3132 11 months till the rematch, better future vs end of the world candidates.
Except the awesome candidate won in 1828.
That picture of Calhoun though 😂 looks like he saw something that shocked the shit out of him 😂😂😂
Hey could you put more laughing emojis, i dont think you put enough
That was his normal facial expression I believe... Smh...
@@pranavar4102 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
2:04 Calhoun saw something he can't unsee.
My teacher keeps assigning your videos(because your so awesome)
Well you're awesome, too. And so is your teacher. :D
When are you gonna do Mr.Obama's election?
I'm doing them in order, so I will get to 2008 and 2012 at the beginning of November.
I wish I had teachers who showed me this.
Your English teacher isn’t too awesome.
In 1811, while Adams was Ambassador to Russia, he was nominated for the Cushing vacancy on the Supreme Court (to replace William Cushing, who died in office the previous year) and he was unanimously confirmed by the Senate! Unfortunately, Adams declined the nomination. That would make an awesome Alternate History thread: Mr. Justice Adams and the Supreme Court 1811-1848
He would have been a judge in United States v. Amistad instead of counsel for the escaped slaves.
2:31 looks like he's gonna cry.
@Tyler Durden Everyone sad back then apparently.
*Fun fact: John Quincy Adams is the only president to have a "Q" in his name
Who also have the highest IQ. Get it? 🤣
oh how these parties have changed
More like switch sides on what they believed.
Perhaps the Washington DC Police could have stopped the vandals if they simply offered them some punch outside the Capitol.
*in trump voice*
I love punch! Whenever i see someone with punch i have to stop whatever im doing and i look and I pull out my cup and take some. They let you do it when you’re famous. The left doesn’t want us drinking punch, they don’t like when we drink punch, and that’s why they’re unamerican
@@sportsnerd100 Look at my big beautiful punch bowl over there.... is it the greatest? Nobody makes punch like me, let me tell you...
Watching this in 2021 and hearing how a mob stormed the White House in 1829... not the last time a mob stormed a federal building in DC! 😂
My thoughts exactly!
And yet 2021 was worse that Pearl Harbor, 9-11, and the booze bucket Pigosi's hangover of 2012.
@@exexpat11 no.
@@fsxb757 it was meant sarcastically. Neither of these storming come CLOSE to the true American tragedies, like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor.
Yes, unhinged leftie nuts stormed it during the Kavanaugh hearings
Your videos are quite great. Keep it up buuuuddy.
+Elijah Olson Thanks Elijah :)
Clay hated Andrew Jackson, which is why Quincy Adams won in 1824, perhaps Clay's new party shouldn't be called the Whig Party, but rather the Whaj Party - "We Hate Andrew Jackson"
No county map? I was looking forward to that part. :(
Darrel Jones there should be
@Oliver Buestan thinl he meant a map that shows who dominated which county.
Probably Jackson
I like John Quincy Adams... He truly wanted to initiate changes to modernize America... I agree with so many of his policies...
Yeah. Personally, he is one of my favorite presidents.
Corrupt Bargain, presidents son, hated slavery, was against Indian Removal in the South (his homestate removed Indians well before he was born), swam naked in the Potomac, wrote the Monroe Doctrine.
Hes a smart guy, and had principles, but an out of touch elitist.
He had an elitist but many of his policies were normalized later or had potential. But Andrew Jackson came along and ended that.
Election rundown:
Took place from: Oct. 31-Dec. 2 1828
Turnout: 57.6% (up 30.7% from 1824)
Members of the collage: 261
Elec. votes needed to win: 131
Candidates: Jacksonian Party: Former Senator Andrew Jackson from Tennessee. Running Mate: Incumbent VP John C. Calhoun from South Carolina.
And Anti-Jacksonian Party: Incumbent John Quincy Adams from Massachusetts. Running Mate: Incumbent Secretary of The Treasury Richard Rush from Pennsylvania.
Elec. Votes: Jackson/Calhoun: 178. Adams/Rush: 83
Popular vote: Jackson/Calhoun: 638,348/55.33%. Adams/Rush: 507,440/43.89%. And “Other”: 7,991/0.69%
States Carried: Jackson/Calhoun: 15. Adams/Rush: 9
Total Votes: 1,153,779
Fact for the election: Up to that point Andrew Jackson was the oldest president inaugurated.
They should make a movie about crazy ass Andrew Jackson with Christopher Walken as the lead!
That's amazing casting!
There was a musical called Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson. It was pretty good.
This was the only presidential election between 1788 and 1852 where none of the major presidential candidates were born in Virginia
I love the sign off buddaaaay!
As a little kid, I thought Andrew Jackson was a vampire...
He is kind of weird looking.
Lol. There’s that painting of him that’s in this video where he has a large red collar, vampire lol.
@@adairbock6737 Plus, he's got oddly lengthy hair and not much of a presidential look.
@@adairbock6737 I think you mean the picture at 0:43. In terms of his clothing it is quite unique for presidential standards. I also thought it was a little unsettling how the painting makes his neck look abnormally long. I always thought something was off about this portrait.
.......and history repeats itself
Why does this seem familiar....
You should start a new series talking about the mid term election. I know it will be long and hard but you can do it.
57% of people voted? i don't think that number is possible given women weren't allowed to vote. unless you mean of "eligible voters" but that is a different metric than you were using before.
Apparently not. He's said in the comments of a previous video that it's always been the percentage of the elligible voters. Meaning that it really was just a few percent of the voters who actually voted in the first several elections.
Good job on this video, I didn't notice the John Calhoun was the VP for two different president.
5:03, what font is that?
Calhoun’s hair makes him look like wormtail from Harry Potter.
Jackson didnt really get his revenge till 1832 when he beat clay personally
For the John Adams Vs Thomas Jefferson you forgot to mention that Adams and Trump were the only two Presidents who did not attend being alive to their successors inaguration
Martin Van Buren and Andrew Johnson didn’t attend
The video was made in 2015. Biden's inauguration was January 20th, 2021.
@@anonrex565 ah thank you
@@S0P2024 no problem
You have that right I was surprised by Trump not going
4:42 imagine if that happened today. That would be awesome.
Elijah Ford not really. It would be a massacre with so many dead
almost did
This aged so well...
uhhhhh
@@josefstalin3394 am I invited?
The background music made it difficult to concentrate on what you were saying.
look at calhoan and Jacksons Hair cool and Adams no
+jjona 21354 Cool hair means electoral win
If we ranked Presidents by their hair, Van Buren would be S tier by far
@@iammrbeat that didn't age well
@@San_Deep2501 in what sense
Imagine being the president, and a bunch of people break into The White House. The only way to lure them back out is Punch?!
That must have been some damn good punch
What’s the background music since I can’t find it or the actual name?
Wait I'm confused, how did 57% of the population vote? Women still can't vote, and slaves can't vote. Is this 57% of the eligible voting population, or 57% of the total population? In the last videos was it the eligible voting population, total population, or the population of white men over 21?
Probably 57% of the population eligible to vote at the time, which were males
This election feels like an anime plot.
Explain.
@@depressednapoleon9745 ultimate revenge for what was “stolen” from him
Reminds me of the capitol being stormed in 2021.
how has that picture of Calhoun not become a "wait, what?" meme?
this look like 2020 all over again.
Love or hate him, Andrew Jackson was a monumental man
And a huge racist.
Jackson was a giant of American history. Calling him a racist is nonsense....he was a man of his times.
@@tek6423
He is responsible for the genocide against Native Americans. Calling him racist is an understatement.
Awesome what song ?
John Crazy Eye Calhoun
The Election of 1800 Part 2
Sounds familiar
Anyone else think Calhoun looks like Andrew Garfield in that painting? I think its the hair.
And I thought 2016 was nasty!
I always thought that Andrew Jackson looks like something out of a movie!
4:20? Jan 6?
No it was a party
Andrew Jackson and Donald Trump are very similar.
I’d say that the contemporaneous Know Nothing movement more than the Jacksonian Revolution reflects the Trump phenomenon.
@@johnweber4577 maybe but there is similar between Trump and Jackson
@@nathanbarth6393 As far as being firebrand populists with a no holds barred personality who attracts both a devoted following and intense hatred, sure. But their political projects are very different to my mind. Maybe there was stronger grounds to argue the case on that front back when Trump was doing stuff like attacking NAFTA in the name of the forgotten man, but that sort of stuff seems to have been almost completely sidelined in favor of Christian nationalist culture war battles.
What a time it would of been to get into the White House before all the background checks to see if you qualify to tour it. Crazy to think you can get approved easier for a passport to travel out of America (Non Travel Visa Countries) than see our nations Capital. Times have really changed.
I would vote for adams
1829, meet 2021.
John quincy adams was so embarrassed by his defeat that he didn't show up for Andrew jackson's induction.
What if you win 0.00 percent of the popular vote but won more elector votes than any other presidential candidates.😀😀😀
Impossible.
Not possible but all hell will break lose if so
George Washington
damn people really made a "your mom" joke against andrew jackson?
I hate Andrew Jackson because John Quincy Adams had no chance of battling him
Wow the original jan 6th
you said it
There is a strong desire to compare this election to the present political situation, but it actually stands out more to me as being the 19th Century equivalent to the election of 1932. Like Herbert Hoover, John Quincy Adams was an erudite man with great worldly experience before entering office but one who had neither the political adroitness nor the grand persona that appealed to the masses. It's often missed that both believed in a fairly active government and were modernizers who embraced the latest in technological innovations in areas such as communication as well as transportation. However, each was widely perceived to be a defender of the reactionary old guard at the expense of the American people and lost by a landslide in their bid for re-election. Their opponents, Andrew Jackson and Franklin Roosevelt, both had the kind of forceful personality along with the ability to connect with voters that they lacked. Each claimed the mantle of the discontented common man against the elite special interests and championed cutting-edge democratic ideas which involved bolstering the power of the executive branch. Ultimately, both in the long run wound up radically transforming the political landscape and character of the country. Donald Trump, whom a lot of people are desperate to frame in a similar light, hasn't even really come close to doing that. The reason not the least of which being that despite his pretensions of giving a voice to the American people, he is far from garnering the clear majority of popular support among them that these other figures attained.
3:49 Damn look at some of the faithless to faithful eletors ratio on some states...
Common Jackson W 🇺🇸💪
So it's not an insurrection in 1828 but it is in 2021?
ikr
Jackson was one of the better presidents. I say that as 1/3 Cherokee. He was a man of his time and using modern standards to judge him is wrong.
Hitler and Stalin were also men of their time yet we hate them
The Indian Removal Act and the end of the Bank of the United States are inexcusable.
@@travishylton6976 the 1940s values were much more similar to modern values then 1820s values
Even by the standards of his time he was a cruel man
Does anyone know what song is used in the video?
President does 4 years so much
Calhoun was very petty. He turned of John Quincy Adams just to remain Vice President.
US Elections Episode 11: Jackson’s Revenge
Like father like son one term and he is done
I would have voted for Jackson.
How did 57.5% of the population voted if women and children couldn't vote????
Of eligible voters
...And take the country for HIMSELF, Jackson did. Oh, did he...
awesome hair 🤣
JQ Adams is the first incumbent who had been rejected based on _clear popular will_ - even as defined by the much narrower voting base (when John Adams lost in 1800 popular sentiment was basically unknown).
Potential preview of 2024 👀
TRUMP 2024
Eh,biden probably won't run.
@@PixelGunZodiac thanks 33
It's gonna be Harris vs Cruz
@@Gage_Brumley Nah, it's probably going to be pete vs cruz.
Ironic that Jackson is on the $20 note.
Karma
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂
Big Block of Cheese Day!
Adams looks like one of the innsmouth people
I would have been frightened by Jackson's mob. Ugh... Call me uptight, but I cringe at large, unruly, smelly crowds... ICK!!!! I guess they would have considered me to be elitist then... Oh well... I am just a dignified, classy lady...
How is it possible that "57.6% of the population" voted? Women and non-white men were still disenfranchised. If you ever redo these videos, or when you make your next one, you should change your language to "57.6% of eligible voters / ___% of the total population voted" and provide context. It's good that you did that in the early videos where you noted that less than 5% of the population were voting!
When I saw the Election, (1824) I knew I had a Great son, but this one After the Criticism " *I Had no Son* "
With Andrew Jackson as President of the United States, things in Washington are going to be different.
I see a lot of similarities between Jackson and Trump.
Leo Mount more like Bernie Sanders
@@empireepic92 Not even close. Jackson and Trump are socially conservative populists. Bernie is a progressive populist.
Both sides are able to see Jackson in their enemies because he solidified the push of the whole political landscape in a new direction both adhere to now. A populist democracy rather than an aristocratic Republic. In that sense the firebrand populists in both parties today owe something to Jacksonian Democracy. He may feel like Trump to many now for some legitimate reasons, but he was indeed also the closest thing you had to a Bernie at that time. Men like John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay certainly weren’t. It just goes to show that interpreting history is hardly as easy as just trying to fully project modern dynamics back onto it. Crazy as it might seem, during that period Trump and Sanders would probably have been viewed as roughly being on the same side of the political aisle.
Trump is more like Quincy Adams than Jackson. They both lost the popular vote and supported Tarrifs. To say Trump is Jackson is a misnomer.
@@johnweber4577 That's fair enough.
John Calhoun and I are closely related.
"Every state chose their electors through popular vote"
what if
Only took over 50 years to actually let the people elect the President, sorta
1828 Michigan is looking kinda funny
No wonder why Trump always identifies with Andrew Jackson. Just don't tell him about the Trail of Tears.
Jackson was Trump before Trump. Probably why I've always thought Jackson was terrible.
Jackson wasn't that bad but comparing Trump to Jackson is totally insane their only similarities are that they were both populist
@@basedgetass1610 I had to stop when you said "Jackson wasn't that bad . . . " The way he spoke to and interacted with people was no different than Trump. Both bullies, both racists, both childish in their social skills . . . . etc.
@@TonysMusic1974 trump is not racist nor childish minor insults are nothing compared to Jackson literally shooting people that offended him sounds like many democrats today tbh but when I said Jackson wasn't that bad I meant as a president he definitely wasn't the worst president contrary to popular belief
@@basedgetass1610 "minor insults . . . . " Sure . . . you're blocked. Enjoy crying in your MAGA hat on November 3rd!
@@TonysMusic1974 yes insults nothing more they don't hurt people like shooting people do send me video of you crying when trump wins lol
I searched for mr beast tho
Jackson shares a lot of similarities to Trump
Jackson is Trump's favorite president
@@MrHat. I thought Lincoln was trumps favourite
Yep, and just like Jackson got his revenge after being cheated in the previous election, so too will Trump have his revenge in 2024.
@@Danny-xm1pe if you think we cheated in 2020, what makes you think we won't in 2024? Trumpers and their logic, lol!
@@renegade9777 I'm hopeful about the efforts being taken since 2020 to make the election more secure and reverse some of the rule and procedure changes that happened across many states right before the 2020 election which made it easier to cheat.
After what happened in 2020, Republicans will also be closely watching like a hawk for any shenanigans, so it won't be as easy to get away with this time.
Are you a Democrat or a republican and are you biden 2020 or trump 2020
*Laughs in Independent* both candidates suck ass
A) Democrat
B) It doesn’t really matter. He’s teaching history which is a pretty objective subject
Mr beat really hates Andrew Jackson
1:29 Wide Arkansas
*thiccc
Adams
Is trump just Andrew Jackson reincarnated?
Yup. The only 2 populist presidents in american history
@@iyoutubeperson4336 What about grover Cleveland?
@@PixelGunZodiac i dont know much about cleveland
@@iyoutubeperson4336 He was sort of a populist,tho not on the level as Jackson or Trump was.
Pretty much yes, got the racism and everything. Both are heavily controversial but highly popular among their supporters.
Mr. Beat: you realize this is a constitutional republic, not a democracy?
Andrew Jackson was the first Bernie
Guille Medina except Bernie isn't a racist pig like Jackson was
Yep. Andrew Jackson, William Jennings Bryan and Bernie Sanders all line up each about a century apart as the insurgent populist outsider who shakes up the Democratic Party, or its predecessor, and whether aware of it or not restored it to its original Jeffersonian spirit of combating economic elites and the party establishment after they had slid into a position of becoming too cozy with each other. Such was the case with the eras of the National Republicans, Bourbon Democrats and New Democrats in each man’s time. As the saying goes, history doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.
Wise and Free Bernie is white...
@Wise and Free proof?
wow